The ione Gifts [Discussion]

[-:Undertaker:-]

Thread closed: The ione gifts are staying in the normal rares category.
A few days ago in the Rare Values Forum DawnOfAaron made a thread saying when were the ione gifts given out, so people answered how they were given out and when, then Aaron said "well shouldn't they be supers" and he is right.

Habbox have had the Thrones, Samovars and Holopods in the wrong section for years, they ARE supers.

Some of you may say "There not supers because they are low in value", well this isn't the case, the Red Knot Poster was once a super and was 0.8 CS, A super can be ANY Price.

For all we know, if Habbox would of classed the ione gifts as supers years ago, Samovars couldve been 15 CS now but have suffered because many people think they are just common normal rares.

I want your opinions on this, Thrones can't get damaged in value if they move to the supers page were they belong, and it will be easier for rare traders to see thr Thrones value if it's on supers as it's the main currency for super rares. - CA have their Throne on their supers page.

sierk says that he doesn't class them as supers because there were LOTS of ione gifts given out. I don't think that's the case, does that mean the dino/gold amber should be a Normal Rare instead of the Strobe because there are less strobes? no it doesn't, it matters on how they are given into the public.

So what are all your opinions on this?, do you think Habbox should correct the ione gifts and move them to were they should of been 2 years ago?

Discuss and ask questions!




The Throne, Holopod and Russian Samovar were the first non seasonal rares ever. They came into the hotel around May/June 2002, when every habbo received a gift and 5 free credits because of ione (the Hotel Manager at that time) her birthday. The gift contained one of these three furni. Because there were so many of them, they weren't worth much in the beginning, but especially the value of the Throne has gone up spectacularly. In sierk's museum you can see two of these gifts that have remained unopened, on the right you can see what the label says.

[Kardan]

A super in my opinion is somethat that has not been released in the catalogue.

So Ione's gifts are supers.

[Kieeran]

Doesnt habbox quote something like ' super rares are rares which have never been released in the catalogue. I agree with you.

[-:Undertaker:-]

ione gifts haven't been in the catalogue.

[Nixt]

I would agree that they are super rares, as I believe it is generally accepted that if something has been released in the catalogue (not accidentally released) then they are super rares?

[jackass]

I agree with sierk, as I already said. Yes, its true, they weren't released in the catalouge. BUT, they weren't spawned by habbo staff or given out individually, they were mass given out in a present. So if everyone had them in that time, it can't be classed as a super. I think you we should make a 'Past rares section' where things like those gifts, limited time special things and stuff goes. :)

[-:Undertaker:-]

I agree with sierk, as I already said. Yes, its true, they weren't released in the catalouge. BUT, they weren't spawned by habbo staff or given out individually, they were mass given out in a present. So if everyone had them in that time, it can't be classed as a super. I think you we should make a 'Past rares section' where things like those gifts, limited time special things and stuff goes. :)


20 Purple ICM's were given out all at the same time.

[jackass]

20 Purple ICM's were given out all at the same time.

Thats completely differant to what I just said. Not everyone had purple ICM's did they? No.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Thats completely differant to what I just said. Not everyone had purple ICM's did they? No.


It doesn't matter, just because there are so many of something doesn't mean they aren't a super.

[Kardan]

Thats completely differant to what I just said. Not everyone had purple ICM's did they? No.

Not everyone got a gift, only those that were online within that month I believe.

And quantity has nothing to do with a price.

There are more Thrones then Green Pillows but Thrones are worth more, because they're more in demand

[Charlie]

Well, i guess you've got a point there. They weren't really realised in the cat, and they were given out at one time, which meant only a few people got them. So, i guess they could be counted as super rares, and if they were, i think the value of them would rise alot, wouldn't do much damage to them really would it?

[jackass]

Not everyone got a gift, only those that were online within that month I believe.

And quantity has nothing to do with a price.

They're must Thrones then Green Pillows but Thrones are worth more, because they're more in demand

Well first off, I never said anything about prices to quantity. And to my knowledge everyone got one that was registered, but if you are correct, then thats changed my opinion about where they should be.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Well, i guess you've got a point there. They weren't really realised in the cat, and they were given out at one time, which meant only a few people got them. So, i guess they could be counted as super rares, and if they were, i think the value of them would rise alot, wouldn't do much damage to them really would it?

Nope it wouldn't do any damage at all :)


Well first off, I never said anything about prices to quantity. And to my knowledge everyone got one that was registered, but if you are correct, then thats changed my opinion about where they should be.

Yes it was everyone who was online in that month or something.

[jackass]

Okay then, I have changed my mind, it SHOULD be a super rare.

[Immenseman]

Yeah I also agree these should be a super rare seeing as they have never been released into the cat which would class them as a super rare, but I can also see why people think they should stay as normal because they've been a normal rare all this time so why change now. Anyway they are a super rare by right so they should be changed.

[Niall!]

:rolleyes: It is a super rare as it has never appeared in the catalogue
Habbox should change this ASAP
I always thought that so yeah change it

[BL!NKEY]

I have thought about this and still think they should stay in the regular section.

They have been there forever and their value would change if they were moved.

Maybe at the begining they should have been supers but now that they have been in the regular rare section they should stay.

Samovars ect. would go up and habbox would have to raise the value when they are in the super sectoin.

People would backlash against habbox and say they changed the value of the rares because they moved it into supers.

But it looks like most people want it in super section so I am off to buy up all the samovars and holoboys as I can before they go up.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Also the people who disagree, please post as your vote doesn't really matter if you can't back up what you are saying :)

EDIT: Blinkey, I think the majority of Habbo public will be happy if they are moved as they could gain a few CS's or two if people started going on a spending spree.

[Hurts]

Yes i think they should be in super rares :)

[BL!NKEY]

EDIT: Blinkey, I think the majority of Habbo public will be happy if they are moved as they could gain a few CS's or two if people started going on a spending spree.

I agree that a lot of people will be happy.

But there is always going to be the people who start to say that Habbox makes up values and they control the rare market.

