Jesus, God, Christianity, etc

[Revis]

Yes this may offend some people but what is the point of having opinions if we aren't allowed to express them? I ask that you keep a civil tongue and do not feel the need to be offensive or abusive towards people due to their beliefs.

Right, basically, what are your thoughts on Christianity?

I do not believe in a God but I believe Jesus did exsist as a person. I also believe that 'Hell' is a metaphor for the desert Jesus supposedly stayed.

Merh, i'll go into more detail if the debate isn't spammed and actually worthwhile.

[Honesty]

I don't know.
I was like brought up in a christian place, and never questioned any of it until I was about 12.
Now I don't know what I believe :P
But i don't follow christianity.

[ilovejordan]

Yes this may offend some people but what is the point of having opinions if we aren't allowed to express them? I ask that you keep a civil tongue and do not feel the need to be offensive or abusive towards people due to their beliefs.

Right, basically, what are your thoughts on Christianity?

I do not believe in a God but I believe Jesus did exsist as a person. I also believe that 'Hell' is a metaphor for the desert Jesus supposedly stayed.

Merh, i'll go into more detail if the debate isn't spammed and actually worthwhile.

of course its true i am the virgin mary

[JT-Fan]

Omg ;o
Ur mary!

[Murder]

I dont believe in it at all. i think someone just saw a man with a white beard and things called God.

[Revis]

:o! Jesus was supposedly married to a Mary, and his mother was Mary... It's a conspiricy.

[ilovejordan]

I dont believe in it at all. i think someone just saw a man with a white beard and things called God.

roflmao at that

[Ziabotsu]

I believe in 3 gods. Saradomin, Zamorak and Guthix.

[Wayne]

I do believe some of it, but some is strange and weird.

[Ziabotsu]

Ragnaros and Nefarius.

[ilovejordan]

:o! Jesus was supposedly married to a Mary, and his mother was Mary... It's a conspiricy.

you know this howww

[uh huh her]

I don't beleive there is a god or w/e. I made up a story which would proberly bore you, and most likely isn't true. So i won't tell it.

[JT-Fan]

I believe in the hindu gods.

[Craig]

Please don't spam this thread! Finally a decent topic, thanks Lee.

Well to be honest I've never been sure about Christianity. The whole God argument has happened for hundreds of years and people seem to think that because millions of people believe in him they can't be wrong. Well they can.. it doesn't matter how many people believe in something it can still be false. Jesus was a very common name back then anyway so I'm sure Jesus did exist but wether it was the Bible's Jesus is a different story:P Some of the stories I've heard about Jesus/God are phenomenal.

[Ziabotsu]

This is the story of God.
God was an ordinary man, he sat down to write a book.
"God had sex and gave birth to Jesus. Jesus got killed and put on a cross. Another person that looked exactly the same as Jesus came and said I'm back. The end."

[Murder]

My God is shirley manson as shes hawt! *moves on* ...

[Craig]

:o! Jesus was supposedly married to a Mary, and his mother was Mary... It's a conspiricy.

Two different people. Mary was also a common name like Jesus.

[Revis]

Please don't spam this thread! Finally a decent topic, thanks Lee.

Well to be honest I've never been sure about Christianity. The whole God argument has happened for hundreds of years and people seem to think that because millions of people believe in him they can't be wrong. Well they can.. it doesn't matter how many people believe in something it can still be false. Jesus was a very common name back then anyway so I'm sure Jesus did exist but wether it was the Bible's Jesus is a different story:P Some of the stories I've heard about Jesus/God are phenomenal.
No worries.

Yeah he probably did live but was just a normal man. He was probably a martyr or revolutionist.

I just don't get the whole idea of being a good christian and helping others when if you do sin you can just ask forgiveness and get straight into heaven. Bin Laden could mutter a quick apology on his deathbed and stroll through the pearlly white gates into a loving embrace from Jesus.

[Craig]

No worries.

Yeah he probably did live but was just a normal man. He was probably a martyr or revolutionist.

I just don't get the whole idea of being a good christian and helping others when if you do sin you can just ask forgiveness and get straight into heaven. Bin Laden could mutter a quick apology on his deathbed and stroll through the pearlly white gates into a loving embrace from Jesus.

