infraction suggestion

[le harry]

Hiya :)

With the "Bullying Other Forum Members" infraction, do you think it should be given out only if the person targeted is affected, so if they are affected by the bullying they report it to a MOD or the MOD asks them..? Because half the people don't even think they are getting bullied or whatever and people still get infractioned..

So a MOD PM's the user targeted or something like that and ask if they want to take action against the people bullying that person, instead of the MODS automatically assuming that person is crying irl.

I was going to make another argument but forgot :(

Anyways discuss ;)

[dannyisnotamazing]

You mean like me calling you a idiot as a joke and I know you and were good friends and such? ..

If that's what you mean then yeah, I've had quite a few infractions messing about with friends..

[Nixt]

I understand that the joke side of things has been addressed. When it comes to whether the user has actually been offended or not, I think you should still receive an Infraction. Because even if you didn't offend the user you still aimed to upset them and be vindictive or w/e so you should be issued an Infraction.

[Ashhizzle]

You mean like me calling you a idiot as a joke and I know you and were good friends and such? ..

If that's what you mean then yeah, I've had quite a few infractions messing about with friends..
yeahhh

i agreee aight.

[LeftForDead]

i think it should only be given out if someone says that they are going to do something, then if they get a infraction for doing it to preson who they said they would bully it should be a ban

[Nick-]

It would also take quite a bit of time out of our otherwise busy moderation tasks to form an individual PM detailing the event and asking the questions required, we would then need to wait for a response before taking any sort of action. Essentially, this idea just adds extra needless administration time and as Garion has already said, it is unnecessary to do so as the individual had the intention of being vindictive in the first place. :)

[Ashhizzle]

It would also take quite a bit of time out of our otherwise busy moderation tasks to form an individual PM detailing the event and asking the questions required, we would then need to wait for a response before taking any sort of action. Essentially, this idea just adds extra needless administration time and as Garion has already said, it is unnecessary to do so as the individual had the intention of being vindictive in the first place. :)
Working aint supposed to be easy

[the wombats]

only infract if the post is reported then, alot easier.

[OMGitsaROSS]

Harldy :S

"Hi *user*,
Just a quick messag regarding this thread:

*link*

We are wondering wether you would like to take action against the person who insulted you/aimed to insult you,

Yours,

*Your name*



Too much time my ****. Some of you are just lazy :)

[Hxf Santa]

i agree.

[Nixt]

Harldy :S

"Hi *user*,
Just a quick messag regarding this thread:

*link*

We are wondering wether you would like to take action against the person who insulted you/aimed to insult you,

Yours,

*Your name*



Too much time my ****. Some of you are just lazy :)

Ross you know I love you but you're wrong - seriously Moderation is a lot of work :). If it had a point then it would be a necessary addition to the workload of Moderators but it's pointless anyway, if the person meant to be offensive they deserve to get Infracted.

[dannyisnotamazing]

No but the mods halve of the time do know it's a joke, I'm not naming any mods here but only a selection

IE:

you n00b

I got infracted once for calling ami that.. and she said same to me and got infracted.. you can tell it's a joke. =\\.

[Nick-]

No but the mods halve of the time do know it's a joke, I'm not naming any mods here but only a selection

IE:

you n00b

I got infracted once for calling ami that.. and she said same to me and got infracted.. you can tell it's a joke. =\\.
Incidents like that are no longer infracted for and have not been infracted for for a long time. :)


only infract if the post is reported then, alot easier.

That's partially what we already do.

[Nixt]

No but the mods halve of the time do know it's a joke, I'm not naming any mods here but only a selection

IE:

you n00b

I got infracted once for calling ami that.. and she said same to me and got infracted.. you can tell it's a joke. =\\.

Yes I agree it's different when the post is a joke... but I think this issue has already been addressed?

[dannyisnotamazing]

Incidents like that are no longer infracted for and have not been infracted for for a long time. :)

Meh that could be true as I haven't been infracted for a while


Yes I agree it's different when the post is a joke... but I think this issue has already been addressed?

I didn't realize then, my bad :eusa_wall

[OMGitsaROSS]

Garion I know where you're coming from there, I didn't mean it as in you're all lazy. But some of them would refuse to that scheme, it would take 3 minutes max, then when you receive the reply you just issue an infraction? You can still work whilst waiting on the PM.

[Nick-]

Meh that could be true as I haven't been infracted for a while



I didn't realize then, my bad :eusa_wall
Indeed, I see what happened here ;)
I think that one was issued and reversed around the time that the 'insult' was reviewed.


Garion I know where you're coming from there, I didn't mean it as in you're all lazy. But some of them would refuse to that scheme, it would take 3 minutes max, then when you receive the reply you just issue an infraction? You can still work whilst waiting on the PM.

If they were insulted by it, they would report it or PM a moderator if it was urgent. There is really no need for this extra step to be taken. If the user decides to take it into their own hands and insult back, someone else may report it or perhaps the original insulter would report it.

