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Ciaran
10-12-2004, 08:02 PM
Is there anything up there? a god of any kind? what do you think

Edited by Soyers (Forum Administrator): Thread closed, too much conflict. Please see the HabboxForum rule no.1.

lukeisok
10-12-2004, 08:06 PM
It Depends On Your Religeon, Sure they Might Be A God, and There Might Not.

I Myself Do Not Believe In God.

Vampire
10-12-2004, 08:10 PM
Personally I don't believe in God, the Bible has been proven wrong scientifically.

We all evolved from Bacteria, there's no such thing as "bacteria" in the Bible.

How can we all have evolved from Adam and Eve? How can the world have been created in seven days? It's not scientifically possible.

Mentor
10-12-2004, 08:33 PM
Im a striong athist, and dont belive in god. teh bible toura or what ever can all be proved wrong both sintifily and from the huge inaccrusys and flaws in them selves, wich exaples of can be quite intertaing.
I think realigon is just a form of control, to stop people making there own optiosn and forsing oen upon them, as orignaly religon was craets to 1. exsplan what then coulnt be explaned by scinace but now mostly can. and to enforese law and order. not having the phisical cabaibly to enforec rules, teh idea u will go to hell (suffer) when u die was intriodced as a insentive to follow the rules.

Ciaran
10-12-2004, 08:39 PM
I belive that religion is just a cover for our own mortallity... we haveto belive we are being helped some how or we would run havvoc (even more than normal) but i dont belive in god...

Vampire
10-12-2004, 08:39 PM
Im a striong athist, and dont belive in god. teh bible toura or what ever can all be proved wrong both sintifily and from the huge inaccrusys and flaws in them selves, wich exaples of can be quite intertaing.
I think realigon is just a form of control, to stop people making there own optiosn and forsing oen upon them, as orignaly religon was craets to 1. exsplan what then coulnt be explaned by scinace but now mostly can. and to enforese law and order. not having the phisical cabaibly to enforec rules, teh idea u will go to hell (suffer) when u die was intriodced as a insentive to follow the rules.

Are you on something? You can't even spell atheist right.

Atheism is a religion too, it's just a religion that doesn't believe in any other religions.

If you're calling yourself an atheist, you're labelling yourself too, and you're conforming to rules, unless you're not a proper atheist.

Mentor
10-12-2004, 08:45 PM
athiset means you have no belife in god. tahts is all it means, its a description of a stutus of belife, not a belife. i have no blife in god, nor religion. i do not belive in any higher power. wich mena sim an athiset? athism isnt a belife syetm, it is just a word saying there is no belife ina higher power and has no effectt on nay other aspects?

plus my spellings like this cuz im dislexic.

plus how do u deam somthing a religion, athiset means no belife in god, not to do with religion, buddism is supoly a religion, but it doenst acatly have a belife in a god or higher power.

Vampire
10-12-2004, 09:06 PM
When I have nothing to do, I do indepth research into random things, and athiesm is something that came up.

So what you are saying is that, if there is no God, there's no Religion? What about Paganism, that has no god, and Wicca, they are still very much religions.

Atheism is a religion, it's just a religion with no God.

Mentor
10-12-2004, 09:10 PM
to be a resligon it would have to have a set of rules, many athifes have radicly differnt veiws, so as a single resligion it coulnt be one. anyway if you check back the poll askes do you belive in god, not are you religios. i do not belive in god. or any religion or follwing above what is see as basic moral standed to be a religon it would reque people to have the same or simlar belifes, i prefer to make my own dersions on my own basis rather than follow like sheep. i tehrfor do not class my slef as religos. but i do clas my self as an athiset. aka person with no belife in god.

GommeInc
10-12-2004, 10:47 PM
For people who dont know, Athism is a Gommist Religion factor, you dont have to worship, prey anything, it is a completely friendly religion, it is very good for the lazy and is fun :D

Marvelo
11-12-2004, 05:31 AM
Well, you didnt really leave us much lean way on this. I dont exactly know if I believe in god or not. I believe in evolution not the whole Adam and Eve thing... So, I guess it reallt depends on what kind of mood Im in.

Ciaran
11-12-2004, 08:55 AM
Hmmz i think it would of been better for me to add more options for eg are you religious? or evolution?... i guess that religion mentor is talking about is like prdistant... its religion to not belive in god... i think

Spectate
11-12-2004, 09:49 AM
Hmm this is a tough one, there seems to be a religion for virtually anything that you believe so you always seem to be labelled something. I believe that most of todays bad problems such as terrorism would not be here if religion did not exist.

Mendonky
11-12-2004, 10:03 AM
all my life i have belived in god, but its now when my mind is developing a greater understanding of the world that i have started questioning my beleaf. if there are so many religions, some belive in 1 god, and some belive in many, if one is right, which one? have we all been following a path created by some madman in a cave? i still am unsure about where i stand on this subject...........

Ciaran
11-12-2004, 10:07 AM
Well think about it... if you lived in deep poverty and had no food or water... but you still had a hope that if you die you would be going to a better place... that would keep me going i know that... but i dont belive in god... but i can understand why belivers do what they do... its just a signal of hope...

Mendonky
11-12-2004, 10:14 AM
hope it may be, but it is false hope all the way. why would such a superior and kind being of power let such a thing happen in the first place? or is it that there is no one there at all to help us. this puzzels me, something definately debate worthy

Ciaran
11-12-2004, 10:21 AM
but some belive god planned a life for them since they were born so they hope for a better day... and false hope is what keeps people from keep trying and keep fighting... its a very powerfull thing...

Mendonky
11-12-2004, 10:23 AM
i dunt like the idea that i have no control over my life, why would he/she torture their "children" in such a way as depriving them of food ect?

Michael.
11-12-2004, 10:26 AM
Personally I don't believe in God, the Bible has been proven wrong scientifically.

We all evolved from Bacteria, there's no such thing as "bacteria" in the Bible.

How can we all have evolved from Adam and Eve? How can the world have been created in seven days? It's not scientifically possible.
Ok - As a strict Roman Catholic I know most of that.

The story of Adam and Eve in Genesis is SYMBOLISING the days of creation. Everyone knows that God did not make the Earth in 7 days. Evolution is the scientific reason for creation, but God could have created evolution.

Someone is up there. When we were on pilgrimage to Lourdes with our RE Teacher, her Rosary beads were plastic, but while she prayed and held them tight, they turned Gold.

Ciaran
11-12-2004, 10:27 AM
I dont know i think people belive that control is a bad thing and they feel insecure having no control over their lives. people who have problems and are "belivers" probably think they are paying for something they have done in a past life like the buddhists do... and doing one thing in a life is rewarded in the next...

Mendonky
11-12-2004, 10:35 AM
but buhdist dunt blive budda is a god, they belive him as a teacher. but heres my point, there are so many religions, they cannot all be right. jesus enforced many people's beleaf in one god, the almighty. judaism still belives in god, but not jesus (i think) hinduism belives in many gods that form one god, which is right? i am personally starting to beliv in this idea that religion was made up for control.

Ciaran
11-12-2004, 10:39 AM
lol well this debate wasnt ment to change anyone views of god but as you can see religion is a huge controller for millions of people world wide and if we didnt have religion we would have alot betters things and alot worse... think about it

Mendonky
11-12-2004, 10:44 AM
i am not dissagreeing with the idea of using a "religion" that wasnlt true as a form of control as bad (although in the middle ages the church took its power too far) but i am just saying that religios beleifs are not as strong as they were, and when you think about it deeply you see that it is all not true! well thats my oppinion at lest

Ciaran
11-12-2004, 10:53 AM
But if you think about the lives that were saved, and sacraficed for religion thats when you know that religion has been taken too far... since the early 1500's its been going to far.. but all im saying is that religion is what keeps people going and it gives them hope... evn if its false hope it still makes those people have a huge weight lifted from their sholders...

Mentor
11-12-2004, 10:53 AM
in times of strugle and hardship, relisgon always appears, say a war. many people wil becoem resligos, as as there are thinsg ahppeing to them that are out of control, they seek a higher power and to get help with there problems, im not saying this is a bad thing, as the belife may help them stay sain and survive, athogh i do not belive the higher powers is anything more than the human need to think tehy ahve some control over the world.
may otehr point is that religon is a form of control. tahst not a bad thing, its was tehre to stop epopel stailing going on kill sprees using hell and heven as instives to be good and not do horrible things. now days thogh this form of control is not needed the police force can inforese the laws without any need for a higher power.
plus i think having relsigon control over peoples life could be quite dnageros, as is all blind belife. it is teh fantical religos belifes of asma bin lardens followers that casued the 9 / 11 tradgedy. religon can be easly manipluted by anyone seeking power, wich i see as dangeros, it can also stop people form follwing logic and isnetd fllwing gut felling as teh belives it is theree god. wichnis why asma bin larden did what he did, to him he wpreobly thoght it was hsi gods will, asthogh billion of otehsr disagree it is his personly [persption of god that makes the differnce, not the majority one.

Michael.
11-12-2004, 11:12 AM
in times of strugle and hardship, relisgon always appears, say a war. many people wil becoem resligos, as as there are thinsg ahppeing to them that are out of control, they seek a higher power and to get help with there problems, im not saying this is a bad thing, as the belife may help them stay sain and survive, athogh i do not belive the higher powers is anything more than the human need to think tehy ahve some control over the world.
may otehr point is that religon is a form of control. tahst not a bad thing, its was tehre to stop epopel stailing going on kill sprees using hell and heven as instives to be good and not do horrible things. now days thogh this form of control is not needed the police force can inforese the laws without any need for a higher power.
plus i think having relsigon control over peoples life could be quite dnageros, as is all blind belife. it is teh fantical religos belifes of asma bin lardens followers that casued the 9 / 11 tradgedy. religon can be easly manipluted by anyone seeking power, wich i see as dangeros, it can also stop people form follwing logic and isnetd fllwing gut felling as teh belives it is theree god. wichnis why asma bin larden did what he did, to him he wpreobly thoght it was hsi gods will, asthogh billion of otehsr disagree it is his personly [persption of god that makes the differnce, not the majority one.
The Islam holy book has the first 5 books in the bible in it. Not once did it say, 'Retaliate against the west by planning terrorist attacks'.

Religion is an excuse.

If you don't believe in God, you'd be quite happy to work on Christmas Day. Since Christmas is so commercialised now, people don't realise the real reason of Christmas. All people see now is a fat guy delivering presents. How many of you go to mass?
Just remember, if you don't believe in God, you don't believe in Christmas.

