Sexuality.

[benjamin]

Do you think that it's like, inevitable? Like as it's already set in some way before someone is born what their sexuality is? Or like, do you think it's adaptable through childhood, or their environment? Or like, through genetics?

I'd like to see other peoples views on this because I've been thinking about it a lot recently.

[Neurotic2]

Their enviroment, especially how other boys/girls act towards them,

[benjamin]

I had a thought that it could be due to like, having divorced parents? I thought if you only really grow up with a mum there all the time [like I did] it could change things.

[!?!jAy2K7!?!]

u aint gay lol

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[benjamin]

u aint gay lol
I know I'm bi. But still prefer boys, so who are you to judge?

[Neurotic2]

I know I'm bi. But still prefer boys, so who are you to judge?

ignore him he's some noob who gets off from trying to act hard on a forum.

[liquid]

I had a thought that it could be due to like, having divorced parents? I thought if you only really grow up with a mum there all the time [like I did] it could change things.

I think that sorta thing does have an effect on your sexuality.
But some people seem to be born gay.

it's confusing.

[myke]

I don't think it's through having divorced parents, I believe how you feel around others and how they feel about you.

Edit: Btw, ignore Mr. Newb.

[!?!jAy2K7!?!]

he aint even gay u fools

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[dirrty]

I think its the environment.

But it is hard to explain.


he aint even gay u fools

Shut up you bum cheese. You dont know or care how someone feels so i advice you to shut up and let people who want to have a good discussion carry on with it.

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[benjamin]

he aint even gay u fools
**** off ******** ;_; why the hell would i pretend to be bi when im not? sorry i have a life, unlike it's VERY obvious you don't, you sspend all day on this forum making ****ty alts and everything thinking you're and even bigger **** than before, so well done.

&to everyone else.

helen i kinda agree with you, like i think some people are like more attached/closer to their mum too, can make a difference.

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[uh huh her]

he aint even gay u fools

sthu, your such an immature ******. why don't you leave, & maybe come back when your balls finally drop?

i think its to do with how you grow up, because i've only known im bi for the past year really. though i found out last night my sisters best mate was gay, & he said he'd known all his life.
so really the environment you grow up in, & some genetics.

[Tristan]

I think it's about the people that you know.
It's either my hormones or the people but I feel more attracted to boys than I used to be. Like I said though, might just be my hormones.
I have grown up with just my mum, and two grandparents. That might be a factor too. Not sure.

[camera]

defo childhood/environment.
i mean now that its becoming a trend and stuff.... though some of them then decided on their sexuality and such. its complicated lolz

[Starburst..x]

I think your born either gay or straight, I just don't see how your enviroment can decide your sexuality. The same way as someone can't suddenly turn from gay to straight, or straight to gay.

[RedStratocas]

I think your born either gay or straight, I just don't see how your enviroment can decide your sexuality. The same way as someone can't suddenly turn from gay to straight, or straight to gay.

It depends on what you mean by 'born' gay. It's a prefernce, so its the same thing as saying youre 'born' likeing cheese. Its the same thing.

I hate how people are looking for a 'gay gene'. Its really dumb. First off, that wont help. If for some reason there is a 'gay gene' (there isnt, it makes no sense for there to be), people will start saying 'Its not their fault theyre gay!' which is aweful. It makes it sound like a disease.

[Nether$]

sthu, your such an immature ******. why don't you leave, & maybe come back when your balls finally drop?

^ Lol i agree + REP ^

READ PLZ:

I know im attracted to men, and i will choose men over women any day, but when i see a buff (sorry slang) - good looking- girl walk buy it doesnt stop me from checking her out. i never feel anything sexual towards women, just men.

anyway there is this simple test you can do to find out if you are or not, i saw it in a newspaper a cpl of years ago.

place your hands flat on a table, if your 2nd and 4th fingers are the same lengh you are str8, and if they are different you are gay. it worked for me and everyone else i told it to. what do you think?

also if this was proven would it prove you are born gay?
Everyone who reads this i ask to do it and post if it works for you or not!

