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Hecktix
26-08-2006, 03:53 PM
I was just reading the thread about racism. I posted my beliefs and something hit me. A lot of racist people stereotype muslims as terrorists.
And yes, some of the extreme terrorists are muslim, suicide bombers etc.
But there are a lot of other acts of terrorism.
Would you call Extreme Animal Rights Activists terrorists? They are.
Would you call football hooligans Terrorists? They are too.

Please tell me what you think makes a terrorist a terrorist xD Kthnx.

beth
26-08-2006, 03:54 PM
someone who invokes fear through violence.

Hecktix
26-08-2006, 03:57 PM
Is that the dictionary definition?

Grindie
26-08-2006, 04:01 PM
But the thing is, I can understand why football hooligans/animal activists would want to protest/ fight each other, but I find it hard to understand why terrorists would want to...

Hecktix
26-08-2006, 04:04 PM
I thoroughly agree with that. However in all cases there is no need for violence.

But then if you do think about religious motivated terrorism in just a little bit more depth. They are doing what they do for their God. They think that if they blow themself up, they are special.

I know I think they are lunatics too. But there is reason there.

beth
26-08-2006, 04:05 PM
Is that the dictionary definition?

no i came up with that myself rofl.

Grindie
26-08-2006, 04:06 PM
I thoroughly agree with that. However in all cases there is no need for violence.

But then if you do think about religious motivated terrorism in just a little bit more depth. They are doing what they do for their God. They think that if they blow themself up, they are special.

I know I think they are lunatics too. But there is reason there.
And that's something that western civilisation will never understand ;)

Hecktix
26-08-2006, 04:07 PM
And that's something that western civilisation will never understand ;)

I don't think its possible to understand someone's thoughts completely.

Mit
26-08-2006, 04:19 PM
Some do it as they see no other way of expressing their views. Some do it to evoke fear to get their way, such as Malcome X (I wish i had that name). Terrorism has been going on since the dawn of civilization, its only now that people are really making a big thing of it.

I think the most significant terrorist attack may be the black hands killing of Archduke Franz Ferdinand (not the band) which sparked World War One...

Hecktix
26-08-2006, 04:21 PM
Some do it as they see no other way of expressing their views. Some do it to evoke fear to get their way, such as Malcome X (I wish i had that name). Terrorism has been going on since the dawn of civilization, its only now that people are really making a big thing of it.

I think the most significant terrorist attack may be the black hands killing of Archduke Franz Ferdinand (not the band) which sparked World War One...

Yep. That's a pretty significant attack.

Ever since 9/11 its like terrorism is an Islamic related crime.

Have people forgotten the IRA?

ilovejordan
26-08-2006, 04:21 PM
I was just reading the thread about racism. I posted my beliefs and something hit me. A lot of racist people stereotype muslims as terrorists.
And yes, some of the extreme terrorists are muslim, suicide bombers etc.
But there are a lot of other acts of terrorism.
Would you call Extreme Animal Rights Activists terrorists? They are.
Would you call football hooligans Terrorists? They are too.

Please tell me what you think makes a terrorist a terrorist xD Kthnx.

All terrorists have been of a muslim religion.
I think what makes a terrorist a terrorist is the fact they are prepared to kill not only themselves but their children just for their faith etc etc. animal rights activists aren't terrorists they dont go around blowing people up or kidnapping. Same for football hooligans.

Victimized
26-08-2006, 04:22 PM
What Makes a Terrorist a Terrorist?

The bomb on their back.

Hecktix
26-08-2006, 04:22 PM
All terrorists have been of a muslim religion.
I think what makes a terrorist a terrorist is the fact they are prepared to kill not only themselves but their children just for their faith etc etc. animal rights activists aren't terrorists they dont go around blowing people up or kidnapping. Same for football hooligans.

NO! Sorry But that comment is kind of racist! Terrorists aren't necesscarily people who blow themselves up. And Extreme Animal rights activists do plant bombs in peoples houses, I suggest you read the second post of this thread, thats the definition of a terrorist.

beth
26-08-2006, 04:23 PM
All terrorists have been of a muslim religion.
I think what makes a terrorist a terrorist is the fact they are prepared to kill not only themselves but their children just for their faith etc etc. animal rights activists aren't terrorists they dont go around blowing people up or kidnapping. Same for football hooligans.

thats a load of crap.

Hecktix
26-08-2006, 04:24 PM
Cassie, Have you ever heard of the IRA?

ilovejordan
26-08-2006, 04:25 PM
NO! Sorry But that comment is kind of racist! Terrorists aren't necesscarily people who blow themselves up. And Extreme Animal rights activists do plant bombs in peoples houses, I suggest you read the second post of this thread, thats the definition of a terrorist.

Sorry but that is not racist at all. I haven't discriminated anyone because of their race. "/ I suggest you find the definition of racism? I've never heard of animal rights activists doing that i've only heard of that once where they took that dead body [they found it by where i live ew] anyway you asked what i thought a definition of a terrorist was so i said it. So stop saying im wrong.

Edit : yea i have. and bethie it isn't. Some have been british but have become muslim too. I haven o problems with muslims at the end of the day they are just humans. But i haven't heard of a single christian or w/e kidnapping or blowing people up.
And the ira werent even religious btw ;)

beth
26-08-2006, 04:26 PM
Sorry but that is not racist at all. I haven't discriminated anyone because of their race. "/ I suggest you find the definition of racism? I've never heard of animal rights activists doing that i've only heard of that once where they took that dead body [they found it by where i live ew] anyway you asked what i thought a definition of a terrorist was so i said it. So stop saying im wrong.

you were wrong to say all terrorists are muslim.

Hecktix
26-08-2006, 04:26 PM
I asked you a question. Have you ever heard of the IRA?

Victimized
26-08-2006, 04:26 PM
Sorry but that is not racist at all. I haven't discriminated anyone because of their race. "/ I suggest you find the definition of racism? I've never heard of animal rights activists doing that i've only heard of that once where they took that dead body [they found it by where i live ew] anyway you asked what i thought a definition of a terrorist was so i said it. So stop saying im wrong.

You just said all the terrorists have been muslim.:rolleyes:

Grindie
26-08-2006, 04:28 PM
Yep. That's a pretty significant attack.

Ever since 9/11 its like terrorism is an Islamic related crime.

Have people forgotten the IRA?

Yes I think people have actually, the younger generation of people seem just to remember 9/11

Probably due to the wider scale of it, I think that the word terrorism wasn't really used back then.

-:Undertaker:-
26-08-2006, 04:28 PM
NO! Sorry But that comment is kind of racist! Terrorists aren't necesscarily people who blow themselves up. And Extreme Animal rights activists do plant bombs in peoples houses, I suggest you read the second post of this thread, thats the definition of a terrorist.



Cassie WAS NOT racist, Its people like you who stir it all up by saying "RACIST YOUR A RACIST" that makes people Hate Muslims.

MOST Terrorists Nowadays are Muslims or Asian.

ilovejordan
26-08-2006, 04:29 PM
You just said all the terrorists have been muslim.:rolleyes:

They have so far "/


I asked you a question. Have you ever heard of the IRA?
And i answered it by saying yes. read the edit ..


you were wrong to say all terrorists are muslim.
All of the terrorists i've been aware of have been muslim..

Jargit
26-08-2006, 04:29 PM
–noun 1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.
2. the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
3. a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.

Hecktix
26-08-2006, 04:30 PM
Cassie Right.

