KFC demo

[LeftForDead]

Hey, if u in mboro or near come to this please? you get a discount on everything left for dead also it helps boycott KFC:)
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y183/TealArms/KFCprotestbanenrcopy.jpg

[stratosphere]

Strange, I'm planning to have KFC later today O_o

[le harry]

Your trying to take down KFC..?

[clarissa !!]

yum kfc [;

[Hurts]

I had that yesterday, was very nice :D

[Barkseh2131]

is this serious lol

[le harry]

KFC has so much saturatedfat in it ;)

[Ry]

The cruelty those chickens suffer is disgusting, although i still would eat a kfc, like yesterday for example. :(:O

[stratosphere]

It looks serious :S

[Browney]

Mm. Chicken.

[Barkseh2131]

where is mml

[FlyingJesus]

Balls to the chickens, and all other animals. My hunger satisfaction is more important than their suffering, and they don't even feel pain anyway.

[Dentafrice♥]

i agree, poor animals

[le harry]

Balls to the chickens, and all other animals. My hunger satisfaction is more important than their suffering, and they don't even feel pain anyway.

That's the way Tom rolls :8

[Jordie]

kfc tonite for me:)

[Dentafrice♥]

but, i'm going to help out by explaning my situation, chicken's and other animal's are cute, and kfc, and all other people are slautering them for our food, and i for one feel sorry

[You]

Balls to the chickens, and all other animals. My hunger satisfaction is more important than their suffering, and they don't even feel pain anyway.
Lmao :8

[le harry]

but, i'm going to help out by explaning my situation, chicken's and other animal's are cute, and kfc, and all other people are slautering them for our food, and i for one feel sorry

Would you rather the entire world go without chicken just because you think they are cute. Your 11 arn't you? So you wouldn't understand yet ;)

[Browney]

Balls to the chickens, and all other animals. My hunger satisfaction is more important than their suffering, and they don't even feel pain anyway.

Tom for PM.

[FlyingJesus]

Tom for PM.

I can run for it in 4 years.

[le harry]

Tom, you won't do it, your scared.

[FlyingJesus]

Look at my default MySpace pic, then tell me who's scared.

[le harry]

Your scared.

:)

[Eamonn]

LMAO
I love KFC, had it on friday hmm popcorn CHICKEN (:

[Browney]

I can run for it in 4 years.

I just think you'll handle the press well.

"Balls to Iraq..."

[FlyingJesus]

I just think you'll handle the press well.

"Balls to Iraq..."

lol it would be excellent. I can imagine it now:

"Mr. Prime Minister, can you explain please why four years after Blair's resignation we are still holding troops in Iraq?"

"No I'm hungry, get out my way."

[le harry]

lol it would be excellent. I can imagine it now:

"Mr. Prime Minister, can you explain please why four years after Blair's resignation we are still holding troops in Iraq?"

"No I'm hungry, get out my way."

Anyone else saying it would not be funny ;)

[England]

yum kfc [;
i fort u was a vegi?

[clarissa !!]

i fort u was a vegi?
nope, never been a vegi.

[womanizer]

some of us were gonna dress up as chickens and hold banners outside our local kfc.. but we didnt get round to it :(

[le harry]

i was a vegi for 3 years =]

[MattyBoy]

Im eating a kfc now, only relising there is some blood inside, still nice though.

[LeftForDead]

Hey, erm ye it is serious if you goto www.kentuckyfriedcruelty.com (http://www.kentuckyfriedcruelty.com) then you will see that it is true, I agree with some people it does taste nice, but the torture the chickens, imagine u were in a room stood on **** and poo upto ur knees, ur about 4 - 6 years old and know no one, u have a broken leg and no beak, ur being fed so many drugs that ur body grows so quick and fast that ur arms and legs break meaning that u cant move to eat or drink. Then if u do get through that, ur hung upside down and then someone slits ur throught, missing the two arteris(sp) that would kill u if they were cut. Then ur put into boiling hot water still alive then u will most probly die.
Now that aint nice is it?
they could treat them better but wont!

[FlyingJesus]

Hey, erm ye it is serious if you goto www.kentuckyfriedcruelty.com (http://www.kentuckyfriedcruelty.com) then you will see that it is true, I agree with some people it does taste nice, but the torture the chickens, imagine u were in a room stood on **** and poo upto ur knees, ur about 4 - 6 years old and know no one, u have a broken leg and no beak, ur being fed so many drugs that ur body grows so quick and fast that ur arms and legs break meaning that u cant move to eat or drink. Then if u do get through that, ur hung upside down and then someone slits ur throught, missing the two arteris(sp) that would kill u if they were cut. Then ur put into boiling hot water still alive then u will most probly die.
Now that aint nice is it?
they could treat them better but wont!

Oh shi- I HAVE NO BEAK?

[dirrty]

i had kfc today :)

[LeftForDead]

Oh shi- I HAVE NO BEAK?
ye, they cut off ur beak

[GommeInc]

Considering I am a human being, and a chicken is a chicken, the chances of the chicken caring like we would is very low, very very low. I hate KFC, gave me food poisoning and it was awful, never been that sick before.

[efq]

nofnx kfc is yum :]]]

[Ashhizzle]

Lets go stab him for being so stupid

[FlyingJesus]

ye, they cut off ur beak

omg what will i do without my beak

[:Liam]

Hey, erm ye it is serious if you goto www.kentuckyfriedcruelty.com (http://www.kentuckyfriedcruelty.com) then you will see that it is true, I agree with some people it does taste nice, but the torture the chickens, imagine u were in a room stood on **** and poo upto ur knees, ur about 4 - 6 years old and know no one, u have a broken leg and no beak, ur being fed so many drugs that ur body grows so quick and fast that ur arms and legs break meaning that u cant move to eat or drink. Then if u do get through that, ur hung upside down and then someone slits ur throught, missing the two arteris(sp) that would kill u if they were cut. Then ur put into boiling hot water still alive then u will most probly die.
Now that aint nice is it?
they could treat them better but wont!
What KFC Did was banned years ago, they dont do that anymore.

[LeftForDead]

What KFC Did was banned years ago, they dont do that anymore.
no it isnt!, how come there has JUST been a new investigation realised?
its banned to cats and dogs.


omg what will i do without my beak
starve?

