9/11

[efq]

I dont know why. But Im always affected by this video...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=LLDj9Y4wvbI

I was in america on the day it crashed. I was with my mum and dad In a helicopter trip around the Statue of Liberty.

But we wasnt in the air at the time.

But, when we was In the hotel. You could here the bangs from miles away. And the smoke.

And when you watch that video it gets to your emotions...

and Flight 93 :s The never found the plane... http://youtube.com/watch?v=JZekosYOmXc&mode=related&search=

[mat64]

I've watched alot of videos like this. Maybe we'll never know what happened but either way I don't obsess myself over it.

[efq]

I sit and watch many of these.

Some show the 1st plane wasnt a commercial plane. And before it hit the building there was a flash. Did a bomb go off before it hit the building?

And The 2nd Plane didnt look like a boeing. And before that hit the building there was a flash too. This looked like a missle. And it shows under its a old army type plane...

Weird :s anyway. I found this. Very good. http://youtube.com/watch?v=ouPgTFg-xa4&mode=related&search=

[Neversoft]

I've watched a few videos, but as Matt said I don't obsess myself over it. Why would it be planned or anything =/ Anyway, Steve Irwin videos upset me more.

[Kardan]

I still believe that it was a terroist attack, not planned by the government.
They crashed the planes to cause destruction. Planes destroyed the buildings not bombs.

[-Soph-]

I can't even watch the video of the plane crashing into the towers anymore because it's so FRIGGING disgusting. It sends a shudder down my spine and it makes me feel sick, you're watching people die and you can pause the video on that very second and just say, well that was the death of the hundreds of people who died on impact (I know thousands died, but not on impact).

I DEFINIATLY 100% believe it was a terrorist attack, the idea and EVERY single one of the conspiracies that the government did it is all bullcrap.

[Putal]

I'm not American nor have I ever been to American, yet it still upsets me.

[-Soph-]

I'm not american, but I live in america, i've done a lot of research on 9/11, and I mean a lot, the more I research it the more it upsets me, which kinda begs the question, why do I research it? It makes me feel sick when I just see pictures, let alone videos of the towers ablaze, or even worse, when the plane is just about to impact the towers, it makes me feel really really really sick. At my old dentists office, he had a picture of the NYC skyline on his wall, with the twin towers still there, and even that made me shudder a little.

[LeftForDead]

I've watched a few videos, but as Matt said I don't obsess myself over it. Why would it be planned or anything =/ Anyway, Steve Irwin videos upset me more.
ive never seen that before, i heard it was put on youtube but took off.

[lSander]

There was no boeing in the second video :O!

[Kardan]

I'm not american, but I live in america, i've done a lot of research on 9/11, and I mean a lot, the more I research it the more it upsets me, which kinda begs the question, why do I research it? It makes me feel sick when I just see pictures, let alone videos of the towers ablaze, or even worse, when the plane is just about to impact the towers, it makes me feel really really really sick. At my old dentists office, he had a picture of the NYC skyline on his wall, with the twin towers still there, and even that made me shudder a little.

I'm the same, everytime there's a news clip and it shows the burning towers, I have to turn over.

[RedStratocas]

None of the conspiracy theories hold up. Especially if you don't do any of the research yourself.

[CustomHabbo]

Yea those movies are hard for me to watch. In my town alone about 10 died i think. 1 lived down the street from me. Alot of my friends parents work around there too and my grandparents.

That day every tv channel was showing it. It was sad seeing people jumping out of the buildings. After a few hours they started to edit out the people jumping out of the buildings and not showing them on tv.

[-Soph-]

Yea those movies are hard for me to watch. In my town alone about 10 died i think. 1 lived down the street from me. Alot of my friends parents work around there too and my grandparents.

That day every tv channel was showing it. It was sad seeing people jumping out of the buildings. After a few hours they started to edit out the people jumping out of the buildings and not showing them on tv.

That must be hard.. especially seeing it hit so close to you.

I remember those videos, they were disgusting and sick, I remember reading something that this guy wrote , he said he wasn't even scared of heights, but when he went to the top of the WTC he couldn't even look out of the window w/out feeling ill. This really makes me think about what these people must of had going through their minds when they just jumped out of the window instantaneously.

