Should Fox Hunting Be Banned ?

[partie2]

Well i think fox hunting is sick and wrong how can you find fun in killing a poor fox !

But what do you think ?

[AngJum]

It's already banned in Scotland :)

[G-flow]

YA i agree , tis sick indeed! I find the killing of any animal sick..just as bad...

[Mentor]

I find it pretty od how many of you are compleat and utter hypocrits, while you say fox hunting is sick, most of you support killing 100's of thousands of other animals so you can eat meat. I east meat and am happy to, its nature.

[AngJum]

Foxes get killed in sick ways, but so do other animals; cattle, pigs etc and I eat animals, I eat no vegetables as I don't like them. I see no other area of food to eat

[GommeInc]

Dont ban fox hunting.

Foxes have no proper role in this life, if they went extinct it wont do anything, more important animals like Common Buzzards would return to England and they are moe better than foxes as some land next to you and have a conversation with you. Don't believe me, ask my brother, he was holding his wittle kestrel and this buzzard flew down asking for food. WOuld a fox do that? No because they are moody stinky germ ridden vermin.


Why are foxes vermin?

All day long they do the usual dog thing, roll around in **** and poop. WIthout an owner, they dont get cleaned, therefore they walk around our houses at night spreading germs.

I find it funny that you would rather save a fox than a sheep or any other animals, which is way more friendlier and cleaner than any stinky fox.

I dont want fox hunting banned, as I think, the sooner foxes are extinct in England, the better.

Bye bye stink germ ridden fox.

Save the Bunnies!

[AngJum]

If all the foxes were wiped out, well maybe not completly the food chain would be effected DRAMATICALLY, there would be more rabbits, rabbits eat vegetables like cabbage and then the emount of cabbages producted by a farmer would be much smaller, then where would we get our food from?

[GommeInc]

Um, more animals eat rabbits you know.

Common Buzzards would probably become more common again.
Sparrow Hawks would be more common.
Cats and Dogs would have less competition.

Mainly it is bird of prey because England used to be filled with them until people cared for germ ridden animals like foxes.

[AngJum]

What other animals eat rabbits then?

[GommeInc]

I just gave you a list my dear.

Cats, Dogs, Sparrow Hawks, Harris Hawks, Common Buzzards.

They dont leave a mess and are more useful than a stinky fox.

[StaticChaz]

:eusa_snoo Keep Tradition, Keep The Hunt!!!

The new law justifise killing them in a much worse way

[AngJum]

Cats eat foxes do they? :s Sparrow Hawks, Harris Hawks, Common Buzzards do aswell? :s

[partie2]

well foxes are killed in a slow painful way but animals like cow`s ect. are killed in a fast way. and a fox is wild animal but a cow is born in a farm for the sole reason to end up on someone`s plate.

[AngJum]

Yeah Partie, well said

[GommeInc]

What other animals eat rabbits then?

You said Angy what other animals kill Rabbits, not foxes.

Although birds of prey could kill a fox, but I am not entirely sure.

Foxes may be pretty, but I plainly hate the. At least birds of prey wash unlike stinky foxes that are covered in germs as they role around in their own excretions all day long.

Foxes are annoyingly useless in this world, no one likes them other than people who say 'They look pretty.'

I say keep fox hunting and wipe them ASAP

[StaticChaz]

FOXES ARE VERMIN!!! THEY WILL KILL OUR CROPS IF WERE NOT CAREFUL

[GommeInc]

They wont kill crops, they will spread disease in them

[StaticChaz]

thats even worse then i guess but in scotland people are saying that there out of control coz theres so many

[Escalabar]

Right this subject confuses me - It says on the news that fox hunting is banned in England and Wales now. Yet you then see the next day on the news all the riders and hounds going out again :S

I belive that it should be banned because it is an evil thing to do and all of the fox hunters themselves should be shot.

[Jacko2kn3]

Escalabar, they found a loophole in the law. I haven't looked at what the loop hole is exactly, I may do later.