In this case it would kind of be true.

Not like changing values to wrong trading prices but being able to manipulate the habbo public.




Personally I dont care, I just wanted to share a thought that might effect you because you are the one who people scream about habbox making rare values to.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I agree that a lot of people will be happy.

But there is always going to be the people who start to say that Habbox makes up values and they control the rare market.

In this case it would kind of be true.

Not like changing values to wrong trading prices but being able to manipulate the habbo public.




Personally I dont care, I just wanted to share a thought that might effect you because you are the one who people scream about habbox making rare values to.


If we do move them, I will do a article and perhaps ask 8Freak8 is I could do a article on the front page explaining.

Green Pillows and Strobes have shot up before and there was no fuss, I don't think these will cause fuss aswell.

Also we're notmanipulating the public as I haven't got a stock of Thrones, Samovars or holopods and i'm not planning on buying any either :)

[Energizer]

i think they should be supers tbh

[-:Undertaker:-]

Ok so that's 13 FOR and 4 AGAINST, yet all the against people (Except Blinkey) haven't explained why they shouldn't move?

[Naythi.]

I agree :D

This should be a super rare as the Red Laser Gate was a super rare from Ukash Deal , , , And the White roller was given out by staff
So that makes it super rare

So throne , Holopod and samovar should be super rare as they are gifts from habbo
So they havnt been in the catalouge !
Habbox Tut Tut Lol

Think You should move them too the Super rares section before more threads start to appear about this .


Even if these were given out as presants , They still havnt been in catalouge , so you cant class them as Super rares i think habbox is going DOWN Hill , , , and many fansites are gettin more popular now !

[brandon]

Normals for me, just cause it wouldn't seem right..

[lSander]

-:undertaker:- made this thread, so he can see, the oppinion, lols :D

[Uber-Jason]

i think that they should stay as normal rares as it would cause them to be traded for more and more and it could cause the noobs that argue habbox fixes the market to go on even more and it might just not be worth the fuss but if this wouldnt happen i would agree

[-:Undertaker:-]

i think that they should stay as normal rares as it would cause them to be traded for more and more and it could cause the noobs that argue habbox fixes the market to go on even more and it might just not be worth the fuss but if this wouldnt happen i would agree


Green Pillows and Strobe Solariums shot up and their wasn't uproar about them.

[Uber-Jason]

Originally Posted by -:undertaker:- http://www.habboxforum.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?p=3227579#post3227579)
Green Pillows and Strobe Solariums shot up and their wasn't uproar about them.


but they were released

[DaWnOfAaRoN]

Yeah they should be supers, they avnt been in rare section in the catalouge, it might be fair to say samovas are as rare as dinos :s

[Axel]

I think Thrones should definately be in super rares, and if they are, the samovar and holopod might as well go with it.

[Naythi.]

Hmmm what do you mean NOOBS ?

They wouldnt be able to argue with anything , , , As

THEY HAVNT EVER EVER EVER BEEN IN THE CATALOUGE !
THIS MAKES IT A SUPER RARE , NOT A NORMAL RARE LIKE THE SLEEPING BAGS !

So realy , You should change the throne and holoboy and samovar because it doesnt seem fair realy :D , , , If they were in the right section maybe they would be more valuble !

[-:Undertaker:-]

Exactly as nayc said, they could of been higher now but it's because of a wrong decision around 2 years ago that they haven't gone up.

They are supers, although it may seem strange, and as DawnOfAaron said, it's fair to say that Samovars are as rare as Dino's.

[Chease]

Not everyone got the gifts. Only people who had been on in the past 31 days.

[Naythi.]

I actualy see more dinos than Samovars :D

So yeah , , , Rare value reporters go get puttin the holoboys and Thrones and samovars into the super rares section !

I think its only fair other wise why have you got any super rares there , ? because its not fair to give one rare special rites but not for the next rare

IT DOESNT MATTER IF YOU DIDNT GET THE GIFT ! IT STILL NEVER WENT OUT INTO THE CATALOUGE NO MATTER WHAT THIS IS A ** SUPER RARE **

[Uber-Jason]

well if they have been in the wrong section that long why not just leave them there

[Hurts]

I think they should be moved as they haven't been on sale, if they are moved they will rise.. which TBH it would be nice to see the Holoboy and Sam have some glory lol.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I actualy see more dinos than Samovars :D

So yeah , , , Rare value reporters go get puttin the holoboys and Thrones and samovars into the super rares section !

I think its only fair other wise why have you got any super rares there , ? because its not fair to give one rare special rites but not for the next rare

Thing is, I can't until I convince sierk, and I agree, you can't give speacial exceptions to certain rares otherwise there would be no point in having different pages.


well if they have been in the wrong section that long why not just leave them there

Because they are in the wrong section, the whole point of moving them is because they are in the wrong section, most habbo's know Habbox is wrong having the ione gifts in normals.

[Naythi.]

Well You Have My 110% That These Are Supers :D

Haha , , , I have 3 Holoboys and 1 samovar so Whooooo wooooo Lol if they do mve !

[Uber-Jason]

ok i changed my mind would be good to move them then green pillow would be top dog and it would bring the samovar and holoboy to glory and yeah it would be good

[-:Undertaker:-]

Ok so that's bio and Gravsie to yes, so it's

YES: 21 Votes
NO: 6 Votes

[DaBears]

theres no point in changing who cares

[-:Undertaker:-]

theres no point in changing who cares


There is because they are in wrong section.

[Jin]

I really dont see why a super rare should be something based on whether its been released or not.

My point is I take the term "Super Rare" in a literal sense,

Meaning "an item that is greatly uncommon" (and therefore a large value because of its little numbers)

Yes Ione's gifts where never (intentionally) released but through competitions and Habbo Staff's ability to bring all items into the hotel their abundance has increased to the point the main currency of Habbo Rares are Club Sofa's and Thrones.

My view of a definition of a Super Rare would be an item that has a high value BECAUSE of its A) Popularity and B) Lack of Abundance

Both of these variables.

