Why Cant Habbox Code Their Own Site?

[Apox]

It rare that I look at the actual Habbox site, and to my dispair I see they've updated the site layout. We all know Habbox is not renound for the most stylish layouts in the world, but at least last time they coded it themselves. Whats going on this time?

Why use the open source content manager otherwise known as Joomla (Google it if you need link)!? Are you incapable of coding your own site?

[Webhamster]

I don't like it either, lol.

[JackHb]

Why code your own when you can use one just as good if not better for free and ready to go :S?

[Apox]

Because the whole point of a site is to be fresh, original and unique? Most Habbo fan sites succeed in accomplishing this.

[JackHb]

I don't see any other Habbo fansites using joomla

[Biseinen]

I don't see any other Habbo fansites using joomla

I think you know the answer to why they're not using it.

I can give you hints if required. ;)

[JackHb]

I think you know the answer to why they're not using it.

I can give you hints if required. ;)

Because properclone and 8freak8 wanted to change it ;)
And if you say "cause of the hacking" then wrong as properclone originally started it alongtime before that

[Biseinen]

No, you don't see any other fansites uisng it because it's not 'Habbo-esk' so to speak. It's too professional. (Normally thats a good thing). But your audience, well, main audience is 12 - 17 year olds. So it's not exactly the best layout for Habbox.


Because properclone and 8freak8 wanted to change it ;)

Cheeky.

[JackHb]

No, you don't see any other fansites uisng it because it's not 'Habbo-esk' so to speak. It's too professional. (Normally thats a good thing). But your audience, well, main audience is 12 - 17 year olds. So it's not exactly the best layout for Habbox.



Cheeky.

We are Unique then :P

[Biseinen]

We are Unique then :P

Haha, unique is a very big understatment. ;) Yes, Jack, you're very speshul. :p

[Apox]

There are very few good sites that use a free content manager and pull it off successfully. Habbox has basicly not been bothered to bring its users a decent quality of design and development.

And Hacking? The words here are ***? Theres no hacking involved when it comes to an OPEN SOURCE script. From what I can see, they've added the normal content, and added the banner. Not even bothered with a new skin for the script. So not only have they used a pre-used, un-unique script, but they havnt even got either the skill or "push" to code their own skin for it.

Oh dear...

[JackHb]

There are very few good sites that use a free content manager and pull it off successfully. Habbox has basicly not been bothered to bring its users a decent quality of design and development.

And Hacking? The words here are ***? Theres no hacking involved when it comes to an OPEN SOURCE script. From what I can see, they've added the normal content, and added the banner. Not even bothered with a new skin for the script. So not only have they used a pre-used, un-unique script, but they havnt even got either the skill or "push" to code their own skin for it.

Oh dear...

Where did i mention they have hacked the joomla script?
Please re-read what i have put :)

Incase you can't be bothered = Hacking on the old layout, some people may think we changed due to that, when we started joomla before that

[Biseinen]

There are very few good sites that use a free content manager and pull it off successfully. Habbox has basicly not been bothered to bring its users a decent quality of design and development.

And Hacking? The words here are ***? Theres no hacking involved when it comes to an OPEN SOURCE script. From what I can see, they've added the normal content, and added the banner. Not even bothered with a new skin for the script. So not only have they used a pre-used, un-unique script, but they havnt even got either the skill or "push" to code their own skin for it.

Oh dear...

They most probably have got the ability to code a new layout/skin or whatever they ened but sometimes, I guess it's easier to use pre-made ones that look decent and do the job.

Jins not always free and it can be a right pain to code a layout. (As simple as it can be).

Ah well, it's just the site... Not that important. I haven't looked at it in detail in like months.

[JackHb]

They most probably have got the ability to code a new layout/skin or whatever they ened but sometimes, I guess it's easier to use pre-made ones that look decent and do the job.

Jins not always free and it can be a right pain to code a layout. (As simple as it can be).

Ah well, it's just the site... Not that important. I haven't looked at it in detail in like months.

8Freak8 would code the layout not :Jin:
And if you have any improvements then PM 8Freak8 or Properclone.

[Biseinen]

Improvments, meh, they wouldn't even listen. It's one ear then out the other. Sure, they'll go, 'Mmmm, yeah, thats cool'. 'Uh huh', but they won't do it, 'cause they don't have the time.