[Mentor]

I still cant belive how hypocritacl some people are. Fox hunting is evil? well maybe becuse some of you eat meat, we should gte fed to the cows pigs and chickens we eat?
Its a fox, its not conios of its own being, it runs of instinct, it doesnt cair wether its dead or alive, or whats happening to it, tahts the differnce between humans and animals, humans cair, animals dont

[GommeInc]

Right this subject confuses me - It says on the news that fox hunting is banned in England and Wales now. Yet you then see the next day on the news all the riders and hounds going out again :S

I belive that it should be banned because it is an evil thing to do and all of the fox hunters themselves should be shot.
And judging by your comment you want butchers shot, fishermen shot, people who put animals down shot.

Not very clever are we

[partie2]

Well how would you like it if a dog ran up to you and starting biting you.

Fox Hunters are Sick becuase how can you find fun in killing a defenceless fox.

[GommeInc]

WHo cares, foxes have no use in England, they spread disease and are annoying if you are a farmer, you cant eat them, use their skins for coats nothing, just kill the vermin!

[Convictions]

I bet most of you have never been on a hunt, i have had the privelidge to ride with one as i visit england alot (hunting relatives) before you condemn them, think.

Keep tradition, foxes are pests and kill farmers stuff, spook horses and stuff.

Hate to cause any controversy there, its just that this is a matter close to my heart and i may get carried away. My apology to anyone i may offend regarding any future posts in this thread ;)

[GommeInc]

Valid reasons why foxes are annoying vermin and pests

[partie2]

Why are foxs vermin ?

They were in the country side before the farms where made there and also the only reason they come into towns becuase people drop there rubbish and also where the towns and city`s are made is where the foxs homes were before they were forced out.

BAN FOX HUNTING !!!!!!!!!!!! :@

[Jamie]

YES! it should be
All over the world,
You killing an innocent animal that has done nothing wrong, just think if someone shot you and you were taken away from your parents, family even children. The fox also has alife!
and its not fair to call a fox vermin :(

[Szam]

You say keep tradition keep the hunt and that foxes are vermin etc and should be controlled.
Why cant this be done in a humane way? Fox hunting is what these hunters do and get pleasure out of chasing down a very scared animal. There is a difference between PEST CONTROL and a blood thirsty killing sport! If foxes do become a problem then im sure the government would do the correct thing in manageing there numbers.

[Mentor]

No one cairs about the poor deffencless cows, pigs that are being killed every day to feed us. Thay cuase no problems at all, unlike a fox, spreading diesise, killing farmers animals and people pets.
If a fox isnt vermin, nore are rats, or mice, consideing a RAT is far far cleaner less vioslus animal than a fox.

Foxes are animals stop humanifiing them, they have no conisose they have no awareness they are no more alive than a balde of grass in fact. nor a bug.

[partie2]

Cows dont die like foxs do when they are hunted. the cows have a swift death and they are brought up to be killed and to end up as food but the foxs are wild animals who have done nothing to anyone else. The reason fox`s come into towns/ citys becuase people drop rubbish ect. and it attracts them also where those towns and citys are it use to be those fox`s homes before man kind built over it !


BAN FOX HUNTING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :@

[Mentor]

humans didnt click there fingers and creat cows and pigs etc becue we were hungary you know. We built of there lands to.
Foxs attack cows pig and give them hugly more slow and painful deaths than foxes get.

Anyway the fox hunting ban has nothing to do with being nice to foxes becuse it doest stop the real inhuman ways to kill them, poisneing for exsapmaple cuase them an aginisng death spread of weeks even months, do you think a fox would prefer that over a quick cuple second death? well truthly a fox woulnt cair as its not counise, it cairs about as much as a headge does at being trimed

[GommeInc]

I just found some useful information

Only horse back with hounds is illegal.

Fox Shooting and Trapping are still legal. Oh well, i guess they're a way of killing the vermin. Also, in religious terms, man has control over the earth and animals, therefore we can do what we ruddy well like to the pests. KILL THEM, make them extinct! No one would care! Also, the death of foxes in parties post shows that foxes get killed to make us survive.