[FlyingJesus]

Why do you even care? You're not a chicken, you don't feel the pain. If you don't like slaughter then never move again, because whenever you do you inevitably kill a load of bacteria and small creatures that you can't even see.

MURDERER.

[LeftForDead]

Why do you even care? You're not a chicken, you don't feel the pain. If you don't like slaughter then never move again, because whenever you do you inevitably kill a load of bacteria and small creatures that you can't even see.

MURDERER.
how can u call me that when ur doing that and supporting them?:S

also i know that they will feel pain at some point, but they can cut it down. If u looked at the content on that site then u will see that it doesnt need to be like that and it can be better, it used to be like that with Maccy d's. They dont do that anymore, Pizza hut that is owned by the same company as KFC dont do it.

[Ashley 12344]

I hate KFC, to the stage I don't eat it, not protests.

It doesn't agree with me.

[Shawnstra]

I'd think you + a few others can't take down KFC. Its yummy anyway :P

Although its cruel, there is nothing we can do about it anyway. Besides, I thought they changed their way of slaughtering chickens ;)

[FlyingJesus]

how can u call me that when ur doing that and supporting them?:S

also i know that they will feel pain at some point, but they can cut it down. If u looked at the content on that site then u will see that it doesnt need to be like that and it can be better, it used to be like that with Maccy d's. They dont do that anymore, Pizza hut that is owned by the same company as KFC dont do it.

You misunderstand. I was saying that you complaining about chickens is about as relevant as me complaining that you kill microbes whenever you take a step.

Animals do not feel pain.

[Ekalb]

Animals do not feel pain.

That's a pretty big call.
I'm an animal. I can feel pain. Dogs whimper when they are bumped (one example).

You need to realise there is a thing called a food chain. Chickens already outnumber humans and we need to control the population. We might as well eat them since they taste nice. It's human nature. I can assure you that when one chicken dies at least one more is born.

[Papershop]

Animals do not feel pain.

How can you justify that? From what ive read your one of the most self centred person ive ever met. Just because where not chickens doesnt means we have rights to cause animal cruelty, because in no way shape or form are we infeiroir to them.

And yes, this industry will never stop, people like meat and always will do so theyre will always be a market for that sort of stuff. Its just we have to cut down on the amount of meat we eat, and eat other things in its place so that are diet doesnt become unbalanced.

Edited by Ry (Forum Moderator): Please don't be rude.

[FlyingJesus]

That's a pretty big call.
I'm an animal. I can feel pain. Dogs whimper when they are bumped (one example).

Ok I'll rephrase. Animals other than humans do not have the brain capacity to understand pain. What they feel is just that something unnatural is happening, and they react in an instinctual way. We do the same (until we learn to control ourselves better) but we understand that it's pain.


How can you justify that? From what ive read your one of the most self centred person ive ever met. Just because where not chickens doesnt means we have rights to cause animal cruelty, because in no way shape or form are we infeiroir to them.

And yes, this industry will never stop, people like meat and always will do so theyre will always be a market for that sort of stuff. Its just we have to cut down on the amount of meat we eat, and eat other things in its place so that are diet doesnt become unbalanced.

Edited by Ry (Forum Moderator): Please don't be rude.

Yes I'm self-centred, and I don't think we have the right to cause pain to animals just because we're not chickens, I think that we as humans (and therefore natural predators) have the perfect and natural right to kill for food. Our diets are far more balanced in terms of meat intake now than, say, the Edwardian period, and in fact we're doing pretty well. There's no need to cut down.

[LeftForDead]

IM SAYING CUT THE TORTURE NOT THE SLAUGTER

[Ezzie.]

Bwahhahahaha

Ahh this thread is funny, animal rights people who don't have a clue what they're talking about, and anti- animal rights who also don't have a clue..

Priceless..

But i'll stay out of this argument as I don't want to ruin my rep over the internet :(

[Papershop]

I think that we as humans (and therefore natural predators) have the perfect and natural right to kill for food. Our diets are far more balanced in terms of meat intake now than, say, the Edwardian period, and in fact we're doing pretty well. There's no need to cut down.
But how can you justify that. Get me if im wrong, but it is the humans who made up this "natural preditor" theory.

[font]

McDonalds and Burger King ftw :P

Oh yah, on discussion...

Some of those pics on the site were horrid :( Thanks for that.

[cocaine]

Oh shi- I HAVE NO BEAK?

LMAOOO

are you actually gonna do that protest?

[FlyingJesus]

But how can you justify that. Get me if im wrong, but it is the humans who made up this "natural preditor" theory.

How can anyone claim we're not natural predators? We're built like predators, and we kill animals to eat.

[Papershop]

Not that is what you were brought up believeing

Get it right

[FlyingJesus]

rofl so you believe that we evolved to have teeth and organs capable of eating and digesting meat easily just for the fun of it?

Also, in your previous post, you seem to be suggesting the possibility that someone other than a human could come up with a theory. Do enlighten me as to who, other than humans, has ever come up with any theories?

[Browney]

I was gonna say that how can you deny that we are predators? We catch and kill animals. Isn't that being a predator?

[Ezzie.]

rofl so you believe that we evolved to have teeth and organs capable of eating and digesting meat easily just for the fun of it?

Also, in your previous post, you seem to be suggesting the possibility that someone other than a human could come up with a theory. Do enlighten me as to who, other than humans, has ever come up with any theories?

I told myself not to get into this...

but OMNIVORE.. can mean, most of meat, a little of vegetables, or a little of meat and most vegetables, etc etc.

Some theorise that our teeth (which are pretty pathetic for ripping through raw meat) were designed as a survival mechanism for when vegetation was scarce: thus we ate other animals and coincidentally to most meat tasted nice and became a common delicacy. You're also going upon the theory that nature intends for things to happen.

Animals can theorise to some aspect too, where apes opening doors and using team work (note: theese weren't trained animals in the experiment) but they learnt to work as a team to open the door to get to the food: thus some theorising must have taken place to trigger the reaction to work as a team, this is all on a primal level though but to assume that only humans have a consciousness is arrogant to say the least.

Also in an earlier post you mentioned that animals have pain as a survival mechanism, yes that's true, but so do we and alas pain is pain, it hurts, a fish can feel more pain than a human because of the higher sensitive nerves.