I hardly ever code any more... If I do it's for PHP or Java scripts... Other than that, I'm way too lazy to do any scripts that're over 15 minutes of my time.

Sorry, Jin codes HXF, right? If so I'm getting mixed up. :p

[JackHb]

Improvments, meh, they wouldn't even listen. It's one ear then out the other. Sure, they'll go, 'Mmmm, yeah, thats cool'. 'Uh huh', but they won't do it, 'cause they don't have the time.

I hardly ever code any more... If I do it's for PHP or Java scripts... Other than that, I'm way too lazy to do any scripts that're over 15 minutes of my time.

Sorry, Jin codes HXF, right? If so I'm getting mixed up. :p

Well another false comment :P Someone PM'ed 8freak8 about adding a Habbo background to the site and guess what...it was done :)
So please do not say they wouldn't listen. :love3:

[Biseinen]

Well another false comment :P Someone PM'ed 8freak8 about adding a Habbo background to the site and guess what...it was done :)
So please do not say they wouldn't listen. :love3:

Sorry, sorry, let me correct my statement... Ahem... They don't listen to ME. =P

And yeah, that must of taken what? 5 minutes to do?

[JackHb]

Sorry, sorry, let me correct my statement... Ahem... They don't listen to ME. =P

And yeah, that must of taken what? 5 minutes to do?

I don't know, i couldn't find my stop watch in time to time them :(

[Biseinen]

I don't know, i couldn't find my stop watch in time to time them :(

Poor baby! = (

[Blinger1]

Well another false comment :P Someone PM'ed 8freak8 about adding a Habbo background to the site and guess what...it was done :)
So please do not say they wouldn't listen. :love3:

Would that "someone" be by any chance sierk or something?

[sierk1]

Lol the whole point of habbox is definately not to have a fresh, original and unique layout. The point of Habbox is to provide good reliable information and interesting content.


Because the whole point of a site is to be fresh, original and unique? Most Habbo fan sites succeed in accomplishing this.

[Apox]

The word "site" was used as a general term, almost all sites are unique in one way or another.


The point of Habbox is to provide good reliable information and interesting content.

Other fansites are fully capable of pulling of the above, and a good layout. It just seems such a pity that a more layout is letting Habbox down...

[Re101]

The word "site" was used as a general term, almost all sites are unique in one way or another.



Other fansites are fully capable of pulling of the above, and a good layout. It just seems such a pity that a more layout is letting Habbox down...
If other sites do it better why do people keep coming on habbox ?

[8Freak8]

It rare that I look at the actual Habbox site, and to my dispair I see they've updated the site layout. We all know Habbox is not renound for the most stylish layouts in the world, but at least last time they coded it themselves. Whats going on this time?

Why use the open source content manager otherwise known as Joomla (Google it if you need link)!? Are you incapable of coding your own site?
Yes Apox. You see really we are just a bunch of idiot monkeys who can't string a sentence of words together, let alone know HTML and how to make images.

It obviously hasn't crossed your mind that maybe just MAYBE Joomla is used by a lot of big sites like Habbox because it helps to manage content hence being called a content managment system.

Thanks

Would that "someone" be by any chance sierk or something?
Nah it was a Forum Moderator. The reason I done it though was because it was a basic thing which could make a big difference. And yes, I would listen to normal users too since one of my general values is fairness.

[Encryptions!]

I don't actually see what is wrong with Habbox using Joomla, literally hundreds of professional sites use it for their management needs everyday and don't get pathetic comments such as why can't they code their own. Perhaps it doesn't look to 'Habboey' but there again as long as the content is unique and good then the design will slowly fall into place.

Many of you want the old layout back which was around 10x worse as it didn't meet any web compliency standards using them god awful frames. As long as Habbox is a proficient content system then all they need is a nice Open Source CMS such as Joomla or Mambo.


Because the whole point of a site is to be fresh, original and unique? Most Habbo fan sites succeed in accomplishing this.

Most Habbo Fansites that I have seen don't meet 20% of the web standards and are just basically cheap knockoffs of Open Source CMS's which they have modified and themed for themselves.


Because properclone and 8freak8 wanted to change it ;)
And if you say "cause of the hacking" then wrong as properclone originally started it alongtime before that

I personally don't think Habbox were ever hacked, they only had their Cutenews exploited due to the unsafety of a flatfile News System which Joomla will correct with it being Database driven.


