Web Design eleite *rantish*

[Mentor]

Ok, There are a few things realy starting to annoy me in this section.

One of the major ones, is the Web design elite, which is basicly a load of people who think there the Best, and flame anyone else who comes along.
Most of you are NOT that GOOD. I am NOT that good, but i DONT clame to be the best? The standard of design on habbox is LOW very LOW, hence why some people get some idea there realy good, Your not...compaired to some Decent designers We all SUCK, BADLY

Accepted there are a FEW very FEW decent designers around, but they are very few and very far between, and rarily appear for the most part...

IS anyone here actaly capable of webdesign?
All i see no days are pictures, Images. They are NOT websites. They are PICTURES. they are no more websites than a picture of a desk is a DESK!

The most important thing in createing a website is being able to code. If you can code an ugly as hell layout you are still WAY WAY WAY better than someone who can make a picture of a realy nice layout, but then is unable to code it, without the help of some **** poor app...
Want to make pictures, go to the graphics forum. This is Web design, Hyper Text Mark up, Not Portable network GRAPHICs, Jpgs and the like.

When i say Code, I mean HTML genraly, i dont mean drag and drop in dream weaver, I mean as in capable of opening notepad and createing a layout from scratch. Pure html/css/javascript.

Weather you prefer to use dreamweaver (its a time saver) is not an issue, I sometimes use it. The question is if you are ACTALY capable of doing it without it.

I can bairly remember the last time i saw a topic in this forum, about webdesign. This thread is for webdesign help, You got stuck with codeing? you Want Some help with an issue. This is the place.

You Want Construive critism? you want to show your layout off. THIS IS NOT the place!
This: http://habboxforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=45 Is where the showing off, critisms and stuff like that go.
Then maybe there will actaly be a thread worth answering in here once in a while.

I keep trying to see the forum from some of the other people here view, but i realy cannot get my head that far up my own ****. Rather than Flameing every n00b who comes here wanting help and boasting about your own crap. Try HELPING them. Its the point of this forum!
I rember back when there were loads of posts by people all atcaly learning html, webdesign, asking for help? how certain effects were achived, questions that can be VERY easly answered and save those learning ALOT of time and effort, which would other wize be wasted.

The people im talking to know who there are, these things have realy been starting to bug me lately. Feel free to Flame away, Complain, or better still agree.

[MattUH]

How long did that post take you :o

[J0shIsBackLol]

And you just spend a part of your life typing that.
I LOLD

[Mentor]

About 2 minutes, im a good ranter :)

And you just spend a part of your life typing that.
I LOLD
Took less time for me to type than it would you to read i think is likly

[Sygon.]

The thing is when showing a layout, no one posts in the graphics section. about layouts there all sigs.

[GommeInc]

I agree completely with your post Mentor.

[Mentor]

Becuse no one posts there, hence no one replys there, if you browse and posts there and others do the same, then people will be useing it


I agree completely with your post Mentor.
Kaintoad love for you ;)

[J0shIsBackLol]

Habbox Forum > Computers + Web Design.
There is a sub-forum for Coding and what not.

[Mentor]

Habbox Forum > Computers + Web Design.
There is a sub-forum for Coding and what not.
Yes webdesign IS codeing, The exstra forum is just idiocy from people with no ideas what there talking about.

I can design a website with no images. But an image can never be a website

[MattUH]

i myself abuse this forum i know i do.

But its one of the most active places and unless we all stop abusing it, no one will do what there meant to =/.

I belive with these new super mods mainly Hiet who will watch this forum more.

[JoeComins]

For all your really intelligent, and have the head size of my waist, you talk alot of crap

[Mentor]

If you provide me with something that makes sence, then i will be able to figure out what your trying to say and respond to it...

[Sygon.]

I think he meant, your clever bewt youi jsut wrote alot of crap

[JoeComins]

Thats what i said.

Obviously you cannot compare idiots on this forum to Craig, Nets and Sygon, so why should we try to?

Idiots repetitvly post the same thing over and over again, so why be nice and encourage them?

Why should people on this forum deny what little skills they have.

[Sygon.]

Thats what i said.

Obviously you cannot compare idiots on this forum to Craig, Nets and Sygon, so why should we try to?

Idiots repetitvly post the same thing over and over again, so why be nice and encourage them?

Why should people on this forum deny what little skills they have.

I know thee toungue of thy joe

[Mentor]

Obviously you cannot compare idiots on this forum to Craig, Nets and Sygon, so why should we try to?
Idiots? So you were blessed with an inate knowlage of webdesign and never had to learn?
I had to learn? so then if you didnt and you still only know as much as you do, i dont think idiots a strong enogh word... If you did learn and are now exspecting others to instanty know then the word fits pretty well...

I rember back when you asked the stupid questions keep in mind.. i answerd them, i didnt just say you are **** at webdesign and give up now...



Idiots repetitvly post the same thing over and over again, so why be nice and encourage them?
News flash: humans are not a collective. Ever worked in tech support? 10 people may have the same problem, and ask for the same help? you need to help all 10, they dont magicly know the answer becuse you already told other people?
Diffent people need the same information..