[liquid]

^ Lol i agree + REP ^

READ PLZ:

I know im attracted to men, and i will choose men over women any day, but when i see a buff (sorry slang) - good looking- girl walk buy it doesnt stop me from checking her out. i never feel anything sexual towards women, just men.

anyway there is this simple test you can do to find out if you are or not, i saw it in a newspaper a cpl of years ago.

place your hands flat on a table, if your 2nd and 4th fingers are the same lengh you are str8, and if they are different you are gay. it worked for me and everyone else i told it to. what do you think?

also if this was proven would it prove you are born gay?
Everyone who reads this i ask to do it and post if it works for you or not!

that's total bull.
mine are different legnths, and i'm straight.
most people's are different legnths, but most people ain't gay.

[fetish]

i dunno i think about this sometimes, Its scarey and hard to explain ;)
im just going to like see other peoples views n disagree n agree bcoz im a bit thick on this subject

[Chaz]

^ Lol i agree + REP ^

READ PLZ:

I know im attracted to men, and i will choose men over women any day, but when i see a buff (sorry slang) - good looking- girl walk buy it doesnt stop me from checking her out. i never feel anything sexual towards women, just men.

anyway there is this simple test you can do to find out if you are or not, i saw it in a newspaper a cpl of years ago.

place your hands flat on a table, if your 2nd and 4th fingers are the same lengh you are str8, and if they are different you are gay. it worked for me and everyone else i told it to. what do you think?

also if this was proven would it prove you are born gay?
Everyone who reads this i ask to do it and post if it works for you or not!


lmaoo, im str8, and there diffrent lengths, they always are :rolleyes:

[Eamonn]

^ Lol i agree + REP ^

READ PLZ:

I know im attracted to men, and i will choose men over women any day, but when i see a buff (sorry slang) - good looking- girl walk buy it doesnt stop me from checking her out. i never feel anything sexual towards women, just men.

anyway there is this simple test you can do to find out if you are or not, i saw it in a newspaper a cpl of years ago.

place your hands flat on a table, if your 2nd and 4th fingers are the same lengh you are str8, and if they are different you are gay. it worked for me and everyone else i told it to. what do you think?

also if this was proven would it prove you are born gay?
Everyone who reads this i ask to do it and post if it works for you or not!
OMG!! Are you FIVE?!?!?!? Next your going to say ''Channel 4's gay test actually proves if you are gay or not''
Omg your such an idiot ahahha omg dumarse sorry I am LIRL severly at your stupidness.

[RedStratocas]

place your hands flat on a table, if your 2nd and 4th fingers are the same lengh you are str8, and if they are different you are gay. it worked for me and everyone else i told it to. what do you think?

Thats probably the dumbest thing Ive ever heard. What do your fingers have to do with being gay? Its like saying if you have hitchhiker's thumb, youve seen a shooting star. It doesnt ad up.

And arent your 2nd and 4th fingers your middle finger and pinky? If so, I have never seen anyone, gay or straight have a middle finger and pinky the same size.

[kreechin]

^ Lol i agree + REP ^

READ PLZ:

I know im attracted to men, and i will choose men over women any day, but when i see a buff (sorry slang) - good looking- girl walk buy it doesnt stop me from checking her out. i never feel anything sexual towards women, just men.

anyway there is this simple test you can do to find out if you are or not, i saw it in a newspaper a cpl of years ago.

place your hands flat on a table, if your 2nd and 4th fingers are the same lengh you are str8, and if they are different you are gay. it worked for me and everyone else i told it to. what do you think?

also if this was proven would it prove you are born gay?
Everyone who reads this i ask to do it and post if it works for you or not!


Thats like saying the thing people do with their hands.
saying put your thumb and finger next to your thump in an 'L' shape and thats the size of your peenis.
Its just a theory and hasnt been scientificly proved.
which i hight doubt it ever will be.
Theres more truth in the myth that sticking your finger up your bum will stop hickups than the finger one for being straight or gay.

[English]

I personally think it's because of the environment and your surroundings. I think that if you live with your mum and a few sisters you're more likely to become gay/bi because of the amount of females around you and therefore getting more female stuff e.g them saying a guy on tv is fit and stuff like that. However I'm not saying this is relevant to all people who live with their mums/sisters. Also if you are around a homophobic dad you may become gay but be reluctant to admit it and try and make yourself straight - impossible?