You say humans have a higher understanding of pain but when it comes down to your life being threatened you revert to the same primal instinct to either fight or flee.

As the yanks say: my two cents :eusa_whis

[2hd.]

rofl so you believe that we evolved to have teeth and organs capable of eating and digesting meat easily just for the fun of it?

Also, in your previous post, you seem to be suggesting the possibility that someone other than a human could come up with a theory. Do enlighten me as to who, other than humans, has ever come up with any theories?

You'd be surprised how smart Elmer the Elephant (http://www.andersenpress.co.uk/_images_elmer/elmer_main.jpg) was.

tbh, I don't see why it's so 'wrong' to kill animals. And as for chickens having rights, it's not like you care that much.

Ask yourself, do you go to bed thinking, OH GOD THOOZZ POOR CHKENS and wake up thinking about them? I doubt you do. You're too busy thinking about you/your friends/family. Face it, you don't really care. If you care, you'd be outside the warehouses campainging in every second you had, not just the odd weekend.

[LeftForDead]

You'd be surprised how smart Elmer the Elephant (http://www.andersenpress.co.uk/_images_elmer/elmer_main.jpg) was.

tbh, I don't see why it's so 'wrong' to kill animals. And as for chickens having rights, it's not like you care that much.

Ask yourself, do you go to bed thinking, OH GOD THOOZZ POOR CHKENS and wake up thinking about them? I doubt you do. You're too busy thinking about you/your friends/family. Face it, you don't really care. If you care, you'd be outside the warehouses campainging in every second you had, not just the odd weekend.

erm actually, im not against that im against torture.
and this aint the odd weekend its actually more than you think, im promoting this one more cos there is gonna be thousands of people there

[Kingzy]

erm actually, im not against that im against torture.
and this aint the odd weekend its actually more than you think, im promoting this one more cos there is gonna be thousands of people there

:l You just really made it sound like you're even more of someone who doesn't even know what's going on,

I'm sorry, but if you say it's 'not just an odd weekend' and 'thousands of people are going to be there' it's less than an odd weekend, you don't really care, you must be just a follower.

Once again, I'm sorry if this is rude but you'd be suprised at how much of this you don't actually care about.

k.

[LeftForDead]

:l You just really made it sound like you're even more of someone who doesn't even know what's going on,

I'm sorry, but if you say it's 'not just an odd weekend' and 'thousands of people are going to be there' it's less than an odd weekend, you don't really care, you must be just a follower.

Once again, I'm sorry if this is rude but you'd be suprised at how much of this you don't actually care about.

k.
yes cos organising it makes me a follow8-)

[stratosphere]

What do you mean "organising it"?

[LeftForDead]

What do you mean "organising it"?
like, getting all the things needed for it, and people.

[Luckyrare]

I think KFC tastes crap: its fatty, grissly and crap taste.

This may of been posted but kentuckyfriedcruelty.com put me off even more, theres no point of treating anything like that before you kill it, its awful. If you look at the videos and you are happy with them treating animals like that your sick.

[Sammeth.]

I think KFC tastes crap: its fatty, grissly and crap taste.

This may of been posted but kentuckyfriedcruelty.com put me off even more, theres no point of treating anything like that before you kill it, its awful. If you look at the videos and you are happy with them treating animals like that your sick.
KFC makes me sick. In the literal sense. Everytime I eat their food, I just really do feel sick. I dont know what it is. Thats my two cents.

I agree that animals shouldnt be mistreated or killed in an inhumane way, but hell - we've gotta eat!

[Invent]

I'm boycotting KFC myself as I'm against the cruelty the factories put the Chickens through.

I know the factories in the UK are ok, but in factories over-seas the laws are different and the staff in the factories are allowed to kill the chickens by even throwing them at the walls or stamping on them; how can you justify that?

If enough people do stop eating KFC they will enforce stronger rules towards staff to prevent the torture the chickens are being put through. Just because other people aren't boycotting KFC isn't a reason not for you too.

Oh and just so you know, I'm not against the killing of animals for food. But I am against the inhumane methods the staff at KFC use to torture the chickens to death.

[Ed.]

so what are u gnna do to kfc exactly?

[[Chris]]

mmmm chicken

we kill chickens, dogs kill cats, cats kill birds, birds kill worms and worms kill the small "its" in the ground

you honestly wont make no impact at all, sorry

[stratosphere]

If a fox kills a chicken, will you kill the fox?

[Sammeth.]

mmmm chicken

we kill chickens, dogs kill cats, cats kill birds, birds kill worms and worms kill the small "its" in the ground

you honestly wont make no impact at all, sorry

You make it sound like dogs kill cats to eat them :s

[[Chris]]

If a fox kills a chicken, will you kill the fox?


You make it sound like dogs kill cats to eat them :s

its not supposed to be a real food chain :P

well, i guess you get the drift. different things eat different things and we eat other things. its nature

[LeftForDead]

mmmm chicken

we kill chickens, dogs kill cats, cats kill birds, birds kill worms and worms kill the small "its" in the ground

you honestly wont make no impact at all, sorry

So 80 KFC's being closed isnt a impact?

and also if u were clever enough to actually read then u would know im against the torture not the killing

[[Chris]]

So 80 KFC's being closed isnt a impact?

and also if u were clever enough to actually read then u would know im against the torture not the killing

well, im so sorry. people were talking about killing them. they die in the end, most restruants kill them in a humane way now anyway. KFC has proved somewhere that they dont "torture" them - and like i said in my nice little -rep to realise that the part about killing wasnt directed at you, only the no impact bit. there are more than 80 kfcs, i have even seen them in egypt and japan

thnaks for the green +rep btw ;)

[LeftForDead]

well, im so sorry. people were talking about killing them. they die in the end, most restruants kill them in a humane way now anyway. KFC has proved somewhere that they dont "torture" them - and like i said in my nice little -rep to realise that the part about killing wasnt directed at you, only the no impact bit. there are more than 80 kfcs, i have even seen them in egypt and japan

thnaks for the green +rep btw ;)

What are u on about?:s
80 kfcs have been shut down due to not making enough due to boycotting.

and np, before u think that i ment to - rep u i didnt, i belive in rewards rather then taking things away, but dw i can get urs removed as it was a rep back:P

[FlyingJesus]

If a fox kills a chicken, will you kill the fox?

