vegetarian?

[beth]

simple thread [: are you a vegetarian & how long have you been one?
i've been a vegetarian since birth, ahar. so nearly 17 years. [:

how about you?

[Kieeran]

na im not

[Nixt]

Nope I'm not, I hate the idea of not eating meat :(

[Kieeran]

Lol Meats lovely, but im not going to go on because some veggies feel sick about comments like this

[beth]

rofl, people say to me "how can you cope without meat?" but i've never ever had it, so i don't know what i'm missing innit (;
EDITTT;
kieran, i don't feel sick about meat ahar. it's a food process innit, i would eat meat but my body is so used to being without it it would be like a protein overload. i envy people who had the choice to be vegetarian.

[Kieeran]

ah i see but people r like

DNT EAT TEH BEEF CUZ ITS A LITTLE PIGGY


yh i realised beefs from cows -.-

[Jazza]

Not eating meat is a stupid choice, Why choose to develop avitaminosis (sp?)

[LeftForDead]

ah i see but people r like

DNT EAT TEH BEEF CUZ ITS A LITTLE PIGGY


yh i realised beefs from cows -.-


Not eating meat is a stupid choice, Why choose to develop avitaminosis (sp?)

Kieeran There are people like that ye, its about the age of 10ish people go like that, i was like that about 2 years ago but then i found out more facts and now im a vegan!

Also Anonymous, I dont have a problem with eating meet, i have a problem with how it is killed/treat. I could go really into this but i wont
goto www.peta2.com (http://www.peta2.com) for info really.

But i have been vegan about 4 months, and tbh i have never been better i havent been ill since i was vegi. And whatever we so called to get from animals we can get from plants.

[Wayne]

No I'm not, I like meat too much.

[clarissa !!]

not really but when im home i dont normally eat meat cause i normally eat what my sister eats & shes vegetarian.

[Tash.]

I'm veggie, have been for about 5 years. But then I never ate any great amount of meat before then anyway.

[the wombats]

i dnt think i'd be able to survive without meat. i gotta have it.

[TheLastShadow]

Either way, something has to die to feed another. Plants and other vegetables are alive...They need water, they grow, they need sunlight. They are all alive just like us and animals. So others could say its wrong to eat vegetables because there alive aswell. Its all about the cycle of life.

[Digital]

i dnt think i'd be able to survive without meat. i gotta have it.

In your town you have to catch you dinner so its a dog or leaves, easy choice if you ask me ;)

[Decapitated!]

Ive recently turned vegan.

[uffie]

I couldn't not eat meat really, some of my favourite foods contain meat.

[Blue]

im a meateater. I have relatives who are vegetariens, but if you still eat fish think about how they have suffered

[LeftForDead]

Either way, something has to die to feed another. Plants and other vegetables are alive...They need water, they grow, they need sunlight. They are all alive just like us and animals. So others could say its wrong to eat vegetables because there alive aswell. Its all about the cycle of life.

Plants don't have central nervous systems, nerve endings, or brains ... in other words, they don't feel pain!
Animals do feel pain

[TheLastShadow]

Plants don't have central nervous systems, nerve endings, or brains ... in other words, they don't feel pain!
Animals do feel pain
I know plants dont have feeling but either way its still alive. Thats what im trying to get at.

[Browney]

I could'nt live without steak. My mouth is watering at the thought. Also being vegan is not good for your health.

[:Liam]

I could'nt live without steak. My mouth is watering at the thought. Also being vegan is not good for your health.
Being Vegetarian/Vegan DOES NOT AFFECT YOUR HEALTH! It depends on what they eat, say if a vegetarian/vegan had a maintained vegetarian diet and a meat eater just eat crisps and chocolate the vegetarian/vegan would be healthier. Its all down to how well a vegan/vegetarian diet is maintained. Also vegetarians/vegans can get lots of protein from quorn, soya, polenta, lentils, beans, peas, grains and dairy produce.

[Browney]

No. A balanced diet needs vegetables AND meat. If you do not eat meat, or vegetables for that matter, you are not getting a balanced diet.

No protein in your diet stunts growth. Too much meat clogs the ateries. You need a balance.

[LeftForDead]

I know plants dont have feeling but either way its still alive. Thats what im trying to get at.

Oh ye, but i dont eat animals
because they have friends and family and can feel pain.


No. A balanced diet needs vegetables AND meat. If you do not eat meat, or vegetables for that matter, you are not getting a balanced diet.

No protein in your diet stunts growth. Too much meat clogs the ateries. You need a balance.

So if we need meat, how come some animals dont eat meat?
and could we just take suplaments?

[Browney]

Oh ye, but i dont eat animals
because they have friends and family and can feel pain.



So if we need meat, how come some animals dont eat meat?
and could we just take suplaments?

Because we are NOT cows are we? Scientific evidence shows we were built to eat meat. Your canines are to tear flesh. Supliments will help but you will not get the natural value. Plus those supliments were probably tested on Animals anyway. :rolleyes:

What i'm getting at is scientist, after scientist, after scientist all agree a balanced diet is best for humans. Granted we need more vegetables than meat but protein is just as essential as calcium or sugar.

[LeftForDead]

Because we are NOT cows are we? Scientific evidence shows we were built to eat meat. Your canines are to tear flesh. Supliments will help but you will not get the natural value. Plus those supliments were probably tested on Animals anyway. :rolleyes:

What i'm getting at is scientist, after scientist, after scientist all agree a balanced diet is best for humans. Granted we need more vegetables than meat but protein is just as essential as calcium or sugar.

Well instead off spending it on research for that, why didnt they spend it on ways to make fake meat, kinda like quorn or tofo

[Browney]

Well instead off spending it on research for that, why didnt they spend it on ways to make fake meat, kinda like quorn or tofo

The sad thing is (for vegetarians) that not many people care enough. Which is a shame because there is an increasing number of vegetarians especially amongst teenagers.

[LeftForDead]

The sad thing is (for vegetarians) that not many people care enough. Which is a shame because there is an increasing number of vegetarians especially amongst teenagers.
Who care?
about people being vegi?
or vegis?

[Browney]

Who care?
about people being vegi?
or vegis?

People investing in finding new meat alternatives is what I meant. Sorry for being unclear.

[LeftForDead]

People investing in finding new meat alternatives is what I meant. Sorry for being unclear.
Oh ye i know:\
but i dont mind i make most my own food from scratch and stuff

[Browney]

You must have alot of patience and devotion. Now adays people just tend to throw a microwave meal in the microwave for 2 minutes.

[LeftForDead]

You must have alot of patience and devotion. Now adays people just tend to throw a microwave meal in the microwave for 2 minutes.
aye it does tastse nicer like
and one of the things i want to do is be a chef in the army or have my own reastruant so ye lol:P

[Browney]

aye it does tastse nicer like
and one of the things i want to do is be a chef in the army or have my own reastruant so ye lol:P

I'm guessing it would be a vegetarian restaurant? ;)
It must be quite hard to make a fully vegan menu.

[DCeption]

Well instead off spending it on research for that, why didnt they spend it on ways to make fake meat, kinda like quorn or tofo

Cause it tastes like **** imo

[@xP]

Iam not a vegetraian

[LeftForDead]

I'm guessing it would be a vegetarian restaurant? ;)
It must be quite hard to make a fully vegan menu.
haha aye:p
or work in one atleast work in one
cos i know one that is near me and has been open 5 yearsish

[Browney]

Sounds good.

[:Hazel]

i have for 17 years aswell ;p

[Swinkid]

im a vege have been for few months now

[velvet]

Kieeran There are people like that ye, its about the age of 10ish people go like that, i was like that about 2 years ago but then i found out more facts and now im a vegan!

Also Anonymous, I dont have a problem with eating meet, i have a problem with how it is killed/treat. I could go really into this but i wont
goto www.peta2.com (http://www.peta2.com) for info really.

But i have been vegan about 4 months, and tbh i have never been better i havent been ill since i was vegi. And whatever we so called to get from animals we can get from plants.

Using any PETA webiste is no valid evidence since most things on PETA are bias and one sided, and their videos are staged. Also, they kill more animals than they save.



Oh ye, but i dont eat animals
because they have friends and family and can feel pain.



So if we need meat, how come some animals dont eat meat?
and could we just take suplaments?

Animals are not self aware, they don't think like a human does, therefore they do not think of friends and family as a human would.
And when you said 'animals feel pain' it's very different to how we think of pain. Pain for an animal is the instinct to get away, it's a reflex, as they have no frontal lobe so they don't fully understand the situation as we do.



Being Vegetarian/Vegan DOES NOT AFFECT YOUR HEALTH! It depends on what they eat, say if a vegetarian/vegan had a maintained vegetarian diet and a meat eater just eat crisps and chocolate the vegetarian/vegan would be healthier. Its all down to how well a vegan/vegetarian diet is maintained. Also vegetarians/vegans can get lots of protein from quorn, soya, polenta, lentils, beans, peas, grains and dairy produce.


It does affect your health.
The human body was designed for an omnivorous diet, by not having meat you're depriving your body of that, the substitutes are all well and good, but nothing like the real thing.


This post wasn't personal or anything, as i'm a vegan myself :]

[LeftForDead]

Using any PETA webiste is no valid evidence since most things on PETA are bias and one sided, and their videos are staged. Also, they kill more animals than they save.




Animals are not self aware, they don't think like a human does, therefore they do not think of friends and family as a human would.
And when you said 'animals feel pain' it's very different to how we think of pain. Pain for an animal is the instinct to get away, it's a reflex, as they have no frontal lobe so they don't fully understand the situation as we do.



It does affect your health.
The human body was designed for an omnivorous diet, by not having meat you're depriving your body of that, the substitutes are all well and good, but nothing like the real thing.


This post wasn't personal or anything, as i'm a vegan myself :]


Show me proof of how they kill more animals than they save?
and how are there videos staged?

Also, your telling me that a cow wouldnt care and look after its calf? and wont be upset when its calf is ripped away from it?

[English]

There's a lot of STUPID people posting in this thread.

Being vegetarian/vegan does effect your health, whether your biased views think it doesn't it bloody well does. Also on a side note as Romance said, Peta stage a hell of a lot of those pictures/videos and there is actually a site protesting against peta doing it after they got found out.

I'm not a vegetarian, I have respect for vegetarians but not the ones that preach their way into people's lives trying to stop people eating meat. I almost tried becoming a vegetarian but hell I couldn't kick meat out of my diet.

[Browney]

Show me proof of how they kill more animals than they save?
and how are there videos staged?

Also, your telling me that a cow wouldnt care and look after its calf? and wont be upset when its calf is ripped away from it?

I'm pretty sure animals have only basic feelings. Not sorrow or disappointment or selfpity.

[LLLgonza]

Show me proof of how they kill more animals than they save?
and how are there videos staged?

Also, your telling me that a cow wouldnt care and look after its calf? and wont be upset when its calf is ripped away from it?

80 % of cows reject their calves. as do 60% of sheep, and 76% of sows.

Cows don't really realise whats happening, and their calf would be off them within 24 days in the wild anyway./

[LeftForDead]

80 % of cows reject their calves. as do 60% of sheep, and 76% of sows.

Cows don't really realise whats happening, and their calf would be off them within 24 days in the wild anyway./
24 days
not 24 hours
also most bulls have a shot gun put to there head within 24 hours of being born


There's a lot of STUPID people posting in this thread.

Being vegetarian/vegan does effect your health, whether your biased views think it doesn't it bloody well does. Also on a side note as Romance said, Peta stage a hell of a lot of those pictures/videos and there is actually a site protesting against peta doing it after they got found out.

I'm not a vegetarian, I have respect for vegetarians but not the ones that preach their way into people's lives trying to stop people eating meat. I almost tried becoming a vegetarian but hell I couldn't kick meat out of my diet.

tbh, everything is bad for you these days
People say eggs are good for you but they contain saterated fats
loads of stuff like that

Also at the peta thing, i have been to facotry farms and stuff
and its cruel, so even if peta stage some of its stuff
what i have seen is still wrong

[Barkseh2131]

People refuse to eat meat because animals were killed n shizzle but their orite to use medication thats made from animal skins n shizzle.

[LLLgonza]

bulls get shot at 24 hours because they kill people.

I have had 6 broken bones due to them, and a good freind of my dad got killed by one.

99% of bulls get turned into veal anyway

[Browney]

tbh, everything is bad for you these days
People say eggs are good for you but they contain saterated fats
loads of stuff like that

It all goes back to having a balanced diet. You can eat anything aslong as it's in moderation.

[beth]

someone said being vegetarian is a stupid 'choice'.

i had no choice. soz.

[scubadiva]

I couldn't live without meat! Went to McDonalds just now and got a Double Quarter Pounder with Cheese and Onions. Mmmmmmmmmmmmmm :)

[Browney]

I couldn't live without meat! Went to McDonalds just now and got a Double Quarter Pounder with Cheese and Onions. Mmmmmmmmmmmmmm :)

Burgers is one thing I could'nt do without.

[LLLgonza]

PLEASE DEAR GOD NO!!

McDonalds is one think I really object to.

[Browney]

I prefer local Quarter pounders to mass produced. Often my mum will get fresh mince from the butchers and make them at home.

[FlyingJesus]

most bulls have a shot gun put to there head within 24 hours of being born

I doubt they'd use a shotgun, it would be too messy and you'd lose a lot of the tasty tasty meat.

I don't see the point in vegetarianism, animals do not feel pain in the same way as humans as they aren't sentient in the same way as us. The reactions that they give to being "hurt" are purely instinctive/reflexive, and they have no way of understanding it or therefore knowing that it's pain.

Plus, meat tastes proper good.

[Browney]

I'm pretty sure they sleeper the cows then string them up and slit the throat. They don't even die painfully.

[vogue]

also most bulls have a shot gun put to there head within 24 hours of being born

What you've said there is complete crap. When cows are born they have around 12 - 16 months to grow and fatten up - with the exception of some calfs for veal. There would be no point in shooting a healthy bull calf when it's born and it would be a waste of money for the farmer as there would be very little meat on it and it would cost less than what it did for the farmer to articially inseminate the calfs mother.

[Shinigami]

Been veg for about 2 years now. :)

[LeftForDead]

People refuse to eat meat because animals were killed n shizzle but their orite to use medication thats made from animal skins n shizzle.

I dont wear or eat anything from a animal
i refuse to take my medication as its fish oils
i refuse to wear my scout woggle because its made from leather
So your wrong there


Burgers is one thing I could'nt do without.

tbh i prefer vegi burgers
even if i ate meat i would they taste nicer to me for some reason


I prefer local Quarter pounders to mass produced. Often my mum will get fresh mince from the butchers and make them at home.

Butchers are always better
most butchers buy it from farmers and there the animals that you see in the feilds and stuff, I agree with that more because the animal is allowed outside. Most places like maccy d's and KFC like that the animals havent even seen sunlight


I doubt they'd use a shotgun, it would be too messy and you'd lose a lot of the tasty tasty meat.


I don't see the point in vegetarianism, animals do not feel pain in the same way as humans as they aren't sentient in the same way as us. The reactions that they give to being "hurt" are purely instinctive/reflexive, and they have no way of understanding it or therefore knowing that it's pain.

Plus, meat tastes proper good.

LOL whats with the tasty tasty bit?
is that ment to offend me or something?


What you've said there is complete crap. When cows are born they have around 12 - 16 months to grow and fatten up - with the exception of some calfs for veal. There would be no point in shooting a healthy bull calf when it's born and it would be a waste of money for the farmer as there would be very little meat on it and it would cost less than what it did for the farmer to articially inseminate the calfs mother.
i never said about cows
i said about bulls
There is no need for bulls,
If a farmer wants his cattle to have calfs he will goto someone with a bull and pay them for the bull to.....

