Death of Benoit's wife posted on Wikipedia 13 hours before bodies found... =S

[Ostinato]

Hey. I know theres threads and stuff on this already - but I find, out of all the twists and turns in relation to the whole benoit homicide/suicide story - this is perhaps the weirdest of all.

As you all know, on wikipedia anyone can edit stuff and make entries.

The other night, someone posted an entry stating how benoit wasn't at his wwe match due to the passing of his wife... However - it was posted 13 hours before any of the Benoit's bodies were found...

So how could this person have known his wife was dead...? :rolleyes:

Lol I just found it quite a weird twist in the story and thought I'd see what ya'll are saying to it! :P

http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,287194,00.html

[Brody]

yep is very very odd

[dirrty]

thats weird. well hopefully next week or in a few weeks, everything should be answered.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Oh dear.

If WWE has made this up, then it's not going to look good for them.

[Brody]

if it was actually made up wouldnt be on the news

the death of mr.mcmahon was a fake storyline and didnt get any news at all

[Ostinato]

Oh dear.

If WWE has made this up, then it's not going to look good for them.

Why would it be made up? :S

It's a fact...?

[Lycan]

Do not argue with the Wiki ... it knows all, it tells all ... it never lies... and it now appears to show the future...

[-:Undertaker:-]

Why would it be made up? :S

It's a fact...?


WWE make things up, althought I probably do believe they are dead.

Weird, eh?

[Ostinato]

WWE make things up, althought I probably do believe they are dead.

Weird, eh?

Yes the whole concept of WWE is fiction - for instance Vince McMahon being blown up in a limo last week.

However, for you to even suggest this is "fake" is quite naive, I believe, as it's pretty clear there's a difference between the fiction side of things and when a real wrestler dies... :S

Sorry but I think you need to wake up and grow up to be honest...

[-:Undertaker:-]

Yes the whole concept of WWE is fiction - for instance Vince McMahon being blown up in a limo last week.

However, for you to even suggest this is "fake" is quite naive, I believe, as it's pretty clear there's a difference between the fiction side of things and when a real wrestler dies... :S

Sorry but I think you need to wake up and grow up to be honest...

Grow up?

Oh is this you getting annoyed after I had a go at you in that thread?

It just seems suspicous to me that someone would know before the bodies are discovered.

Either WWE or a murderer I think now, I never really thought Benoit would kill his family.

[Ostinato]

Grow up?

Oh is this you getting annoyed after I had a go at you in that thread?

It just seems suspicous to me that someone would know before the bodies are discovered.

Either WWE or a murderer I think now, I never really thought Benoit would kill his family.

Pmsl no, but as per usual - if you wish to cast things up feel free.

I just think you seem pretty immature to try and claim that it's part of a storyline or something, as it's pretty obvious it's real and has been reported worldwide in the press?

This is the death of an innocent child and woman due to their husband - not some silly storyline on Habbo or something pal.

[RedStratocas]

uh... i wouldn't trust that article if i were you. 1) its fox news, and they dont know anything. and 2) its just a headline and some reporter's name? maybe it's just me, but this is all I see:

http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/9798/huhfox1mh0.png

if you can see an actual article, can you post it?

[2hd.]

I think some time zones got mixed up.

[Browney]

WWE know how sensitive an issue this is. That is why all Benoit's dedication vids were removed when it was releaved he might be a killer. They know when not to cross the line.

Edit: Here you go Strato. I *think* Pokemon quoted an article.

Source: Pwinsider (Wrestling site) & FoxNews

The Fox News Network reported a chilling twist to the Benoit tragedy this afternoon, noting that an Chris Benoit profile entry on the wikipedia website was changed to note that he missed the WWE Vengeance PPV, "due to personal issues, stemming from the death of his wife Nancy" 14 hours before the Benoit family was found dead.
The IP was traced to a (so far) anonymous user originating in Stamford, CT, which of course is the headquarters of World Wrestling Entertainment.
wikipedia volunteer coordinator Cary Bass contacted the Fayetteville police department in regard to the posting. "I chat with other editors on IRC -- Internet relay chat -- and somebody pointed it out to me on a relay chat and that it came from a Stamford connection, and that it took place at midnight Eastern Standard Time on Monday morning,” said Bass. “I called and left a message with the police department.”
It should be noted that with wikipedia, anyone can edit entries on the online encylopedia, which often leads to misinformation on topics and personalities. However, wikipedia tracks IPs, time and exactly what was written on the website, so this wouldn't have been a case of a hoax created afer the fact.
Given the timing of the Benoit tragedy, obviously, authorities will be seeking to track down whoever made that change.