Why should people on this forum deny what little skills they have.
Why dont people try sharing those skills, which both prove they have it far more convinsly than just being a show off, as well as helping others to gain them..


I think he meant, your clever bewt youi jsut wrote alot of crap
Point out the crap?

[Tomm]

Well said! :) But I do have to admit I use Dreamweaver for complex tables as trying to code a very complex table in pure HTML may get a bit confusing :(

[Sygon.]

Idiots? So you were blessed with an inate knowlage of webdesign and never had to learn?
I had to learn? so then if you didnt and you still only know as much as you do, i dont think idiots a strong enogh word... If you did learn and are now exspecting others to instanty know then the word fits pretty well...

I rember back when you asked the stupid questions keep in mind.. i answerd them, i didnt just say you are **** at webdesign and give up now...


News flash: humans are not a collective. Ever worked in tech support? 10 people may have the same problem, and ask for the same help? you need to help all 10, they dont magicly know the answer becuse you already told other people?
Diffent people need the same information..


Why dont people try sharing those skills, which both prove they have it far more convinsly than just being a show off, as well as helping others to gain them..


Point out the crap?

I wasnt agreeing with what he said i was translating it..

[GommeInc]

My word, the amount of self-obsessed people on this forum is starting to show. Whatever happened to help one another? I remember back in the day when Habbox Forum was, I suppose the correct wording is, a family forum. Where we helped each other and shared views. But now look it, JoeComings a great example. Unhelpful, rude and self-obsessed, you once needed help, so why don't you help the people who need help now?

[JoeComins]

Fair points, but why does one person send the same thing over and over again?

Why do they say how crap other people are, and not expect for someone to say it to them?

Why should we listen to Slixor wineing about how he is better than loads of people on the forum?

Why shouldnt I rant about Slixor (What I meant by idiots) posting that he's better than everyone else on the forum? When he said he was better than Craig and Sygon, thats when I got mardy, as I can remember when Sygon was first starting, and how much Craig has helped me, compared to everyone else on here.

And Mentor, when I first asked about "Expandable Tables" you flammed me. You were saying how thick I was, and if I was to ask questions, to let them be valid.

Some role-model to follow. Find a smart witted come-back now.

[Mentor]

I wasnt agreeing with what he said i was translating it..
sorry, i was responding more to the point made in it, althogh you havent presnted your view on what ive said "/


Well said! :) But I do have to admit I use Dreamweaver for complex tables as trying to code a very complex table in pure HTML may get a bit confusing :(
I try not to use tables much now, but i see no fault in that, after all, its a time saver, makes things simpler. The point is, you could do it without, if you needed to, may take longer and a bit more thinking, but you know the code behind it and how it works "/

[MattUH]

if your on about my post please ignore it.

[Sygon.]

Ok lets see, i remember when i first started out on habbox, i knew nothing, andheresmy first ever layout i made, brace your selves its bad.

http://www.****************/uploads/8816ac975e.jpg (http://www.****************)

Ok i made it, but the thing is i didnt go ripping others layouts, its by him saying he is better than people which is as you stated 'idiots' behaviour.
Thats 'self obsessed' when he is clearly not better than craig.

[JoeComins]

My word, the amount of self-obsessed people on this forum is starting to show. Whatever happened to help one another? I remember back in the day when Habbox Forum was, I suppose the correct wording is, a family forum. Where we helped each other and shared views. But now look it, JoeComings a great example. Unhelpful, rude and self-obsessed, you once needed help, so why don't you help the people who need help now?
I dont see the point in helping, as when I try and tell someone something, you get the other people telling you your wrong, and if you want to help, you need to stop being crap and all that ****. Ive had it on every forum Ive been on.

The people who need help now want everything done for them, like ''Make me a site. Ill pay 2 HC's'' or ''I need a site. I can do a bit of writing, but I need webdesigners, web-coders, alterations, pixel artists, new reporters etc,etc,etc''

And Gomme, if you dont like my new found attitude, think about this.

Even if you got everyone out of poverty in the world, and gave them places like ours, home and all, we would run out of food, and there wouldnt be enough space, and everything on the planet would die out. Now, people are still living, and the world is turning.

Not everything can be fair, equal, and I cannot be nice to idiots. Thats Life

[Mentor]

Fair points, but why does one person send the same thing over and over again?
You can easly forgot, diging up and reposting isnt hard to do "/


Why do they say how crap other people are, and not expect for someone to say it to them?
A good question, kinda what i was asking you...
You may want to note, i often say a method of doing something is stupid, an idea is stupid, and actaion was stupid, i rairly say a person is stupid unless they enter an argument with me, and display conclusivly they are..



Why should we listen to Slixor wineing about how he is better than loads of people on the forum?
why does the forum have to listen to you wineing about slixor...