My mum's been to ground zero, she said there is a building next to where the WTC used to be, and it was the tallest building she's ever seen, and when someone said that the twin towers were twice the size, she said it just blew her mind.

[PigsNose]

It is sick watching those films on youtube, when you see the plane and you can actually see it through the glass, going right through to the middle. Gawd, I don't think I could've worked on the top floor anyway. I remember watching a programme and it was called The Falling Man or something, and they were trying to find out who a man was from a picture who had jumped out of the building to his death. They found a family which were religious and they refused to believe it was their husband/father because he would never have comitted suicide. It was horrible because they showed clips of people falling and you could hear the thud of them falling to the ground and then the whole crowd screaming.
Imagine how scared they all would've been.

[RedStratocas]

A few people in my area died, but I didn't know them. The smoke actually came up here. Blew straight in our direction. It wasn't much from far away though.

[-Soph-]

A few people in my area died, but I didn't know them. The smoke actually came up here. Blew straight in our direction. It wasn't much from far away though.

wow, I didn't think it would reach that far.

[:Hazel]

i never like watching videos of it tbh, its horrible :(

[le harry]

It's disgusting, it's like pause it 2 seconds before impact... 600ish people are alive, 2 seconds later they are all dead. My godfather's sister in law died in the 9/11 crash, I don't know if she was on a flight or what. The video of the buildings falling down is just scary, as well as people jumping out.

[burton-x]

and Flight 93 :s The never found the plane...
That's because there wasn't one.
It was the government...
Not to be sick minded or anything, it was an absalutly devistating event.
But there is so much information and facts that point towards it being an inside job.

Watch Loosechange on youtube or googlevideo or something for some of the facts.

Please don't flame me or anything for this, i'm just saying you may wanna check it out if we're all looking at videos of it on youtube.

My dad lives in the states and it almost hit home even though he lives in the mountains in Colorado. one of those days where everything just stopped all around the world, and everybodie just sat watching the TV.

Must have been really scarey being in NY when it happened, can't imagine it to be honest.

[le harry]

Loosechange is wierd, I never understood it.

I have to admit, the building's falling down was facinating, but the death's werent. If there were no deaths involved I would be awed with facination, it is disgusting watching it, but it's the whole theme of the buildings falling down which creates a lot of facination I guess? I'm not trying to be inconsiderate..

This is scary, helicoptor footage of the buildings just before they fell down & them falling down. http://youtube.com/watch?v=6VCHmNTXlqU

[burton-x]

Loosechange is good because it doesnt just say "amagadzz its some americanz so they can get oil" infact it doesnt say that at all I dont think. But it does have loads of interviews with maintenence workers, firemen in the building. also photograph satalight images and stuff like that. loads of evidence and files from the past with American's ideas to do it. The american government had written in an offical military document about the idea of a dummy terrorist attack so they could invade cuba. this was ages ago though, so thats what triggered the suspicion. That and you can clearly see explosions below the point of callaps, a flash before the plane hits, the fact that the firemen and maintenence guys said there were bombs going off and that the lobby was shattered when 3 floors up it wasnt damaged until collapse, and that the basements had all exploded upon inpact.

[le harry]

Yeah, I know it's about all this evidence leading up to a conspiracy theory, I'm yet to see a video which shows the explosions before it hits, what one should I watch? And the explosions before it collapses..

[burton-x]

its more of a flash just before the fusilage of the plane goes in.
its on loose change.

And its as the building starts to collapse, explosions can be seen down the building as it falls, about 20 floors below where the structure is giving in...

also it goes through a list of bigger and some small skyscrapers that have been on fire for longer with the fire over a lrager amount, and a tower than had a plane crash into it, but none have fallen. only 3 buildings have EVER falllen from a fire or crash. These are World trade centre 1, world trade centre 2 and world trade centre 7 (the FBI Building across the block that collapsed with no warning, destroying all evidence of the FBI's envolvement).

Will find a link for you guys in a min.

[Ekalb]

This is a thread that discussed a lot of the videos and theories and all that:
http://habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=340585

[le harry]

its more of a flash just before the fusilage of the plane goes in.
its on loose change.

