GOD

[Flaunte]

Who invented God? ^_^

[kasi]

me .

[Azul]

I did.

[Mentor]

you may as well ask who invented the triangle, the consepts incredibly ainchent and most likly even predates humanity some way in to are ansestors "/ god is pretty much the idea of perfection as seen by the society "/

[Flaunte]

He can't of appeared from no-where. THERE MUST BE A THEORY SOMEWHERE.

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Edit; that rhymed. GO ME

[Mentor]

Where did the idea of best come from "/ We exsperince people being better at somthing than another, hence we then consdier there must be someone whos the best.
We can do something quite well, we then belive theres someone that can do it better or the best. If we belive in improvment we also belive there is a perfect way to do somthing.
The total of the good perfections are grouped in to the consept we commonly call God.
We exspeince power, go is ALL powerful, perfectly poweful.
We exspeince goodness, compasion, we belive god is complty perfectly good willing.
We exsperince interligence, we then form an idea of knowing everything, omniciests.

etc etc
So everyone realy invents there own god if they wish to "/ the origans of the consept predate humanity "/

[Vixen43]

i did lolz

[Virgin Mary]

God is infinital, he has no beginning and no end.

[asher_]

God was always there, he didn't come from no where.

[Adam$]

It all depends what you belive in, really.

[laurenx]

I dont think anyone will find out about How god came etc.

But you never know people could of made stories and passed them o and they changed as they go along. So mabye in the 24th century God might have a different name and have a whole new story, it's like chinese whispers at the end it's not the same thing.

Anyway, I don't know.

[Faye]

i dont know , i dont really believe in god (unfortunatly)

[Webhamster]

Christian Side: They took the words up Jesus, who told them to beleive in the god above, in which they did. God was always there, just they did not know about him.

My side: God is there, maybe, not going to bet money he is. I have now read, and re-read many a scientific book, including Stephen Hawking's massively interesting reads.

In general, I am not any religion, which I am very happy with, as I'm a massive optimist. :)

xx

[Matty]

Da big bang. :s

Ye - he's been der all da time.

[Mentor]

God is infinital, he has no beginning and no end.

God was always there, he didn't come from no where.


1) how do you know this?
2) What gives you the idea the universe has a beginning or an end?

[Virgin Mary]

1) how do you know this?
2) What gives you the idea the universe has a beginning or an end?
1) God himself says he is the beginning and he is the end.
2) The Universe is constantly expanding, meaning that it had a point of origin.

[Mentor]

1) God himself says he is the beginning and he is the end.
So god came down to you and told you this i take it? since the bible was written by humans, not god, and is only the human view, which actaly changes quite a bit depedning on the socities idea of perfection, the orignal wasnt benovlent for exsample "/


2) The Universe is constantly expanding, meaning that it had a point of origin.
how do you know it hasnt simply been exspanding for ever? you offer no evidance to the contary "/

[asher_]

They actually found the Ark of the Covenant which held the 10 commandments.

[Mentor]

They actually found the Ark of the Covenant which held the 10 commandments.
Kinda hard since mosis smashed them? its written in the bible "/

[Nightrose]

me .


no it was me, and i love the **** in ur avvie

[Nixt]

Argument to the existence of God I lol at:

The analogy is 0+0 = 0, if there was no God, there should be no us; seeing as we cannot have came from nowhere... so it was God + [Whatever] = Us.. or 1+1 = 2
But I think.. well, if 0+0 = 0 (as the argument says) how did God come about, because there should be no God :S

"He's infinite..." well that buggers that argument as that means the Earth could have came from nowhere too... meaning there is no need for God.
There is no solid theory to where God comes from, which is what makes Christianity a charade...

[asher_]

Kinda hard since mosis smashed them? its written in the bible "/

No. Moses smashed the first set of ten commandments; the second set however, were placed in the ark probably to protect them from any further damage by Moses.

[RedStratocas]

If god can just come from nowhere, why can't the earth?

[Alexxiano]

It's impossible to imagine really. Because something had to start from somewhere but then where did that start from?

[Herman]

No one. God has always been there. If you say the big bang created the Earth and the other planets, why is there suddenly 2 rocks, or whatever, crashing together and suddenly, whoosh, planets appeared. Even if the big bang happened, someone must have created it. I'm muslim btw.

