where have i heard this from

[hadouken!]

its either a really well spread rumour or true

is it true that they are going to make some mini black hople thats going to solve global warming?

[mrwoooooooo]

I doubt that's true, because black holes eat everything?

[shokz]

lol at this from what i know and a bit of common sense you cant make a black holes as its natural

[FlyingJesus]

Even if it was possible to create one (and somehow regulate the size), I don't see how a black hole could help global warming.

[Virgin Mary]

lol at this from what i know and a bit of common sense you cant make a black holes as its natural
Smashing 2 subatomic particles into each other creates black holes. They aren't going to do this as any black hole below a certain mass just moves into the core due to gravity and anything over a certain mass would be too dangerous.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Global Warming doesn't exist and is proven that humans don't cause it, also they don't actually know if Black Holes exist :)

[Virgin Mary]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_hole
wth =]
it sounds like my computer when i delete stuff

[mrwoooooooo]

Global Warming doesn't exist and is proven that humans don't cause it, also they don't actually know if Black Holes exist :)
Yes... okay, Global warming does exist, even if humans don't have anything to do with it.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Yes... okay, Global warming does exist, even if humans don't have anything to do with it.

No, it's just called 'what always happens and has been since the Earth was created'

[FlyingJesus]

Just because it always happens doesn't mean you can't give it a name though, that's like saying I can't call you Dan because you're always Dan.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Just because it always happens doesn't mean you can't give it a name though, that's like saying I can't call you Dan because you're always Dan.

Tom it cools also, do you can't call it Global Warming.

I prefer to call it nature :)

[FlyingJesus]

FINE I'LL CALL IT GEORGE

[hadouken!]

Smashing 2 subatomic particles into each other creates black holes. They aren't going to do this as any black hole below a certain mass just moves into the core due to gravity and anything over a certain mass would be too dangerous.

Doesnt that create antimatter, which ISNT in black holes?


Global Warming doesn't exist and is proven that humans don't cause it, also they don't actually know if Black Holes exist :)

have yopu ever watched an inconveniant truth, and the stats. it is OBVIOUSLY us.

[Nemo]

Lol either way, "global warming" will end up flooding us and then by that time we'll be super people and we can fly =P and we live in the sky or the moon ;]

[hadouken!]

FINE I'LL CALL IT GEORGE

you make me laugh sometimes :P

[[DC]eption]

Doesnt that create antimatter, which ISNT in black holes?



have yopu ever watched an inconveniant truth, and the stats. it is OBVIOUSLY us.

Its not obviously us... it has been hapening for millions of years.

[Plank]

No, it's just called 'what always happens and has been since the Earth was created'
yeah, the greenhouse effect is natural, but global warming is caused by humans using too many greenhouse gases and speeding up the warming process.

[velvet]

there's currently a big project currently going on in Geneva, since 2002, some scientists built the worlds biggest particle accelerator (CERN) which will be turned on in 2008 (i think, i can't remember the year aha)
but that's to try and work out how the universe was created.
nothing to do with global warming but maybe that's what they were talking about s;
there was a programme on it a few months back.

[hadouken!]

Its not obviously us... it has been hapening for millions of years.

so your saying this is natural:

http://cdiac.ornl.gov/trends/emis//graphics/global.total.gif

highly doubt that. this is hardly millions of years to make the change so drastic, more 300 years? oh if you compair that to the average temperature change it looks about the same.


there's currently a big project currently going on in Geneva, since 2002, some scientists built the worlds biggest particle accelerator (CERN) which will be turned on in 2008 (i think, i can't remember the year aha)

but that's to try and work out how the universe was created.
nothing to do with global warming but maybe that's what they were talking about s;
there was a programme on it a few months back.

isnt that the dan brown book. yeah its the clashing of subatomic particales that creates anti-matter. thats what i was saying, but apparently it creates black holes instead..

[mrwoooooooo]

so your saying this is natural:

http://cdiac.ornl.gov/trends/emis//graphics/global.total.gif

highly doubt that. this is hardly millions of years to make the change so drastic, more 300 years? oh if you compair that to the average temperature change it looks about the same.



isnt that the dan brown book. yeah its the clashing of subatomic particales that creates anti-matter. thats what i was saying, but apparently it creates black holes instead..
The timescale you used is nowhere near long enough.