I'm pretty sure sins of what Bin Laden did are different to the sins that are asked for forgiveness. Anyways also different Christians interpret the Bible differently to other people. That's why you have different denominations such as Roman Catholic,Church of England etc. CoE don't beg for forgiveness and have them things with the 'father' where you go inside and speak to him.

[Drooped]

I stopped believeing in God because i thought, even though if you live a life without pain you don't know what kindness and love and happyness is but i believe the pain i've went through for a 15 year old is worse than a lot of adults go through in their life time, thus making me believe there is no god. I know that... without pain there's no happyness just numbness but i've went through enough pain to make me feel... as if life isn't worth it. NO i'm not a damned goth or mosher etc. I have no grand parents, my parents have split up urm.. i only have 1 member of family that cares for me except my dad and sister and brother and brother in law, my auntie Jan.

This isn't a sob story i'm just explaining why i believe there's no god.

I believe there is something after life, or i would of ended my life. I've lost my gran parents and i want to believe when everyone passes away and eventually i do i will meet up with all my deceased relatives and have happiness at last.

I know, some people believe without god is without life and thus without any "heaven"/"hell" but there deffinetly is a good place and a bad place to go to, in my opinion.

[Leuven]

I believe that the reality of got is the belief of him.

You may say that god is real. so he is real to YOU.

You many not say he is real. so he is not real to YOU.

[Revis]

I'm pretty sure sins of what Bin Laden did are different to the sins that are asked for forgiveness. Anyways also different Christians interpret the Bible differently to other people. That's why you have different denominations such as Roman Catholic,Church of England etc. CoE don't beg for forgiveness and have them things with the 'father' where you go inside and speak to him.
Confessional? yeah.

It's just why are there so many paths to this ultimate being? Why can it be different for one person just because they worship in a different way?

I just can't put my faith into something there is no proof of even exsisting.

[Craig]

I disagree with your argument Drooped but it's your opinion so you stick to it if you want. If something bad happens God can't reach into the world and miraculously help someone. If there is such a thing as God he has left things be natural and can't stop suffering from anyone. Buddhists however believe that suffering is a result of Karma and if you give off bad Karma it will result in suffering.

Yeah I meant confessional I just couldn't remember the name:P It's different because people have interpretted the Bible in so many different ways. I know it's weird and hard to explain but people agree/disagree with some denominations more than other people so they are thankful for that denomination. I would believe your a Scientologist or w/e and I sometimes agree with their theories but it can be said about alot of things aswell not just God.

[Revis]

I don't really believe in Karma either.

For example, a woman could be pregnant with a baby who has already been diagnosed with a terminal illness. You could abort it, which according to christianity is murder (due to the sanctity of life) or put it through a life of misery and suffering. Either way it'll be bad.

The bible can only be interpretted in different ways as it was wrote by several different people. Their views contrast and contradict each other but why do they do this if they are writing about the same thing?

[Door]

Yes this may offend some people but what is the point of having opinions if we aren't allowed to express them? I ask that you keep a civil tongue and do not feel the need to be offensive or abusive towards people due to their beliefs.

Right, basically, what are your thoughts on Christianity?

I do not believe in a God but I believe Jesus did exsist as a person. I also believe that 'Hell' is a metaphor for the desert Jesus supposedly stayed.

Merh, i'll go into more detail if the debate isn't spammed and actually worthwhile.

I used to believe something similar to that. I believed that it was made up and stuff the kinda Charles Darwin stuff.
Now Im a Muslim. Muslims believe Jesus was a prophet, a guy with gifts from God and the power of God but not the son of God.
I was an Atheiest for a long time although I was brought up as a Christian. Even though youre an Athiest I still respect you for making up your own mind.

[Drooped]

I believe in Karma.
But, i've only started believeing in it after my name is earl, silly to alter your mind because of a fictional TV show but i just believe slightly in it. I don't believe i did anything to get the hurt i've had though, i think when you start believeing in karma then it'll start altering the affects so if i'm bad NOW i WILL get the affects sooner or later. I believe, i was an innocent child when I did get hurt. i was 10 when my parents split up and it's probably one of the most traumatic things in my life, the split up was BAD. i won't go trhough it :) and also when i lost all my grand parents within like 2 years, i was innocent then just a small child. i lost them before i was 13.