[Nixt]

No one. God has always been there. If you say the big bang created the Earth and the other planets, why is there suddenly 2 rocks, or whatever, crashing together and suddenly, whoosh, planets appeared. Even if the big bang happened, someone must have created it. I'm muslim btw.

But who created God then... if the earth had to have been created... god had to have have been created!

[RedStratocas]

No one. God has always been there. If you say the big bang created the Earth and the other planets, why is there suddenly 2 rocks, or whatever, crashing together and suddenly, whoosh, planets appeared. Even if the big bang happened, someone must have created it. I'm muslim btw.

2 rocks? What?

[Alexxiano]

But who created God then... if the earth had to have been created... god had to have have been created!
This is exactly my point. One day we'll look back at this moment when we didn't know what created the world and if there is a God, like we do now with clothes, games, cars etc.

[RedStratocas]

This is exactly my point. One day we'll look back at this moment when we didn't know what created the world and if there is a God, like we do now with clothes, games, cars etc.

We are never going to find out if there is a god or not. :rolleyes:

[Alexxiano]

We are never going to find out if there is a god or not. :rolleyes:
You never know...I guess we've got to know sometime with the technology we're getting. Whether it's 1 week for 1000 years or more.

[Herman]

But who created God then... if the earth had to have been created... god had to have have been created!

If you put it that way, then the chain will never end. Is someone created God, then someone must have created that someone, and that someone must have created that someone, and so on. So there must be a creator, God.

[Nixt]

If you put it that way, then the chain will never end. Is someone created God, then someone must have created that someone, and that someone must have created that someone, and so on. So there must be a creator, God.

I fully understand that... It doesn't work either way.
It is not possible to explain! And it is likely we will never know...

[RedStratocas]

You never know...I guess we've got to know sometime with the technology we're getting. Whether it's 1 week for 1000 years or more.

What technology could possibly find out whether there is a god or not? There isnt even a way to find out... Its not like technology to go into space, this is technology for seeing god. So far, we only have one way of talking to god, and that's opium.

Even if there somehow was SOLID PROOF of no god, people would still believe. Vica-versa too.

[Nixt]

we only have one way of talking to god, and that's opium.

Lol at that :D

Whether or not God does exist, we will never find out... so it is pretty pointless even specualting how...

[+Emicat]

GOD
I was expecting to see a photo of me =/

[Mentor]

No. Moses smashed the first set of ten commandments; the second set however, were placed in the ark probably to protect them from any further damage by Moses.
yet not before he updated them a bit
set 1 (Exodus 20)


1. I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before me.
2. You shall not make for yourself a graven image. You shall not bow down to them or serve them.
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.
4. Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
5. Honor your father and your mother.
6. You shall not kill.
7. You shall not commit adultery.
8. You shall not steal.
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
10. You shall not covet.


set 2 (Exodus 34)


1. Thou shalt worship no other god (For the Lord is a jealous god).
2. Thou shalt make thee no molten gods.
3. The feast of unleavened bread shalt thou keep in the month when the ear is on the corn.
4. All the first-born are mine.
5. Six days shalt thou work, but on the seventh thou shalt rest.
6. Thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, even of the first fruits of the wheat harvest, and the feast of ingathering at the year's end.
7. Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leavened bread.
8. The fat of my feast shall not remain all night until the morning.
9. The first of the first fruits of thy ground thou shalt bring unto the house of the Lord thy God.
10. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in its mother's milk.


Althogh since god is perfect and he supposedly wrote these? its a bit strange how he changed his mind on them isnt it "/ So what do we conclude, the create althogh beoned humans lacks perfection as it got them wrong the first time? hence is not what we call god?
Or they were made by inperfect humans,

hence have no value at all ether way since god as couldnt have been there creator?


No one. God has always been there. If you say the big bang created the Earth and the other planets, why is there suddenly 2 rocks, or whatever, crashing together and suddenly, whoosh, planets appeared. Even if the big bang happened, someone must have created it. I'm muslim btw.
Thats not the big bang theary "/ and the big bang theary isnt a real theary anyway. Anyway still makes more sence than god poping in to existance "/

[+Emicat]

Thats two religions though.

[Mentor]

No? thats just one? althogh the Hebrew, Catholic and Protestant bibles all do have there own variations of the 10 commandments as well "/

[ReviewDude]

We are never going to find out if there is a god or not. :rolleyes:

Going deep here, just open your minds...