[Ostinato]

uh... i wouldn't trust that article if i were you. 1) its fox news, and they dont know anything. and 2) its just a headline and some reporter's name? maybe it's just me, but this is all I see:

http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/9798/huhfox1mh0.png

if you can see an actual article, can you post it?

I see a full article...

[RedStratocas]

I see a full article...

can you post it or something?

[Ostinato]

Web Time Stamps Indicate Nancy Benoit's Death Reported on Web at Least 13 Hours Before Police Found Bodies in Her Home

Thursday , June 28, 2007
By Blane Bachelor

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An anonymous user operating a computer traced to Stamford, Conn. — home to World Wrestling Entertainment — posted an entry to pro wrestler Chris Benoit's biography on Wikipedia.org announcing the death of his wife Nancy at least 13 hours before police in suburban Atlanta said they found her body along with her husband's and that of their 7-year-old son, FOXNews.com has learned.

Employees at Wikipedia.org said the posting went live on their site on Monday at 12:01 a.m. Eastern Standard Time. Police, however, said they found the bodies Monday at 2:30 p.m. EDT.

The posting reads: “Chris Benoit was replaced by [[Johnny Nitro]] for the ECW Championship match at Vengeance, as Benoit was not there due to personal issues, stemming from the death of his wife Nancy.” According to a Wikipedia.org report published after FOXNews.com made inquiries, the edit was reversed just under one hour later with the comment:

"Need a reliable source. Saying that his wife died is a pretty big statement, you need to back it up with something."

The posting apparently was made in reference to Benoit's scheduled appearance on Sunday night at an Extreme Championship Wrestling event in Texas.

An employee from Wikipedia.org told FOXNews.com that he called and left a message with investigative authorities in Fayetteville, Ga., at around 11 a.m. EDT on Tuesday, after the posting was brought to the attention of the St. Petersburg, Fla.-based Web site.

“I chat with other editors on IRC — Internet relay chat — and somebody pointed it out to me on a relay chat and that it came from a Stamford connection, and that it took place at midnight Eastern Standard Time on Monday morning,” said Wikipedia.org volunteer coordinator Cary Bass. “I called and left a message with the police department.”

The computer-generated time and date stamp of the Benoit entry are listed as 4:01, 25 June 2007. Wikipedia.org lists its entries according to Universal Time, also known as Greenwich Mean Time.

Further investigation, according to Wikipedia.com, shows that one hour after the first edit reversion, another anonymous edit by 125.63.148.173 using unwiredAustralia.com.au, a wireless Internet service provider, was made adding about the aforementioned personal issues: "which according to several pro wrestling websites is attributed to the passing of Benoit's wife, Nancy."

That edit was reverted less than 20 minutes later, with the following comment: "Saying 'several pro wrestling websites' is still not reliable information." The second edit was made by a computer in Australia from a wireless network, according to Wikipedia.org.

A message left by FOXNews.com with Lt. Tommy Pope of the Fayette County Sheriff’s Department was not immediately returned.

Investigators so far have ruled the Benoit killings as a double homicide-suicide.

Wikipedia.org claims to be one of the largest reference Web sites, and is written collaboratively by users from around the world. Approved users can make submissions and change entries that are posted on the site almost immediately. Bass said the site is constantly monitored to correct inaccuracies.

Bass said when there is a high-profile case, such as the Benoit killlings, Wikipedia.org limits postings to registered users, which is now indicated at the top of the Benoit entry. According to the listed history on the Benoit entry, the computer used to post the 12:01 a.m. entry had a Stamford, Conn., Internet Protocol — or IP — address, a numeric designation that is assigned to every computer with an Internet connection, and that same address has been used to post about a dozen other messages on the site, dating back to May 16, 2007.