[Craig]

I don't really believe in Karma either.

For example, a woman could be pregnant with a baby who has already been diagnosed with a terminal illness. You could abort it, which according to christianity is murder (due to the sanctity of life) or put it through a life of misery and suffering. Either way it'll be bad.

I think in some cases in Christianity if the baby is going to suffer or the mother will suffer I think they think it's fine to terminate the baby's life. But meh Religion as a whole is confusing just as cases that prove against Religion like Evolution theory.

[Revis]

I think in some cases in Christianity if the baby is going to suffer or the mother will suffer I think they think it's fine to terminate the baby's life. But meh Religion as a whole is confusing just as cases that prove against Religion like Evolution theory.
The only inkling showing some truth to the bible is that the order in which God created the World is same to Evolution.

[Door]

I think in some cases in Christianity if the baby is going to suffer or the mother will suffer I think they think it's fine to terminate the baby's life. But meh Religion as a whole is confusing just as cases that prove against Religion like Evolution theory.

What religion?

[Revis]

What religion?
Christianity.

[Craig]

But Evolution and Christianity contradict eachother cos of the dates basically.

And if you [Door] were asking what religion says it's alright for the parent it's Christianty.

And also has anyone seen Leonardo Da Vinci's drawing of the last supper thing? Check it out.

[Revis]

It's difficult to believe which parts of the DaVinci code were true. If the church did indeed censor parts of the bible and crap like that then it just strengthens the arguement against god.

[ilovejordan]

But Evolution and Christianity contradict eachother cos of the dates basically.

And if you [Door] were asking what religion says it's alright for the parent it's Christianty.

And also has anyone seen Leonardo Da Vinci's drawing of the last supper thing? Check it out.

Seeing the film tomoz :]

[Craig]

It's difficult to believe which parts of the DaVinci code were true. If the church did indeed censor parts of the bible and crap like that then it just strengthens the arguement against god.

Well the Arc de Sion[or w/e it was] was apparently made up anyway but the stuff about Holy Grail and how it was San Greal and how Holy Blood was Sang Real was very deceptive and I find it hard to be put down to a 'mistake'.

[Revis]

Well the Arc de Sion[or w/e it was] was apparently made up anyway but the stuff about Holy Grail and how it was San Greal and how Holy Blood was Sang Real was very deceptive and I find it hard to be put down to a 'mistake'.
The Priory of Sion were real, which makes it all so much more suspiscious.

[Mentor]

Davinchi code = fiction

the Bible was edited, not censored, edited, they choose which parts to keep which to get rid of, stuff removed was genraly destroyed althogh some parts were hidden. Rich powerful men at the time, wanted to stay rich powerful men.
This part has been pretty much proven.

The sangrel part is CRAP, grail and holy blood have nothing to do with each other. The whole part stems from a simple MISSPELLING in a single copy of a single tranlated bible. its a typo...

Jesus if did exist probaly was marryed, he was a jew, all jews of the time marryed, as jesus was a practisng jew he probaly would have done the same, if he haddent there would have been mention of it.

Most of the bible is metaphical. "son of god" was simply a term for a religios person at the time, hell the bible says everyones gods children if you look.
Water in to wine is a old metiphor for makeing the best of a bad situation for exsample...

at no time in the bible does jesus ever clame he is devine, or the son of god... he deciples make a few clames... he never does..

how did his deciples know what he did in hell considering he never told them and im pretty sure he wasnt there.

How did the deciples write the testiments when they were wirtten over a centuary after jesus supposdly died...

[Leuven]

you know this howww

A book is based on it.

Called the DaVinci Code.

[Revis]

And that basically kicks Christianity into touch.

[Craig]

Yay Carl to explain things!