[poloolop]

obv the black hole stuff is rubbish, but the thing is that all the stuff going on has happened for millions of years.
The amounts of stuff - mostly anything, has been going up and down since time began.
It has been happening forever, jsut we are slightly contributing, and in time it will go back down. Naturelle.

[hadouken!]

obv the black hole stuff is rubbish, but the thing is that all the stuff going on has happened for millions of years.

The amounts of stuff - mostly anything, has been going up and down since time began.
It has been happening forever, jsut we are slightly contributing, and in time it will go back down. Naturelle.

if it does i'll be shocked. when are we expecting this big cool down? when half of our species are dead? maybe when the oceans have reached boiling point, when were getting some lovely cosmic rays giving us skin cancer? just when do we think?

should you not all get your heads out of the clouds by calling this natural, accept that you are in denial that we are killing our planet and slaughtering every living creature :)

[poloolop]

This is the hottest our planet has been for a long time. at the beggining the world was completely boiling. and that cooled right down didnt it?

[littlestar.19]

huh? i'd love some 1 to explain how u make a black hole, lmao x

it would be great if it was true, =]

[Foobar]

Global Warming doesn't exist and is proven that humans don't cause it, also they don't actually know if Black Holes exist :)Why would people waste their time seeing if humans don't cause it if they know Global Warming doesn't exist? :rolleyes:

[poloolop]

huh? i'd love some 1 to explain how u make a black hole, lmao x

it would be great if it was true, =]


haha me and you both.

[hobo]

i'm with undertaker, global warming doesn't exist.

my geography teacher convinced me.
the earth has been heating up and cooling down since it was created, just look at ice ages? they came and went, because the earth heated up and cooled by itself.
human's do not cause it, it's just that at the moment it's been a long time without a cooling down period, so people are worrying and looking for something to blame it on.
tis a load of toss.

[Ostinato]

How does global warming not exist?

Fair enough it is a natural occurrence and has happened before with regulations in the earth's temperature.

However, you can't say that humans haven't caused it at all, as it's clear with our increase of carbon emissions such as power plants and pollution etc. have definitely helped speed up and further this global warming.

[poloolop]

i'm with undertaker, global warming doesn't exist.

my geography teacher convinced me.
the earth has been heating up and cooling down since it was created, just look at ice ages? they came and went, because the earth heated up and cooled by itself.
human's do not cause it, it's just that at the moment it's been a long time without a cooling down period, so people are worrying and looking for something to blame it on.
tis a load of toss.

thank you for some1 else with a brain. haha.

[Ostinato]

thank you for some1 else with a brain. haha.

Fair enough, the earth's temperature does naturally regulate. However, how can you cannot deny us humans haven't exactly been helping the issue and making it worse.

[-:Undertaker:-]

FINE I'LL CALL IT GEORGE

FYN DEN M8




Doesnt that create antimatter, which ISNT in black holes?



have yopu ever watched an inconveniant truth, and the stats. it is OBVIOUSLY us.

It isn't, I wish all of you people would explain how the numerous ice ages and hot periods were caused.

Also on your chart, there were gases released by volcanos and still are being released, so 0 gases doesn't make sence as gas is always being released by methane pools and other things.


yeah, the greenhouse effect is natural, but global warming is caused by humans using too many greenhouse gases and speeding up the warming process.

So your basically saying that the Earth has always been warming up?, but we're speeding it up?, what about the ice ages, there was still a ozone layer then.


Why would people waste their time seeing if humans don't cause it if they know Global Warming doesn't exist? :rolleyes:

Ahh so if the media and money grabbing governments believe this trash, we should just follow them and pay more taxes? I see.

Have you noticed the media and Goverments never let the scientists who think Global Warming doesn't exist, have a say?

[Ostinato]

FYN DEN M8



It isn't, I wish all of you people would explain how the numerous ice ages and hot periods were caused.

Also on your chart, there were gases released by volcanos and still are being released, so 0 gases doesn't make sence as gas is always being released by methane pools and other things.



So your basically saying that the Earth has always been warming up?, but we're speeding it up?, what about the ice ages, there was still a ozone layer then.



Ahh so if the media and money grabbing governments believe this trash, we should just follow them and pay more taxes? I see.

Have you noticed the media and Goverments never let the scientists who think Global Warming doesn't exist, have a say?


Lol I really cannot have a dicussion with you about anything...

You always seem to have a really biased and one sided side of an argument in your head, and you just constantly repeat that over and over rather than address anyone elses counter arguments.