[Cheep]

No matter what people say it has nothing to do with social facors or things which happen in your life. If your parents got divorced it would have nothing to do with it, if you had an older sister it would have nothing to with it etc..

It's determined before you were born, simple as. And from when you are born it has every influence on your life, even when you were young and you did not even realise. For instance, if you got on really well with girls and many other things. About the post above, living with lots of girls does not make a difference. For example, i know a boy with 5 sisters and his dad is away from home a lot but hes not gay, and hes hardly feminate. Maybe if you do live with lots of affluential female characters you adopt some of their ways, but it cannot affetc you psycologically [sp?], for someone to be turned gay they'd have to be pretty darned messed up for someone to shape their sexuality.

[RedStratocas]

I personally think it's because of the environment and your surroundings. I think that if you live with your mum and a few sisters you're more likely to become gay/bi because of the amount of females around you and therefore getting more female stuff e.g them saying a guy on tv is fit and stuff like that. However I'm not saying this is relevant to all people who live with their mums/sisters. Also if you are around a homophobic dad you may become gay but be reluctant to admit it and try and make yourself straight - impossible?

Actually theyre saying that the more brothers a boy has growing up is shown to increase chances of being gay.

[RedStratocas]

No matter what people say it has nothing to do with social facors or things which happen in your life. If your parents got divorced it would have nothing to do with it, if you had an older sister it would have nothing to with it etc..

It's determined before you were born, simple as. And from when you are born it has every influence on your life, even when you were young and you did not even realise. For instance, if you got on really well with girls and many other things. About the post above, living with lots of girls does not make a difference. For example, i know a boy with 5 sisters and his dad is away from home a lot but hes not gay, and hes hardly feminate. Maybe if you do live with lots of affluential female characters you adopt some of their ways, but it cannot affetc you psycologically [sp?], for someone to be turned gay they'd have to be pretty darned messed up for someone to shape their sexuality.

Everyone says 'Born with it'. What do you mean by 'born with it'?

Like I said before. It's prefference, just like everything else. Are you born liking cheese, or liking rock music?

[vibrant]

I agree with Matt2

[Cheep]

Everyone says 'Born with it'. What do you mean by 'born with it'?

Like I said before. It's prefference, just like everything else. Are you born liking cheese, or liking rock music?

In a way is preffrence, but its a decided prefrence. I can say, i like cheese but i'm deciding not to eat it. But i can't say, i am gay but because society doesn't agree with it i'm going to turn straight, i'd still have urges, unlike i would with giivng up a material object. Do you get my point?

[RedStratocas]

In a way is preffrence, but its a decided prefrence. I can say, i like cheese but i'm deciding not to eat it. But i can't say, i am gay but because society doesn't agree with it i'm going to turn straight, i'd still have urges, unlike i would with giivng up a material object. Do you get my point?

But then doesnt that come down to enviornment?

[benjamin]

^ Lol i agree + REP ^

READ PLZ:

I know im attracted to men, and i will choose men over women any day, but when i see a buff (sorry slang) - good looking- girl walk buy it doesnt stop me from checking her out. i never feel anything sexual towards women, just men.

anyway there is this simple test you can do to find out if you are or not, i saw it in a newspaper a cpl of years ago.

place your hands flat on a table, if your 2nd and 4th fingers are the same lengh you are str8, and if they are different you are gay. it worked for me and everyone else i told it to. what do you think?

also if this was proven would it prove you are born gay?
Everyone who reads this i ask to do it and post if it works for you or not!
lol... mine are the same length

oh &i don't agree with cheep's theory.

[BEYONCE 4]

envirnment or w/e.

[Cheep]

Havn't scientists prove its to do with the amount of chromosones?

Anyway, it is NOT environment.
Environment can shape many things, for instance if you grow up in a rough council estate in a family of chavs you are likely to become one yourself, and adopt some of your parents ways.
But if a gay couple adopted a child when thye were a baby can you say 100% that it will grow up to be a homosexual? You cannot. It's impossible to shape someones emotions, but it is possible to shape somebodys personality.