We are Unique then :P

You are unique in content but perhaps not in design as many content sites have had Joomla. Perhaps only one or two Habbo related sites but i'm sure there has been a few.


Sorry, sorry, let me correct my statement... Ahem... They don't listen to ME. =P

And yeah, that must of taken what? 5 minutes to do?

Perhaps they do listen to you; but you may go about the wrong way of petitioning to get things done; The Habbox admins will discuss most ideas I presume and then see if it will look any good on the site.


The word "site" was used as a general term, almost all sites are unique in one way or another.



Other fansites are fully capable of pulling of the above, and a good layout. It just seems such a pity that a more layout is letting Habbox down...

Habbox is by far the most 'content' available site with their top range Rare Values script and the Habbo Friends script; perhaps they work more on content than doing layouts which is basically what any site should do.


Yes Apox. You see really we are just a bunch of idiot monkeys who can't string a sentence of words together, let alone know HTML and how to make images.

It obviously hasn't crossed your mind that maybe just MAYBE Joomla is used by a lot of big sites like Habbox because it helps to manage content hence being called a content managment system.

Thanks

Nah it was a Forum Moderator. The reason I done it though was because it was a basic thing which could make a big difference. And yes, I would listen to normal users too since one of my general values is fairness.

Amen. There is no point in Habbox becoming all content driven by lots of ongoing systems when they can have a nice simple open source CMS to do it for them.

[---MAD---]

I don't actually see what is wrong with Habbox using Joomla, literally hundreds of professional sites use it for their management needs everyday and don't get pathetic comments such as why can't they code their own. Perhaps it doesn't look to 'Habboey' but there again as long as the content is unique and good then the design will slowly fall into place.

Many of you want the old layout back which was around 10x worse as it didn't meet any web compliency standards using them god awful frames. As long as Habbox is a proficient content system then all they need is a nice Open Source CMS such as Joomla or Mambo.



Most Habbo Fansites that I have seen don't meet 20% of the web standards and are just basically cheap knockoffs of Open Source CMS's which they have modified and themed for themselves.



I personally don't think Habbox were ever hacked, they only had their Cutenews exploited due to the unsafety of a flatfile News System which Joomla will correct with it being Database driven.



You are unique in content but perhaps not in design as many content sites have had Joomla. Perhaps only one or two Habbo related sites but i'm sure there has been a few.



Perhaps they do listen to you; but you may go about the wrong way of petitioning to get things done; The Habbox admins will discuss most ideas I presume and then see if it will look any good on the site.



Habbox is by far the most 'content' available site with their top range Rare Values script and the Habbo Friends script; perhaps they work more on content than doing layouts which is basically what any site should do.



Amen. There is no point in Habbox becoming all content driven by lots of ongoing systems when they can have a nice simple open source CMS to do it for them.
PERFECT REPLY! You are spot on in every aspect, i call that the reply of the centuary at habbox forum! +rep!

[Apox]

don't meet 20% of the web standards

Habbox does not meet the legal requirements when it comes to web standards under the W3C mark up rules. So dont try that one.

Secondally, I'm yet to see any offical or near offical fan sites that are
basically cheap knockoffs of Open Source CMS
If they are, they have done a very good job of hiding and theming the original script. At the end of the day, theres no satisfaction as a web developer if your just going to do a half arsed effort.

Thirdly, I'm pleased to see that the manager himself and the head web designed have had a say, which means at the end of the day I have caused some room for judgement, and a few emotions stirred.

Finally, my opinion is my opinion. As 8Freak8 said, and not I,

e are just a bunch of idiot monkeys who can't string a sentence of words together, let alone know HTML and how to make images.

This is a pixel based site. That will lead you no where in later life. Just think the amount of time you've spent "developing" this site, could of been spent on extending other skills that mean something.

And that is my opinion.

Regards.
Xopa

[---MAD---]

and if habbox are wasting their time developing the site, what are you doing?

[Biseinen]

Perhaps they do listen to you; but you may go about the wrong way of petitioning to get things done; The Habbox admins will discuss most ideas I presume and then see if it will look any good on the site.