In related news, FOXNews.com also has learned, through widely posted Web reports, that former pro wrestler Sherri Martel, who was found dead on June 15, was linked to former wrestler Kevin Sullivan — ex-husband of Nancy Benoit.

Click here to read more about the death of Sherri Martel.

Martel, who had a reputation as one of the top managers in pro wrestling, was found dead at her mother’s home in near Birmingham, Ala., on June 15. She was 49.

Investigators, who have not yet determined Martel's cause of death, say foul play is not suspected but that Martel did not die of natural causes.


It's an official FOX NEWS page.

[Colin-Roberts]

ostinato beat me to it.
the story: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,287194,00.html
a weird thing that happened a week earlier: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,287182,00.html

[You]

Sorry, posted. http://habboxforum.com/showpost.php?p=3660579&postcount=77

[:Hazel]

thats proper weird...

[PaulMacC]

Plus theres an actual thread
covering it in the sports section.

[Ostinato]

Sorry, posted. http://habboxforum.com/showpost.php?p=3660579&postcount=77

erm yeh - and like I said there has already been some threads and stuff about it all, but I was making one in this section to get a wider perspective and range of opinions on this particular matter. :)

[-:Undertaker:-]

Pmsl no, but as per usual - if you wish to cast things up feel free.

I just think you seem pretty immature to try and claim that it's part of a storyline or something, as it's pretty obvious it's real and has been reported worldwide in the press?

This is the death of an innocent child and woman due to their husband - not some silly storyline on Habbo or something pal.

It wouldn't suprise me as WWE do like the press.

Also you can try and have a go at me for playing Habbo, A game which you used to play, but I couldn't care less, pal.

At the bottom of the article it said there was another wrestling releated death not long ago, perhaps they are linked?

[PaulMacC]

Scary stuff , Do you still think Chris murdered his son & wife ?

[Ostinato]

It wouldn't suprise me as WWE do like the press.

Also you can try and have a go at me for playing Habbo, A game which you used to play, but I couldn't care less, pal.

At the bottom of the article it said there was another wrestling releated death not long ago, perhaps they are linked?

You really are so immature... I didn't have a go at you for playing habbo. I just said, this isn't some sort of childish storyline or game which you would perhaps find on some sort of game designed for children - such as Habbo. :) Yes, I did play Habbo - but havn't actually actively played it for around two years now...

I just think, regardless of you playing habbo or anything - for you to try and claim that this is just some sort of fake, publicity stunt, in my eyes, is pretty naive. :)

[Brody]

also if it was a fake story they WOULD NOT involve a 7 year old child that has like mental problems

[-:Undertaker:-]

Scary stuff , Do you still think Chris murdered his son & wife ?

I have doubts now, at the bakc of my mind I always wondered how a family man could do that.




You really are so immature... I didn't have a go at you for playing habbo. I just said, this isn't some sort of childish storyline or game which you would perhaps find on some sort of game designed for children - such as Habbo. :) Yes, I did play Habbo - but havn't actually actively played it for around two years now...

I just think, regardless of you playing habbo or anything - for you to try and claim that this is just some sort of fake, publicity stunt, in my eyes, is pretty naive. :)

The way yuo put it, it was a dig at me for playing Habbo.

It could be, but I think it could mostly be a murder more than a storyline.

Next few days/weeks will be very interesting..

[Ostinato]

also if it was a fake story they WOULD NOT involve a 7 year old child that has like mental problems

My point exactly.

I just think if kids these days can't recognise the difference between the fake stories portrayed by the WWE and real life, harrowing situations...

Mind you - this thread is the first instance I've ever actually seen someone try to claim it's "fake"... :rolleyes:

[PaulMacC]

If Chris is proven innocent then the WWE has some explaining to do.
They removed every single trace of Chris from their site.

They would owe every single Benoit fan an apology.

[-:Undertaker:-]

My point exactly.

I just think if kids these days can't recognise the difference between the fake stories portrayed by the WWE and real life, harrowing situations...

Mind you - this thread is the first instance I've ever actually seen someone try to claim it's "fake"... :rolleyes:

I accept they may not use a 7 year old child, but maybe this time they have gone a step too far?, like for example I think Big Brother go to far sometimes with sex etc.

WWE does go over the top too much nowadays, that's why I no longer watch it and haven't for about 2 years.