And its as the building starts to collapse, explosions can be seen down the building as it falls, about 20 floors below where the structure is giving in...

also it goes through a list of bigger and some small skyscrapers that have been on fire for longer with the fire over a lrager amount, and a tower than had a plane crash into it, but none have fallen. only 3 buildings have EVER falllen from a fire or crash. These are World trade centre 1, world trade centre 2 and world trade centre 7 (the FBI Building across the block that collapsed with no warning, destroying all evidence of the FBI's envolvement).

Will find a link for you guys in a min.

How convienient :rolleyes:

[lSander]

I watched the Loosechange videos, all three of them.
It's so good !
made me look from another angle. Bush sucks..

[burton-x]

My Dad who lives in the states thought that it can't have been the government,
watched them and said to me "If it comes out that Bush did do all this, which it seems pretty likely, he will be a modern day Hitler".

Just think, if somebodie who has factual evidence gets it to the governments of other countries, the whole world will hate America.
Stuff would start goin down :S

[Vause]

i can't watch any of the videos, they scare me and stuff.

[GJay]

it affected me watching it all live on television. i didn't even know what was going on i'd just got home from school. my mum was on the phone to my dad saying what'shappening and i just sat with my eyes wide watching the buildings fall.
i cannot watch docus or anything about 9/11.

[Vause]

that video was terrible.

[efq]

How come they managered to hi-jack 4 planes?

2 Into twin towers. One going into the pentigon. And flight 93 that was spose to hit the whitehouse missed because the people on board fighted against the terroists.

[stratosphere]

Did one hit the Pentagon? :O I thought it missed.

[efq]

Well, I fought so. And I Watched Flight 93 on Sky movies last week.

And 2 went into twin towers and one went into the Pentigon..

And the reason the people jumped out the window was due to panic..

But what I found fasinating was when the building collapsed a wall of smoke when between every street and alley like a avalange.

[burton-x]

People would rather pass out and die that was before they hit the floor, than burn or sufficate in a firey building basically...
Yep, one "hit" the pentagon, although the plane recage doesnt add up to what plane they said it was, there are no wing marks, no big bits of plane were found.

If you have ever seen a plane crash on tele theres ALOT OF BITS... there were no wing marks in the building... no scratches on the grass that it "scrapped along" onl ya small part of the building was destroyed for passenger plane crash...
Doesn't add up! xx

[RedStratocas]

There are so many wrong facts and stretched things and skewed words in Loose Change it's unbelievable.

[Kardan]

How come they managered to hi-jack 4 planes?

2 Into twin towers. One going into the pentigon. And flight 93 that was spose to hit the whitehouse missed because the people on board fighted against the terroists.

They got on the planes with 'fake bombs' and took over the planes.

[burton-x]

There are so many wrong facts and stretched things and skewed words in Loose Change it's unbelievable.
But there is so much that is obviously true..
the US government will still not even do an inquirey into the biggest crime ever commited on US soil.
Their evidence is "some fella in a video where it doesnt like like him said it was him so it must be him"

[RedStratocas]

But there is so much that is obviously true..
the US government will still not even do an inquirey into the biggest crime ever commited on US soil.
Their evidence is "some fella in a video where it doesnt like like him said it was him so it must be him"

Okay, ill go with you on it then: what were the U.S.'s motives? We know Bin Laden's motives, we knew them BEFORE the attack, so what purpose would the U.S. have to do it?

[-Soph-]

How come they managered to hi-jack 4 planes?

2 Into twin towers. One going into the pentigon. And flight 93 that was spose to hit the whitehouse missed because the people on board fighted against the terroists.


With fake bombs, the security wasn't too tough before 9/11 at airports, it's obviously been stepped up a lot since 2001, by posting this, are you saying that "how did they do it - it's impossible!" or are you simply asking how they hijacked them? E.g fake bombs, i'm a little confused.
if you mean my first reason, a lot of planning went into 9/11, a lot, of course it's possible.

[Aces]

Well, i thought for a while this was doing of terrorists, but after i watched some vids of people explaining why they think it was the goverment.. I'm convinced it was not terrorists. But hey, that's only my opinion.
ALSO, how come all planes succesfully went into the other buildings, and the one going to The Whitehouse failed? hmm..
The music on the vid got me all emotional, lol.