Why shouldnt I rant about Slixor (What I meant by idiots) posting that he's better than everyone else on the forum? When he said he was better than Craig and Sygon, thats when I got mardy, as I can remember when Sygon was first starting, and how much Craig has helped me, compared to everyone else on here.
Prove your better, dont just insult



And Mentor, when I first asked about "Expandable Tables" you flammed me. You were saying how thick I was, and if I was to ask questions, to let them be valid.
Exspandable tables were a n00b fad, brought on by ignorance, there a stupid idea and a idiotic consept. Doesnt mean you have to be stupid to think there real, just ignorant.
And only a very ignorant person thinks ignorant is an insult..


Some role-model to follow. Find a smart witted come-back now.
When have i ever clames to be a role modle? never lown a good one

[Jack.tar.gz]

i agree with you, i think, but to be honest, ive never even used dreamweaver and i can code html, im just lazy, i dont use photoshop either or any of those ****ty imageready slices, i code properly when i have to, but to be honest, i know wat joe means aswell, everyday is see one topic saying, can someone code this layout for me or can someone pay for hosting and domain so i can start a site...i dont think that made anysense at all but oh well

[Sygon.]

You can easly forgot, diging up and reposting isnt hard to do "/

A good question, kinda what i was asking you...
You may want to note, i often say a method of doing something is stupid, an idea is stupid, and actaion was stupid, i rairly say a person is stupid unless they enter an argument with me, and display conclusivly they are..


why does the forum have to listen to you wineing about slixor...


Prove your better, dont just insult


Exspandable tables were a n00b fad, brought on by ignorance, there a stupid idea and a idiotic consept. Doesnt mean you have to be stupid to think there real, just ignorant.
And only a very ignorant person thinks ignorant is an insult..


When have i ever clames to be a role modle? never lown a good one

By he stating that your a role model, it means you are because if yourposting this thread your telling others to abide by what you have wrote, which makes you a ' role mode '

[MattUH]

By he stating that your a role model, it means you are because if yourposting this thread your telling others to abide by what you have wrote, which makes you a ' role mode '

Or that someone likes mentor and would like to become alike him for many reasons

- Great friend
- Good coder
- Good designer
and that ect.. :)

[JoeComins]

Lets face it, people (use to) look up to you. How can you flame someone, and not expect them to think, "Well if he's doing it, why not."

Ignorance is a lack of knowledge. Instead of flaming them, why not help them, seen as you seem so keen to help everyone all the time.

[MattUH]

he does in his own way.

thybag has some tutorials and help on forum.

[Mentor]

Ok lets see, i remember when i first started out on habbox, i knew nothing, andheresmy first ever layout i made, brace your selves its bad.

http://www.****************/uploads/8816ac975e.jpg (http://www.****************)

Ok i made it, but the thing is i didnt go ripping others layouts, its by him saying he is better than people which is as you stated 'idiots' behaviour.
Thats 'self obsessed' when he is clearly not better than craig.
Its not bad, its an image not a layout thogh, none the less, a sepertae issue from the "Elite insulters" and im not sure if i made it clear.
Images and layouts are not the same thing, Makeing images is skill with graphics Not Webdesign, So webdesign wize i cant even rate it, becuse its not webdesign..

The People who think there better than everyone else is a sepertae issuse, you dont need to flame people? think of the long running Ripped comic this form held? a subtle link to a certain comic site did all that was needed there :)


I dont see the point in helping, as when I try and tell someone something, you get the other people telling you your wrong, and if you want to help, you need to stop being crap and all that ****. Ive had it on every forum Ive been on.
consider a few options.
1) maybe you are wrong
2) maybe your both right.
3) diffent people have diffent opinions, and diffent ways of doing things

Becuse people wernt helpful to you always doesnt mean you shoudlnt be helpful to other people.



The people who need help now want everything done for them, like ''Make me a site. Ill pay 2 HC's'' or ''I need a site. I can do a bit of writing, but I need webdesigners, web-coders, alterations, pixel artists, new reporters etc,etc,etc''
It wasnt long ago, people could post codeing requests without offering pay and actaly get them done...

Most site owners cant code, And personly im glad of it, Id be out of a job if they could...



And Gomme, if you dont like my new found attitude, think about this.

Even if you got everyone out of poverty in the world, and gave them places like ours, home and all, we would run out of food, and there wouldnt be enough space, and everything on the planet would die out. Now, people are still living, and the world is turning.
Misconsetipon. BY rasieng the standard of liveing dramticly, would only requre an evening out of the welth, The exstra aria to exspland in to and the better links between contarys caused would cause a rappid groth in industry and technolgy, Farming methods would be improved increaeing productivly a 100 fold in many of the woulds cenral farming arias, Enogh food.
The world is huge, people pack in to tiny arias, spread them out theres more than enogh room.



Not everything can be fair, equal, and I cannot be nice to idiots. Thats Life

Im considering a new polciy, Quite a biblcal one in fact. "do on to others as youd have them do on to you"

Which bascily means ill help people in the same way they help others, you just tell people there stuff is crap, i will just tell you yours is. You offer help and contrsuive cristisim, Ill do them same.
And that would apply to everyone..