Ciaran
11-12-2004, 11:27 AM
wow thats quite a interesting view of xmas but we all have our opinionts so its up to you lol....

Mentor
11-12-2004, 11:45 AM
im not sayisng its what teh resligon says, im syaing thats what he think his god has told him. there are fanitical interitons of every religon, not just muslin, ku klux clan are a fanitcla bunch of christacs who think teher god says this. the resliosn is an enforser or rules. but it can be easly perversed to justife and instruct many bad things to occur.

secondsly christmas i like becuse i get and giev stuf, its a famli occison, athogh i realy count cair less weter it happend on teh 25th december or on the 14 of august, the holdiay is in signifacnce as its one i enjoy, what evnst it coinsides with or its date dont realy have much importace to me.

i dont belive in chrismas of its reliogs sence, just as ist vaule as a holdiay in genral.

devildan1
11-12-2004, 11:46 AM
i dont believe

GommeInc
11-12-2004, 01:04 PM
Story of Adam and Steve is complete bog wash, Humans didnt start of like we look like now, we used to be hunch backed and apish.

Butcher11
11-12-2004, 01:38 PM
"If you don't believe in God, you don't believe in Christmas"

I disagree, I grew up a Catholic, got my sacraments, but I never honestly believed there was a God. Of course I celebrate Christmas, you have to if your of a Christian religion. Christmas is no longer a Christian holiday

Corey777
11-12-2004, 01:52 PM
"Christmas is no longer a Christian Holiday"

I can agree and disagree with that.

It is still celebrated as the birth of Jesus, but then again, as Woodeh. said, Christmas has been twisted by everyone. The whole idea of Santa Claus has moved the idea that Jesus was born out of the way.

I do believe in God, and yes, you DO have to be a Christian to truly believe the reason why the Christmas holiday was created. Sure, you can celebrate Christmas all you want without believing that Jesus was born, but you still don't truly believe in Christmas.

TheLostPara
11-12-2004, 01:55 PM
I personally do not beleive in god. As people are saying its not scientifically possible

GommeInc
11-12-2004, 02:44 PM
Neither do I but we all have to take the GCSE in my school.

Ciaran
11-12-2004, 02:59 PM
I belive that xmas has forfilled everything that religious people wanted it too.. people are always happy and chearfull and just a few weeks where everyone has hugh spirits... thats worth it

*.Glitter.Rip.*
11-12-2004, 03:05 PM
I believe there is a god but I also believe in my own religion Which I mix into.
Rencarnation
Not human
God could be life itself
God is time
A trick learnt by myself thinking of the subject which leaves you blank cant be discribed. Everything goes black for a min. Strange though I know how to do it but I cant explain how to. A bit like you faint but you cant hear or see anything for a short period of time. I found out in a lesson

Ciaran
11-12-2004, 03:17 PM
Hmmz thats a very original way of looking at things.... wow im impressed everyone has found a scence of maturity when speaking on this topic... myself id love to belive in reincarnation but the science stacks against all religious belifes, i dont know what to belive any more :(

*.Glitter.Rip.*
11-12-2004, 03:23 PM
Hmmz thats a very original way of looking at things.... wow im impressed everyone has found a scence of maturity when speaking on this topic... myself id love to belive in reincarnation but the science stacks against all religious belifes, i dont know what to belive any more :(
Science isnt always right. Science arnt accurate all the time. Science cant work everything out for example:-
How did the big bang happen?

Ciaran
11-12-2004, 03:37 PM
Fusion between 2 very active materials that met through time.. maybe no bigger than dust, but so active it blew an implosion and those materials no longer exist... if we are at the perfect place in the universe to live and get the right heat and cold... well if thats possible than anything is...

Mentor
11-12-2004, 04:43 PM
the big bang is a result of invinty, as with quanton mechnaics abosulty anything can happen, anything at all, its just unimagnibly unlikly, but when an infinate tiem period is introducsed, eventaly how ever unlikly somthing will occur.

Ciaran
11-12-2004, 04:51 PM
My point exactly... it would have been a huge amount of reasons... i very much doubt "god" just clicked his fingers and planets were there...

Mit
11-12-2004, 05:00 PM
i go to a catholic school and re is so rubbish. they think its the pope that saved poland from its depression. they say the guy that shot the Pope was a communist assasin and only went mad because of God. Well thats a laugh!

It was the polish people that freed themselves. And a hired assasin would not miss from a metre away. The assasin wasalready mad. that sows how they try to put wrong things in ur mind.

Mit
11-12-2004, 05:03 PM
one thing on the big bang. how did those two very active materials come about and the thing before that. catholics believe that god sarted the dominos faling. knock on affect kind f thing :) uget me??

Mentor
11-12-2004, 05:53 PM
well dost taht idea render god pointless, aka. if god can just apper for no relivent reson why cant the universe do the same, if the univer needed somthing to start it so did god, wich means thers ither no need for god, or god had nothing to do with it, both view therefor rule god out?

Ciaran
11-12-2004, 05:53 PM
lol some people even say god abandoned us because he saw what barbarians he created... well no lies there

Concentric
11-12-2004, 06:00 PM
well dost taht idea render god pointless, aka. if god can just apper for no relivent reson why cant the universe do the same, if the univer needed somthing to start it so did god, wich means thers ither no need for god, or god had nothing to do with it, both view therefor rule god out?
a very good point :rolleyes:

Ciaran
11-12-2004, 06:14 PM
well dost taht idea render god pointless, aka. if god can just apper for no relivent reson why cant the universe do the same, if the univer needed somthing to start it so did god, wich means thers ither no need for god, or god had nothing to do with it, both view therefor rule god out?
ooo i didnt look at it like that... but its a good point... i am fully none religious and people are proving myself right!! go us!!

Pulchritudinous
11-12-2004, 09:10 PM
I'm not religious, and I think the people that are have to hold on to every bit of faith they have, as scientific evidence is getting so much better, how can you believe in a man with special powers these days...

GommeInc
11-12-2004, 09:48 PM
God is used for comfort, understanding and guidance, I guess people who have nothing to help them need something like a God to 'guide' them and 'help' them

Ciaran
11-12-2004, 10:16 PM
I'm not religious, and I think the people that are have to hold on to every bit of faith they have, as scientific evidence is getting so much better, how can you believe in a man with special powers these days...
Now thats a good reply... and i think nomatter what people do... religious belifes will go on... no matter now stupid they sound it brings security to people and thats the best thing about being religious i think... but i ent hah... oh wait im missing out :( lol

miss-t
12-12-2004, 12:17 AM
i personaly dont belive in god but there is loads of things wrong in the bible e.g adam and eve were the first people on earth rite? well then they had two sons yeah..... then it says the two sons went off to find somone to have babies with.... get it theres no-one else on the earth!!!!( sorri for ppl who belive in god theres loads more) i think at first somone came up wid this sick joke telling ppl about god ( s/he made him up) then everyone belived him and has now become somthing serious just off a joke !!!

Ciaran
12-12-2004, 12:21 AM
i used to think some1 made up the bibble for a money making scheme

Mentor
12-12-2004, 12:49 PM
i often find it annoying when relkigos people dont accept thing that the bible thay apprent belive in clerly says becsue its negative, such as in teh adam and eve story, there childern were imbreds and more so that jesus was a basted, his perants werent marryed, so its the coreect termiolgy?

GommeInc
12-12-2004, 01:06 PM
I would like to know what God was doing before e created the Universe, did he go to College and then to Univercity to get a degree in Universe Making, he must of learned how to make a Universe before he tried to make it because there would of been no meaning to God.

Mit
14-12-2004, 08:33 PM
the day of reconing will come, you will be judged!

I believe in God because it give me hope and those who do not believe in God fear death as they ont know what will happen afterwards. Usually but thats not all the same.

Michael.
14-12-2004, 08:57 PM
That statement is very offensive towards me and my religion. I dunno how you can say that. Somat like 1,700 million Christians will NOT be happy with the statement you just made. That was like me calling someone a racist name cos of their religion. Making money outta religion is sick and twisted.

You don't have to believe in God, but that was very sick.

ash5768
14-12-2004, 09:03 PM
This was an idea for a story:
lor-god of love
hatrin-god of hate
wrol-god of war
pechin-god of peace
werkin-god of work
and larzin-god of non-work
also i decide that after death i will come back as another lifeform but as i am in this other lifeform it is possible that i wont remember my previous life. if i decide not to spend a lifetime in the afterplace (known as heaven) if u've been bad you spend a live time in the lower afterplace (hell). You can choose wether or not to spend a lifetime in the afterplace. It is my own personal beleif and anyone who dres insult it can go the the lower afterplace.

But there are people who believe in that kind oif thing making their own gods and stuff im not sure.

GommeInc
14-12-2004, 09:05 PM
Go Gommism!

Simonac55
14-12-2004, 09:13 PM
For myself, I do believe in God. I think that even if we don't see him, he's always there to help us. We don't think he helps us in a way but his process is slow and he sends spriritual help in all aspects of life, even through your friends that helps you.

Mentor
14-12-2004, 11:16 PM
the day of reconing will come, you will be judged!

I believe in God because it give me hope and those who do not believe in God fear death as they ont know what will happen afterwards. Usually but thats not all the same.
i could easly argue the opssit, religion such as cristanity makes peple fear death, as they may feel there sins may give them a place in there so called hell.

i have no belife in god and i realy have no fear in death. as death means an end to me wich means no re****, never haveing to worry about it or anything again isnty something i would fear.

ps. wich post was Woodeh talking about :/

Corey777
17-12-2004, 05:07 PM
Actually mentor, sins would not make christians afraid. Because if you knew more about the Christian religion youd know that God will forgive you not matter what ;).

Mentor
17-12-2004, 05:20 PM
so if god forgives no matter what why do you have a hell?

ps. god didnt semem that forgiveing in the old testimnet anyway, half of it is about him smiting inccent children, and killing people becuse they dised to worship a new god as they thogh mosis was dead after he wonded off in to the wildenss for a few weeks

Corey777
17-12-2004, 08:32 PM
God forgives anyone. Yes. For anything. IF they ASK for it. ;). In the old testament God was sending plagues to Egypt and killed many Egyptians. The reason for this is slavery. The Isrealites were slaves to the Egyptians and would not let them go. Until God killed Pharo's son. The they were freed.

Makes sense now doesnt it?