Plus if it were moved to super rares I could forsee a huge increase in so called "super rare" casino's where new users trade most of what they have for 1 throne or 3 Samovars and class themselves as super rare traders.

I would have thought a new catagory called "Unreleased Rares" in the rare watch would be more ideal as we already have "Catalogue Rares".


The only reason why super rares are "SUPER RARES" is because they were never released and were only given out as part of this competition or that event or there was that catalogue mishap that lead to an increase in numbers. HOWEVER, If the Hotel Manager decided that Everyone in the hotel should recieve one of the small habbo trophies and its value plumetted to 0.5cs would you want people paying with it at YOUR super rare casino should it still be considered a Super rare as its value is now very low and every member (of which there are 70 million of) had one? Preety much as common as the rubber duck.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I really dont see why a super rare should be something based on whether its been released or not.

My point is I take the term "Super Rare" in a literal sense,

Meaning "an item that is greatly uncommon" (and therefore a large value because of its little numbers)

Yes Ione's gifts where never (intentionally) released but through competitions and Habbo Staff's ability to bring all items into the hotel their abundance has increased to the point the main currency of Habbo Rares are Club Sofa's and Thrones.

My view of a definition of a Super Rare would be an item that has a high value BECAUSE of its A) Popularity and B) Lack of Abundance

Both of these variables.

Plus if it were moved to super rares I could forsee a huge increase in so called "super rare" casino's where new users trade most of what they have for 1 throne or 3 Samovars and class themselves as super rare traders.

I would have thought a new catagory called "Unreleased Rares" in the rare watch would be more ideal as we already have "Catalogue Rares"


Unreleased rares ARE supers.

[BL!NKEY]

<snip>


That is a really good point.

Maybe just change the desciption of a super rare to a rare that is greatly uncommon and usualy not released.

Maybe things like the solarium could be moved to super rares.

+rep

[-:Undertaker:-]

That is a really good point.

Maybe just change the desciption of a super rare to a rare that is greatly uncommon and usualy not released.

Maybe things like the solarium could be moved to super rares.

+rep


Where do you draw the line?

You can't draw the line because their will be arguements.

Our hotel is changing, supers are changing, years back no one could imagine the dino being 3T but look at it today.

Public Poll on Habbox me thinks.

[benjamin]

Supers imo.

[Jin]

Unreleased rares ARE supers.
Not by the terms of what I define a Super rare to be in my mind,

the Throne, Holoboy and Samovar were never released but there are still loads of them around and their values are incredibly low compared to the REAL super rares.

What you define a super rare to be is a unreleased rare but then it cant really be a super rare then otherwise that would then include Ione's gift which arent very rare, infact I wouldnt consider them more than a normal rare at all.

(btw I added to the previous post so please review :) )

[-:Undertaker:-]

I really dont see why a super rare should be something based on whether its been released or not.

My point is I take the term "Super Rare" in a literal sense,

Meaning "an item that is greatly uncommon" (and therefore a large value because of its little numbers)

Yes Ione's gifts where never (intentionally) released but through competitions and Habbo Staff's ability to bring all items into the hotel their abundance has increased to the point the main currency of Habbo Rares are Club Sofa's and Thrones.

My view of a definition of a Super Rare would be an item that has a high value BECAUSE of its A) Popularity and B) Lack of Abundance

Both of these variables.

Plus if it were moved to super rares I could forsee a huge increase in so called "super rare" casino's where new users trade most of what they have for 1 throne or 3 Samovars and class themselves as super rare traders.

I would have thought a new catagory called "Unreleased Rares" in the rare watch would be more ideal as we already have "Catalogue Rares".


The only reason why super rares are "SUPER RARES" is because they were never released and were only given out as part of this competition or that event or there was that catalogue mishap that lead to an increase in numbers. HOWEVER, If the Hotel Manager decided that Everyone in the hotel should recieve one of the small habbo trophies and its value plumetted to 0.5cs would you want people paying with it at YOUR super rare casino should it still be considered a Super rare as its value is now very low and every member (of which there are 70 million of) had one? Preety much as common as the rubber duck.

If the trophies were never in the catalogue and just given out and went to 0.5 CS then they would still be supers.


Not by the terms of what I define a Super rare to be in my mind,

the Throne, Holoboy and Samovar were never released but there are still loads of them around and their values are incredibly low compared to the REAL super rares.

What you define a super rare to be is a unreleased rare but then it cant really be a super rare then otherwise that would then include Ione's gift which arent very rare, infact I wouldnt consider them more than a normal rare at all.

(btw I added to the previous post so please review :) )

ione's gifts are quite rare, they are supers as they've never been in the catalogue.

If 1 Pink Smoke was released in the catalogue on purpose and only 1 was sold then it would still be a Normal Rare.

[BL!NKEY]

]Public Poll on Habbox me thinks.

I guess that would work.

Choices:

Move ione gifts to supers
Leave it how it is
Change the deff of supers to rares that there are not alot of
Put super rares and regular rares on the same page

[Jin]

Where do you draw the line?

Our hotel is changing, supers are changing, years back no one could imagine the dino being 3T but look at it today.

Public Poll on Habbox me thinks.
IMO (my first IMO notation go me) The line would be before Ione's gift.

No one imagined the value of a Dino Egg but who imagined that the throne would be a key item of Habbo "currency" so to speak?

I feel people are making their choice on opting for a move based on a small technicality that super rares are currently unreleased items of furni (which obviously accounts for their reduced numbers, HENCE its value and these numbers and values reflect its status as a super rare) and that all unreleased furni's should be super rares which just seems wrong in my opinion because if we all started deleting our petal patches and there turned out to be only 1000 in the entire hotel, prices shot to 4T for a petal patch surely that would be a super rare?

[BL!NKEY]

The Line could be greater than a throne and less than a throne.

Because people usually use thrones to trade for supers

and hcs for rares.

[Kardan]

I guess that would work.