[Kymux]

up untill i was 13, then i said i wanted to eat meat, my whole family was veggie... but i just said no since i had no choice before

[Barkseh2131]

I dont wear or eat anything from a animal
i refuse to take my medication as its fish oils
i refuse to wear my scout woggle because its made from leather
So your wrong there



tbh i prefer vegi burgers
even if i ate meat i would they taste nicer to me for some reason



Butchers are always better
most butchers buy it from farmers and there the animals that you see in the feilds and stuff, I agree with that more because the animal is allowed outside. Most places like maccy d's and KFC like that the animals havent even seen sunlight



LOL whats with the tasty tasty bit?
is that ment to offend me or something?


i never said about cows
i said about bulls
There is no need for bulls,
If a farmer wants his cattle to have calfs he will goto someone with a bull and pay them for the bull to.....

I said 'people' not you.

I do apologise though as I should have been more clear by saying most vegetarians.

[LeftForDead]

I said 'people' not you.

I do apologise though as I should have been more clear by saying most vegetarians.
Oh sorry
just wanted to clear it up like:P

[Mentor]

I dont wear or eat anything from a animal
i refuse to take my medication as its fish oils
i refuse to wear my scout woggle because its made from leather
So your wrong there
Thats not really being a particaly strict vegertarain, for exsample, how strict are you really? have you ever consimed gummy sweets or jelly for exsample? all contain animal products. Maybe you havent, i duno.

Whats you motivation though for being verterain, since thats the part of it thats most questionable and almost always has some major holes in the logic till the existent people there sound brainwashed or just plain ignorant "/


tbh i prefer vegi burgers
even if i ate meat i would they taste nicer to me for some reason
Some people like dark chocolate, some people like milk chocolate. I much prefer meat to any vegertaran food ive come across.


Butchers are always better
most butchers buy it from farmers and there the animals that you see in the feilds and stuff, I agree with that more because the animal is allowed outside. Most places like maccy d's and KFC like that the animals havent even seen sunlight
I love how MD and KFC just get blamed for everything, the envromentalists blame them for cutting down the rainforists to make room for the cattle herds, and the vergiarans blame em for not letting the cattle outside o.0 The truth is, MD and KFC has NOTHING to do with there cattle. They buy the meat used in there products from a number of exsternal sourses.
Most of which are in far away places such as africa, and farmed in large streatches of land, becuse that there is still much cheeper than battery farms here.


i never said about cows
i said about bulls
There is no need for bulls,
If a farmer wants his cattle to have calfs he will goto someone with a bull and pay them for the bull to.....
o.0 actualy bulls are also valuabe, bull leather is often used in Luxury furntiture and clothing. They fetch a good price to.

[asher_]

I love how MD and KFC just get blamed for everything.

they both disregard animal welfare.

[Browney]

they both disregard animal welfare.

If you would've read his post you'll see people are contradicting themselves by saying McDonalds cramp the animals together and by saying McDonalds are cutting down the rainforest to make room for cattle grazing.

Also, I (distantly) know someone who's meat is sold to McDonalds.

[LeftForDead]

Thats not really being a particaly strict vegertarain, for exsample, how strict are you really? have you ever consimed gummy sweets or jelly for exsample? all contain animal products. Maybe you havent, i duno.

Whats you motivation though for being verterain, since thats the part of it thats most questionable and almost always has some major holes in the logic till the existent people there sound brainwashed or just plain ignorant "/


Some people like dark chocolate, some people like milk chocolate. I much prefer meat to any vegertaran food ive come across.


I love how MD and KFC just get blamed for everything, the envromentalists blame them for cutting down the rainforists to make room for the cattle herds, and the vergiarans blame em for not letting the cattle outside o.0 The truth is, MD and KFC has NOTHING to do with there cattle. They buy the meat used in there products from a number of exsternal sourses.
Most of which are in far away places such as africa, and farmed in large streatches of land, becuse that there is still much cheeper than battery farms here.


o.0 actualy bulls are also valuabe, bull leather is often used in Luxury furntiture and clothing. They fetch a good price to.

I dont exactly get what you mean by your first bit
But ye i have thought ooo that might be nice
but then thinking about the pain the animal went thro puts me off it.

Also Maccy d's and KFC could boycott there supplier
By saying they wont buy until its treated better!
Also KFC has lied several times about them treating the chickens nicely
And maccy d's used to be like KFC but has changed for the better so i have less of a problem with them

[brandon]

Not really, I tried to give up meat but it's too hard, the only thing I managed to give up is fish.

[LLLgonza]

Actually, it's not.

Bull calfs are extremely vicious when they are grown up, even if they have been chopped.

And actually, its about 30 months, in compliance with thge governments OTMS - Over Thirty Month Scheme



What you've said there is complete crap. When cows are born they have around 12 - 16 months to grow and fatten up - with the exception of some calfs for veal. There would be no point in shooting a healthy bull calf when it's born and it would be a waste of money for the farmer as there would be very little meat on it and it would cost less than what it did for the farmer to articially inseminate the calfs mother.

[Mentor]

they both disregard animal welfare.
Both have no contact with the animals there useing at any stadge in the animals life. They buy them from suppluers after theve been slaugted. So how they disregard animal welfair is beoned me, i wouldnt have though a dead cow would care that much whatever happened to it o.0


I dont exactly get what you mean by your first bit
But ye i have thought ooo that might be nice
but then thinking about the pain the animal went thro puts me off it.
Well in most cases the animal dies a quick painless death, so its not that much of an issue in reality, its more the exstreemist claims and exsadurated propergranda that spreads the myths about how bad these animals are treated.


Also Maccy d's and KFC could boycott there supplier
And go out of bussness? while a new busness takes there place useing the same supplyers... so no animals would be saved, but mcdonalds would be out of bussness... very construcive o.0

By saying they wont buy until its treated better!
there not treated that badly to start with.

Also KFC has lied several times about them treating the chickens nicelyKFC has nothing to do with its chickens.

And maccy d's used to be like KFC but has changed for the better so i have less of a problem with them
Yet i dont belive they actualy made any changes other than some additional properganda on there part o.0

[LeftForDead]

Both have no contact with the animals there useing at any stadge in the animals life. They buy them from suppluers after theve been slaugted. So how they disregard animal welfair is beoned me, i wouldnt have though a dead cow would care that much whatever happened to it o.0


Well in most cases the animal dies a quick painless death, so its not that much of an issue in reality, its more the exstreemist claims and exsadurated propergranda that spreads the myths about how bad these animals are treated.


And go out of bussness? while a new busness takes there place useing the same supplyers... so no animals would be saved, but mcdonalds would be out of bussness... very construcive o.0

there not treated that badly to start with.
KFC has nothing to do with its chickens.

Yet i dont belive they actualy made any changes other than some additional properganda on there part o.0

How will it go out of bussness, maccy d's did it and they havent gone out of bussness

And when i said that i ment
KFC said its suppliers

And mcdonalds did make changes i visted a place where they bought the meat before and after and it had changed

And i have been to KFC places and seen the real thing
and it isnt nice
i can show you pics that have been took by my mates and stuff to poove to you that it isnt propperganda or anything like that its what i saw

[GommeInc]

How will it go out of bussness, maccy d's did it and they havent gone out of bussness

And when i said that i ment
KFC said its suppliers

And mcdonalds did make changes i visted a place where they bought the meat before and after and it had changed

And i have been to KFC places and seen the real thing
and it isnt nice
i can show you pics that have been took by my mates and stuff to poove to you that it isnt propperganda or anything like that its what i saw
If it means that much to you, then why not buy organic meat and dairy? The animals die quickly and painlessly "/ However, typing that, you can get non-organic meat which comes from animals which were killed quickly and painlessly. So really, you're just looking at a small picture from a terrible fast-food outlet...

[GTA-Andy]

Nope, Cumbria is built upon farming and I wouldn't be supporting any of my relatives or freinds if I decided agasin't it, plus meat is 1337.

[velvet]

Show me proof of how they kill more animals than they save?
and how are there videos staged?

Also, your telling me that a cow wouldnt care and look after its calf? and wont be upset when its calf is ripped away from it?

http://www.petakillsanimals.com/

[Mentor]

How will it go out of bussness, maccy d's did it and they havent gone out of bussness
No the didnt? there supply chain is the same its always been.


And when i said that i ment
KFC said its suppliers
wha?


And mcdonalds did make changes i visted a place where they bought the meat before and after and it had changed
You went to africa just to see a farm?


And i have been to KFC places and seen the real thing
and it isnt nice
KFC dont have places, they buy of supplyers

i can show you pics that have been took by my mates and stuff to poove to you that it isnt propperganda or anything like that its what i sawFeel free, although you and your mates, probably need to get out more o.0

[LeftForDead]

If it means that much to you, then why not buy organic meat and dairy? The animals die quickly and painlessly "/ However, typing that, you can get non-organic meat which comes from animals which were killed quickly and painlessly. So really, you're just looking at a small picture from a terrible fast-food outlet...

Because its not all its cracked upto be


http://www.petakillsanimals.com/

Oh that one, ye ive seen that before
some stuffo on there is fake
but the one which went to trial is true
and you think about it, most the animals peta gets are already in bad condition so some will die


No the didnt? there supply chain is the same its always been.


wha?


You went to africa just to see a farm?


KFC dont have places, they buy of supplyers
Feel free, although you and your mates, probably need to get out more o.0

Mcdonalds doesnt just have farms in africa, it has them in the uk too

And when i say KFC i mean the people who supply to KFC

[GommeInc]

Because its not all its cracked upto be
What isn't? Organic or non-organic? Or meat in general? Meat isn't meant to be hip and cool, it's a source of food which obviously is meant to keep you alive? I prefer meat to vegetables, because the nutritional values are better in meat than in vegetables. You're also a tad more healthier...

[LeftForDead]

What isn't? Organic or non-organic? Or meat in general? Meat isn't meant to be hip and cool, it's a source of food which obviously is meant to keep you alive? I prefer meat to vegetables, because the nutritional values are better in meat than in vegetables. You're also a tad more healthier...

Organic and free range.

Also meat has more problems then vegtables

[GommeInc]

Organic and free range.

Also meat has more problems then vegtables
So? You can avoid these problems? At the end of the day, we can eat me and it is good for us. The only problem with meat is that if you cook it wrong, it has horrible effects. If the meat is out of date or mouldy, throw it away, like you would with fruit or veg... When meat is cooked well, you've added to your bodies nutritional needs for surviving.

[:Hazel]

boll'ocks to this thead. im sick of people going on about vegetarians all the time. yes we exist and thats our choice so get over it and go eat a cow.

[velvet]

Because its not all its cracked upto be



Oh that one, ye ive seen that before
some stuffo on there is fake
but the one which went to trial is true
and you think about it, most the animals peta gets are already in bad condition so some will die


You asked for proof so I gave you a website where you can see the statistics.
http://www.petakillsanimals.com/petaKillsAnimals.cfm

[LeftForDead]

You asked for proof so I gave you a website where you can see the statistics.
http://www.petakillsanimals.com/petaKillsAnimals.cfm
I know
but some people are obv gonna do bad things
But peta has done good things!

[GTA-Andy]

Rapists can do good things but you dont let them off, so what if they have/are it's what they are doing.

[:Liam]

Ive been vegetarian for 4 years nearly ,I hate vegetarians that say "Oh Im gonna be vegetarian but still it fish/chicken" Thats not vegetarianism thats pescatarianism :P. If your gonna be vegetarian actually be vegetarian, No Meat, No fish and No exceptions ( except for accidents :P). I am a super strict vegetarian I even buy vegetarian toothpaste as most common toothpastes contain glycerol. I also dont eat jelly sweets except for the vegetarian ones available in most health stores. I make most things from scratch and when I eat out at resturants I get quite snoby with staff as I bombard them with questions on food content, most of the time they have to get the manager :P. I even get vegetarian sugar! For a fact I dont eat anything with any traces of meat (except for accidents) Another fact: I do not preach to people making them become vegetarian, I dont ask for them to agree with me just to respect my views.
LiamMonty

[:Hazel]

"Oh Im gonna be vegetarian but still it fish/chicken" Thats not vegetarianism thats pescatarianism :P.
LiamMonty

ah thats what i am then.

[velvet]

I know
but some people are obv gonna do bad things
But peta has done good things!

I'm sure a murderer has said 'thank you' for something, or let an old woman cross a road, that's a good thing.
But that doesn't excuse the fact that they are a murderer.
It's the same with PETA, the bad outweighs the good.
Peta kills animals because it has other financial priorities, and for an organisation called People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals to have a kill rate of 90.7% in 2005 is pretty appalling.

[Mentor]

I'm sure a murderer has said 'thank you' for something, or let an old woman cross a road, that's a good thing.
But that doesn't excuse the fact that they are a murderer.
It's the same with PETA, the bad outweighs the good.
Peta kills animals because it has other financial priorities, and for an organisation called People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals to have a kill rate of 90.7% in 2005 is pretty appalling.
Personly if i were a cow, id try my luck in the slaugter houses, at least you get killed humanily there....

[English]

Ive been vegetarian for 4 years nearly ,I hate vegetarians that say "Oh Im gonna be vegetarian but still it fish/chicken" Thats not vegetarianism thats pescatarianism :P. If your gonna be vegetarian actually be vegetarian, No Meat, No fish and No exceptions ( except for accidents :P). I am a super strict vegetarian I even buy vegetarian toothpaste as most common toothpastes contain glycerol. I also dont eat jelly sweets except for the vegetarian ones available in most health stores. I make most things from scratch and when I eat out at resturants I get quite snoby with staff as I bombard them with questions on food content, most of the time they have to get the manager :P. I even get vegetarian sugar! For a fact I dont eat anything with any traces of meat (except for accidents) Another fact: I do not preach to people making them become vegetarian, I dont ask for them to agree with me just to respect my views.
LiamMonty
Finally a vegetarian that seems to know some **** about what he is! Well done, and I respect you're views.

ah thats what i am then.
Hold on, you just told some of the members to "go eat a cow". Well infact I'd say fish get the worst treatment out of them & cows so how does us eating cows & you eating fish make you any better? To be honest I'm a big lover of meat and by vegetarians thinking they are better than meat-eaters just makes me even more worked up on vegetarians and just makes it easier to flaw them. There's a lot of bloody hypocrites out there, hell people who smoke that are vegetarians wind me up. They moan at us for killing animals yet they make others passive smoke & are subsequently killing humans. In fact this could be said about most things, driving cars, causing pollution, bringing on global warming quicker it's just sealing the fate of the human race(whether it's in our generation or not) it'll affect our children/relatives in the future.

[LeftForDead]

Ive been vegetarian for 4 years nearly ,I hate vegetarians that say "Oh Im gonna be vegetarian but still it fish/chicken" Thats not vegetarianism thats pescatarianism :P. If your gonna be vegetarian actually be vegetarian, No Meat, No fish and No exceptions ( except for accidents :P). I am a super strict vegetarian I even buy vegetarian toothpaste as most common toothpastes contain glycerol. I also dont eat jelly sweets except for the vegetarian ones available in most health stores. I make most things from scratch and when I eat out at resturants I get quite snoby with staff as I bombard them with questions on food content, most of the time they have to get the manager :P. I even get vegetarian sugar! For a fact I dont eat anything with any traces of meat (except for accidents) Another fact: I do not preach to people making them become vegetarian, I dont ask for them to agree with me just to respect my views.
LiamMonty

and can your food not be within 100000 miles of a animal too?
ive gotta say with the sugar is like woah:|


I'm sure a murderer has said 'thank you' for something, or let an old woman cross a road, that's a good thing.
But that doesn't excuse the fact that they are a murderer.
It's the same with PETA, the bad outweighs the good.
Peta kills animals because it has other financial priorities, and for an organisation called People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals to have a kill rate of 90.7% in 2005 is pretty appalling.

Oh i know that it doesnt make it better, but it still does some good.



Finally a vegetarian that seems to know some **** about what he is! Well done, and I respect you're views.