G-flow
17-12-2004, 08:34 PM
To me there is no god but how am i to be sure :S

Mentor
17-12-2004, 09:01 PM
God forgives anyone. Yes. For anything. IF they ASK for it. ;). In the old testament God was sending plagues to Egypt and killed many Egyptians. The reason for this is slavery. The Isrealites were slaves to the Egyptians and would not let them go. Until God killed Pharo's son. The they were freed.

Makes sense now doesnt it?
i thought god forgave evryone, plus the phros son was inasent, the phrao was guilt, so he killed the pharos son. taht seem logical.

2ndly, when moses went of to spek to god, and the jews thoght he was dead, they begin worshiping another god, much the same was as they did this one. when moses comes back, god makes his followes slaughter nerly half of them. wow that sounds forgiving. :rolleyes:

Corey777
17-12-2004, 09:05 PM
Errmm, I've never heard that story:p. You sure thats in the bible?

Mentor
17-12-2004, 09:08 PM
yup very shore. to lazy to get the proper quote but thats the jist of it

Corey777
17-12-2004, 09:09 PM
God makes his followerd slaughter the Egyptians?

Mentor
17-12-2004, 09:35 PM
ok i looked up the quote the story is.
"the golden calf party"
exidus chapter 32

its the one portryed incorectly by the movie "the 10 commanmnts"

ash5768
18-12-2004, 05:29 PM
Maybe, mentor, on that moses story you should try correct spelling so i can understand

GommeInc
18-12-2004, 07:30 PM
God = Comfort.

People believe in God for comfort when no one else can give it to them.

Corey777
19-12-2004, 03:47 AM
God = Comfort.

People believe in God for comfort when no one else can give it to them.


Your opinion only. If you follow a religion, you see and believe there is a God.
For example, (this may not be broadcasted in the UK, but it is Canada and the USA) when you see Benny Hinn on Television with THOUSANDS of people in the audience, you can see that God has given him a special gift. He uses powers through God to help the sick, let blind people see, and let the deaf hear.

You just have to experiment a bit and watch some shows like that, and it turns you all around on the subject of "God."

Homesrfan
19-12-2004, 06:38 AM
Yes, I belive in god.
But I don't believe that god forgives EVERYONE.
That is incorrect for the reason that ,as Mentor stated, there is a hell. You can't just go around killing people and then ask for forgiveness and suddenly get it. I believe that if you truly believe in god then, yes, you will be forgiven of sins, but not murder or anything of that sort.
I don't know, just my opinion.

Mentor
19-12-2004, 02:40 PM
more killing and wars have been in the name of god than anything else.
this is not becuse teh religion or its followes are bad. it becuse religion encoarges blind faith what i belive if one of teh most dangeros things possible, someone high up can say god said to do somthing, and the followers will blindly follow, without thinking for them sevels, even if what is said is oviosly untrue.
Its a proven fact, that many people do turn to god when they need comfort, if a war starts the amount of religios people goes right up. when people are happy i goes back down. its possibly human nature to need a high power, such as in the communist error, when religion was banned, lennin was seen as more like a god than a great preson from there prospctive.

Pulchritudinous
19-12-2004, 02:45 PM
I was just thinking, I'm not religious and I still seem to say 'I swear to god...' and 'God knows why' and all that even though I think God does not in a billion years exist.

GommeInc
19-12-2004, 08:40 PM
You just say that to give a comment really, 'God damn' etc.

Ciaran
20-12-2004, 10:53 AM
But... those kind of "sayings" can be really offencive to religious people so if you stood next to a preist and said "god damn" he would take alot more offence to that than someone you knew or a friend. Whats wrong with the world? lol its stupid how words can have more mental effect on one person to another... oh well i dont get it..

Michael.
20-12-2004, 12:17 PM
If you say "God Damn", it's Blasphemie, which basically means that you're using God's name as a swearword.
I've been brought up NOT to say "God Damn", or "Jesus Christ" when something goes wrong.
Most people say this as they need someone to blame something on. Like if you dropped your Mum's best vase, you want to blame it on God, but you should only have yourself to blame.

I'm a bit of a sceptic on the 10 commandments. One of them is "Thou shalt not kill". Think about this. Saddam Hussain was an evil dictaitor in Iraq. He has killed thousands upon thousands of people. Are we right to invade Iraq and kill people so we can bring Saddam to justice? That's a question off one of our RE assignments.

Btw Mentor you are very right about blind religion, but Jesus only told Christians to do good things, and even if there is no God, we should feel satisfied that we've tried our best in life and done good things for the community.

GommeInc
20-12-2004, 01:47 PM
Yes but, for people who don't believe in God can say these things as they are either making fun of people believing in God and using his name in vein or they know there is a god but don't believe cos they hate him and then say these thing.

Convictions
21-12-2004, 08:49 PM
Its 12 miles to Canaan from Jordan and it took moses and co 40 years to travel that far, and in a book it says thats .278 of a mile a year.

I sorta belive i sorta dont, i just think if someones there , its there , if it ainnt well it aint

Mentor
21-12-2004, 10:51 PM
Its 12 miles to Canaan from Jordan and it took moses and co 40 years to travel that far, and in a book it says thats .278 of a mile a year.

I sorta belive i sorta dont, i just think if someones there , its there , if it ainnt well it aint
there are alot of big flaws in the bible and somthings are complety rediculus some bist contrdict each otehr complty, aka god told david to count the fightinmg men of israil, while in anotehr testimnt saten did it. to my understning there on difrernt sides. thers quite a few thinsg like that where teh same action was good and god said t odo it, and then bad cuz saten said to do it, and its talkin gabout the same event.

ps. maybe they rolled there?

Ziabotsu
21-12-2004, 11:18 PM
I dont have a clue whether god is real or not.
So... I cannot answer that question. I am leaning forward to saying that I do not believe in god.

Concentric
21-12-2004, 11:26 PM
Your opinion only. If you follow a religion, you see and believe there is a God.
For example, (this may not be broadcasted in the UK, but it is Canada and the USA) when you see Benny Hinn on Television with THOUSANDS of people in the audience, you can see that God has given him a special gift. He uses powers through God to help the sick, let blind people see, and let the deaf hear.

You just have to experiment a bit and watch some shows like that, and it turns you all around on the subject of "God."
I have seen those shows when i visited America and they were very strange. I think you are being too drawn into the illusion and you must consider how plausable it actually is, for example it is far more likely that those people were payed to act like that than it is that a supernatural being that we know nothing about gave someone super powers of healing.

Corey777
22-12-2004, 02:35 AM
I have seen those shows when i visited America and they were very strange. I think you are being too drawn into the illusion and you must consider how plausable it actually is, for example it is far more likely that those people were payed to act like that than it is that a supernatural being that we know nothing about gave someone super powers of healing.

Somehow I doubt that, most of these shows take place in a place with over 50,000 seats. All of themm are filled. When you have a guy doing a show that travels worldwide and broadcasts these shows by doing at least 1-2 shows per day, somehow I do not see how you are going to find 50 people in that short of time to buy off being healed. I meen, come on, how often do you think 25 elderly people are going to lie to the world by being payed off to pretend that they are being healed?

Also, when they knock people over without touching them, I know for a fact that this is through some supernatural power, most likely God. I have been in a church where they do this and I have had it done to me. It is kind of a eupohoria, but better. Like on Christmas day how you feel, but even better.

Mentor
22-12-2004, 01:42 PM
most of them are fake, alot of the tevivised ones, u will notice alot of the people being healed wil be the ones heiled on the next show and the next, its a money making scam.
ive seen fotage where theve goen wrong and amblces had top take a few people a way after they got hurt during suppodly being healed, so im a BIG doubter in that.

Michael.
22-12-2004, 03:36 PM
Flaws in the Bible are by the people who wrote the books. There's a quote in the Bible somat like, "A Camel fit though the eye of the needle". I can't exactly remember what it was, but it was an error from it being wrote down. Just plain old Human error.

Concentric
22-12-2004, 04:54 PM
Somehow I doubt that, most of these shows take place in a place with over 50,000 seats. All of themm are filled. When you have a guy doing a show that travels worldwide and broadcasts these shows by doing at least 1-2 shows per day, somehow I do not see how you are going to find 50 people in that short of time to buy off being healed. I meen, come on, how often do you think 25 elderly people are going to lie to the world by being payed off to pretend that they are being healed?

Also, when they knock people over without touching them, I know for a fact that this is through some supernatural power, most likely God. I have been in a church where they do this and I have had it done to me. It is kind of a eupohoria, but better. Like on Christmas day how you feel, but even better.
I don't agree, i think it's far more likely that some people will be paid $50 or whatever to just cry a bit and say Oh i'm healed than it is that this person actually has powers. There must be loads of people out there who'd do things like that for a buck or two.
Having a large audience means nothing, it is just as likely to be a stunt with a large audience as it is on a personal basis. Just because someone is there and see's the person falling over or whatever doesn't mean that it must be real.

Mentor
22-12-2004, 05:27 PM
Flaws in the Bible are by the people who wrote the books. There's a quote in the Bible somat like, "A Camel fit though the eye of the needle". I can't exactly remember what it was, but it was an error from it being wrote down. Just plain old Human error.
actaly your exspample is a simple annolgy going back way berfor chritanity.

GommeInc
22-12-2004, 06:00 PM
Strange yet creepy, the bible is not about God, it is about people who associate with God and think they have been there.

Ciaran
25-12-2004, 04:55 PM
But its about his teaching and supposed to lead people into good, but it only made people obsessed and religion became out of controll and it has been for over 1000 years

GommeInc
29-12-2004, 07:37 PM
Yes but how did God give teaching when he is not a person, he is like smoke, you cant feel it or talk to it but you know jes there.
These people saying all these things about God aka Water into wine, is symbolic. And their sayins are not o God and then moses, how do they know it wasn't him writing these things?

Mentor
29-12-2004, 08:37 PM
Did anyone see that who wrote the bible program on chanle 4.?
it was very intertsing, showed teh real motove sfor the bibels writing and how it was formed, and also how the moden bible has no realition to the messgaes from the real one, showing teh new testiment was written to give power to the priest and clergy etc, not to actalky giev religios meaning.

Pulchritudinous
29-12-2004, 08:40 PM
I didn't, I can't stand documentarys, unless they are on celebritys, etc...
I think no matter how much it is proved to be untrue, people are still going to beleive.

JadeLestrange
29-12-2004, 09:20 PM
I dont do religion.I respect other people's views and beliefs but I dont believe in god or anything(ironic 'cause i live opposite a church lol) the only religious thing i believe in is reincarnation but im not gonna go into that subject much.The only thing is,if God created everything then God must have created Evil and temptation too.