[Ryan]

i think its barbaric (big word :s ) but its not so bad chasing little ginger furry vermin lol

[GommeInc]

I have had a thought, perhaps I am gingerist lol

[ttranquility.]

I know. What has the fox ever done too you? When you fox hunt it's like killing a part of the forest. And,infact,it is. By killing the fox . And the fox lives in the forest. -.- And what if its a female and has cubs ? YOU WOULD BE KILLING A FAMILY. :p and what if someone randomly came up too you and shot you? xD

[GommeInc]

Killing a human and kill a fox are different.

Also, Fox Shooting and FOx Trapping are legal, not illegal. Fox Hunting however is illegal, as it is more inhuman, so I am happy if it gets banned, I can gladdly say i have seen my brother shoot a fox as it was trying to get our pet tawny owl, which Mentor should know, is annoyingly cute.

[Ryan]

I know. What has the fox ever done too you?

what if i was a farmer?
what if my chickens were getting killed everynight by foxes?

[Mentor]

Killing a human and kill a fox are different.

Also, Fox Shooting and FOx Trapping are legal, not illegal. Fox Hunting however is illegal, as it is more inhuman, so I am happy if it gets banned, I can gladdly say i have seen my brother shoot a fox as it was trying to get our pet tawny owl, which Mentor should know, is annoyingly cute.
And never stops shuts up from what i remember.

Anyway i still think the whole bans pointless, and on a pointless subject, all it does is annoy some people. Foxes still die etc, nothing chnages exsoet now we have grumpy ex huntsmen, who now have to go about killing there horses and dogs as it would be crewl to make them live if they had to be shut up for there lives.

[GommeInc]

Scratch that Ryan, what if I was a pregnat woman, and my children could of made something to make the world a better place?

[Ryan]

im lost in this now :s

[ttranquility.]

what if i was a farmer?
what if my chickens were getting killed everynight by foxes?


Chickens arnt going on the endangour list. but foxes ARE.

[GommeInc]

Dear nerdxox1,

Foxes going extinct won't change the world, they are useless.

[ttranquility.]

so. They are still like every other thing in the world. Lazy people are useless and if they die? Wont you still be sad?

[GommeInc]

No, Lazy People wont die out? No one is stupid enough to kill everyone lazy in the world.

[Mentor]

Lazy people wont die out, there's to many of us :D

[Ryan]

damn if lazy people were shot id be dead by now

yeah foxes even tho they are animals, they are useless

[GommeInc]

Long live lazyness and not live foxes!

[Ryan]

lol die ginger rascels grrrrr lol

[GommeInc]

Shoot them, trap them, burn them. Who cares about hunting them, kill them off!

[ttranquility.]

:\ your so. not getting the point. rofll x] If ONE lazy person died. ok? and that lazy person killed over like 348 foxes? ok. WHAT IF ONE DAY YOU NEED A FOX? ok. and still when one fox dies a family dies . And if you were someone who's dad left you when you were like 3 months old,and the foxe's mom got shot,and the baby foxes were all alone,and the mom was left all alone with like 2 babys. or even more. THOSE FOX BABY'S WOULD DIE. OK.

[Mentor]

That post was confing.
" and that lazy person killed over like 348 foxes?" lazy people are to lazy to kill foxes
"WHAT IF ONE DAY YOU NEED A FOX?" i still cant think of any reason i would despertly need a fox?

[ttranquility.]

lmaoo xD er, hm? OH OH , because what if you are cought in a buring forest and all there is,is a fox and it saved your life (ITS BEEN DONE BEFORE.)

[Mentor]

lmaoo xD er, hm? OH OH , because what if you are cought in a buring forest and all there is,is a fox and it saved your life (ITS BEEN DONE BEFORE.)
yea but i dont nessaly need a fox, i could easly just use a badger insted?

[GommeInc]

:\ your so. not getting the point. rofll x] If ONE lazy person died. ok? and that lazy person killed over like 348 foxes? ok. WHAT IF ONE DAY YOU NEED A FOX? ok. and still when one fox dies a family dies . And if you were someone who's dad left you when you were like 3 months old,and the foxe's mom got shot,and the baby foxes were all alone,and the mom was left all alone with like 2 babys. or even more. THOSE FOX BABY'S WOULD DIE. OK.