I also find the majority of your arguments to be pretty naive and narrow-minded.

Just my opinion. :)

[-:Undertaker:-]

Lol I really cannot have a dicussion with you about anything...

You always seem to have a really biased and one sided side of an argument in your head, and you just constantly repeat that over and over rather than address anyone elses counter arguments.

I also find the majority of your arguments to be pretty naive and narrow-minded.

Just my opinion. :)


No, Just because I think Global Warming is a load of absolute crap doesn't mean my views are narrow minded, I used to believe in it and I have thought about it many times.

Basically your saying if any of my opinions don't match yours, i'm naive?, I think your very naive thinking like that.

[Ostinato]

No, Just because I think Global Warming is a load of absolute crap doesn't mean my views are narrow minded, I used to believe in it and I have thought about it many times.

Basically your saying if any of my opinions don't match yours, i'm naive?, I think your very naive thinking like that.

No, I'm just saying from a collection of the posts I have seen you make in the past week regarding a number of very diverse issues, I feel that the majority of your opinions regarding them come across pretty naive and narrow-minded. I'm not going to cast up, but that's my opinion. I'm not saying your opinion regarding the global warming thing is naive, as I agree that is a widely shared opinion by many.

However, you seem incapable to accept that other people do in fact disagree with you on it and all you seem to do is constantly reinforce the same thing over and over rather than ever consider anyone else's point of view.

Like I say - it is simply my opinion. If you disagree with it, fair enough.

[hadouken!]

Undertaker will disagree, therefore once again proving you are right.

[-:Undertaker:-]

No, I'm just saying from a collection of the posts I have seen you make in the past week regarding a number of very diverse issues, I feel that the majority of your opinions regarding them come across pretty naive and narrow-minded. I'm not going to cast up, but that's my opinion. I'm not saying your opinion regarding the global warming thing is naive, as I agree that is a widely shared opinion by many.

However, you seem incapable to accept that other people do in fact disagree with you on it and all you seem to do is constantly reinforce the same thing over and over rather than ever consider anyone else's point of view.

Like I say - it is simply my opinion. If you disagree with it, fair enough.

It's called a 'debate', other people who disagree over Global Warming, I accept that.

Also to the person who -repped me in saying 'Black Holes aren't proven to exist', I have read it in a science book so it's a scientific fact, so instead of -repping me why don't you actually face up to me and argue your opinion you coward.

[Ostinato]

Undertaker will disagree, therefore once again proving you are right.

haha most likely! :P

[-:Undertaker:-]

Undertaker will disagree, therefore once again proving you are right.

Great arguement mate :rolleyes:

[Ostinato]

Great arguement mate :rolleyes:

A lot better than any one you have sufficed within the thread... (imo) ;):P

[-:Undertaker:-]

A lot better than any one you have sufficed within the thread... (imo) ;):P

You ignored all of what I said and decided not to argue about Global Warming, but chose to argue about me.

So i'd suggest you read over what I have said and if you don't agree with me, then you can challenge what I have said.

[Ostinato]

You ignored all of what I said and decided not to argue about Global Warming, but chose to argue about me.

So i'd suggest you read over what I have said and if you don't agree with me, then you can challenge what I have said.

I think you'll actually find I did challenge you about the issue, which you ignored. I therefore challenged your presence within the thread as a whole as you did ignore my post in the first place - so I'd suggest you get your facts right before making your accusations pal.

[-:Undertaker:-]

How does global warming not exist?

Fair enough it is a natural occurrence and has happened before with regulations in the earth's temperature.

However, you can't say that humans haven't caused it at all, as it's clear with our increase of carbon emissions such as power plants and pollution etc. have definitely helped speed up and further this global warming.

That's it?

You haven't challenged anything I said, I can't actually reply to that as I have already said things which explain Global Warming.




I think you'll actually find I did challenge you about the issue, which you ignored. I therefore challenged your presence within the thread as a whole as you did ignore my post in the first place - so I'd suggest you get your facts right before making your accusations pal.

Look above.



i'm with undertaker, global warming doesn't exist.

my geography teacher convinced me.
the earth has been heating up and cooling down since it was created, just look at ice ages? they came and went, because the earth heated up and cooled by itself.
human's do not cause it, it's just that at the moment it's been a long time without a cooling down period, so people are worrying and looking for something to blame it on.
tis a load of toss.