Hold on, you just told some of the members to "go eat a cow". Well infact I'd say fish get the worst treatment out of them & cows so how does us eating cows & you eating fish make you any better? To be honest I'm a big lover of meat and by vegetarians thinking they are better than meat-eaters just makes me even more worked up on vegetarians and just makes it easier to flaw them. There's a lot of bloody hypocrites out there, hell people who smoke that are vegetarians wind me up. They moan at us for killing animals yet they make others passive smoke & are subsequently killing humans. In fact this could be said about most things, driving cars, causing pollution, bringing on global warming quicker it's just sealing the fate of the human race(whether it's in our generation or not) it'll affect our children/relatives in the future.
I dont think im better than you for not eating meat.
I dont make people go vegi i wont be like OH IM NOT GONNA BE YOUR MATE like that, aslong as they take the **** outa me im happy
And at the fish bit ye tbh that is worse

[English]

I dont think im better than you for not eating meat.
I dont make people go vegi i wont be like OH IM NOT GONNA BE YOUR MATE like that, aslong as they take the **** outa me im happy
And at the fish bit ye tbh that is worse
If you notice - my post was aimed at :Hazel. I'm fed up of so called vegetarians eating fish. You're not a bloody vegetarian. Infact I don't know why they are called pescatarians. They still eat fish that were killed and although it may be a fish and not a living animal they shouldn't have some name like pescatarian. They eat fish which were killed and that is no different to eating a mammal that gets killed. It's stupid especially seeing as the fish feels the most pain in the way that it dies. Going by that, pure meat eaters who only eat mammals would be more "nice" to animals in general after choosing to eat the animals that receive the least pain. It is seriously ****** up.

[velvet]

Oh i know that it doesnt make it better, but it still does some good.


I don't see why you're defending PETA.
I've given you the proof you wanted that they kill the majority of the animal they recieve, and to be honest I can't think of anything good PETA have done, pretty much their whole scheme is flawed.

[edible]

Im not a vegetarian, but i dont rli eat meat except for a wee bit of chicken.
i saw some vulgar pictures of the process of things, which made me think about becoming a vegetarian, and i hate fish anyway..but yano, people keep on bombarding me with pictures of it, i've thrown up cos of them.

so im thinking :(

[FlyingJesus]

The pictures/videos don't affect me at all, sometimes make me a bit hungry but never sick.

[Mentor]

The pictures/videos don't affect me at all, sometimes make me a bit hungry but never sick.

Ive had that... i had the same thing when i watched super size me.. i had some major cravings for a XL bacon double cheese burger from BK (i prefer the less plasticy taste)

[irresistible]

vegetarian, year & a half.
i don't eat it because i don't like it.

[plastiKKstars]

Because we are NOT cows are we? Scientific evidence shows we were built to eat meat. Your canines are to tear flesh. Supliments will help but you will not get the natural value. Plus those supliments were probably tested on Animals anyway. :rolleyes:

What i'm getting at is scientist, after scientist, after scientist all agree a balanced diet is best for humans. Granted we need more vegetables than meat but protein is just as essential as calcium or sugar.
the only reason we need to eat meat is because of the protein or fat, right?
beans, peas, etc. all have protein in.
and we can get our fat from other foods.
im a vegetarian.
its a known fact that veggie's live on average 10 yrs longer than meat eaters.
its healthier than eating meat. so i really don't know what yr trying to get at.
however, being a vegan is a bad idea.
you need yr dairy products.

[plastiKKstars]

I don't see why you're defending PETA.
I've given you the proof you wanted that they kill the majority of the animal they recieve, and to be honest I can't think of anything good PETA have done, pretty much their whole scheme is flawed.
if you are saying peta kills animals,
then what you type is bullpoop.

[Moh]

Well after how I found out how animals like Pigs, Cows, Sheep etc.. are killed, I might stop eating that type of meat.
I stoped eating McDonalds about 1 and a half years ago, as I found that nealy all the cow gets put into a burger :(
But I do like chicken.

[:Liam]

Ive stopped being vegetarian :( It all happened on friday major craving. Ive found out why. the medication im on causes short term depression :(. Which caused me to eat meat Im just flipping sick and tired of everything atm.
I hope they cure this soon. the doctors dont even fliping know whats wrong with me!

[GommeInc]

Well after how I found out how animals like Pigs, Cows, Sheep etc.. are killed, I might stop eating that type of meat.
I stoped eating McDonalds about 1 and a half years ago, as I found that nealy all the cow gets put into a burger :(
But I do like chicken.
So it was ok when they only put a little bit of the cow in? How strange...

plastiKKstars, I have no idea where your "proof" comes from. When you're a vegetarian, you have to eat more vegetables to get your daily sources of protein than you would if you got them from meat. Which in time makes you self-concious of yourself, when you start to get fat, and then you decide not to eat as much, which then leads you to becoming sick.

We're designed to eat meat, fact. We were not designed to just eat pasta, beans and other none meat products, again, fact. One thing meat does better than vegetables, is boost your immune system. The only thing you can get that sort of thing, at the same level, is taking a penicillen tablet, but that isn't good for a full working immune system, it's too powerful.

Also, it is a known fact PETA kill animals, stop trying to defend the only source that allow your to fight back with animal loving. Because PETA are not animal lovers.


Ive stopped being vegetarian :( It all happened on friday major craving. Ive found out why. the medication im on causes short term depression :(. Which caused me to eat meat Im just flipping sick and tired of everything atm.
I hope they cure this soon. the doctors dont even fliping know whats wrong with me!
That sounds strange... Hope you get better soon :) Maybe the medication demands your body to get a good source of nutrition, and it can only really be found in something as meat?

[Mentor]

the only reason we need to eat meat is because of the protein or fat, right?
beans, peas, etc. all have protein in.
and we can get our fat from other foods.
im a vegetarian.
its a known fact that veggie's live on average 10 yrs longer than meat eaters.
its healthier than eating meat. so i really don't know what yr trying to get at.
however, being a vegan is a bad idea.
you need yr dairy products.

Yet your fact is just an urban myth and the reality is quite the oppersit, after all, none of the worlds oldest people have ever been vegetarians "/

The proteans and fats gained from vegtiables are of far lower quality than that of meat, meaning for vegitrans to stay healthy, suppliments (pills etc) have to be taken.

Vegan is far worse than vegerianism though, since as opposed to just being a bit unhealthy, it goes in to the relms of being life threatening without a wide varitey of suppliments.


if you are saying peta kills animals,
then what you type is bullpoop.
peta kill 90% of animals they take in, this means they get rich of the donations that are supposed to be for looking after the animals, there just corrupt brain washers, who fund a few terroist groups on the side. Wheather you want to belive in them or not, it doesnt change the fact the organization is massively corrupt. Nearly all its full time empolies have served jail time for animal crulty/animal rights abuses, doesnt really fit with your vision does it.

[Roboevil]

Okay well done, clap clap if you don't eat meat because it tastes disgusting or it's been forced upon you as a child because your parents are vegetarians or something like that but I disagree and don't even accept what anyone says when they say "oh it's cruelty to animals". What's wrong with that? They're cruel to us back. It's not like everytime a veggie saves some cows life, the cow is thinking, "oh thankyou for saving my life, I'm eternally grateful". They forget, they don't care, and they eat. I know that's a horrible analogy based on hear say but I'd do it if a cow saved my life.

[:Hazel]

Hold on, you just told some of the members to "go eat a cow". Well infact I'd say fish get the worst treatment out of them & cows so how does us eating cows & you eating fish make you any better? To be honest I'm a big lover of meat and by vegetarians thinking they are better than meat-eaters just makes me even more worked up on vegetarians and just makes it easier to flaw them. There's a lot of bloody hypocrites out there, hell people who smoke that are vegetarians wind me up. They moan at us for killing animals yet they make others passive smoke & are subsequently killing humans. In fact this could be said about most things, driving cars, causing pollution, bringing on global warming quicker it's just sealing the fate of the human race(whether it's in our generation or not) it'll affect our children/relatives in the future.

Did I say it made me better in any way shape or form? I was bought up not to eat meat and that is that. I haven't known any different and if you call fish meat then fine.. whatever. I don't moan about people killing them I simply don't eat meat because that is how I have been bought up. Simple as.


If you notice - my post was aimed at :Hazel. I'm fed up of so called vegetarians eating fish. You're not a bloody vegetarian. Infact I don't know why they are called pescatarians. They still eat fish that were killed and although it may be a fish and not a living animal they shouldn't have some name like pescatarian. They eat fish which were killed and that is no different to eating a mammal that gets killed. It's stupid especially seeing as the fish feels the most pain in the way that it dies. Going by that, pure meat eaters who only eat mammals would be more "nice" to animals in general after choosing to eat the animals that receive the least pain. It is seriously ****** up.

Yes Ok im not a bloody vegetarian, big deal? I even said in an above post that a pescatarian is what I am if thats what people call it then fine. I eat fish and not meat because its what I'm used to and have always known, get over it.

[Ashhizzle]

Ew at all the long paragraphs :P

being a Vegatarian must be well hard ;[

[velvet]

if you are saying peta kills animals,
then what you type is bullpoop.

Are you stupid or just plain ignorant to fact?
www.petakillsanimals.com (http://www.petakillsanimals.com)
Some months PETA has a kill rate of over 90%
If you bothered to read this thread you'd SEE that it has already been stated several times.

[Browney]

Okay well done, clap clap if you don't eat meat because it tastes disgusting or it's been forced upon you as a child because your parents are vegetarians or something like that but I disagree and don't even accept what anyone says when they say "oh it's cruelty to animals". What's wrong with that? They're cruel to us back. It's not like everytime a veggie saves some cows life, the cow is thinking, "oh thankyou for saving my life, I'm eternally grateful". They forget, they don't care, and they eat. I know that's a horrible analogy based on hear say but I'd do it if a cow saved my life.

Cows wont even be sad once they are in the slaughter house. They have no rational thought.

[summer]

i couldn't live without meat, i really do like it :}

i don't see the point in this whole "saving the animals" buisness..

[RedStratocas]

No, but I might become one. Once I reach a certain age anyway. I want to develop well because Im skinny to begin with. But once Im on my own, Ill eat meat less because I dont really like it (for the most part). So its really a different reason than saving the animals.

The only meat I think is extremely wrong to eat is veil. It is terrible, terrible, terrible what they do. At least other animals raised for meat get to LIVE. It actually makes me sick thinking about it.

[velocity]

i think its horrible how the plants are treated.

[velocity]

No, but I might become one. Once I reach a certain age anyway. I want to develop well because Im skinny to begin with. But once Im on my own, Ill eat meat less because I dont really like it (for the most part). So its really a different reason than saving the animals.

The only meat I think is extremely wrong to eat is veil. It is terrible, terrible, terrible what they do. At least other animals raised for meat get to LIVE. It actually makes me sick thinking about it.
ohwell, they were gonna die anyway?

[RedStratocas]

ohwell, they were gonna die anyway?

Ehhh, its so much more than them dying though. Their life is litterally torture. Chaining them up from birth and never allowing them to move? At least cows, and even chickens get to walk around. Live at least a little bit. I know that they dont have much of a mind or anything, but I still think its pretty sick.

[FlyingJesus]

Ehhh, its so much more than them dying though. Their life is litterally torture. Chaining them up from birth and never allowing them to move? At least cows, and even chickens get to walk around. Live at least a little bit. I know that they dont have much of a mind or anything, but I still think its pretty sick.

Animals have no rational thought, so therefore the "pain" they feel is only instinctive/reactional, rather than what we feel and name as pain. Their perception of pain and torture is tantamount to that of a dandelion.

[RedStratocas]

Animals have no rational thought, so therefore the "pain" they feel is only instinctive/reactional, rather than what we feel and name as pain. Their perception of pain and torture is tantamount to that of a dandelion.

I know. But to me, its what theyre doing rather than how the animals feel. Sounds weird, but its just something that really bothers me.

[FlyingJesus]

The joys of a human conscience. I know what you mean though, one of those things that you just think is bad "because". I get that, but not with meat, I like eating too much :8

[Shawnstra]

Im a maneater

kthxbi

[Cwmbran]

Vegan since new years day. :)

[GommeInc]

I know. But to me, its what theyre doing rather than how the animals feel. Sounds weird, but its just something that really bothers me.
This is a problem many people should destroy. I suggest you stop comparing humans to other animals. In other words stop relating your concept of pain to that of an animal, such as a chicken or cow. They're different to what we see pain as.


Vegan since new years day. :)
Dead by next year?

[Ezzie.]

Been a vegetarian for a year and a few weeks- been feeling alot healthier

[Jordy]

Been a vegetarian for the last 4 years, the trouble it's caused though? it's awesome.

[Shawnstra]

I cannot live without meat lol :P

[Ezzie.]

Been a vegetarian for the last 4 years, the trouble it's caused though? it's awesome.

What trouble did it cause? Sorry if you meant it as something else- feeling abit out of it today :P

[Jordy]

What trouble did it cause? Sorry if you meant it as something else- feeling abit out of it today :P

lol when you go round your mates house and stuff, they're all like. OMGZZ A VEGETARIAN and have to buy me vegetarian food.

Also I'm the only vegetarian in my family, so my my parents buy me separate food :P

[dj-sims2]

yup im a vegie and have been for 2 weeks :P

it hard cos i used to love sausages but i don't now

[benjamin]

I don't really think I could go without eating meat..

[Ezzie.]

lol when you go round your mates house and stuff, they're all like. OMGZZ A VEGETARIAN and have to buy me vegetarian food.

Also I'm the only vegetarian in my family, so my my parents buy me separate food :P


Meh, don't your mates understand the concept of fruit and vegetables? :P

And to lethal: I didn't think I'd give up meat but I just quit cold turkey (boom-boom) overnight and a year later i'm happier/healthier so meh , but each has their own path :P If you want to be veggie- do it, if you don't- don't, simple as ;)

[MJJ]

My parents are, but I'm not.

[GommeInc]

Are you actually healthier, or is it psychological that you think you are healther?

What I find amusing, is when veggies talk as if they have joined the AA and are talking about quitting alcohol, as if eating meat was destroying themselves and their families.

[:Liam]

I was vegetarian for 3 and a half years but I gave up as with my stomach ulcer they recommended a high source of protein to kill of this certain type of bacteria (h pylori) So I just gave up for health reasons.

[Ezzie.]

Are you actually healthier, or is it psychological that you think you are healther?

What I find amusing, is when veggies talk as if they have joined the AA and are talking about quitting alcohol, as if eating meat was destroying themselves and their families.

Alas you talk about meat like it can do nothing wrong to you :rolleyes:
And no, it's not in my mind- I've been healthier ;)

[GommeInc]

Alas you talk about meat like it can do nothing wrong to you :rolleyes:
And no, it's not in my mind- I've been healthier ;)

It can't? As long as it is:

Cooked properly.
Fresh (not gone mouldy etc etc)

Meat is ok and good for you. Let me guess, you're one of these vegetarians who has deluded themselves into thinking meat causes more problems than it solves and that we are not made for it, because to solve the problem of a further argument, we are built to eat meat more than we are to eat greens e.g. digestion and teeth and it carries more nutrients than vegetables, unless you get these genetically modified rubbish, which goes to show that natural food like meat is better than modified, boost, unnatural food like vegatables is not as good.

You speak about vegatables, fruit, pasta etc as if they are the only thing we should eat, and that they are way better than meat. Go read a magazine or website about how much better meat is for us than vegetables, granted that they do comment about mixing the two.

[Haylz]

Well, I like chicken on an occasion (especially for Sunday dinner) lol :)

[Ezzie.]

It can't? As long as it is:

Cooked properly.
Fresh (not gone mouldy etc etc)

Meat is ok and good for you. Let me guess, you're one of these vegetarians who has deluded themselves into thinking meat causes more problems than it solves and that we are not made for it, because to solve the problem of a further argument, we are built to eat meat more than we are to eat greens e.g. digestion and teeth and it carries more nutrients than vegetables, unless you get these genetically modified rubbish, which goes to show that natural food like meat is better than modified, boost, unnatural food like vegatables is not as good.