Choices:

Move ione gifts to supers
Leave it how it is
Change the deff of supers to rares that there are not alot of
Put super rares and regular rares on the same page

But if supers are rares that they're aren't alot of, Thrones, Holoboys and Samovars wouldn't be supers, but you just said they were. o.O

[-:Undertaker:-]

IMO (my first IMO notation go me) The line would be before Ione's gift.

No one imagined the value of a Dino Egg but who imagined that the throne would be a key item of Habbo "currency" so to speak?

So if another rare was given out and 1 less was given out than the thrones were.

So,

Thrones: 51,000
Pink Pillows: 49,999

Would Pink Pillows be supers?

Where do you draw the line?, you cant.

Public poll pls

[BL!NKEY]

But if supers are rares that they're aren't alot of, Thrones, Holoboys and Samovars wouldn't be supers, but you just said they were. o.O

I dont really understand what you are saying but

I dont think holoboys and samovars or thrones should be supers


I like the idea of greater than a throne = super

less than = rare

[Jin]

So if another rare was given out and 1 less was given out than the thrones were.

So,

Thrones: 51,000
Pink Pillows: 49,999

Would Pink Pillows be supers?

Where do you draw the line?, you cant.

Public poll pls

Well no because if the pink pillows follow the same trend then they would at best be worth about that of a throne therefore not a super.

When people hear the term super rare I am sure most people will assume its an item with high habbo face value and not an unreleased furniture. I am sure most of the rare traders on Habbo dont give too monkeys about if an item is a super rare because it hasnt seen the catalogue and more concerned about its price and where he or she can get themselves one of those.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I dont really understand what you are saying but

I dont think holoboys and samovars or thrones should be supers


I like the idea of greater than a throne = super

less than = rare


Well that is stupid, Example, Red Lazer could be 28 CS and Throne 31 CS, Throne drops to 27 CS and Red Lazer spends one day in Supers, throne then rises and red lazer has to be moved back.

Pointless, you can't pick and choose what a super is.

[BL!NKEY]

Well that is stupid, Example, Red Lazer could be 28 CS and Throne 31 CS, Throne drops to 27 CS and Red Lazer spends one day in Supers, throne then rises and red lazer has to be moved back.

Pointless, you can't pick and choose what a super is.

I still think it will work

I dont think stuff will go from 32 - 28 and back to 32 in one day

It usually might go from 32-31 with the throne then back up and stuff.

Like the typo usually doesnt go below throne but can be worth throne as least then goes up.

[Jin]

I reckon about silver dragon lamp and above should be classed as supers CURRENTLY.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I still think it will work

I dont think stuff will go from 32 - 28 and back to 32 in one day

It usually might go from 32-31 with the throne then back up and stuff.

Like the typo usually doesnt go below throne but can be worth throne as least then goes up.


There would be confusion and moaning.

Way to solve this is a Public Poll on Habbox.

Also silver dragon can be 5 CS in the future and still be a super, it will never be a Normal rare until it's released on purpose in the catalogue.

[llaarryy]

i agree with the fact that going by what habbox calls super rares they would go their but they arent *Super rare* going by actual definitions but anyways i think they should stay for simple fact they have been there so long lol :P anyways i vote keep in normal rares :)

[-:Undertaker:-]

i agree with the fact that going by what habbox calls super rares they would go their but they arent *Super rare* going by actual definitions but anyways i think they should stay for simple fact they have been there so long lol :P anyways i vote keep in normal rares :)


For all we know Samovars could of been 3T by now.

You can't base a super on rareity and value, values change and rareity changes, for example the Green Pillow is much rarer then the Throne but is only 18 CS so were would that go? and remember there are NOT 51,000 Thrones still going around, walk into any room on the trading charts and you will find more Dino's than Samovars.

If we change what a super rare is then many people will be confused by the constant moving of Typo's, Little Trophys, Bronze Dragons etc.

Moving the ione's gifts can't harm Habbox more than the Credits did.


YES: 40
NO: 17

[Lost-Shark]

Supers :P
Thrones are normally basis of super trading anyway

[Kaytti]

Yes, it is unfair to keep them as normals. We had a long discussion in the department, and we think they should be.

[Alkaz]

I Was thinking it was given to allregistered users but then it wasnt in the cat but peopbally more people got the rares than if they had been in the cat. :S i dont really i know, i thnk they should stay were they are.

[Dude-Im-Dan]

the throne should be added to the super rare section but not the holopod and samover because they arent that popular and not worth much.

[Lost-Shark]

EDIT: Dan ^^ Above, It doesn't matter what price a super is. It is how it was given out!
I think thrones should be on the super page AND the Normal page
People trade them in both catorgories, Make it a referance for Traders :P

[-:Undertaker:-]

As I CLEARLY explained at the start of the thread, it does NOT Matter on the price.

Read it next time.

[Naythi.]

Right Everybody Who Thinks It Isnt A SUPER RARE LISTEN !


Here are a few reasons why they are super rares :
They have never been released into the catalogue which means these were never paid for buy you the habbo users

They were given out as presants / Never ever released

It doesnt matter if you didnt get a presant , They still never came out in the catalouge !
They dont have to be worth 20T to be a super rare , But if habbox placed them in the correct place then maybe there VALUE would be higher !


This means they are super rare , Please dont say they arnt as hmmmmm , , , +yes They are :D

[-:Undertaker:-]

My brother just went around asking people to offer him a Russian Samovar, we didn't see ANY in every room we went into AND we didn't get offered one once yet we still saw about 2/3 Dino's being sold.

[Lost-Shark]

Samouvars are quite hard to sell sometimes.
I spent 3 weeks selling one.
If they were super people would go mad for them + buy them. Cheap supers are like a way of gettin rich

[-:Undertaker:-]

I just saw one in a shop and my brother offered 0.5 Profit and he still didn't accept.

They are nearly impossible to get, it's easier to get a Green Wooly Pillow, so to the people who said they are common, get on the hotel now and try and find some.

[Naythi.]