I don't know too much about the IRA myself.

But they were IRISH. Not Muslim. And they had a problem with Northern Ireland being UK Soil [I Think]

Until Recently they caused TERROR in northern Island.

And did you never hear of the time London got bombed in the early 90's. Or the Manchester Bombing?

Them two bombings were worse than the London Tube Bombings.

So Would you call the IRA Terrorists?

Jackbee
26-08-2006, 04:30 PM
Terrorists are muslims/asians who want to kill innocent (english people) people
Most of them live in our country and want to kill us

beth
26-08-2006, 04:31 PM
rofl. cassie i can't believe you don't know of the ira if you live in birmingham.
the pubs that were blown up in birmingham was word of the ira and they were white catholics. POINT PROVEN : not all terrorists are muslims.

Hecktix
26-08-2006, 04:31 PM
Please read the other posts. Terrorists are not necesscarily Muslims.
Stop being so stereotypical!

Grindie
26-08-2006, 04:32 PM
Hmm, let's get the definitions out now...

Racism - or racialism is a form of discrimination based on race, especially the belief that one race is superior to another. Racism may be expressed individually and consciously, through explicit thoughts, feelings, or acts, or socially and unconsciously, through institutions that promote inequality between races.

Terrorist - One who utilizes the systematic use of violence and intimidation to achieve political objectives, while disguised as a civilian non-combatant. The use of a civilian disguise while on operations exempts the perpetrator from protection under the Geneva Conventions, and consequently if captured they are liable for prosecution as common criminals.

I suppose where people get the idea that most people who are terrorists are muslim, is from the media. But, trying not to be too contraversial here, but I do have to agree to an extent. Most publicised terror attacks in our generation have been done by muslims.

Victimized
26-08-2006, 04:32 PM
WTH?

You think every terrorist is muslim, lol@u

ilovejordan
26-08-2006, 04:32 PM
Cassie Right.

I don't know too much about the IRA myself.

But they were IRISH. Not Muslim. And they had a problem with Northern Ireland being UK Soil [I Think]

Until Recently they caused TERROR in northern Island.

And did you never hear of the time London got bombed in the early 90's. Or the Manchester Bombing?

Them two bombings were worse than the London Tube Bombings.

So Would you call the IRA Terrorists?


I know they were irish.
Being irish is your origin not your religion lmao you can be an irish muslim y'no. They had a problem with england governing ireland. And yes i did hear of it. I wouldn't class the ira as terrorists. They did the bombings to stop england governing them. The muslims that turn out as terrorists believe they are fighting a holy war against the west.





rofl. cassie i can't believe you don't know of the ira if you live in birmingham.
the pubs that were blown up in birmingham was word of the ira and they were white catholics. POINT PROVEN : not all terrorists are muslims.
i have said i do know of the ira :l
hecktix you asked what people think makes a terrorist a terrorist. its their opinion so stop saying people are wrong.

Hecktix
26-08-2006, 04:33 PM
Hmm, let's get the definitions out now...

Racism - or racialism is a form of discrimination based on race, especially the belief that one race is superior to another. Racism may be expressed individually and consciously, through explicit thoughts, feelings, or acts, or socially and unconsciously, through institutions that promote inequality between races.

Terrorist - One who utilizes the systematic use of violence and intimidation to achieve political objectives, while disguised as a civilian non-combatant. The use of a civilian disguise while on operations exempts the perpetrator from protection under the Geneva Conventions, and consequently if captured they are liable for prosecution as common criminals.

I suppose where people get the idea that most people who are terrorists are muslim, is from the media. But, trying not to be too contraversial here, but I do have to agree to an extent. Most publicised terror attacks in our generation have been done by muslims.

Yes the majority of attacks in the time of our Generation have been by Muslims. And I fully understand why these people are saying that muslims are the only terrorists.
But Im trying to stop that stereotype. Its a bit harsh.

Grindie
26-08-2006, 04:34 PM
Of course it's harsh, but unless it stops, it'll get worse.

-:Undertaker:-
26-08-2006, 04:34 PM
Please read the other posts. Terrorists are not necesscarily Muslims.
Stop being so stereotypical!



MOST Terrorits are Muslims, IRA was years ago, NOWADAYS Most Terrorists are Muslims, I hate it when people call other people Racists because someone is not afraid to speak up to this monster Called Political Correctness.

Azul
26-08-2006, 04:34 PM
A person with a long beard and a towel over his head, obv!!

Hecktix
26-08-2006, 04:36 PM
Undertaker, I agree that MOST terrorists NOWADAYS are muslim.

But there is still other terrorists out there.

The IRA isnt that out of date. And football hooliganism is a very mild form of terrorism. And EXTREME Animal Rights Activists [The ones who put bombs through scientists letter boxes] are also terrorists.

ilovejordan
26-08-2006, 04:36 PM
A person with a long beard and a towel over his head, obv!!
I lol'd


MOST Terrorits are Muslims, IRA was years ago, NOWADAYS Most Terrorists are Muslims, I hate it when people call other people Racists because someone is not afraid to speak up to this monster Called Political Correctness.

Exactly "/


Of course it's harsh, but unless it stops, it'll get worse.
Yea i have nothing against muslims but i dont think i'd like it if one sat by me on a plane? I dont mean to be racist or anything but its just my reaction.


Yes the majority of attacks in the time of our Generation have been by Muslims. And I fully understand why these people are saying that muslims are the only terrorists.
But Im trying to stop that stereotype. Its a bit harsh.

you asked us what we think makes a terrorist a terrorist. Of course people are going to say muslim if the majority of terrorists have been muslim!

Grindie
26-08-2006, 04:36 PM
A person with a long beard and a towel over his head, obv!!
Lol, that's an image that the media has scarred on the younger minds of today :)

EDIT: So would I Cassie, did anyone see the news where those two muslims were kicked off the plane by the passengers because they looked suspicious?

beth
26-08-2006, 04:37 PM
i have said i do know of the ira :l
hecktix you asked what people think makes a terrorist a terrorist. its their opinion so stop saying people are wrong.

so if you knew of them why did you say all terrorists were muslim?

-:Undertaker:-
26-08-2006, 04:37 PM
Yes the majority of attacks in the time of our Generation have been by Muslims. And I fully understand why these people are saying that muslims are the only terrorists.
But Im trying to stop that stereotype. Its a bit harsh.


Its Harsh?, I tell you what is harsh.

Pensioners losing their pensions to Asians/Muslims is Harsh.
Muslims who say that White People should die is Harsh.
Muslims who call White People racists when their not, are Harsh.
Muslims who skit White people are Harsh.
Muslims who justifie Bombins are Harsh.

ilovejordan
26-08-2006, 04:38 PM
Undertaker, I agree that MOST terrorists NOWADAYS are muslim.

But there is still other terrorists out there.

The IRA isnt that out of date. And football hooliganism is a very mild form of terrorism. And EXTREME Animal Rights Activists [The ones who put bombs through scientists letter boxes] are also terrorists.

no that isn't terrorism fgs.
Terrorism is where a person or people do something to create total terror throughout as many people as they can. Animal rights activists just try to free animals and stop the testing.




so if you knew of them why did you say all terrorists were muslim?
Because i dont believe they were terrorists the majority of terrorists so far have been muslim

Azul
26-08-2006, 04:38 PM
Lol, that's an image that the media has scarred on the younger minds of today :)

That is exactly what I was getting at my friend.