Corey777
29-12-2004, 11:18 PM
Yes but how did God give teaching when he is not a person, he is like smoke, you cant feel it or talk to it but you know jes there.
These people saying all these things about God aka Water into wine, is symbolic. And their sayins are not o God and then moses, how do they know it wasn't him writing these things?


No, God is no person, but he has come to Earth in the form of one.

Jesus???

THe turning water into wine is actually not symbolic. This was done by Him.
The bible was written by people who have heard God.

Your example is Moses. The story about the Burning Bush??

God told Moses to lead the Israelites free from slavery from the Egyptians. He spoke to God many times. He turned water to blood, his staff into a snake, and made the dea rise.

These things were just written down by people.


I dont do religion.I respect other people's views and beliefs but I dont believe in god or anything(ironic 'cause i live opposite a church lol) the only religious thing i believe in is reincarnation but im not gonna go into that subject much.The only thing is,if God created everything then God must have created Evil and temptation too.

Actually, you are right and wrong in my opinion. God created everything yes.

Uhh, how do I put this....

Being "Intimat" is looked upon eas "evil" or wrong by God. But, God created Being "Intamit" to be done AFTER marriage.

The Devil twisted it and it became a regular thing which would be considered evil.

So, yes, God created everything, but most evil things have just been twisted.

Mentor
29-12-2004, 11:37 PM
No, God is no person, but he has come to Earth in the form of one.

Jesus???

THe turning water into wine is actually not symbolic. This was done by Him.
The bible was written by people who have heard God.

Your example is Moses. The story about the Burning Bush??

God told Moses to lead the Israelites free from slavery from the Egyptians. He spoke to God many times. He turned water to blood, his staff into a snake, and made the dea rise.

These things were just written down by people.



Actually, you are right and wrong in my opinion. God created everything yes.

Uhh, how do I put this....

Being "Intimat" is looked upon eas "evil" or wrong by God. But, God created Being "Intamit" to be done AFTER marriage.

The Devil twisted it and it became a regular thing which would be considered evil.

So, yes, God created everything, but most evil things have just been twisted.


Actalky before it was rewitten out of any resbke of what the orignal bibel was, it enocgre ***, and had no conspet of marrage, its aslo teh bibels rewiten version tahst encoges sexism, there were 3 tesmints by femaisl wich were excluded as they agev power to them, also in many cases 4 seprtat and complty differnt storys were meged in to one.
One part the remains the same is "go forth and multiply" it means intamet, and it means reproduction, and there no tbeing a conspet of marage, tahst want ven involved

Corey777
30-12-2004, 12:20 AM
Actalky before it was rewitten out of any resbke of what the orignal bibel was, it enocgre ***, and had no conspet of marrage, its aslo teh bibels rewiten version tahst encoges sexism, there were 3 tesmints by femaisl wich were excluded as they agev power to them, also in many cases 4 seprtat and complty differnt storys were meged in to one.
One part the remains the same is "go forth and multiply" it means intamet, and it means reproduction, and there no tbeing a conspet of marage, tahst want ven involved


This one sticks out like a sore thumb

God sends Moses the ten Commandments

Thou shalt not Commit adultery.

If you still do not know what the meens, then in modern terms: Do not multiply with someone before marriage.

Mentor
30-12-2004, 12:28 AM
Aductry is sleeping with someone when you are marryed, who is not your wife? anyway the origanl one didnt acatly have a 10 commandmnts?

Corey777
30-12-2004, 12:31 AM
Aductry is sleeping with someone when you are marryed, who is not your wife? anyway the origanl one didnt acatly have a 10 commandmnts?

Maybe so, but adultery is multiplying before marriage.

And I don't understand this "Original bible"

The bible has always been one way. Until it was twisted by Catholics, Judiaism (sp), and Jehovah's witnesses.

As it says in the book of Revolations:

And anyone who takes from the bible or adds to the bible, will suffer in the fiery pits of sulfur in hell.

Mentor
30-12-2004, 12:38 AM
im afriod you have the incorect idea of teh word meaning, as im to lazy toi explain see here http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=adultery

The orignal bible has been rewritten 3 times, and thats only the old testiment.
The currnat biblke is acatly teh 2nd rewrite, wich is why it comtains so many flaws.
The orgoianl bibel was writen by 4 seperat people (none of them mosis), eaxh with the own inptrtion. each had diffenrt idea,s in oen god can communtcate directy wit hpeople, anther he cannot, and must use a go bewtween (burning bush story) . the have difent elimnts and ofcus on diffent aspects.

No modern day relisgo nactaly follows the real bible (writeen in i think arobic)

Corey777
30-12-2004, 12:43 AM
im afriod you have the incorect idea of teh word meaning, as im to lazy toi explain see here http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=adultery

The orignal bible has been rewritten 3 times, and thats only the old testiment.
The currnat biblke is acatly teh 2nd rewrite, wich is why it comtains so many flaws.
The orgoianl bibel was writen by 4 seperat people (none of them mosis), eaxh with the own inptrtion. each had diffenrt idea,s in oen god can communtcate directy wit hpeople, anther he cannot, and must use a go bewtween (burning bush story) . the have difent elimnts and ofcus on diffent aspects.

No modern day relisgo nactaly follows the real bible (writeen in i think arobic)

Ahh, so I have the wrong interperation on one of the meenings, my mistake.

Actually the bible we read today still does not contain a writer Moses. Someone wrote about the subject.
I do not see how 4 people wrote MANY different bookes from Genises to Revolations.

And, if you dont mind me asking, how do you know what information was in the original bible or not. Do you perhaps own a copy?

Also, why was it rewritten so many times?

Mentor
30-12-2004, 12:52 AM
mainly i have to mush free time.
wich leads to watching far to many documnetrys, and resericng things for no logcal reason. plus laot of the bible reweite info comes from "who wrote the bible" wich added alot to it.
the orignal was writen to display religso veiws
the 2nd was wrietn to unte the reigos factions, and used as propagned, after tehy were inaved and lost ther land it was rewitne agn to exsplain this, by saying god had let it happen, as they must suffer and persiove to get in to hevern.

the new testiment was writen in note form, mainly in letters by 3 people none disples, and was about 40 years afetr jesus suposd death. the bist were then put togers by powerful men of god, who picked and chose what tehy wnated, they removed parts writen by woman as they did not liek teh idea of equlty, even thogh the woman was acatly one of teh real disples, apprntly, tehy also balnkedn teh anme by confuisng her with anotehr chariter, who was a protitute, it was thsiw rite who was cahneg to teh mary who first saw jesus when he left his toum afetr being dead.
it was edietd to giev them more power mainly. tehy al;so added the last part to the bible, forgot exsatly, but it bas;ly sums up o if anyoen amkes any more cahnegs tehy will suffer gods wrath

(the finaly rewrite (dead see scrolls) are not commonly used en thog hthey iron out many bugs in the old testimnt )

Corey777
30-12-2004, 01:07 AM
mainly i have to mush free time.
wich leads to watching far to many documnetrys, and resericng things for no logcal reason. plus laot of the bible reweite info comes from "who wrote the bible" wich added alot to it.
the orignal was writen to display religso veiws
the 2nd was wrietn to unte the reigos factions, and used as propagned, after tehy were inaved and lost ther land it was rewitne agn to exsplain this, by saying god had let it happen, as they must suffer and persiove to get in to hevern.

the new testiment was writen in note form, mainly in letters by 3 people none disples, and was about 40 years afetr jesus suposd death. the bist were then put togers by powerful men of god, who picked and chose what tehy wnated, they removed parts writen by woman as they did not liek teh idea of equlty, even thogh the woman was acatly one of teh real disples, apprntly, tehy also balnkedn teh anme by confuisng her with anotehr chariter, who was a protitute, it was thsiw rite who was cahneg to teh mary who first saw jesus when he left his toum afetr being dead.
it was edietd to giev them more power mainly. tehy al;so added the last part to the bible, forgot exsatly, but it bas;ly sums up o if anyoen amkes any more cahnegs tehy will suffer gods wrath

(the finaly rewrite (dead see scrolls) are not commonly used en thog hthey iron out many bugs in the old testimnt )

Very interesting,

Perhaps the rewrites werre containing information that was left out?

Also, if things were left out, why are they happening today?

Example: In Revalations, it states that near the end times of the world, major weather catastrophes will happen. Florida Floods, Tsunamis, earthquakes.

It also says that there will be a world leader. This leader wil give everyone mark on their forehead or hand. This will be used much liek a debit card. Anyone who does not recieve this mark will not be able to buy or sell.

Anyone who does recive the mark will not enter the kingdom of heaven. I believe this will happen, Very soon.

It seems as if things in the bible are comign true and there will be an end to things very shortly.

Mentor
30-12-2004, 01:32 AM
If the bible is making thats prediction acredtly, that threrfor denys the exisace of freewill. without freewill life is pointless, and with freewill i can say id rather die than not have it.
ANyway the bibles prediction is open.

I predict sometime in the near future it will rain.

And statsitly that will be right, as ist open, it has no pasifc dates, and sasy somthing thats bound to evntaly occur

Corey777
30-12-2004, 01:54 AM
No, freewill would exist. No matter what, people can choose. The bible in my opinion is just telling what mankind will choose and what will happen to the planet.

If you read the book of revalations it can be quite frightening.

But, as it also says, be not afraid if you are under the hand of God.

The bible does give some type of time. It says, "In the generation that Israel becomes a nation, I wikll come again." I believe Israel became a nation somewhere in the 50's,60's, or 70's, But I don't have an exact date,

Corey777
30-12-2004, 01:55 AM
Ahh, Sorry, ment to click edit,.

Please delete this post.

Mentor
30-12-2004, 01:58 AM
If a prdiction is amde about the future, it means there cant be freewill, becuse it says its going to happen, if there were freewill ther would be no gartenes if it knows what we will choose alredy then we dont have a choise.

Athogh if the world does end, i bet bush will be the cause of it. he fits in perfectly with most profiys of the end of the world.

Corey777
30-12-2004, 02:01 AM
I somewhat disagree with you.

We still have the right and freewill to change what the bible does say.

But, it is telling us that we won't.

We can change it, but in the end we will end up doing what the bible says.

So, there is freewill, but the bible tells us that we will choose to do what it says.

Mentor
30-12-2004, 02:03 AM
Then we dont have freewill, if we had freewill we would be abel to choose wether or not what the bible says comes true, if were going to choose a predired choise, thats means we dont have a chose, as were simply being told what to think, and taht we cant digree as we woulnt have free will in that senriao, without freewill life is meaingless.