You speak about vegatables, fruit, pasta etc as if they are the only thing we should eat, and that they are way better than meat. Go read a magazine or website about how much better meat is for us than vegetables, granted that they do comment about mixing the two.

There is so many flawed points in that argument I really can't be bothered to pick it apart as you clearly are bias and wont ever change your view- and before you say- no i'm not bias, I know meat carries nutrients but there's also cons to it too. Same as vegetables, as I've said before I seriously don't give a **** if you want to eat meat or not, but anytime someone states their views you seem to want to attack them, is this possibly a subconscious reaction to your denial?

"look on any website or magazine", you do know some of the top health websites/organisations approve of a vegetarian/vegan lifestyle?



It is the position of The American Dietetic Association (ADA) that appropriately planned vegetarian diets are healthful, are nutritionally adequate, and provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases.

[velocity]

[color=Black][b]There is so many flawed points in that argument I really can't be bothered to pick it apart as you clearly are bias and wont ever change your view- and before you say- no i'm not bias, I know meat carries nutrients but there's also cons to it too. Same as vegetables, as I've said before I seriously don't give a **** if you want to eat meat or not, but anytime someone states their views you seem to want to attack them, is this possibly a subconscious reaction to your denial?

"look on any website or magazine", you do know some of the top health websites/organisations approve of a vegetarian/vegan lifestyle?


no, sorry - i belive his argument was valid. unless you point out his flaws.

[Ezzie.]

no, sorry - i belive his argument was valid. unless you point out his flaws.

I think I did? :rolleyes: Also i'd mention that gomme's opinions aren't flawed as they are opinions, but his opinions of vegetarians I find flawed (that made no sense but i'm tired -.-)

Also been looking up some reports about vegetarianism on some websites (no I don't buy into all of the peta stuff- I like to not blindly follow something- which some vegetarians/supporters of meat do)

Seems to show that vegetarianism (well balanced of-course) can improve health because of the low saturated fats, whilst meat gives much nutrients as I've said there are cons such as the saturated fats/too much clogs arteries etc, such as the same as some vegetables that have been sprayed with pestisides etc.

Here's a quote from the american dietry association on their report on vegetarianism=




Vegetarian diets low in fat or saturated fat have been used successfully as part of comprehensive health programs to reverse severe coronary artery disease (3,4). Vegetarian diets offer disease protection benefits because of their lower saturated fat, cholesterol, and animal protein content and often higher concentration of folate (which reduces serum homocysteine levels) (5), antioxidants such as vitamins C and E, carotenoids, and phytochemicals (6). Not only is mortality from coronary artery disease lower in vegetarians than in nonvegetarians (7), but vegetarian diets have also been successful in arresting coronary artery disease (8,9). Total serum cholesterol and low-density lipoprotein cholesterol levels are usually lower in vegetarians, but high-density lipoprotein cholesterol and triglyceride levels vary depending on the type of vegetarian diet followed (10).

Vegetarians tend to have a lower incidence of hypertension than nonvegetarians (11). This effect appears to be independent of both body weight and sodium intake. Type 2 diabetes mellitus is much less likely to be a cause of death in vegetarians than nonvegetarians, perhaps because of their higher intake of complex carbohydrates and lower body mass index (12).

Incidence of lung and colorectal cancer is lower in vegetarians than in nonvegetarians (2,13). Reduced colorectal cancer risk is associated with increased consumption of fiber, vegetables, and fruit (14,15). The environment of the colon differs notably in vegetarians compared with nonvegetarians in ways that could favorably affect colon cancer risk (16,17). Lower breast cancer rates have not been observed in Western vegetarians, but cross-cultural data indicate that breast cancer rates are lower in populations that consume plant-based diets (18). The lower estrogen levels in vegetarian women may be protective (19).

A well-planned vegetarian diet may be useful in the prevention and treatment of renal disease. Studies using human being and animal models suggest that some plant proteins may increase survival rates and decrease proteinuria, glomerular filtration rate, renal blood flow, and histologic renal damage compared with a nonvegetarian diet (20,21).

[GommeInc]

[COLOR=Black][B]There is so many flawed points in that argument I really can't be bothered to pick it apart as you clearly are bias and wont ever change your view- and before you say- no i'm not bias, I know meat carries nutrients but there's also cons to it too. Same as vegetables, as I've said before I seriously don't give a **** if you want to eat meat or not, but anytime someone states their views you seem to want to attack them, is this possibly a subconscious reaction to your denial?
So do you? So why can't I? And you can't name any flaws because you simply don't know any and you are pretty much hypocritcal in your argument, saying I am biased when you are very biased in your attitude towards meat. I eat meat and vegetables, fruit and so forth, and I know what both are like, why youa re just taking it from pure hate towards meat eating and websites and articles, which aren't 100% correct.

Vegetables and fruit contain alot of products that are not as digested as meat in the human body. FACT. Most parts of meat are nutrients and therefore used by the body. FACT. You need to consume more vegetables to reach the same level as nutrients as meat, therefore you either eat more making yourself larger and produce alot more waste or eat a regular amount and take in half the nutrients. FACT.

Your article is aload of hoo-har which you quoted from the internet. As I stated, meat isn't fatty unless you cover it in fat "/ I agree that living off an all meat diet is a bit strange and not healthy, but living off a diet of meat, vegetables and fruit is, and living off a diet of just vegetables and fruit isn't as healthy as a diet with meat, because you don't have as much nutrients as meat.

You seem to be in denial you vegetarian biased fool. Wake up and smell the bacon. Meat can be eaten by humans and IS good for you. There are pros and cons in everything, even vegetarianism. Low immune is one of them and stomach problems, like someone in the thread has said.

[Ezzie.]

So do you? So why can't I? And you can't name any flaws because you simply don't know any and you are pretty much hypocritcal in your argument, saying I am biased when you are very biased in your attitude towards meat. I eat meat and vegetables, fruit and so forth, and I know what both are like, why youa re just taking it from pure hate towards meat eating and websites and articles, which aren't 100% correct.


I used to eat meat, I have nothing against it- my familly eat meat= flawed argument there.

Websites and articles which aren't 100% correct? You're saying that the leading health association in America is wrong?




Vegetables and fruit contain alot of products that are not as digested as meat in the human body. FACT.That makes no sense. FACT


Most parts of meat are nutrients and therefore used by the body. FACT. Do you eat your meat raw? It loses alot of it's nutrients when it's cooked- FLAWED


You need to consume more vegetables to reach the same level as nutrients as meat, therefore you either eat more making yourself larger and produce alot more waste or eat a regular amount and take in half the nutrients. FACT.That is so flawed. In vegetables there isn't saturated fats or cholesterol (or barely any), secondly can I ask why obescity is a-lot lower in vegetarians than meat eaters?
Your argument is opinion and alas is bias, yet I seem to re-call you calling me bias? :rolleyes::rolleyes: Flawed.




Your article is aload of hoo-har which you quoted from the internet. As I stated, meat isn't fatty unless you cover it in fat "/ I agree that living off an all meat diet is a bit strange and not healthy, but living off a diet of meat, vegetables and fruit is, and living off a diet of just vegetables and fruit isn't as healthy as a diet with meat, because you don't have as much nutrients as meat.Completely disregarded this part as you called the leading health association "hoo-har" =lol.:rolleyes:





You seem to be in denial you vegetarian biased fool. Wake up and smell the bacon. Meat can be eaten by humans and IS good for you. There are pros and cons in everything, even vegetarianism. Low immune is one of them and stomach problems, like someone in the thread has said.Low immunity? It's recommended to eat lots of fruit and vegetables to stay healthy and keep your immunity in check..:rolleyes:

Meat can be eaten indeed, but I see it as a survival mechanism from when vegetation was scarce- do you know how long it takes to digest meat?

Stomach problems? Food that is EASIER to digest gives stomach problems? *looks at my stomach* hmm..

And to think, a nice slab of meat that takes longer to digest- clogs up your colon and arteries is sure yum right?

Also thanks for calling me a "fool", I also liked your pun "wake up and smell the bacon", petty insults and puns wont win an argument me dear.

[GommeInc]

Websites and articles which aren't 100% correct? You're saying that the leading health association in America is wrong?
It's American? Besides, there are hundreds of websites saying eating meat and vegetables is healthier than just meat alone.


That makes no sense. FACT.
You obviously can't read. FACT :P.There are alot of waste materials in vegetables, which are just ejected from the body and not used. There is a smaller amount of nutrients in vegetables than there are in meat as a whole, therefore, more for your body to take in and less to throw out.


Do you eat your meat raw? It loses alot of it's nutrients when it's cooked- FLAWED
What you said has nothing to do with my argument. Also, you can eat beef raw, chicken slightly raw and pork slightly raw. My argument is that meat as a whole has more nutrients in, not that cooking meat holds the same/more nutrients. Also, vegetables lose nutrients when cooked, but more people don't mind eating vegetables raw than they would some meat.


That is so flawed. In vegetables there isn't saturated fats or cholesterol (or barely any), secondly can I ask why obescity is a-lot lower in vegetarians than meat eaters?
I never said anything about the cooking habits of the 21st Century? Meat doesn't carry alot of fat when cooked in the right oils. So again, your criticism doesn't go with my argument? Meat carries more nutrients than vegetables when cooked properly, as in, little oil (like a tea spoon of olive oil). You can cook it in pretty much anything. Also, I think people would agree that they prefer flavour over health, especially when it is trivial amounts of fat which can keep you going. What's wrong with fat anyway? You do realise you need a bit of fat in with your diet?

Secondly, loads of people seem to have a habit of soaking meat in litres of oil, thinking it is nicer. I prefer small amounts so that the flavour is a bit natural, and it is a bit healthier too.


Your argument is opinion and alas is bias, yet I seem to re-call you calling me bias? :rolleyes::rolleyes: Flawed.
So are you? Saying you are healthier without meat and so on. I am working off fact and personal opinion, and what people prefer, flavour etc.

I think we should agree on one thing, that the whole vegetarians vs. meat and vegetable eaters argument is an argument which goes in one big circle, with no real answer.


Completely disregarded this part as you called the leading health association "hoo-har" =lol.:rolleyes:
Because they arguing about fat in meat, which is aload of rubbish. They are arguing about how the meat is cooked, not the meat itself "/


Low immunity? It's recommended to eat lots of fruit and vegetables to stay healthy and keep your immunity in check..:rolleyes:
So why do vegetarians get sick so easily? Looking at my friends, and a few other I know, they get sick extremely easily, while my friends who eat meat, don't get as sick as easily. My friend who uses this forum, Mentor, barely eats any vegetables and I don't even think he eats fruit, he is still alive and barely gets sick?


Meat can be eaten indeed, but I see it as a survival mechanism from when vegetation was scarce- do you know how long it takes to digest meat?
Longer, because the body uses more of the nutrients from it. Vegetables digest quicker, because only a small amount is used by the body. Why?


Stomach problems? Food that is EASIER to digest gives stomach problems? *looks at my stomach* hmm..
It's easy to digest, because it goes straight through you :rolleyes: And the stomach problems could be caused by the lack of digestion or the lack of healthy nutrients which you seem to believe and dis-believe to exist in meat.


And to think, a nice slab of meat that takes longer to digest- clogs up your colon and arteries is sure yum right?
As stated, it only takes longer to digest because your body uses more of it, if your body doesn't use most of it, then what is your feeble excuse for meat not taking long to digest? And you are over-exaggerating alot... I think you're missing the points I have said, it is what you have cooked the meat in, which causes the problems. Meat contains very little, and that small amount of fat isn't bad for you either, because fat is something your body needs "/


Also thanks for calling me a "fool", I also liked your pun "wake up and smell the bacon", petty insults and puns wont win an argument me dear.
Neither does your lack of knowledge on the bodies digestion, m'dear.

[Ezzie.]

It's American? Besides, there are hundreds of websites saying eating meat and vegetables is healthier than just meat alone.

So you're being racist now? Charming.



You obviously can't read. FACT :P.There are alot of waste materials in vegetables, which are just ejected from the body and not used. There is a smaller amount of nutrients in vegetables than there are in meat as a whole, therefore, more for your body to take in and less to throw out.

Ahh Yeap, all the vitamins and minerals just get ejected along with the food used? Where the hell do you get this stuff :S



What you said has nothing to do with my argument. Also, you can eat beef raw, chicken slightly raw and pork slightly raw. My argument is that meat as a whole has more nutrients in, not that cooking meat holds the same/more nutrients. Also, vegetables lose nutrients when cooked, but more people don't mind eating vegetables raw than they would some meat.

Steamed vegetables/raw vegetables= even more nutrients=yup.
Eating meat raw can actually make you ill, depending on a few factors.



I never said anything about the cooking habits of the 21st Century? Meat doesn't carry alot of fat when cooked in the right oils. So again, your criticism doesn't go with my argument? Meat carries more nutrients than vegetables when cooked properly, as in, little oil (like a tea spoon of olive oil). You can cook it in pretty much anything. Also, I think people would agree that they prefer flavour over health, especially when it is trivial amounts of fat which can keep you going. What's wrong with fat anyway? You do realise you need a bit of fat in with your diet?

Taste over health? You see this is where i've lost any respect for you, what if chemical waste "tasted nice" would you drink that too?
The right type of fats are good, last I heard saturated fats weren't...


Secondly, loads of people seem to have a habit of soaking meat in litres of oil, thinking it is nicer. I prefer small amounts so that the flavour is a bit natural, and it is a bit healthier too.



So are you? Saying you are healthier without meat and so on. I am working off fact and personal opinion, and what people prefer, flavour etc.

I am healthier not eating meat? It's a fact :O


I think we should agree on one thing, that the whole vegetarians vs. meat and vegetable eaters argument is an argument which goes in one big circle, with no real answer.

What i've said from the start... I don't exactly care if you eat meat or not, it's just when you start attacking MY opinions on life that I defend myself.



Because they arguing about fat in meat, which is aload of rubbish. They are arguing about how the meat is cooked, not the meat itself "/


So why do vegetarians get sick so easily? Looking at my friends, and a few other I know, they get sick extremely easily, while my friends who eat meat, don't get as sick as easily. My friend who uses this forum, Mentor, barely eats any vegetables and I don't even think he eats fruit, he is still alive and barely gets sick?

Mentor is like 17 or 18? Just because he's "not getting sick now" doesn't mean a lack of vegetables and fruit could prove difficulties in later life.

"why do vegetarians get sick so easily"- this is personal opinion, or the person who is claiming to be a vegetarian isn't eating a healthy balanced diet.



Longer, because the body uses more of the nutrients from it. Vegetables digest quicker, because only a small amount is used by the body. Why?

No, you're wrong there: vegetables can be broken down quickly whereas meat which is incredibly dense (not nutrients dense before you play that card) takes ages to be broken down by the acids in your stomach.



It's easy to digest, because it goes straight through you :rolleyes: And the stomach problems could be caused by the lack of digestion or the lack of healthy nutrients which you seem to believe and dis-believe to exist in meat.

read above /\



As stated, it only takes longer to digest because your body uses more of it, if your body doesn't use most of it, then what is your feeble excuse for meat not taking long to digest? And you are over-exaggerating alot... I think you're missing the points I have said, it is what you have cooked the meat in, which causes the problems. Meat contains very little, and that small amount of fat isn't bad for you either, because fat is something your body needs "/

You've repeated yourself about three times now. Read above answers..



Neither does your lack of knowledge on the bodies digestion, m'dear.

Yet you seem to not even understand the simple explanation of denseness=more time to be broken down concept..
Tut tut.

It seems you're not actually arguing with me to accept any thing i've said , your whole underlying principle is "lol meat is bad cos my friends said so!!!"