God has to exist. The proof of this:

Image what God would be, if he existed. Now, to most people, and a dictionary definition is that God is a 'perfect' being, the essence of perfect. No was yourself "What is more perfect, a God that exists, or one that doesn't?". Therefore a God that exists is more perfect than one that doesn't. A perfect God must exist. Of course, this doesn't prove He's a Christian, Muslim, Hindu or Buddhist God, but it at least one perfect God is there. Somewhere.

Of course, this also proves the existence of a perfect computer, or coffee table, because they would each be more perfect if they existed. So all these 'perfect' things, are out in the universe somewhere.

That's called the 'Ontological Argument' to the existence of God. There's more here:

Enjoy this - It's long. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontological_argument)

Or it's all summed up in a video, here:

This contains some mild profanity - Enjoy this as well! (http://youtube.com/watch?v=najzsRiILhY)


:)

[asher_]

It all comes down to faith and belief, because there is no solid proof God did exist but to those who who have a strong belief in him, such as myself , you only need to look around you and look at the magic God has created to know that he exists.

[Mentor]

Going deep here, just open your minds...

God has to exist. The proof of this:

Image what God would be, if he existed. Now, to most people, and a dictionary definition is that God is a 'perfect' being, the essence of perfect. No was yourself "What is more perfect, a God that exists, or one that doesn't?". Therefore a God that exists is more perfect than one that doesn't. A perfect God must exist. Of course, this doesn't prove He's a Christian, Muslim, Hindu or Buddhist God, but it at least one perfect God is there. Somewhere.

Of course, this also proves the existence of a perfect computer, or coffee table, because they would each be more perfect if they existed. So all these 'perfect' things, are out in the universe somewhere.

That's called the 'Ontological Argument' to the existence of God. There's more here:

Enjoy this - It's long. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontological_argument)

Or it's all summed up in a video, here:

This contains some mild profanity - Enjoy this as well! (http://youtube.com/watch?v=najzsRiILhY)


:)

Unlukly the ontological argument has more flaws than a golf ball has dimples and you seem to have missed the point of it.
1) It doesn't prove the existence of god, It was never even intended to, What it trys to prove is that theres a contradiction in saying god does not exist.
Yet Existence aint a predicate, its a state hence cannot be attributed to god via definition or have any levels. You ether exist or you dont, you cant exist perfectly.

most of the wiki entery is just critisms and reasons why the argument fails so misrably "/

[Virgin Mary]

God is infinity. People just find it hard to imagine. If something's infinital then it has always been there and always will be there, with no beginning and no end. No creation involved. The Earth had to have been created because the Universe is not infinital, it will end at some point and thus had a point of origin, it did not just appear from no where. We exist within a finital space, God exists within an infinital space.

[Mentor]

God is infinity. People just find it hard to imagine. If something's infinital then it has always been there and always will be there, with no beginning and no end. No creation involved. The Earth had to have been created because the Universe is not infinital, it will end at some point and thus had a point of origin, it did not just appear from no where. We exist within a finital space, God exists within an infinital space.
You cant just say stuff is becuse it is. You cannot prove the universe isnt infinate any more than you can prove god is. if god can be why cant the universe also be? and if it can why do you need god "/

[Virgin Mary]

You cant just say stuff is becuse it is. You cannot prove the universe isnt infinate any more than you can prove god is. if god can be why cant the universe also be? and if it can why do you need god "/
The universe is proven to be finital, it will end therefore it started. The Universe does not contain an infinital number of particles or matter nor does it go on forever. We are basically living within a finital bubble in which logic and laws apply to us that most likely do not apply to God. God is because God exists outside our finital space, the infinital space in which God exists is probably heaven.

[Mentor]

The universe is proven to be finital, it will end therefore it started. The Universe does not contain an infinital number of particles or matter nor does it go on forever. We are basically living within a finital bubble in which logic and laws apply to us that most likely do not apply to God. God is because God exists outside our finital space, the infinital space in which God exists is probably heaven.
Well last time i checked we aint actaly mesured it? so no its not proven "/ your just assumeing it does "/
Plus infinite space is a contradition in terms "/

[RedStratocas]

Going deep here, just open your minds...