Corey777
30-12-2004, 02:13 AM
Then we dont have freewill, if we had freewill we would be abel to choose wether or not what the bible says comes true, if were going to choose a predired choise, thats means we dont have a chose, as were simply being told what to think, and taht we cant digree as we woulnt have free will in that senriao, without freewill life is meaingless.


Yes, we do have freewill.
As I keep saying we CAN choose what will happen.
The bible is not telling us what to think. It is simply telling us what will eventually happen.

Example: Man believed Earth was flat. (ANOTHER flaw in science.)
The bible believed it was round.

Eventually Science came to agree with the bible.

Mentor
30-12-2004, 02:26 AM
Um youve got that mixed up?
the bible acatly says in it the world is flat, it in the cration story? man blive the bible until they dicoived new evidencem athogh att he time, many were put to deat becuse it cahnged teh churches athority and was deemed as vbalphmy.

If your givein the chose A or B
and your told your going to choose A.
If you had frechose you could choose B, but if you dont, and the predition is corect, your goijng to choose a, wich emans you woulnt have free will?

Corey777
30-12-2004, 02:33 AM
Im 99% sure that the bible says the world is round.

If you are given the choice a or b, there has to be logic behind the prediction or the chooser would pick the opposite, no?

So, the bible is pointing out what will seem better for man, will in the long run not be.

So, it is showing that there can be freewill, but God will know first.

The bible says that eventually gays will be accepted to marry in countries. Canada said that they would never. Well, what do you know? Canada and parts of the States accept Gay marriages now.

Mentor
30-12-2004, 02:39 AM
Actaly Bush diside to ilaglis is, setting teh su back a few more years.
Plus the modern day bibel actaly goes agsit gay marragem athogh if you took away to editing done by the clergy who put toegther the new testimnt it is acatly accped in the bible. Athogh stil due to how there broght up many people still tend to be wary of it, as in due to being broght up some peopel still belive in rast ideas, wich no days seem pretty stupid.
Plus the bible deffinatly says the world is flat?

Also with freewil i coudl just as easly choose B or A,, but if one is predcited ill pick, and if i will pick it, then i dont have a chose? thefore no free will

Corey777
30-12-2004, 02:45 AM
You do have a choice. Whatever one you want to pick, pick it. But, somebody already knows which you will pick based on advantages and disadvantages. Gay marriages are still legal in a few states. Rosie O'donell is married. :s How is gay marriages accepted in the bible? It clearly says tht a man is meant to be with a woman.

Mentor
30-12-2004, 02:53 AM
That was added in, as the poweful editors dint like it. same as tehy dint like the idea of feamisl supodly haveing the same power as them, so they cut out a few tesimnts. and also the same way, that teh bible (new testiments) tryed to get rid of chirches, saying that they were not the houe of god, and should not be gievn moeny, ther was a realy well wrinet passge about god shouse being vetry thing under every stone etc, yet i cant rmebr it. and also how any speare moeny should be gievn to those who need it etc. as well as teh idea,. priest etc shoulnt exist, as under god evryone is equal and no one shoudl be giev higher stast based on a fair guide etc.
It was cahneg hughly to fit what they want, mainly due to hueg coruption and the want for power

Corey777
30-12-2004, 02:56 AM
Youve confused me on this topic, Im questioning many whings now ;)

Mentor
02-01-2005, 07:16 PM
Mainly to bump this topic. im adding a replay again.

I perosnly dont belive in a creator, as scinace has alredy proven thats there is no need for a god, without a purpos, the univers doesnt complicte itslef thuther than it is.
A craetor, as decribed in teh christan bible also deniys teh conspet of free will wich si anotehr reason i choose to not bliev in god or gods.
Does anyoen else have any opions?

Mined
02-01-2005, 07:37 PM
There is no god

Mined
02-01-2005, 07:37 PM
But there must be someone just not God

Mined
02-01-2005, 07:37 PM
Or maybe there isn't but i feel that there is

Mentor
03-01-2005, 12:16 AM
But there must be someone just not God
God refers to any higher power, or supream beem, so if it were somone elese they would stil be classed as a god :rolleyes:

i personly dont belive in any god or craetor, thers no need for them to exsit.

GommeInc
03-01-2005, 04:22 PM
Say Jefferson or whoever is the 'God of Electricity' Einastein is the God of Physics etc.

Mentor
06-01-2005, 10:54 PM
If your use god, in its meaning, "creator" then you could be right, athogh instine dindt event physiscs he just craeted a genral theary of retaivity, the well known E=mc(how do u do a squared?)

Anyway, i bleive that as a alll powerful beaing is not actaly essentaly to our exitnace, that its proves in its non existace. Becuse without purpos and effect, is somthing real or not?

Concentric
06-01-2005, 11:08 PM
Say Jefferson or whoever is the 'God of Electricity' Einastein is the God of Physics etc.
On the subject of Jefferson did you know that Jefferson didn't actually write the declaration of independance, some other guy did but he was ill on the day so Jefferson presented it :rolleyes:

GommeInc
07-01-2005, 11:48 PM
I didnt know who was Jefferson lol, I took a while guess as most of these people were American.

Ciaran
08-01-2005, 06:51 PM
Some belive we have past lives and i belive i have had past lives and the only reason y is coz of hope, we humans cant accept that nothing happens after we die its not possible

ttranquility.
08-01-2005, 06:54 PM
I onlydo. when i am in a really depressed mood..
and im really mad. Then i will like curse at him. lol :8 :eusa_shif

Mentor
08-01-2005, 09:49 PM
Acceepting that when we die we end is quite an easy thing to aceppt. reincantion is not pluaable, as much as some may wnat it, becuse the popultion is growing, not reaming constant

GommeInc
08-01-2005, 11:29 PM
True, unless new souls are being made and old souls are being recycled.

iDave
08-01-2005, 11:40 PM
Possibly, but I feel that we won't get anywhere by assuming. We'll just have to wait and see.

la-ur-en
09-01-2005, 12:13 AM
I agree, i do believe in god, you always here of people when there about to die doing a prayer! Just because i do belive doesn't mean everyone else has to, we shouldn't be fighting over it goodness sake, its our own beliefs and opinions, if someone decides not to belive in god, thats fine with me, just aslong as they dont try and talk someone who does belive in god out of beliving in him, and vice versa!

Also Mentor you said 'Did anyone see that who wrote the bible program on chanle 4.?
it was very intertsing, showed teh real motove sfor the bibels writing and how it was formed, and also how the moden bible has no realition to the messgaes from the real one, showing teh new testiment was written to give power to the priest and clergy etc, not to actalky giev religios meaning.'

If you actually read the bible, it is peoples opinions and storys of god, god obviously didn't write it! It's the followers of the religion who wrote it!

Mentor
09-01-2005, 06:54 PM
Possibly, but I feel that we won't get anywhere by assuming. We'll just have to wait and see.
Thats a good outlook lol. But im planning on living for ever. So far so good.

Anyway. I dont belive in telling someone one point, and makeing them belive it, wich is kind of what the bible does in saying if you dont belive it you go to hell.

Unless you have seen/ looked at both sides an oppinon has little forse. I dont belive in god, im not telling people to stop beliveing on what they eblive, im telling them about what they ebliive, you would be suprised how many people who says they are strongly religios, have no idea what the thing acataly does say.

Ciaran
09-01-2005, 06:56 PM
Lol ok bit off topic but is anyone scared of dying? because all my family are and i never have been... :O maybe its a result of how we died in a past life?

Szam
09-01-2005, 07:12 PM
Theres gotta be summin when we go though...

Mentor
09-01-2005, 07:15 PM
I dont realy get any fear form death, i just think we end, full stop. i think thers a deabte on that subject burryed somewher alredy if your interested

Gamball
09-01-2005, 07:41 PM
Personally i don't believe there is a God. There is too many holes in the bible and things like. There is no way the billions of people that inhabit the earth came from 2 people. as a result of this i voted: NO

stanfordstud2
19-01-2005, 12:13 AM
no...i thought there was a god of baseball but then the sox won so..not nemore

BladeMaster75
19-01-2005, 12:18 AM
Its all about faith. If you dont belive in god, then thats ur religion. I personally do. Its just something you belive. But this is an odd question n e way - lol. :p

Ciaran
21-01-2005, 07:08 PM
Its about hope... hope is what drives people almost every religion belives we dont ust stop after we die most belive we carry on as souls and go to heaven,hell or become reborn as a person/animal.

Pulchritudinous
21-01-2005, 07:16 PM
I agree, i do believe in god, you always here of people when there about to die doing a prayer! Just because i do belive doesn't mean everyone else has to, we shouldn't be fighting over it goodness sake, its our own beliefs and opinions, if someone decides not to belive in god, thats fine with me, just aslong as they dont try and talk someone who does belive in god out of beliving in him, and vice versa!

Also Mentor you said 'Did anyone see that who wrote the bible program on chanle 4.?
it was very intertsing, showed teh real motove sfor the bibels writing and how it was formed, and also how the moden bible has no realition to the messgaes from the real one, showing teh new testiment was written to give power to the priest and clergy etc, not to actalky giev religios meaning.'

If you actually read the bible, it is peoples opinions and storys of god, god obviously didn't write it! It's the followers of the religion who wrote it!

You're the one turning it into an argument.

I don't believe in god myself, but I think I'd respect people who do, because it is quite understandable.

Ciaran
21-01-2005, 07:33 PM
its understandable but its not reasonable because it has been proven untrue so many times and in so many ways i just cant belive in it.
Remember say what you think not what you think you should... lauren its perfectly understandable but if people cant agree with you then just go along with it.. its only opinions afterall

Pulchritudinous
21-01-2005, 07:55 PM
Yeah I'm sorry but she really annoys me, she sounds really bossy in her posts n stuff...
Anyway back on track, my RE teacher, who is a preist herself, said that she beleives in science and God, she doesn't believe in Adam & Eve, and she says she is asked alot if science ever interferes with her job, but she says no, and that nothing will stop her from believing.
I also think if you come from an orthadox family, you have to believe.

Ciaran
21-01-2005, 08:13 PM
Othadox? wow sounds strange im quite stupid so could you explain?

Motorollo
22-01-2005, 12:47 AM
i personally believe in god :)

Ciaran
22-01-2005, 07:44 PM
do you also belive you can fly?...
jks :D

Ok seriously why do you belive in god? what is your reasoning against all the scientific proof?