Whereas I've given solid evidence that leading a vegetarian diet is healthy (read the link I provided from an actual health association)

I see no reason to keep wasting my "energy" (because I don't get enough nutrients- guffaw) on a pointless argument where you're seeming to spout personal opinions instead of providing actual factual evidence. Peace out m'dear. ;)

[GommeInc]

So you're being racist now? Charming.
Who says I was? You could look into more. There are loads of American based dietary websites, most of which are based around aload of hoo-har about fats when meat itself doesn't carry alot, as I keep stating, the fats in meat are good for you. Saturated fats are in the oil, the meat however, has a type of fat which your body uses.


Ahh Yeap, all the vitamins and minerals just get ejected along with the food used? Where the hell do you get this stuff :S
Now this is where you make up crap based on no scientific theory or knowledge. Take celery for example, the string bits are not used and are bad to digest. Take sweetcorn, the skin is hard to digest and what's inside is very minuscule, even in a pan full "/


Steamed vegetables/raw vegetables= even more nutrients=yup.
Eating meat raw can actually make you ill, depending on a few factors.

It depends on the sort of person you are. Obviously not everyones body is built the same so someone can eat raw(er) meat than another person.


Taste over health? You see this is where i've lost any respect for you, what if chemical waste "tasted nice" would you drink that too?
The right type of fats are good, last I heard saturated fats weren't...

You have a boring life... Would you eat dirt if it was good for you? ;) Meat doesn't hold alot of saturated fats, is this one of your made up stories in la-la land? The fats in meat are used in the body for the good reasons.


I am healthier not eating meat? It's a fact :O
And my cousin who doesn't eat meat is extremely unhealthy and moans about her weight. She doesn't each chocolate but she eats alot of fruit and veg. :o Fact! Vegetables make people mentally depressed and large.


What i've said from the start... I don't exactly care if you eat meat or not, it's just when you start attacking MY opinions on life that I defend myself.
I dislike the fact that your ideas are strongly opinionated and don't stand on strong foundations that are based on scientific theories, knowledge and experience.





Mentor is like 17 or 18? Just because he's "not getting sick now" doesn't mean a lack of vegetables and fruit could prove difficulties in later life.
So you don't believe in obese children then? And 17-18 years is quite good, all that FAT and lack of nutrients... Sarcasm there ;)


"why do vegetarians get sick so easily"- this is personal opinion, or the person who is claiming to be a vegetarian isn't eating a healthy balanced diet.
Perhaps it is your personal opinion that my facts are personal opinions, because you have nothing solid to defend yourself with? And what is a balanced diet? You seem to think raw/steamed fruit and veg is a diet at the moment. A balanced diet is fruit, veg and meat, because you get good nutrients from all of them.


No, you're wrong there: vegetables can be broken down quickly whereas meat which is incredibly dense (not nutrients dense before you play that card) takes ages to be broken down by the acids in your stomach.
Now you're going against physics aswell as biology! Parts of a vegetable cannot be broken down and come out nearly whole e.g. sweetcorn, celery string etc. You are also making up stuff again, not all meat is dense. Chicken is extremely nutritious and healthy and is broken down reasonably fast. Beef on the other hand takes a while to break down because it is a tough meat, thus dense ;) BUT, the meat is nutritious depending on what sort of cut it is. Braised steak contains 1g of saturated fat in a 3oz steak which is 7% of the recommended intake, not alot is it and in fact, it is good by a well known dietary plan called Weight Watchers "/ Also take into account that it holds 24% of your recommended cholesterol. So are you suggest meat eaters guzzle down tons of the stuff? Why make up such rubbish?

A 3oz braise steak also holds 36% of selenium which is good for you might I add:

"This nutrient is an important part of antioxidant enzymes that protect cells against the effects of free radicals that are produced during normal oxygen metabolism. The body has developed defenses such as antioxidants to control levels of free radicals because they can damage cells and contribute to the development of some chronic diseases. Selenium is also essential for normal functioning of the immune system and thyroid gland."

I make up rubbish do I? Seems not "/ Notice immune system. 36% to help protect you? Not bad...

Oh look, 26% of Niacin:

"Niacin, also known as nicotinic acid or vitamin B3, is a water-soluble vitamin whose derivatives such as NADH, NAD, NAD+, and NADP play essential roles in energy metabolism in the living cell and DNA repair."

Wow, that stuff seems unhealthy doesn't it?

Oh, and 14% of Iron, now that is also good for red blood cells and also 14% of riboflavin, which is pretty much the same as Niacin. The only slight bad thing is the 14% of phosphates which are used in process foods, but this is very low in organic beef.

32% of Zinc, now that's good for healthy muscle tissue and can slow down the chances of getting flu "/

You would have to eat an equivalent of 6 bags of peanuts before reaching the amount in meat.

Seems like I have won that pathetic argument that beef is bad for you. Dense, yes. Unhealthy, no.


You've repeated yourself about three times now. Read above answers..
You can't understand fact, read above. Don't bother saying "But too much of this is bad for you" because 3oz of braised steak is alot and the % is recommended intake.





Yet you seem to not even understand the simple explanation of denseness=more time to be broken down concept..
Tut tut.
This goes regardless to my claim that meat is healthier.


It seems you're not actually arguing with me to accept any thing i've said , your whole underlying principle is "lol meat is bad cos my friends said so!!!"
My friends think meat is bad? Also, I would rather be right than go with your deluded theory that meat is bad. Beef is said to be the unhealthiest meat, yet it has alot of immune boosting nutrients inside plus more "/


Whereas I've given solid evidence that leading a vegetarian diet is healthy (read the link I provided from an actual health association)
And I am using solid proof from Wikipedia and health experts such as weight watchers to go against your pathetic attempts to say meat is bad for you "/


I see no reason to keep wasting my "energy" (because I don't get enough nutrients- guffaw) on a pointless argument where you're seeming to spout personal opinions instead of providing actual factual evidence. Peace out m'dear. ;)
Tata my deluded vegetarian friend who has deluded himself into thinking vegetables are better than meat adn believe that fats exist in meat when I pretty much destroyed that theory with proof that cooked braised steak is incredibly healthy and doesn't have "artery clogging" substances in.

Good bye now, your lack of energy from your vegetables seems to make you tired. Thankfully I had a yummy, energy boosting pasta and beef bolognaise for dinner, and I have much energy in me!

[Browney]

I am healthier not eating meat? It's a fact :O



Fact: The human body needs the protein and fats obtained in meat. Depriving your body off these essential things cannot in any way be healthy.

[Ezzie.]

Ah man.. *recovers from rolling on the floor laughing* Thanks for giving me a laugh gomme. Too tired to give a quote to quote answer but I'll give you some "facts" about me eating vegetables: I have chronic fatigue syndrome/m.e= ate meat for 2 years of it and felt very bad, although cfs/m.e goes up and down once I started eating vegetables my m.e improved (I've gone back to guitar lessons/can concentrate better doing work etc) and i've been healthier immunity wise- only had one flu in a year.

Can I ask what you think of the enviromental aspects of eating meat also?


My friends think meat is bad? Also, I would rather be right than go with your deluded theory that meat is bad. Beef is said to be the unhealthiest meat, yet it has alot of immune boosting nutrients inside plus more "/

Oh and here you take my words out of context:
I don't believe meat is bad except if taking in excess which is what alot of the western countries are doing- something like 2/3x the amount recommended=thus obescity/heart problems etc.

Plus the whole factory farming: where pigs are sometimes fed their own species either through canabilism or it being mixed with-in their foods which can spread disease such as mad cow/bird flu/e-coli etc.


I respect your opinions to eat meat (obviously you have no respect for others): I just think the world would be alot better if we didn't eat meat OR didn't eat it at the amount we do now- it'd reduce water pollution from the livestock/global warming from the pollution from mainly sheep/cows, obescity, e-coli, clogged colon, etc etc.

Also you keep contradicting yourself: you keep saying that vegetarians are sickly and weak, then you go on to say that they get fat easier... ^_^

Anyway, I was going to reply but your replies were so funny I thought I should commend you on giving me a laugh.


Fact: The human body needs the protein and fats obtained in meat. Depriving your body off these essential things cannot in any way be healthy.

You do know you can just get as many proteins from vegetables right? Also vegetables are lower in saturated fats (way lower) and high in fiber aswell as vitamins, hmmm ..





Oh and one last note:
This woman must be very ill and sickly being a vegetarian... right?

http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/-chinas-happy-vegetarian-turns-120-/2006/04/26/1610597.htm

(also in the guinness world records)

You see that's not hear say/not opinion it's fact.

[:Liam]

Since I stopped being vegetarian Ive lost 1 stone (when I was vegetarian I was a stone overweight) So now im back to my average weight. If you think about it meat eaters get all the protein from vegetables ect. aswell as from meat therefore they can be healthier. But really it depends what you eat as some vegetarians may eat lots of fried vegetables where as a meat eater might eat lots of lean meat ect. or a vegetarian eats healthy and a meat eater eats lots of fried meats. As when I stopped being vegetarian I eat all the same foods as I did as a vegetarian and just added meat. so im getting protien from both therefore Im healthy than I was before.

[Browney]

You do know you can just get as many proteins from vegetables right? Also vegetables are lower in saturated fats (way lower) and high in fiber aswell as vitamins, hmmm ..

Scientists have proven that the humans species needs a balanced diet. Sugars, fibre, carbs, fats. All useful. All needed.

Pork Loin Chop: 25g of protein
5 cans of baked beans: 25g of protein
(Approx)

[Ezzie.]

Scientists have proven that the humans species needs a balanced diet. Sugars, fibre, carbs, fats. All useful. All needed.

All obtainable in a vegetarian diet- the only thing that is slightly harder to get is b12- but the body barely needs it anyway as the more b12 you take in the less you use.


Pork Loin Chop: 25g of protein
5 cans of baked beans: 25g of protein
(Approx)

Because obviously all vegetarians eat is beans...right?

[Browney]

Because obviously all vegetarians eat is beans...right?

But obviously all us people eat is pork chop. It works both ways. I never said all vegetarians eat is beans. I just used beans as a simple example.

[Ezzie.]

But obviously all us people eat is pork chop. It works both ways. I never said all vegetarians eat is beans. I just used beans as a simple example.

Yet you're the one who gave the pork=bean example? :eusa_wall:rolleyes:

Pork is a hell of a lot more complex compared to beans.. :S

[Browney]

Yet you're the one who gave the pork=bean example? :eusa_wall:rolleyes:

Pork is a hell of a lot more complex compared to beans.. :S


Hey, in all fairness (and I was gonna put this in my last post but ran out of editing time. Doh.) soya beans have 17g of protein and 3 ounces of extra-lean roasted ham has the same. I would also have to eat 6 slices of bacon for the amount of protein in those soya beans. (I'd still choose the bacon though, lol.)

[Ezzie.]

Hey, in all fairness (and I was gonna put this in my last post but ran out of editing time. Doh.) soya beans have 17g of protein and 3 ounces of extra-lean roasted ham has the same.

Valid point, but you've got to take in the bulk size and weight also, normally with soy beans you'd mix in with many other vegetables too= thus balancing out the portion size.

What confuses me is Gomme said vegetarians get fat.. Vegetables have barely any calories hence even if I did eat more to balance out the proportions I'd still be consuming less calories; in all honesty I've been loosing weight since being vegetarian (and in a balanced slow process, not like loosing a stone in a week)

I think the main ideal here is both paths are healthy if well balanced and you take in all aspects of the food groups, some could argue that it is unethical to consume the flesh of animals when we can live fine without it, others could argue that (in a religous aspect) that God placed animals here to feast on and other such things, it's going around in circles to be honest.

The main thing that gets me angry is about all the factory farms- especially veal cows, they just get put in a box till slaughter so the meat is "tastier", those type of things really irritate me.. but alas.

[Browney]

What confuses me is Gomme said vegetarians get fat.. Vegetables have barely any calories hence even if I did eat more to balance out the proportions I'd still be consuming less calories; in all honesty I've been loosing weight since being vegetarian (and in a balanced slow process, not like loosing a stone in a week)


Apparently, celery has so little calories that your body actually uses more calories digesting it that you obtain from eating it. Just a bit of random info there. ;)

[Ezzie.]

Apparently, celery has so little calories that your body actually uses more calories digesting it that you obtain from eating it. Just a bit of random info there. ;)

Yeah it's mad :PDidn't know it used calories more than it took in heh.
Saw on a program that people suffering from obesity are being given vegetarian diets because of the low calorie/high nutrients aspect of it, but for people who eat a lot of meat I guess It'd be very hard to stick too.

[Browney]

Yeah it's mad :PDidn't know it used calories more than it took in heh.
Saw on a program that people suffering from obesity are being given vegetarian diets because of the low calorie/high nutrients aspect of it, but for people who eat a lot of meat I guess It'd be very hard to stick too.

I could live with a vegetarian diet. Potatoes are vegetables right? Roasted, mashed, boiled. Yum yum.

[Ezzie.]

I could live with a vegetarian diet. Potatoes are vegetables right? Roasted, mashed, boiled. Yum yum.

Indeed they are, and living as a vegetarian is **** easy to be honest, same meals just without the meat and a lil more veg *shrug*

Mash em boil em stick em in a stew... :O

[Jackbee]

meats the nicest type of food in the world

[Ezzie.]

meats the nicest type of food in the world


I'd have to disagree= pizza= heaven :D

[Oni]

Ive been vegetarian for over 10 years, I cant even remember what meat tastes like. There is a hell of alot less fat genrally in vegetables than meat so we are genrally lighter. If your really like the taste of meat that much you could eat quorn I hate the stuff but it tastes like meat but its much healthier.

[Ezzie.]

Ive been vegetarian for over 10 years, I cant even remember what meat tastes like. There is a hell of alot less fat genrally in vegetables than meat so we are genrally lighter. If your really like the taste of meat that much you could eat quorn I hate the stuff but it tastes like meat but its much healthier.

Yeah- quorn has the texture of meat, I had it once and thought i was eating real chicken but *shrugs*

[Lycan]

simple thread [: are you a vegetarian & how long have you been one?
i've been a vegetarian since birth, ahar. so nearly 17 years. [:

how about you?



Since Birth =) so 18


Tis great being veggie. get great college nicknames like veg.

Evil Mars stealing my choclate!

[Ezzie.]

Since Birth =) so 18


Tis great being veggie. get great college nicknames like veg.

Evil Mars stealing my choclate!

No stealing MY chocolate! :P

R.I.P Maltesers and Galaxy :|

[Lycan]

wait wait wait, YOUR? choclate.


PFft

I get to loose Marsbars, Twix, Revels, Planets (which i just started to love)

[GommeInc]

Ah man.. *recovers from rolling on the floor laughing* Thanks for giving me a laugh gomme. Too tired to give a quote to quote answer but I'll give you some "facts" about me eating vegetables: I have chronic fatigue syndrome/m.e= ate meat for 2 years of it and felt very bad, although cfs/m.e goes up and down once I started eating vegetables my m.e improved (I've gone back to guitar lessons/can concentrate better doing work etc) and i've been healthier immunity wise- only had one flu in a year.
And you decide to tell me now about your illness after our argument? I think you're the fool who should be considered the laughing stock. My argument is against vegetarians who do not have any problems with them other than the delusion of thinking meat is bad for them and it is very VERY unhealthy. Also, loads of people don't catch flu for your information, it is why getting the fly vaccination is very pointless among the majority of people. The only people who need it are people with low immune e.g. me and the elderly "/ Another fact, you over-read. This maybe mean, but I think you using your illness in an argument is just an attempt for a sympathy and has made you deluded.


Can I ask what you think of the enviromental aspects of eating meat also?
That is barely touches the environment? Eating beef = less cows = less CO2. Eating vegetables = more CO2 = environment issues are the only factors I can think of. Also, the argument is about vegetarianism, not with environmentalism.



Oh and here you take my words out of context:
I don't believe meat is bad except if taking in excess which is what alot of the western countries are doing- something like 2/3x the amount recommended=thus obescity/heart problems etc.
You do the same for my words too "/ Besides, 2/3x the recommended amount must be over-exaggerated, as that would be about 90z of beef in comparison, which is a hell of alot "/ The argument you are having is again, which I keep blooming mentioning and you keep over-looking, is what you cook the meat in. Jesus.