[Mentor]

Exsplain?!? i was hopeing just to babble on until everyone was at least signifactly more confused than they already were :(

[JackHb]

Yes this may offend some people but what is the point of having opinions if we aren't allowed to express them? I ask that you keep a civil tongue and do not feel the need to be offensive or abusive towards people due to their beliefs.

Right, basically, what are your thoughts on Christianity?

I do not believe in a God but I believe Jesus did exsist as a person. I also believe that 'Hell' is a metaphor for the desert Jesus supposedly stayed.

Merh, i'll go into more detail if the debate isn't spammed and actually worthwhile.

I think religon is a load of rubbish, i honestly can't see how you can believe in something like god when you can't ever see god. Thats my view.

[HUGECOOL]

I think religon is a load of rubbish, i honestly can't see how you can believe in something like god when you can't ever see god. Thats my view.That is why religion relies on faith as its support.

I don't believe in God, I don't follow Christianity, and I don't like organized religion.

My biggest is not the devil, because there can be no devil if there is no God, and if there were a God, he would never allow such suffering.

[Revis]

I think the devil is just the state of mind you are in when you actually want to sin and hell is how you feel after you have commited the sin.

[DMB-Hosting]

I believe in God

[Revis]

I believe in God
Can I ask why?

[Nightrose]

I think um well i dont believe in any god

[Adam$]

I'm not a christian or a true believer but I do like to think there's someone there guiding me along. x)

[heartQUIVER]

i reccomend the davinchi code ;) it goes into stuff deeply. you may think its stupid/nerdy but its not.


im going with cassie. theres a hole in the popcorn box 8)

[arouse]

I believe in alot of it. :]

[Adam$]

i reccomend the davinchi code ;) it goes into stuff deeply. you may think its stupid/nerdy but its not.


im going with cassie. theres a hole in the popcorn box 8)
I've heard that it's good. I'll rent it when it comes out on DVD.

[HUGECOOL]

I haven't found a major religion yet (or even a minor one) that isn't wacky. Hey, you can't sell me on your religion. They all suck.

While we're on this, a few years ago I made this claim in the off.ramp newsgroup that I used to hang out in: God is a *******. I offered Nevada and the Moon as proof. Guess what? No one ever was able to prove me wrong. At minimum I believe that God — if she exists — drinks cheap whiskey. That'd explain why things go to hell once in a while.

[Tash.]

I don't believe in God or anything like that as a "higher being". I prefer only to believe in what I can see or can be proved to me with evidence. I can see why some people would with things like miracles, answered prayers, numinous' etc but i really sometimes feel that people who have apparently experienced these are grasping onto them, because something bad has happened in their life + they need to believe that someone or thing is trying to help.. even if they actually arent + its a major coincidence. I was told that not believing in God would get me somewhere bad + i really used to believe it.. now I dont actually believe there is anything after death but death.. so I dont mind. Sorta off the topic but i felt like a rant. xD

[iluvben]

I don't mind peoples opinions on my religion , I just don't like it when they mock it like a thread when people were posted pictures taking the mic out of Jesus and God for their own amusment.

[Flap]

Nope I don't believe in it at all, I have no idea what happens what happens when you die, I guess i'll just have to wait and find out ;p I respect people who do believe though

[FlyingJesus]

Before anyone skim reads and gets the wrong idea, I'm an agnostic, which means basically that I have no religion but do some research into religions to try to pick at any truths there might be.

To those who don't believe because they cannot see God:

Set something in front of you. Look at it, touch it, smell it, put your ear up against it to find out if it makes noises, and if it isn't anything dangerous, you can even taste it. Leave it there, and move to another room where you cannot see, hear, taste, touch or smell the object. You can no longer sense it, does that mean that it no longer exists? Does the fact that you sensed it before even prove its existence? Your senses simply tell your brain something, and your brain takes that information to let you know what it's found. Without any of your senses you would have no knowledge of it, and so it is only because of your senses that you can believe that it exists - and then it is only your belief in the object's existence that proves it to you, so really belief is the only factor to take into account when you talk about things existing or not.