Yeah if I can eat it.

[Ezzie.]

Pfft I see noone replied to my previous post, was hoping to have an intelligent conversation!

*feels rejected*

[Papershop]

rofl so you believe that we evolved to have teeth and organs capable of eating and digesting meat easily just for the fun of it?

Also, in your previous post, you seem to be suggesting the possibility that someone other than a human could come up with a theory. Do enlighten me as to who, other than humans, has ever come up with any theories?

We evolved to have teeth to chew the meat because we were brought up thinkin that that is what you do.

And like what other post, you make things up

[Mentor]

Hey, if u in mboro or near come to this please? you get a discount on everything left for dead also it helps boycott KFC:)
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y183/TealArms/KFCprotestbanenrcopy.jpg

I think ill prefer my KFC, hanging around with idiots who cant tell the difference between staged propaganda and reality doesn't really appeal to me.. nore does crappy apparel.

[Papershop]

I think ill prefer my KFC, hanging around with idiots who cant tell the difference between stadges properganda and realty doesnt really appeal to me.. nore does crapy apparal.
Ok then, well we'll electiricute you, hang u by your feet, slit your main artery, scald u, pluck you, and then eat you, and then perhaps then you can tell us how you feel?

[Mentor]

Ok then, well we'll electiricute you, hang u by your feet, slit your main artery, scald u, pluck you, and then eat you, and then perhaps then you can tell us how you feel?
Yea, i have no idea how id feel... how would i feel if you killed me... humm i wonder... Dead?

Also im not entirely sure what importances most of that is, after somethings dead who give a **** what you do to it... and its dead by the end of the first step? Once im dead my bodys probably off to have whatever useful organs there are exstracted and the rest given to medical science, and if they dont want it, feed it to the dog for all i care.

Plus i hope you plan on eating me, or you just wasted a load of good organs and blood that could have saved alot of lives.

ps. How exactly do you plan on plucking me?

[Sammeth.]

We are top of the food chain. End of. I dont agree with the way the chickens are treated, but we have to eat, and thats that. When you say "And then we'll eat you" makes it sound like you think eating the chicken is the bad thing. I thought this thread was about the way they were treated?

[Ezzie.]

Bwahhahahaha

Ahh this thread is funny, animal rights people who don't have a clue what they're talking about, and anti- animal rights who also don't have a clue..

Priceless..

But i'll stay out of this argument as I don't want to ruin my rep over the internet :(


I told myself not to get into this...

but OMNIVORE.. can mean, most of meat, a little of vegetables, or a little of meat and most vegetables, etc etc.

Some theorise that our teeth (which are pretty pathetic for ripping through raw meat) were designed as a survival mechanism for when vegetation was scarce: thus we ate other animals and coincidentally to most meat tasted nice and became a common delicacy. You're also going upon the theory that nature intends for things to happen.

Animals can theorise to some aspect too, where apes opening doors and using team work (note: theese weren't trained animals in the experiment) but they learnt to work as a team to open the door to get to the food: thus some theorising must have taken place to trigger the reaction to work as a team, this is all on a primal level though but to assume that only humans have a consciousness is arrogant to say the least.

Also in an earlier post you mentioned that animals have pain as a survival mechanism, yes that's true, but so do we and alas pain is pain, it hurts, a fish can feel more pain than a human because of the higher sensitive nerves.

You say humans have a higher understanding of pain but when it comes down to your life being threatened you revert to the same primal instinct to either fight or flee.

As the yanks say: my two cents :eusa_whis



my opinion on the matter, was on last post of a page so :(

Also, to the animal cruelty protestors on this thread, get your facts right first >_> Yes a lot of the stuff goes on like what you've posted, but it is a rare occasion a chicken survives if it's throat has been slit..

Also they cut the ends of the beaks off with a hot branding type of machine, it stops them pecking each other to death- alot more painfull than having the end of the beak cut off (yes I know the beak is very sensitive but think of 10 beaks slowing slashing you to death- would be alot of pain)

I don't agree with factory farming, and I agree that it's cruel, but please get your facts right before you start spouting off on a forum where dudes like entor will just rip you apart for your inconsistencies.

[Papershop]

Yea, i have no idea how id feel... how would i feel if you killed me... humm i wonder... Dead?

Also im not entirely sure what importances most of that is, after somethings dead who give a **** what you do to it... and its dead by the end of the first step? Once im dead my bodys probably off to have whatever useful organs there are exstracted and the rest given to medical science, and if they dont want it, feed it to the dog for all i care.

Plus i hope you plan on eating me, or you just wasted a load of good organs and blood that could have saved alot of lives.

ps. How exactly do you plan on plucking me?

And how would you know, im sure youve been dead like 10 times already, obv ;l

[Sammeth.]

And how would you know, im sure youve been dead like 10 times already, obv ;l

If he had been killed as in...his life had perished...of course he would be DEAD!

[Papershop]

read before you post please

[Sammeth.]

read before you post please
Obviously I misunderstood, but I cant see any other way to interpret it...

[FlyingJesus]

We evolved to have teeth to chew the meat because we were brought up thinkin that that is what you do.

And like what other post, you make things up

But how can you justify that. Get me if im wrong, but it is the humans who made up this "natural preditor" theory.

That one. Of course humans made up the theory, no-one else could.

And sorry dear but evolution doesn't happen because we're told to do stuff lol. That's like saying we should all be superb innate mathematicians because our ancestors were taught maths. Your arguments are all flawed.

Ezzie, sorry I didn't reply to yours :P but even if we weren't originally predators, I don't think there's much of an argument to say that we're not now. Also, I'm not entirely sure on this so do correct me if I'm wrong but I always thought that wisdom teeth (which we as a species are outgrowing now) were originally for tearing at raw meat - hence why they're now not something that everyone has, because we no longer eat raw meats. Similarly (although really.. conversely), it's been theorised that the appendix was used to help digest leaves and other vegetation, which seems to further your idea of our ancient ancestors eating mainly plants. So god knows where science and evolution were going with them.

edit:


read before you post please

Learn before you post please.

[Papershop]

Well he reckons he knows what it feels like once your dead.
And i dont plan to give self centred people what they want FJ

[Sammeth.]