[nets]

Havn't scientists prove its to do with the amount of chromosones?

Anyway, it is NOT environment.
Environment can shape many things, for instance if you grow up in a rough council estate in a family of chavs you are likely to become one yourself, and adopt some of your parents ways.
But if a gay couple adopted a child when thye were a baby can you say 100% that it will grow up to be a homosexual? You cannot. It's impossible to shape someones emotions, but it is possible to shape somebodys personality.
I'm sure there are some people who live on council estates who aren't chavs, that's a pretty crap explanation TBH.

[benjamin]

Havn't scientists prove its to do with the amount of chromosones?

Anyway, it is NOT environment.
Environment can shape many things, for instance if you grow up in a rough council estate in a family of chavs you are likely to become one yourself, and adopt some of your parents ways.
But if a gay couple adopted a child when thye were a baby can you say 100% that it will grow up to be a homosexual? You cannot. It's impossible to shape someones emotions, but it is possible to shape somebodys personality.
no, they havn't. and as joshuar said that explanation is utter crap.

[nets]

I'm not intending to offend anyone here, but lesbians generally do look look more masculine.. and they're born like that?

[Nether$]

Use a condom, im sure you dont want a child at the age of 15.

also even if you are under 16 and she es it is only you who is breaking the law.
although they may say so in sex ed, ,the age of concent for a girl is 16, boys dont have one, however it is illegal for anyone over the age of 16 to have sex with someone under.

what i am saying is its legal for her to have sex with you, but illegal to have sex with her, so if anyone finds out you will be treated as a sex offender (and that is according to the law)

[benjamin]

Use a condom, im sure you dont want a child at the age of 15.

also even if you are under 16 and she es it is only you who is breaking the law.
although they may say so in sex ed, ,the age of concent for a girl is 16, boys dont have one, however it is illegal for anyone over the age of 16 to have sex with someone under.

what i am saying is its legal for her to have sex with you, but illegal to have sex with her, so if anyone finds out you will be treated as a sex offender (and that is according to the law)
:s Wrong thread?

[Cheep]

no, they havn't. and as joshuar said that explanation is utter crap.

I'm not the one trying to convince people that being surrounded by women makes you a homosexual.

Besides, it was a loose example. Let's face it, you don't see many people walking around in emo-kid gettup who live with a large family of chavs.

[benjamin]

I'm not the one trying to convince people that being surrounded by women makes you a homosexual.

Besides, it was a loose example. Let's face it, you don't see many people walking around in emo-kid gettup who live with a large family of chavs.
if that was aimed at me, i was never trying to convince people being surrounded by women made you gay. tbh, i don't know and i only made the thread as i wanted to see other peoples opinions and theorys on it.

anyway you can't exactly prove your point either.

[Nether$]

Havn't scientists prove its to do with the amount of chromosones?

Anyway, it is NOT environment.
Environment can shape many things, for instance if you grow up in a rough council estate in a family of chavs you are likely to become one yourself, and adopt some of your parents ways.
But if a gay couple adopted a child when thye were a baby can you say 100% that it will grow up to be a homosexual? You cannot. It's impossible to shape someones emotions, but it is possible to shape somebodys personality.

Its not down to chromosones, god! i dont know where to start with that..

1) the number of chromosones are allways the same in any human, normally a mutation of a cell formed my mieosis causes one extra chromosone and if an egg is furtalised (sp) it usually misscarrages. in the VERY VERY VERY rare case when it doesnt misscarrage it causes genetic 'deseases' (its not a desease its just called that)

anyway there are LOADS more reasons why it can not be chromosones but i cant be bothered to list them

[Kotu]

I pretty much think sexuality is naturally determined before birth; because you don't decide or choose to be who you are or who you end up becoming.

You just realise over time and come to terms with it (or not, however it may go). The realisation of being gay is probably where people misunderstand the concept and feel you actually have a choice to be or not.

Can you really say you chose to be straight or gay? I know what I would pick if there was a choice over the matter.

edit. www.borndifferent.com a friend gave me this link a while back, it's interesting to say the least.