Exactly, your Geography teacher had brains just like one of my Science Teachers :)

Ostinato, I find it strange how you target my posts which were more detailed than his/hers and yet you say 'I feel that the majority of your opinions regarding them come across pretty naive and narrow-minded.'

[Ostinato]

That's it?

You haven't challenged anything I said, I can't actually reply to that as I have already said things which explain Global Warming.



Look above.



Exactly, your Geography teacher had brains just like one of my Science Teachers :)

Ostinato, I find it strange how you target my posts which were more detailed than his/hers and yet you say 'I feel that the majority of your opinions regarding them come across pretty naive and narrow-minded.'

I've already indicated to you, when I said the majority of your opinions come across naive and narrow-minded I wasn't reffering to this thread but moreso a wider range of threads you have been posting in this week. I said to you, that I respect your opinion upon this matter and agree that it is a widely believed opinion.

I fail to see how you cannot respond to my challenge of the argument. You claim global warming isn't caused by humans at all and is solely nature. I then posted in response to that disagreeing saying that of course nature does have a role, but so do we as humans and we are responsible for helping speed it up.

You could have therefore responded to that indicating that you agree or disagree - therefore I fail to see how you can try to make out as though my post was unjustifiable.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I've already indicated to you, when I said the majority of your opinions come across naive and narrow-minded I wasn't reffering to this thread but moreso a wider range of threads you have been posting in this week. I said to you, that I respect your opinion upon this matter and agree that it is a widely believed opinion.

I fail to see how you cannot respond to my challenge of the argument. You claim global warming isn't caused by humans at all and is solely nature. I then posted in response to that disagreeing saying that of course nature does have a role, but so do we as humans and we are responsible for helping speed it up.

You could have therefore responded to that indicating that you agree or disagree - therefore I fail to see how you can try to make out as though my post was unjustifiable.


I have said that it's been happening for many years, therefore Humans don't contribute to it at all.

Let's say when the Earths first Warmign Period, it took 100 years? yeah, well all of them are not going to take 100 years are they, some will take thousands of years and some will be 60 years long, 30 years long, 2 million years long, Just because this one is 'considered' fast doesn't mean we speed it up.

Also to let you know, I missed your post but when I look at it, I have already covered these things before.

I dont' reply to every single post in this thread, only ones which I think are worth replying to.

Anyway, which of my posts are narrow minded from this week?

[Ostinato]

I have said that it's been happening for many years, therefore Humans don't contribute to it at all.

Let's say when the Earths first Warmign Period, it took 100 years? yeah, well all of them are not going to take 100 years are they, some will take thousands of years and some will be 60 years long, 30 years long, 2 million years long, Just because this one is 'considered' fast doesn't mean we speed it up.

Also to let you know, I missed your post but when I look at it, I have already covered these things before.

I dont' reply to every single post in this thread, only ones which I think are worth replying to.

Anyway, which of my posts are narrow minded from this week?

If you think I'm going to bring up every post you've made your mistaken, as to be honest I've a lot better things to be spending my time on and I'm about to go offline as I am waiting on my girlfriend coming here.

Anyway, like I said originally - you actually do not respond to peoples posts anyway, you just reinstate what you said in the first place - which is pretty pointless all round.

I'm sure a lot of people within this thread see what I'm saying anyway, lol, so it's done mate. :) :rolleyes:

[-:Undertaker:-]

If you think I'm going to bring up every post you've made your mistaken, as to be honest I've a lot better things to be spending my time on and I'm about to go offline as I am waiting on my girlfriend coming here.

Anyway, like I said originally - you actually do not respond to peoples posts anyway, you just reinstate what you said in the first place - which is pretty pointless all round.

I'm sure a lot of people within this thread see what I'm saying anyway, lol, so it's done mate. :) :rolleyes:


Fine. but next time you say something like that, please give examples :)

I do respond to peoples posts, but sometimes I prefer to not quote peoples posts and do a 'general reply' to everyone.

I only reinstate what I have said when people either quote me and say 'it does exist' which means they have completely ignored what I have stated.

It's called discussing mate, try and learn it one day.

[Ostinato]

Fine. but next time you say something like that, please give examples :)

I do respond to peoples posts, but sometimes I prefer to not quote peoples posts and do a 'general reply' to everyone.

I only reinstate what I have said when people either quote me and say 'it does exist' which means they have completely ignored what I have stated.