Thats because hardly anybody has samovars , , , I think they should be worth more as i see dinos , typos and thrones ect sold all the time for high prices

Hardly anybody actualy sells there samovars :D
Lets hope if they do move it incourages them to move up in price


Sierk or Who ever you need permision off , , , Please say yes and let them be in the right catergory !

[-:Undertaker:-]

Vote is now.

YES - 42
NO - 18

If we don't move them then there is no point in the super, seasonal, misc and normal sections because if the rule doesn't apply for 3 supers, why should it apply for Dino's?, Gold Ambers? etc.

Public vote on Habbox <3 :)

[benjamin]

I do think they should be moved, but the one problem is by calling them 'Supers' gives the impression that they are worth more than normal rares.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I do think they should be moved, but the one problem is by calling them 'Supers' gives the impression that they are worth more than normal rares.

Well that's down to the public, if they want to pay more then they can :)

Supers used to be all above Normal Rares but it's changing now with 5 minute rares etc.

[Soka]

I just saw one in a shop and my brother offered 0.5 Profit and he still didn't accept.

They are nearly impossible to get, it's easier to get a Green Wooly Pillow, so to the people who said they are common, get on the hotel now and try and find some.

search roasy and look in the bottom room.

IMO they are supers but they should have being in the the supers section from the start and theres no harm with keeping them where they are now

[benjamin]

Well that's down to the public, if they want to pay more then they can :)

Supers used to be all above Normal Rares but it's changing now with 5 minute rares etc.
No, then you get things like Aqua Rollers (I don't actually remember the price of it, I don't trade but I remember them being less than the throne) &Silver rollers (Same applies)

I dunno, I just thing a different word instead of super. But obv. that isn't going to happen.

[-:Undertaker:-]

search roasy and look in the bottom room.

IMO they are supers but they should have being in the the supers section from the start and theres no harm with keeping them where they are now


That's like one room, i'm talking about if you normally walk into rooms you can not get a Samovar and you don't see any.

Why not move them?, they are in wrong section + Throne would be easier for people to see.

I could say that with anything, Red smoke is released - Oh i'll just keep it in supers because they were in their in the first place.


EDIT: Flicker is right, we could rename super section "Unreleased Rares" so we could then keep all the current supers in their + we could then move the ione gifts and the people who have a problem with the ione gifts being called supers will then be happy as we're not calling them supers :8

+REP good idea.

[jackass]

Well it looks like 2/3 of members want them to be supers. Off topic, how many UK mega rares are there?

[Lozzoling]

Well technically they ARE supers. Just because they're low in value and there are many around doesn't change this fact.

The definition of super is not released in the catalogue, and they have never been released in the catalogue. The only reason they're in the normals section is a mistake on Habbox's part because of their low value and they're lack of characteristics of a super.

[Lost-Shark]

Most Of the RVR dept. Think they should move. Aren't we special :P

[Naythi.]

Yeah i no :D

theres loads more thrones around than samovars , , ,
Undertaker if your teh rare values reporter person cant you jst do it and move them ?

they are super rares , Always Have , Always will !

[-:Undertaker:-]

Well technically they ARE supers. Just because they're low in value and there are many around doesn't change this fact.

The definition of super is not released in the catalogue, and they have never been released in the catalogue. The only reason they're in the normals section is a mistake on Habbox's part because of their low value and they're lack of characteristics of a super.

I agree it is partly Habbox's fault that the Samovars and Holopods are low in value.

Also Nay if I had my way I would move them instantly into supers as that's were they belong, just as I instantly moved the FOH Poster and Bear Rugs back into Normals the other day :P



EDIT: Flicker is right, we could rename super section "Unreleased Rares" so we could then keep all the current supers in their + we could then move the ione gifts and the people who have a problem with the ione gifts being called supers will then be happy as we're not calling them supers :8

+REP good idea.

[holo-jonny]

41-20

I think they should be moved and I think Flicker's idea was great.

[Lozzoling]

I didn't really mean that it's habbox's fault that they're low value.

But holoboys are really hated, like seriously.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I didn't really mean that it's habbox's fault that they're low value.

But holoboys are really hated, like seriously.

I know, but I get were your coming from, Habbox have played a part in the ione gifts value.

[Naythi.]

That Idea is cool about unreleased rares , , , You realy should do that instead of having Super Rares .

And yeash Habbox Rare values has determind the Rare state that holoboys and samovars are in

Also for some strange reason , , , thrones are going up and up and up in value

But there are loads of Thrones released all the time , Shouldnt they be staying the same or Lowering in value

[Lost-Shark]

Thrones are extremely popular with people.
Thats why they go up + up + Up

[JB.1]

Yep, they should be cuz i think hardly any were given out, right?

And 31 cs [throne] isn't exactly a low price....

[Kaytti]

Look at all supers! THEY WERE NEVER GIVEN OUT!

Also, lasers were worth 6 Cs when they were moved to supers! Doesn't matter on price!

[Scotesh]

I was there at the time of Ione's gift-giving.
Personally, over the years, Ive seen rares go in and out of the supers class of rares.
I class super rares as rares that have not been released in the catalouge, therefore, I think personally that theyre super rares.

[theman0001]

i think they should be supers, but if they were the prices would go up in price, especialy the samovar

[-:Undertaker:-]

Look at all supers! THEY WERE NEVER GIVEN OUT!

Also, lasers were worth 6 Cs when they were moved to supers! Doesn't matter on price!


Were never released* :P

I think Poll shows majority of Habbo's want it fixing and ive PM'd 8Freak8 about renaming the super section to "Unreleased Rares" so then no one can moan about what a super rare is.

Poll is now.

YES: 48 Votes
NO: 20 Votes

[Djcafc.]

no i don't as they were given out on mass none of the others have been given out

[jackass]

Yes: 46
No: 24

Undertaker, you miscounted...

[-:Undertaker:-]

no i don't as they were given out on mass none of the others have been given out

20 Purple ICM's were given out at the same time..

EDIT Bio: 2 People changed their minds, so it's 48 and 22

[Azza]

i think as they havnt been in cat they should be supers. Even though every1 on at that time got them they still were not in cat.