God has to exist. The proof of this:

Image what God would be, if he existed. Now, to most people, and a dictionary definition is that God is a 'perfect' being, the essence of perfect. No was yourself "What is more perfect, a God that exists, or one that doesn't?". Therefore a God that exists is more perfect than one that doesn't. A perfect God must exist. Of course, this doesn't prove He's a Christian, Muslim, Hindu or Buddhist God, but it at least one perfect God is there. Somewhere.

Of course, this also proves the existence of a perfect computer, or coffee table, because they would each be more perfect if they existed. So all these 'perfect' things, are out in the universe somewhere.

That's called the 'Ontological Argument' to the existence of God. There's more here:

Enjoy this - It's long. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontological_argument)

Or it's all summed up in a video, here:

This contains some mild profanity - Enjoy this as well! (http://youtube.com/watch?v=najzsRiILhY)


:)

Congradulations, that proves nothing.

What I don't understand if there is a god is why can't he show himself? It makes no sense. I know in this world we cant believe it, but what if god could just talk to us normally? And we could see him? Why can't he do that? I dont understand the secrecy and the hiding from everyone.

And if god is perfect, why would we even be having this conversation? We would all know the answer.

[Virgin Mary]

Well last time i checked we aint actaly mesured it? so no its not proven "/ your just assumeing it does "/
Plus infinite space is a contradition in terms "/
The Universe is known to be about 14 billion years old. Light from way back when the Universe started still comes through on telescopes. The big bang was an infinitely dense point of time in which the Universe started, and the big bang was most certainly caused by God. Humans knowledge of everything, especially the universe, is minute. With our current knowledge and vocbulary, we couldn't even begin to describe God.

[Mentor]

The Universe is known to be about 14 billion years old. Light from way back when the Universe started still comes through on telescopes. The big bang was an infinitely dense point of time in which the Universe started, and the big bang was most certainly caused by God. Humans knowledge of everything, especially the universe, is minute. With our current knowledge and vocbulary, we couldn't even begin to describe God.
I dont realy know if you can mesure how long the universe has been there by how long the stars have... If that were true i could judge how long the worlds been here by how long humans have lived on it "/
If it was infiatlty dence the universe would be infinate anyway...

[Nixt]

The Universe is known to be about 14 billion years old. Light from way back when the Universe started still comes through on telescopes. The big bang was an infinitely dense point of time in which the Universe started, and the big bang was most certainly caused by God. Humans knowledge of everything, especially the universe, is minute. With our current knowledge and vocbulary, we couldn't even begin to describe God.

The big bang is a theory, like any theory; it has not been proved

[Mentor]

The big bang is a theory, like any theory; it has not been proved
The Big Bang isnt a Theary, Its the collective name given to about a few million thearys and varients, each differering from the others, some minutly some massivly. M-theary, String-theary? there the thearys,

There was an exsposion and it created the universe doesn't pass as a theary "/
True its proven there was a big bang, as in a massive explosion from which matter went flying everywhere, but nothings to say thats the begining of the universe? and that doesnt help prove how the explosion came to be? what was there? how it happened? so is pretty useless "/

[RedStratocas]

The big bang is a theory, like any theory; it has not been proved

This coming from the person who said God exist just because he thought about it:rolleyes:

[Nixt]

This coming from the person who said God exist just because he thought about it:rolleyes:

:s Enlighten me...

[RedStratocas]

:s Enlighten me...

Wait, sorry. Got you and someone else mixed up.

[Nixt]

The big bang is not a theory

It is a theory, there has never been any proof to say that it has actually happened. It is just the favoured explanation for the creation of the earth.

[Ashhizzle]

I Say he Appeared In The sky out of a puff of smoke :) He's Just A legend In My Eyes.

[Mentor]

It is a theory, there has never been any proof to say that it has actually happened. It is just the favoured explanation for the creation of the earth.

are you a compleate idiot or somthing? read the bloody post.
The Big bang is NOT a theary! It never was, its what they teach children so they dont have to actaly exsplain an ACTAL theary to them.
Its only favored explination by those to ignorant to understand or grasp science above a primary school level...


Proof? red shift? background radiation? exspantion of the universe? You may as well stand in a crater of an exsplosion and clame there never was an exspolosion...

ps. Its creation of the UNIVERSE. creation of the earth is easy, its fact, its been proven, its nothing specal...

[Nixt]

are you a compleate idiot or somthing? read the bloody post.
The Big bang is NOT a theary! It never was, its what they teach children so they dont have to actaly exsplain an ACTAL theary to them.
Its only favored explination by those to ignorant to understand or grasp science above a primary school level...