Corey777
22-01-2005, 09:19 PM
do you also belive you can fly?...
jks :D

Ok seriously why do you belive in god? what is your reasoning against all the scientific proof?
Something that backs up the proof of God is how a lot of things in the bible are coming true. Miracles are happening. If you read the book of revalations in the bible, you get a much better understanding on the whole concept.

Ciaran
22-01-2005, 09:28 PM
But all these "miracles" dont stop war and death.
And there dont seem to be enough miracles happening at the moment what about the tsunami disaster? what kinda miracle was that?

dont mean to be rude im just curious no offence ment here :) just debating

Corey777
22-01-2005, 10:17 PM
But all these "miracles" dont stop war and death.
And there dont seem to be enough miracles happening at the moment what about the tsunami disaster? what kinda miracle was that?

dont mean to be rude im just curious no offence ment here :) just debating
The tsunami incident was predicted in the bible. Somewhwere in revalations it says that there will be drastic weather conditions near the end times. So, the tsunami incident is just playing its role in what lies in the future. And could the tsunami not be punishment to those people? I doubt many people are Christian there (could be wrong). Perhaps they could be obeying false gods?

Jacko2kn3
22-01-2005, 10:34 PM
My old RE teacher told us that god talked to her. Then she was very shocked and hurt when 75% of people voted 'Don't believe in God' in an anonymus(sp?) vote.

I don't know what to think.

Ciaran
23-01-2005, 12:18 PM
The tsunami incident was predicted in the bible. Somewhwere in revalations it says that there will be drastic weather conditions near the end times. So, the tsunami incident is just playing its role in what lies in the future. And could the tsunami not be punishment to those people? I doubt many people are Christian there (could be wrong). Perhaps they could be obeying false gods?
Just in curiousity does that mean none christians are punished and killed even though they are innocent and it is only they dont belive in that type of god?

Pulchritudinous
23-01-2005, 03:30 PM
The tsunami incident was predicted in the bible. Somewhwere in revalations it says that there will be drastic weather conditions near the end times. So, the tsunami incident is just playing its role in what lies in the future. And could the tsunami not be punishment to those people? I doubt many people are Christian there (could be wrong). Perhaps they could be obeying false gods?

I'm not religious here, but if I were, I would say that God did this, as a way of bringing the people together, and helping us to be less selfish, and think of the suffering.

Ciaran, do you mean you don't know what orthadox means?
If so, it just means you are strictly religious.

Corey777
23-01-2005, 07:38 PM
Just in curiousity does that mean none christians are punished and killed even though they are innocent and it is only they dont belive in that type of god?
God isn't about to punish every single person who doesn't believe in him. The countries that were hit, if I am correct go by the Muslim religion. To the Christian religion, this would mean: use of false gods and a sin of changing the bible. The Muslim bible Actually has some of the Christian bible in it. These countries may also be heavily into witchcraft. If these are true, that is why God is punishing them. The countries that have fallen far from Him, God is just giving them uhh.. a wake up call?


I'm not religious here, but if I were, I would say that God did this, as a way of bringing the people together, and helping us to be less selfish, and think of the suffering.

You make a very good point here. God could be trying to make a point to the southeast Asians, but also us people in Developed countries to tell us that people in the world are suffering and need help.

Ryan
23-01-2005, 07:41 PM
i hope there is summit up there i want sum 1 to talk to when i venture into the big blue yonder

Ciaran
24-01-2005, 05:29 PM
You say that in the bible it says that this would of happened but science also said this would happen and could happen tomorrow or next year, in my personal view i think that everything in the bible has been said by science or proven wrong by science it just seems to proove the bible wrong if you know what i mean...

Pulchritudinous
24-01-2005, 06:06 PM
You say that in the bible it says that this would of happened but science also said this would happen and could happen tomorrow or next year, in my personal view i think that everything in the bible has been said by science or proven wrong by science it just seems to proove the bible wrong if you know what i mean...

Of course it does, and it will keep doing so.
A long time ago, religion gave us answers to the questions which couldn't be answered, like a way of reassurance, but now we know the answers scientifically, but religion still lives on, and I think it always will.

Ciaran
24-01-2005, 06:21 PM
So people are still religious? is that hope covering peoples eyes and making the in denile? too much hope not enough reality. :(
My opinion anyway

Corey777
24-01-2005, 08:33 PM
You say that in the bible it says that this would of happened but science also said this would happen and could happen tomorrow or next year, in my personal view i think that everything in the bible has been said by science or proven wrong by science it just seems to proove the bible wrong if you know what i mean...
Uhh , Reality check. The bible was written thousands of years ago! Science never said that this would happen until a few years ago... So I don't see how the bible steals from science!

Mizki
25-01-2005, 02:26 PM
I HOPE there is.

?Linda
25-01-2005, 02:34 PM
I think there is a god, because.. We have ups and down, I believe in god ;p well sometimes not. if its going really bad..

Certificate
25-01-2005, 03:34 PM
I Do not Belive in God But is there any prove that the Bible is correct that there is a God?

do't think so;]


also if there was a God then im sure he iwll be creating other life forms?
and if there is we should of picked em by now by those planets we visted:D

Pulchritudinous
25-01-2005, 04:42 PM
I watched a video of how the world was created scientifically, and you could understand it so well.
And then when we came back to the religious version, I had to laugh that people would think a man just zapped in animals, dry land etc..
It's totally put me off religion, and I honestly can't understand why people are religious.

Ciaran
25-01-2005, 08:13 PM
Uhh , Reality check. The bible was written thousands of years ago! Science never said that this would happen until a few years ago... So I don't see how the bible steals from science!
I really dont want to sound nasty or to offend you in any way just so you know so please dont take it wrong :)

I Think religion can be bad in some situations and good in others but all im saying is that you can honestly belive that 1 man just zapped objects onto the ground even thought humans cant even come close to doing that, is there any strong evidence that god is real that overpowers science. in every known aspect of religion it has been said by science and done by science also... i mean id love to have a hope like that but it just isnt easy when there is so much against it

MissAlice
26-01-2005, 04:48 PM
I dont really know if this thread should be open, some people may be offended by the posts in here.
Anyway, I believe there is something out there, god is just another name for it.


I believe the fact that many have posted on this very subject, is every reason for this thread to remain open. Everyone is entitled to question what we are taught to believe.

Pulchritudinous
26-01-2005, 09:06 PM
Yeah.
I sort of believe science and stuff more than religion, its much more logical.
I think 400 or so years ago, of course I'd believe in God, because I would of had no answers, but now I have answers, and don't need that reassurance from religion.

Ciaran
26-01-2005, 09:17 PM
I dont really know if this thread should be open, some people may be offended by the posts in here.
Anyway, I believe there is something out there, god is just another name for it.
Its called debate it isnt ment to offend anyone its just so i could get a better understanding of other peoples religion and ask a few questions im happy its so popular to be honest

8Marcus8
26-01-2005, 09:20 PM
i reckon there is a heaven too not to sound corny or anything. But think about it. Where does that energy from inside yourself go? You can't just destroy thoughts and feelings. I would even be happy if i became a tree :p

Ciaran
27-01-2005, 05:49 PM
Some people belive that there is a heaven but not a god, its like taking a part of a religion and only beliving that part if you know what i mean
You dont haveto be religious to belive everything in the bible but why do people belive in god if its just peices of other religions? :$

Jim Rotates
30-01-2005, 06:41 PM
I'm a strong Roman Catholic, I believe in God, I'm just brought up that way

E
30-01-2005, 08:40 PM
I Belive in god BUT He didnt make earth a space cloud did.

Ciaran
30-01-2005, 09:04 PM
I belive there was a universe before ours and 2 very explosive materials fused and caused an implosion and reversed the universe destroying everything in the process and only leaving huge rocks (planets)

And science says things along these lines but there is no strong evidence but there is more evidence than religion can use.

Concentric
30-01-2005, 09:49 PM
Maybe our solar system is just an atom in a greater world :rolleyes: We don't have much proof as of yet to come to any real conclusion.

Ciaran
30-01-2005, 10:00 PM
lol concentric sometimes when im on ma own i think we might be a small part of an atom in a species or material :P hmmz

Jacko2kn3
30-01-2005, 10:01 PM
Do you mean that we could be a world created by someone else in their world, who could be a world created by someone else in their world?
So
We are:
A world created by someone in their world, which is a world created by someone in their world.

Man this is confusing.

Concentric
30-01-2005, 10:31 PM
If you think of an atom with the nucleus and electrons and things, what's to say thats not a little universe of its own, with the sun at the centre and the planets in orbit around it :rolleyes:

Ciaran
31-01-2005, 05:33 PM
Ok ok back to the god subject

I saw this thing in Rs today and it explains about buddah's and it seems there isnt a god in buddah's religion they just look for peace of mind and reincarnation, anyone know anymore about it?

Mentor
31-01-2005, 06:23 PM
Yea buddas worshiped and prased as a great person, rather than a god, i watched a documntry on it a while ago, Out of all the religiosn ive looked at it seems to be pone of the best as its very practcal and has no stupily harsh rules.

Ciaran
01-02-2005, 07:29 PM
Yeh i thought that too i was thinking i belive alot of the buddah's teaching like reincarnation even tho im not religious.. if i hadto chose a religion that would be it.

Mentor
01-02-2005, 10:21 PM
I dont realy have any belife in reincarnition, as the princible is flawed. But the genral idea of inner happyness and enligtenmnt are a big plus, and also the fact that it teaches acceptnce of other religons unlike some burn the heritic ones.

Ciaran
02-02-2005, 04:49 PM
I would like to belive in reincaration but its hard because its been proved wrong...
I would hate to just die and then stop there

Mentor
02-02-2005, 07:11 PM
If you just eneded you woulnt cair. Plus reincarnition would acatly be any differnct, since as you came with NO knolage of the fomer life, it would be like the old one did just end, if u get me?

Ciaran
02-02-2005, 08:44 PM
Ye i understand but buddhists say that we have an energy that is passed on from one life to the next and even though we dont realize it, it effects what we do in life

Mentor
03-02-2005, 06:40 PM
i tjnk they call it kalma or somthing :/ humm or that may be somthing else, i dont realy know teh details of the religon just a few of the ideas and roghly what it is :/.
Athogh it is quite an intersting one

2hd.
03-02-2005, 06:51 PM
do atheitst do xmas?