[ChristmasGem]

if that was aimed at me, i was never trying to convince people being surrounded by women made you gay. tbh, i don't know and i only made the thread as i wanted to see other peoples opinions and theorys on it.

anyway you can't exactly prove your point either.

I think the above posts demonstrate cheeps point.

[benjamin]

I pretty much think sexuality is naturally determined before birth; because you don't decide or choose to be who you are or who you end up becoming.

You just realise over time and come to terms with it (or not, however it may go). The realisation of being gay is probably where people misunderstand the concept and feel you actually have a choice to be or not.

Can you really say you chose to be straight or gay? I know what I would pick if there was a choice over the matter.

edit. www.borndifferent.com (http://www.borndifferent.com) a friend gave me this link a while back, it's interesting to say the least.
i went on that site, had a little look around and i came over this

http://www.uel.ac.uk/news/press_releases/releases/borngay.htm

it has some quite intresting stuff in that article.

[liquid]

Havn't scientists prove its to do with the amount of chromosones?

Anyway, it is NOT environment.
Environment can shape many things, for instance if you grow up in a rough council estate in a family of chavs you are likely to become one yourself, and adopt some of your parents ways.
But if a gay couple adopted a child when thye were a baby can you say 100% that it will grow up to be a homosexual? You cannot. It's impossible to shape someones emotions, but it is possible to shape somebodys personality.

you're an idiot.
everyone has the same amount of chromosomes, unless they have downs syndrome.

Being gay isn't really an emotion, it's a preference, and yes environment can shape your preferences.

[benjamin]

you're an idiot.
everyone has the same amount of chromosomes, unless they have downs syndrome.

Being gay isn't really an emotion, it's a preference, and yes environment can shape your preferences.
everyone has 23 pairs i thought.

[liquid]

everyone has 23 pairs i thought.

yeah.
cept for people with downs syndrome, they have a 3rd 21st pair, so 47 chromosomes altogether.

[benjamin]

yeah.
cept for people with downs syndrome, they have a 3rd 21st pair, so 47 chromosomes altogether.
lol we're doing it in bio and i don't get it..

but yeah, tbh i only made this thread to see if anyone could like come up with some really good theory with like evidence to justify it, as i think about it quite a bit and don't really know much about it

[MusicPalace]

well it could be because of someone related to them was/is not not streight. Maybe your dreams could affect it or the way you act. Theres is alot of possibilities, but i think the best is that To whoever is not steight...it just feels right to them.

[risque]

edit. www.borndifferent.com (http://www.borndifferent.com) a friend gave me this link a while back, it's interesting to say the least.

I found that really interesting, lol.

I don't know what to say on the subject, apart from when I was about 7 or something, in Primary school, I was attracted to girls, kissed them, all sorts. (probably just a school crush).

I've always hang around with girls, like seriously - always. I even lead a "gang" in primary school, full of girls because I stopped liking to play football, and etc. I was just basically attracted to males, tbh.

Confusing and stupid, but yeah lol.

[clarissa !!]

I pretty much think sexuality is naturally determined before birth; because you don't decide or choose to be who you are or who you end up becoming.

You just realise over time and come to terms with it (or not, however it may go). The realisation of being gay is probably where people misunderstand the concept and feel you actually have a choice to be or not.

Can you really say you chose to be straight or gay? I know what I would pick if there was a choice over the matter.

edit. www.borndifferent.com a friend gave me this link a while back, it's interesting to say the least.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=3562071

aww, thats so cute

[benjamin]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=3562071

aww, thats so cute
lmao, aww. i didn't think you could get gay animals though.

[Aao]

BEN <3 MYKE <3

I think it can be both. When born + When discovering yourself as you get older.

Your environment does nothing. Well, i dont think so anyway. It'll be pretty hard to 'make' someone gay just by hanging with gay people and with your mum :s

[liquid]

BEN <3 MYKE <3

I think it can be both. When born + When discovering yourself as you get older.

Your environment does nothing. Well, i dont think so anyway. It'll be pretty hard to 'make' someone gay just by hanging with gay people and with your mum :s
er environment affects pretty much everyhing about you :/
other than your appearance and genetic make up bla bla.