Proof? red shift? background radiation? exspantion of the universe? You may as well stand in a crater of an exsplosion and clame there never was an exspolosion...

I am not trying to argue "/ But the basic fact is, it is a theory. I am not saying it is an unlikely explanation though... And now I read you have me all confused, you aren't making much sense. :s
That's my final say on the matter, and just to verify it; if you google "The Big Bang" it all comes up with "The Big Bang 'Theory' or 'Model"
Which makes it an attempt to explain. Not fact... Besides this is totally off the subject of God really..

[Mentor]

I am not trying to argue "/ But the basic fact is, it is a theory.
But its not? Its not fact ether? you may as well say a heard is a theary... Its a group of animals. Just as big bang is a group of thearys which all include a simlar event near the begining of time.



That's my final say on the matter, and just to verify it; if you google "The Big Bang" it all comes up with "The Big Bang 'Theory' or 'Model"
Which makes it an attempt to explain. Not fact...



Look ill use someone elses exsplination...

theory - an explanation or system of anything.
Many anti-evolutionists will say "Yes, but it's only a theory, it's not real is it?"
People who say this are confused about what a theory, in the scientific sense, actually is. From my emails I know that the single most common misconception about evolution is to confuse the fact and the theory.
Fact = there was a big bang.
Theary = How it happened, why it happened, what caused it, and how its related to the begining of the universe.

Where looking at the beggining of the universe, which is thearetical. Not at a factal event.

[Nixt]

Fact = there was a big bang.
Theary = How it happened, why it happened, what caused it, and how its related to the begining of the universe.

Where looking at the beggining of the universe, which is thearetical. Not at a factal event.

Hmmm.. I kinda see where you are coming from now :P
But then, it's just what I have been taught and what I believe; there you have it...
Maybe we should get back to the subject of God now.
If the Big Bang did take place, then it totally discredits the propostition God created the World in six days [I think]...
And I know the argument against that is that 'at the time' six days could have meant six years, as time itself was not structured; if this is so, why bother saying he did it in six days?

[asher_]

Our universe contains too much order for our existence to have been created out of chaos such as the big bang theory. God didn't just make man kind for the sake of it; he spent time making such a complex creation. Just think, when we are born we have the innate knowledge of knowing and deferentiating between whats good and bad and this knowledge comes from God, it's put there to keep balance and for us to understand why we need to ask God for forgiveness. Not only that but things such as why a baby loves it's mum and why love exists at all, it's all down to God.

[Virgin Mary]

There was a big bang, and I believe that God started it off. Also, the Bible doesn't actually say he created everything in 7 days, it says he did it in 7 periods of time which was somehow translated to 7 days. I think the most basic evidence for the bible being correct is that it says that eden was in Ethiopia in east africa, which scientists agree is where human life began. At the time the bible was written, they wouldn't have factually known this.

[GommeInc]

I only think of God as an imaginary comfort friend who people talk to in their mind or vocally when they seek guidance for some strange reason.

Also, a hymn says Jesus is God, surely there is a problem with that?

[WHANGFACE]

Tooth fairy, duh.

[Virgin Mary]

Also, a hymn says Jesus is God, surely there is a problem with that?
God, in Catholicism, is seen as 3 entities; the father, the son and the holy spirit. This doesn't mean God is three people, it actually means that the idea of God exists within these entities, but they aren't the same God. The God people usually mean is the father aka the one imaged with a flowing white beard and robes.

Our universe contains too much order for our existence to have been created out of chaos such as the big bang theory. God didn't just make man kind for the sake of it; he spent time making such a complex creation. Just think, when we are born we have the innate knowledge of knowing and deferentiating between whats good and bad and this knowledge comes from God, it's put there to keep balance and for us to understand why we need to ask God for forgiveness. Not only that but things such as why a baby loves it's mum and why love exists at all, it's all down to God.
There was a big bang, it's proven, the only thing not proven is what happened and how it started, which is where God comes in. When we are born we can't differentiate between good and bad, we end up doing so through upbringing, the basic laws of our society teach us what is right and wrong, hence why if a neanderlithic human kills someone, they feel no guilt. A baby technically does not love its mother, this love is just a general term for its instinctive attachment to its parent, as with all animals.

[asher_]

Jesus is God, it says it in many places as well as the apostles and the Jews and Romans who killed Christ.