[ColyTom]

Were never released* :P

I think Poll shows majority of Habbo's want it fixing and ive PM'd 8Freak8 about renaming the super section to "Unreleased Rares" so then no one can moan about what a super rare is.

Poll is now.

YES: 48 Votes
NO: 20 Votes

I don't think that the section should be renamed "Unreleased Rares" but I do think that ione's gifts should be moved to super rare section.

[reindeer.]

Scrap the 'supers' 'norms' 'miscellaneous' and 'seasonals' section: just put them all in one category. Theres no reason for categoryies anyway really.

[Azza]

Scrap the 'supers' 'norms' 'miscellaneous' and 'seasonals' section: just put them all in one category. Theres no reason for categoryies anyway really.

it is easier to find the rares other than the huge list there will be if they were all put in one

[ReviewDude]

In my opinion, they aren't "super-rare" as there are thousands of them readily available. For this same reason, however, I feel the Green Pillow and Strobe Solarium ARE Super Rares.

[:Hazel]

I agree with this theory and it is a very good point. These rares have never been released into the catalogue (on purpose anyway lol) therefore they should be classed as super rares.

[Uber-Jason]

i suppose you could scrap all catagories and then just make a huge page but then have that search thing which means u just search the name. Makes life a lot easier and no reason for the confusion

[DaBears]

There is because they are in wrong section.
DOES IT MATTER NO its too late now u just change it they should of done that a long time ago.

[The Professor]

DOES IT MATTER NO its too late now u just change it they should of done that a long time ago.

I love a bit of maturity :rolleyes:

Im not supposed to be on, I just came on to check the staff forums, but when i saw this thread I just had to post.

The reason habbox have had Thrones, Holopods and Savomars in the normal rares section for so long is not because their value has been low. The throne has risen from 15HC to 30+HC in the time I've been on habbo, and they've not been moved once. If they were based on price, a stupid amount of rares would have to be moved backwards and forwards if they hovered around any given price. This is impractical and unessecary(sp?).

THE definition of a super rare is a rare that has not been intentionally released in the catalogue. In answer to Jin's post, making up your own definition of super rare doesn't change the definition for the public. The public have used this definition ever since it was coined, and that's the way it will always be.

In short: Thrones, Holopods and Savomars should be moved to supers.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Scrap the 'supers' 'norms' 'miscellaneous' and 'seasonals' section: just put them all in one category. Theres no reason for categoryies anyway really.

May be a bit confusing, I just want Super renamed to stop people argueing about what a super is and the ione gifts moved into the super section.

If they aren't moved then it makes a nonsence of the catoreys.

[zepie]

well, there was so many given out, so it cannot be a super...

[Kaytti]

Theres more thrones than samovars. And theres more dinos than thrones - supposedly. So! :)

[-:Undertaker:-]

well, there was so many given out, so it cannot be a super...

It is a super as most Habbo's class a super as a rare that has never been released before.

That's the reason why it's time to update the Super Page to Unreleased Rare page :)

[Titch]

It is a super as most Habbo's class a super as a rare that has never been released before.

That's the reason why it's time to update the Super Page to Unreleased Rare page :)

When will this happen then? tonight? This week?

[-:Undertaker:-]

When will this happen then? tonight? This week?

It's up to 8Freak8

Ive said to him that we should rename supers page them move the ione gifts onto it.

The votes are now 26 for NO and 62 for YES

[Hazza]

Rename them to what?

Unreleased Rares?
Then Released Rares?

[-:Undertaker:-]

We could have Unreleased Rares, Normal Rares, etc or we could do Normals aswell.

[Hazza]

You should have...

Unreleased rares
Released rares
Sports & Posters
Seasonals + Gothic

[-:Undertaker:-]

Miscellaneous and Seasonals are fine.

[Alkaz]

Im kinda sitting on the fence because super rares are normally only given to selected habbos or a certain amount are given out, but in the case of iones presents they were given to thousands upon thousands of people, but on the other hand i see how people think they are supers as they wasnt released in the cat but more people might have got them rares than if they were in the cat. I Dont really know.

[llaarryy]

this is where i set the line lol do it this way keep thrones any thing selling less than a t normal rares :) more than a t super rrares its riskt :o lol anyways i think they should stay tho

[Evescence]

ione gifts haven't been in the catalogue.
Holopods have been in catalogue ent they? :S

[Lozzoling]

I think this is similar to whether you view the Xmas badge as a proper badge.

The more time goes on, if they remain unreleased, the more i think people will want them moved.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I think this is similar to whether you view the Xmas badge as a proper badge.

The more time goes on, if they remain unreleased, the more i think people will want them moved.


Agreed.


Results are now..


YES: 68
NO: 26

Clearly shows it's time to move em' :)

As to the Holopod question, I am sure the Hologirl was the one which was released for about 1 hour.

[Lozzoling]

Lmao how come i didn't make the RVR trialists?

[theman0001]

:o dont move holo-boy it would ruin it holo-boy and holo-girl should be in same section

dont mind about T or samovar

[-:Undertaker:-]

We may be choosing a few more soon to put on trial ;)

[Sharpsterz]

super defonition means havent been in catalog

[TopManTim]

well if the definition of a super is an item of furni that hasn't been release in the catalogue then shouldn't hc gifts be in the supers page as you can't buy them from the catalogue they come in presents to your hand.

[-:Undertaker:-]

well if the definition of a super is an item of furni that hasn't been release in the catalogue then shouldn't hc gifts be in the supers page as you can't buy them from the catalogue they come in presents to your hand.

HC Rares are coming all the time, if they came once like the ione's gifts then they would be supers.

[jackass]

And technicly, at the above posts, HC rares ARE released in the catalouge in a way, because thats where you buy them. Or the little HC bit on corner, same thing really.

[TrueColours]

MOD-Zippy just informed me that the Russian samovar was once in the catalogue around 2003 because of hellcats return from Egypt or something.

