Super Safety Sessions

[RICHe]

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Trojans, loggers and loaders ... oh my!
Trojans, loggers and loaders ... oh my!


Computer security can be a very confusing subject at times - even knowing what you're supposed to be protecting yourself against can be a nightmare. Luckily the Safety X are on hand to give you great advice on protecting your computer and your Habbo account. In fact all you have to do is come along and listen!


HOW TO KEEP YOUR COMPUTER SAFE WORKSHOP
Date: Tuesday 17th April
Time: 7 - 9 pm GMT
Room: Safety X Centre > Safety Sessions Room

click here to see the article >> (http://www.habbo.co.uk/help/habbo_experts)

[Weec]

How ironic after me just being hackzord

[Yggdrasill]

Not every Safety X knows how to keep there computer safe, nevermind teaching other people how to keep there's safe. So I hope the people who host the Safety Session actually know what there talking about, because from previous experience - half dnt know.. heh.

Most of the people who attend most likely all ready know. ;/

[Jordy]

Not every Safety X knows how to keep there computer safe, nevermind teaching other people how to keep there's safe. So I hope the people who host the Safety Session actually know what there talking about, because from previous experience - half dnt know.. heh.

Funnily enough I have to agree that some of them do need to learn a bit of safety.

[DJ-Vimto]

i have to agree, especially considering that most of the Xs that get 'hacked' are Safety Xs

[Pyroka]

Well thing is, Sulake think the Safety X's know alot on keylogging and stuff like that. You're better to get ex-hackers/site admins to do it, they'd know more about that sort of stuff; Not kids aiming for a high popularity. :S

It's kinda ironic how the Safety X's do get hacked though.. Very ironic indeed. I bet they don't even have any reccomended software in mind when looking for firewalls/antivirus/antispy etc. AVG is a good one, and I've got Comodo Firewall right now, that's free and it's pretty good.

[Jordy]

You're better to get ex-hackers/site admins to do it, they'd know more about that sort of stuff; Not kids aiming for a high popularity. :S

That's an AWESOME and would actually work, I can't really imagine ex-hackers helping habbo's about keyloggers but it's a nice thought and in a ideal world yes (Well in a ideal world we wouldn't have corrupt Xs. But then again in a ideal world habbo's would know how not to get hacked. But then again in a ideal world they wouldn't be any threats to habbo's :P).

They need to be tested more in the application, the applications contains things like 'Whats a keylogger?' Just go on answers.com and put it in your own words, then things such as 'Where are the FAQs?' yeah that doesn't test them much either, it'd probably help with explaining. Another thing is you can't have to many bans, only a few 2 hour bans. But most of them change account each month so that's easily solved.

I think theirs Habbo's that don't want to change accounts, and because they've been banned when they where newbies they can't be Xs :S It should be done on, where you banned in the last 6 months? And they should of been on habbo for over a year too and stuff like that.

[Shawnstra]

Nice find I guess? ;)

[Framed]

The safety sessions are pointless anyway. People who actually need the help will:
a. Not know about it.
b. Not get there in time.

It just gets filled up with people wanting to see Xs.

[RICHe]

The safety sessions are pointless anyway. People who actually need the help will:
a. Not know about it.
b. Not get there in time.

It just gets filled up with people wanting to see Xs.


it will be full up with x people at the start anyway.

[Black_Apalachi]

That's an AWESOME and would actually work, I can't really imagine ex-hackers helping habbo's about keyloggers...

It's a fab idea but what exactly is an "ex-hacker"? Someone who has hacked before but says they are sorry now? Wouldn't they just get banned?

I mean, if you get a perm ban, but you start saying, "oh I'm really sorry, I won't do it again", Habbo won't exactly lift the ban. :rolleyes:

[Jordy]

It's a fab idea but what exactly is an "ex-hacker"? Someone who has hacked before but says they are sorry now? Wouldn't they just get banned?