"discovering it when you get older" = environment.

[-Soph-]

No I think its surroundings/how you were brought up etc..

'Cause I go to an all girls school, I think that has had some effect on my sexuality.. (I'm bi)

[brodeo]

er environment affects pretty much everyhing about you :/
other than your appearance and genetic make up bla bla.

"discovering it when you get older" = environment.

Discovering it when you get older = Knowledge of the situation you're in

Let's face it, you cant expect an eight year old to determine which sex he or she has a prefrence, because obviously it will choose the opposite sex. A young child sees its parents and other people acting in a hetrosexual way. But when you develop the knowledge and the feelings deep inside you can determine.

When i was young i didn't know i was gay, and i can't think of anything which would make me want to become gay. I am gay, thats all there is to it, nothing to do with how i was brought up..

Oh, and by the way, stop flaming people in the thread if they don't agree with your opinion - are you unable to have a mature discussion?

[-Justin]

One Word Man, Hormones.

The urge that makes guys look at stuff.
The urge that makes girls... Hell i dont know.

[benjamin]

Discovering it when you get older = Knowledge of the situation you're in

Let's face it, you cant expect an eight year old to determine which sex he or she has a prefrence, because obviously it will choose the opposite sex. A young child sees its parents and other people acting in a hetrosexual way. But when you develop the knowledge and the feelings deep inside you can determine.

When i was young i didn't know i was gay, and i can't think of anything which would make me want to become gay. I am gay, thats all there is to it, nothing to do with how i was brought up..

Oh, and by the way, stop flaming people in the thread if they don't agree with your opinion - are you unable to have a mature discussion?
that is all well and good, but no one has proved anything yet.

so i think i'll stick to being open minded about this.

oh, and another thing. you get like adults that like leave their marriages to have a gay relationship, and they used to be attracted to women, but then changed to be attracted to men? surely that can't be from their genes?

[xTom]

In my opinion, homosexuality is a form of.. disability; if you will.
Yes, it's inevitable, but we weren't meant to be gay.. straight people were created for a reason - to reproduce. And gay people.. well they can't, unless they do it with the opposite sex. Homosexual people in my opinion are a deformed genre of the human race, i know i sound horrible for saying it - but it's the truth. Gay people weren't meant to be created, there's no purpose.

But what I don't get is why priests are always chatting crap saying "God thinks homosexuality is wrong", it's like people don't choose to be gay? Do you chat crap about people who developed mental problems when they were born, or other such people? NO!1 - It's not their own fault.

kk sorry for ranting darlenz :]] Xt0mx

[James!]

In my opinion, homosexuality is a form of.. disability; if you will.
Yes, it's inevitable, but we weren't meant to be gay.. straight people were created for a reason - to reproduce. And gay people.. well they can't, unless they do it with the opposite sex. Homosexual people in my opinion are a deformed genre of the human race, i know i sound horrible for saying it - but it's the truth. Gay people weren't meant to be created, there's no purpose.

But what I don't get is why priests are always chatting crap saying "God thinks homosexuality is wrong", it's like people don't choose to be gay? Do you chat crap about people who developed mental problems when they were born, or other such people? NO!1 - It's not their own fault.

kk sorry for ranting darlenz :]] Xt0mxHomosexuality is wrong in religion's eyes and also in my eyes, but I have no problem with them, just don't like what they do.

Your comment is stupid to put it more straight forward.

[liquid]

Discovering it when you get older = Knowledge of the situation you're in

Let's face it, you cant expect an eight year old to determine which sex he or she has a prefrence, because obviously it will choose the opposite sex. A young child sees its parents and other people acting in a hetrosexual way. But when you develop the knowledge and the feelings deep inside you can determine.

When i was young i didn't know i was gay, and i can't think of anything which would make me want to become gay. I am gay, thats all there is to it, nothing to do with how i was brought up..

Oh, and by the way, stop flaming people in the thread if they don't agree with your opinion - are you unable to have a mature discussion?

um, how was what i said "flaming you"? :/
and i've never spoken to you before, so wth.
yes i can have a mature discussion, but what you said was rubbish, and you were trying to sound clever with it.

everything you're saying is agreeing with me saying your surroundings play a part in it..