[today]

It would also take quite a bit of time out of our otherwise busy moderation tasks to form an individual PM detailing the event and asking the questions required, we would then need to wait for a response before taking any sort of action. Essentially, this idea just adds extra needless administration time and as Garion has already said, it is unnecessary to do so as the individual had the intention of being vindictive in the first place. :)
Though its no worse then a user swearing and you removing the content really. Its just lazyness at the end of the day towards certain moderators, i thought the point of Super Moderators was to keep the slack low to normal moderators, it doesnt seem the case, maybe its time MAD hired some more Super Moderators then.


Working aint supposed to be easy
Indeed.


only infract if the post is reported then, alot easier.
Yup

Tbh, you act on "bullying" too much and try to keep the forum safe blah blah, though if a user WAS being bullied they'll report it or its there fault really, it takes seconds to report the post as "its bulling me ect" and then the mod can take action otherwise no action should be took as its not affecting the user :rolleyes:

[Nick-]

Actually I distinctly remember a member of management saying that Moderators are here to remind users of the rules with friendly infractions and warnings, it is our job as Super Moderators to actually issue punishments i.e. cautions, bans etc. ;)

[Neversoft]

Usually if a person starts bullying someone the victim would retaliate. So in the end both the victim and the person doing the bullying end up with an infraction. It's pretty stupid really.


Ross you know I love you but you're wrong - seriously Moderation is a lot of work :). If it had a point then it would be a necessary addition to the workload of Moderators but it's pointless anyway, if the person meant to be offensive they deserve to get Infracted.

It's not that hard. :l

[Nixt]

Usually if a person starts bullying someone the victim would retaliate. So in the end both the victim and the person doing the bullying end up with an infraction. It's pretty stupid really.



It's not that hard. :l

I didn't say it was hard.

[Nick-]

Usually if a person starts bullying someone the victim would retaliate. So in the end both the victim and the person doing the bullying end up with an infraction. It's pretty stupid really.

The solution to that would be to do the mature thing, not retaliate and report the post. :)

[Matt,]

The solution to that would be to do the mature thing, not retaliate and report the post. :)
tbh this is a childrens forum your not going to find many mature people...

I think this is a good idea allthough i think that moderators should just give the user a warning then if the user wants to take it further they do or summit like that

[Nick-]

tbh this is a childrens forum your not going to find many mature people...

I think this is a good idea allthough i think that moderators should just give the user a warning then if the user wants to take it further they do or summit like that
I wouldnt underestimate this Forum's users, now and again theres a mature user who knows how to control a situation. I wont name drop or point fingers but theres quite a few of them. ;)

[today]

tbh this is a childrens forum your not going to find many mature people...

I think this is a good idea allthough i think that moderators should just give the user a warning then if the user wants to take it further they do or summit like that

Yeah, a warning only and if the user wants to take it further then it can result in a infraction :eusa_clap

[---MAD---]

Keeping the environment positive is what the aim is of infracting users that bully. I am sure there are other ways to joke around other than offending each other :P.

[le harry]

I really can't think of many MAD.

The infraction can't be issued as bullying if the person does not find it offensive?

[---MAD---]

I see. However its probably too hard to always check if the person is offended or not and it might encourage others to bully the person as a joke.

I will see what can be done about this and if anything changes, I will let you know :).

Thanks
MAD

[Catzsy]

There is a great deal of difference between friendly banter and sustained bullying which is the past has usually meant one person being targetted by quite a few people constantly in many threads. Also there has been instances of 'professional victims' who actually incite the bullying knowing that it will lead to the person/people concerned being infracted/banned. These people when identified have always been dealt with.

The issue here sounds to be what is bullying and what is friendly banter. From my point of view when one or more people specifically make a thread to target one person on more than
one occasion or answer every post they make sarcastically or rudely for a period of time that is bullying and should be dealt with as such because it really shouldn't be tolerated. It is not an infraction that should be dished out without some thought, though as a warning/infraction for rudeness(if intentional) would serve as a better penalty.

[LeftForDead]

I see. However its probably too hard to always check if the person is offended or not and it might encourage others to bully the person as a joke.

I will see what can be done about this and if anything changes, I will let you know :).

Thanks
MAD
if the other posts saying something positive i doubt they will.
If your in doubt pm the user?
I do think that if someone makes a threat of bullying it should result in a caution straight away. Harsh but it will stop the problem straight away i think.

[le harry]

But nobody actually goes off and cries because of being bullied on these forums do they :S I think issue a warning and then they PM the user asking if they want to take it further (infraction)

[LeftForDead]

But nobody actually goes off and cries because of being bullied on these forums do they :S I think issue a warning and then they PM the user asking if they want to take it further (infraction)
They may not show it, if they issue a caution straight away then they dont need to be looking out for it

[Catzsy]

Actually I distinctly remember a member of management saying that Moderators are here to remind users of the rules with friendly infractions and warnings, it is our job as Super Moderators to actually issue punishments i.e. cautions, bans etc. ;)

Well Nick, I do feel these views make out that the job of a Moderator to be one of an enforcer and basically a traffic warden/prison officer. I would also love to know what member has ever found an infraction to be friendly! Lets hold a poll! (Joke). My view is the Mods are here to be here for the members in all sorts of positive ways not just enforcing the rules.