It's called discussing mate, try and learn it one day.

Pmsl, you make me laugh so much.

Discussing? No pal, I think you need to learn discussing. Discussing is when you actually consider other point's of view and peoples opinions. You simply have your own set point of view and simply reinstate it repeatedly. I also find, generally, a lot of your views on things are quite deluded and childish - for example in relation to the whole benoit thing, with you so definite that it was all fake and stuff although it was basically a proven fact it had happened.

Anyhoo, I have better things to do rather than waste more time on the likes of you. :)

[-:Undertaker:-]

Pmsl, you make me laugh so much.

Discussing? No pal, I think you need to learn discussing. Discussing is when you actually consider other point's of view and peoples opinions. You simply have your own set point of view and simply reinstate it repeatedly. I also find, generally, a lot of your views on things are quite deluded and childish - for example in relation to the whole benoit thing, with you so definite that it was all fake and stuff although it was basically a proven fact it had happened.

Anyhoo, I have better things to do rather than waste more time on the likes of you. :)

I have looked at both sides of the arguement..

But I just don't see an arguement to say Global Warming exists, also would you like me in one post to argue for, then in the next post argue against it?, i'd get flamed and i'd be posting things which I don't believe in.

I also find it strange how you didn't have a go at the other persion who said it was a load of bull, but they went into less detail about it.

Anyhoo, I find it strange how in every thread you seem determined to have a go at me then when it's time for you to go you say 'I don't want to waste time', why even awknowlege my posts if it's a waste of time?

So please do ignore me in future.

[OMGitsaROSS]

"Global Warming" is that natural occurance before an ice age imo.

[Ostinato]

So please do ignore me in future.

I find that quite difficult when your constantly posting crap.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I find that quite difficult when your constantly posting crap.

Oh it's very easy

'Post reply' - Do not click.

I have to say, I have posted more about the issue and gone into more depth than you.

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=370167 (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=370167)
Above is more proof that it doesn't exist.

[FlyingJesus]

Dan mate, I understand entirely the point about how the planet naturally undergoes the process of what we call "global warming", but to say that humans have no effect on it at all is a bit silly surely? Even if we have a relatively small effect, there is an effect caused by our activities and such. I for one don't care that much about it because I don't believe it will significantly affect me in my lifetime and I'm very selfish like that, but surely you can't actually deny that carbon emissions from the way we live our lives has at least some effect on the planet?

[hadouken!]

It's called a 'debate', other people who disagree over Global Warming, I accept that.

Also to the person who -repped me in saying 'Black Holes aren't proven to exist', I have read it in a science book so it's a scientific fact, so instead of -repping me why don't you actually face up to me and argue your opinion you coward.

Science is only best guess. So therefore there is no such thing as a fact. No matter what we do, we can only take a best guess from the evidence we recieve, meaning dont belioeve everything you read.




I find that quite difficult when your constantly posting crap.

You make me lol!

[Ostinato]

Dan mate, I understand entirely the point about how the planet naturally undergoes the process of what we call "global warming", but to say that humans have no effect on it at all is a bit silly surely? Even if we have a relatively small effect, there is an effect caused by our activities and such. I for one don't care that much about it because I don't believe it will significantly affect me in my lifetime and I'm very selfish like that, but surely you can't actually deny that carbon emissions from the way we live our lives has at least some effect on the planet?

My point exactly.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Dan mate, I understand entirely the point about how the planet naturally undergoes the process of what we call "global warming", but to say that humans have no effect on it at all is a bit silly surely? Even if we have a relatively small effect, there is an effect caused by our activities and such. I for one don't care that much about it because I don't believe it will significantly affect me in my lifetime and I'm very selfish like that, but surely you can't actually deny that carbon emissions from the way we live our lives has at least some effect on the planet?

I believe humanity has a effect on wildlife by cutting down trees and forests but I don't accept the carbon issue.

When we find factorys that were around billions of years ago, then I will believe its us.

But that's not going to happen, people need to face that it's happened before and the tempertures will always change.

[hadouken!]

I believe humanity has a effect on wildlife by cutting down trees and forests but I don't accept the carbon issue.

When we find factorys that were around billions of years ago, then I will believe its us.

But that's not going to happen, people need to face that it's happened before and the tempertures will always change.