I mean, if you get a perm ban, but you start saying, "oh I'm really sorry, I won't do it again", Habbo won't exactly lift the ban. :rolleyes:

Yeah but like I said, it'd never work unless unless it was a ideal world :P It was a good idea though.

[Black_Apalachi]

Yeah but like I said, it'd never work unless unless it was a ideal world :P It was a good idea though.

Well at least the Fansite owner thing could still work. ;)

[Jordy]

Well at least the Fansite owner thing could still work. ;)

Well some fansite owners. Perhaps not the Clubhabbo and Habbox and Hobtech owners should help users about security and fansite security, I think perhaps they ought to listen to it lol.

[Leprachaun--X]

Not every Safety X knows how to keep there computer safe, nevermind teaching other people how to keep there's safe. So I hope the people who host the Safety Session actually know what there talking about, because from previous experience - half dnt know.. heh.

Most of the people who attend most likely all ready know. ;/

Well to be honest the Safety X Team Leaders who are both excellent at Safety will be there most likley so you needent worry. And for you to say that then obviousley you wont be going then? So why complain?


Well thing is, Sulake think the Safety X's know alot on keylogging and stuff like that. You're better to get ex-hackers/site admins to do it, they'd know more about that sort of stuff; Not kids aiming for a high popularity. :S

It's kinda ironic how the Safety X's do get hacked though.. Very ironic indeed. I bet they don't even have any reccomended software in mind when looking for firewalls/antivirus/antispy etc. AVG is a good one, and I've got Comodo Firewall right now, that's free and it's pretty good.

Ex-hackers? That would be a silly idea really.

Oh whats that rich Habbo? You want to get rid of a keylogger? Well go on this site <insert site with viruses and keyloggers on here> and download the program to remove them.

Oh shame I just hacked you.

That wont work. Maybe its a good idea to get people who have the skills to help other habbos. Sure they may not have the knowlege of how different hacking programs are useful etc because they havent used them. Thats a good thing.

Its like saying to a criminal who shot 10 people "Could you possibly help us capture people like you?"

Useful maybe. But I doubt they will just deceide to revert their ways.


it will be full up with x people at the start anyway.

Oh not another one.

DONT GO IF YOU DONT LIKE IT! Nobody is forcing you to go or to like Xs or to think the X program is amazing.

Sure part of what they do is help you stay safe. But if you already know how to then they arent going to be useful to you so why care?

Its like Habbo Xs help all new Habbos. Your only a new Habbo once so after that unless you need help then dont complain because they arent there for you.

Im not saying Xs arent going to help you because your not new or are already safety consious because you may have other problems.

But the people who constantly moan about "Oh the X program sucks" and "Hobbas were better" etc should really think first:

1. Habbo Xs dont moderate the hotel so obviousley because you will never not need help from a MOD they were useful for everyone.

2. If you dont need help from the Xs then obviousley they will seem useless to you but not for everyone.

3. Its people like you who only go to complain that get in early so nobody who needs help can.

[Jordy]

Ex-hackers? That would be a silly idea really.

Oh whats that rich Habbo? You want to get rid of a keylogger? Well go on this site <insert site with viruses and keyloggers on here> and download the program to remove them.

Oh shame I just hacked you.

That wont work. Maybe its a good idea to get people who have the skills to help other habbos.

Yeah well he actually said ex-hacker not hacker. You can't judge hackers as hackers forever, that's called labeling. I believe people can change.

[Yggdrasill]

Or you could just search How to remove a keylogger on google.. It's a much better source to use then wait till tuesday to ask a safety X who may not even know.

[Leprachaun--X]

Yeah well he actually said ex-hacker not hacker. You can't judge hackers as hackers forever, that's called labeling. I believe people can change.

1. Hackers would have been banned anyway.

2. I dont really think Habbo will just forget the fact they hacked another Habbo and stole everything they had very quickly do you?

So please dont give me the whole "people can change thing" because if they did change then I think they would realise this.

Harsh but its how it goes.