[GommeInc]

I dont see the point in helping, as when I try and tell someone something, you get the other people telling you your wrong, and if you want to help, you need to stop being crap and all that ****. Ive had it on every forum Ive been on.
Hmmm, seems very unlikely they will start ranting and screaming at you. Unless they all share an angry attitude towards people. If they do have a go then all you need to do is merely say "Well this is how I do it, and it works. So how can it be crap?" Or maybe your way doesn't work but you only think that it does, so maybe you did deserve to be told off and you take it to heart too easily.


The people who need help now want everything done for them, like ''Make me a site. Ill pay 2 HC's'' or ''I need a site. I can do a bit of writing, but I need webdesigners, web-coders, alterations, pixel artists, new reporters etc,etc,etc''
Isn't that how you make a Website Team? Ask for people to help out and if it becomes good, it was a group effort. And if they are willing to pay for a website layout to be made, then that is reasonable. If they are not willing to put any effort into the site and want you to make the whole site, then tell them no. It is going to be their site and it is them who will be getting all the praise, not you. So just say it is a bad idea. No need to shout and yell. Let the dumb webdesigners waste their time making a whole site for someone, you don't have to.

And Gomme, if you dont like my new found attitude, think about this.



Even if you got everyone out of poverty in the world, and gave them places like ours, home and all, we would run out of food, and there wouldnt be enough space, and everything on the planet would die out. Now, people are still living, and the world is turning.
This is web design? I can't see how it fits in. Besides, if Third World countries suffering in poverty came out of suffering, how would we be the ones suffering? If they are out of poverty that means they are in a self-sustaining environment. They wouldn't be out of poverty if they still got food from MEDC's.



Not everything can be fair, equal, and I cannot be nice to idiots. Thats Life
Fair enough, but you must be a very angry person to hate anything considered an idiot.

[MattUH]

whats with you and Mentor with these mega long posts?

[GommeInc]

Proving a point ;)

[JoeComins]

Im considering a new polciy, Quite a biblcal one in fact. "do on to others as youd have them do on to you"

Which bascily means ill help people in the same way they help others, you just tell people there stuff is crap, i will just tell you yours is. You offer help and contrsuive cristisim, Ill do them same.
And that would apply to everyone..

Then you are at the start of the vicious triangle.

You flamed me for a misconception about expandable tables, and didnt really help me that much. You just showed off, saying things I didnt understand. So thats the not helping others. Why should I help others if only 2 people eveyr helped me.

On this forum, your flamed me, and when I asked for critism, you say things like "9/10 - good." or "Its only an image, Why should I rate it"
What would be the point in making it into a site if people thought it was crap.

[GommeInc]

Then you are at the start of the vicious triangle.

You flamed me for a misconception about expandable tables, and didnt really help me that much. You just showed off, saying things I didnt understand. So thats the not helping others. Why should I help others if only 2 people eveyr helped me.

On this forum, your flamed me, and when I asked for critism, you say things like "9/10 - good." or "Its only an image, Why should I rate it"
What would be the point in making it into a site if people thought it was crap.
You seem to like sticking around the same point for a while. Life is life as you said. So what if Mentor flamed you for something, you didn't have to listen to him :rolleyes:.

You can help others, if you don't want to, don't. You don't have to reply to every topic asking for help and flame them...

[Sygon.]

Then you are at the start of the vicious triangle.

You flamed me for a misconception about expandable tables, and didnt really help me that much. You just showed off, saying things I didnt understand. So thats the not helping others. Why should I help others if only 2 people eveyr helped me.

On this forum, your flamed me, and when I asked for critism, you say things like "9/10 - good." or "Its only an image, Why should I rate it"
What would be the point in making it into a site if people thought it was crap.

Also makign images is makign a website, its the visual appeaance, therefor it coutns as webdesign.

[Mentor]

By he stating that your a role model, it means you are because if yourposting this thread your telling others to abide by what you have wrote, which makes you a ' role mode '
I offer an alternaive view point, Im not trying to get people to follow me. Im trying to get them to see everything in a diffent light, and maybe see the logic behind it is better than what there already doing.
if i tell people a trick for there 9 times table, that doesnt make me a role modle, i just suggested another method of doing thing..


he does in his own way.

thybag has some tutorials and help on forum.
It is true, i put alot more effort in to helping people on thybag than i do on habbox "/ same for most people who ask nicely insted of just demaning stuff "/


Lets face it, people (use to) look up to you. How can you flame someone, and not expect them to think, "Well if he's doing it, why not."

I usealy give people more credit than i exstent to sheep "/

Question: if some n00b had posted this, how would you react?



Ignorance is a lack of knowledge. Instead of flaming them, why not help them, seen as you seem so keen to help everyone all the time.
... Ok....
1) i very very rairly post my own work or ask for help here.
2) this is a help forum for webdesign.

If i didnt want to help people why the hell do you think i use this forum for?