Humans don't need foxes, they dont do anything, mummy animals can look after many babies, just because a dumb female fox cant doesnt mean all female animals cant. Just because one fox dies doesn't mean an entire family dies, as 1 male may be apart of 5 families...

Give me one good thing a fox does other than lower the amount of rabbits as that is not a good thing as other animals would fill the gap.

[Jacko2kn3]

yea but i dont nessaly need a fox, i could easly just use a badger insted?

LMAO! That post made me laugh, +rep :P

Obviously foxes aren't going to die out. When their numbers get nearer to extinction someone will take some foxes into a controlled environment so they do not die out.

[partie2]

If foxs were hunted and the number of them when dramtically down then it would change the whole eco system !

[GommeInc]

Please give an example of a change in the eco system and not randomly post facts like you all are doing

[Ryan]

foxes are pretty much at the top of the food chain so it wouldnt do ne thing there

[GommeInc]

exactly,

a fox dies, another more better predator takes over.

[ttranquility.]

:\ so. would you eat a fox? Would you use its fur . You would Have too KILL IT to use its fur. And its no fair to the fox. If some random person was hunting you down and then One day BOOM! You were shot in the head or something. You would die In a snap of a finger. HOW would you feel ?

[Ryan]

id feel dead

[GommeInc]

:\ so. would you eat a fox? Would you use its fur . You would Have too KILL IT to use its fur. And its no fair to the fox. If some random person was hunting you down and then One day BOOM! You were shot in the head or something. You would die In a snap of a finger. HOW would you feel ?
No offence but you're very blind.

Foxes fur cannot be used, you cannot eat a fox as it is toxic aka rolls around in its own poopsies and doesnt wash, it would kill you. Foxes fur is impossible to use as it tears easily and you are wearing fox poop, but thats if you havent washed it, if you have washed it, the hair would come out. I said this ages ago, sheesh.

Plus you have NOT read Mentors posts, Foxes have no conscience, they are only alive to eat and run by pure instinct.

At least read posts before you post yourself, gomme almight devons a shirt.

[ttranquility.]

id feel dead


LMAO ahahahaha nice. xD -gives rep-

[Jane]

Well, I am against it. The point is that Fox Hunting is for fun, where as killing cows, chickens etc is for food. I am a vegetarian I also would like to point out, so please dont reply saying " But you eat cows and chickens! "

[GommeInc]

I am ok with some Vegetarians,

But Fox Hunting isnt always for fun, it is to lower the amount of foxes in farms, especially around scotland. Farmers hire Fox Hunters to clear the off their land arrrrr

Although, Fox Hunting maybe banned, you are still allowed to Trap them aka Fox Trapd where they get their leg chopped off in a trap *yay*

You can still shoot them, where they die a quick painless dead.

I guess they're more nicer than fox hunting.

[partie2]

Foxs are wild aminals and the only reason why they come into towns are citys becuase of people droping rubbish and where these towns and citys have been built it used to be the foxs homes.

BAN FOX HUNTING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :@

[Concentric]

If the whole essence of your arguement is that the foxes are a pest and that you are hunting them to control their numbers, then why are you disputing the ban? Under the ban you can still shoot and trap the foxes, so why does it matter that you can't do it on the back of a horse or with your dog?

[sarah261090]

FOX HUNTING SHOULD NOT BE BANNED. WOULD YOU RATHER THE FOXES WERE SHOT INSTEAD??? MORE FOXES WILL BE KILLED NOW AS FARMERS WONT RID OF THEM AND THE ONLY LEGAL WAY, IS TO SHOOT 'EM. WHY BREAK TRADITION? :eusa_eh: I BET YOU DIDNT NO THAT THERE ARE TWICE AS MANY FOXES NOW THAN EVER B4 !!! SO THE POPULATION OF FOXES AINT DECREASING! AS MY SIGNATURE SAYS... KEEP TRADITION KEEP THE HUNT!!!