[RedStratocas]

Well, i thought for a while this was doing of terrorists, but after i watched some vids of people explaining why they think it was the goverment.. I'm convinced it was not terrorists. But hey, that's only my opinion.
ALSO, how come all planes succesfully went into the other buildings, and the one going to The Whitehouse failed? hmm..
The music on the vid got me all emotional, lol.

First off, it is unsure of where the 4th plane was headed. And second off, why even make a 4th plane hijacking if they weren't going to crash it into a building? That makes no sense? If the government was involved, why would they even SAY that it was going to the White House?

[-Soph-]

Well, i thought for a while this was doing of terrorists, but after i watched some vids of people explaining why they think it was the goverment.. I'm convinced it was not terrorists. But hey, that's only my opinion.
ALSO, how come all planes succesfully went into the other buildings, and the one going to The Whitehouse failed? hmm..
The music on the vid got me all emotional, lol.

Well I believe it didn't reach the whitehouse because of the people who fought back, but that's my opinion, I think understand yours, you mean "it didn't hit because the president lives there" right?

[burton-x]

First off, it is unsure of where the 4th plane was headed. And second off, why even make a 4th plane hijacking if they weren't going to crash it into a building? That makes no sense? If the government was involved, why would they even SAY that it was going to the White House?
It would be a consistant story. It would give America a feeling of patriotism knowing that their fellow countriemen saved the presidential residance from a terrorist attack. This was it is more credable that the American people will be behind the government and the people would be rendered heroes.

This means that there wasnt just some explosions and a whole country in total moarning, but they would have a reason to belive America is good.

[Aces]

Oh, so only one of the four planes fought back, convincidence or what?
As said, this is MY opinion.

[RedStratocas]

It would be a consistant story. It would give America a feeling of patriotism knowing that their fellow countriemen saved the presidential residance from a terrorist attack. This was it is more credable that the American people will be behind the government and the people would be rendered heroes.

This means that there wasnt just some explosions and a whole country in total moarning, but they would have a reason to belive America is good.

Im sorry, but American citizens weren't exactly "anti-american" before 9/11. Most people were pretty damn patriotic beforehand, what would we need more patriotism for? The only thing that changed after 9/11 was the cost of American Flags.


Oh, so only one of the four planes fought back, convincidence or what?
As said, this is MY opinion.

No, actually, there is an explanation. The 4th plane was the last one in the air, so the passengers heard of the other planes crashing into the trade centers. Thus they acted to stop it. Planes have been hijacked before in the U.S., but usually, if ever, have they ever been purposely crashed.

[-Soph-]

I know it's your opinion, but this is mine here...

if I was on a hijacked jet, I don't think i'd fight back, the people on flights 11 and 175 didn't know what was going on, so for all they know they could just be on a routine hijacking and be fine once the jet touches down, so wouldn't it be better just to keep quiet and not fight back? They didn't know that there plane was about to be crashed into the towers, I don't really have an opinion on flight 77 as I don't have much knowledge on it, I believe the people (as shown in the movie united 93), on flight 93 knew about the attacks on the twin towers and realised that they were going to be used in the same way, thus fighting back.

[RedStratocas]

Oh, and its MY opinion that YOUR opinion is stupid.

Edited by Nick- (Forum Super Moderator): Please be considerate of other members opinions.

[efq]

Well I know bomb on flight 93 was fake.

Because, the passengers on the plane attacked the terroists and smashed it into the ground making it miss the whitehouse.

So if they were attacked they would of blown them selfs up.. .

But also passengers didnt know it was heading for the whitehouse. So how come only one commercial plane passengers had brains??

What is stupid Flight 93 did they even find the black box?

[-Soph-]

I thought they were all fake?

[Aces]

Oh, and its MY opinion that YOUR opinion is stupid.
Well, that's exactly how i feel about your opinion.

[efq]

I thought they were all fake?
most likely. Its undoubt fully they'll pass.

If they have bombs strapped to them. Someone will notice because the terrorists will be sweating too.

[-Soph-]

I don't see how the fact that united 93 was the last in the air thus why people knew what was happening is stupid..

explain why you think it's stupid :)

[Shawnstra]

Its been a sad day. My mate was in New York, and lost a few friends. :( I just keep it behind me.

[Adam!]