Plus the whole factory farming: where pigs are sometimes fed their own species either through canabilism or it being mixed with-in their foods which can spread disease such as mad cow/bird flu/e-coli etc.
They haven't done this in years, it got banned I think 3 years ago and is illegal I believe. Besides, if this is true, there would only be a very small amount of it in meat products, because of this ruling.

EDIT: Why are you pointing out American facts when you and I are British? Keep to your own nation, because I could argue about vegetables and fruit made in other countries which could be worse "/

Like insects traveling in bananas from Africa wiping out other insects like bees etc.


I respect your opinions to eat meat (obviously you have no respect for others):
I don't have respect for people who think eating meast is bad/unhealthy like you. Because you are the minority with your illness meaning the remainder of vegetarians are either deluded or simply don't like meat.

My cousin is a vegetarian, and I respect her because she has admitted she doesn't like meat and it makers her ill. Granted vegetables are making her look a bit chubby, but I think she has always been like that.

Here is a phrase for you to learn for homework:

"Don't make up crap."

Because you seem to do this alot, and when I prove you wrong (which I have), you later note that you have a reason to eat more (a good one, which I might add).


I just think the world would be alot better if we didn't eat meat OR didn't eat it at the amount we do now- it'd reduce water pollution from the livestock/global warming from the pollution from mainly sheep/cows, obescity, e-coli, clogged colon, etc etc.
Why would it be a better place? You do realise cows pump out alot of CO2? Again, you make up rubbish "/ And you clogged colon rubbish, is rubbish yet again as I proved with my beef example (which is/was the "unhealthy" meat) that it has very little fat in which can do the body harm and again, I repeat, your argument revolves around what the meat is cooked in, not what the meat has in.


Also you keep contradicting yourself: you keep saying that vegetarians are sickly and weak, then you go on to say that they get fat easier... ^_^
Pick out the contradiction please? You can be:

Fat and weak. Weak and sickly. Fat and healthy (as in, don't get ill). Healthy and weak etc etc.


Anyway, I was going to reply but your replies were so funny I thought I shoud commend you on giving me a laugh.
Laughing, the first sign of someone losing an argument. I bet you weren't actually laughing, being on this forum for this amount of time, I have come to know that loads of people use the excuse of laughing, to cover up posting replies to arguments, because they simply cannot find a problem with them and therefore over look them, like you have done so much in this argument, and I don't find it funny "/ I find it quite sad "/



You do know you can just get as many proteins from vegetables right? Also vegetables are lower in saturated fats (way lower) and high in fiber aswell as vitamins, hmmm ..
Urrrgh, you are very annoying to argue with, because you don't listen/read or remember anything in the argument.

Actually, you can't unless you eat a specific type of vegetable which has high protein. Other vegetables/fruit you have to guzzle down to get the same amounts.

Also, saturated fats aren't a problem in meat, as I used in the example, the recommended amount of saturated fats is about 20g, and in meat, you get about 1 or 2g maximum, in about 2ozs. "Don't make up crap."

Also, as I was going to state, but got lost in your stupid saturated fat argument, you seem to think if you eat meat, you only eat meat. Loads of people eat a variety of meat, vegetables and fruit. Does bread ring a bell? How about wholemeal? That has alot of fibre in and loads of people eat it, strangely enough people who eat meat too. "/


Oh and one last note:
This woman must be very ill and sickly being a vegetarian... right?

http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/-chinas-happy-vegetarian-turns-120-/2006/04/26/1610597.htm

(also in the guinness world records)

You see that's not hear say/not opinion it's fact.
Wow, you actually post something which is actually worth something!

But alas, you post information which is outside of this country, again "/ In china, they have different eating habits and way of life than here in Britain. So your "proof" isn't exactly a solid ground to claim knowledge on, because you are discussing around the grounds of another culture different to our own "/

Here are 2 ladies, Charlotte Hughes and Jessie Nicholls, they lived over 100 in the UK, and they apparently had a varied diet, of which included meat "/

At least my knowledge, facts and proof revolve around our culture :rolleyes:


Ive been vegetarian for over 10 years, I cant even remember what meat tastes like. There is a hell of alot less fat genrally in vegetables than meat so we are genrally lighter. If your really like the taste of meat that much you could eat quorn I hate the stuff but it tastes like meat but its much healthier.

Re-read what you wrote. You can't remember what meat tastes like yet you suggest quorn because it tastes like meat?

Also, it doesn't. It is tasteless, crunchy and gave me violent stomach pains. Why eat genetically modified fungus?

[@xP]

na am not a vegetarian

[Ezzie.]

Gomme , I really can't be bothered to waste energy on you for a long reply, because you'll say the same thing over again just arranged differently >_>

But anyway:

I didn't see the need to mention I was ill before? But you was insinuating that a vegetarian diet was unhealthy- it's proved the complete opposite for me thankyou very much.

"Urrrgh, you are very annoying to argue with, because you don't listen/read or remember anything in the argument."

Actually I read your views and some I have agreed with, I think the above could be said for you- I give you sufficicient evidence but you've given pathetic arguments such as "well they're from another country LOL so this is invalid", you seem to be showing slight racism..

You do know that the actual meat can harm you right? You keep revolving around what the meat is cooked in- yes that does have negatives, but it was the actual MEAT i was talking about.

You also keep saying that because cows are polluting that's why we eat them, exscuse me.. are you that thick? Factory farms keep processing animals every year for food- thus they give out tons of c02/methane/waste, if we had an average cow population that wasn't being overprocessed then they'd be giving off a hell of alot less..

You do know that the pollution caused by cows and sheep are greater than car/lorry pollution combined? It was in a report by the UN.


Here is a phrase for you to learn for homework:

"Don't make up crap."

"Because you seem to do this alot, and when I prove you wrong (which I have), you later note that you have a reason to eat more (a good one, which I might add)."

I don't think you've proven me wrong yet.. it's just self opinionated, none is actual facts, I've given you a few links, shown you reports to disprove that vegetarianism is unhealthy, given you a link to a 120 year old woman who lived on a vegetarian diet (yes she comes from another country- but still lives a vegetarian lifestyle- FROM BIRTH which I may add)

I also as I've said above, saw no reason to say about my illness, I don't exactly like spouting off, in itself is considerable evidence that eating vegetables has made me feel healthier- which it has.

I see you've missed my part when I said I didn't want to have a pointless conversation anymore?

You're basing most of your argument on self-made "facts" *cough* and self-opinions, a vegetarian lifestyle IS healthy, and CAN give health benefits.

End of.

[GommeInc]

Gomme , I really can't be bothered to waste energy on you for a long reply, because you'll say the same thing over again just arranged differently >_>
Because you fail to get it into your skull :rolleyes:


I didn't see the need to mention I was ill before? But you was insinuating that a vegetarian diet was unhealthy- it's proved the complete opposite for me thankyou very much.
Maybe because your illness requires you to not eat meat and that you have probably adapted to eat non-meat products. Besides, we could get into the stats with your body weight, age etc.


"Urrrgh, you are very annoying to argue with, because you don't listen/read or remember anything in the argument."

Actually I read your views and some I have agreed with, I think the above could be said for you- I give you sufficicient evidence but you've given pathetic arguments such as "well they're from another country LOL so this is invalid", you seem to be showing slight racism..
Your "sufficient evidence" is from another country. IF it was in this country, maybe I would bother reading it. Different countries report different statistics.

Also, race isn't vegetarianism. Stay with the argument.


You do know that the actual meat can harm you right? You keep revolving around what the meat is cooked in- yes that does have negatives, but it was the actual MEAT i was talking about.
It can't be, because you are saying it is full of fat, when in reality it isn't. And how can it harm you? Again, you never mention with fact or anything in this case "/


You also keep saying that because cows are polluting that's why we eat them, exscuse me.. are you that thick? Factory farms keep processing animals every year for food- thus they give out tons of c02/methane/waste, if we had an average cow population that wasn't being overprocessed then they'd be giving off a hell of alot less..
How do you know it is over processed? The meat that isn't eaten by humans is donated to Zoos and Bird/Owl Sanctuaries FACT, because my brother has worked for the nearby Zoo and Owl Sanctuary which gets meat:

Stanway Sainsbury's.
Marks Tey The Food Company.
Colchester Sainbury's.
Tiptree Co op

And hundreds of shops in Colchester.

Stonham Owl Sanctuary gets meat from local farms who give them chicks, mice, rats pheasant etc etc. And guess what, I am getting these facts from the UNITED KINGDOM, not from CHINA or the US.

You are probably revolving your argument around the US again for your idea of over-processed meat. Let them deal with their problems, while we deal with ours and our over-processed meat is alot less than over their in the US, and we deal with over-processed meat alot easier.


You do know that the pollution caused by cows and sheep are greater than car/lorry pollution combined? It was in a report by the UN.
Way to point out the obvious. And again, you are getting stats that do not 100% revolve around the UK.



Here is a phrase for you to learn for homework:

"Don't make up crap."

"Because you seem to do this alot, and when I prove you wrong (which I have), you later note that you have a reason to eat more (a good one, which I might add)."

I don't think you've proven me wrong yet.. it's just self opinionated, none is actual facts, I've given you a few links, shown you reports to disprove that vegetarianism is unhealthy, given you a link to a 120 year old woman who lived on a vegetarian diet (yes she comes from another country- but still lives a vegetarian lifestyle- FROM BIRTH which I may add)
I have proved you wrong with:

Meat being unhealthy - Your argument is with the eating habits of people, not the meat itself. You seem to hink large amounts of cooking oil is found in meat, when it is actually found in bottles for around a pound in Tescos.

My arguments are not self-opinionated, fool. I get my facts from websites and books that are UK based. Your evidence comes from other countries, where eating habits are different and in some way people way of digesting food and habits around and out of eating are different in other countries.


I also as I've said above, saw no reason to say about my illness, I don't exactly like spouting off, in itself is considerable evidence that eating vegetables has made me feel healthier- which it has.
So? You are a bit different to any other vegetarian. You can't eat meat, which I understand and it has made you healthy. BUT that doesn't mean the same for other vegetarians.


You're basing most of your argument on self-made "facts" *cough* and self-opinions, a vegetarian lifestyle IS healthy, and CAN give health benefits.
Most of my argument is on real facts and only a minor part of it is opinion. Stop trying to think you are winning by mentally deluding yourself into actually believing I am making it up.

And what I find extremely annoying is that you miss out most of my points because you are too "chicken" to even bother finding answer, because you simply can't. You have not once posted proper facts that are linked to the UK. Your proof comes from other countries which are different and VERY different in most cases, but because it is the only way you can fight back, you actually think it reflects the lifestyles of the UK.

Arguing with you is pointless, because you're too stubborn to believe the proper facts. Beef has little fats in, but you think it doesn't. You think vegetables digest quicker than meat, but it doesn't. We're more meant to eat meat, because our digestive tracks and even our teeth suggest that we do. It takes longer for celery to get digest and you can even look for further proof with something like eating grass, which can kill you, because it is extremely hard to digest.

[Lycan]

I really could not be bothered to read all of thoose.


it appears just another person with a meat based diet in denial about vegetarian facts.. all i can say is... go you...

from skim reading what i could see was true facts, and are you that much of a num skull to relise we import meat from america? ..... yeah we do... its cheap, its in bulk and its full of rubbish.......

i can only see the bottom paragraph <- fyi - meat can also kill you from digestion and cause liver failure... and no it doesn't take longer for celery to digest..... or grass....

you should really wikki your facts

[GommeInc]

I really could not be bothered to read all of thoose.


[quote]it appears just another person with a meat based diet in denial about vegetarian facts.. all i can say is... go you...
I don't eat just meat "/ No one does? I eat a selection of both, and I find it healthier than just vegetables. Better for the immune system, blood etc etc.


from skim reading what i could see was true facts, and are you that much of a num skull to relise we import meat from america? ..... yeah we do... its cheap, its in bulk and its full of rubbish.......
WRONG. We import most of it from Europe which is a lie in itself, because there is alot of meat in the UK that is from the UK. The only meat we import are the type of meat which takes ages to (can't think of the word... I'll use grow) grow on animals e.g. Turkey, which comes from Hungary.

Gets your facts right. Is it a common concept for vegetarians to make up false facts? Because that what it looks like to me "/ Maybe it is that delusion.


i can only see the bottom paragraph <- fyi - meat can also kill you from digestion and cause liver failure... and no it doesn't take longer for celery to digest..... or grass....
LOL liver problems?! I won't even comment on how stupid that is. Meat can kill you, on it's own and in large amounts, because you are not getting a wide variety of nutrients. A diet of both vegetables, fruit and meat is healthy and you get more nutrients in that sort of diet than just vegetarianism.

And yes grass does take longer to digest, because we cannot digest something which is basically a load of strong fibre strings "/


The appendix is present in many primates, and primarily (pun intended) used to aid in the digestion of cellulose. Located between the small and large intestines, the appendix and neighboring caecum slows down the body's digestive process. (For drawings of the structure in various mammals click (2)here.) The human appendix (commonly referred to as the vermiform appendix, although Mayr calls it the caecal appendix) has lost this cellulose-digesting ability. Dr. Douglas Theobald argues that while humans do consume some cellulose, the ability of the caecum and appendix to digest it is insignificant. Consequently, plants like grass cannot be digested by humans.

http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/sci_cult/evolit/s05/web1/bfremstad.html
http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/zoo00/zoo00837.htm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/prehistoric_life/human/human_evolution/food_for_thought1.shtml

The BBC link suggests our ancestors ate meat which made us intelligent beings which we are today.

And Ezzie. dear, here is a link for you:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/32218.stm

A link which provides proof for vegetarians being weaker:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/humanbody/truthaboutfood/best/martialveggies.shtml

Colin Jackson tried being a vegetarian and reported he felt weaker. He is a sprinter for Jamaica and Scotland.


you should really wikki your facts
I do, where some of my facts come from :rolleyes: It seems Wikipedia is causing conflicting arguments.

[Ezzie.]

Thanks for that Gomme, I think i'll just go bang my head against a wall, or maybe you should be doing that?

Your whole "get facts from the uk" argument is complete ********: we all live on this world, if one country gives barely any global warming whereas the other countries give 100 times the amount, should we ignore it and say "it's their own problem"? Idiotic argument there...

Overprocessed as in comparitive to a nature hunt+kill aspect instead of born+raised for slaughter+meat. Thus more c02 given out into the atmosphere, you also state that "it's not in the u.k too"- it's the u.n giving out the report of all the countries- yes the united kingdom is a country- quit with this "if it's not from the u.k it's not fact stupidity", as I've said, I've given you many facts about how healthy vegetarianism is: the reason I gave you an american report (the leading american dietry association) is because I couldn't find an English report.:O Meat is meat.

Also where did I say I can't eat meat? I can eat meat if I want too o.O I chose not to eat meat and feel better doing so health wise and ethically.

You also keep saying i'm talking about cooking oils? I haven't once mentioned cooking oils, yet you keep mentioning it. I'm talking about the actual FAT and CHOLESTEROL in meat.

Why, when I give a valid argument you point out that it's "just in another country", we all live on this world together: deal with it Though I understand your point on different cultures, when you say we're nothing like America: It's pretty laughable.

And , bless.. I knew you'd bring in teeth argument, we also have a brain you see, to make reasoning beyond what our teeth look like: you also know that our teeth are so odd that many people have to have dental correction to prevent problems in later life?