[-:Undertaker:-]

MOD-Zippy just informed me that the Russian samovar was once in the catalogue around 2003 because of hellcats return from Egypt or something.

Have you got a screenie?

[Tristan]

Have you got a screenie?

They can be edited tbh.

[-:Undertaker:-]

They can be edited tbh.

Oh yeah, I personally doubt the Samovar has been out otherwise Habbox and other sites would have it on histroy/Rare Watch

Also 8Freak8 said we will be talking with the public about it next week :)

Also votes are now

72 YES
30 NO

[Ashhizzle]

Yeah, move them ;]

[crazy-man9]

i most definitly thin k they shoukld be they wernt relased in the catalogue and they are 5 years old now i own samanover and holo boy and i want a throne they should be super rares and fo up

[A.K.A]

i think holo's should be super, their isnt many of them and theirs too MANY THRONES.. :P

[tinyjosh01]

i know they dont but it would make sense to me if on habbox the rares were valued at how many/much
they apear to me that would make sense because i thought a rare would be something unique.i suppose other peoples will have an essay on why they dont :rolleyes_
that is what i say on it therefore the prices staying the same OR going down because of so many appearing now.
e.g: throne

[Lost-Shark]

When do we find out when thye will or will not be supers?

[Robzor]

no they arent supers by any chance
they were given to all habbos on that day
so they arent that rare are they?
there were large amounts of these rares given out
how can they be supers?
for example , gold , silver and bronze drags deserve
the super rare status , as they are rare prizes for battleball
so theres not many around
just take my advice :D

[-:Undertaker:-]

When do we find out when thye will or will not be supers?

Mid next week


no they arent supers by any chance
they were given to all habbos on that day
so they arent that rare are they?
there were large amounts of these rares given out
how can they be supers?
for example , gold , silver and bronze drags deserve
the super rare status , as they are rare prizes for battleball
so theres not many around
just take my advice :D

Doesn't matter how many there are, there cannot be a cut off line of what is classed as a super as we don't know how many Dino's there are for example.

There are 880 Red Lazer Gates and only 820 Green Pillows, what would happen there?

It's how they are released, if it's by mistake, given out or not in the catalogue then it's a super, if it's intentionally released then it's a Normal.

[DaBears]

i dont get why u guys are making a big deal out of it. they could of put them in super section they didnt. i dont think they should move them because ud be messing up all the prices why dont u put HC rares in super rare too those arent in catouloge.

[User43]

They shuld be supers

[@xP]

IF you move them into the Super section, would people not buy them for a higher price.. as they have been at a low price for all this time then they will just shoot up. I think no one would buy them.

People will think this im not buying one of those they used to be only 2.5 cs

[Jordie]

Mid next week



Doesn't matter how many there are, there cannot be a cut off line of what is classed as a super as we don't know how many Dino's there are for example.

There are 880 Red Lazer Gates and only 820 Green Pillows, what would happen there?

It's how they are released, if it's by mistake, given out or not in the catalogue then it's a super, if it's intentionally released then it's a Normal.


it was intentionally given out tho

[crazy-man9]

they sud be i just wish i had bought samanovers wen they were on the low

[-:Undertaker:-]

it was intentionally given out tho


So were Dino Eggs, Gold Ambers, Gold Nellys, White Smokes, Little Trophys etc.

[Hazza]

Its pretty obvious what people want..

I say move them now :)

[-:Undertaker:-]

i dont get why u guys are making a big deal out of it. they could of put them in super section they didnt. i dont think they should move them because ud be messing up all the prices why dont u put HC rares in super rare too those arent in catouloge.


HC Rares can be bought so they are not supers.

Also.

YES: 85 Votes
NO: 33 Votes

[Zuar]

They should be supers as when do you see a samovar in a shop?
Its very rare.. to see them so I say SUPER THEM!

[Sharpsterz]

true they will rocket in price and id love to see wat the throne would go to because that will effect the supers

[Ed.]

well technically they are super rares.

Definition of Super Rare: An Item of Furni which has NOT been released in the catalogue

[-:Undertaker:-]

3 People have now changed their minds.

YES: 93 Votes
NO: 34

[e5..]

I said super section then again there are loads and are not exactly SUPER lol

[-:Undertaker:-]

I said super section then again there are loads and are not exactly SUPER lol

We could say that with Red Lazers, personally I think it's WAY harder to find a Russian Samovar than a Dino Egg.

I think we should rename the Super sectino aswell.

[e5..]

OKKK UP TO YOU ;)

[DaBears]

HC Rares can be bought so they are not supers.

Also.

YES: 85 Votes
NO: 33 Votes
they arent released in catolouge so u should put hc rares if thats the defintion of supers

[-:Undertaker:-]

they arent released in catolouge so u should put hc rares if thats the defintion of supers


They are released all the time + you can buy them, you can't buy supers unless they are a mistake like the HABBO Trophys.

[Ed.]

You can buy hcs - All you gotta do is become habbo club

It is v hard to find russian samovars so they shud be supers

[Tristan]

They are released all the time + you can buy them, you can't buy supers unless they are a mistake like the HABBO Trophys.

Or DISCO sign before they were released again. :)

[-:Undertaker:-]

Or DISCO sign before they were released again. :)

Yep :)

Votes are now.

95 say YES
35 say NO

Ive also noticed ione gifts are shooting through the roof, some people won't sell their holopods are 3.0 each now :o

[DaBears]

They are released all the time + you can buy them, you can't buy supers unless they are a mistake like the HABBO Trophys.
they arent in the catoulouge exactly and only hc is the one u can buy right away

[-:Undertaker:-]

they arent in the catoulouge exactly and only hc is the one u can buy right away


No because you can buy HC on homepage just like you could buy Rose Sleeping Bags via homepage - You can't buy Dino Eggs from the homepage, you cant buy ambers from the homepage just like you cant but ione's gifts from the homepage.

Also you can buy a study/mocha/tub etc.. right away aswell.