[Jordy]

1. Hackers would have been banned anyway.

2. I dont really think Habbo will just forget the fact they hacked another Habbo and stole everything they had very quickly do you?

So please dont give me the whole "people can change thing" because if they did change then I think they would realise this.

Harsh but its how it goes.

It was a good idea and would work in the real world, but unrealistic really :S

[Leprachaun--X]

It was a good idea and would work in the real world, but unrealistic really :S

Yet Habbo is far from real. And tbh if you hacked someone for fun then it shows you dont have the brain capacity to be accepted as an X really.

[Jordy]

And tbh if you hacked someone for fun then it shows you dont have the brain capacity to be accepted as an X really.

People do change I tell you!

[Leprachaun--X]

All im saying is Jordy.

Hacking someone shows you havent got much better to do. And to be honest then you should realise your not going to pass the part of the criteria:

- Must know the Habbo Way forwards and backwards

[le harry]

It will be full of staff + popular people if you get me anyways

[Aitken]

It will be full of staff + popular people if you get me anyways

No staff members where there. :rolleyes: Just safety X's and habbos that wanted to learn about keeping there computer safe.

[JackBuddy]

I think the whole safety x thing is a joke.
Most Habbos will turn up hoping to win a prize and not learning about pc safety. Habbo are better off writing an article tbh, and depending what room it is in, a limited number people can 'learn' about being safe anyway.

[Aitken]

Like the countless articles that they have wrote about scamming and keyloggers? Not everyone reads them.

The whole point in us running these sessions isnt to give out prizes. Its to teach people a wee bit about safety, in the hope that some of them go and download anti-virus softwear, or go out and buy some. Even if 1 person learns what to do in the sessions, i would say that it is a success.

[Yggdrasill]

More people are likely to learn about it from a article on the Habbohotel homepage then a safety session with a room limit.. and you could just use google to search for anti-virus software, so I honestly don't see the point in Safety X sessions at all.



Like the countless articles that they have wrote about scamming and keyloggers? Not everyone reads them.


less people attend the safety sessions then people who read the articles.. as explained above. ^^

[JackBuddy]

Like the countless articles that they have wrote about scamming and keyloggers? Not everyone reads them.

The whole point in us running these sessions isnt to give out prizes. Its to teach people a wee bit about safety, in the hope that some of them go and download anti-virus softwear, or go out and buy some. Even if 1 person learns what to do in the sessions, i would say that it is a success.
I see your point, but that was what the newsie was good for... it had links to different parts of the site.
Habbo just need to make an article, and make a prize answering safety questions. No offence, but the small amount of people who will goto the room will go hoping to win a prize, or see a staff member. I doubt many people will go so they can specifically learn about safety.

[Aitken]

More people are likely to learn about it from a article on the Habbohotel homepage then a safety session with a room limit.. and you could just use google to search for anti-virus software, so I honestly don't see the point in Safety X sessions at all.



less people attend the safety sessions then people who read the articles.. as explained above. ^^

Yes, in some cases i agree with you. We have to remember that habbo has an in-game element as well. Some people dont like reading through these articles. And judging by the numbers that turned up to it, it does look like alot of people didnt know about how to keep there computer safe.

And as you know about safety Tjam, thats why you didnt turn up.


I see your point, but that was what the newsie was good for... it had links to different parts of the site.
Habbo just need to make an article, and make a prize answering safety questions. No offence, but the small amount of people who will goto the room will go hoping to win a prize, or see a staff member. I doubt many people will go so they can specifically learn about safety.

Yeah the newsies where great for that! Thats why i never really understood why they got rid of them.
The safety sessions are not here to give out super rares or anything like that. I decided that i would give people who where listening to the session a prize out of my own collection. And they where asked a question that we had been talking about.

And as i said, if 1 person lernt from it. Im happy.

[Yggdrasill]

Yes, in some cases i agree with you. We have to remember that habbo has an in-game element as well. Some people dont like reading through these articles. And judging by the numbers that turned up to it, it does look like alot of people didnt know about how to keep there computer safe.