Then you are at the start of the vicious triangle.
So if you think ive done wrong? why the hell are you trying to justifey doing the same?



You flamed me for a misconception about expandable tables, and didnt really help me that much. You just showed off, saying things I didnt understand. So thats the not helping others. Why should I help others if only 2 people eveyr helped me.
I insulted the idea of the tables, and exsplained why. The correct reaction would be to ask normal tables. The only time i get annoyed when people mention it, if is they clame they do know tables, which is then obvios there lieing about..



On this forum, your flamed me, and when I asked for critism, you say things like "9/10 - good." or "Its only an image, Why should I rate it"
What would be the point in making it into a site if people thought it was crap.
http://maddox.xmission.com/ that site gets over a million hits a day, its hilaursly funny, and i use it often? Do you realy think that layout is good?
Layouts arnt essental to a good website, I rate websites, which is the codeing, the website, not a pretty picture, want to do consept art? fine? see who likes em best in a graphics forum.

Refuse to do that? at least use the right forum to show them off, the show off your websites forum...



Also makign images is makign a website, its the visual appeaance, therefor it coutns as webdesign.
But still dosnt need support and hence goes in the show of your websites forum still...

[MattUH]

i almost feel sorry for Joe. having you all attacking him ;o

[JoeComins]

If everyone was equal, and had the same things, then we would run out of resources.

Why should I waste my time helping people when only 2 people helped me, when I could be trying to improve myself so I didnt get flamed all the time?

Do you hate people who constantly annoy you? Do you hate bees that sting you, and not the guy covered in honey next to you? Do you hate Nelly for knowing very little?

And for the me being wrong whatever I say when trying to help, if a 5 year old gets 4x8 wrong, do you tell it off. Do you scream bloody murder because he has troubles with adding? And why would putting orange squash in a glass before the water, even though someone else doesnt do it the same as you be wrong?

[Sygon.]

i almost feel sorry for Joe. having you all attacking him ;o

there not attacking him, were jhaving a friendly debate

[JoeComins]

Carl, Maybe you do judge sites on their coding, but then how many people uderstand the coding and look at that before the design?

I really can't be arsed to argue with you. I know I was right to defend Sygon and Craig, and their reputations against Slixor, when he was claiming to be better than them. They have worked hard to develop their skills, so why not defend them

[Mentor]

And for the me being wrong whatever I say when trying to help, if a 5 year old gets 4x8 wrong, do you tell it off. Do you scream bloody murder because he has troubles with adding? And why would putting orange squash in a glass before the water, even though someone else doesnt do it the same as you be wrong?
:) i belive that point was the one i made, Im gald you agree with me. You were the one dissagreeing with the fact early if you look.

The rest of the post simply wasnt worth answering

[Sygon.]

Also, carl you design webdesigning by coding (i.e html)

But thats not true its a multiple of things

Coding - Html etc. css
Design
Marketing
SEO

So how can u dictate what goes on in here?

[JoeComins]

Yet you seem to think that you can discourage people for saying ''expandable tables'' and that other people have the right to tell me off when I'm wrong

[MattUH]

im really confused about this now. :s

[Sygon.]

As if you said,

if people do come here tolkearn why abusejoe about using expandable tables and give him a lecture without helping, surely wouldnt someone who HELPED people wouldjust tlewlhim how to do it

[Slixor]

im really confused about this now. :s

Same xD

[Mentor]

Yet you seem to think that you can discourage people for saying ''expandable tables'' and that other people have the right to tell me off when I'm wrong
I discorage the use of incorrect words, That way people dont make themselfs sound stupid when there trying to act smart, like children with sware words alot..
I also dicoraged misuse of the word n00b and a hole host of other things


Also, carl you design webdesigning by coding (i.e html)

But thats not true its a multiple of things

Coding - Html etc. css
Design
Marketing
SEO

So how can u dictate what goes on in here?
not realy, most of them are diffent stages of deveopment.
Design is the creation of the sites, Working out how they work, and putting them together, prototypes etc.

Marketing is after you have a site (u could go prementive but unless you have a corporate buget dont bother)

Plus SEO is the codeing how do you sepertate it? You cant SEO in any other way...

[Sygon.]

I discorage the use of incorrect words, That way people dont make themselfs sound stupid when there trying to act smart, like children with sware words alot..
I also dicoraged misuse of the word n00b and a hole host of other things


not realy, most of them are diffent stages of deveopment.
Design is the creation of the sites, Working out how they work, and putting them together, prototypes etc.

Marketing is after you have a site (u could go prementive but unless you have a corporate buget dont bother)

Plus SEO is the codeing how do you sepertate it? You cant SEO in any other way...

Your not getting mypoint, all of those make the website, complete, that is web design so that DOES deserve to be in here, graphics like signatures isnt web design, templates is.

[Splinter]

Yep ive thought this for ages.. its kinda stupid.. especially the amount of people starting up their own web design business "/

[Sygon.]