Say if you have done 6 months then ran out of HC the you renew it, you get the gift in your hand from the minute you press "Buy HC"

[DaBears]

No because you can buy HC on homepage just like you could buy Rose Sleeping Bags via homepage - You can't buy Dino Eggs from the homepage, you cant buy ambers from the homepage just like you cant but ione's gifts from the homepage.

Also you can buy a study/mocha/tub etc.. right away aswell.

Say if you have done 6 months then ran out of HC the you renew it, you get the gift in your hand from the minute you press "Buy HC"
i still dont know why u guys even care its pretty stupid or you guys are really bored

[TrueColours]

No because you can buy HC on homepage just like you could buy Rose Sleeping Bags via homepage - You can't buy Dino Eggs from the homepage, you cant buy ambers from the homepage just like you cant but ione's gifts from the homepage.

Also you can buy a study/mocha/tub etc.. right away aswell.

Say if you have done 6 months then ran out of HC the you renew it, you get the gift in your hand from the minute you press "Buy HC"
That's really made sense.. For real, I always saw hc's should be put in there own section but that makes big sense, +rep.

And Might as well close this thread is a bit obvious that they want it to be in super rares, but would it go for thrones or normal price?

[Ed.]

they are undoubtably supers

[.:TeamAmerica:.]

Supers tbh.

[Zuar]

supers pl0z

[Kaytti]

They deserve to be supers. All I can say.

[Leeroy]

Supers gets my vote

[Moozo]

The majority of votes are overwhelmingly supporting the moving of them, so why hasn't it happened yet?

[-:Undertaker:-]

The majority of votes are overwhelmingly supporting the moving of them, so why hasn't it happened yet?


I agree, they will be decided next week though :)

Personally I think most traders in the meeting will agree to move them.

[Sharpsterz]

Thats completely differant to what I just said. Not everyone had purple ICM's did they? No.

well how many habbos were on in 2001?

[Orangeesh]

Catalogue rares should only be rares that were released on purpose

Supers rares should be rares that are given out by habbox staff and that have not ever been in the catalogue.

If they were released into the catalogue by accident
but taken out shortly after they should go into the misc rares.
along with scripted furni , the army chair should stay in misc tbh

ione was habbox staff/manager
she gave them out as a present so therefore they should be classed in the super rare section.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Normal Rare ~ Something that is put in catalogue in "Rares" on purpose.

Super Rare ~ Something that has never been in the catalogue or was put in by mistake.

Miscellaneous Rare ~ Something that was taken out of the catalogue but wasn't released in the Rares Section.


The Misc pods are in Misc because they've been in the catalogue before but the Army Plasto isn't in Miscellaneous because it hasn't been in the catalogue before.

[Orangeesh]

yeh i agree with pods....

i suppose chair should be super as its never been put in cat

anyway ione gifts should be in super section :)

[jackass]

Oh dear, I REALLY should of stocked up on Samovars.

[Joord]

No, i dont think they should be moved into the supers section because most rares are in cat for max of month, and ione's gifts where given to everyone who had been on habbo during the month, so it might aswell have been a catologue rare? if you get what im going at.

[Ed.]

but they were never released in catalog so it makes them super

[Energizer]

they are supers cuz they've never been released into the catalogue.

[fitcovboy]

Maybe they should be moved, however bearing in mind how many of each of these items were ORIGINALLY given out does not fair out in what is on the hotel now! But in habbox own words then they are incorrect as they state a super has NEVER been released in the catalogue ..... most supers were and supposedly by accident, so if we are talking of a rare that is not rumoured to have erroniously entered the catalogue then i guess they should be supers, i agree with Dan that the value does not imply it is a super or not, after all there are between 800 and 900 green pillows a lot less than most supers, there value does not reflect this! Also there are around 4 blank habbo tower trophies ..... which super is there so few of? and there value is certainly not reflected by this, and a part of that is due to the fact that you could not be sure that the trophy you get would be blank. Desirability is another factor, there are a lot to the values and it is not what something is worth that dictates if it is or is not a super, it is the pure fact supers have not been released in the catalogue ever and can only be accuired either by trading or by being handed out by a member of staff, so you decide, they all appeared in the catalogue at one stage apart from recent ones like purple icm's and infobus ect, at the end of the day whatever section they fall into does notor rather should not affect the value, else the green pillow should be in the supers as it was released into the catalogue for a similar amount of time as all of the older supers were!

[Andyjb]

sorry if posted before but i havnt got time to read through 18 pages of posts lol

supers are given out near enough every week by competitions hostes by habbo and ions gifts were only released to a few hundred if not thousands of habbos, so in my view they are supers, also being the fact that they havnt been released into the catalogue aswell

[Sharpsterz]

just think wat price they wud be if habbox hadnt made the mistake of not puttin them in super section

[--ss--]

They are supers but of a differnt sort as they were given to ALL users at that time for FREE

[Andyjb]

They are supers but of a differnt sort as they were given to ALL users at that time for FREE

in my view, free makes it even more rare, how often (apart from winning competitions) do u get free rares from habbo staff?

[fitcovboy]

Well since all the supers are supposed to have came from staff then thats a silly comment ..... however why are tower trophies in the supers then? They got onto the hotel via the catalogue! All apart from the blank ones!

[Joord]

also, a reason you see dinos more than samovars is because most casinos that get on pop are SUPER rare casinos, therefore, you wouldnt exactly find samovars in their. habbox titles run the habbo trading community. tbh, i think you should scrap all sections.

[ColyTom]

Well since all the supers are supposed to have came from staff then thats a silly comment ..... however why are tower trophies in the supers then? They got onto the hotel via the catalogue! All apart from the blank ones!
They were released in the catalogue by accident. :P

[Joord]

tbh, just scrap the sections. people should pay for what they think looks good, unlike now-a-days where people are paying for furni status. and people are only paying alot for ione's gifts because they think/hope that they will get into super section, so that they make profit.

[Frisky]

I think all three items are beautiful and should be supers.