Concentric
03-02-2005, 07:22 PM
do atheitst do xmas?
Of course we do, it's more like a national celebration now'adays I would say :rolleyes:

Ciaran
03-02-2005, 07:24 PM
Of course we do, it's more like a national celebration now'adays I would say :rolleyes:
Really? could you tell me some more i dont know anything about it :P

Pulchritudinous
04-02-2005, 10:08 AM
Ok ok back to the god subject

I saw this thing in Rs today and it explains about buddah's and it seems there isnt a god in buddah's religion they just look for peace of mind and reincarnation, anyone know anymore about it?

Yes, I sound a bit gay, but if I had be be of any religion I'd be that one, as it's a way of life, there is no mention of there not being a God in this religion, nor is there a mention of there being one.

Mentor
05-02-2005, 12:29 AM
do atheitst do xmas?

It was a celibration around that time even before there was a chritsmas so ill just celibrat that.

plus as an excuse we created the gomme religion (an athist religion) wich main focus is celibrating every known religos holiday :D , or at least all teh interesting ones.

Ciaran
05-02-2005, 07:34 PM
wiked.. if you ahd a choice would you still be in that religion even if you didnt haveto be religious atall?

gregzilla
05-02-2005, 07:52 PM
Story of Adam and Steve is complete bog wash, Humans didnt start of like we look like now, we used to be hunch backed and apish.
its adam and eve by the way, and many scientists beleive that at on point in our evolution we were apes, they think that we started off as bacteria.
personally i think there is no god, its just a lie from some people so that your life is controlled.

Jasmin
05-02-2005, 08:02 PM
I dont Know The Bible Has No Proof, and Yet we have no proof if we r wrong.
I Personally Dont know who and what to belive
I do Not Belive Noahs ark.
My Science Lesson Said there was a great flood, but in Year 1100 Which Can Not Be Right Because the Normans were Invading Britian at that time.

gregzilla
05-02-2005, 08:06 PM
some people beleive that noahs ark is true, because on a very high mountain in turkey some where they found an almost perfect condition boat i think.
i don't beleive that it was noahs ark, because it could be anyones boat from who came from the period between after the flood and before this boat was discovered

Ciaran
05-02-2005, 08:07 PM
Has anyone hear of the devinchi code? what is it? any explanations would be nice

Mentor
05-02-2005, 10:04 PM
Devinchi code is a Fictonal book written based on a bit of real evidnce. Becuse mainly as when teh bible was new alot of its was supposedly destroyed, becuse of beg headed monks wanting power. Then they dug up a bit of it dead sea scrolls i think, and it basicly shows one of jesus deiples was a woman, even thogh the church had blankedn the name, as tehy didnt wnat women having high places in the church.
its based on this, but then goies further, even thogh its specaultion, and is a littel unrelistc during the whole bloodliens bit is a mistrantion by a single monk.

.
Actaly there quite alot of proof the bible isnt correct, unless you stil blive the erath is flat and teh skys a dome of water. Its more the ideas thats stil carry on today.

Masterman12
11-02-2005, 05:16 PM
I am a Christian and I believe in God. The Bible is coorect because:
1. Scientific findings are pointing to some "God" or something had to create the earth.
2. There has never been an animal or human skeleton found in the evolution stage. Dont you think something would die while it was evovolving?
3. Even just the human eye is so complex it would be impossible to have just "appeared" through evolution or the Big Bang.

Those are my opinions on why the bible is true and there is a God.

Mentor
11-02-2005, 05:26 PM
I am a Christian and I believe in God. The Bible is coorect because:
1. Scientific findings are pointing to some "God" or something had to create the earth.
2. There has never been an animal or human skeleton found in the evolution stage. Dont you think something would die while it was evovolving?
3. Even just the human eye is so complex it would be impossible to have just "appeared" through evolution or the Big Bang.

Those are my opinions on why the bible is true and there is a God.

1. more sentif findinsg point to m theary and quantorm mechanics 3 sinces that if the bible was correct coulnt exists.
Athogh it is a point very few cristnas are nieave enothe to take the bible litraly, and learn form its messages, and poits it makes. rather then belive the world is flast and the skys a dome of water.

2. update your slef, there are many spcimenst on human, ostril ophicus was a stage, and thers been millions of stages between them, most scelitons dont survive that long thats why thers only a few.
Eveiltion is a slow prosses it doenst happen in froint of your eyes, thousnads of dgenrtaions are needed.

4. Evere hearded of the game "LIFE" its shpows how 3 very simple rules allow that with enogh parts, suprieng levels of complexit can form.
With the many highly complex lawas goivening us, life is rether then be unlikly and rair is shown to be quite likly and happen inevitble given both enogh time and space.

Jane
12-02-2005, 03:53 PM
I don't really believe in " God " I mean, the earth was probably created when meteors in space collided or something. Also, I was watching a T.V programme which says the original copy of the Bible was never found, therefore some one could have just made up a load of fake stuff? Also, the Adam and Eve story...Why would God have put the tree there if he didn't want them to eat from it and also ( quote from Ricky Gervais " Animals " without the swearing ;) ) God is supposed to be " all-seeing " so where was he when the snake was telling Eve to eat the fruit from the tree...infact why even put the snake there if he was just gonna cause trouble ? ;)

Ciaran
13-02-2005, 10:50 AM
I cant understand why people cant understand that god is just a form of hope, is it that people are blinded by their belives? it just sounds so insane... no offence of course but it is just so insane if you actually listen to what your saying... that a god who has extreme powers made us.

Luayminator
13-02-2005, 11:14 AM
Yes there is a god ! . How was the world created, how were adam and eve created, And if u think science proved it wrong , Well then if there is a god he is definatly was smarter than scientists.

Mentor
13-02-2005, 01:06 PM
Yes there is a god ! . How was the world created, how were adam and eve created, And if u think science proved it wrong , Well then if there is a god he is definatly was smarter than scientists.
If you realy wnat me to explain m theary (a form string thery) the big bang, etc etc etc.

Plus as shown by the simulted game "life" complexity evilves supringly easy.

ps, the adama and eve stroey is pretty sick, for very ovios reasons, athogh people are lightly to get offened if i point them out.

partie2
13-02-2005, 01:15 PM
Well i personally beleive there is a good but i think that people should beleive what they wont to beleive in. :D

Ciaran
13-02-2005, 09:09 PM
Well i personally beleive there is a good but i think that people should beleive what they wont to beleive in. :D
Even if it drives people to dedicate there lives to something that might not even be true?

Jesus-Egg
13-02-2005, 09:35 PM
I don't belive in god. Religion was just a way to explain what people didn't understand about the universe many many years ago. For example, they didn't know the universe was created in the big bang, so as a way to explain how it was created, they said that 'god' made it in a week.

Also, I have a few questions:
If there is a 'god', where is heaven?
How can you take the bible seriously when half of it contradicts itself?
Why the hell would 'god' want to create a life form with the ability to destroy all of his universe?

Ciaran
14-02-2005, 10:00 AM
I don't belive in god. Religion was just a way to explain what people didn't understand about the universe many many years ago. For example, they didn't know the universe was created in the big bang, so as a way to explain how it was created, they said that 'god' made it in a week.

Also, I have a few questions:
If there is a 'god', where is heaven?
How can you take the bible seriously when half of it contradicts itself?
Why the hell would 'god' want to create a life form with the ability to destroy all of his universe?
**claps** a very good point, he's right if you think about it the bible was created when no1 had an explanation for life, but now we do

Moose
14-02-2005, 10:03 AM
i see clouds up there.

Ciaran
14-02-2005, 10:06 AM
Hah i dont its clear skies and sun all around over here... :D
back to topic

Pulchritudinous
14-02-2005, 10:36 AM
If heaven is...up there...

Then, astronauts would have seen it, have they? NOOOOOOOO...

Luayminator
14-02-2005, 10:40 AM
Maybe God made heaven far far away , astronauts cant reach pluto .. but its still there :rolleyes:

Pulchritudinous
14-02-2005, 10:43 AM
Yeah you could look at it like that, but many refer to it being, 'in the sky'.
What I don't understand is why heaven isn't one of the creation's within the 7 days.

Ciaran
14-02-2005, 11:33 AM
If heaven is...up there...

Then, astronauts would have seen it, have they? NOOOOOOOO...
lol :P
If heaven is far away why did "god" make only earth have lifeforms?

Mentor
14-02-2005, 01:56 PM
Thers no reason for a god, and no proof to anything of its exsiatnce appart from a few old books saying the worlds flat.

Astranouts cant reach pluto, but satilighst can and have gone thuther.

People ask what caused teh big bang, and often say god was needed to make it happen, but if god didnt need a cuase why would the univerce.

The acatlal bible was an attempt to explain how everything came to be. But then was just taken and used as propergander to give people power, thats why its contrdicts itslef so much.

Pulchritudinous
14-02-2005, 02:06 PM
Thers no reason for a god, and no proof to anything of its exsiatnce appart from a few old books saying the worlds flat.

Astranouts cant reach pluto, but satilighst can and have gone thuther.

People ask what caused teh big bang, and often say god was needed to make it happen, but if god didnt need a cuase why would the univerce.

The acatlal bible was an attempt to explain how everything came to be. But then was just taken and used as propergander to give people power, thats why its contrdicts itslef so much.

I agree, but even some scientists are religious.
At first I thought how an earth can they believe in God, but some believe in both, one man said he believes that the 'soul' was given to humans by God, and everything else was created by the big bang.
But I don't believe that people have a soul, I don't think we are any more special than animals, like the bible says.
And I think the bible was just made to explain to everyone, before we had hardly any science, how the world was created, therefore I think, God did not create us, we created him, and now we have science to explain everything, no-one needs him as reassurance.

Mentor
14-02-2005, 02:42 PM
I agree, but even some scientists are religious.
At first I thought how an earth can they believe in God, but some believe in both, one man said he believes that the 'soul' was given to humans by God, and everything else was created by the big bang.
But I don't believe that people have a soul, I don't think we are any more special than animals, like the bible says.
And I think the bible was just made to explain to everyone, before we had hardly any science, how the world was created, therefore I think, God did not create us, we created him, and now we have science to explain everything, no-one needs him as reassurance.

I agree with most of that, i do not belive in the sole but we are most specal than animals, becuse we have come thuther, well at least part of us has, are brain is hugly more evolved than that of any other animal on the planet, and have given rise to coniosness, being aware of our own existnmaces and the abilty to ponder it, the level of compomplexity is immence, but in the terms of the universe, this is nothing, we are beoned the animals, but i do not belive humans at least not the way we are going will have any specal signifcances, i belive we will die out just like any other creature.
We polute, ozones destyroed, we and every other animal dies of, if not form the sun becuse of no food, plants thrive, more oxigen, forms new ozone new animals live, and it all starts over again. until finaly easth is asorbed by the sun.

