Equality - Does it exist?

[Tash.]

Just been discussing this with someone on msn, they dont think that women and men are equal or that they should be. I think the opposite of that.. I think that they definitely should be equal. I don't think they are right now, not completely, but it's getting there. What do you think?

[sarey]

Men are physically stronger i believe.. cause they kinda are.
But some women are stronger physically too.
Same with emotionally. I dont think women and men should be equal because people need to be independant and have different skills, better or worse than others.

[Kasabian]

If a girl wants to be good at...football(as an example), They have to train and train for years, but men just pick it up and learn it in a matter of days.

Men are phiscally stronger, but women are emotionally stronger.

[Craig]

Woman aren't emotionally stronger if you think about it.

No it will never exist because it simply cant happen. Not being sexist but it's just not likely to happen. Because of our Nation and also because of the different way women and males develop.

[sarey]

Some are Craig.
And Craigs right, it wont happen, cause thats how this world is, no ones exactly equal, everyone has skills that their weak at, and strong at.

[Tash.]

I also meant in opportunities. Like for example, many women cant get into high paid jobs or high positions in a job, because the people who are at the top are scared that a woman will go and have a baby and not come back. Therefore, they see them as a waste of their time, money and training. I don't think that this is right.

[sarey]

That aint right.. i thought u meant emotionally/physically lol.

[Craig]

Women to get to the top need to train alot which some get bored of and would rather do a job they'd enjoy. Also a factor of the bosses at the top is whether they are intending to have a baby or wether they can do as much work as a male. Again not being sexist but in most cases men can do better physical work than females, and men also aren't put off by certain aspects of a job like say having to move something that smells etc.

[sarey]

Yeah, I know men are physically stronger, in some cases. But some women are stronger physically too. Like in wrestling.

[PaintYourTarget]

I also meant in opportunities. Like for example, many women cant get into high paid jobs or high positions in a job, because the people who are at the top are scared that a woman will go and have a baby and not come back. Therefore, they see them as a waste of their time, money and training. I don't think that this is right.
From a business point of view, that is correct. Why waste your money training a woman who will then go and get pregnant and need time off, causing you to spend more money advertising for a temporary replacement, when a man cuts all that out?

[FlyingJesus]

As I've said before, men are physically stronger (in general) and also in my opinion stronger emotionally. You could argue that men hide their emotions which makes them emotionally weaker, but surely letting your emotions rule you (the opposite) is a weakness.

About work opportunities, if a business decides not to take on a woman because she's likely to have children (married, no children, 20's-30's) then that's a good business decision, it's not unfair on the woman. It's unfair on men that these days companies have guidelines of what proportion of men/women is acceptable, which can hinder an over-qualified male from getting a job if the company has a lack of female workers.

Let's say a man and a woman both go up for the same promotion. They are equally skilled and qualified, but there is only one place. If the woman gets the job, it's called "equal opportunities", but if the man gets the job it's called sexist... where women once wanted equality, they now work toward superiority, despite scientifically being the weaker sex.

[FlyingJesus]

Edit: Sorry double post

[Tash.]

Fair enough.. but not all women want children. Now because of this attitude, even those who don't can't get into these jobs because they just presume they do. It's technically called the 'glass ceiling', where women can get so high in industry and in their careers but then no further.

[sarey]

Lol, flying, you double posted by accident. I think 0.0
But like i said before, some people are emotionally stronger/physically stronger in both female and male, and same too with weaker in emotions/physical state. Just about the balances and how different people cope emotionally. And in stronger physically, about the balances of who is more an outgoing excercising ect ect person.

[Craig]

From a business point of view, that is correct. Why waste your money training a woman who will then go and get pregnant and need time off, causing you to spend more money advertising for a temporary replacement, when a man cuts all that out?

Also you need to pay for Maternity leave aswell. And need to re-hire someone for like 5-9 months aswell :rolleyes:

[arouse]

Unfortunately, as life has gone on, thats how it has been. I dont see it changing any time soon. Women & Men should be equal in someways, but not in others.