Have a look at some of my 'requests' for changes on the forum and tell me they're not professional or better than saying "So this, cause it's cool, thanks".

-.-

[8Freak8]

This is a pixel based site. That will lead you no where in later life. Just think the amount of time you've spent "developing" this site, could of been spent on extending other skills that mean something.

And that is my opinion.

Regards.
Xopa
You could argue that but obviously I would disagree. I wouldn't have learnt PHP if it wasn't for Habbox, and yet because of the PHP I have done and will continue to earn money which will go to pay for stuff in my "real" life. So in that sense there is a point.

There is actually an endless list of reasons why there is a point, for example managing a successful site has its perks in terms of releasing a project that is successful.

But I'm tired at the mo and I cba to list them all. Things like managment, providing content etc.

[Encryptions!]

Just to say another thing; if Habbox has gotten them nowhere then I would love to see the amount of people who would think different if 8Freak8 created a portfolio he could base it on the bases of Habbox from V2 and the Rare values script. To the Habbo Friends page which he built.

He has probably built up a nice little portfolio of scripts and designs for Habbox and has knowledge of Open Source CMS such as Joomla which could get him nice little freelancing jobs.

And as for it being 'illegal' not to meet the web standards of W3C then I think around 95% of the internet would have been shut down as most people code to IE standards which are around 8 years behind W3C..

[Apox]

1.

95% of the internet would have been shut down

Read the legal write up on the W3C rules before making such a comment. It may be illegal under the W3C rules, but in no way did I imply that they would shut down such sites, don’t make a argument in this discussion (which is it) unless you can back it up.

2. Basic PHP, (FETCH, POST, UPDATE and the basics of algorithms (Which is what Habbo friends is, just simple database functions)) is nothing compared to the real opportunities that the language entitles you with. If in all this time you've only learned PHP you need to realise what you could have learnt more of and the other languages that you could use alongside PHP to real bring out its true potential.

3. I personally, wouldn't walk up to a employer and say "Yes, I made a Habbo Fan site". Even though the scripts themselves MAY bring a little credit, they account for nothing at the end of the day, as harsh it may seem. Proven it this comment by the fact employer’s isn’t looking fully towards Uni graduates, but to those who have experience. So lets see, someone who has created a few "Habbo" PHP scripts, or someone who has a little amount of experience in coding, but past experience in the work place? Even you should know which of the two the employer would pick. Your as bad as those Habbos in the forums who believe because they've played on Habbo for a few months they can become paid moderators..

4. As for I, I am purely expressing my opinion, a quick post here and there to see what kind of replys you people post it very amusing. You can no doubt see the up roar when someone says something "anti Habbox" and the doubt it brings into your minds. I love your optimism, especially you 8Freak8, I admire the fact that you have accomplished something, and kudos to you. But in a decade’s time when you’re entering the job market, Habbox will count for nothing.

This has been enjoyable hasn't it :)

[Infrontation]

I'm going too be a lazy noob and not read the posts.. I find it personally okay for habbox too use a pre-coded site, it looks good and saved hastle "/

[Encryptions!]

1.


Read the legal write up on the W3C rules before making such a comment. It may be illegal under the W3C rules, but in no way did I imply that they would shut down such sites, don’t make a argument in this discussion (which is it) unless you can back it up.

2. Basic PHP, (FETCH, POST, UPDATE and the basics of algorithms (Which is what Habbo friends is, just simple database functions)) is nothing compared to the real opportunities that the language entitles you with. If in all this time you've only learned PHP you need to realise what you could have learnt more of and the other languages that you could use alongside PHP to real bring out its true potential.

3. I personally, wouldn't walk up to a employer and say "Yes, I made a Habbo Fan site". Even though the scripts themselves MAY bring a little credit, they account for nothing at the end of the day, as harsh it may seem. Proven it this comment by the fact employer’s isn’t looking fully towards Uni graduates, but to those who have experience. So lets see, someone who has created a few "Habbo" PHP scripts, or someone who has a little amount of experience in coding, but past experience in the work place? Even you should know which of the two the employer would pick. Your as bad as those Habbos in the forums who believe because they've played on Habbo for a few months they can become paid moderators..