Yep ive thought this for ages.. its kinda stupid.. especially the amount of people starting up their own web design business "/

Whats stupid about people strating thewir own web buisness?

[Mentor]

Your not getting mypoint, all of those make the website, complete, that is web design so that DOES deserve to be in here, graphics like signatures isnt web design, templates is.

Also thybag has never ever engadged in any formal marketing...


A template is some form of device to provide a separation of form or structure from content.
Images dont fit that description....

[MattUH]

Same xD
Yeah i got the first 4 pages then i was lost :s

--

I do think there is too many "hosting websites" now. whats with that?
Along with resellers selling them, if we wanted them we would buy them ourself :\

[JoeComins]

-JT- Tornado Designs
Sygon - Creative Concepts

Their not business'. They're websites to earn a bit of "pocket money"

[Mentor]

So you dont have a bisness, you just avoid paying tax and make money illgaly?

[JoeComins]

Also thybag has never ever engadged in any formal marketing...


Hence 566 memebrs in how many years?

[MattUH]

i didint mean them.

[Sygon.]

Also thybag has never ever engadged in any formal marketing...


Images dont fit that description....

Your sidetracking now carl, marketing is still part of web design, if you cant give me a real answer, let down your pride and say for once you are right.
if not isnt that what you called ' over obsessed' ?

[JoeComins]

So you dont have a bisness, you just avoid paying tax and make money illgaly?
Tax is not applicable on the amount of money that you'd make from it.

As I said, they are not business', thank god

[Sygon.]

Hence 566 memebrs in how many years?

formal as in like paying to post, informal as in link in signatures etc. joe

[D3stroyer]

I have missed out reading and skimming most posts, so forgive me if this post has already been posted, because i thnkk the thread turned into an argument, when he was clearly trying to prove his point and how sick he is getting over some pathetic bone-idle stuckup twits on this forum thinking there better than everyone, I mean sygon, i respect you NO matter what anyone sais what you think of me what anyone thinks of me, no matter what ure designs or coding is like i respect you for you, and not for your 'images' even if you hate me now, Nets, i don't think puts as much effort into webdesign anymore after taking his role on as Moderator then Super moderator.

Plus, Habbox Forum is Habbo fansite just with a technical forum for webdesign it isn't meant to be getting like 14-18 viewers at a time but it does mostly because of bone-idle people messaging everyone on there msn trying to tell them to view a thread about there leet design or "image" as mentor calls. Am i right in saying, Stop using habbox as it, i've realised that it's for Habbo so stop using Sierks Bandwith and i can tell you over 100gbs is used per week, thats from chris himself just from this side of the forum. Google is a great search engine allot of people say it but you can find whatever you want on it, just search graphics forum or webdesign forum and bloody go there and post your graphics and let's stick to what Mentor has been saying about just keeping it to questions even if it's just the basics like " How would i stop my div from overflowing in css" Answer: " Hey dude, You would use overflow ; hidden" thats all it takes to be nice to people.

I've got a perfect example of someone trying to get attention and trying to get rep and act hard on the internet is pathetic, olleh in a radiopanel thread was arguing with me about radiopanels and kept going on about what i wasn't even talking about around 20 of the posts by me was trying to point out how pathetic he was being.

So have in saying that feel free to bad rep me, and i know im not respected and im hated and you wont take notice but it's the truth.

[Splinter]

Starting a webdesign business so early is like starting a Law Firm when you only know afew laws or only bits of the law..

[JoeComins]

I know. Thats what I mean. He hasnt paid for advertisments to get his site popular. Thats why he has got 566 members in a number of years.

And how many people see your site, and think, "OO - thats a nice PHP script. He must has put alot of time into that. Lets stay!"

People make up their mind in under 3 seconds. If they dont like the look, its not likely they'll stay

[Mentor]

Your sidetracking now carl, marketing is still part of web design, if you cant give me a real answer, let down your pride and say for once you are right.
if not isnt that what you called ' over obsessed' ?
Side tracking? by pointing out marketing isnt a consideration requred in webdesign, unless you have a persific need?
Your comment is realy obscure and not makeing much sence whered "over obsessed" come from?

[MattUH]

im not taking side but thybag could do with a large make-over.

It does put me of going there, but theres some good content

[JoeComins]

And from the money that Sierk makes per year from the site, and how little he pays to the staff, why should we think about the size of his wallet?

[Mentor]

im not taking side but thybag could do with a large make-over.

It does put me of going there, but theres some good content
There is one underway, althogh its visualy not going to be a massive change, the images will change only to neaten them up etc. Most of the change IS in the code.
The user system will be dramatically more advanced, and the layout is a compleate w3 standardized css / html, there will also be a great deal more contnent added, alot more user interaction to.

althogh thats all offtopic :)

[MattUH]

what does sierk have to do with this?
As long as he is willing to pay for better hosting, more people will abuse it :\

[D3stroyer]

And from the money that Sierk makes per year from the site, and how little he pays to the staff, why should we think about the size of his wallet?
Actually he pays the staff nothing , and i wasn't saying to think about his "wallet" i just meant about how much the spam and waste of space is being posted in this forum.