Nixt
26-08-2006, 04:39 PM
Animal rights activists just try to free animals and stop the testing.

They use methods that cause terror in order to achieve this however.

Hecktix
26-08-2006, 04:39 PM
Its Harsh?, I tell you what is harsh.
Pensioners losing their pensions to Asians/Muslims is Harsh.
Muslims who say that White People should die is Harsh.
Muslims who call White People racists when their not, are Harsh.
Muslims who skit White people are Harsh.
Muslims who justifie Bombins are Harsh.

The thing is... I agree with you.
But this thread isnt about that. Its about different types of terrorists.

ideabox
26-08-2006, 04:39 PM
Mainly because they dislike the west. There view of rights towards woman are different. Its to do with a lot of reasons but I guess it all links with culture differences

-:Undertaker:-
26-08-2006, 04:40 PM
Footbal Hooliganism isnt Terrorism.

ilovejordan
26-08-2006, 04:40 PM
They use methods that cause terror in order to achieve this however.

They do it to kill the people doing the testing. Not create terror. If they wanted to create terror they'd go kill innocent people like terrorists do.

Hecktix
26-08-2006, 04:41 PM
And Muslim Terrorists Kill People Because they believe God Tells them too.

Sticking a bomb through someones letter box is causing TERROR dear.

-:Undertaker:-
26-08-2006, 04:41 PM
They do it to kill the people doing the testing. Not create terror. If they wanted to create terror they'd go kill innocent people like terrorists do.


Your correct, They do it because they have something wrong with them, Not for terror.

Grindie
26-08-2006, 04:42 PM
Its Harsh?, I tell you what is harsh.

Pensioners losing their pensions to Asians/Muslims is Harsh.
Muslims who say that White People should die is Harsh.
Muslims who call White People racists when their not, are Harsh.
Muslims who skit White people are Harsh.
Muslims who justifie Bombins are Harsh.
Agreed
I'm sure we do the same
We definitely do the same
We do the same
Agreed

ilovejordan
26-08-2006, 04:42 PM
And Muslim Terrorists Kill People Because they believe God Tells them too.

Sticking a bomb through someones letter box is causing TERROR dear.

They believe they will get into some sort of paradise after they have died if they carry out the actions.

Sticking a bomb through someones letter box is attempting murder dear.

Hecktix
26-08-2006, 04:42 PM
Bombing is creating terror. Whatever reason you bomb for!!!

ideabox
26-08-2006, 04:43 PM
Some people just enjoy the thrill. Maybe damage to frontal lobe of the brain can spark it :P I saw a program about killers and things but its similer with terrorists but not in all cases

Grindie
26-08-2006, 04:44 PM
And Muslim Terrorists Kill People Because they believe God Tells them too.

Sticking a bomb through someones letter box is causing TERROR dear.

If you haven't read the Koran (sp?), you'll never understand why they do it.

-:Undertaker:-
26-08-2006, 04:44 PM
Bombing is creating terror. Whatever reason you bomb for!!!


Bombs arent always for Terror, Bombs can be just for Destrution aswell, Or to kill the person who you dotn agree with.

ilovejordan
26-08-2006, 04:44 PM
Bombing is creating terror. Whatever reason you bomb for!!!

not necasiraly [i cant spell]. When we bombed in world war two or w/e it wasn't to create terror it was to fight back. Terrorism is a person or people who are intent are doing an action to create widespread terror in order for a certain cause.
Most terrorists have been muslim and about 98% now adays i would say are muslim or muslim converts ;l

Hecktix
26-08-2006, 04:45 PM
If you were caught with a bomb in your house.

What charges would you recieve.

You would be charged under a terrorism act.

Whether you were Asian, Indian, African, White, or a flaming chimpanzee.

PaintYourTarget
26-08-2006, 04:45 PM
Cassie, I love you and everything, but if one of your colleagues got a bomb put through their letter box, that'll terrify the rest of the staff. Terrorism.

The IRA were Paramilitary. They were an extreme branch of a Government. Someones definition stated that terrorists were civilian.

ilovejordan
26-08-2006, 04:47 PM
Cassie, I love you and everything, but if one of your colleagues got a bomb put through their letter box, that'll terrify the rest of the staff. Terrorism.

The IRA were Paramilitary. They were an extreme branch of a Government. Someones definition stated that terrorists were civilian.
aww lee loves me ^_^



If you were caught with a bomb in your house.

What charges would you recieve.

You would be charged under a terrorism act.

Whether you were Asian, Indian, African, White, or a flaming chimpanzee.


They'd interview you first. If you were caught with a bomb in your house you'd actually probs be charged for holding explosive materials which were most likely later to be used purposley or something along that line.

Hecktix
26-08-2006, 04:47 PM
Wars are different Yes. Wars are unfortunately Legal.
If you went and dropped a bomb its not legal.

-:Undertaker:-
26-08-2006, 04:48 PM
Cassie, I love you and everything, but if one of your colleagues got a bomb put through their letter box, that'll terrify the rest of the staff. Terrorism.

The IRA were Paramilitary. They were an extreme branch of a Government. Someones definition stated that terrorists were civilian.


But its NOT aimed at the rest of the Staff.

Example: You like all the Staff except one person who you argue with, You put a Bomb in their Letterbox - You Not imtimiating the other staff, Your aim is to kill the person who you hated.

Grindie
26-08-2006, 04:48 PM
If you were caught with a bomb in your house.

What charges would you recieve.

You would be charged under a terrorism act.

Whether you were Asian, Indian, African, White, or a flaming chimpanzee.

Ah, but that doesn't always happen, prejudice is something that defines that

ilovejordan
26-08-2006, 04:49 PM
Wars are different Yes. Wars are unfortunately Legal.
If you went and dropped a bomb its not legal.

only because if someone declares war on your country you have no choice.
If someone was threatening you and you smacked them one and your going by your definition that could be terrorism too. So that means basically a LOT of peoples actions are an act of terrorism?

Hecktix
26-08-2006, 04:49 PM
its still an act of terror. Even though they have a good reason.
And Yes Kassie, Alot of peoples actions are acts of terror. If You plan to cause destruction, you are planning to cause terror

PaintYourTarget
26-08-2006, 04:49 PM
If you were caught with a bomb in your house.

What charges would you recieve.

You would be charged under a terrorism act.

Whether you were Asian, Indian, African, White, or a flaming chimpanzee.
A man was found in possession of several chemicals used to make a bomb. He was a white, protestant and pretty much a loner who'd dropped off out University despite a top knowledge of Chemistry. He had used these chemicals to make bombs but he was not charged under any terrorism acts.

Undertaker. Animal Rights is terrorism as they are terrorising people who work on Animals into stopping. I wasn't talking about personal differences in a work place.

ilovejordan
26-08-2006, 04:50 PM
A man was found in possession of several chemicals used to make a bomb. He was a white, protestant and pretty much a loner who'd dropped off out University despite a top knowledge of Chemistry. He had used these chemicals to make bombs but he was not charged under any terrorism acts.


Exactly you can't be charged with terrorism if they can't prove you were going to use it to create widespread terrorism

Grindie
26-08-2006, 04:51 PM
A man was found in possession of several chemicals used to make a bomb. He was a white, protestant and pretty much a loner who'd dropped off out University despite a top knowledge of Chemistry. He had used these chemicals to make bombs but he was not charged under any terrorism acts.

Ah, but that doesn't always happen, prejudice is something that defines that

Ah see, prejudice, just what affects the youth of today

Hecktix
26-08-2006, 04:51 PM
if you set a bomb off, more than one person is going to get hurt.

