special needs

[LeftForDead]

whats ur opinion on this, do u think it is there or its not and they just use it as a excuse?

[503nomis]

whats ur opinion on this, do u think it is there or its not and they just use it as a excuse?


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[H4xm3]

Special needs as in ?

Auitism or Down Syndrome?

If so they deserve the help, to get the through life.

[velocity]

whats ur opinion on this, do u think it is there or its not and they just use it as a excuse?
what kind of a question is that, people often have trouble doing things, or learning as such, its not their fault they are unable to do things, so why would they use it as an excuse for anything?

[LeftForDead]

Special needs as in ?

Auitism or Down Syndrome?

If so they deserve the help, to get the through life.
ye like that like should they be able to go thro cost free?
and if so how can u tell what level they need to reach before it is free
because with autism you can have it on so many diffrent levels, as i know there are 2 members on here which have autism or a form of autism


what kind of a question is that, people often have trouble doing things, or learning as such, its not their fault they are unable to do things, so why would they use it as an excuse for anything?
im saying do you think sometimes people use it as a excuse

[velocity]

ye like that like should they be able to go thro cost free?
and if so how can u tell what level they need to reach before it is free
because with autism you can have it on so many diffrent levels, as i know there are 2 members on here which have autism or a form of autism


im saying do you think sometimes people use it as a excuse
english please.
firstly, they do deserve the help they get - if they struggle to do things, they should be provided with some form of assistance, no matter how bad the condition.

in reply to your question, sometimes its clear to see the problems they encounter, other times you may need to run a few simple tests. still, i dont see many people using it as an excuse, whoever does needs to think there life over if you ask me, as its not only unfair to the people that truly need it.

[-:Undertaker:-]

REAL special needs means people who have a problem with their Brain etc I believe these people should be put in special schools.

The 'chavs' are just idiots who deserve to be put down, they don't want to learn, they are so nasty and horrid.

Ive had experiance with Special Needs Kids and one of them in year seven did this.

We were in PE and Mkay was going around as a joke saying to people have you got a penis?, he came to Sean who has a problem and asked him, Sean said yeah and Mkay said prove it, Sean then pulled his boxers down :rolleyes_ :redface_b :confused_

We got in trouble once with him because he was follwing us and we we're going to be mates with him but we skit eachother all the time and he got offended when we called him Cookies and Milk and Maureen.

So yeah.

[LeftForDead]

maybe i should tell you a few things before i go on,
I have asperges syndrome(sp?) its a form of autism, luckly im at the low end of the scale.
below is some things austic people do.

People with autism generally experience three main areas of difficulty; these are known as the triad of impairments.

Social interaction (difficulty with social relationships, for example appearing aloof and indifferent to other people)
Social communication (difficulty with verbal and non-verbal communication, for example not fully understanding the meaning of common gestures, facial expressions or tone of voice)
Social imagination (difficulty in the development of interpersonal play and imagination, for example having a limited range of imaginative activities, possibly copied and pursued rigidly and repetitively).In addition to this triad, repetitive behaviour patterns and resistance to change in routine are often characteristic.



english please.
firstly, they do deserve the help they get - if they struggle to do things, they should be provided with some form of assistance, no matter how bad the condition.

in reply to your question, sometimes its clear to see the problems they encounter, other times you may need to run a few simple tests. still, i dont see many people using it as an excuse, whoever does needs to think there life over if you ask me, as its not only unfair to the people that truly need it.
where i am i see lots of people who when are in trouble say 'It was my autism that made me do it'
Thats what i mean, because that is complete bull, autism is not a form of tourttes, yes u can have them both but if u dont then u cant blame it like that.


REAL special needs means people who have a problem with their Brain etc I believe these people should be put in special schools.

The 'chavs' are just idiots who deserve to be put down, they don't want to learn, they are so nasty and horrid.

Ive had experiance with Special Needs Kids and one of them in year seven did this.

We were in PE and Mkay was going around as a joke saying to people have you got a penis?, he came to Sean who has a problem and asked him, Sean said yeah and Mkay said prove it, Sean then pulled his boxers down :rolleyes_ :redface_b :confused_

We got in trouble once with him because he was follwing us and we we're going to be mates with him but we skit eachother all the time and he got offended when we called him Cookies and Milk and Maureen.

So yeah.
And really when you say they should all be put in special schools i dont agree with you there, i went to mainstream in primary but got kicked outa to then stayed at a special school for the rest of me education, next year im apply for art college after having a year off from education, now should i be put in a art college? or a special school where they could do me limited help for my art?