[Brody]

sorry undertaker

but to even think its fake now i think is a tad whats the word narrow minded maybe i just dont think no1 would stoop that low.

[Ostinato]

I accept they may not use a 7 year old child, but maybe this time they have gone a step too far?, like for example I think Big Brother go to far sometimes with sex etc.

WWE does go over the top too much nowadays, that's why I no longer watch it and haven't for about 2 years.

Don't really see what big brother and sex have to do with anything - considering that's one of the main aspects which many viewers wish to see and are interested in...

Your naivety strikes me more and more with every post. :)

[-:Undertaker:-]

Don't really see what big brother and sex have to do with anything - considering that's one of the main aspects which many viewers wish to see and are interested in...

Your naivety strikes me more and more with every post. :)

Do you not understand, we see people having sex on TV, a WWE murder storyline wouldn't suprise me.

But I think it's a murder.

[Brody]

also there was already a murder storyline about mr .mcmahon but that got pulled after benoit died

[Ostinato]

Do you not understand, we see people having sex on TV, a WWE murder storyline wouldn't suprise me.

But I think it's a murder.

Yes because seeing sex on TV and a fake murder is exactly the same thing... :rolleyes:

I think your the one who doesn't understand pal. It has already been stated - he committed suicide by hanging himself with his weights. He strangled his wife. He smothered his son - end of. You may wish to live in some little world and believe it's not true if you want, but your just deluding yourself and making yourself even more naive.

Also, I don't see why you think sex on tv is a big deal considering it's a billion dollar industry.

[CrazyColaist]

......... MUM IM SCARED.

[-mark74-]

They removed every single trace of Chris from their site.


http://www.wwe.com/shows/wrestlemania/history/wm20/ :rolleyes:

Vince came to the ring on Monday said something among the lines of "my death was a storyline, benoit is really dead" He wouldn't have told everyone WWE is scripted if benoit's death was fake...

Edit ~ 600 posts :D

[Virgin Mary]

Because someone killed them then put it on wikipedia.

[Antallica]

Pretty weird.

[GoldenMerc]

Hmm thats one wierd thing :S

[-Soph-]

uh... i wouldn't trust that article if i were you. 1) its fox news, and they dont know anything. and 2) its just a headline and some reporter's name? maybe it's just me, but this is all I see:

http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/9798/huhfox1mh0.png

if you can see an actual article, can you post it?


uh huh....
I can only find one report on it, it/most likely will turn out to be fake..


remember those reports they said Paris had committed suicide in jail? that's proof that the news can get it wrong.

[Nixt]

If it is true then obviously there is some link and more to the murder / suicide than we know about; which is quite scary.

[Shawnstra]

Interesting! Maybe the user is just predicting Benoit's wife is dead.

[Ostinato]

uh huh....
I can only find one report on it, it/most likely will turn out to be fake..


remember those reports they said Paris had committed suicide in jail? that's proof that the news can get it wrong.



Of course the news can get it wrong. You know what they say - don't believe everything you read (especially in newspapers! xD).

I'm just posting about the article though to get a wider range of users responses to it. This threads gotten pretty off topic to be honest, and I'd prefer if we could stay on discussing the issue rather than how the whole thing "might be fake" :rolleyes:.

[Charlie]

It could be something like the person who wrote it was doing it as a joke, and it just so happened it turned out to be true, or the guy himself wrote it, and then went and killed his wfie, child and his self?

It does seem really weird though.

[GoldenMerc]

I doubt Chris wrote it himself tbh Charlie but this is very suprising and wierd

[-mark74-]

I think someone just predicted his wife died when it said family emergency.



Because someone killed them then put it on wikipedia.


They couldn't have. The mom died on Saturday,the kid sunday and benoit monday.

[shokz]

I think someone just predicted his wife died when it said family emergency.



They couldn't have. The mom died on Saturday,the kid sunday and benoit monday.
no nancy died on friday child on saturday and chris on sunday

[Hitman]

I think some time zones got mixed up.
Everybody ignored this post... it probably is what 2hd. said. :P

[Ostinato]

Everybody ignored this post... it probably is what 2hd. said. :P

No they never - I already posted saying that wikipedia came out announcing the time dates which was transferred into the other appropriate ones. It's nothing to do with the timezones.