For Example:

If you planted a bomb through a scientists letterbox, yep the scientist would die, SO WOULD HIS FAMILY and neighbours etc would suffer burns, and debris would hurt people within a large radius

PaintYourTarget
26-08-2006, 04:52 PM
Exactly you can't be charged with terrorism if they can't prove you were going to use it to create widespread terrorism
And I love you for that comment too.

Hecktix, this guy had set 4 bombs off and injured no-one. It was purely for his twisted amusement.

Hecktix
26-08-2006, 04:53 PM
And I love you for that comment too.

Hecktix, this guy had set 4 bombs off and injured no-one. It was purely for his twisted amusement.

Well he injured no-one, He COULD have done though.

ideabox
26-08-2006, 04:53 PM
Exactly you can't be charged with terrorism if they can't prove you were going to use it to create widespread terrorism

Surely if your caught with chemicals to make a bomb you would be in trouble.
Or, wait are the chemicals in there specifically used to make bombs or not?

PaintYourTarget
26-08-2006, 04:54 PM
Surely if your caught with chemicals to make a bomb you would be in trouble.
Or, wait are the chemicals in there specifically used to make bombs or not?
The guy had made bombs from Chemicals purely to satisfy his scientific curiosity and twisted amusement. He was in trouble for it, yes.

Hecktix, he set them off in fields and a wood. It was only him who was likely to be blown apart. The police found his latest in his Fridge, where it was not set to detonate.

Hecktix
26-08-2006, 04:56 PM
I love this. I love hearing peoples opinions.
Im not arguing, im debating, im discussing, whatever you want to call it.
I have nothing against any of you. And I like to hear your views.

But there are a lot of categories of terrorists. You should accept that.

In reply to Mr President i think it was, Then if he set them off not intending to cause destruction or harm, no its not terrorism

PaintYourTarget
26-08-2006, 04:57 PM
There is one type of terrorist, one who uses violence or extreme measures to invoke fear and change political or public stances.

Hecktix
26-08-2006, 04:58 PM
Yeah but there are different types of people who are terrorists. My arguement is that its not only Muslims who cause acts of terror

-:Undertaker:-
26-08-2006, 04:59 PM
There is one type of terrorist, one who uses violence or extreme measures to invoke fear and change political or public stances.



Absolutly Correct.

+Rep to you and Cassie.

Hecktix
26-08-2006, 05:00 PM
Undertaker you agree with that. And you agree with Cassie, Well Cassie was saying all terrorists are muslim?? He was saying the definition of a terrorist which has been said plenty of times in this thread.

PaintYourTarget
26-08-2006, 05:00 PM
But currently, the most active and media covered terrorists are these Muslim extremists so naturally people will automatically connect Muslims with Terrorism.

-:Undertaker:-
26-08-2006, 05:00 PM
Yes and MOST muslims are Terroists.

Hecktix
26-08-2006, 05:00 PM
Yep and this is why I am trying to tell people it's wrong!

PaintYourTarget
26-08-2006, 05:01 PM
Yep and this is why I am trying to tell people it's wrong!
Name an active, non-muslim terrorist organisation spreading mass fear amongst the global population.

ilovejordan
26-08-2006, 05:02 PM
Undertaker you agree with that. And you agree with Cassie, Well Cassie was saying all terrorists are muslim?? He was saying the definition of a terrorist which has been said plenty of times in this thread.

I meant the majority of terrorists now a days are muslims
if you read my posts you would have seen.

Grindie
26-08-2006, 05:03 PM
But currently, the most active and media covered terrorists are these Muslim extremists so naturally people will automatically connect Muslims with Terrorism.

Absolutely agreed.


Yes and MOST muslims are Terroists.
Other way round, MOST terrorists are muslim

Hecktix
26-08-2006, 05:03 PM
Cassie dear, I wouldnt have argued otherwise.

You said all terrorists are muslims.

You later said
"all the terrorists ive heard of are muslim"

You also claim the IRA arent terrorists.

What do you think now?

PaintYourTarget
26-08-2006, 05:05 PM
You also claim the IRA arent terrorists.

What do you think now?

I'm going to have to go to wikipedia on this...
They were a Paramilitary organisation, not terrorists.


Irish Republican Army (1919-1921), the army of the "Irish Republic", which fought the Irish War of Independence against British rule, 1916 - 1921. It split into the pro-treaty National Army of the Irish Free State, while the anti-treaty elements continued to refer to themselves as the IRA. Such use is controversial.
Irish Republican Army (1922-1969): Originally the Anti-Treaty or Republican side in the Irish Civil War of 1922 - 1923. In 1969, the movement split between a Marxist and a more militant traditionalist wing. The former became known as the "Official" IRA and the latter became known as the "Provisional" IRA;
Official Irish Republican Army (1969-1973?). This group ceased fire in 1973 for ideological reasons and has not been militarily active since.
Provisional Irish Republican Army (1969-2005?): the traditionalist side in the 1969 split, today the largest republican paramilitary group. In the context of modern armed groups in Ireland, it is to this group that the term "IRA" nearly always refers.
Continuity Irish Republican Army (1994-present): a small breakaway from the Provisional IRA, formed in 1986 by those opposed to Sinn Féin taking seats in Dáil Éireann, the lower house of the Irish parliament.
Real Irish Republican Army (1998-present): another small breakaway from the Provisional IRA formed after the 1997 ceasefire.

ilovejordan
26-08-2006, 05:05 PM
Cassie dear, I wouldnt have argued otherwise.

You said all terrorists are muslims.

You later said
"all the terrorists ive heard of are muslim"

You also claim the IRA arent terrorists.

What do you think now?

In an earlier post you said you weren't argueing lol.

I think the same.
and i didn't say all the terrorists i've heard of are muslim i said MOST.

Hecktix
26-08-2006, 05:05 PM
Wait there. Ill go quote you.

ideabox
26-08-2006, 05:06 PM
What about the Terrorists on crimewatch? They were attacking people that worked at a guene pig breeder(for medical science) and at one stage dug up the owners mothers corpse.

Grindie
26-08-2006, 05:06 PM
Name an active, non-muslim terrorist organisation spreading mass fear amongst the global population.

Damn, I thought I had one there, but ETA just do it in Spain

-:Undertaker:-
26-08-2006, 05:07 PM
Yep and this is why I am trying to tell people it's wrong!


Simple Solution To Everything.

Only Allow a LIMITED Number of Immagrants in every year.
Only allow Immagrants in who will work.
Only allow Immagrants in who would be proud of Britain.
Only allow Immagrants in who have NO offences on their Record.
Dont give Ridiculous amounts of money to Immagrants.
Leave the EU so we can do all of this.
Dont place them were their not wanted.
Dont prioritise them over White People on the NHS waiting list.
Send back the ones who break the law.
Send back the ones who believe the UK & US should be bombed.
Send back the ones who are Racists towards White people.

Hecktix
26-08-2006, 05:07 PM
All terrorists have been of a muslim religion.
I think what makes a terrorist a terrorist is the fact they are prepared to kill not only themselves but their children just for their faith etc etc. animal rights activists aren't terrorists they dont go around blowing people up or kidnapping. Same for football hooligans.


They have so far "/


And i answered it by saying yes. read the edit ..


All of the terrorists i've been aware of have been muslim..

Want to argue now Cassie?