Well he reckons he knows what it feels like once your dead.
Ah well, to be honest, I guess we all know really. If you are dead and your brain has shut down we cant physically or mentally feel anything.

[Mentor]

And how would you know, im sure youve been dead like 10 times already, obv ;l
So your telling me i wouldn't know when im dead? well actually thats quite accurate, i wouldn't know anything.. why BECAUSE IM BLOODY DEAD. as is the chicken in this case.

The egyptians were far crueler to there kings than kfc are to the chickens if you can still feel when your dead (how your alive and feeling when dead i dont know, but you seem to think somehow we are), The chickens dont have the brains ripped out threw there noses as they did.

Ezzie: actualy your being confused by more propaganda's, chickens dont have particularly sencative beaks, like most pecking animals, the end of there beak is comprised of hard dead tissue. Its only in animals like ducks, which use the bill for feeling for things where the beak is sensative. Maybe people should read up on bills a bit more, wikipedia is a good start?

[Ezzie.]

That one. Of course humans made up the theory, no-one else could.

And sorry dear but evolution doesn't happen because we're told to do stuff lol. That's like saying we should all be superb innate mathematicians because our ancestors were taught maths. Your arguments are all flawed.

He's a muppet- he puts us hippies to shame :@


Ezzie, sorry I didn't reply to yours :P but even if we weren't originally predators, I don't think there's much of an argument to say that we're not now. Also, I'm not entirely sure on this so do correct me if I'm wrong but I always thought that wisdom teeth (which we as a species are outgrowing now) were originally for tearing at raw meat - hence why they're now not something that everyone has, because we no longer eat raw meats. Similarly (although really.. conversely), it's been theorised that the appendix was used to help digest leaves and other vegetation, which seems to further your idea of our ancient ancestors eating mainly plants. So god knows where science and evolution were going with them.



No problem man, not too sure on wisdom teeth, theyre near the back of the mouth- thus chewing meat= higher risk of choking- mother natures **** ups :P

Yeah, the theory goes, that the appendix was used to consume grass and leaves- although grass/leaves has a lack of nutrients it's plentifull so it must have been a good survival aspect when vegetation was scarce and possibly other animals were scarce (such as drought etc)


edit:



Learn before you post please.

I'd link him to www.dictionary.com whilst you're at it ;)

[Papershop]

I dont think, im just suggesting, its just you seem to think that your answer is 100% correct

[FlyingJesus]

Well he reckons he knows what it feels like once your dead.
And i dont plan to give self centred people what they want FJ

rofl, so when you're dead you still feel stuff? If that's the case then let whatever happens to dead bodies happen, because naturally rotting can't be a pleasant experience. While we're at it, let's legalise necrophilia so the dead can have some nice sensations too.

Also, me being self-centred has nothing to do with this debate. Whilst it's true that everything I do is for me (and by the way, I believe that everything ANYONE does is for themselves), that doesn't make my facts and/or opinions any less relevant.

[Mentor]

I dont think, im just suggesting, its just you seem to think that your answer is 100% correct
Dead = brain stops functioning.

Brain = Has mental states

Mental states = Pain, happyness, joy (emotions) + immpressions (things we see expernece.

If brain dont work. it dont have mental states. hence brain isnt feeling pain or anything else, as that feeling is what mental states are, and brain has to be alive for it to have them.

Comprendy?

[Papershop]

and by the way, I believe that everything ANYONE does is for themselves
So if i pour my brother a drink, how is that for myself, please explain cos im kind of confused :S

[Ezzie.]

Ezzie: actualy your being confused by more propaganda's, chickens dont have particularly sencative beaks, like most pecking animals, the end of there beak is comprised of hard dead tissue. Its only in animals like ducks, which use the bill for feeling for things where the beak is sensative. Maybe people should read up on bills a bit more, wikipedia is a good start?

I'm pretty positive chickens use their beaks for foraging - basically using their beaks as their "hands" per say



Pain of debeaking

The pain is comparable to having a human fingernail removed by the quick of the nail; it is acute, yet brief and after a few minutes the bird behaves normally. It is essentially an amputation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amputation) and carries many of the same symptoms that happen in human amputations. For example, leading animal welfare expert Dr. Ian Duncan states that: “There is now good morphological, neurophysiological and behavioural evidence that beak trimming leads to both acute and chronic pain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronic_pain).”[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debeaking#_note-0)
No amputation is 100% successful and neuromas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroma) can occur if the procedure is not done correctly; the temperature of the blade, the angle of the cut and the age of the bird especially, are all factors in a successful debeaking. Research from 1996 showed that micro-neuromas were present in all beaks of a moderately trimmed population after 10 weeks, but after 70 weeks all neuromas had disappeared. After several weeks the nerve fibers of the beak simply regrow and the neuroma regresses. These neuromas had been assumed to indicate chronic pain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronic_pain) in early studies, but the fact that these neuromas resolve over time means that the pain is not chronic (by definition).



Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debeaking#Pain_of_debeaking


States that it is the similar pain to have a fingernail ripped out- painful but goes within minutes, thus a chickens beak is sensitive.


Problem goes when debeaking isn't performed correctly =

[FlyingJesus]

So if i pour my brother a drink, how is that for myself, please explain cos im kind of confused :S

Either as a sense of duty, or because YOU care for your brother, or because it makes YOU feel good to help someone.

edit: this is off topic and more about psychology/anthropology/sociology or something, so leave this point for now. Question it in a new thread if you really must.

[Papershop]

Dead = brain stops functioning.

Brain = Has mental states

Mental states = Pain, happyness, joy (emotions) + immpressions (things we see expernece.

If brain dont work. it dont have mental states. hence brain isnt feeling pain or anything else, as that feeling is what mental states are, and brain has to be alive for it to have them.

Comprendy?


I understand what your saying, but thiers other ways to think about it.
And personally i just think that killing an animal for us to eat is just out of pure selfishness, especially when thier are other alternatives to meat.

[Papershop]

Either as a sense of duty, or because YOU care for your brother, or because it makes YOU feel good to help someone.

edit: this is off topic and more about psychology/anthropology/sociology or something, so leave this point for now. Question it in a new thread if you really must.

I dont think none of those things when im pouring my brother a drink sorry

[Sammeth.]