[MusicPalace]

I think i figured it out for real this time! Its you chromosomes, where your DNA is stored. Your chromosomes/DNA is what makes you...well you. So your chromosomes or dna, maybe had something different go on than those of the streight people. Yeah...i think i figured it out! :)

[liquid]

I think i figured it out for real this time! Its you chromosomes, where your DNA is stored. Your chromosomes/DNA is what makes you...well you. So your chromosomes or dna, maybe had something different go on than those of the streight people. Yeah...i think i figured it out! :)

if it was all defined by genes, there'd be a pattern, and a way of working out how many kids in each family would be gay etc

[brodeo]

um, how was what i said "flaming you"? :/
and i've never spoken to you before, so wth.
yes i can have a mature discussion, but what you said was rubbish, and you were trying to sound clever with it.

everything you're saying is agreeing with me saying your surroundings play a part in it..

I never said you were the one flaming? Please, don't jump to conclusions so quickly.

And, as for the part i italic'd, where have i said surroundings take part in it. I said surroundings take part in many beliefs and opinions, for example, you are likely to recieve some opinions from your parents.
Are you gay? Because if you are, that is the only way you can specifically tell me that if you were brought up a different way you believe you would be straight. If not, then you cannot be 100% certain, seeing as you have not experienced it yourself. Either way, you opinions are still valid by me. But, just a thought.

[benjamin]

I never said you were the one flaming? Please, don't jump to conclusions so quickly.

And, as for the part i italic'd, where have i said surroundings take part in it. I said surroundings take part in many beliefs and opinions, for example, you are likely to recieve some opinions from your parents.
Are you gay? Because if you are, that is the only way you can specifically tell me that if you were brought up a different way you believe you would be straight. If not, then you cannot be 100% certain, seeing as you have not experienced it yourself. Either way, you opinions are still valid by me. But, just a thought.
she probably thought it as you quoted her?

[brodeo]

that is all well and good, but no one has proved anything yet.

so i think i'll stick to being open minded about this.

oh, and another thing. you get like adults that like leave their marriages to have a gay relationship, and they used to be attracted to women, but then changed to be attracted to men? surely that can't be from their genes?
The thing is with that is that the men who were in these relationships with women were pressured by society to fit in to the hetrosexuality culture. Twenty years ago being gay wasn't as accepted as it is today, if a teenage boy admitted his undying love for his best friend he'd probably get something done to him by his parents.
If you were gay back then it was possible you'd get disowned by your family and friends if you had a partner. But things are different now, hence why they find it easier to express their love for the same sex.



she probably thought it as you quoted her?

I quoted her to make a point, the bold was an add on.

[benjamin]

The thing is with that is that the men who were in these relationships with women were pressured by society to fit in to the hetrosexuality culture. Twenty years ago being gay wasn't as accepted as it is today, if a teenage boy admitted his undying love for his best friend he'd probably get something done to him by his parents.
If you were gay back then it was possible you'd get disowned by your family and friends if you had a partner. But things are different now, hence why they find it easier to express their love for the same sex.




I quoted her to make a point, the bold was an add on.
it isn't just men. my dads ex girlfriend [my little brothers mum] has gone lesbian. oh &k.

[vibrant]

it isn't just men. my dads ex girlfriend [my little brothers mum] has gone lesbian. oh &k.


Your little brother swears.

haha I love him.



&... ye.

da onli girls i luv in a sexual way are helen and clarissa.

they r well kl.

[brodeo]

it isn't just men. my dads ex girlfriend [my little brothers mum] has gone lesbian. oh &k.

It applys to both.

[Leigh]

Dont forget everyones diffrent.. I dont believe there is no right or wrong answer for this topic.

I personally, have come to the conclusion that i was born gay.. as i've never had feelings for the female sex ever..

that's just me.

I do sometimes wonder over the fact that people are actually born gay or straight etc.. and there social activity and there enviroment makes them unsure of what they actually are.