Wootzeh
26-08-2006, 05:08 PM
Simple Solution To Everything.

Only Allow a LIMITED Number of Immagrants in every year.
Only allow Immagrants in who will work.
Only allow Immagrants in who would be proud of Britain.
Only allow Immagrants in who have NO offences on their Record.
Dont give Ridiculous amounts of money to Immagrants.
Leave the EU so we can do all of this.
Dont place them were their not wanted.
Dont prioritise them over White People on the NHS waiting list.
Send back the ones who break the law.
Send back the ones who believe the UK & US should be bombed.
Send back the ones who are Racists towards White people.
We're not going to leave the EU, we get so much stuff cheap.

PaintYourTarget
26-08-2006, 05:08 PM
Damn, I thought I had one there, but ETA just do it in Spain
I didn't actually think of them. I'll let you have them.

ilovejordan
26-08-2006, 05:09 PM
What about the Terrorists on crimewatch? They were attacking people that worked at a guene pig breeder(for medical science) and at one stage dug up the owners mothers corpse.

That wasn't terrorism it was animal rights activists trying to stop the family breeding and testing on geuni [i cant spell] pigs. [the body was found by where i live :(] Terrorism is an attack that is designed to create widespread terror oh and the people that were charged wouldn't be charged under the terrorism act.
I know i said terrorists are muslims. I meant now adays all the terrorists you hear of are muslims "/

-:Undertaker:-
26-08-2006, 05:09 PM
We're not going to leave the EU, we get so much stuff cheap.


We actually lose more money than we get in the EU.

Hecktix
26-08-2006, 05:11 PM
That wasn't terrorism it was animal rights activists trying to stop the family breeding and testing on geuni [i cant spell] pigs. [the body was found by where i live :(] Terrorism is an attack that is designed to create widespread terror oh and the people that were charged wouldn't be charged under the terrorism act.
I know i said terrorists are muslims. I meant now adays all the terrorists you hear of are muslims "/

If you set off a bomb at a house you are causing wide spread terror, more than the intended target will get hurt.

And you not gonna answer my previous post?

ideabox
26-08-2006, 05:12 PM
Simple Solution To Everything.

Only Allow a LIMITED Number of Immagrants in every year.
Only allow Immagrants in who will work.
Only allow Immagrants in who would be proud of Britain.
Only allow Immagrants in who have NO offences on their Record.
Dont give Ridiculous amounts of money to Immagrants.
Leave the EU so we can do all of this.
Dont place them were their not wanted.
Dont prioritise them over White People on the NHS waiting list.
Send back the ones who break the law.
Send back the ones who believe the UK & US should be bombed.
Send back the ones who are Racists towards White people.

Some of the things you said I did agree on. I don't agree on placing them were people want them to go. Thats like saying that they can't live here because they will spoil our community or they are muslims and we don't want them here. That will just make them hate us more and the british commumity. It might encourage terrorism.

ilovejordan
26-08-2006, 05:13 PM
Want to argue now Cassie?
Argue about what?
All the active terrorists i'm aware of are muslim "/


If you set off a bomb at a house you are causing wide spread terror, more than the intended target will get hurt.

And you not gonna answer my previous post?

If you set a bomb at a house you normally have a motive like murder etc etc of course its gonna scare a few people but thats like sayin if you steal from a house your a terrorist because your making neighbours scared.

Hecktix
26-08-2006, 05:13 PM
Same as above

-:Undertaker:-
26-08-2006, 05:14 PM
Some of the things you said I did agree on. I don't agree on placing them were people want them to go. Thats like saying that they can't live here because they will spoil our community or they are muslims and we don't want them here. That will just make them hate us more and the british commumity. It might encourage terrorism.



I think it would be a better Idea to regenerate a Falling down area and put all the Muslim/Black Docters together in Modern Affordable houses, Rather than putting them in run down White Areas were Racist tensions will be.

ilovejordan
26-08-2006, 05:15 PM
Same as above

what? ;s

Grindie
26-08-2006, 05:15 PM
Simple Solution To Everything.

Only Allow a LIMITED Number of Immagrants in every year.
Only allow Immagrants in who will work.
Only allow Immagrants in who would be proud of Britain.
Only allow Immagrants in who have NO offences on their Record.
Dont give Ridiculous amounts of money to Immagrants.
Leave the EU so we can do all of this.
Dont place them were their not wanted.
Dont prioritise them over White People on the NHS waiting list.
Send back the ones who break the law.
Send back the ones who believe the UK & US should be bombed.
Send back the ones who are Racists towards White people.


We actually lose more money than we get in the EU.

Some good ideas there, but it'll never happen, so people will just have to start getting used to it.

Herman
26-08-2006, 05:15 PM
Yea i have nothing against muslims but i dont think i'd like it if one sat by me on a plane? I dont mean to be racist or anything but its just my reaction.
So you wouldn't like it if I sat beside you on a plane? :rolleyes:

Anyway, I agree that most terrorists are muslims, but don't go blaming the whole muslim community. As simple as that.

Hecktix
26-08-2006, 05:15 PM
Undertaker, I fully agree with you about the EU facts. I hate the EU.

SAY NO TO EUROPE. DOH! Its too late.

ilovejordan
26-08-2006, 05:16 PM
So you wouldn't like it if I sat beside you on a plane? :rolleyes:

Anyway, I agree that most terrorists are muslims, but don't go blaming the whole muslim community. As simple as that.

Your muslim?
If so no i wouldn't like it. I dont want to be racist or whatever and i have nothing against muslims, if i saw one in the street i wouldn't treat them no different than a white christian i'd just be more cautious. but i'm sorry when you hear on the news that muslims have repeatedly killed innocent people and just recently a terror plot was foiled, you can't expect everyone to be the same as they were years ago before any of this happened.

-:Undertaker:-
26-08-2006, 05:17 PM
Its not too late YET, If we get the EU Currency then its all over.

Hecktix
26-08-2006, 05:19 PM
Your muslim?
If so no. I dont want to be racist or whatever and i have nothing against muslims, if i saw one in the street i wouldn't treat them no different than a white christian i'd just be more cautious. but i'm sorry when you hear on the news that muslims have repeatedly killed innocent people and just recently a terror plot was going to be foiled, you can't expect everyone to be the same as they were years ago before any of this happened.

Kassie i understand why you feel like that. But you have to try not to. I sometimes feel paranoid on london tubes when there is a muslim holding a bag.
I dont think its racism, just paranoia of true events and what the media put into our head. But i also feel paranoid at football matches.

ideabox
26-08-2006, 05:19 PM
I think it would be a better Idea to regenerate a Falling down area and put all the Muslim/Black Docters together in Modern Affordable houses, Rather than putting them in run down White Areas were Racist tensions will be.

Good idea but shouldn't it be their choice to were they want to live. but what about halfcast people? Were do they go?

Herman
26-08-2006, 05:20 PM
Your muslim?
If so no i wouldn't like it. I dont want to be racist or whatever and i have nothing against muslims, if i saw one in the street i wouldn't treat them no different than a white christian i'd just be more cautious. but i'm sorry when you hear on the news that muslims have repeatedly killed innocent people and just recently a terror plot was going to be foiled, you can't expect everyone to be the same as they were years ago before any of this happened.
Well, throughout history, more christians have killed innocent people than muslims. I'm just saying though, not trying to push the blame to the christians, of course.

ilovejordan
26-08-2006, 05:20 PM
Kassie i understand why you feel like that. But you have to try not to. I sometimes feel paranoid on london tubes when there is a muslim holding a bag.
I dont think its racism, just paranoia of true events and what the media put into our head. But i also feel paranoid at football matches.

