layout v2

[+Peter]

Um, just to clear up:

Anything work completed by an individual/group, that is working for Habbox and it's sister sites at the time of completion, that is uploaded to Habbox or it's sister sites, becomes property of Habbox due to it being stored online within our paid webspace.

By giving Barkseh authorisation to use the layout, you allowed him to upload it to HabboxLive and therefore transfer ownership claims to Habbox.

I'd appreciate it if this topic wasn't dicussed any more as, as far as I am aware, I has been posted in as many forums as possible, and PM'ed to me, MAD, sierk and 8Freak8 who will all give the same response.

Now let's go about getting this closed shall we?






whats the point in closing just means i have to make a new 1 lol.
can you tell me in the rules where it says if its made its habboxs

[Kanker.]

i dont get it.

[jordybum]

i dont get it.
read his other thread..

thats shocking that they say everything created for habbox belongs to habbox. its like daylight robbery. :(

[Kanker.]

I'ts true, its like any other website..

Tbh its like saying you submit a article on Habbo, they show it but you no longer want them to, but they wont remove it obv.

[nvrspk4]

You did not contractually release that to Habbox and you charitably donated it to us. There were no terms that if the radio manager were to change the offer of the skin would be rescinded. You have no legal or moral ground to make the demand or claim to the skin. Nor do you have it copyrighted, though on moral grounds you do have the right to be credited, but on moral not legal grounds.

And for the person who said its like daylight robbery, we never said we own it, but we do retain the right to continue displaying it, though I think others should reserve the right to be credited for the work, however allowing people to take their work with them when they left would leave sites in shambles ;)

[Kanker.]

i dislike the layout anyway,

&& Geez, get over it.? Be a man and show your better then habbox and can say i made that layout. Ect. :\ Get over your self.

[jordybum]

You did not contractually release that to Habbox and you charitably donated it to us. There were no terms that if the radio manager were to change the offer of the skin would be rescinded. You have no legal or moral ground to make the demand or claim to the skin. Nor do you have it copyrighted, though on moral grounds you do have the right to be credited, but on moral not legal grounds.

And for the person who said its like daylight robbery, we never said we own it, but we do retain the right to continue displaying it, though I think others should reserve the right to be credited for the work, however allowing people to take their work with them when they left would leave sites in shambles ;)


Anything work completed by an individual/group, that is working for Habbox and it's sister sites at the time of completion, that is uploaded to Habbox or it's sister sites, becomes property of Habbox due to it being stored online within our paid webspace.

By giving Barkseh authorisation to use the layout, you allowed him to upload it to HabboxLive and therefore transfer ownership claims to Habbox.

posted by adzeh

[Kanker.]

yeah,? Adzeh pretty much said its ours, get over it ^_^

[nvrspk4]

posted by adzeh

While Adzeh does know alot, and could be right, he is not the official representative of Habbox Management. He could have simply misstated himself or be misinformed. Equally, I could be misinformed. We will not, I supposed, know the actual policy until 8Freak8 and/or sierk intervenes but yeah ;)

[DiscoPat]

Your wrong actually, because when he made the layout it is automaticcaly copyrighted, and is his work. Therefor, you can only use his work for your own personal use, other than that - you need his permission to display it online and kinda make money from it..

[nvrspk4]

Your wrong actually, because when he made the layout it is automaticcaly copyrighted, and is his work. Therefor, you can only use his work for your own personal use, other than that - you need his permission to display it online and kinda make money from it..

How is it automatically copyrighted. You have to apply for copyright I do believe. Also, he submitted that work to the entity of Habbox, by granting his permission he allowed us to use it and furthermore we retain the right. Did he in any way shape or form say at the time the skin was uploaded that the conditions under which he released it to Habbox was that it would only be used while Barkseh was manager?

[Jin]

Nothing is ever automatically copyrighted. Infact anyone could use that layout because neither the webpages nor the source code has the required copyright notices located within the document.

Secondly, the layout doesnt make us any revenue, revenue is generated by the sale of services that Habbox as an organisation offer to their members for which they pay for or 3rd parties pay us for.

Oh and by copyright law because you have created this layout for another person without branding it yourself and I doubt you created documentation that stated that Paul was not allowed to copyright it himself you actually transfered the rights to him. Considering that Barkseh had used it on HabboxLive which is not legally owned by him nor had the layout been copyrighted previously by you or (if barkseh was allowed to brand it himself) by barkseh it means that technically we are not infringing any copyright laws.

[+Peter]

While Adzeh does know alot, and could be right, he is not the official representative of Habbox Management. He could have simply misstated himself or be misinformed. Equally, I could be misinformed. We will not, I supposed, know the actual policy until 8Freak8 and/or sierk intervenes but yeah ;)

your confusing yourself so just leave the thread cheers :)

[Kanker.]

your trying to act hard so just leave the thread cheers :)

[---MAD---]

If every staff member that left and said take my layout off, or remove my work, then no fansite or site would ever stay in tacked. Sorry but I doubt it will be removed until someone makes a better one :).