ALSO, how come all planes succesfully went into the other buildings, and the one going to The Whitehouse failed? hmm..


No, actually, there is an explanation. The 4th plane was the last one in the air, so the passengers heard of the other planes crashing into the trade centers. Thus they acted to stop it. Planes have been hijacked before in the U.S., but usually, if ever, have they ever been purposely crashed.

The reason it failed, was because passengers attempted to stop the hijackers, by storming the flight deck and basically having a fight.. That worked somewhat, on that video it did show a passenger flying the plane (If I remember rightly) - But either way, im pretty much certain the aircraft would be squawking 7500 (The hijack code, so ATC know whats happening) - And they'd be very very edgy about letting it into an airport.

The ATCO (Air traffic controlers) had already passed messages to every aircraft within a 400 mile radius of NYC something which read along the lines of "2 planes hijacked and crashed, check your doors" - Meaning lock your flight deck doors, and don't alow ANYONE in.. However, a few minutes after United 93 had recieved this message, they heared a knock at the door.. And the captain gave the signal to the first officer to open the door.. And well, we all know what happened from here.

If you was on a plane, that was in the process of being hijacked.. Wouldn't you fight? - I know I would..

[-Soph-]

If you was on a plane, that was in the process of being hijacked.. Wouldn't you fight? - I know I would..


No, on routine hijackings passengers get off the plane safely, yes, if I knew my plane was going to be crashed purposly, then yeah, of course i'd fight back, but without any proof, then no.

[le harry]

If you had no idea what was going to happen on a hijacking you'd stay quiet and hope for the best, especially if they killed the pilot - there is nobody to fly the plane. If I knew that I was going to be purposeless crashed into a point of interest or w/e I would stop it.

[-Soph-]

on united 93, wasn't there a guy on there who could fly commercial jets?

or is it my memory playing up...

[Vause]

it just scares me to even think about it.

[Aces]

on united 93, wasn't there a guy on there who could fly commercial jets?

or is it my memory playing up...
as i recall, there wasent.
And even so, after the fight, the plane was unstable and it was going to set a direct corse for the ground.
Just scares me a little, i wonder what they did to the Pilot & The CO-Pilot.. As they dont say exactly what happened. And that attendant that was stabbed to death, scary... :(

[-Soph-]

I thought they beat the pilot in the cabin? (Wasn't it in the movie?)

The plane wasn't really unstable, it was only unstable once the passengers started to fight back and they rocked it from side to side to knock them off course, still, it would of been able to recover.

[Adam!]

I thought they beat the pilot in the cabin? (Wasn't it in the movie?)

The plane wasn't really unstable, it was only unstable once the passengers started to fight back and they rocked it from side to side to knock them off course, still, it would of been able to recover.
Yeah, but a normal passenger wouldn't have a clue what to do, really.

Had the passenger have put the thottles to full and climbed, all should have been good.. But unfortionatly, that didn't happen.

[Aces]

Oh, well the documentary i saw about it, they said that the pilots where knocked out/dragged out of the airplains front and then they dont know what happened to them. :S

[efq]

on united 93, wasn't there a guy on there who could fly commercial jets?

or is it my memory playing up...
Yup :) Your right there was.

But, was the plane ever found?

[-Soph-]

they found debris didn't they?
I doubt you'd find any "big" parts of the jet as it flew inverted at 600mph into the ground.

[You]

they found debris didn't they?
I doubt you'd find any "big" parts of the jet as it flew inverted at 600mph into the ground.
You'd still find quite abit of plane parts. i think so, anyway.

[-Soph-]

not really, if it was flying inverted, the top of the plane is obviously weaker than the bottom, so it is basically going to obliterate

i'm not sure what they found, but they did find some debris, i'm not certain of the size, but I know they didn't find any "big" pieces like you see in regular crashes (e.g, big chunk of fuselage)

[Adam!]

not really, if it was flying inverted, the top of the plane is obviously weaker than the bottom, so it is basically going to obliterate

i'm not sure what they found, but they did find some debris, i'm not certain of the size, but I know they didn't find any "big" pieces like you see in regular crashes (e.g, big chunk of fuselage)
It proberbly broke up into pieces on impact, well i'd certainly expect it too..

But they should have found the engines, without its case obv. with at least 1/2 still together!