I love the new Big Brother house...
http://i15.tinypic.com/61xtuf4.jpg

On a more ontopic note, there is no REAL substitute for the vitamins etc etc that we get from meat. Quorn doesn't offer you that much, just the taste and texture really. Plus its artificial, which means its going to be worse for you. I would stick to meat thanks.

[Ezzie.]

On a more ontopic note, there is no REAL substitute for the vitamins etc etc that we get from meat. Quorn doesn't offer you that much, just the taste and texture really. Plus its artificial, which means its going to be worse for you. I would stick to meat thanks.

Wahoooo, because vegetables have no vitamins/minerals in right..
oh wait..

only thing that is hard to get without meat is vitamin b12 which isn't needed barely anytime anyway, as the more you consume the less is used ;)

[Papershop]

infact no wait, u can buy b12 straight from ebay
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/100-VITAMIN-B12-cell-replication-anaemia_W0QQitemZ280116143319QQihZ018QQcategoryZ10 1965QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[Sammeth.]

Wahoooo, because vegetables have no vitamins/minerals in right..
oh wait..

only thing that is hard to get without meat is vitamin b12 which isn't needed barely anytime anyway, as the more you consume the less is used ;)

Vegetables arent really a substitute for meat, as they are two completley different things. You eat vegetables with meat. So if you replace meat with more vegetables....thats not replacing meat or a substitute for it...thats extra helpings. A substitute is something that can replicate what its replacing. So no, Vegetables arent a substitute or an alternative to meat.

[Papershop]

as i said before, quorn is the substitute, u can get your other needed vitamins from the vegtables

[Ezzie.]

Vegetables arent really a substitute for meat, as they are two completley different things. You eat vegetables with meat. So if you replace meat with more vegetables....thats not replacing meat or a substitute for it...thats extra helpings. A substitute is something that can replicate what its replacing. So no, Vegetables arent a substitute or an alternative to meat.

Or possibly think out of the box and not eat meat?

Good lord.. :eusa_wall

Eat meat if you like but seriously.. think abit harder next time what you're saying, vegetables are vegetables, meat is meat, you can eat both or just vegetables, eating just meat isn't very healthy unless you ate it raw and ate the bones/organs etc too which many people don't do.

[Sammeth.]

Or possibly think out of the box and not eat meat?

Good lord.. :eusa_wall

Eat meat if you like but seriously.. think abit harder next time what you're saying, vegetables are vegetables, meat is meat, you can eat both or just vegetables, eating just meat isn't very healthy unless you ate it raw and ate the bones/organs etc too which many people don't do.

When did I ever say eat just meat? :S

[Ezzie.]

When did I ever say eat just meat? :S


Eurgh.. Seriously..

I can't be bothered >_> refer to the vegetarian topic in food and drink.

Intellectual posts please :eusa_wall

[Sammeth.]

Eurgh.. Seriously..

I can't be bothered >_> refer to the vegetarian topic in food and drink.

Intellectual posts please :eusa_wall

You quoted my post as you argued against my risen points. One of the arguements was that "Eating just meat isnt healthy". The post you quoted never said that...so thats why I was a tad confused there chappy ;)

[Ezzie.]

what you said was quite frankly stupid though.. vegetables are no substitute for meat, what about meat is no substitute for vegetables?

Can we move on please ^_^

Thanks for the bad rep by the way Sammeth, I questioned your stupidity and you affirmed my questioning, thankyou ;)

[Mentor]

I understand what your saying, but thiers other ways to think about it.
And personally i just think that killing an animal for us to eat is just out of pure selfishness, especially when thier are other alternatives to meat.
Well there are other ways you can think about it, but those ways are wrong. This is an issue of fact, dead by definition requires someone in that state to be dead. How ever you may think death happens, once it has, the person is gone along with the abilty to feel and think.

Secondly, the B12 argument usually comes from the vegetarian side as a straw man, Since B12 doesn't come from meat, its instead produced by a bacteria that lives within some animals, hence is then present in meat. It can also be obtained in a number of different ways.

Meat is needed for a healthy diet, you can live without meat, but not as healthily as you would with it. Meat provides far higher quality proteans than substitutes as well as a single source of nutrients we can easily digest.

On a singular food eating diet, meat is infact the healthiest, more healthy than just eating vegetables. But only when the meat in question is fish, which is better for humans than any other food source, we are highly adapted for eating fish, are noes are a testament to that.
High fish eaters are the healthiest portion of society. For maximum health though a balanced diet consisting of both meat and veg is requred.. where naturally omnivorous after all.

BUT, this debate isnt about vegetarianism, its about KFC, which theres nothing wrong with in my opinion.

[Sammeth.]

what you said was quite frankly stupid though.. vegetables are no substitute for meat, what about meat is no substitute for vegetables?

Can we move on please ^_^

I think you misinterpretated what I said.

[Ezzie.]

Entor I sort of agree with you *ahhh shock*

But the overfarming/pollution of the seas kind of put me off fish =/

ps: I do not agree that meat is more healthier: but alas it's a different discussion and one that I've had too many times

[Mentor]

Entor I sort of agree with you *ahhh shock*

But the overfarming/pollution of the seas kind of put me off fish =/

ps: I do not agree that meat is more healthier: but alas it's a different discussion and one that I've had too many times


Just as a point, we have just as much over farming and pollution on land so it makes no difference really.

[Papershop]

Not really. Its like saying, how do you know that water boils at 100 degrees celscius? And the person replies with "i used a thermometer". But how do you know that that thermometer works? You dont.

[Ezzie.]

Just as a point, we have just as much over farming and pollution on land so it makes no difference really.

True, but the difference is we're causing many fish to be extinct where as animals/vegetables can constantly be mass produced unless a huge plague whiped them out.

Also to clean up an ocean is alot harder than cleaning up the land =/


Not really. Its like saying, how do you know that water boils at 100 degrees celscius? And the person replies with "i used a thermometer". But how do you know that that thermometer works? You dont.

lol..

[FlyingJesus]

Not really. Its like saying, how do you know that water boils at 100 degrees celscius? And the person replies with "i used a thermometer". But how do you know that that thermometer works? You dont.

Seriously.. you're trying to argue against hard scientific fact lol. I don't even know where to begin with how wrong you are about everything you say.

[Ezzie.]

Seriously.. you're trying to argue against hard scientific fact lol. I don't even know where to begin with how wrong you are about everything you say.