Billions of years ago they may have increased what, fourthfold, but not one hundrethfold like they are now. Exactly since the industrial revolutioon and since carbon emissions were released into the atmosphere, the number has not crept up, but shot up over the charts.

It SERIOUSLY has had an effect since the insustrial revolution.

Maybe back then there may have been more volcanic activity, but we would be able to trace this activity now, and there is no pattern between natural gases being released and the ammount that is spilled into the atmosphere.

[FlyingJesus]

I believe humanity has a effect on wildlife by cutting down trees and forests but I don't accept the carbon issue.

When we find factorys that were around billions of years ago, then I will believe its us.

But that's not going to happen, people need to face that it's happened before and the tempertures will always change.

You're missing the point, I'm not denying that it's happened before and that it's natural, nor do I believe that isopods made factories, but also I'm not saying that humans are the only (or indeed even the most prominant by far) source of the "problem" of global warming - only that we do in some way affect it.

I agree with you that it's been blown out of proportion and that people worry too much about it, and hence I'm not about to preach about saving the planet or whatever (and at any rate, I don't care), but it's undeniable that we contribute.


as a side note that has no relevance at all: other Dan (Lost), why do your quotes always come up as two separate quotes when it's from one post? Always wondered that :P

[Ostinato]

You're missing the point, I'm not denying that it's happened before and that it's natural, nor do I believe that isopods made factories, but also I'm not saying that humans are the only (or indeed even the most prominant by far) source of the "problem" of global warming - only that we do in some way affect it.

I agree with you that it's been blown out of proportion and that people worry too much about it, and hence I'm not about to preach about saving the planet or whatever (and at any rate, I don't care), but it's undeniable that we contribute.


as a side note that has no relevance at all: other Dan (Lost), why do your quotes always come up as two separate quotes when it's from one post? Always wondered that :P

Took the words right out of my mouth! :P

[-:Undertaker:-]

Billions of years ago they may have increased what, fourthfold, but not one hundrethfold like they are now. Exactly since the industrial revolutioon and since carbon emissions were released into the atmosphere, the number has not crept up, but shot up over the charts.

It SERIOUSLY has had an effect since the insustrial revolution.

Maybe back then there may have been more volcanic activity, but we would be able to trace this activity now, and there is no pattern between natural gases being released and the ammount that is spilled into the atmosphere.

http://liveearth.uk.msn.com/green/articles/one_degree.aspx (http://liveearth.uk.msn.com/green/articles/one_degree.aspx)

I laughed when I saw the msn article, absolute crap.

In the 1700's, the water level used to be around 1 metre higher than it was today, so really isn't that the opposite of what they say is happening to the ice caps?

The reason why people think this is because we have built many houses on flood plains, so when it floods and the media say 'this is what is happening because of us', people are fooled, they think it's this Global Warming rubbish but in reality them pieces of land have always flooded.

Also tempertures can change every 10 years, for example you can have a 100 years of adverage temperture 23 C, then for 10 years the adverage turns into 25 C, solar flares and tilt of eart effect the climate.


You're missing the point, I'm not denying that it's happened before and that it's natural, nor do I believe that isopods made factories, but also I'm not saying that humans are the only (or indeed even the most prominant by far) source of the "problem" of global warming - only that we do in some way affect it.

I agree with you that it's been blown out of proportion and that people worry too much about it, and hence I'm not about to preach about saving the planet or whatever (and at any rate, I don't care), but it's undeniable that we contribute.


as a side note that has no relevance at all: other Dan (Lost), why do your quotes always come up as two separate quotes when it's from one post? Always wondered that :P

How can we assume that we cause it when it's happened many times before, oh so just because we have factorys and it's changing slightly means it's our fault?, this has happened time and time before and will happen even when we're gone.

Al Gore is another one of these climate idiots, he flys around the world telling us all to stop flying, his house pollutes much more than other houses and now there doing a concert which many people will drive to and it will take lots of Coal and Oil to power the venue.

They are all completley talking through their backsides and I am no supporter of George W Bush, but at least he hasn't been swallowed by all this media scare mongering.

[FlyingJesus]

How can we assume that we cause it when it's happened many times before, oh so just because we have factorys and it's changing slightly means it's our fault?, this has happened time and time before and will happen even when we're gone.

Again, I don't believe we are the sole - or even a major - cause of it, just that we contribute. Yes it's happened before, yes it will happen again many times before the Earth dies, I'm not trying to deny that at all.