To those who don't believe because bad things happen:

Who says a god (no need of capital letter unless you're talking specifically about the Christian diety "God") has to be good? In many polytheist religions where more than one god exists, there are "bad" gods, styled from disaster, masters of fire and death. Even if there's just the one god, if he/she/it truly is our creator, why would they have to care about our wellbeing? Surely at some point in your life you've made something and then destroyed it, just to feel some sort of power over something, for your own amusement. Who says that a god even has the power to intervene, in a good or bad way? You could "create" a model car that runs on electricity (an RC model for example), and you made it yourself, but you still cannot change the forces that control it. You have limited control (movement in this case, and the power to destroy it) but you still don't control everything.

[Revis]

'God' does bad things because of fear. If the church no longer makes people fearfull of the repercussions of sinning or not being a good christian then they will lose followers, people will ditch the religion in search of something different.

I really do respect people who are religious, I wish I was able to believe and take comfort from a higher being but my skeptical nature and rough past just makes it difficult for me to believe.

[FlyingJesus]

I envy people who have "blind faith" as it were, a few months back I went on a school trip to a nearby cathedral for art, and the feeling inside the building was fantastic - there were no more than 5 people in there at the time (not including our group of course) and it just felt so peaceful and so happy. The sad truth is that people think they'll be happy if they know more, but as the saying goes, "ignorance is bliss".

[HUGECOOL]

To those who don't believe because bad things happen:

Who says a god (no need of capital letter unless you're talking specifically about the Christian diety "God") has to be good? In many polytheist religions where more than one god exists, there are "bad" gods, styled from disaster, masters of fire and death. Even if there's just the one god, if he/she/it truly is our creator, why would they have to care about our wellbeing? Surely at some point in your life you've made something and then destroyed it, just to feel some sort of power over something, for your own amusement. Who says that a god even has the power to intervene, in a good or bad way? You could "create" a model car that runs on electricity (an RC model for example), and you made it yourself, but you still cannot change the forces that control it. You have limited control (movement in this case, and the power to destroy it) but you still don't control everything. The god we're talking about though is the Christian god. Since Christianity is not polytheist, the only god there is to know is one that is described by the media as good, loving, and forgiving.

The theory could be true for the same argument against polytheist religions, but not Christianity since its based on monotheism.


I envy people who have "blind faith" as it were, a few months back I went on a school trip to a nearby cathedral for art, and the feeling inside the building was fantastic - there were no more than 5 people in there at the time (not including our group of course) and it just felt so peaceful and so happy. The sad truth is that people think they'll be happy if they know more, but as the saying goes, "ignorance is bliss".
I'm writing a report on happiness (lol) and this basically supports my belief. People want to be happy because it makes them feel closer to God, but in reality, its just bringing them farther and farther away from that state they want to be in. I'll post the report later.

[FlyingJesus]

There is of course one argument which overrules any logic that you can throw at Christianity - the fact that the Christian/Jewish God is omnipotent. This means He can do anything. He could even do something pure evil and still be pure good, simply because he has omnipotency, He could lay the world to waste and scream hatred into the ears of all humans and still be benevolent and loving, because it's possible for Him to do anything He likes. It does rather follow "it's right because I say so", but it does make sense if you take time to think it over.

[HUGECOOL]

There is of course one argument which overrules any logic that you can throw at Christianity - the fact that the Christian/Jewish God is omnipotent. This means He can do anything. He could even do something pure evil and still be pure good, simply because he has omnipotency, He could lay the world to waste and scream hatred into the ears of all humans and still be benevolent and loving, because it's possible for Him to do anything He likes. It does rather follow "it's right because I say so", but it does make sense if you take time to think it over.
Sounds like a really bad acid trip, lol.

[JonJon]

I believe in 3 gods. Saradomin, Zamorak and Guthix.

I think you play Runescape a bit too much.... :P

Also you forgot Zaros...

[Demynx]

I'm not such a religous guy, But I believe In some sort of Heaven. :rolleyes:

[Herman]

Nope, I'm a muslim. (: Jesus is just a prophet in my religion.

[Door]

Nope, I'm a muslim. (: Jesus is just a prophet in my religion.

Same. He isnt a major prophet though init. Allah never sent him with anything to teach.

[louder]

I'm not sure sure tbh, I always beleived in god until I was like 11, but now i'm not too sure.. I'm not really religious tbh but I am Christian I guess.