[Hitman]

No they never - I already posted saying that wikipedia came out announcing the time dates which was transferred into the other appropriate ones. It's nothing to do with the timezones.Okay okay, chill. :8

[-mark74-]

no nancy died on friday child on saturday and chris on sunday

Thanks, that's what i meant ;)


The following is from Wikipedia.com:

The anonymous individual responsible for suggesting, 14 hours before police discovered the body, that WWE wrestler Chris Benoit's wife was dead is confessing, saying his/her comment was a "terrible coincidence."

The anonymous editor left a lengthy apology to the Wikimedia community, explaining, "I hope this puts an end to this speculation that someone knew about the tragedy before it was discovered."

Below is the full, unedited apology:

"... Hey everyone. I am here to talk about the wikipedia comment that was left by myself. I just want to say that it was an incredible coincidence. Last weekend, I had heard about Chris Benoit no showing Vengeance because of a family emergency, and I had heard rumors about why that was. I was reading rumors and speculation about this matter online, and one of them included that his wife may have passed away, and I did the wrong thing by posting it on wikipedia to spite there being no evidence. I posted my speculation on the situation at the time and I am deeply sorry about this, and I was just as shocked as everyone when I heard that this actually would happen in real life. It is one of those things that just turned into a huge coincidence. That night I found out that what I posted, ended up actually happening, a 1 in 10,000 chance of happening, or so I thought. I was beyond wrong for posting wrongful information, and I am sorry to everyone for this. I just want everyone to know it was stupid of me, and I will never do anything like this again. I just posted something that was at that time a piece of wrong unsourced information that is typical on wikipedia, as it is done all the time.

Nonetheless, I feel incredibly bad for all the attention this got because of the fact that what I said turned out to be the truth. Like I said it was just a major coincidence, and I will never vandalize anything on wikipedia or post wrongful information. I've learned from this experience. I just can't believe what I wrote was actually the case, I've remained stunned and saddened over it.

I wish not to reveal my identity so I can keep me and my family out of this since they have nothing to do with anything. I am not connected to WWE or Benoit at all in anyway. I am from Stamford as the IP address shows, and I am just an everyday individual who posted a wrongful remark at the time that received so much attention because it turned out to actually happen. I will say again I didn't know anything about the Benoit tragedy, it was a terrible coincidence that I never saw coming.

I hope this puts an end to this speculation that someone knew about the tragedy before it was discovered. It was just a rumor that I had heard about from other people online who were speculating what the family emergency Chris was attending to. I made a big mistake by posting this comment on his page, since all we had were what we thought was going on and nothing about what actually was going on yet, and sadly what happened turned out to be my speculation at the time. I assumed wiki would edit out my information, which they did, so thats why I didn't go back to edit it out myself.

I know I keep repeating it but I feel terrible about the mainstream coverage this has received, since it was only a huge coincidence and a terrible event that should of never happened. I am not sure how to react, as hearing about my message becoming a huge part of the Benoit slayings made me feel terrible as everyone believes that it is connected to the tragedy, but it was just an awful coincidence. That is all I have to say, I will never post anything here again unless it is pure fact, no spam nothing like that. Thank you, and let this end this chapter of the Benoit story, and hopefully one day we will find out why this tragedy ever actually happened."

Edit - I Was right :)

[-Soph-]

Of course the news can get it wrong. You know what they say - don't believe everything you read (especially in newspapers! xD).

I'm just posting about the article though to get a wider range of users responses to it. This threads gotten pretty off topic to be honest, and I'd prefer if we could stay on discussing the issue rather than how the whole thing "might be fake" :rolleyes:.


Actually I don't know, it seems kinda real now.

It's been on CNN etc... apparently the guy who did it called it a "terrible coincidence" haha.


I don't know what to think really, there's not a valid explanation for it :s

[JFolan]

id be really scared if i was tht guy lol id not sleep for weeks

[Blinger1]

if i am correct an australian posted the original benoit death?

and here is the user who posted it admitting to doing something a-rather on wikimedia/wikipedia

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=275997

[Ostinato]

It was real. It turns out it was just a big coincidence.

[indian8132]

yea i am currently watching Fox News and ahave been for around an hour and I heard summit like this