Its cassie ..
And i know. If anyone did it i'd be like that its not the fact that they are muslims its what they did.



Well, throughout history, more christians have killed innocent people than muslims. I'm just saying though, not trying to push the blame to the christians, of course.
examples?
And dont say the ira "/ that wasn't even about religion.

PaintYourTarget
26-08-2006, 05:22 PM
Well, throughout history, more christians have killed innocent people than muslims. I'm just saying though, not trying to push the blame to the christians, of course.

Yes. People forget our little Christian Crusades.

Hecktix
26-08-2006, 05:22 PM
Its cassie ..
And i know. If anyone did it i'd be like that its not the fact that they are muslims its what they did.

And although they appear racist, they arent racist comments. Because its not the race itself, its what people of that race have previously done in similar situations.

Now we are agreeing on that, do you understand that there are other terrorists out there other than muslims?

Mit
26-08-2006, 05:24 PM
You guys no jack, loads of bombings occur in South America by people that aren't Muslims, infact there are loads of terrorist attacks done by non Muslims.

And one i'm mixed race, i wouldnt want to moved in an area cause of my families race.

Muslims have their reasons for causing the attacks such as foreign policies, although this is stupid its the same reason why the IRA did their bombings.

And the crusades, that was basically forcing our religion on the muslims, and killing thousands of them in the process, so shhhhhhh

You gus are becoming paranoid...

ilovejordan
26-08-2006, 05:24 PM
And although they appear racist, they arent racist comments. Because its not the race itself, its what people of that race have previously done in similar situations.

Now we are agreeing on that, do you understand that there are other terrorists out there other than muslims?

Of course but i meant the majority of terrorists that actually create terror and are known and prepared to kill themselves and their children are infact muslim.



Muslims have their reasons for causing the attacks such as foreign policies, although this is stupid its the same reason why the IRA did their bombings.
All the attacks on england from terrorists recently have been for their religion not because of foreign policies.

ideabox
26-08-2006, 05:25 PM
You guys no jack, loads of bombings occur in South America by people that aren't Muslims, infact there are loads of terrorist attacks done by non Muslims.

And one i'm mixed race, i wouldnt want to moved in an area cause of my families race.

Muslims have their reasons for causing the attacks such as foreign policies, although this is stupid its the same reason why the IRA did their bombings.

And the crusades, that was basically forcing our religion on the muslims, so shhhhhhh

You gus are becoming paranoid...
*Clap*

PaintYourTarget
26-08-2006, 05:26 PM
You guys know jack.
If you're going to try and insult us then please atleast try and spell your words correctly.
We're talking about Global Terrorism which affects us, unfortunately the events in South America do not.

Hecktix
26-08-2006, 05:26 PM
Yep. There are a lot of muslim terrorists out there.

Did you know there are also extreme groups who fight against muslims though because they have the stereotypical thoughts that all muslims are terrorists?

Grindie
26-08-2006, 05:27 PM
Yep. There are a lot of muslim terrorists out there.

Did you know there are also extreme groups who fight against muslims though because they have the stereotypical thoughts that all muslims are terrorists?

Yes, that's the BNP :D

ilovejordan
26-08-2006, 05:28 PM
Yep. There are a lot of muslim terrorists out there.

Did you know there are also extreme groups who fight against muslims though because they have the stereotypical thoughts that all muslims are terrorists?

Yup i did knowthat. people have smacked innocent muslims but i think thats over reacting and way too paranoid. However as wrong as it is the extreme groups are fighting back that isn't terrorism

Hecktix
26-08-2006, 05:28 PM
Yes, that's the BNP :D

Well I was thinking more thug related.

But thats a pretty good reply.

PaintYourTarget
26-08-2006, 05:28 PM
Yes, that's the BNP :D
But they do it politically and not through media spotlighted violence.

Mit
26-08-2006, 05:29 PM
All the attacks on england from terrorists recently have been for their religion not because of foreign policies.

Thats why all the Muslim extremists are saying we'll stop this if you stop Israel bombing lebanon?...

And also it is you don't know.

PaintYourTarget
26-08-2006, 05:30 PM
Thats why all the Muslim extremists are saying we'll stop this if you stop Israel bombing lebanon?...

And also it is you don't know.
They started before the Israel conflict. Before that it was racially motivated.

Hecktix
26-08-2006, 05:31 PM
People, Remember, Suicide bombers also blow up towns in their own countries, not just ours

Mit
26-08-2006, 05:31 PM
They started before the Israel conflict. Before that it was racially motivated.

9/11 was mainly about America supporting Israel and part revenge for the Gulf War.

PaintYourTarget
26-08-2006, 05:32 PM
9/11 was mainly about America supporting Israel and part revenge for the Gulf War.
Any evidence or proof to back that claim up?

ilovejordan
26-08-2006, 05:33 PM
Thats why all the Muslim extremists are saying we'll stop this if you stop Israel bombing lebanon?...

And also it is you don't know.

no they started before all of that. The london bombings were because they hated the people of the west [us], they were promised eternal paradise after and they thought god told them too "/


9/11 was mainly about America supporting Israel and part revenge for the Gulf War.



no it wasn't lmao

Hecktix
26-08-2006, 05:33 PM
9/11 was mainly about America supporting Israel and part revenge for the Gulf War.

Yep. Very good point. Would +rep you If i could but done it too much xD

PaintYourTarget
26-08-2006, 05:34 PM
Yep. Very good point. Would +rep you If i could but done it too much xD
It's not valid at all. I have never heard that explanation and he still hasn't provided proof that it was due to that.

Hecktix
26-08-2006, 05:36 PM
It's not valid at all. I have never heard that explanation and he still hasn't provided proof that it was due to that.

You havent heard it because you only listen to the news, you dont research.

The Media didnt mention the terrorists reasons, because the Government want it to look like they dont have reasons!

Grindie
26-08-2006, 05:37 PM
9/11 Motives:

http://www.representativepress.org/Motivesfor911.html

ilovejordan
26-08-2006, 05:37 PM
You havent heard it because you only listen to the news, you dont research.

The Media didnt mention the terrorists reasons, because the Government want it to look like they dont have reasons!

Don't believe everything you hear / see / read without proof.

Mit
26-08-2006, 05:38 PM
Watch Osama bin laens video after 9/11... The people that recruit use religion partly but their goal is to change foreign policies.

Hecktix
26-08-2006, 05:38 PM
Cassie. I doubt you have. But I'll ask anyway, Have you watched Micheal Moores Farenheit 9/11?

PaintYourTarget
26-08-2006, 05:39 PM
You havent heard it because you only listen to the news, you dont research.

The Media didnt mention the terrorists reasons, because the Government want it to look like they dont have reasons!
Lmao@you. Unfortunately, I am an active member of ATS, one of the worlds largest political and conspiricy orientated discussion forums. I barely watch Tv anymore.

Farenheit 9/11 is anti-Bush propaganda and is as biast as the media and government statements.

ilovejordan
26-08-2006, 05:40 PM
Cassie. I doubt you have. But I'll ask anyway, Have you watched Micheal Moores Farenheit 9/11?

No to be honest i dont want to seeing as i know someone that died in that "/ Its probs a good film but i already have an image inside my head of how that certain person died i dont want to see it acted out on film making it worse.