[RedStratocas]

There are many reasons why I dont believe in God, the major one probably being why he/she doesn't make him/herself so clear. If you think about it from an unbiased view, if there is a god, but all religions today are wrong about the story etc, then he/she didnt present himself properly, or didn't want to be known at all. My question is why can't god speak for himself? Why does he need messangers? And dont explain that question to me with things from religions. If there was life without knowledge of a God that did exist, would God even care?

[Door]

RedStratocas
You obviously have read enough religious teachings.

Ill go through everything you said with the Islamic scriptures which will explain things toy uo in a Muslim point of view.


he/she doesn't make him/herself so clear

God makes himself clear through rules. If there's no rules, Allah doesnt exist.



if there is a god, but all religions today are wrong about the story etc, then he/she didnt present himself properly, or didn't want to be known at all

Islam states that Christianity is wrong because Christians accept Jesus as the Son of God although he was just a prophet.
Islam states that the rules of Islam are the rules of God so Jewish teaching is wrong in the fact that they can disobey God after taking alcohol and shifting the blame [There are no excuses for disobeying God in Islam]


My question is why can't god speak for himself? Why does he need messangers?

Most religions that follow 1 God believe that God in himself is a messenger and sends himself in a human form. Mohammed was a man who was living as a God-like messenger on Earth to relate to people.
Christians believe that Jesus was God in a human form like his "son".

Muslims believe that Jesus was sent to bring more messenges and to "update" Islam.


If there was life without knowledge of a God that did exist, would God even care?

Allah cares if people dont live by his rules. He tells good Muslims to accept other religions but not to except the people who worship them to be in the afterlife.


Hope that explains it for you.

[FrozenWhisper]

I've just finished the Da Vinci Code, and it makes sence, I belive Jesus was a normal person, who could do powerful things, but the church decided to make him the son of god, I myself am learning Wiccan.

[Door]

I've just finished the Da Vinci Code, and it makes sence, I belive Jesus was a normal person, who could do powerful things, but the church decided to make him the son of god, I myself am learning Wiccan.

Church wasnt around then. Unless you mean they just picked him after he was dead?
But the Bible makes some sense that people set up churchs for him.

Christians never existed until he was dead. Before he died they were just Jews who believed he was the Son of God.

[Herman]

Church wasnt around then. Unless you mean they just picked him after he was dead?
But the Bible makes some sense that people set up churchs for him.

Christians never existed until he was dead. Before he died they were just Jews who believed he was the Son of God.

The Bible actually belonged to Islam, it was given to Prophet Jesus. But Christians changed it, I think.

[Door]

The Bible actually belonged to Islam, it was given to Prophet Jesus. But Christians changed it, I think.

You a Muslim? You seem like one.

The Bible actually belonged to a few different religions like Jews and Muslims before it was put together to becomethe Bible.
Christians just added the new testament and edited the commandments.

[Emicat.]

It was a way of explaining things but now we know how the world works its invalid.

[Door]

It was a way of explaining things but now we know how the world works its invalid.

Whats invalid?

[Revis]

Whats invalid?
The bible I'm guessing. It used to explain things from the christian point of view, but now we have science it isn't used as much.

[Craig]

Invalid my ****. Explain Emicat "/

[Door]

The bible I'm guessing. It used to explain things from the christian point of view, but now we have science it isn't used as much.

Thats just ther Bible though, it tried to say how God made the Earth and it says just the Earth meaning the person who wrong it didnt know about any other plannets.

The Qur'an says that God made the Earth and everything surrounding it. It also says how life was created more that most other scriptures do [which fits in with scince]




Id also like to add the five pillars of Islam incase anyone wants to convert ;)

Faith or belief in the Oneness of God and the finality of the prophethood of Muhammad
Establishment of the daily prayers
Concern for and almsgiving to the needy
Self-purification through fasting
The pilgrimage to Makkah for those who are able. Iman or Faith

[Mentor]

Invalid my ****. Explain Emicat "/
the bible, well unless you still think the world is flat, the sky is made of water, the sun orbits earth, that everyone should keep slaves, that stoneing people to death is a good and just punishment, and that sciance is hetical...