[partie2]

Well if the foxs were shot then it would be a less painful and slow death for the fox it is a quick death but i dont think they should be shot aswell but then it is better then them getting chased by savage dogs !

[Ryan]

nerdox1 whatever ur name is .... ur fighting a losing battle and take it out by giving offencive reps ... ur 1 sad loser i swear

[GommeInc]

If the whole essence of your arguement is that the foxes are a pest and that you are hunting them to control their numbers, then why are you disputing the ban? Under the ban you can still shoot and trap the foxes, so why does it matter that you can't do it on the back of a horse or with your dog?
I think the ban should happen even though the ban doesnt cover trapping and shooting

[Mentor]

Consideing, if you think about it ALOT more foxes will die becuse of the ban.
I mean, farmers can still kill them becuse there pests. But now they cant hunt them, so the foxes a farmer may allow to live on his land, so they can be hunted, now he will just shoot to get rid of. So basicly the ban will be responcible for more foxes deatsh than it saves.

[GommeInc]

I see aswell and I think it is very true.

Fox Hunters are hired by Farmers, Fox Hunters are not always successful in catching a fox.

Therefore, a farmer gets his trusty gun out, and a gun is more acurate than a fox hound.

[partie2]

Well i would prefer if no foxs are killed but if they are killed by a gun and not by a savage dog killing them. If they get killed by a gun it is a quick death and not a long drawn out death like it is when foxs are used.

[GommeInc]

You do realise, they dont know when they're being killed dont you?

It may be sick to us but to them, they have no conscious so it wouldn't hurt them, Foxes arent like us you know, if they were, they would be second smartest animal and could probably act way different they do now.

[partie2]

so are you saying foxs dont feel pain

[GommeInc]

Yep,

they haven't evolved enough, they may yap occasionally, but I think if you have your skin ripped to shreads, some parts would be num and some parts would have no feeling, that would be if the fox had feelings like us.

A fox however, does kinda feel pain, but not in the painful way, they only yowl and yap as it is an instinct to when in pain.

[Mentor]

They feel pain, not in the snece a human was. to them its just. Your under attack, stay alive. As they are not conisusos they do not cair, humans are the only animal alive at the moment that does have the mental capasity to cair. A fox isnt aware that its alive, its brain funcction doent get beoned, Get food, get water, reporduse, sleep, run im under attack (or attack back if its bigger).

[partie2]

what do you mean foxs do feel pain but not in a painful way !

so are you saying if they dont stand up and say oi that hurts stop it then its ok.

[GommeInc]

I mean they feel they are in pain but they're don't feel the agonising bit, it is sort of like a numbness.

[Mentor]

No im saying what they feel is closer to me sitting next to you and telling you your under attack and you should run threw it.

Thats all pain is, a warning send to the brain, but the fox only has the reaction, liek when you touch somthing how and your unawre you quickly retract your hand, without making a consios effort to, the foxes only have that bit, not the ouch it burns bit, mainly becus ethere brains cannot interprit data that complext,

[OPS2]

there is no fun in killing foxs and i think they should ban it and people who kill foxs should be ashamed of their self and also they think its funny aswell because how would they like it if we killed them? :eusa_booh

[Mentor]

umm. this whole toipics here becuse they DID ban it.

Anyway there pests who kill farmers animals, if you have the right to swat a fly just for it flying around. a farmer defintly has the right to kill a fox after its killed a load of there animals.

[Mined]

yes itv very cruel.

[pva-matt]

I think it should be deffinately, it is cruel and politcly inccorrect. As In my eyes it is a form of murder.

[Mentor]

It is banned doesnt anyone watch, read or listen to any form of news?

People need to think things threw anyway the fox hunting ban is most likly going to KILL a far greater amount of foxes than it could ever hope to save.

[Mit]

i dont like seeing foxes killed for sport, if it was for food then i wouldnt object

[Escalabar]

I agree with Mit, it is the fact that they are being killed for fun that is the issue here. If they were being killed to give resources to humans then it wouln't be such a major issue.

[-JT-]

Fox hunting is a tradition, it should NOT be banned, thats just stupid man.