[MattUH]

As long as he is willing to pay for better hosting, more people will abuse it :\

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Cant wait then Mentor, i see im still staff as a news reporter.

[Sygon.]

Starting a webdesign business so early is like starting a Law Firm when you only know afew laws or only bits of the law..

Doesnt mean anything charlie, howd u think people who do it for a living aresogreat today? Because they experienced it, they learnt it so how can u say something to stop themdoing so?

@ Mentor, if you read all my posts properly, im cleary stating of what i stated that they are related to webdesign when first you said it isnt needed in webdesign, true but you can still post about it asd its a feature in web design as layouts is,

@ Track, i think carl hasnt realised that aspect yet as hes concentrating on 'coding', i love thybag too but mentor realise this, whether you like it or not templates are part of web design/.

[MattUH]

Yeh i guess.

oh and its Roar. ;)

[Sygon.]

Yeh i guess.

oh and its Roar. ;)
sorry 'roar' i like track better :)

[MattUH]

i do but knowing my luck i cant have a name change =/

[Mentor]

@ Mentor, if you read all my posts properly, im cleary stating of what i stated that they are related to webdesign when first you said it isnt needed in webdesign, true but you can still post about it asd its a feature in web design as layouts is,
i had 2 hours sleep last night, and not much more the previos one, Im not at my most alert.
Alot of this has decened in to issues complaty unrealted to what im trying to say, and in to the nitty gritty crap no one actaly gives a **** about.

We have to Forums for this.
> Website designing
> Show Off Your Website Here - Including Habbo Fansites.

Web Design, is for help with web design
Show Off Your Website Here - is for showing off sites you've made.

An image of finished site, Belonds in the Show off section. Thats the section you post in, to show somthing off, AND get constructive critisim on it.

that was my primary point. Since then the webdesign forum can actaly be used for helping people once more.

We ok this far? What webdesign actaly is has been debated by webmaster and designers for years, and hasnt come to any clear conclusions. Where not gona do any better.

I code, because im good at that, and i Suck at graphics, and i do mean realy suck. Hence why my sites graphics suck.
[/QUOTE]

[Sygon.]

We have to Forums for this.
> Website designing
> Show Off Your Website Here - Including Habbo Fansites.

Web Design, is for help with web design
Show Off Your Website Here - is for showing off sites you've made.

An image of finished site, Belonds in the Show off section. Thats the section you post in, to show somthing off, AND get constructive critisim on it.

that was my primary point. Since then the webdesign forum can actaly be used for helping people once more.

[/quote]

Thats what i agree on, but i didntlike how at first u made layouts not in web design, also i talked about markerting and seo to show u there part of web design like layouts are.

[Dan Williamson.]

Also, carl you design webdesigning by coding (i.e html)

But thats not true its a multiple of things

Coding - Html etc. css
Design
Marketing
SEO

So how can u dictate what goes on in here?

Sygon I have to say your wrong actually.

Web Marketing

This includes the SEO type work as well as PPC and free advertisements and any other way to get your SERP's up and get a above P4 Page Rank SEO isn't just about that though and neither is marketing there is a huge marketing section on http://v7n.com/forums ask them what web marketing is and they will tell you what it's all about it has nothing to do with the design, you could advertise a ****** .tk site well enough without any design basis.

If you want actual website design it includes the basis of Design which isn't important and the implementation of code and web standards as well as accessability and usability.

Web development is the one in general and I have to say no-one on this forum is a good web developer, nor a good web designer as I don't know anyone who can sufficiantly put code and design together apart from perhaps Carl and Josh, Charlies good but I think he's left.

The Web design section was so much better when people who had a passion for un-habbo related issues were on here like Carl, Josh, James, Mike, Charlie and many others who actually new how to write a valid tag of HTML and now what the **** Notepad was instead of Dreamweaver.

I don't really care about the pointless threads saying 'check this layout it's cool' I would love to see someone on this forum get their layout onto a proper design site for example boxed art or get reviewed by people who will not be nice and will be constructivly critical. You all need to take a reality check and chill the **** out it'll never happen with your attitude towards everything.

Carl I agree with the thread and I needed to blow off some steam

[craigg.]

I have missed out most of this argument/debation what ever you will like to call it (Jargon in my terms) but nevertheless, I do agree with Carl in a way, posting images is fine to an extent, but if it is a finished version, then it should possibly go into the show off section. If the design itself is a working progress, however, I feel that it should go into the design section (as it is still in its design stage). As they have done previously, they should make a "Buy or sell" sub forum in this section as it too is taking over the web design, although the problem mainly for the selling may be down to Joe, Syi and myself.

I seen a part whilst I was skim reading was about the fact that the family feeling has gone - This is the reason why I normally stick to cheap fansites is because you feel welcomed and since all that has changed, you are critisized 90% on your work you produce, but, about 1/2 year(s) ago I would say that you would get comment you could improve upon and what comments you like, and if you didn't understand a question, a more knowledgable user would reply using quotations or snippets of the code that may help the person out.