But nobody actually goes off and cries because of being bullied on these forums do they :S I think issue a warning and then they PM the user asking if they want to take it further (infraction)

I really think you would be surprised here, Aight. People forget that behind the posts are real people with real feelings. Some are more reserved than others and more sensitive. I have known members to be very genuinely affected by other members being insensitive and rude so the rules regarding this are really there for a very good reason.

[Nick-]

Just a bit of a joke in there, infractions are never friendly :P
Although the formal warning PMs we send serve as a partial reminder before any sort of mark goes on a users record.
I didnt say that enforcement was all Moderators are here for, answering questions, assisting new users, etc etc, I'm sure you're well aware of what we do, unfortunately there are usually more users breaking rules than asking for help. :(

MAD has now asked us to look much more thoroughly into any incident of bullying by PMing the user in question before taking any sort of action. :)

[Catzsy]

Just a bit of a joke in there, infractions are never friendly :P
Although the formal warning PMs we send serve as a partial reminder before any sort of mark goes on a users record.
I didnt say that enforcement was all Moderators are here for, answering questions, assisting new users, etc etc, I'm sure you're well aware of what we do, unfortunately there are usually more users breaking rules than asking for help. :(

MAD has now asked us to look much more thoroughly into any incident of bullying by PMing the user in question before taking any sort of action. :)


Nicely Clarified, Nick. =] The other post was somewhat open to misinterpretation. <33

[Sly]

My infractions are always friendly there always like

Hey sxc owz it goin just fort id nip by and leave u this infraction xoxo don`t worry just report it n i`ll get a smod to secretly remove it 4 u darling

[---MAD---]

Mods and smods will judge whether someone is joking or not. If they feel they are not joking, the infraction/warning will be given as appropriate. If they are joking around, no action will be taken however if a member is offended by their post, they can report it, so can other members.

I must remind you however, a joke that insulting such as being racist or anything like that will be infracted whether joking or not. That sort of nature will not be accepted at Habbox Forum.

Thanks
MAD

[nvrspk4]

Too much time my ****. Some of you are just lazy :)

And the last time you've been a Super Moderator and dealt with their current workload was...?


Working aint supposed to be easy

Correct. However the mods and super mods aren't "working". Because when you work, you get paid. They do it as volunteers ;)


My issue with this, and I raised this issue in the mod forum, is the possibility of abuse from bullies themselves. What happens if a bully pressures a forum member into having the infraction reversed for them? I can very easily see a couple of spam forum members (and though some of you are lovely, there are/were some nasty ones in the past and present, I won't name them but I'm sure you could name a few) putting pressure on a bullied member to PM a SMod and say "oh we were just joking around". In that way, this could be abused and lead towards further abuse of the bullied member. So I'm worried about the possibility that someone might get pressured into putting up with it with this system.

Just my opinion ;)

[Catzsy]

And the last time you've been a Super Moderator and dealt with their current workload was...?



Correct. However the mods and super mods aren't "working". Because when you work, you get paid. They do it as volunteers ;)


My issue with this, and I raised this issue in the mod forum, is the possibility of abuse from bullies themselves. What happens if a bully pressures a forum member into having the infraction reversed for them? I can very easily see a couple of spam forum members (and though some of you are lovely, there are/were some nasty ones in the past and present, I won't name them but I'm sure you could name a few) putting pressure on a bullied member to PM a SMod and say "oh we were just joking around". In that way, this could be abused and lead towards further abuse of the bullied member. So I'm worried about the possibility that someone might get pressured into putting up with it with this system.

Just my opinion ;)

Right on the money =] They are more likely to say no and suffer in silence.
As a mod you get to know whether somebody is joking or not even if they put a :) after it. If I wasn't sure I would ask another mod for their opinion on it and management if necessary.

[---MAD---]

My issue with this, and I raised this issue in the mod forum, is the possibility of abuse from bullies themselves. What happens if a bully pressures a forum member into having the infraction reversed for them? I can very easily see a couple of spam forum members (and though some of you are lovely, there are/were some nasty ones in the past and present, I won't name them but I'm sure you could name a few) putting pressure on a bullied member to PM a SMod and say "oh we were just joking around". In that way, this could be abused and lead towards further abuse of the bullied member. So I'm worried about the possibility that someone might get pressured into putting up with it with this system.

Just my opinion ;)
As I said in the moderator forum, the mod/smod do not have to contact the member at all.

The difference made here is that before even if you were joking around but still targetted the member, you got infracted or warned. Now, the mod / smod will judge whether or not the person meant it seriously or jokingly. What the mod/smod decides will stick.

[Neversoft]

I didn't say it was hard.

You implied it.


The solution to that would be to do the mature thing, not retaliate and report the post. :)

Theres no such thing as not retaliating on this forum.

[Jambe]

Good idea i agree :)