[velocity]

maybe i should tell you a few things before i go on,
I have asperges syndrome(sp?) its a form of autism, luckly im at the low end of the scale.
below is some things austic people do.

People with autism generally experience three main areas of difficulty; these are known as the triad of impairments.

Social interaction (difficulty with social relationships, for example appearing aloof and indifferent to other people)
Social communication (difficulty with verbal and non-verbal communication, for example not fully understanding the meaning of common gestures, facial expressions or tone of voice)
Social imagination (difficulty in the development of interpersonal play and imagination, for example having a limited range of imaginative activities, possibly copied and pursued rigidly and repetitively).In addition to this triad, repetitive behaviour patterns and resistance to change in routine are often characteristic.



where i am i see lots of people who when are in trouble say 'It was my autism that made me do it'
Thats what i mean, because that is complete bull, autism is not a form of tourttes, yes u can have them both but if u dont then u cant blame it like that.


And really when you say they should all be put in special schools i dont agree with you there, i went to mainstream in primary but got kicked outa to then stayed at a special school for the rest of me education, next year im apply for art college after having a year off from education, now should i be put in a art college? or a special school where they could do me limited help for my art?
then why are you asking us?

[-:Undertaker:-]

maybe i should tell you a few things before i go on,
I have asperges syndrome(sp?) its a form of autism, luckly im at the low end of the scale.
below is some things austic people do.

People with autism generally experience three main areas of difficulty; these are known as the triad of impairments.

Social interaction (difficulty with social relationships, for example appearing aloof and indifferent to other people)
Social communication (difficulty with verbal and non-verbal communication, for example not fully understanding the meaning of common gestures, facial expressions or tone of voice)
Social imagination (difficulty in the development of interpersonal play and imagination, for example having a limited range of imaginative activities, possibly copied and pursued rigidly and repetitively).In addition to this triad, repetitive behaviour patterns and resistance to change in routine are often characteristic.



where i am i see lots of people who when are in trouble say 'It was my autism that made me do it'
Thats what i mean, because that is complete bull, autism is not a form of tourttes, yes u can have them both but if u dont then u cant blame it like that.


And really when you say they should all be put in special schools i dont agree with you there, i went to mainstream in primary but got kicked outa to then stayed at a special school for the rest of me education, next year im apply for art college after having a year off from education, now should i be put in a art college? or a special school where they could do me limited help for my art?


If you have it bad/medium you should be in a special school.

[LeftForDead]

then why are you asking us?
askingu u wat


If you have it bad/medium you should be in a special school.
but why couldnt mainstream schools have staff to dead with special needs children?

[Hxf Santa]

No, they don't use it as an excuse except for some people

[Breakfloor]

There will always be someone who blames it on a disability.

but they will be caught out. if a kid had a disibility like downsyndrome they could go to special school but i have 3 in my school and theyre find where they are. they are all happy and getting the education they need. special schools annoy me. because its like taking a disabled kid into a school and treating him like a 4 year old. now if they were mentally or phyisically ******ed then ok. if they are violent and disabled ok. but if theyre getting a education and they like it where they are then keep them there.

[Hxf Santa]

Chris in my class thinks he has 'behaviour problems'

When i have ashbies or however you spell i asked my teacher and the next day he says he's a cool to be like it and come up to me and went your a issue tissue

[-:Undertaker:-]

There will always be someone who blames it on a disability.

but they will be caught out. if a kid had a disibility like downsyndrome they could go to special school but i have 3 in my school and theyre find where they are. they are all happy and getting the education they need. special schools annoy me. because its like taking a disabled kid into a school and treating him like a 4 year old. now if they were mentally or phyisically ******ed then ok. if they are violent and disabled ok. but if theyre getting a education and they like it where they are then keep them there.

I didn't say all disabled kids so next time your going to -rep me, think of a better reason.

If they cannot cope with mainstream or have problems socialising they should go in a Special School were they will get support and help.

[Jazza]

This thread is highly offensive, you are assuming that people with disabilities are just pretending to get special treatment whereas they could suffer from severe mental or physical problems.

[summer]

whats ur opinion on this, do u think it is there or its not and they just use it as a excuse?
an excuse? what the hell?

would you sit in a wheelchair 24/7, slobbering everywhere, pretending to have no control and getting stared at by everyone just to have 'an excuse'? :s

[Liberation]

I have 6 people in my form at School with special needs, and i personally think they do need it. They would find it very heard to learn and interact with other people without the help they get from support staff etc

[Kyle.tk]

OK, my opinion.