4. As for I, I am purely expressing my opinion, a quick post here and there to see what kind of replys you people post it very amusing. You can no doubt see the up roar when someone says something "anti Habbox" and the doubt it brings into your minds. I love your optimism, especially you 8Freak8, I admire the fact that you have accomplished something, and kudos to you. But in a decade’s time when you’re entering the job market, Habbox will count for nothing.

This has been enjoyable hasn't it :)

I will admin you have some good points in there but just to say about the jobs market. In design terms or coding such as PHP and OOP they don't really care what the scripts entail as long as you can use advanced Database techniques with SQL and Oracle for other things; show advanced understanding of most statements such as IF statement and other basic things like arrays.

If 8Freak8 actually put Habbox on his list of portfolio then the emplyer would look at the stats and as he's one of the ones in charge of the web design section he would get lots of praise for the 4+ million hits that they've recieved, the basis of the site doesn't matter as long as you show understanding of all things to do with PHP.

For instance you could create a Database Driven Barbie site now with a nice CMS and everything and the employer may be curious why the theme but he will not knock off points on themes unless their job is to create to a theme based site.

I'm merely expressing my opinion and I can tell by your posts that you seem to know what your talking about so i'm not going to 'argue' over a forum as thats kind of immature and i'm just going to post to answer questions and critiques.

[8Freak8]

Apox, fortunately I have a lot of qualities that would make an employer want to hire me. I'm not the nerd you are imagining me to be.

[Biseinen]

I'm not the nerd you are imagining me to be.

Never, give them an opening. :rolleyes:

[compboy]

The Style Which Habbox Is Not Unique At All. They Should At Least Make An Own Templete Rather Than Getting An Free One From http://www.mamboteam.com (http://www.mamboteam.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogsection&id=4&Itemid=39) That Any-one Can Use. :(

[Mentor]

Meh, its lazyness, as website can tell you alot from its design, Useing a premade or ctm basicly spells lazyness "/

Habbox as far as i know has more webdesign staff than any other habbo site? What exsactly do they do? Half of em coulnt write a valid sentance of html for ****, and the majorty of that half coulnt even write the invalid one "/

I know 8freak8 is perfectly capble of createing pretty advanced scripts (be it often slightly more avanced than has any practial useage, if i take his hitcounter as exsample), but he did quit habbox at one point, or at least the position as he coulnt be bothered to put so much time in to maintaing it (since so many of the webdeisgn team tend to be imcompitent thesedays). He comes back, and now theres a new easy to mange ready made ctm... Kinda seems like he may be convincing a few people its better to get off some work, which imo is a good idea on his part, since sirek aint got enogh brain cells to gain a clue in to how sites work anyway and just lives of the other peoples work "/

Many sites use Free layout yes, many profecanal ones. Usealy ones that Have nothing to do with webdeisgn, aint got a clue what there doing so just want to keep the online preasnats as simple and basic as possible, thats not a bad thing if you trying to do somthing which doesnt realy rely on the internet. Althogh its pretty stupid to have a webdesign team if thats the option your gona take, but meh.
Anyway ive had a nice little point lackin rant now, so im gona close up, gotta get back to tg5

[Cypher-]

Lol, You sound so bitter. Why cant you find some resemblance of a life instead of trying to drop the anvil on Habbox?

[Matt.]

The Style Which Habbox Is Not Unique At All. They Should At Least Make An Own Templete Rather Than Getting An Free One From http://www.mamboteam.com (http://www.mamboteam.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogsection&id=4&Itemid=39) That Any-one Can Use. :(
:o, Good find +Rep

[Mit]

Can you not question 8freaks8 ability to make amazing scripts. Personally the rare values script is amazing and I doubt many pewople here could have made one like it :)

[Robbie..]

OK, Personally I think it's the quality of the content on the site that makes it good, and makes people want to come back and visit, not merely the layout. I know you people are not implying it, but it is generally true.

I'll still visit Habbox, even if they end up with a MS Paint 1 minute layout of something with just like 2 boxes, as they have some brilliant content and thats what makes me want to come back and visit it.

[Condas]

God I Can Code My Own One.

[KickerFliper]

HAbbox's sites are fine, So what they use a pre-coded one, who really cares, if your calling 8Freak8 a nerd, then you havent looked at theself stating rules and regulations of the online law.
And why would you care anyway? If your not a nerd you wouldnt of spent 20odd minutes searching the the site the templates from, Nerd.:eusa_danc