[Ezzie.]

Entor- Man has created those rules... If god says the sky is made of water then it could have been a metaphor for the "blue"

Anyways, I've lost my dad (his birthday today "/) my brother, and my grandad and my faith in God has not been wavered. Even the knowledgable Albert Einstein theorised that there was a super intelligence at work in this universe so saying that any super power/god is obselete is disagreeing with one of the greatest minds in the world.

[BL!NKEY]

I've just finished the Da Vinci Code, and it makes sence, I belive Jesus was a normal person, who could do powerful things, but the church decided to make him the son of god, I myself am learning Wiccan.

Unfortunately, the book is largely based on obscure, forged documents that have now deceived millions.

I saw the movie and agree that it looks real at parts because of the painting and stories but It is a fictional story.

[Mentor]

Entor- Man has created those rules... If god says the sky is made of water then it could have been a metaphor for the "blue"

Anyways, I've lost my dad (his birthday today "/) my brother, and my grandad and my faith in God has not been wavered. Even the knowledgable Albert Einstein theorised that there was a super intelligence at work in this universe so saying that any super power/god is obselete is disagreeing with one of the greatest minds in the world.
im sorry about your family, but in responce to the other comments.

1) Im saying the bible is obsoleate, not god. The bible says those things, the bible was written by man. They can be despoven, hence justifeing the clame its obsoate. also Water isnt a particaly good meitifor for blue "/

2) Higher power, and the classic "cristan" consept of god aint the same thing.

3) Einstine isnt one of the greatest minds in the word, He is one of the Key people, he made many imporant break threws, but is IQ was just above 160, which makes him a genius yes, but not "the greatest mind" "/

[sarey]

Im a christian, but i dont know if i believe in God/Jesus.. or even heaven and hell.

[Door]

the bible was written by man

The Bible was mainly written by Prophets who were men sent by God.

[Mentor]

The Bible was mainly written by Prophets who were men sent by God.
Im talking about the cristan bible here, as was obvios via the context, It was written a few 100 years after the deiples had dided for the new testiment, by one guy called paul. The old one was a collection of diffent books which told entirly diffent storyes which were combined in to one, for use a proprganda a few 1000 years back

[Door]

Im talking about the cristan bible here, as was obvios via the context, It was written a few 100 years after the deiples had dided for the new testiment, by one guy called paul. The old one was a collection of diffent books which told entirly diffent storyes which were combined in to one, for use a proprganda a few 1000 years back

I dont know what youre talking about. The New Testament in the Bible was written by Mathew, Mark, Luke & John who were deciples during the life of Jesus. None of it was written after this as it started to go round the world a few years after Jesus died.

[Mentor]

I dont know what youre talking about. The New Testament in the Bible was written by Mathew, Mark, Luke & John who were deciples during the life of Jesus. None of it was written after this as it started to go round the world a few years after Jesus died.
Yea, so the church would have you belive, unlikly they dont get to write history, and its well documented the bible was written 100s of years after the supposed events happened, the storys had supposeldy been passed by word of mouth up to that point. Paul wrote em all down, He shaired his name with a deciple as well, so dont confuse em..

[Door]

Yea, so the church would have you belive, unlikly they dont get to write history, and its well documented the bible was written 100s of years after the supposed events happened, the storys had supposeldy been passed by word of mouth up to that point. Paul wrote em all down, He shaired his name with a deciple as well, so dont confuse em..

Im called Paul ;)
I dont believe the 2nd half of the Bible anyway

[Polly-alyssa]

I don't know. I was Christened and my mum believes in god but doesn't go to church on nefin. Sometimes i have prayed but only v.v.v.v.v occasionaly. so i dnt believe, i only pray if something is bad.

i dnt believe in nefin bcauz i like evidence and proof to back up a theory. And there are so many religions and theories, which do you trust? i believe something scientifical happened which caused the start of earth but then i'm not sure.

[Ezzie.]

im sorry about your family, but in responce to the other comments.