Watch what I do

*point*

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[FlyingJesus]

Watch what I do

*point*

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


If that was a further dig at him, go ahead ^^ However, if it was supposed to mean that my post was somehow ironic, I can't remember arguing with solid science, only opinion.

[Ezzie.]

If that was a further dig at him, go ahead ^^ However, if it was supposed to mean that my post was somehow ironic, I can't remember arguing with solid science, only opinion.

It was against him:P, alas your rapier wit fails tonight :@

*that was a crack at you* ;) :P

[Mentor]

Not really. Its like saying, how do you know that water boils at 100 degrees celscius? And the person replies with "i used a thermometer". But how do you know that that thermometer works? You dont.
because, if we take water and heat it, the temperatures that it boils at is a 100 degrees, we know that because thats how we worked out how big a degree should be.

0 = frozen
100 = boiling.

We divide the difference between them to discover how much a degree should be.

Its like asking how do you know a triangle has 3 sides... anything that doesnt aint a triangle by definition.

[FlyingJesus]

It was against him:P, alas your rapier wit fails tonight :@

*that was a crack at you* ;) :P


I AM CRYING.

SOMEONE GIVE ME A SCREWDRIVER I NEED TO CUT :(

[Ezzie.]

I AM CRYING.

SOMEONE GIVE ME A SCREWDRIVER I NEED TO CUT :(

By my comment or the other dudes comments? If i was not stronger willed that other dudes comments would have sent me over the edge :(

The boiling temperature of water analogy... classic.

[FlyingJesus]

YOUR WATER IS NOT BOILING, YOUR THERMOMETER IS BROKEN.

Have at thee, and might I enquire as to where your god is currently residing?

[Ezzie.]

YOUR WATER IS NOT BOILING, YOUR THERMOMETER IS BROKEN.

Have at thee, and might I enquire as to where your god is currently residing?

BUT I PUT MY FINGER IN IT AND I WENT OWCH? :(

Hail flying jesus, thou art a flying jesus of epic proportions, my god is currently waging war on countless nations because he's better than their gods.

[FlyingJesus]

Oh fair enough, as long as I know. Let him know when he gets back that I left my toothbrush in his bathroom :(

[Ezzie.]

Oh fair enough, as long as I know. Let him know when he gets back that I left my toothbrush in his bathroom :(

***? My god is omnipresent *psst - means he's not actually real* thus he doesn't have a bathroom, omg... :eusa_wall

[FlyingJesus]

You mean I've lost my toothbrush for good?

[BL!NKEY]

Not really. Its like saying, how do you know that water boils at 100 degrees celscius? And the person replies with "i used a thermometer". But how do you know that that thermometer works? You dont.

Wow did he just say that?



How do you know that the earth is spinning?

Maybe just the universe is spinning around the still earth?

[Ezzie.]

You mean I've lost my toothbrush for good?

yeap soz.

[Bef]

I ate kfc earlier had a fully loaded fillet meal with beans and 7up AND a mini fillet. I love KFC

[Papershop]

But everything we have learnt about the earth etc, was our judgement on it. We chose the best answer for everything that happenes in todays world, and thats what we have learnt. Therefore thier are no "facts" because god did not come down one day and tell us any, we made assumptions.
Thanks for time and godbless

[FlyingJesus]

They're not assumptions, they've been tested and proven.

[:Liam]

They're not assumptions, they've been tested and proven.
and we assumed the tests where acurate.

[Papershop]

and we assumed the tests where acurate.

Exactly

[Browney]

You're getting really off topic. It's like saying how do I know I'm not sleeping and have never woken up?

[FlyingJesus]

I guess you may have a point about assumptions, after all, I assumed that there might be some intelligent responses from the anti-KFC side of the forum, and I was wrong.

[stratosphere]

This thread is getting waay off topic.

[Ezzie.]

I guess you may have a point about assumptions, after all, I assumed that there might be some intelligent responses from the anti-KFC side of the forum, and I was wrong.

Not including me of course ;)

[Nemo]

The guy is against torture and not the killing, we are top of the food chain and we eat meat simple, but in order to get that meat can be quick and plainless for the animal instead of a painful way, such as if someone might ask u, would u prefer to die from jumping out of a building or being burnt to death? u'd go for the quick painless death and so why not for a chicken aswell?


I think chickens are cool and yummy :)

[Papershop]

I guess you may have a point about assumptions, after all, I assumed that there might be some intelligent responses from the anti-KFC side of the forum, and I was wrong.

My posts had a point, its just people who are so self centred are blind from reality. cough

[LeftForDead]

and we assumed the tests where acurate.
ye and they things u test it with have had the same thing done to them.

All science and facts are based on visual(sp)

[:Liam]

ye and they things u test it with have had the same thing done to them.

All science and facts are based on visual(sp)
This could go on forever.
How do you know our vision is accurate?

[LeftForDead]

This could go on forever.
How do you know our vision is accurate?
exactly:p
we dont:)

[Bef]

Do you honestly think KFC would allow pamala anderson in to ther factory...

[LeftForDead]

Do you honestly think KFC would allow pamala anderson in to ther factory...
where did i say they would?:s

[le harry]

Chickens were born for us to eat.

How many damn people do you know that have chickens as "pets". That dont use them to lay eggs etc.

[Papershop]

Chickens were born for us to eat.

How many damn people do you know that have chickens as "pets". That dont use them to lay eggs etc.


We all have different opinions

[Ezzie.]

Chickens were born for us to eat.

How many damn people do you know that have chickens as "pets". That dont use them to lay eggs etc.

They weren't born for us to eat.. that's an arrogant statement man (even though I like you but eurgh!)

Actually many people have chickens as pets, they're cleverer than dogs and some monkeys/apes soo :eusa_whis

[FlyingJesus]

My posts had a point, its just people who are so self centred are blind from reality. cough

Actually being self-centred allows me to view reality a lot easier, rather than ethics and morality which are fabrications of a social community. Your attempts to insult me don't really work, seeing as I acknowledge my condition. Please realise this and get back to the point - KFC.


The guy is against torture and not the killing, we are top of the food chain and we eat meat simple, but in order to get that meat can be quick and plainless for the animal instead of a painful way, such as if someone might ask u, would u prefer to die from jumping out of a building or being burnt to death? u'd go for the quick painless death and so why not for a chicken aswell?


I think chickens are cool and yummy :)

They are indeed.
The "torture" in KFC has been stopped already though, the videos are all old or possibly one-offs. There are legalities which would get in the way of such things happening, and it's usually cheaper to provide a quick death for the animal anyway.

[LeftForDead]

Actually being self-centred allows me to view reality a lot easier, rather than ethics and morality which are fabrications of a social community. Your attempts to insult me don't really work, seeing as I acknowledge my condition. Please realise this and get back to the point - KFC.



They are indeed.
The "torture" in KFC has been stopped already though, the videos are all old or possibly one-offs. There are legalities which would get in the way of such things happening, and it's usually cheaper to provide a quick death for the animal anyway.
erm no, have u read nothing?
there has just been a investigation realised.
look at the website and posts.

[Papershop]

They are indeed.
The "torture" in KFC has been stopped already though, the videos are all old or possibly one-offs. There are legalities which would get in the way of such things happening, and it's usually cheaper to provide a quick death for the animal anyway.

Wow this guy is now the owner of KFC and knows everthing. And yehr, that made no sense whatsoever, because if you are self centred then all you care about is yourself and nothing else around you.

[Ezzie.]

Wow this guy is now the owner of KFC and knows everthing. And yehr, that made no sense whatsoever, because if you are self centred then all you care about is yourself and nothing else around you.

You're an idiot.


Edited by Yoshimitsui (Forum Moderator): Please don't be offensive to other forum members.

[LeftForDead]

You're an idiot.
says the person who cant even understand evidence that has been shown to him twice:) or more probs

[Papershop]

You're an idiot.

What have i ever done to you? -rep

[stratosphere]

Stop fighting all of you! :( All this started over KFC

[FlyingJesus]

Wow this guy is now the owner of KFC and knows everthing. And yehr, that made no sense whatsoever, because if you are self centred then all you care about is yourself and nothing else around you.

You don't have to be the owner of KFC to know that there are legal restrictions on what you can and can't do to livestock.

Also you know nothing of what a self-centred realist thinks like. I do care about some other things - if they affect me. Don't talk about what you don't know about, only I can do that.

[YoManGo!]

I didn't read any of this thread except the last few posts.

I like chicken.
However, I've never eaten at a KFC.

[Ezzie.]

says the person who cant even understand evidence that has been shown to him twice:) or more probs

What Evidence? I'm hugely for animal rights, i'm a vegetarian and I don't believe in factory farms but the stuff you're saying is laughable :S you don't put your point across atall, it's just jumbled rubbish

[Mentor]

[COLOR=Black][B]They weren't born for us to eat.. that's an arrogant statement man (even though I like you but eurgh!)
In many case it remains a true one, most chickens were born specifically so we could eat them. They were raised for that single purpose.
If they were not wanted for that, most would not have been born since the farmers wouldnt have mated them.


erm no, have u read nothing?
there has just been a investigation realised.
look at the website and posts.

WHat website/post/investigation. Ive yet to see you offer something close to objective information?


says the person who cant even understand evidence that has been shown to him twice:) or more probs
First off i want to applogiese, i made an assumption, The assumption that you were able to comprhend and understand simple english and rational thought. That assumption was clearly wrong, crediting you as a fully developed human lifeform was foolish of me.
So it seems as if we should start from the begining. Now you dont appear to have any grasp of a concept of what evedence is.
In a scientific sence, evidence would have to be empirical data, that gained through experence and repeated testing. The evedence we have gravity is when i drop somthing, it falls to the ground. Try it yourself, as many times as you want even.. Impressive aint it.
Those are the kinda things we mean when we say evedence your "im right your wrong" argument seems to lack that part.

Even Ezzie cant agree with you, and there on your side of the debate O.O

[LeftForDead]

In many case it remains a true one, most chickens were born specifically so we could eat them. They were raised for that single purpose.
If they were not wanted for that, most would not have been born since the farmers wouldnt have mated them.



WHat website/post/investigation. Ive yet to see you offer something close to objective information?


First off i want to applogiese, i made an assumption, The assumption that you were able to comprhend and understand simple english and rational thought. That assumption was clearly wrong, crediting you as a fully developed human lifeform was foolish of me.
So it seems as if we should start from the begining. Now you dont appear to have any grasp of a concept of what evedence is.
In a scientific sence, evidence would have to be empirical data, that gained through experence and repeated testing. The evedence we have gravity is when i drop somthing, it falls to the ground. Try it yourself, as many times as you want even.. Impressive aint it.
Those are the kinda things we mean when we say evedence your "im right your wrong" argument seems to lack that part.

Even Ezzie cant agree with you, and there on your side of the debate O.O
www.kentuckyfriedcruelty.com (http://www.kentuckyfriedcruelty.com)

theres ur evidence

[Ezzie.]

Any other evidence? I'm not disagreeing with you, but the website looks incredibly proporganda (had a good luck round it before)

You just seem to be spouting off stuff you don't have a clue about.. quoting from websites which may or may not be true (you've heard of the peta incidents right?)

[LeftForDead]

Any other evidence? I'm not disagreeing with you, but the website looks incredibly proporganda (had a good luck round it before)

You just seem to be spouting off stuff you don't have a clue about.. quoting from websites which may or may not be true (you've heard of the peta incidents right?)
ive never been to one yet, KFC have lied and been took to court for it.
Ofcourse they put twists on things but it still shouldnt happen.
If KFC disagreed then they would of stopped buying from them.

[Mentor]

www.kentuckyfriedcruelty.com (http://www.kentuckyfriedcruelty.com)

theres ur evidence

No evdence, not what propaganda funded by peta. If that classes as evednce we'd be able to prove many times over why stalin and hilter were the greatest leaders in the world, ever a few million times over.

Properganda and evedence are not the same thing. After all KFC doesnt even farm chiden, or have anything to do with that, like mcdonalds and most other fast food venders there meat is produced by a large number of differnt contracted companys, not them themselves.

I mean as much as we all know pamala anderson is a incredibly smart person respected for her proffessional opinions, and wide knowlage, not just some **** who appears half naked in cheep mans mags. I somehow dont really think her whaleing rants hold any weight in reality.

Now objective evdence, not ******** please :)