[PaintYourTarget]

Also you need to pay for Maternity leave aswell. And need to re-hire someone for like 5-9 months aswell :rolleyes:
I wasn't sure whether Maternity pay was enforced or optional so...
Yeah, why pay for 2 sets of wages when you only have the one staff working?

[sarey]

Well, my cousin was on maternity leave, and she didnt have too pay for anything.

[FlyingJesus]

Of course there are acceptions, but generally men are better workers. They are (and remember these are generalisations) physically stronger and so can work longer, have less boundaries as to what they'll do, have better leadership skills inherited from our tribal ancestors, are less empathetic/more ruthless which makes for a better businessman, and all that women have as a bonus is that as a front they are often seen as more trustworthy by a customer, and the fact that they can get on their knees and open wide for a promotion.

[PaintYourTarget]

Well, my cousin was on maternity leave, and she didnt have too pay for anything.
Lmao. A blonde moment? On maternity leave, you get paid your normal wages.

[sarey]

Lmao. A blonde moment? On maternity leave, you get paid your normal wages.

Not always your normal pay, sometimes its half your pay, depends on who you work for.
And im brunette :'(

[JT-Fan]

Fair enough.. but not all women want children. Now because of this attitude, even those who don't can't get into these jobs because they just presume they do. It's technically called the 'glass ceiling', where women can get so high in industry and in their careers but then no further.

I mean career is more important than having kids, asin much much more important. Well thats me rofl.

[Mentor]

Just been discussing this with someone on msn, they dont think that women and men are equal or that they should be. I think the opposite of that.. I think that they definitely should be equal. I don't think they are right now, not completely, but it's getting there. What do you think?
Well its really more an issue with the ideas of PC defeating there own point, Many valid arguments now are used incorrectly and illogically, and cause problems instead of fixing them.
Men and Woman are NOT the same, Anyone with eyes can probaly confirm this for you, there are quite a few very obvious differences, both mentally and physically.
The problem today is now where the ideas of equality have been pushed over there boundary, Instead of getting rid of social propaganda induced understanding, ideas of men and woman's places which really had no basics in reality and were just reflections of society's byass, now alot of the time its trying to attack facts, which unsurprising dont change, which is where alot of the problems stem from.

Depending on what side of the aurgument you come from, the issues are very different, and often tend to be quite hypocritical.
Alot of "femininist's" for example tend to destroy alot of what historicaly the movment fought for. After fighting for equalty, useing a web based exsample, most want to be called webmistruss's or what ever, Even thogh they history comapinged for the right to be called webmasters which would be the equal stand point.

Socaly it is unacceptable to hit a woman, yet accepble by most to hit a man.
That is a strong exsample of how unequal the genders are in socal view. Alot of that is pretty much bull****. But no one chalenges this.
Insted they chalenge why say empolyers pay men more than they do woman?
Although this one actaly has valid reasoning, female employes cost more than male empoly's. Theres a rediculus amount of evidance proveing this, and it easy easly demostarted by looking at plainly obvios facts. Yet this is chalenged, even thogh if men and woman WERE equal, it would be acceped. If there was equalty, whom ever cost a company more to emply would be payed less in wages to make up for the loss's they would likly incur.

The socal byass about hitting woman on the other hand, is groundless, and is definate inqualty in the eyes of society, not in reality. Yet that remains compleaty unchalenged or unbothered by most.

Society is not equal, and probaly never will be, a major reason for this is simply that where not clones, where not a collective interligence, we are each independant beings who act on our own accord, So for equlaty to truley exist a much more indveridualed idea of socal workings would be requred "/


ps. As a side note, the career over children attitiude today is actaly whipeing out are population, more than 3 eurpoean contarys may actaly ceace to exist becuses of this over the next 500 years. its also to main reason for todays problems of pentions and an ageing society "/
This is actaly one aria "Hitler" can be credited on, with his policys, althogh doing it in a terrible way, his polocys did actaly make sence and were in realty supproted to some degree in this aria

[Seatherny]

They pretty much have the same rights

[Craig]

Not always your normal pay, sometimes its half your pay, depends on who you work for.
And im brunette :'(

Well usually I thought the law said about Full pay after certain X months and then half/no pay after X months.