[8Freak8]

Although work IS automatically copyrighted (http://www.patent.gov.uk/copy/c-claim/c-auto.htm), you, Peter, gave us explicit permission to use your layout, and HabboxLive was your layout's entire intended purpose. Therefore if you decided to take it to court (which I know you're not threatening to do, but if you did) you would lose because we would say (and provide evidence) that you gave us explicit permission to use it under no terms.

Habbox doesn't remove work created for us after a person resigns or gets fired, because it would cause too much disruption and have a negative affect on other workflow.

[---MAD---]

Although work IS automatically copyrighted (http://www.patent.gov.uk/copy/c-claim/c-auto.htm), you, Peter, gave us explicit permission to use your layout, and HabboxLive was your layout's entire intended purpose. Therefore if you decided to take it to court (which I know you're not threatening to do, but if you did) you would lose because we would say (and provide evidence) that you gave us explicit permission to use it under no terms.

Habbox doesn't remove work created for us after a person resigns or gets fired, because it would cause too much disruption and have a negative affect on other workflow.
Precisely ;).

[Adzeh]

Although work IS automatically copyrighted (http://www.patent.gov.uk/copy/c-claim/c-auto.htm), you, Peter, gave us explicit permission to use your layout, and HabboxLive was your layout's entire intended purpose. Therefore if you decided to take it to court (which I know you're not threatening to do, but if you did) you would lose because we would say (and provide evidence) that you gave us explicit permission to use it under no terms.

Habbox doesn't remove work created for us after a person resigns or gets fired, because it would cause too much disruption and have a negative affect on other workflow.

My point exactly.

So yeah, do we really need to continue this little debate now that both threads have been deemed pointless and the starter has been 'blanked' :rolleyes:

[Barkseh2131]

My point exactly.

So yeah, do we really need to continue this little debate now that both threads have been deemed pointless and the starter has been 'blanked' :rolleyes:

It could still give Habbox a bad name though 8-)

Anyway you might aswell just leave it Peter... I'm sure they will renew it soon as it's getting on abit lol.

[jordybum]

It could still give Habbox a bad name though 8-)

Anyway you might aswell just leave it Peter... I'm sure they will renew it soon as it's getting on abit lol.
doubt it. how long did they have the original orange and blue layout for all on all sites?

[---MAD---]

doubt it. how long did they have the original orange and blue layout for all on all sites?
Changing layouts is not a 2 minute job :p.

[Mentor]

You did not contractually release that to Habbox and you charitably donated it to us. There were no terms that if the radio manager were to change the offer of the skin would be rescinded. You have no legal or moral ground to make the demand or claim to the skin. Nor do you have it copyrighted, though on moral grounds you do have the right to be credited, but on moral not legal grounds.

And for the person who said its like daylight robbery, we never said we own it, but we do retain the right to continue displaying it, though I think others should reserve the right to be credited for the work, however allowing people to take their work with them when they left would leave sites in shambles ;)
Actually under British law, on creation of any item (including digital works) You are automatically granted full copyright as the creator. No futher action is required . If they created it, they owns the copyright. Hence since you haven't specifically licensed it from the creator, under any formal contract, it is completely within his rights to say whether or not you can use his works, unless he has already entered in to a contract saying other wize, or agreed to wave his rights.

Since this was an informal deal, made on good faith alown, The legal rights will always lie with the copyright holder.

Note: going to caugt would be an act of stupidty none the less, becuse it will cost ALOT and you wont really gain anything, other than maybe habbox haveing to take down the layout (that would really be worth a few 1000 pounds of legal fee's o.0 )

[Dan2nd]

Dude I think this in't about your layout I think you have a hidden agenda =D

[Adzeh]

It could still give Habbox a bad name though 8-)

Anyway you might aswell just leave it Peter... I'm sure they will renew it soon as it's getting on abit lol.

Thank you Paul :).

Ironically we are in the market for a new layout, however I don't want Peter to think he has 'got one over on us' once we soon take the old one down :D.

[+Peter]

Thank you Paul :).

Ironically we are in the market for a new layout, however I don't want Peter to think he has 'got one over on us' once we soon take the old one down :D.

please dont give out my personal info over the forum please :D eg. my first name

[Adzeh]

please dont give out my personal info over the forum please :D eg. my first name

Uhm, trying to act smart can backfire you know. I seem to remember :


Hello
Could I please request that the layout that is currently on HabboxLive at this moment in time be taken down?
I (DJ-Cookeh) made the layout for the use of Barkseh; now that Barkseh is no longer part of Habbox, I do not give you authorization to use it within Habbox.
You have until the 1st January 2007
Thank you

Peter Cook

That was posted in this (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=287299) thread. So all that needs to be said is:

Please do not give our personal information, i.e your full name on this forum :).


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And since he decided to post something like that, I think this thread has been proved to be exhausted of all possible discussion :).

[H0BJ0B]

As A Chearleader Would Say:
"Gimme a G, Gimme an O, Gimme an A, Gimme a D, Gimme a Z, Gimme an E, Gimme an H, What does it spell?? Go Adzeh!"