I don't mean this in a hard nor hurtfull way to any member on this forum but most of people are like robots, someone posts a thread about selling an item, the usual reply would be "nice work" - end of discussion, yet a year or so ago a user would pick out bits they like as I have said previously.

Web master forums are currently like this forum, full of people that post the same thing over and over again, except they like to compete with each other, and when they think they have made a good piece of work, they try to put other people down and making the buyer or potential customer pick them over the others. This forum has lost its passion towards website design and is more so towards the "fame" and the popularity of the forum.

All my words are to conclude is; Take pride in your work.

[Sygon.]

Welcome back craig & dan missed you <3

[Wootzeh]

I'm just randomly popping in. Hi.
Edited by Nets (Super Moderator): Don't post pointlessly.

[Css]

Carl is correct though, an uncoded layout is classed as a graphic, therefore if you want it rated post it in the GRAPHICS section, i havent even bothered to read and page past page 1, because Carl is correct, full stop.

=]

[Jamie.]

I agree completely with your post Mentor.
yeh and me :P

[retrocore]

omg i donu hwo tow splle!!!!!!!!!!111

Edited by Nets (Super Moderator): Don't post pointlessly.

[Sam]

Ok Ok,

To be honest Carl and Joe are both right. If i was being myself i would stick with joe about the ranting at noobs part of this thread, but logically it is correct to help those who need it. If no-one helped me then i wouldnt be where i am today, allthough the constant repetetiveness of threads can become annoying, most people who need help arent going to browse 30 odd pages of threads to find answers.

This seems basic but its true, break up Webdesign. "Website Designing". This obviously includes the template as it is part of the design of the website, but i've noticed some people Post about 3 threads on there layout such as "Uber l337 layout, UNFINISHED" then "Uber l337 layout NEARLY FINISHED!" then "My super layout is finished!" We are all aware of the noobishness of nelly and we all hope he never returns.

I remember when i posted about how to use dreamweaver, allthough it was noobish i recieved not a single reply actually helping, just flaming. Thank god those days have passed =]

If your going to stay and browse this forum you have to put up with the idiots who post repetitive **** and stuff. I think most use habbox because most of the community ARE NOOBS. If a noob went on sitepoint and posted What is cPanel, or What is HTML, they would most likely get flamed as it is aimed at proffessionals, people's lack of patience is irritating, like mine, but that doesnt escape the fact =]

[Css]

Retro is that mocking Carl?

[retrocore]

nwo sti treu i cnta splel

[Css]

Dude stop acting like an ***

[MattUH]

retro your not cool.

Your just a ****ing *** whole go die.

[retrocore]

waht hvea i doen wroeng?

[MattUH]

do you really think your funny?

[Mentor]

Everyones divided on the issue, and its not really a surprise, if there wasn't the issue, there wouldn't have been a rant to start with "/

Some agree, others dont. my main want is to clear the crap of people just showing off pictures out of the web design forum and actaly let something realted to it in to it.. hence maybe letting it forfil its purpos, which it hasnt done in quite some time now "/

[retrocore]

mentor shut the **** up you bigheaded *****, if people want to post in the webdesigning section they willl. graphics, code and seo are all part of webdesign, hence why it comes under webdesign ********

[craigg.]

Retro, you are wrong as the name is clearly web design. Web site design is a web site which is clearly in there webdesign stage, therefore coding and other addition to a design would be showing off your web site creation. (as it would be a finished project)

[Rob]

Well said Mentor. I'm also sick of people who keep posting about Radio's/Radio Panels. I think maybe there should be a category for Website Scripts atleast.

Rob

[MattUH]

Website Graphics

For layouts,banners ect. =)

[Rob]

Website Graphics

For layouts,banners ect. =)

Yeah, I think that's an alright idea.

Rob

[Css]

Lets protest to egt a new subforum in the Webdesign section made.

Website Graphics - Layouts, banners logos!

[Rob]

Lets protest to egt a new subforum in the Webdesign section made.

Website Graphics - Layouts, banners logos!
Maybe we should start a petition. So, let's say, if we get 30 names, we'll submit it to one of the Admins. We can send the petition round by a PM or even make a thread.

Rob

[timROGERS]

*cough* Retrocore *cough*

[Dan Williamson.]

mentor shut the **** up you bigheaded *****, if people want to post in the webdesigning section they willl. graphics, code and seo are all part of webdesign, hence why it comes under webdesign ********

You sir. Are a noob.

[Css]

^

Amen

[JoeComins]

Great post Dan.

Is it just me that finds this ironic. The thread which isnt asking for help, or giving help as Carl said this section should be for, has reciveved one of the highest number of replies I've seen in the webdesign section for a long time.

I use the long page option, so I had 40 posts per page, and I have 3 full pages ''/

[Sam]

Not being mean, but theres so many rants nowadays theres another idea for a subcategory on discusss anything.

Rants