Hecktix
26-08-2006, 05:40 PM
Ok then, What do you think the reasonings for 9/11 were?

Cassie, It gives you a better understanding of 9/11. And its a shame to admit it. But its all factual.

ilovejordan
26-08-2006, 05:42 PM
Ok then, What do you think the reasonings for 9/11 were?

Cassie, It gives you a better understanding of 9/11. And its a shame to admit it. But its all factual.

Something about bin laden not liking the american policy. Bin laden's been known by the americans for ages they should have killed him when they could have "/

Idc how factual it is theres some facts better left unkown in my opinion

Hecktix
26-08-2006, 05:43 PM
Now you're right. This is what is revealed on 9/11.

I find the fact that George Bush Snr. and Binladens dad had little meetings rather interesting.

PaintYourTarget
26-08-2006, 05:43 PM
Ok then, What do you think the reasonings for 9/11 were?

Cassie, It gives you a better understanding of 9/11. And its a shame to admit it. But its all factual.
I want to be sure of the actual events concerning the run up and zero hour on 9/11 before I investigate motives.

Hecktix
26-08-2006, 05:44 PM
I want to be sure of the actual events concerning the run up and zero hour on 9/11 before I investigate motives.

Watch Farenheit 9/11 if you havent already.

Grindie
26-08-2006, 05:44 PM
Again, you shouldn't believe everything you read.

ilovejordan
26-08-2006, 05:45 PM
Watch Farenheit 9/11 if you havent already.

Why should he?

PaintYourTarget
26-08-2006, 05:45 PM
Watch Farenheit 9/11 if you havent already.
I'd rather learn from an unbiased source.

You're basing your entire arguement on a mainstream anti-Bush film yet your not offering specific facts or information, just saying "watch it".

Hecktix
26-08-2006, 05:46 PM
Because he wants to know of the events surrounding, that gives quite accurate details of the events surrounding & after.

No sources will be unbaised unfortunately.

ilovejordan
26-08-2006, 05:46 PM
Again, you shouldn't believe everything you read.

exactly what i said..

Razorblades.
26-08-2006, 05:47 PM
Why should he?
Because it's a good source of information and should inform him of the things he doesn't know. o_o'

Mit
26-08-2006, 05:47 PM
http://www.holysmoke.org/sdhok/crus04.htm

We're getting our karma :( /\

PaintYourTarget
26-08-2006, 05:47 PM
I'd rather learn from an unbiased source.

You're basing your entire arguement on a mainstream anti-Bush film yet your not offering specific facts or information, just saying "watch it".
I love quoting myself.

Hecktix
26-08-2006, 05:49 PM
It is interesting. Its anti-bush yes. But it explains 9/11.

PaintYourTarget
26-08-2006, 05:50 PM
It is interesting. Its anti-bush yes. But it explains 9/11.
No, it'll concentrate on pointing out Administrive failures. I'm more concerned with how the towers themselves came down, but hey, that's a different topic.

Hecktix
26-08-2006, 05:52 PM
Right well ill tell you.
Some guys hijacked a plane and flew into them.

Watch Osamas video clips to find out the reasons.

PaintYourTarget
26-08-2006, 05:55 PM
Right well ill tell you.
Some guys hijacked a plane and flew into them.

Watch Osamas video clips to find out the reasons.
What about evidence suggesting that the towers collapsed in a fashion more associated with that of a controlled demolition? If they were indeed blown up from the inside, then that brings around a whole different set of motives concerning the event.

Hecktix
26-08-2006, 05:56 PM
Im going to stop posting on this thread now. Its making me tired lol.

Thanks to everyone who has posted their opinion, if you have put your opinion accross in a good way [whether you aggreed or disagreed with me] ive +rep you.

ilovejordan
26-08-2006, 05:59 PM
Im going to stop posting on this thread now. Its making me tired lol.

Thanks to everyone who has posted their opinion, if you have put your opinion accross in a good way [whether you aggreed or disagreed with me] ive +rep you.
because lee owned you?


What about evidence suggesting that the towers collapsed in a fashion more associated with that of a controlled demolition? If they were indeed blown up from the inside, then that brings around a whole different set of motives concerning the event.
Yea theres a lot of facts saying a plane could not have possibley done that


Right well ill tell you.
Some guys hijacked a plane and flew into them.

Watch Osamas video clips to find out the reasons.

Just because osma bin laden says something on a video it doesn't mean its true. Terrorists are known to be cunning

Razorblades.
26-08-2006, 05:59 PM
What about evidence suggesting that the towers collapsed in a fashion more associated with that of a controlled demolition? If they were indeed blown up from the inside, then that brings around a whole different set of motives concerning the event.

Said evidence is only a suggestion, what other motives would you say there would be.
Although, I agree wtih this idea, because the explosion doesn't look like it did enough to the foundations to collapse the whole building..

Hecktix
26-08-2006, 06:00 PM
because lee owned you?


Yea theres a lot of facts saying a plane could not have possibley done that



Just because osma bin laden says something on a video it doesn't mean its true. Terrorists are known to be cunning

No dear because the post is getting off topic and im tired and have stuff to do on Habbo which i have been avoiding by posting on this. xD

PaintYourTarget
26-08-2006, 06:01 PM
To be honest. There are a lot of theories floating around and a bunch of members on a teenage forum aren't going to uncover the truth. All the arguements will be the same and none will have a conclusion.

And why do you insist on talking down to Cassie and calling her 'dear'. It's been really annoying me.

Hecktix
26-08-2006, 06:02 PM
To be honest. There are a lot of theories floating around and a bunch of members on a teenage forum aren't going to uncover the truth. All the arguements will be the same and none will have a conclusion.

And why do you insist on talking down to Cassie and calling her 'dear'. It's been really annoying me.

Yep you are right. Its good to discuss it though

Razorblades.
26-08-2006, 06:03 PM
To be honest. There are a lot of theories floating around and a bunch of members on a teenage forum aren't going to uncover the truth. All the arguements will be the same and none will have a conclusion.

And why do you insist on talking down to Cassie and calling her 'dear'. It's been really annoying me.
You're probably right there.
-RunFromTopic-
<3

PaintYourTarget
26-08-2006, 06:10 PM
Well, I'm no more use here. Love to Cass and everyone who managed to construct a coherant sentance.

ilovejordan
26-08-2006, 06:15 PM
No dear because the post is getting off topic and im tired and have stuff to do on Habbo which i have been avoiding by posting on this. xD

Its not off topic its about terrorism lol


To be honest. There are a lot of theories floating around and a bunch of members on a teenage forum aren't going to uncover the truth. All the arguements will be the same and none will have a conclusion.

And why do you insist on talking down to Cassie and calling her 'dear'. It's been really annoying me.

and yea its like he's trying to intimidate me by talking down to me "/

Mit
26-08-2006, 06:16 PM
Just because osma bin laden says something on a video it doesn't mean its true. Terrorists are known to be cunning

Osama's one of the main leaders and its a common knowledge that there is a lot of hate to israel in some middle eastern countries.

Hecktix
26-08-2006, 06:16 PM
No its down to talking about 9/11.

Which i dont want to discuss for personal reasons.

PaintYourTarget
26-08-2006, 06:17 PM
Its not off topic its about terrorism lol



and yea its like he's trying to intimidate me by talking down to me "/
My poor ickle Cassie... :(

-:Undertaker:-
26-08-2006, 06:22 PM
I think a few of you are fogetting that without the Christian Crusades Britain might not of had the Industrial Revolution therefore we'd be behind in Planes, EVERYTHING.