[Biseinen]

God was invented by those who are afraid to die.

[Virgin Mary]

God was invented by those who are afraid to die.
Not really true at all, otherwise the people who 'invented' God would have made up no such thing as Hell, and not made such rules that exist within the Bible.

[Biseinen]

Priest or w/e: "Your all going to hell if you sin and don't believe in the all mighty god"

People: "Damn, I'm scared! We better listen, I don't wanna go to hell! [Worships]"

[asher_]

Priest or w/e: "Your all going to hell if you sin and don't believe in the all mighty god"

People: "Damn, I'm scared! We better listen, I don't wanna go to hell! [Worships]"

Commiting sin doesn't automatically get you a one way ticket to hell, most sins are forgiveable because God loves all, however not believing or accepting God is unforgiveable.

[Virgin Mary]

Commiting sin doesn't automatically get you a one way ticket to hell, most sins are forgiveable because God loves all, however not believing or accepting God is unforgiveable.
That isn't a sin, basically unless you accept or believe in God/Jesus all your sins are unforgivable because only through Jesus is redemption and salvation possible. The unforgivable sin is actually blasphemy against the Holy Ghost.

[Mentor]

Hmmm.. I kinda see where you are coming from now :P
But then, it's just what I have been taught and what I believe; there you have it...
Maybe we should get back to the subject of God now.
If the Big Bang did take place, then it totally discredits the propostition God created the World in six days [I think]...
And I know the argument against that is that 'at the time' six days could have meant six years, as time itself was not structured; if this is so, why bother saying he did it in six days?

I dont think that matters, the 6 day bits kinda been discredited quite alot already.
1) The world isnt actaly flat
2) the sky isnt made of water
3) earth wasnt created in the middle of the agurculural revolution


Our universe contains too much order for our existence to have been created out of chaos such as the big bang theory. God didn't just make man kind for the sake of it; he spent time making such a complex creation. Just think, when we are born we have the innate knowledge of knowing and deferentiating between whats good and bad and this knowledge comes from God, it's put there to keep balance and for us to understand why we need to ask God for forgiveness. Not only that but things such as why a baby loves it's mum and why love exists at all, it's all down to God.
Order comes from chaios, google the game of life for a good exsample, 3 rules, then make as random as you like, order will still emmerge

God had to create time? so how could he work within it
We dont have an innate knowlage we learn it
Morality is also not innate, we learn that as well, hence why its relative.



Jesus is God, it says it in many places as well as the apostles and the Jews and Romans who killed Christ.
So how could god be his own son? and how could he test himself? and how could his son die for him if he is is son?


Not really true at all, otherwise the people who 'invented' God would have made up no such thing as Hell, and not made such rules that exist within the Bible.
Hell was just to scare people in to beliveing in the god, and makeing the preiest rich and powerful, little else.

[louder]

me .

-worships-

and lol at the emo in your avatar.

[asher_]

There are actually a lot more references about hell than there are about heaven within the bible. I see where you're coming from though entor, again it can't be proven correct or otherwise, but if you were to go from what the old testament says: "Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt." and also Isiah says "And they will go out and look upon the dead bodies of those who rebelled against me; their worm will not die, nor will their fire be quenched, and they will be loathsome to all mankind."

As for the new testament, it has just as much to say about hell; "These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power." also Revelation 14:10-11 "He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."

I suppose one of the main arguments of why hell doesn't exist is down to Jesus' teaching of love, peace and forgiveness and the fact it's hard to believe someone so perfect and full of love would teach about such a horrid place where non-believers go. However it's quite the contrary because Jesus teaches a lot about hell himself; describing it as an unquenchable (sp?) fire and a place of eternal fire, eternal punishment and as a place of torment, fire and agony.

[GJay]

Who invented God? ^_^
His parents..

[Hartleys]

When dinosaurs got extinced, he was inside the meteor.

[asher_]

His parents..

God had no parents as he created man kind.

[Virgin Mary]

God is just, those who do wrong in their life do not deserve a place in Heaven. Do you think the people who committed the 9/11 attacks deserve a place in Heaven?

[asher_]

God is just, those who do wrong in their life do not deserve a place in Heaven. Do you think the people who committed the 9/11 attacks deserve a place in Heaven?

Obviously not, but doesn't God forgive all?