And as you know about safety Tjam, thats why you didnt turn up.

but by simply searching ''anti virus'' click the first few things there is, there you have it - you have a anti virus software! or you could wait until tuesday to ask a Safety X who will not know as much as the website has information wise. and plus, will not be as reliable of a source then the information articles and pages on there anti virus software support site.

[Aitken]

Yes, you could do that. Or pop in and see a safety x in the centre at most times. Or go to a habbo x who will message a safety x to come and help you. If everyone just searched that on google there would be no need for any articles or safety x's. I wonder why habbo doesnt just put up on the site 'if you want to keep your pc safe, google 'anti virus'' :rolleyes:

These sites also are not always updated. Ive seen some that have information well over a year old on them.

Basicly, if you new on habbo, or just want to know how to keep your computer safe. Come down on a tuesdays and we will try and teach you about it. =]

[Yggdrasill]

well googling and then clicking the first thing that comes up is much more easier then asking a safety X. Are you sure the people in the session didn't all ready know?

[Pyroka]

Ex-hackers? That would be a silly idea really.

Oh whats that rich Habbo? You want to get rid of a keylogger? Well go on this site <insert site with viruses and keyloggers on here> and download the program to remove them.

Oh shame I just hacked you.

That wont work. Maybe its a good idea to get people who have the skills to help other habbos. Sure they may not have the knowlege of how different hacking programs are useful etc because they havent used them. Thats a good thing.

Its like saying to a criminal who shot 10 people "Could you possibly help us capture people like you?"

Useful maybe. But I doubt they will just deceide to revert their ways.

Watch movies like triple X (or w.e it's called) and fast and the furious.. It's like going undercover just, in a good way. :D I agree though with the googling thing, google will save the world someday you do know.

[Aitken]

Or we could supply take them to an up-to-date site (that we know is 100&#37; safe), and take them step by step through the site and how to get it all updated and downloaded and ready to work.

Some people on habbo still come up to me and dont know what the habbo help tool is. So i think getting them to 'just search on google' is abit careless.

People at the start of the sessions where told what was going to be happening and that if they didnt want to stay they could leave.

[Yggdrasill]

I just searched habbo help tool on google, clicked the first one, and I was asked what I needed help with.. literally took me 4 seconds.

and how do we know the Safety X that is saying it's 100% safe is a lier or not? it's not like your avoiding any situations by asking a Safety X. your creating situations though, using up so much time.

[Pyroka]

Mmm I guess, a site with every single link on what you need would be quite alright also, made by the X's obv. They wouldn't get exactly confused if it had every single link they needed, downloads etc. It'd be like the new hobtech but for the useless. :)

[Yggdrasill]

Hobtech is not that bad, lol.

click below to download.
click here to download. <-- click to download.

click above to download.

[Pyroka]

wer do i click.

[Aitken]

I just searched habbo help tool on google, clicked the first one, and I was asked what I needed help with.. literally took me 4 seconds.

and how do we know the Safety X that is saying it's 100% safe is a lier or not? it's not like your avoiding any situations by asking a Safety X. your creating situations though, using up so much time.


Lol, the safety x's wont lie to habbos about it being safe. They all know what are the safe sites to go to.
I will say that if you think that searching google is the much easyer solution to having the safety x's to help you, then please contact player support. Im sure they will love hearing what you have to say on the matter.

And if you want to carry on our discussion, pm me so we can talk about it more.

[Yggdrasill]

and you know they won't lie because?

[Barmi]

Sorry to stick my head in a bit, but I have a few points. ::

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re Safety Sessions & Google. It's worth noting that Safety Xs are able to digest the information for Habbos. Not all Habbos are as fortunate as some visitors of this forum, and they may not be able to understand any old site they found from Google. Having the information broken up and explained in a far simpler approach is much more useful for younger (or the less technologically astute) Habbos in particular.