I think an example of this was the "TODD" Storyline some of you may have seen in the soap, Coronation St which is screened in the UK..

Todd was engaged to a woman.. and he cheated on her with a guy. The writers included signs to show that Todd was not happy in the relationship with the woman before this "guy" who he had the affair with came along.

nice story line that was as it happens..

[rockstar6]

Everyone says 'Born with it'. What do you mean by 'born with it'?

Like I said before. It's prefference, just like everything else. Are you born liking cheese, or liking rock music?

Well liking cheese isnt actually a preference, because when you first try it you personally dont know until you have tasted it,like i wish i like cabbage and cauliflowers cause there healthy, but i dont it's not my fault, i was born like it.

[Leigh]

"In 1993 the American researcher Dean Hamer published research that seemed to prove that homosexual orientation could be genetically transmitted to men on the x chromosome, which they get from their mothers. However when this study was duplicated it did not produce the same results. A follow-up study which Hamer collaborated on also failed to reinforce his earlier results. Most recently research published in April 1999 by George Rice and George Ebers of the Universty of Western Ontario has cast doubt on Hamer's theory. Rice and Ebers' research also tested the same region of the x chromosome in a larger sample of gay men, but failed to find the same 'marker' that Hamer's research had produced. Claims that the part of the brain known as the hypothalamus is influential in determining sexual orientation, have yet to be substantiated. At the moment it is generally thought that biological explanations of sexuality are insufficient to explain the diversity of human sexuality."

[Sammeth.]

Well liking cheese isnt actually a preference, because when you first try it you personally dont know until you have tasted it,

Well isn't that like your sexuality? You dont know if you are gay until you have had a gay experience (and felt comfortable with it)

[Leigh]

Well isn't that like your sexuality? You dont know if you are gay until you have had a gay experience (and felt comfortable with it)
Incorrect.

You still do know.. Deep down you do..

I did anyway.. maybe it's not everyone.

[benjamin]

nice to see this thread get so popular, as it's a big issue and no one actually knows the real answer yet.

[xTom]

Homosexuality is wrong in religion's eyes and also in my eyes, but I have no problem with them, just don't like what they do.

Your comment is stupid to put it more straight forward.

sthu. what i said, whether you like it or not - was my opinion.

fair enough, you said that you don't share my opinion, but there's no need to add an immature remark to conclude it? no dnt fink so.

so sthu you mong.

luv ya xx tom xx

[Leigh]

nice to see this thread get so popular, as it's a big issue and no one actually knows the real answer yet.

To be honest, no one will ever reach a conclusion. It's your belief.. that's that.


sthu. what i said, whether you like it or not - was my opinion.

fair enough, you said that you don't share my opinion, but there's no need to add an immature remark to conclude it? no dnt fink so.

so sthu you mong.

luv ya xx tom xx

Hey Tom.

Just a few points on your orignal post..


Gay people weren't meant to be created, there's no purpose.

and


people don't choose to be gay?

Therefor, why we're they created in the first place?

Although, as a gay guy myself, i can still understand where your coming from about the whole "humans made to reproduce" therory.. because after all.. they we're.
This topic could tie in with a wide array of other philosophical matters.. but we should probably keep on topic.

In regards to what Skepta has to say.. Clearly you do have a problem with somone if you dont like what they do.. lol. That's like me not liking camp people but i can still be fine when there around me.. doesnt seem logical to me but that's just my points.

And no one has a stupid comment here.. everyone is entitled to thier say..




x

[fitcovboy]

It has been said that it is something that happens in childhood, but they cannot explain exactly what it is. They say that before you hit your teens if your going to be gay you have the ‘gay genes’ Many people choose to suppress this for years, as they feel it will not be accepted by friends and family. Sad state of affairs a lot of the time.

[Steven]

I think it's genetic. I'm gay and my mum's sister is gay and my dad's sister is gay. MY FAMILY IS FULL OF GAYS.

[louder]

I used to think to like guys was just sick, the wrongest thing another guy could do, now i'm bisexual - definatly who you grow up with etc etc, it's mainly because I hung around with alot of gay guys and started to be more open minded about it, it's not genetic though because nobody else in my family are gay or bi.