Also where are our teeth "suggested" to eat meat? If you're talking about the canines, they're for grasping and tearing, which can be used just as much in vegetables as meat? if you're talking about premolars then they're used for bursting and pressuring: such as fruit :o

You also say that we are designed to eat "more meat" yet you say you're an omnivore? ... *bangs head into wall*

Also I suggest you re-read my points as you keep putting words into my mouth: First you say I'm talking about how people cook their meat, secondly me saying meat is "full of fat" which if you re-read I said it wasn't "full of fat", plus I'd like to add you keep saying you're getting your facts from books and websites, care to link the websites, you know like I've done, it's easy to post a credible source and not actually posting the link.. Oh and not some random word processed website done by one person, an actual report made by a reputable scientific association/team, like the one I gave- coincidence? :O

Your argument on "eating grass" is truly the sign of a desperate argument, grass has barely any nutrients, and also for a humans tooth, could damage it or even wear the tooth away- it's also hard to chew and also hard to digest, ; humans basically aren't designed to eat it: where as animals like deer/cows etc are designed to eat it as you don't really see them climbing up trees for fruits ;)

[Ezzie.]

And Ezzie. dear, here is a link for you:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/32218.stm

A link which provides proof for vegetarians being weaker:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/humanbody/truthaboutfood/best/martialveggies.shtml

Colin Jackson tried being a vegetarian and reported he felt weaker. He is a sprinter for Jamaica and Scotland.
:o my love! you have posted links for once! Shame they suck.. well the last one anyway,but alas.

Okay first link: It states itself that a vegetarian lifestyle reduces the chance of heart problems..right? But if you eat dairy products as a vegetarian then you'll probably even out the meat disadvantages, thus evening out the chance of health problems, very good point, but.. what if they ate both meat and dairy? hmm? :rolleyes: Also I barely eat cheese/eggs and never drink milk anymore so does that make me more healthier?


Second article just made me laugh, it was a study of a handful of people- also "amateurs", how long did the experiment last for exactly? Did they see a dietitian, a nutritionist? did they do more physical exercise (the women) than they were used too- note the word "amateur"? Sorry.. but it has little credibility..

Oh! here's a list of a few athletes/high physically demanded people who are vegetarian:


Ridgely Abele
Winner of eight national championships in karate
Surya Bonaly
Olympic figure skating champion
Peter Burwash
Davis Cup winner and professional tennis star
Andreas Cahling
Swedish champion bodybuilder, Olympic gold medallist in the ski jump
Chris Campbell
Olympic wrestling champion
Nicky Cole
First woman to walk to the North Pole (must have been very weak to do that:()

Ruth Heidrich
Six-time Ironwoman, USA track and field Master's champion
Keith Holmes
World-champion middleweight boxer
Desmond Howard
Professional football star, Heisman trophy winner
Peter Hussing
European super heavy-weight boxing champion
Debbie Lawrence
World record holder, women's 5K racewalk
Sixto Linares
World record holder, 24-hour triathlon
Cheryl Marek and Estelle Gray
World record holders, cross-country tandem cycling
Ingra Manecki
World champion discus thrower
Bill Manetti
Power-lifting champion
Ben Matthews
U.S. Master's marathon champion
Dan Millman
World champion gymnast
Martina Navratilova
Champion tennis player
Paavo Nurmi
Long-distance runner, winner of nine Olympic medals and 20 world records
Bill Pearl
Four-time Mr. Universe
Bill Pickering
World record-holding swimmer
Stan Price
World weightlifting record holder, bench press
Murray Rose
Swimmer, winner of many Olympic gold medals and world records
Dave Scott
Six-time winner of the Ironman triathlon
Art Still
Buffalo Bills and Kansas City Chiefs MVP defensive end, Kansas City Chiefs Hall of Fame
Jane Wetzel
U.S. National marathon champion
Charlene Wong Williams
Olympic champion figure skater

[Browney]

Also where are our teeth "suggested" to eat meat? If you're talking about the canines, they're for grasping and tearing, which can be used just as much in vegetables as meat? if you're talking about premolars then they're used for bursting and pressuring: such as fruit :o


I think he said it because our teeth vary massively from an animal like a cow. Cows just have teeth for grinding grass and vegetables (like our molars). But if you look in a dog's mouth (a typically carnivore animal) you will see sharp teeth for tearing and ripping (Like our canines) which suggests we have adapted to a varied diet.


Your argument on "eating grass" is truly the sign of a desperate argument, grass has barely any nutrients, and also for a humans tooth, could damage it or even wear the tooth away- it's also hard to chew and also hard to digest, ; humans basically aren't designed to eat it: where as animals like deer/cows etc are designed to eat it as you don't really see them climbing up trees for fruits ;)

Although some scientists believe the appendix used to let humans eat grass but since we've stopped eating grass it's stopped working and is now useless (but painful :().

Forgive me for butting in. :D

[GommeInc]

[B][COLOR="Black"]Thanks for that Gomme, I think i'll just go bang my head against a wall, or maybe you should be doing that?
I think it is my time, you've done it so much that sense doesn't appeal to you.


Your whole "get facts from the uk" argument is complete ********: we all live on this world, if one country gives barely any global warming whereas the other countries give 100 times the amount, should we ignore it and say "it's their own problem"? Idiotic argument there...
Different countries report differemt statistics, therefore each country reports vary. We are talking about vegetarianism, not global warming. Get that into your thick skull and I will give you a biscuit. It is not idiotic in the least, you are merely saying that because you cannot pick out an argument in response "/


Overprocessed as in comparitive to a nature hunt+kill aspect instead of born+raised for slaughter+meat. Thus more c02 given out into the atmosphere, you also state that "it's not in the u.k too"- it's the u.n giving out the report of all the countries- yes the united kingdom is a country- quit with this "if it's not from the u.k it's not fact stupidity", as I've said, I've given you many facts about how healthy vegetarianism is: the reason I gave you an american report (the leading american dietry association) is because I couldn't find an English report.:O Meat is meat.
Different countries process their meat in a different way with different feeds. Naturally, not all countries have the same type of feed because they come from different countries, and it is against international law to transport meat, nuts, chocolate etc to other countries because they harvest diseases/illnesses which are different to the native country, which is where Lycans. made up fact is very wrong. I am of the opinion you don't like Zoos. Because over processed meat in the UK is very regularly donated to Zoos and Sanctuaries which are then given to animals. Without this, Zoos would have to spend alot more money buying in the meat and this can be very costly to a zoo. Also, why are you arguing about global warming? It's happening anyway and you won't be alive for the "major effects" (statistically).


Also where did I say I can't eat meat? I can eat meat if I want too o.O I chose not to eat meat and feel better doing so health wise and ethically.
You hint it regularly, saying it would be bad for your health making you drowsy.

"I have chronic fatigue syndrome/m.e= ate meat for 2 years of it and felt very bad."

So in context of "can't," eating meat would be like eating a very long term form of poison?


You also keep saying i'm talking about cooking oils? I haven't once mentioned cooking oils, yet you keep mentioning it. I'm talking about the actual FAT and CHOLESTEROL in meat.
But there is very little FAT and CHOLESTEROL as I proved you wrong ages ago when I gave you facts and figures of Braised Beef Steak. 4&#37; of your recommended intake of fat? That's not bad, but you seem to think it is. You also seem to be dodging my facts and claiming they are opinion. I must be good at making up facts :D Or you are pathetic and can't find an answer to it, which you have done.


Why, when I give a valid argument you point out that it's "just in another country", we all live on this world together: deal with it Though I understand your point on different cultures, when you say we're nothing like America: It's pretty laughable.
In terms of eating habits and how food is processed, we're very different. If you bothered pointing out UK facts, maybe they would meaning something, but basing your knowledge outside the barriers of UK knowledge and facts are not a good grounds for knowledge.


And , bless.. I knew you'd bring in teeth argument, we also have a brain you see, to make reasoning beyond what our teeth look like: you also know that our teeth are so odd that many people have to have dental correction to prevent problems in later life?
Our brain eats meat? Actually, that's a point. Meat is good for the mind as stated in one of the links I gave you. You seem to go off on a tangent and forget the centre premise. Our teeth strongly suggest we eat meat. Canines are for meat for example, but either a vegetarian clan which you believe in or you're in denial with the truth has led you to believe they're for vegetables. Cows, sheep etc all have molars and a few incisors. There is no biological basis that we shouldn't eat meat. We can and we will, end of. We can survive on a vegetarian diet, but we can also survive on a vegetable and meat diet, which you seem to over look and think I am talking about just eating meat "/


Also where are our teeth "suggested" to eat meat? If you're talking about the canines, they're for grasping and tearing
Which exist in all animals, very clever. BUT, it is where the teeth are placed. Cows have 2 canines and 2 incisors at the very front, while we have 4 insicors and 2 canines, which scientists reckon are for gripping on to prey and then tearing in all animals that eat meat, while in cows for example, it is just to grab and pull on or grabbing and grinding off which you cannot do with meat, because the gripping canines are located further back, so you have to rip or chew to cut bits off, unless you do the wise thing and take small mouthfuls at a time.


if you're talking about premolars then they're used for bursting and pressuring: such as fruit :o
And they can also be used for chewing meat :O


You also say that we are designed to eat "more meat" yet you say you're an omnivore? ... *bangs head into wall*
You dor ealise you're an idiot for saying this. "More meat" does not mean ONLY. So I am still an omnivore, fool.


Also I suggest you re-read my points as you keep putting words into my mouth: First you say I'm talking about how people cook their meat, secondly me saying meat is "full of fat" which if you re-read I said it wasn't "full of fat", plus I'd like to add you keep saying you're getting your facts from books and websites, care to link the websites, you know like I've done, it's easy to post a credible source and not actually posting the link..

So why make it easy to put words in your mouth? State texactly, not just partially. Maybe you would make a tad more sense, even with your mindless dribble on made-up facts that there is alot of fat in meat, when infact there is very little. As stated below:

http://www.txbeef.org/nutrition.php3#facts - Gives stats and figures on the amount of nutrition in meat.

I eat mainly sirloin and I believe it is the most popular type of beef? I'll have a look into it. It has very little fat and alot of nutrition in ranging from Zinc to Selenium.

And you hint meat is incredibly unhealthy, because you keep mentioning it has fat in. You agree that fat is good but then you go and disagree moments later. Make up your blooming mind please.


Oh and not some random word processed website done by one person, an actual report made by a reputable scientific association/team, like the one I gave- coincidence? :O
Coincidence in what? And why would someone make up facts if they are not part of a scientific associated or team? Their facts could come from them, but if it pleases your muddled up head :rolleyes:

http://www.txbeef.org/nutrition.php3
- Lists the nutritional values in beef.

http://eatchicken.com/nutrition/nutrition.cfm
- Compares chicken to other meat. Beef being the "unhealthiest," which it isn't :rolleyes:

http://www.nutrition.org.uk/home.asp?siteId=43&sectionId=593&parentSection=322&which=undefined
- I hope you are familiar with omega-3, which fish is at the top of the game with. If not, you're a fool to yourself.

http://www.hormel.com/templates/knowledge/knowledge.asp?catitemid=31&id=160
- Pork in comparison with other meats.

http://www.weightwatchers.co.uk/util/art/index_art.aspx?tabnum=1&art_id=22761
- Weight Watchers. Very popular weight loss associations.

And I stated a while ago, with a link, that the meat itself isn't at all fatty, but the fat in the meat is e.g. the white bits. Loads seem to cut this off, some keep it. With or without, it's not bad "/

And aload of websites talk about how Eskimos are healthy, living off meat along. Unless you suggest they grow beans outside and a few tomatoes?


Your argument on "eating grass" is truly the sign of a desperate argument, grass has barely any nutrients, and also for a humans tooth, could damage it or even wear the tooth away- it's also hard to chew and also hard to digest, ; humans basically aren't designed to eat it: where as animals like deer/cows etc are designed to eat it as you don't really see them climbing up trees for fruits ;)
The grass argument is an example, idiot. Compare grass to celery, very little nutrients and hard to digest. Compare with sweet corn, the outside is not digested. Apple skins, bean skins, oranges are useless other than the juice and a few tenders parts. Also, when did I strongly suggest that grass is an example which sums up all vegetables? While with meat, any part of it is digestable, which is why it is a good source for certain types of nutrition (obviously vitamins and minerals found in vegetables won't be found in meat) and it is probably why nutritionists suggest why you shouldn't eat it.

Also, cows/deer can wait till the fruit falls to the ground ;) Your logic and examples are terrible.


Second article just made me laugh, it was a study of a handful of people- also "amateurs", how long did the experiment last for exactly? Did they see a dietitian, a nutritionist? did they do more physical exercise (the women) than they were used too- note the word "amateur"? Sorry.. but it has little credibility..
So what if they are amateurs? The point still remains they could be active "9% longer" than the vegetarians? Stop trying to find a stupid reason to get out of the argument "/ It is obvious.

[Bef]

Na, i love bacon and sasauges and stuff to much!

[Virgin Mary]

ye i don't care what people who eat meat do though, but i don't see any nutritional advantages other than the constant "it HAZ PROTEEN!!!!!!!!" unless you consider seafood

[Susie Dent]

I like meat.

[Ezzie.]

Gomme, re-read my posts, you'll see me state many times of what I'm trying to put across to you, you give me links to the nutrition of beef/other eats yet I've already said that I know meat is nutritous but as I said it can have negative effects if taken in excess etc ;)

I see you've not mentioned about my list of "sickly-malnourished" athletes?

Also, you do know you can get omega 3 from non meat right? Flax/Hemp etc.

"Your logic and examples are terrible." I think your examples need to be better.. well basically you have no good examples.. You have links pointing to the nutrition of meat when I've already said meat is nutritous but can have bad points too.

I've kept this a short post because alas your thick skull can't seem to take in a high amount of information at once. Seriously, you keep calling me "idiot/idiotic/dense" etc, kind of shows you're failing to give a good argument and instead just start trying to insult me?

"So what if they are amateurs? The point still remains they could be active "9&#37; longer" than the vegetarians? Stop trying to find a stupid reason to get out of the argument"

It's you who seems to be continually avoiding some of my points with pathetic counter-arguments, I think you need to think outside of the box for once in your life and have some respect for others.

I'll still reply to this thread but I fail to see any reason to respond to anymore of your replies as they're just seeming to give bad counters and lame insults, so peace

[Jackk]

nope im not

[GommeInc]

Gomme, re-read my posts, you'll see me state many times of what I'm trying to put across to you, you give me links to the nutrition of beef/other eats yet I've already said that I know meat is nutritous but as I said it can have negative effects if taken in excess etc ;)

I see you've not mentioned about my list of "sickly-malnourished" athletes?

Also, you do know you can get omega 3 from non meat right? Flax/Hemp etc.

"Your logic and examples are terrible." I think your examples need to be better.. well basically you have no good examples.. You have links pointing to the nutrition of meat when I've already said meat is nutritous but can have bad points too.

I've kept this a short post because alas your thick skull can't seem to take in a high amount of information at once. Seriously, you keep calling me "idiot/idiotic/dense" etc, kind of shows you're failing to give a good argument and instead just start trying to insult me?

"So what if they are amateurs? The point still remains they could be active "9&#37; longer" than the vegetarians? Stop trying to find a stupid reason to get out of the argument"

It's you who seems to be continually avoiding some of my points with pathetic counter-arguments, I think you need to think outside of the box for once in your life and have some respect for others.

I'll still reply to this thread but I fail to see any reason to respond to anymore of your replies as they're just seeming to give bad counters and lame insults, so peace
So why are we arguing then as we have proved meat is healthy? Anything in excess in unhealthy, no doubt about that. And yes, I know you can get Omega 3 from other sources, but my argument is with meat, so fish is what I put across and you put across an example from your argument, then we compare. Nuts are a good source for Omega 3 aswell I think?

Also, you get out of my arguments with stupid counter arguments. You just did with the example of amateur athletes. So what if they are? They're human and I think using amateur athletes are better for testing, because they do not use exercise as a part of their day to day routine. Also, I ignored your list because I didn't notice it, I posted and went offline for food. But I shall reply now ;)

I can't list meat-eating athletes, because they do not say if they eat meat or not. Vegetarian athletes seem to praise the fact they don't eat meat, while the norm is eating meat in the athlete world. Maybe their good health is down to their diet, loads of vegetarians don't bother eating a proper diet of nuts, fruit and veg. Some go straight to the baked goods like cake and take little consideration into a proper diet, which atheletes have been told to do or have simply research.