But then again, if something hits the ground at around 400-450mph, what do you expect to be left? - Not alot!

Something I need to read up on, and only this flight - As I've forgot the whole story.

[burton-x]

they found debris didn't they?
I doubt you'd find any "big" parts of the jet as it flew inverted at 600mph into the ground.
You dont find that planes fly 600mph into the ground and not make a scratch on the front lawn of the pentagon... there is normally ALOT MORE FIRE, (as you saw on the side of the WTC as it crashed into it), and all the CCTV footage was taken imedatly... it was a missile that caused the hole in the back.

[-Soph-]

You dont find that planes fly 600mph into the ground and not make a scratch on the front lawn of the pentagon... there is normally ALOT MORE FIRE, (as you saw on the side of the WTC as it crashed into it), and all the CCTV footage was taken imedatly... it was a missile that caused the hole in the back.

i'm not talking about flight 77, the pentagon one, i'm chatting about united 93.

I was watching something about it on CNN yesterday, apparently the guy wants $10 million for the land which he owns (and that the jet crashed on) so a memorial can be built on it =/

[Metric.]

I remember that day.

I thought my mom died because she worked close to there and nobody could get through to her because the cell towers were jamed and then that evening she finally got home, safeee xoxo

[-Soph-]

I remember that day.

I thought my mom died because she worked close to there and nobody could get through to her because the cell towers were jamed and then that evening she finally got home, safeee xoxo

wow.. that must of been terrifying, I can't even think about what must of been running through your mind..

did you see the towers?

[Zample]

I don't know what to say, really. Most of the conspiracy theories are so amazingly tempting. If you watch a few videos, you just can't help being slightly swayed. And if you read up on it, it just so happens that an airplane had before crashed into the tower. The tower didn't collapse or anything. All that happened was a bit of a fire that lasted only hours. To my knowledge, no extreme damage was done and the wreckage was easily repaired and cleaned up.

I believe it's no different with the 9/11 attacks.. just an airplane, why did it cause such extreme damage and actually manage to get the towers to fall? To be honest, the entire 'flashes before hits' thing really catches your eye. I watched a video on youtube (don't have the link - sorry!) and in it it zoomed in, you could see little flashes from a "helicopter" and then the entire tower fell. In another shot, you could see two little holes on the belly of the helicopter. Little flashes were shot from here. Is this natural for all helicopters? I really don't know.

But, I guess I could just say, I'm not extremely educated on the entire subject, but I have done plenty of research on conspiracy theories. I'm swayed to believe that the government may have had a lot to do with it.

but that's just my opinion. ;)

[burton-x]

So basically the tempreature which fuel burns at at the maximum, is not enough to melt steel. Or even weaken it, letalone create a big smouldering pile of rubble where the bottom was hotter than the reckage which had the fire??
yeah. about that...

[Recursion]

I'm not american, but I live in america, i've done a lot of research on 9/11, and I mean a lot, the more I research it the more it upsets me, which kinda begs the question, why do I research it? It makes me feel sick when I just see pictures, let alone videos of the towers ablaze, or even worse, when the plane is just about to impact the towers, it makes me feel really really really sick. At my old dentists office, he had a picture of the NYC skyline on his wall, with the twin towers still there, and even that made me shudder a little.
Humans naturally have something that makes you want to find out what ever happened, down to the last second.

V. Interesting, But i second your post, but im british and have never been to america :)


So basically the tempreature which fuel burns at at the maximum, is not enough to melt steel. Or even weaken it, letalone create a big smouldering pile of rubble where the bottom was hotter than the reckage which had the fire??
yeah. about that...

I am sure, that there would be hundreds of tons of things that would have cought fire and burnt hot enough to melt steel etc...

[Vause]

it's all stupid, there's far too many conspiaracys.

[Recursion]

Aviation Fule isn't like petrol or diesel, so people can't really compare :]

Also the fuel will just get hotter...hotter....and hotter still untill some kind of the support that the towers needed would have melted.

But the dark smoke showed that the fire was oxygen-starved, particularly in the South Tower.

But I still believe that the intense heat softened or melted the structural elements (floor trusses and columns, etc...) so that they became like chewing gum, and that was enough to trigger the collapse.