Special needs-

People with real mental issues, downssyndrome etc.. shouldn't be put into mainstream school, because like -:Undertaker:- said, if they go to special schools they can get the help and support they need without cost to the pupils who don't need special attention.

And the people who need 'leg up's' because they have 'difficulties learning' *cough* dont want to learn */cough* shouldn't be given extra attention, its the ones who want help that should be given it, not those who don't want to learn in lesson so get given mentors.

[Jamie!]

my older boyo has downs syndrome but he went to a normal school up until yr6 where he got expelled for welting people lol.

he went to a special needs school and did well, found it alot easier etc and now he is at college doing this course thing.

[FlyingJesus]

I think what thread starter means is people who use behavioural disabilities as an excuse for things that they do. I doubt he meant to say "do you think people with Downs fake it?" as that would be a really stupid question. Basically, there are kids who have variously behaviour issues (ADHD etc) who quite often use that to get out of trouble. Personally I don't think this is on - if there's a rule, it goes for everyone, and just because you have trouble controlling your behaviour there shouldn't have more lenience on you than anyone else.

It's about time we stopped trying to help the kids who can't learn or won't learn, and started to give more attention to the more advanced pupils.

I was a top set student all my school life, and only 2 years out of 12 did I ever get an extra class to help me boost my learning further, and I can't remember being actually rewarded for my work at all. However, the "lower performance" students who ambled through work and failed to produce anything of value were and probably still are consistently told how great they were just for being able to write their names without burning the paper and stabbing someone with their pen. Kids who get kicked out of school for their poor behaviour get rewarded with trips to theme parks, whilst the top students are left with nothing. The excuse? "Getting good grades is a reward in itself". It's disgusting.


edit: On the topic of special schools - I believe they are a good idea IF used for people like the sibling of the above poster, because that actually helps someone and doesn't bring anyone else down. They shouldn't be used for kids who are just *******s though.

[User43]

Of course its there its mental/physical conditions. They do need help and assistance so they do have "special" needs

[Jamie!]

It's about time we stopped trying to help the kids who can't learn or won't learn, and started to give more attention to the more advanced pupils.


same thing is happening at our school, our headteacher as set up his own form group where it consists of all the trouble makers who refuse to learn/work. he is paying them £1 for every day they turn up, and is rewarding them with tickets to newcastle games if they don't get another referal til the end of the year.

[Caution]

why the hell would they use it as an excuse? :l

[Mentor]

whats ur opinion on this, do u think it is there or its not and they just use it as a excuse?
Well im not entirely sure what you asking? Special needs is kinda na annoying way to describe someone with a disability of some kinda, this one more often used in terms of mental disability. The disabilities are real, so "special needs" is also real.
Weather its an excuse or not is an entirely different matter which depends on the situation, since it really depends on in the instance if its being used as an excuse or not "/

[LeftForDead]

This thread is highly offensive, you are assuming that people with disabilities are just pretending to get special treatment whereas they could suffer from severe mental or physical problems.


an excuse? what the hell?

would you sit in a wheelchair 24/7, slobbering everywhere, pretending to have no control and getting stared at by everyone just to have 'an excuse'? :s


I think what thread starter means is people who use behavioural disabilities as an excuse for things that they do. I doubt he meant to say "do you think people with Downs fake it?" as that would be a really stupid question. Basically, there are kids who have variously behaviour issues (ADHD etc) who quite often use that to get out of trouble. Personally I don't think this is on - if there's a rule, it goes for everyone, and just because you have trouble controlling your behaviour there shouldn't have more lenience on you than anyone else.

It's about time we stopped trying to help the kids who can't learn or won't learn, and started to give more attention to the more advanced pupils.

I was a top set student all my school life, and only 2 years out of 12 did I ever get an extra class to help me boost my learning further, and I can't remember being actually rewarded for my work at all. However, the "lower performance" students who ambled through work and failed to produce anything of value were and probably still are consistently told how great they were just for being able to write their names without burning the paper and stabbing someone with their pen. Kids who get kicked out of school for their poor behaviour get rewarded with trips to theme parks, whilst the top students are left with nothing. The excuse? "Getting good grades is a reward in itself". It's disgusting.


edit: On the topic of special schools - I believe they are a good idea IF used for people like the sibling of the above poster, because that actually helps someone and doesn't bring anyone else down. They shouldn't be used for kids who are just *******s though.
thank you, that should answer the top two quotes