I don't respect people who aren't in-touch reality. You only agree that meat is nutritious because I have proved it to be. The only obvious thing you've agreed to is excess meat in a diet, which goes with pretty much anything in this planet "/ You thought meat had alot of fats in, yet it doesn't, and you have wormed your way out of that argument by ignoring it.

This quote from page 16 for example:

"You do know that the actual meat can harm you right? You keep revolving around what the meat is cooked in- yes that does have negatives, but it was the actual MEAT i was talking about."

You believe meat had fats in and you suggested it has more than a daily intake. If you didn't, you would simply not of commented on it "/

Btw, your examples are terrible. High amounts of fat in meat? Ha. Go argue about the olive oil/sunflower oil and any other type of cooking oil, not the meat. Granted, this is in response to your latter arguments.

[Ezzie.]

I have never said that meat is not nutritous, I ate meat for 14 years of my life, well 10 if you class toddler age etc- what I'm trying to say is basically you can get the equal amount of nutrients from vegetables and also avoid certain health risks- OR lowered health risks (refer to the ADA report- although it's American it gives a pretty good report)

Also, about the amateur athletes- they said they felt sluggish on a vegetarian diet- they were doing more physical exercise than the norm- thus they would naturally feel sluggish? :S

[Lycan]

FINALLY

today i saw the first news coverage relating to the mars adding meat.

how else were people to be warned until now, i only found out from forums ... atleast people should now know.

Channel 4 News ;)

and if you look in the shops Bestbefore is now nov meaning that it could contain the whey element

[Ezzie.]

FINALLY

today i saw the first news coverage relating to the mars adding meat.

how else were people to be warned until now, i only found out from forums ... atleast people should now know.

Channel 4 News ;)

and if you look in the shops Bestbefore is now nov meaning that it could contain the whey element

Looks like it's final then :(

[GommeInc]

I have never said that meat is not nutritous, I ate meat for 14 years of my life, well 10 if you class toddler age etc- what I'm trying to say is basically you can get the equal amount of nutrients from vegetables and also avoid certain health risks- OR lowered health risks (refer to the ADA report- although it's American it gives a pretty good report)
You were commenting about the saturated fats in meat, as far as I am aware? Obviously an all meat diet would be... Odd... I don't even think there is anyone who is alive and has eaten just meat for a year? With the sources I gave, it suggested that meat doesn't give a health risk, as long as it is cooked properly and you don't guzzle down tons of it. 3oz which has 24&#37; of a recommended intake would do, maybe you can try going up 6oz, but eating that meat would be boring and there would be no variety. Maybe a ham sandwich at lunch and a roast dinner later, but not the same amount of meat, twice a day.

I think this is like the argument against religion, there is not a proper answer and there will always be conflicting arguments concerning it.


Also, about the amateur athletes- they said they felt sluggish on a vegetarian diet- they were doing more physical exercise than the norm- thus they would naturally feel sluggish? :S
Lol, that's a good point. It seems more likely that than if they felt more sluggish than usual when doing exercise. I think it depends on what sort of person you are. If you make a living or generally like running and sports, a vegetarian diet which includes slow release foods is probably best for you. But it depends on what you call a sporty life style. Running would have a need for a vegetarian diet while something like kick boxing has a need for a meat incl. diet.

Also, you're the only one with an illness, I have been told to have a diet of meat, vegetables and fruit because my immune system is slightly lacking in existence. I was told to eat curly cale, which is disgusting and I would much prefer to eat beef etc than that lol :P

At the Mars argument

I still don't understand why they need whey...

[Ezzie.]

I think this is like the argument against religion, there is not a proper answer and there will always be conflicting arguments concerning it.

Nail on head :D



Lol, that's a good point. It seems more likely that than if they felt more sluggish than usual when doing exercise. I think it depends on what sort of person you are. If you make a living or generally like running and sports, a vegetarian diet which includes slow release foods is probably best for you. But it depends on what you call a sporty life style. Running would have a need for a vegetarian diet while something like kick boxing has a need for a meat incl. diet.

I think an omnivorous or a herbivorous diet are good for all exercise, with an omnivorous you have the meat to pack a punch in nutrients- but with vegetables, especially carbs you have a lot of slow releasing energy and I believe in some vegetables there's like a "wake up" factor to them? not too sure on that though


Also, you're the only one with an illness, I have been told to have a diet of meat, vegetables and fruit because my immune system is slightly lacking in existence. I was told to eat curly cale, which is disgusting and I would much prefer to eat beef etc than that lol :P

My illness affects everything :rolleyes: Immunity, zero energy, muscle spasms- it's fun :eusa_wall But alas, being vegetarian has seemed to improve my symptoms a little, probably because I'm taking more vitamins etc, *shrug* not entirely sure, just guess it's detoxed me or something or other :P


At the Mars argument

I still don't understand why they need whey...

Meh, I don't know either- it's stupid to be honest- they're limiting their range of buyers :S Plus it's kind of gross to be using the stomach lining of new born calves too. :S But meh :@

[GommeInc]

Nail on head :D
I vote we start a random argument on religion next :P





I think an omnivorous or a herbivorous diet are good for all exercise, with an omnivorous you have the meat to pack a punch in nutrients- but with vegetables, especially carbs you have a lot of slow releasing energy and I believe in some vegetables there's like a "wake up" factor to them? not too sure on that though
Hmm, not sure on the "wake up" factor, it depends what fruit would have alot of sugar in really. But fruit and vegetables definitely have a slow release factor which can keep you wake. Meat gives a boost like Red Bull or a vitamin tablet, which maybe why nutritionists suggest not to eat alot, mainly red meat I think though, chicken is ok.


My illness affects everything :rolleyes: Immunity, zero energy, muscle spasms- it's fun :eusa_wall But alas, being vegetarian has seemed to improve my symptoms a little, probably because I'm taking more vitamins etc, *shrug* not entirely sure, just guess it's detoxed me or something or other :P
Sounds... joyful... Vegetables seem to have a certain effect, but my mind is crowded with a philosophy essay at the moment which makes it hard to think what that something is :P I eat loads of vegetables myself, my favourites are sweetcorn, baby corn, carrots... Loads really :P Raws good too.

But I like the taste of meat and I find it ok when cooked right. I have issues with meat from other places that I or my family haven't prepared. Most the time it is fatty. Although Burger King's burgers aren't very fatty come to think of it, they are flame grilled so it drips off leaving just the moistness from the remaining liquids. Not very nice to eat alot though :P


Meh, I don't know either- it's stupid to be honest- they're limiting their range of buyers :S Plus it's kind of gross to be using the stomach lining of new born calves too. :S But meh :@
It is all very odd. I'm sure ingredients for chocolate and other factors of Mars products are not that expensive, they're quite a big company? Where is the whey used? I might have to experiment with an old packet of malteasers and and a new one, which has the new ingredient, just to see if there is a difference. Hopefully it won't be like what Walkers did with sunseed oil, it makes the crisps taste like cardboard, but I've gotten used to it now, so I won't fuss :P

[Ezzie.]

I vote we start a random argument on religion next :P

MY GODS BETTER THAN URS!!!!!!1






Hmm, not sure on the "wake up" factor, it depends what fruit would have alot of sugar in really. But fruit and vegetables definitely have a slow release factor which can keep you wake. Meat gives a boost like Red Bull or a vitamin tablet, which maybe why nutritionists suggest not to eat alot, mainly red meat I think though, chicken is ok.I suppose that could be why people who eat meat have a higher obesity rate? Quick energy= wanting to eat more, where as vegetables= slow but continuous energy?





Sounds... joyful... Vegetables seem to have a certain effect, but my mind is crowded with a philosophy essay at the moment which makes it hard to think what that something is :P I eat loads of vegetables myself, my favourites are sweetcorn, baby corn, carrots... Loads really :P Raws good too.Raw sweetcorn mm... I just had a 3 course meal for a birthday celebration- Vegetable salad-Vegetable Fajitas = yum :P


But I like the taste of meat and I find it ok when cooked right. I have issues with meat from other places that I or my family haven't prepared. Most the time it is fatty. Although Burger King's burgers aren't very fatty come to think of it, they are flame grilled so it drips off leaving just the moistness from the remaining liquids. Not very nice to eat alot though :PYeah if you like meat and you cook it right so you don't have it dripping in fat then fair to you, what gets me is people who just eat such fatty foods >_>



It is all very odd. I'm sure ingredients for chocolate and other factors of Mars products are not that expensive, they're quite a big company? Where is the whey used? I might have to experiment with an old packet of malteasers and and a new one, which has the new ingredient, just to see if there is a difference. Hopefully it won't be like what Walkers did with sunseed oil, it makes the crisps taste like cardboard, but I've gotten used to it now, so I won't fuss :PI'm not exactly sure where the whey's used.. might be mixed in with the milk to solidify it more? very annoying to be honest why they changed it from fungus derived to animal derived :eusa_wall

Off topic: I just shaved for this first time! :rolleyes: could've done it like 6 months ago but im too lazy :D And I didn't slit my jugular so I'm quite happy :P

[GommeInc]

MY GODS BETTER THAN URS!!!!!!1
Na-uh, my God has wings and looks like Dame Judi Dench!!!!!






I suppose that could be why people who eat meat have a higher obesity rate? Quick energy= wanting to eat more, where as vegetables= slow but continuous energy?
Could be, but it depends on the person. Some people who are obese (or think they are) go to vegetarianism thinking eating lots of vegetables would make them healthier, when as you say being slow release means it stays in your body for a tad longer, so they are larger for some time. Not obese, but just large where the food sits in their stomach.




Raw sweetcorn mm... I just had a 3 course meal for a birthday celebration- Vegetable salad-Vegetable Fajitas = yum :P
Hmmm, maybe I should of separated the idea of raw vegetables and sweetcorn wider. Raw sweetcorn is... Yucky.. :P Birthday celebration? Was it yours? I've not tried vegetables fajitas, but it depends what you have in them. Some vegetables I have issues with, like large amounts of pepper and chunks of tomato. I had an oven cooked Pizza Express Pizza. Very yummy.


Yeah if you like meat and you cook it right so you don't have it dripping in fat then fair to you, what gets me is people who just eat such fatty foods >_>
I find it covers up flavour, although I am guilty of making bacon a tad bit greasy. Bacon is tricky to cook, it can stick to a pan very easily so oil is needed to stop it doing that. Sainsbury's sirloin beef steak, lovely texture and amazing flavour and quite low in fat.


I'm not exactly sure where the whey's used.. might be mixed in with the milk to solidify it more? very annoying to be honest why they changed it from fungus derived to animal derived :eusa_wall
Would the solidification of milk or chocolate really be an issue? It has to be something very good to use whey... But I cannot think of one good reason...


Off topic: I just shaved for this first time! :rolleyes: could've done it like 6 months ago but im too lazy :D And I didn't slit my jugular so I'm quite happy :P
Shaving is a horrible task, I let it grow for about a week and a half then bother cutting it. I had an electric shaver, but it wasn't smooth enough, so I used wet shaving which is the one with foam, it's good, but you can easily cut yourself if you push a bit too hard or don't put enough foam on areas which mean they basic get caught in the blades.

[Ezzie.]

Na-uh, my God has wings and looks like Dame Judi Dench!!!!!

Alas my God is Jimi Hendrix- So ;)







Could be, but it depends on the person. Some people who are obese (or think they are) go to vegetarianism thinking eating lots of vegetables would make them healthier, when as you say being slow release means it stays in your body for a tad longer, so they are larger for some time. Not obese, but just large where the food sits in their stomach.

Yeap, I have to admit I was abit podgy, doc says it was "puppy fat", some kind of thing where you produce too much reserves in puberty or something.. thank GOD it's finishing :rolleyes: I eat incredibly healthy so it's annoying to have a little bit of fat but ah well, it's nearly gone now :P

What annoys me is you see those 30 stone vegetarians :D It's obvious they're in denial that they're pigs, but blah:$





Hmmm, maybe I should of separated the idea of raw vegetables and sweetcorn wider. Raw sweetcorn is... Yucky.. :P Birthday celebration? Was it yours? I've not tried vegetables fajitas, but it depends what you have in them. Some vegetables I have issues with, like large amounts of pepper and chunks of tomato. I had an oven cooked Pizza Express Pizza. Very yummy.

Sweetcorn off the cob or out of a tin raw!= lushness! And it was a cousins (kind of an adopted cousin :P) birthday, so bit of the family had a celebration, was incredibly nice meal.. *stops drooling*

Haha yeah, gotta love takeaway pizza <3



I find it covers up flavour, although I am guilty of making bacon a tad bit greasy. Bacon is tricky to cook, it can stick to a pan very easily so oil is needed to stop it doing that. Sainsbury's sirloin beef steak, lovely texture and amazing flavour and quite low in fat.

heh yeah, I remember before I went veggie, used to be a pub near us that made very nice steak, you could tell it was from a local farm- good quality :P



Would the solidification of milk or chocolate really be an issue? It has to be something very good to use whey... But I cannot think of one good reason...

I'm pretty sure it's for the solidification of the milk or it's made to like mimic a range of flavours- thus saving money *shrug*



Shaving is a horrible task, I let it grow for about a week and a half then bother cutting it. I had an electric shaver, but it wasn't smooth enough, so I used wet shaving which is the one with foam, it's good, but you can easily cut yourself if you push a bit too hard or don't put enough foam on areas which mean they basic get caught in the blades.

Ah, I did it without any help from anybody else, didn't cut myself once! I got the cream up my nose though.. that hurt:(:P

[GommeInc]

Alas my God is Jimi Hendrix- So ;)
Swine... Mine has won awards, and says rude words in a posh accent :D


Yeap, I have to admit I was abit podgy, doc says it was "puppy fat", some kind of thing where you produce too much reserves in puberty or something.. thank GOD it's finishing :rolleyes: I eat incredibly healthy so it's annoying to have a little bit of fat but ah well, it's nearly gone now :P
Hmmm, my older brother had something like this. He was a bit large and he got thin. But he never went to see a doctor. He is alot healthier now though, bit bulky, but I think that might be muscle with all the work he does. I can eat loads and it doesn't effect me :D


What annoys me is you see those 30 stone vegetarians :D It's obvious they're in denial that they're pigs, but blah:$
Indeed, they need to learn what goes in doesn't disappear or change mass. Same happens with any diet. Although I'm not sure about vegans... The diet kinda confuses me.


Sweetcorn off the cob or out of a tin raw!= lushness! And it was a cousins (kind of an adopted cousin :P) birthday, so bit of the family had a celebration, was incredibly nice meal.. *stops drooling*

Haha yeah, gotta love takeaway pizza <3

I've never liked the taste of un-cooked sweetcorn, ever since I had it at my aunties mum and dads house, it scared me. It's a weird flavour that reminds me of watered down wine in a way. Although I can eat cold sweetcorn in a sandwich with chicken and mayonnaise. It hides the tastes and adds texture :D

This was one you can buy, it's a margherita which uses cubes of cheeses rather than grated. Lovely :P


heh yeah, I remember before I went veggie, used to be a pub near us that made very nice steak, you could tell it was from a local farm- good quality :P
Restaurants and pubs get the best kind of meat. Nearby is a pub which has a carvery which has a great selection of meat and the taste is great. The turkey comes from a farm about 4 miles away, not sure about the other meats.


I'm pretty sure it's for the solidification of the milk or it's made to like mimic a range of flavours- thus saving money *shrug*
Hmmm, not heard of that before. It can't save alot of money if a huge chunk of customers is being cut out. Telling my vegetarian friends didn't go down well either :P


Ah, I did it without any help from anybody else, didn't cut myself once! I got the cream up my nose though.. that hurt:(:P
Wait till you get it in your eyes or ears, you'll have fun with that ;)

[Energizer]

I aint one, but I don't eat lamb and pork cuz i don't like it.