Pulchritudinous
14-02-2005, 04:27 PM
I agree with most of that, i do not belive in the sole but we are most specal than animals, becuse we have come thuther, well at least part of us has, are brain is hugly more evolved than that of any other animal on the planet, and have given rise to coniosness, being aware of our own existnmaces and the abilty to ponder it, the level of compomplexity is immence, but in the terms of the universe, this is nothing, we are beoned the animals, but i do not belive humans at least not the way we are going will have any specal signifcances, i belive we will die out just like any other creature.
We polute, ozones destyroed, we and every other animal dies of, if not form the sun becuse of no food, plants thrive, more oxigen, forms new ozone new animals live, and it all starts over again. until finaly easth is asorbed by the sun.

Yes we are special in that way, because we have the ability to do so much more than animals, but I don't think we are so special, that we are given an afterlife and animals are not.
Unless you believe in 'Pet heaven'.

Ciaran
14-02-2005, 06:41 PM
I agree with the top post by mentor, if the bible said we were all floating around on flying sticks 100 million years ago would that be what we belive today?

Mentor
14-02-2005, 07:47 PM
Yes we are special in that way, because we have the ability to do so much more than animals, but I don't think we are so special, that we are given an afterlife and animals are not.
Unless you believe in 'Pet heaven'.
I belive when you die you die. The after life ideas and reincarntion are ulitmetly pointless.
We are a davaced lifeform but we are not the pincle of eveoltion or even near it. Coniuness is what sets us appart, but its lighlty there are levels of understanding many times beoned that and so thorth.

But humans are just an animal, we will die out,, like any other, the only diffrnce is we will care that we did, or will while no other creatue allive at the monet on our insignifacnt planet, orbiting a standard start, in a normal spriral galexy in the middle of no where, will.

Ciaran
14-02-2005, 07:50 PM
Even if there is reincarnation it still means we are going to whitness the end of the world.

Mentor
14-02-2005, 08:18 PM
Even if there is reincarnation it still means we are going to whitness the end of the world.
Reincarnition is flawed by 2 things.
1. the popultion is incerasing, so they cant just be people living over again.
2. if you have no memory of your previos life, and nothing about you is the same, theres no diffrence from being dead and the next one being a comaplty new person altrgether.

Janumz
14-02-2005, 09:35 PM
Also, if you get reincarnated.. and then die again.. get reincarnated.. die again.. etc.. The will had to end one day
And if you got to heaven/hell.. you cant just stay there forever. You've gotta come outa that place someday or another.

Ciaran
15-02-2005, 12:53 PM
So back to what i was saying before, do you think if the bible said we were all jumping a flying around 100 million years ago is that what people would belive today? it sounds just as stupid

Pulchritudinous
15-02-2005, 01:03 PM
Well, they didn't think that, so you can't say whether they would believe that or not Ciaran.
And Mentor, I totally agree that when we die, we die.
I'd also like to believe that, I don't want to live forever.

Ciaran
15-02-2005, 06:43 PM
Yeh thats why people are scared of dying, because it is the end but oh well make the most of it then try to be more active anyway.

Some belive it isnt the end and we would all love to know that but is there any evidance showing otherwise?

*.Glitter.Rip.*
05-04-2005, 01:47 PM
Scared reason of dying= Shock/nerve
Were do we go? I know that we will just finish and our molecules will be a part of everything and dissolve into plants and soil but I have no other feeling for heaven or reincarnation anymore.

DASH9099
05-04-2005, 01:51 PM
If god really exists then why is there so much suffering in this world?

*.Glitter.Rip.*
05-04-2005, 01:55 PM
If god really exists then why is there so much suffering in this world?
Because god left us here to care for ourselfs. Apparently

Luayminator
05-04-2005, 05:29 PM
Because god left us here to care for ourselfs. Apparently

very very true

Fingerboots
05-04-2005, 05:33 PM
I don't believe in God to be honest.
What I don't understand is, if it really is just a believing why are you being "taught" how to believe in things through the Bible, classes and parents? Wouldn't a believing be a free choice, making your own mind up about things.

Pulchritudinous
05-04-2005, 06:15 PM
I can't really say what I think about religion without offending those who are.
It's totally stupid, I'll leave it at that.
Perhaps some people are still religious as a way of reassurance, it means there is still someone 'watching over you', and I suppose you might feel protected.

Mentor
05-04-2005, 06:34 PM
I can't really say what I think about religion without offending those who are.
It's totally stupid, I'll leave it at that.
Perhaps some people are still religious as a way of reassurance, it means there is still someone 'watching over you', and I suppose you might feel protected.
I think it just the inhabilty some people have to accepet they are insignifcant to the bigger picture and they dont have control over things, its the reason religion thrives where there suffering, as people want hope, and it dies where people are happy, becuse they dont need one. religion is just a way to hide a fear of the unknown imo.

athogh i get exsactly what you mean about not being able to voice a full opion on some subjects without being very offencive to others.

Pulchritudinous
05-04-2005, 06:40 PM
Yeah it's kinda annoying, but I guess you gotta be respectful towards those who are religious.
I'm not one of those people who wants no religious people left in the world, I just accept that some people are, and I'm not.

Isaac
05-04-2005, 09:50 PM
Who cares if its not scientifically possible? God makes everything possible! (For all you non-believers wondering who made god, god made god)

Mentor
05-04-2005, 09:57 PM
Who cares if its not scientifically possible? God makes everything possible! (For all you non-believers wondering who made god, god made god)
Thats a self contradictry argument. if god dindt need to be created, then the uninveres didnt need to be created, therfor voiding any point for a god.

MYKE!
05-04-2005, 10:26 PM
I used to belive in god not long ago. I don't any more.
The bible contradicts it's self over and over again.
It says god is all mighty, it also says on the seventh day god had a rest.
Some god he is!
All he did was say "let there be something" once a day.
Cant blame him he's only human, he must get nackered after saying a sentence!

jgosden
06-04-2005, 03:50 PM
I believe in God and i am a christian, I find some of these anti christian comments offensive and not needed

HOWEVER, everyone is entiled to there own opinion and surely it would be better if we left this thread and let people believe each of there beliefs

Just because i believe something does not mean everyone has to , (although you can if you want) and habbox should not be a place to get into these arguments

Mentor
06-04-2005, 04:29 PM
I believe in God and i am a christian, I find some of these anti christian comments offensive and not needed

HOWEVER, everyone is entiled to there own opinion and surely it would be better if we left this thread and let people believe each of there beliefs

Just because i believe something does not mean everyone has to , (although you can if you want) and habbox should not be a place to get into these arguments
No ones argueing its a debate. People putting forward opions, and discussing them. There a difference you know.

-JT-
06-04-2005, 04:32 PM
danneh is my god xD

Luayminator
06-04-2005, 04:54 PM
Pffft... How sad. Excuse me.

Briarleaf
06-04-2005, 06:09 PM
Sorry kiddies there is no such thing as Santaclaus, the Easterbunny, or God. In fact the whole "Christian\God" thing was stolen from the pagens who where celebrating Christmas (the winter equinox) and Easter (the spring equinox) thousands of years before the first Christian even had the poo wiped off his butt from his mama.

By the way when i say Christian i refer to all similar religions.

Yayse
06-04-2005, 06:17 PM
Is there anything up there? a god of any kind? what do you think


personally i don't think this world was made by mistake, i mean a science explosion. every single animal, every single plant, i think something intended this to happen. i don't think there is a god though, there's not just the one superior who knows all, sees all and must be worshipped otherwise it'll smite you, or damn you for eternity. that to me seems a little far-fetched. more so i believe in chance and fate, but i still think something, someone made this world for a purpose.

-JT-
06-04-2005, 06:34 PM
urm Luayminator what do you have against me?

KickerFliper
06-04-2005, 08:08 PM
Nope No God

Ghosts And Gaurdian Angels Are A Maybe For Me

micky.blue.eyes
07-04-2005, 06:07 AM
I don't think there is a God. Well I wouldn't call it a god.

I specially don't believe in the bible, I mean why did all those miracles happen at that time?
Besides, the original bible has never been found, they "copied" the bible, hoz do we know they didn't made anything up?

But that' just me. :)

Pulchritudinous
07-04-2005, 10:34 AM
I think we all have accepted some people are religious are some are not, so I don't think the thread should be closed.

I wondered, do you think christians doubt themselves, because when they acheive something, they praise God instead of themselves.

-JT-
07-04-2005, 12:15 PM
yeah i agree but god is such a drag man!

Luayminator
07-04-2005, 04:06 PM
YOU CANT SAY GOD IS A DRAG.
You said this si a debate where you put your thoughts in to get discussed/
Saying God IS a drag makes it a disrespectful statement.
Saying, I agree I THINK good is a drag. Is right, but that is saying God IS.

estkf
07-04-2005, 06:57 PM
In the christian religion 'up there' is not always a good description. Some people believe that there is a god, others don't.. But i'm in the middle..I mean like..

God created earth, yeah, believable, but where did the dinosaurs come into it?
If god was real then why would he let there be a third world?

but other questions are raised about jesus being the son of god..Infact, there is records of mary and joesph registering in bethlehem

But religion isn't always seeing to believe! (You may not think it but i hate R.E lol)

KickerFliper
07-04-2005, 07:00 PM
In My Opinion Theres No God

Were Here From Pure Chance

estkf
07-04-2005, 07:02 PM
In My Opinion Theres No God

Were Here From Pure Chance

I find that interesting.. are we here from pure chance?

did we evolve from dinosaurs? (If so then where did the dinosaurs come from?)

Or was it god?

KickerFliper
07-04-2005, 07:03 PM
Good Point
Or
Are We From Another Plant Millions Of Light Years Away

No One Knows

Luayminator
07-04-2005, 09:04 PM
In My Opinion Theres No God

Were Here From Pure Chance

IM GOOD REPPING YOU.
Because you said: IN MY OPINION,.
And you didnt make it a statement.

Yayse
07-04-2005, 10:24 PM
personally i think that most religions.. perhaps with the exception of buddhism, are just another excuse to follow and obey rules and fight and even die for during wars, over two different religions... and their beliefs. buddhism, i think, is different because although there are certain things to worship.. etc, basically the religions more about finding your true self. just simply learning and understanding who you are throughout life.

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