[Zample]

But if the fuel just got hotter til it collapsed, wouldn't that be just like the same in the previous airplane collisions? If it was truthfully like that, the towers would have fallen long ago when one airplane originally hit the tower.

[Recursion]

But you've also got to take into account, what was in the offices where the plane hist, desks, chairs, computers, god knows what else. They would have all helped towards the collapse when they had cought fire.

[burton-x]

As I said earlier in this thread,
only 3 skyscraper buildings have collapsed from a fire...
world trade centre 1
world trade centre 2
and worle trade centre 7 (the FBI Building to the right of the towers, real small building compared, covered the FBI's tracks).

Aviation fuel is not enough to bring down buildings that are designed to withstand all sorts to be ALLOWED to be put up in the middle of newyork, especially when the fire didn't even spread over that many floors compared to some sky scraper fires...

[-Soph-]

So basically the tempreature which fuel burns at at the maximum, is not enough to melt steel. Or even weaken it, letalone create a big smouldering pile of rubble where the bottom was hotter than the reckage which had the fire??
yeah. about that...

there is actually an explanation for that, jet fuel burns at 825° C, although steel will only MELT at 1525° C, it looses half (50%) of its strength at 648 ° C

[Virgin Mary]

It severed most of the steel beams and the remaining steel deflected from the heat. The rest of the building is drywall. One storey collapses = all above storeys collapse, all falling onto the floors below causing them to collapse, etc. etc.

[CrazyColaist]

9/11 is v.depressing when 9/11 happened i thought it was all fake.

[-Soph-]

9/11 is v.depressing when 9/11 happened i thought it was all fake.


It's just so surreal, the first time I watched it I was shocked, and to be honest, I still am.

[burton-x]

I walked in thinking somebodie was watching a movie like Die Hard...

[le harry]

I was like 7, i woke up and Mum said there was a bombing in America I was like cool man! Thought it was a joke or something :|

[burton-x]

I was in year 8 I think, still 11 years old though...
Quite shocking

AND THE SCARY THING WAS MY POST COUNT IS 911 FROM THIS POST!!! AMAGADZ :S

[e5..]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=-PCr8CyG1Sg&mode=related&search=

this definatey makes me feel it was planned long befoer the incident...

missles fired, and I bet there were explosives in the building..

[burton-x]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=-PCr8CyG1Sg&mode=related&search=

this definatey makes me feel it was planned long befoer the incident...

missles fired, and I bet there were explosives in the building..
TAKEN FROM LOOSECHANGE...
everybodie check out Loosechange (edition 2 I think is the latest, the last one I saw anyway).

[efq]

Wow, listen to ATC recordings.

And some sicko made a clip of anime people jumping out of the building.

So many clips watch em all

[-Soph-]

I saw a sick cartoon like, last week, it had a picture of the 2 towers hugging eachother with a heart around them, and the planes were about to hit, and a comment saying "I'm falling for you" at the top.

some people really are sick and twisted.

[Aces]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWgSaBT9hNU
Watch that.

[@xP]

It's awfull i nealy cried watching them

[burton-x]

I saw a sick cartoon like, last week, it had a picture of the 2 towers hugging eachother with a heart around them, and the planes were about to hit, and a comment saying "I'm falling for you" at the top.

some people really are sick and twisted.
For alot of people I think it's a way of forgeting how awful it was and trying to get over it to be honest. Some people just want a reaction though :S

[lScottl]

I recently watched a video of a phonecall between a man and the rescue services as the building collapses, that made me very sad.

[Pompous]

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[efq]

I fought there was a explosion...

[-Soph-]

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I don't know what you posted and I don't want to know, but I take it it was making fun of 9/11

**** you.

[Aces]

I recently watched a video of a phonecall between a man and the rescue services as the building collapses, that made me very sad.
yes, i saw it.. Atleast his wife can hear his last words as the phonecall was recorded, others will never hear there loved ones voices again.
Loads of stuff on theese conspiracy vids on YouTube are not valid, as there where some mixups & they just confuse people.

[-Soph-]

I recently watched a video of a phonecall between a man and the rescue services as the building collapses, that made me very sad.

oh jesus, I saw that one too, it was so bad.

[efq]

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The ATC is really shivering.