Without all this technogly I doubt there would be any Britain for the Muslims to come to.

ilovejordan
26-08-2006, 06:33 PM
My poor ickle Cassie... :(
roflmao :(

Osama's one of the main leaders and its a common knowledge that there is a lot of hate to israel in some middle eastern countries.

ino. you said that why? :s

Mit
26-08-2006, 06:34 PM
I think a few of you are fogetting that without the Christian Crusades Britain might not of had the Industrial Revolution therefore we'd be behind in Planes, EVERYTHING.

Without all this technogly I doubt there would be any Britain for the Muslims to come to.

But that doesn't mean it was right. If everyone went on crusades to make their country better the world would be in chaos. O wait that already happend and as a result the world is having lots of problems.

And i said that because u were saying we cant be sure if thats the motive but i proving it is...

ilovejordan
26-08-2006, 06:48 PM
But that doesn't mean it was right. If everyone went on crusades to make their country better the world would be in chaos. O wait that already happend and as a result the world is having lots of problems.

And i said that because u were saying we cant be sure if thats the motive but i proving it is...

No that doesn't prove nothing

Mit
26-08-2006, 06:50 PM
I'm proving that what he said has a lot of evidence to back it up, and would someone take a hostage say, and demand things he didnt want?

ilovejordan
26-08-2006, 06:52 PM
I'm proving that what he said has a lot of evidence to back it up, and would someone take a hostage say, and demand things he didnt want?

when people have been took hostage its had nothing to do with osma.

Mit
26-08-2006, 07:36 PM
It was an example :rolleyes:

FlyingJesus
26-08-2006, 07:38 PM
No its down to talking about 9/11.

Which i dont want to discuss for personal reasons.

If you don't want to talk about 9/11 then why did you make a thread about terrorism?

RbarisR
26-08-2006, 07:39 PM
But the thing is, I can understand why football hooligans/animal activists would want to protest/ fight each other, but I find it hard to understand why terrorists would want to...

Ill try to say my view on it on an example, e.g. when america went in war with iraq etc they didnt have a good reason even if you claim they did; they tourtured all those people and the iraq government went down as america is powerfull and because of america going in iraq the people there for example who lost there husbands wife and children will want revenge and because of that they decide to bomb places but because they are muslims they will say all muslims are like that so what america does is say look what muslim people done so that is an excuse for them to go to war with more countries, get what i mean? thats my point of view...

RbarisR
26-08-2006, 07:41 PM
I think a few of you are fogetting that without the Christian Crusades Britain might not of had the Industrial Revolution therefore we'd be behind in Planes, EVERYTHING.

Without all this technogly I doubt there would be any Britain for the Muslims to come to.

Erm.. there are british muslims... even way back

luke-p
26-08-2006, 07:50 PM
No matter what skin colour most terrorists follow the Muslim religion and they are mostly extremists and call there attacks justified, They come here get looked after then repay us by blowing the **** Out of us?

Mit
26-08-2006, 07:51 PM
Tbh if you were in America and you saw Americans bombing Britain in the war on terror you'd be pretty annoyed. This still doesnt justify their actions i'm just trying to show their side.

Corq
26-08-2006, 08:06 PM
And did you never hear of the time London got bombed in the early 90's. Or the Manchester Bombing?

Them two bombings were worse than the London Tube Bombings.


In terms of loss of life, alot more people died in the Tube Bombings than Manchester.

During works experience I went to this safety presentation thing by these MI5 people, and they talked about Terroist threats these days and how different they are to the days when the IRA were at large. According to them, the IRA never aimed to kill civilians in any of their attacks, hence why they would get someone to ring them up before hand to warn them. They would know if it was a real threat because they will always use a specific code word of some kind.

Mentor
26-08-2006, 08:09 PM
terrorst = people who trys to instill terror in a population.
So yea, some animal rights activists are terrorists as are many other groups "/

Corq
26-08-2006, 08:10 PM
[B]Also, I agree that most Terroists are muslims, but there is still alot of Terroist organisations that aren't muslim. i.e the Chechniyans (sp) that attack Russia.

Mit
26-08-2006, 08:13 PM
[B]Also, I agree that most Terroists are muslims, but there is still alot of Terroist organisations that aren't muslim. i.e the Chechniyans (sp) that attack Russia.


That was the worst case of terrorism i have witnessed in my life when they shot down innocent school children in the masses.

Hecktix
26-08-2006, 08:14 PM
Is this thread still going? Lol. Some good points still being made.

ClaireRawksSox
26-08-2006, 08:15 PM
I Totally Agree With Hecktix!! The IRA Are Terrorists As Much As The Muslims.. People Just Seem To Think That The Only Terrorists Are Muslims Only Because All The People Being Questioned About 9/11 Are Muslims .. Doesn't Mean That ALL Terrorists Are Muslims.

Does That Make Sence? Lawl x

Mentor
26-08-2006, 08:24 PM
[B]Also, I agree that most Terroists are muslims, but there is still alot of Terroist organisations that aren't muslim. i.e the Chechniyans (sp) that attack Russia.


Naa, most terrorist aint muslims, Just most the ones that get media coverage are. Fanatical christans firebombing abortion clinics in the US, go unheard of. Terorism in pretty much any contary outside eurpoe an the US is pretty much complaty ignored, such as in africa where in some places the problems are worse than irack...

Hecktix
26-08-2006, 08:25 PM
Naa, most terrorist aint muslims, Just most the ones that get media coverage are. Fanatical christans firebombing abortion clinics in the US, go unheard of. Terorism in pretty much any contary outside eurpoe an the US is pretty much complaty ignored, such as in africa where in some places the problems are worse than irack...

Thats the best opinion i've seen in this whole thread xD

FlyingJesus
26-08-2006, 08:37 PM
The IRA Are Terrorists As Much As The Muslims..

No they aren't, they aren't militant any more ^_^

Mentor
26-08-2006, 09:17 PM
No they aren't, they aren't militant any more ^_^
Nore are muslims, they never were.

IRA were Terrorists. That doesnt mean all irish are terrorists?
Al kiedia are terroists. Everyone thinks that means all muslims are terrorists...


Anyone notice the problem there?

FlyingJesus
26-08-2006, 09:30 PM
No, not all Muslims are terrorists, but even if there's one militant Muslim that makes them more like terrorists than the IRA just on the basis that the IRA aren't active. I wasn't really making a point, just felt like letting people know.

On the topic of terrorism: I think people are too worried about it all. After 9/11 terrorism scares went sky high, but actual terrorist acts haven't really increased that much. Europe has been getting them for decades, it's just because America aren't used to being attacked on their own turf that such a fuss was made of it and such a large media coverage was placed on it.

Gavin.
26-08-2006, 09:31 PM
It means that people generalise.
And we do.
How many times have you poked fun at an emo/chav?
Thinking they are all like the stereotype?

They are not doing it for their god, the Koran teaches peace not war, they are doing it for the ones that have brainwashed them.
Osama Bin Laden is a genius, but I do not agree with him at all, any man that can brainwash and twist that amount of people is smart.

Mentor
26-08-2006, 10:03 PM
It means that people generalise.
And we do.
How many times have you poked fun at an emo/chav?
Thinking they are all like the stereotype?

If they are an emo or chav they do fit that steriotype. If they didnt fit that steriotype they wouldnt be a emo or chav. Emo and chav ARE steroptypes...

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