[sarey]

Mm, i wouldnt know :P But my mum told me that .

[-:Undertaker:-]

David Cameron, Conservative Party Leader, wants half the conservatives Black or Women, you dont choose someone for a job just because of their skin or Gender, you pick them because there best for the job.

Thats why I dont like David Cameron, He's just anthoer Blair.

[Mentor]

David Cameron, Conservative Party Leader, wants half the conservatives Black or Women, you dont choose someone for a job just because of their skin or Gender, you pick them because there best for the job.

Thats why I dont like David Cameron, He's just anthoer Blair.
Another good exsample of socal inequalty, if there were equalty you wouldnt be picking by the groups but by the best

[RedStratocas]

I mean career is more important than having kids, asin much much more important. Well thats me rofl.

Thats what many people think in Japan, and they have a major population decline crisis.

1 things for sure-- feminists will never be happy. Sorry to say it if you are one. Even if EVERYTHING turns exactly equal, feminists will say they should get more to make up for the past.

[FlyingJesus]

Feminists are generally women who have experienced either a very weak man (and so think they're better) or an extremely strong-willed man (and so want to outdo them). Feminism isn't about equality any more, it's about superiority, and is quite pointless. However this is how things happen with all differences, those in "minority" groups now seemingly have more rights than your "average" citizen. A heterosexual, caucasian male who is either an atheist/agnostic or part of the Church of England now has less rights than just about anyone.

*Hit a gay person and you're branded a homophobe.
*Hit a woman and you're branded a domestic abuser/sexist.
*Hit a black man and you're branded racist.
*Hit a Muslim and you're branded an Islamophobe.

All of this is due to people working for "equality", and not even knowing what the term means.

[RedStratocas]

What I hate is when feminists complain about making about 33% less than men in the workplace. Here's an idea:

GET A NEW JOB

Ugh. They act like they have to do the job-- if you are unhappy with something about it, get a new one.

[FlyingJesus]

Beautifully put, have a nice green dot ^_^

[RedStratocas]

I liked your point before too. Have a green dot. Actually, have 6.

I like maddox's point of view on feminism :P

[JackHb]

They are not equal. (I am not saying they shouldn't be, i am saying they are not at the current time)

[FlyingJesus]

I was minding my own business at school the other day when all of a sudden I was surrounded by screaming feminists. They had gnarled claws, horns, goat hoofs and made an unearthly hissing noise. They came out of a hole in the ground that led straight into hell where I could see Satan (Jenny Jones) directing her army. I thought I was done for when suddenly I remembered that I had a shotgun on me (with rounds of common sense). The feminists started to advance towards me, in all their unshaved armpit infamy, preaching anti-male rhetoric and singing "I am woman hear me roar." One of them jumped at me with a two edged blade of double standards, but I counterattacked with a pile of "Get a job." This kept her occupied, but there were more. I took out my shotgun and blasted 10 or 20 of them, but they kept respawning faster than I could finish them off. It was almost as if they had a hidden energy source. Suddenly I noticed the source of all my problems: music coming out from the pit of hell! It sounded like a mixture of Jewel, Celine Dion, Alanis Morissette and Loreena McKennitt all packed together for a mega dose of super suck.

What a man. For reference:

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=feminazi
and
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=femnazi2

[Tash.]

I can understand what FlyingJesus said about the hitting of a gay man and you're branded a homophobe etc. That side of society is definitely getting out of hand. It's political correctness gone mad, but I still think there needs to be more of an eye kept on for instance, immigrants being exploited. The pickers (at that bay, i've forgotten the name, seen as its been filtered) that were killed we're an example of whats wrong withour government and its equality. Sorry kinda went off topic :P

[majesticdragon]

:P I think chimps are the stronger gender :P