If a Habbo learns something they didn't know about, they are likely to ask more questions, to learn more about it. Or heck, they might do individual study and look it up on the web - they have a base grasp of it, and it's much easier for he/she to understand the lingo on the Internet.

Bare in mind that a LARGE proportion of Habbos are not aware of the sheer necessity of computer and Internet safety... and don't realise until it's too late. The sheer presence of the Safety X team highlights this necessity and importance to Habbos that are in the Hotel. A hands-on approach is far more useful than a "fire and forget" method.

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Now, re prizes. A lot of Xs may feel they want to let a few Habbos win some of their personal furni. There is nothing wrong with that - it's great. However, a few people asked in the Infobus if they get anything for turning up. I explained that furni-wise, it's just not feasible. Look why:
10 Habbos per Infobus session. 3 or 4 sessions per hour = ~30-40 Habbos.
3 visits per week = ~90-120 Habbos. Giving out between 90 and 120 prizes is just not reasonable, especially when you take into account the regularity of Hotel events and the events the eXperts run.

My answer to the "what do we get" question was quite simple: "you get as much as you take from it". The more you ask, the more you learn. The more you learn, the more you take away with you. People can be quick to judge such sessions, but you need to see who it is aimed at. If you are relatively technologically astute, the Safety Sessions may not be for you - but you could always ask a question for your benefit too. Many Habbos are not aware of the dangers facing their (Windows) computer, and the dangers facing them on the Internet. It doesn't matter the number of Habbos that are included in that group. It could be thousands, it could be hundreds - but as long as some Habbos benefit, it is worthwhile.

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re trust. At the end of the day, it is up to the Habbo to decide whether they are going to trust the Safety X's information or not. The Safety X team was chosen to pass on their useful stellar advice, so it would be a shame to ignore it. Habbo Xs and Safety Xs are expected not to lie as a matter of basic principle. It's rude, it's deceitful, and portrays a bad image. You don't know the person you are talking to is not going to lie. You rely on the judgement of Hotel Staff.

De-railing the thread (which is about the Safety Sessions) to debate about the structure of the Safety X team is pointless IMO.. and Aitken's right in saying it shout take place via PM. At the end of the day, these Safety Sessions are put on for the benefit of Habbos. If there is a problem (or you have a SUGGESTION) with the Safety Sessions, the Safety eXpert team or a single Safety X, use the Habbo Help Tool and the Player Support staff will pass the message on to the relevant person(s).

Now I can go and eat that chinese that smells so so so so good!! <3

[JackBuddy]

Watch movies like triple X (or w.e it's called) and fast and the furious.. It's like going undercover just, in a good way. :D I agree though with the googling thing, google will save the world someday you do know.
Ryan, I know what you mean. On some crime programmes you get ex-burglars etc giving out advice.

I think hobtech needs to make a return, but isn't it owned by Callie?

[Pyroka]

Mmm it is, and when I last spoken to her which was like ages ago I think she hates Habbo now, or at least the staff. Yeah we should have a Habbo crimewatch pmsl, hosted by Merf and Lerf *grins* I'd find that rather interesting actually.. Taking notes Lerf? :)

I say just get a new Hobtech, owned by the Habbo X's/Safety X's. Habbo Hotel is begging for one, especially after the departure of Hobtech (although I think the 'think-help.co.uk' is starting to do things like this, despite it's down I think).

[Yggdrasill]

hobtech hasn't gone..

[JackBuddy]

Mmm it is, and when I last spoken to her which was like ages ago I think she hates Habbo now, or at least the staff. Yeah we should have a Habbo crimewatch pmsl, hosted by Merf and Lerf *grins* I'd find that rather interesting actually.. Taking notes Lerf? :)

I say just get a new Hobtech, owned by the Habbo X's/Safety X's. Habbo Hotel is begging for one, especially after the departure of Hobtech (although I think the 'think-help.co.uk' is starting to do things like this, despite it's down I think).
I think members of the techteam would be better.

[lScottl]

We at Hobtech have not closed down to my understanding :)