1) Im saying the bible is obsoleate, not god. The bible says those things, the bible was written by man. They can be despoven, hence justifeing the clame its obsoate. also Water isnt a particaly good meitifor for blue "/

2) Higher power, and the classic "cristan" consept of god aint the same thing.

3) Einstine isnt one of the greatest minds in the word, He is one of the Key people, he made many imporant break threws, but is IQ was just above 160, which makes him a genius yes, but not "the greatest mind" "/


I know that the bible was created by man but I agree that some parts of it must be flawed as it's just like a game of chineese whispers but to be honest you can only make a certain amount of mistakes, otherwise the bible would just be a base of lies, but higher powers that be are not human and have the influence over certain things making them "godly".

I agree Einstein wasn't the greatest minds in the world but he influenced a hell of alot of things and maybe wasn't the greatest intelect but was probably one of the wisest people out.

[RedStratocas]

RedStratocas
You obviously have read enough religious teachings.

Ill go through everything you said with the Islamic scriptures which will explain things toy uo in a Muslim point of view.

God makes himself clear through rules. If there's no rules, Allah doesnt exist.

Islam states that Christianity is wrong because Christians accept Jesus as the Son of God although he was just a prophet.
Islam states that the rules of Islam are the rules of God so Jewish teaching is wrong in the fact that they can disobey God after taking alcohol and shifting the blame [There are no excuses for disobeying God in Islam]

Most religions that follow 1 God believe that God in himself is a messenger and sends himself in a human form. Mohammed was a man who was living as a God-like messenger on Earth to relate to people.
Christians believe that Jesus was God in a human form like his "son".

Muslims believe that Jesus was sent to bring more messenges and to "update" Islam.

Allah cares if people dont live by his rules. He tells good Muslims to accept other religions but not to except the people who worship them to be in the afterlife.

Hope that explains it for you.


My question wasent something to be answered, especially by more teachings from the bible or bias religious explianation.

There is no proof other than word of mouth that god sends himself down in human form. Also, my question about openness isnt about how god is in his/her words. I mean why can't he/she show him/herself? Why the secrecy? Im sure that no one can imagine a world where god can talk to anyone or send a message worldwide, however if there is a god, why can't he/she? There are so many religions, why didnt god send the same message to everyone?

Thats why I have trouble believing-- if there really is a universal god, why couldnt he send the same message to all people?

[Door]

My question wasent something to be answered, especially by more teachings from the bible or bias religious explianation.

There is no proof other than word of mouth that god sends himself down in human form. Also, my question about openness isnt about how god is in his/her words. I mean why can't he/she show him/herself? Why the secrecy? Im sure that no one can imagine a world where god can talk to anyone or send a message worldwide, however if there is a god, why can't he/she? There are so many religions, why didnt god send the same message to everyone?

Thats why I have trouble believing-- if there really is a universal god, why couldnt he send the same message to all people?

Religion is faith.
Faith- A strong or justified belief in something which you have evidence for

[FlyingJesus]

Religion is faith.
Faith- A strong or justified belief in something which you have evidence for

That should read "something which you have no evidence for". Faith denies evidence, faith needs no evidence, that's why it's faith. It has no base.

[:dallsgreen]

Yeah, that was a dumb definition. Faith is something you believe in, faith is believing without having to have evidence of its existance.

[Confused]

I reckon at that time there was a dude called Jesus who told a bunch of lies or 'myths' and they all got passed down, maybe edited, and put in a book.

[:dallsgreen]

Maybe you dont believe in Jesus or Christianity or whatever but just because you dont doesnt mean you have to call what is written in the bible lies, if you dont believe in it fine but respect other people.

[Confused]

I'm just giving my opinion.

[Mentor]

Religion is faith.
Faith- A strong or justified belief in something which you have evidence for
If the belife is justifed its not faith. Faith and belife are trust that something is true without justifcation or proof. if its justifed and proven it becomes knolwage not belife, not faith. it cant be both..

[Ezzie.]

I'm really starting to doubt there is a "God" Just alot of stuff is odd.... but heh "/ Can't explain it but i dno *shrugs* If God isn't real that means (marylin manson quote) we'd be "a slave to a god that doesn't exist"