[Virgin Mary]

Obviously not, but doesn't God forgive all?
God forgives those guilty for what they've done. I don't think they wanted to be absolved considering they did it in the name of God and believed it would gain them a place in Heaven, they were proud of their actions.

[DMB-Hosting]

G-D r0x my s0x

[asher_]

G-D r0x my s0x

thanks for that inane contribution of yours

[laurenx]

No-one will know.

There is no proof.

[Mentor]

There are actually a lot more references about hell than there are about heaven within the bible. I see where you're coming from though entor, again it can't be proven correct or otherwise, but if you were to go from what the old testament says: "Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt." and also Isiah says "And they will go out and look upon the dead bodies of those who rebelled against me; their worm will not die, nor will their fire be quenched, and they will be loathsome to all mankind."

As for the new testament, it has just as much to say about hell; "These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power." also Revelation 14:10-11 "He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."

I suppose one of the main arguments of why hell doesn't exist is down to Jesus' teaching of love, peace and forgiveness and the fact it's hard to believe someone so perfect and full of love would teach about such a horrid place where non-believers go. However it's quite the contrary because Jesus teaches a lot about hell himself; describing it as an unquenchable (sp?) fire and a place of eternal fire, eternal punishment and as a place of torment, fire and agony.

If your calling that alot out of the entire bible? im kinda sceptical of your prospective "/

The idea of hell and heven were only added after the contary was invaded and defeated, people suffered, the bible changed to justify it, The attackers get ever lasting hell, we get heven. That means the suffering in this life is justiyed... *coff*


God is just, those who do wrong in their life do not deserve a place in Heaven. Do you think the people who committed the 9/11 attacks deserve a place in Heaven?
The majorty of saints dont deserve a place ether in heven from that logic?
They thoght they were doing gods will. Brian washed yes? but thats not there fault alown, why should they suffer for all eternity "/
Most siants have done simlar things in the past, burning witches, crusades etc? Most of them must be rotting in hell as well if thats true, starnge there considered siants if thats the case "/


God forgives those guilty for what they've done. I don't think they wanted to be absolved considering they did it in the name of God and believed it would gain them a place in Heaven, they were proud of their actions.
Hence complty innaccent of evil or malisis?

[satan]

He did exist, but I took care of that last week

[Ryan+Joe]

lmao ^^^

[Billay]

chuck norris

[lolerskates]

In my opinion if there is a God he would be like a number line with 0 being the big bang. Numbers don't stop at 0 though they go into minus numbers for infinite.

On the other hand another way to think of it is, 'who invented the creator of God?' it's another infinite line of questioning that can never be answered.

[splatttt]

I dont know tbh

[NekkLe]

Humans invented god and theres no way of proving he's real, just a figament of someones' beleif.

[Virgin Mary]

It's like with aliens though, many humans don't want to believe that there is anything superior to us in the Universe.

[FrozenWhisper]

It all comes down to faith and belief, because there is no solid proof God did exist but to those who who have a strong belief in him, such as myself , you only need to look around you and look at the magic God has created to know that he exists.
That's true, I'm not cristian, I'm FAR from it, I don't belive in a god, but I don't think others are stupid to, I'm learing wicca myself, but I don't really belive the goddess side to it. I don't think it matter's were we came from, all that matter's is that were here.

Alot of old time christians should be in hell. For wars, burnings of jews and witches, and all that.

[jordybumz!]

God was not invented he is the almighty that was always here.

-breaks into a hymn-

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[Rawrz]

The powerpuff girls invented god.

[Virgin Mary]

Alot of old time christians should be in hell. For wars, burnings of jews and witches, and all that.
Obviously, and many more recent ones too, such as the KKK and other groups who persecute jews, blacks, gypsies and many others in the name of Christianity.

[FrozenWhisper]

Obviously, and many more recent ones too, such as the KKK and other groups who persecute jews, blacks, gypsies and many others in the name of Christianity.
Wow, alot of Christains I say that too say
"They did it for god blah blah blah".
I respect you. And yer, btw what is KKK?

[Virgin Mary]

Wow, alot of Christains I say that too say
"They did it for god blah blah blah".
I respect you. And yer, btw what is KKK?
Klu Klux Klan, it's a white supremacist group that believes in the elimination of blacks but I think they also kill catholics, jews, gays and black supporters in the name of God. Pretty stupid considering the people in the Bible were either Middle Eastern or African :rolleyes: