how many super mods do you want???

[the wombats]

come on, you loosing up on the rules, then you go and make half the mods super mods? you getting rid of normal mods or summit?

Edited by ---MAD--- (Forum Manager): Thread closed as it has completely gone off topic and also turned into an arguement.

[VPSwow]

Mad has said that soon there will just be super mods.

[Caution]

Mad has said that soon there will just be super mods.
..and that they're removing the unactive ones.

[cocaine]

it takes the ****, they make (some) rookies mods super mods, whereas some members have been on here long enough to know their way round the rules.

ive been forum mod twice lmao.

;)

[:Jamie]

i think the new system is that most of the mods will be smods?

[Charlie]

Well, that's a bit stupid isn't it? I think they should have both super moderators, and normal moderators.

[---MAD---]

Actually we lost 2 Smods and 1 Admin a while back so this is just filling those spots :).

But yes in the end we will have more Smods than mods :).

[Yoshimitsui]

In the future it is said to possibly just have S.MODS. But there has been up to 7 before aswell as haveing normal mods!

[---MAD---]

In the future it is said to possibly just have S.MODS. But there has been up to 7 before aswell as haveing normal mods!
Exactly. I forgot to mention above, we also lost an smod yesterday because Nick. stepped down back to normal moderator while he sorts out some things :).

[Seatherny]

A year ago, they said they were gonna get rid of all the moderators and just have super mods. I guess they are doing that now.

[Jamie!]

it would be alot better if you just kept it the same instead of going with the plan of promoting most/all of the normal mods to s'mods.

[Seatherny]

How will they choose new smods if all the mods are gone :s
Also, I heard smods will have less power.

[---MAD---]

How will they choose new smods if all the mods are gone :s
Also, I heard smods will have less power.
Smods have less power than who :S?

And no there will be mods which train up and then become smods over time just like we are doing now, thats why the process is slow :).

[Seatherny]

Less powers than the old smods. Like the ones a year or two ago.

So if a smod could do XYZ things last year, the new smods would only be able to do XY things.
Bad example but meh.

[Yoshimitsui]

I doubt it, as a big team of SMODS can cover all rulebreaking on the forum imedianlty without waiting for someone with higher permissions.

[Seatherny]

This also means the forum can easily be trashed. A smod can prune threads, ban users etc.

[---MAD---]

This also means the forum can easily be trashed. A smod can prune threads, ban users etc.
Smods cannot prune (we have disabled that).

Smods have the same powers they used to have other than the fact thread / post deleting is now not allowed so they cannot delete posts or threads (neither can a few admins).

[-:Undertaker:-]

Hahaha.

It looks like MAD is trying to improve his image by hiring lot's of popular people as Super Moderators.

[Nick-]

Please dont make assumptions like that Undertaker. There has been extensive talk of changing to a primarily SMod team and using the basic mod position as a type of training for SMods for a long time now.
And can you explain to me how Bomb-Head is popular? No offence :P

[Seatherny]

Right, so are there gonna be any mods or not?
Smods are never usually picked by how popular they are. Sierk or someone higher than FM usually pick the smods.
I did'nt know sierk or the FM well when I became smod. They pick you depending on the number of mod logs you have and how active you are etc ... kinda explains why mods give out pointless infractions (looks at NintendoNews who gave me a infraction for something admins have done and himself).

[Jamie!]

I doubt it, as a big team of SMODS can cover all rulebreaking on the forum imedianlty without waiting for someone with higher permissions.

but along with that, we will get all these new power mad s'mods that will think that because they have all these new permissions that they can use, they will just have to use them just for the sake of it.

[Nick-]

I would assume so as management may not feel theyre experienced enough for SMod or perhaps specific sections need a bit of extra attention for a while before anyone who moderates that section can move onto other sections as an SMod.

Also, we have a strict set of guidelines to follow, we cannot just go about power abusing, if we do, we see sierk/MADs nasty side :)

[benjamin]

@Ksoz, there will still be Moderators, they will be in training for Super Moderator.

[Seatherny]

Too many smods is guranteed power abuse .. you already have smods who already give out infractions for stupid reasons.

[myke]

i want some more pls ;)

[Yoshimitsui]

@Ksoz, there will still be Moderators, they will be in training for Super Moderator.

As said here, MODs will be Moderators in training, learning all the tools and makeing sure they are extreamly accurate with how everything works. And if you gain a high enough experience and prove to be a good team member it's likely they will hire them onto the s.mod team.

[DiscoPat]

awesome

[Lµke]

I find this highly ironic that after nearly 3 months since one of the last moderation reports said 'I will be promoting 1-2 people to the smod in the next few days'.

And the recent events that followed, you suddenly spring into action, and play favourites with those who didn't sign the thread in the forum moderators section.

Well i find it hard to believe that someone who has been here less than 2 months, and in their moderation reports made no attempt to become smod gets the position.

The moderation standard is falling on this forum, and fast, thats probly why you've got alot of silly infractions being issued.

This is my last words on the saga, as im sick of management dodging my questions via threads and PM, and 'brushing it up under the carpet'.

[Seatherny]

I find this highly ironic that after nearly 3 months since one of the last moderation reports said 'I will be promoting 1-2 people to the smod in the next few days'.

And the recent events that followed, you suddenly spring into action, and play favourites with those who didn't sign the thread in the forum moderators section.

Well i find it hard to believe that someone who has been here less than 2 months, and in their moderation reports made no attempt to become smod gets the position.

The moderation standard is falling on this forum, and fast, thats probly why you've got alot of silly infractions being issued.

This is my last words on the saga, as im sick of management dodging my questions via threads and PM, and 'brushing it up under the carpet'.


Totally agree with you.
NintendoNews gave me a infraction for posting a link to my site where you can get download links for stuff - saying its illegal.
But its NOT illegal. If I hosted the files on my site, then it would be. He didnt even reply to my PM .. rude lil kid.
But the thing is, an admin and NintendoNews posted a link to a site where you can stream movies. Thats more illegal than posting links. So why not infraction yourself, and everyone who posts links to bittorrent sites?

Its just power abuse to get more mod logs. Annnnnd a lot of ex-admins (who were very high up) even agree.
If a moderator becomes a friend with a FM (especially AGM), its easier to get promoted and let off.

I gave TomLegend a bad rep for making 2 pointless posts. He sent me a PM with "haha I can remove the bad rep shammmee."
And then he said "I never use this forum anyway"

Well if he doesnt use it, why is he admin?

And then I go "u r sad being on hxf at 3am"
tom: my time zone is now -5BST
Well ok ... he made posts at 8am and 9 am BST .. so thats 3 am and 4 am .. still no difference.
Bad liars.

-waits for infraction-

[---MAD---]

Hahaha.

It looks like MAD is trying to improve his image by hiring lot's of popular people as Super Moderators.
Yes yes, thats what I am doing :rolleyes:. You love finding bad things about everything. I understand that you were fired and you are finding hard to take in and deal with but you don't need to make posts like that.

Right, so are there gonna be any mods or not?
Smods are never usually picked by how popular they are. Sierk or someone higher than FM usually pick the smods.
I did'nt know sierk or the FM well when I became smod. They pick you depending on the number of mod logs you have and how active you are etc ... kinda explains why mods give out pointless infractions (looks at NintendoNews who gave me a infraction for something admins have done and himself).
There will be mods yes.

If you feel an infraction is unfair or too harsh, report it in the appropriate thread here:
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=279102

If its not removed, then the smod checking it obviously agrees with the decision made to give the infraction.

but along with that, we will get all these new power mad s'mods that will think that because they have all these new permissions that they can use, they will just have to use them just for the sake of it.
Smods are picked very carefully.

@Ksoz, there will still be Moderators, they will be in training for Super Moderator.
That is correct :).

Too many smods is guranteed power abuse .. you already have smods who already give out infractions for stupid reasons.
If you have a problem with a decision an smod has made with infraction report it in this thread:
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=279102

I find this highly ironic that after nearly 3 months since one of the last moderation reports said 'I will be promoting 1-2 people to the smod in the next few days'.

And the recent events that followed, you suddenly spring into action, and play favourites with those who didn't sign the thread in the forum moderators section.

Well i find it hard to believe that someone who has been here less than 2 months, and in their moderation reports made no attempt to become smod gets the position.

The moderation standard is falling on this forum, and fast, thats probly why you've got alot of silly infractions being issued.

This is my last words on the saga, as im sick of management dodging my questions via threads and PM, and 'brushing it up under the carpet'.
Thats not true :).


Totally agree with you.
NintendoNews gave me a infraction for posting a link to my site where you can get download links for stuff - saying its illegal.
But its NOT illegal. If I hosted the files on my site, then it would be. He didnt even reply to my PM .. rude lil kid.
But the thing is, an admin and NintendoNews posted a link to a site where you can stream movies. Thats more illegal than posting links. So why not infraction yourself, and everyone who posts links to bittorrent sites?

Its just power abuse to get more mod logs. Annnnnd a lot of ex-admins (who were very high up) even agree.
If a moderator becomes a friend with a FM (especially AGM), its easier to get promoted and let off.

I gave TomLegend a bad rep for making 2 pointless posts. He sent me a PM with "haha I can remove the bad rep shammmee."
And then he said "I never use this forum anyway"

Well if he doesnt use it, why is he admin?

And then I go "u r sad being on hxf at 3am"
tom: my time zone is now -5BST
Well ok ... he made posts at 8am and 9 am BST .. so thats 3 am and 4 am .. still no difference.
Bad liars.

-waits for infraction-
Points that you have made that I am referring to are in bold.
Point 1: That rule is no longer in place now :).

Point 2: Smods and admins don't need mod logs.

Point 3: If you had the power to remove your bad rep, I bet you a million dollars you would remove it. I don't think tomlegend would remove it but I bet you would :).

[Tristan]

I find this highly ironic that after nearly 3 months since one of the last moderation reports said 'I will be promoting 1-2 people to the smod in the next few days'.

And the recent events that followed, you suddenly spring into action, and play favourites with those who didn't sign the thread in the forum moderators section.

Well i find it hard to believe that someone who has been here less than 2 months, and in their moderation reports made no attempt to become smod gets the position.

The moderation standard is falling on this forum, and fast, thats probly why you've got alot of silly infractions being issued.

This is my last words on the saga, as im sick of management dodging my questions via threads and PM, and 'brushing it up under the carpet'.
I hope that that criticism isn't aimed at me, and using myself as an example. :(

[Seatherny]

Points that you have made that I am referring to are in bold.
Point 1: That rule is no longer in place now :).

Point 2: Smods and admins don't need mod logs.

Point 3: If you had the power to remove your bad rep, I bet you a million dollars you would remove it. I don't think tomlegend would remove it but I bet you would :).

Only if you knew me. When I was smod, I got bad rep from people I warned. I reported them as normal if I thought it was unfair.
On the other hand ... admins (such as Baving and Seacat) used to turn the bad rep into good rep and bad rep the other user, and increase the -rep. So instead of it being -15, it was like -30.
Smods DO need mod logs. It says it in the smod forum. "smod's logs will be checked daily and if we think you dont have enough mod logs, you will no longer be a smod"
maybe its changed now, but that kinda explains why there is so much power abuse.

there goes my chance of being a mod again (disagreeing with AGM)

[Jamie!]

Point 3: If you had the power to remove your bad rep, I bet you a million dollars you would remove it. I don't think tomlegend would remove it but I bet you would :).

so you're basically saying that you are not bothered if staff abuse their powers?! cause that's what that sounds like..

[Seatherny]

I bet ---MAD--- has no bad reps :)

[Seatherny]

I bet ---MAD--- has no bad reps


lol@the fact I just had a few people on MSN and on here telling me "I agree. I would post it, but i would probably get fired".

A great place where the staff cant say anything bad about management.

Edited by ---MAD--- (Forum Manager): Please do not double post.

[---MAD---]

I bet ---MAD--- has no bad reps :)
You are wrong as usual :P.

[Seatherny]

You are wrong as usual :P.

Wrong as usual?
You perm banned me for sending you a pm which said something along the lines of "i dont like you". If I was wrong, I wouldnt have been unbanned. But then you went and banned me again >.>

OMG, I THOUGH THE SMODS WERE BAD. MAD, if you didnt know, you CAN double post after 15 mins. Unless the rules have been changed again ...


C4. Double Posting - Double posting is allowed after the 15 minutes have passed if you are adding new information. Otherwise it is not allowed to double post.

Point prooven? Power abuse.

[Tom H]

Hello,

Why does it always it ends up in an argument or a bad debate?

Theres a famous verse I can give you:

"Nor knowest thou what argument
Thy life to thy neighbor's creed has lent.
All are needed by each one;
Nothing is fair or good alone."

Its pretty self-explanatory!

Peace only comes when you speak to your enemies and not your friends.

A friend once said to me, what you hate in others you hate in yourself, I bow out on that. My view.

Good night.

[Seatherny]

Peace only comes when you speak to your enemies and not your friends.

So we shouldn't speak to our friends?
Hmm sounds dumb to me.

oh btw, great way to dodge my accusations.

[Tom H]

So we shouldn't speak to our friends?
Hmm sounds dumb to me.

oh btw, great way to dodge my accusations.

No, off course you should speak to your friends. I did not say that, I was issuing peace, and not socialising.

We should speak to our enemies, or people we disagree with to think of a solution, in your case, ---MAD---. Another example, Tony Blair - Failed warmonger who can't think of solutions & we all know George Bush is similar.

Anyway, lets get back onto topic, super mods! :D

Tom

[Bomb-Head]

Wrong as usual?
You perm banned me for sending you a pm which said something along the lines of "i dont like you". If I was wrong, I wouldnt have been unbanned. But then you went and banned me again >.>

OMG, I THOUGH THE SMODS WERE BAD. MAD, if you didnt know, you CAN double post after 15 mins. Unless the rules have been changed again ...



Point prooven? Power abuse.

The rule states you can double post if you are adding new information, which you weren't, you were talking about a new thing - therefore you broke rule..

[Seatherny]

But

"Peace only comes when you speak to your enemies and not your friends."

sounds like DONT SPEAK TO UR MATES!


@Bomb-Head ... I was expanding (adding) to my previous post. Dont try and stick up for MAD just cos you wanna keep your job and look good.

[---MAD---]

But

"Peace only comes when you speak to your enemies and not your friends."

sounds like DONT SPEAK TO UR MATES!


@Bomb-Head ... I was expanding (adding) to my previous post. Dont try and stick up for MAD just cos you wanna keep your job and look good.
His quote means peace can only be brought if you talk to your enemies, your friends cannot do anything about it.

[Catzsy]

You are wrong as usual :P.

You know this is why people get so angry with you. You have such a fixed attitude and its always somebody else who is wrong. Even worse you always put a smilie at the end which is even more aggravating.
I had hoped when you said you would take notice of our thread that you would indeed do so but it is business as usual and now it is the ordinary members such as Ksoz and Luke that are being patronised. I have sympathy with what Luke said as well. Bomb-Head was the most senior and most active so should have been announced first. The whole forum knows you were making a point which to be fair you are entitled to do.

Ksoz was adding extra information as well after 15 minutes so that seems okay. I sincerely hope that another member doesn't get perm banned with 'because you are an idiot' as the reason as happened today. Good luck with the training!

[---MAD---]

You know this is why people get so angry with you. You have such a fixed attitude and its always somebody else who is wrong. Even worse you always put a smilie at the end which is even more aggravating.
I had hoped when you said you would take notice of our thread that you would indeed do so but it is business as usual and now it is the ordinary members such as Ksoz and Luke that are being patronised. I have sympathy with what Luke said as well. Bomb-Head was the most senior and most active so should have been announced first. The whole forum knows you were making a point which to be fair you are entitled to do.

Ksoz was adding extra information as well after 15 minutes so that seems okay. I sincerely hope that another member doesn't get perm banned with 'because you are an idiot' as the reason as happened today. Good luck with the training!
I was actually joking which is why I put the ":P". You should try and be more fun ;).

[Seatherny]

I was actually joking which is why I put the ":P". You should try and be more fun ;).

This is a serious thread and you are making stupid posts. Maybe you should infraction yourself.

And trying giving the "be more fun" advice to yourself. Infractioning for no reason. Lol@ the fact 2 ex-admins just laughed at your stupid actions (especially for infractioning me).

And the fact is, because you know that the infraction was unfair, you wont remove it so you dont look bad.

If we still had mature admins like Jin and Anitar as admins, this found would be so much better (in terms of power abuse). The only reason I come on here is because of the "Outside Habbo" forum which I like.

Jin and Anitar were respected by most members, but I doubt even the smods respect you MAD. They know if they say anything bad about you on here, they will get fired.

[Catzsy]

I was actually joking which is why I put the ":P". You should try and be more fun ;).

With respect I don't think you were joking . Sorry - it is not your style. I maybe wrong but I will leave the forum to make up their own minds.

[Bomb-Head]

But

"Peace only comes when you speak to your enemies and not your friends."

sounds like DONT SPEAK TO UR MATES!


@Bomb-Head ... I was expanding (adding) to my previous post. Dont try and stick up for MAD just cos you wanna keep your job and look good.


I don't need to 'stick up' for MAD to keep my job / make myself look good.. I was simply offering you advice from my point of view.

[Lµke]

I find this highly ironic that after nearly 3 months since one of the last moderation reports said 'I will be promoting 1-2 people to the smod in the next few days'.

And the recent events that followed, you suddenly spring into action, and play favourites with those who didn't sign the thread in the forum moderators section.

Well i find it hard to believe that someone who has been here less than 2 months, and in their moderation reports made no attempt to become smod gets the position.

The moderation standard is falling on this forum, and fast, thats probly why you've got alot of silly infractions being issued.

This is my last words on the saga, as im sick of management dodging my questions via threads and PM, and 'brushing it up under the carpet'.

Please point to which part of my post is 'wrong' as im pritty sure its all the truth.


You know this is why people get so angry with you. You have such a fixed attitude and its always somebody else who is wrong. Even worse you always put a smilie at the end which is even more aggravating.
I had hoped when you said you would take notice of our thread that you would indeed do so but it is business as usual and now it is the ordinary members such as Ksoz and Luke that are being patronised. I have sympathy with what Luke said as well. Bomb-Head was the most senior and most active so should have been announced first. The whole forum knows you were making a point which to be fair you are entitled to do.

Ksoz was adding extra information as well after 15 minutes so that seems okay. I sincerely hope that another member doesn't get perm banned with 'because you are an idiot' as the reason as happened today. Good luck with the training!

:eusa_clap - Actions speak louder than words on this one.


I was actually joking which is why I put the ":P". You should try and be more fun ;).

You should try and be more serious with such matters, this just shows how serious you took our thread in the Forum Moderator section. Learn to listen, no actually read.

[---MAD---]

This is a serious thread and you are making stupid posts. Maybe you should infraction yourself.

I don't think this thread was serious as the first post is sarcastic and has already been explained :).

[Catzsy]

I don't think this thread was serious as the first post is sarcastic and has already been explained :).

Well I think you have made some pretty serious comments in it as well:S

[Seatherny]

I don't think this thread was serious as the first post is sarcastic and has already been explained :).

If you pay attention, you would have realised its turned into a serious thread. Maybe you dont think it is, but some people do.

I wouldnt be surprised if this thread is closed - seeing as people are flaming MAD.

[Tristan]

You know this is why people get so angry with you. You have such a fixed attitude and its always somebody else who is wrong. Even worse you always put a smilie at the end which is even more aggravating.
I had hoped when you said you would take notice of our thread that you would indeed do so but it is business as usual and now it is the ordinary members such as Ksoz and Luke that are being patronised. I have sympathy with what Luke said as well. Bomb-Head was the most senior and most active so should have been announced first. The whole forum knows you were making a point which to be fair you are entitled to do.

Ksoz was adding extra information as well after 15 minutes so that seems okay. I sincerely hope that another member doesn't get perm banned with 'because you are an idiot' as the reason as happened today. Good luck with the training!

This is in no way a criticism of Bomb-Head, I am just posting this to say my point.

Not all jobs are determined on how long a person has been in a department. That's how I used to think that it should have but when I became Manager for the Rare Values, it was determined on activity as otherwise, there would be a long delay for the newer members to prove themselves and get a chance and a promotion.

I actually was a Forum Moderator back when there were user notes and before the 'greats' let's say, of moderation, like yourself and Mr.Garion :P. I got myself fired which I deserved and I tried and tried to return to the department as I had matured since I had been fired. I finally gained a trial with Bomb-Head's lot, but unfortunately I failed (which I still do not feel was justified). MAD converses so much more than some managers beforehand and it is very useful and helpful.

My activity was of a high level and I gained 13 more moderator logs than Bomb-Head himself (please do not take this as a criticism or a big-headed remark if you read this Bomb :)), which shows that I was active and have been over the time that I have returned to the department. I do feel that perhaps some others maybe should have been promoted instead of myself because of their activity, but hey, if you get offered a promotion most bets heads down you'd accept it (you in general, not necessarily yourself).

I just wanted to post for some recognition and acknowledgement of my achievements. Which surprisingly enough, I really am hard pushed for from the normal users of Habbox Forum.