Scammers rule

[Cixso]

Hey,

I just don't understand why habbox won't let scammers be named and shamed?

I mean.. your basically saying you don't care if your users get scammed... it's just there "own" fault.. I bet that's how you think?

What problems actually are there if the user gets called a scammer?

I mean.. you should be able to call them it if you have proof right?

Its helping the community be a safer place... and you are stopping it.. why...?

Does anybody else agree with me?

[Callum.]

I agree with you. And especially since habbox has become a runescape black market. I think most clans and stuff know about it now lol.

[Guillotine]

I agree with you. And especially since habbox has become a runescape black market. I think most clans and stuff know about it now lol.
Well Eye! told serenity and i think they told everyone because whenever i try join a clan i get banned and left with a link to habboxforum :[

[Cixso]

I know, the rule on you are not allowed to call people scammers and help warn the community is stupid.

[Sunny.]

Agreed, So that if someone is scammed others are warned as I know alot of people been scammed by the same person and they should be warned and told. Habbox needs to do something about it. It cant carry on!!

[Guillotine]

They say that it will just cause people making fake accusations but tbh everyone and there gran scams these days on habbox.

[Cixso]

They say that it will just cause people making fake accusations but tbh everyone and there gran scams these days on habbox.

That's why only if you valid information such as proof it should be allowed.

[Lilian]

I am with you on this one Danny.

[Burns]

I agree with you m8 :)

[Cixso]

Thanks for agreeing, + rep to you all!

I couldn't give so many of you rep as I have to spread.

[Hazza]

I disagree because its easy to frame people who are innoncent, Which means people get accused for something they didn't do then is named a 'Scammer' when there not.

[Devil.Wont.Cry]

i agree as well :D

[Soy]

It would save another victim a few creds :]

[Cixso]

I disagree because its easy to frame people who are innoncent, Which means people get accused for something they didn't do then is named a 'Scammer' when there not.

If you read, the word proof may come to your attention.

[Shrlurp]

I agree with you, proof should be given, however its not like we are sad enough to acuse others when they havn't.

[5,5]

You have a great point. I agree 90%. You should only be able to call them a scamemr though if you have proof that you can show everybody. I added your Scammers Rule thing into my sig as well. :D
I guess the pic did'nt work for my sig. :l

[Cixso]

You have a great point. I agree 90%. You should only be able to call them a scamemr though if you have proof that you can show everybody. I added your Scammers Rule thing into my sig as well. :D
I guess the pic did'nt work for my sig. :l

Lol :P

Right click the image, save to your PC, go to your cp, uplaod the image and attach to your sig... should work :)

And thanks for agreeing, +rep!

[Tristan]

I disagree.
When a Super Moderator/---MAD--- replies then what they shall say is why.

[Cixso]

I disagree.
When a Super Moderator/---MAD--- replies then what they shall say is why.

I honestly can't think why not? Users sticking out for each other, warning other users...

I mean.. if some guy was selling you a web layout for £5.. and he was a scammer and proven to be etc, but nobody said he was.. so you go ahead and buy the template.. he does a 'runna' and you are left with nothing.

2 days later he is doing the same.. selling a layout... for £5.. would you rather warn people or let them get on with it?

I would warn them if it was me. It just is not fair on the person buying... Imagine how that person would also feel if other users knew he would scam and nobody told the buyer...?

This is what I am getting at... couldn't habbox at least try it and see how it goes?

The scammers wouldn't bother to post.. or visit anymore.. so such its a better community.

Or.. are habbox just after the more users and posts the better?

[Hayd93]

Yep too many scammers,I agree they should be named and shamed because monthing is happeing and ppl are just getting scammed over and over again especially in the web deisgn section.

The only reason some ppl dont agree is because they dont buy or sell so they dont know how it is when u spent ages making a layout then some one scams you


NAME AND SHAME FOR THE WAY

[jesus]

just dont be stupid enough to get scammed and ull be fine

i guess it counts as a form of abuse so thts probz y *+*+

[Shawnstra]

I think there can be a database. For example, if there are like 1 or 2 accusations with "proof", it can be a fake. If the person has loads, and by many trusted forum members, we should know that he/she is a real Scammer.

[Matt,]

WHat they could do is make a forum that only a certian usergroup can see the thread content. So users post who scammed them and there proof and if these people who can see the threads accept it they move it to a forum that everyone can see but not post in

[bilm]

I Agree Also.

We Should Be Allowed To Say Who Scammed Us With Proof To Help Others On The Forum Know That This Member Is Unsafe

[User43]

Yep I agree! Pathetic really but yeh,

[Hazza]

Yes, But I mean you can make up 'Proof' Its not that hard, Change a few names etc.

[VPSwow]

I agree with this i got scammed by someone on here and couldnt do nothing about it :@

[GommeInc]

There is no need, it is completely the users fault for being scammed, no one else is at fault. If you are too stupid to go with someone who isn't trusted, then you probably shouldn't bother trading in the first place.

Making a scene is just publiciting your own stupidity.


WHat they could do is make a forum that only a certian usergroup can see the thread content. So users post who scammed them and there proof and if these people who can see the threads accept it they move it to a forum that everyone can see but not post in
That would be pointless, a huge amount of users would then demand to see it and it would be just like the Pixel Arist Group, that went down the pan because most of the users are not very good at Pixel Art as they first though.

[Typoh]

Tbh, i think NO! becuase people can acuse anyone of scamming. BUT if you have sufficiant proof, then you should be allowed. :)
I think we should have runescape forum MODS (not offical mods off corce) where they watch the trade.

[-Dispute]

I don't really care if we could or if we couldn't, there must be good reasons why we can't, if you don't like it join a forum that lets you.

[GommeInc]

Tbh, i think NO! becuase people can acuse anyone of scamming. BUT if you have sufficiant proof, then you should be allowed. :)
I think we should have runescape forum MODS (not offical mods off corce) where they watch the trade.
But how can you make sufficient proof? Scamming normally happens between a prty and no one else knows what it is happening, or is there a public trade in the Runescape forum? Perhaps the idea you have about Mods may help, but there isn't really a way.

[Cixso]

just dont be stupid enough to get scammed and ull be fine

i guess it counts as a form of abuse so thts probz y *+*+

Just because you get scammed doesn't make you stupid? That comment was a pretty stupid comment I must admit.

I am sure many many intelligent people have been scammed a lot of times.

[lolwut]

I agree.

I think we should have the right to warn the other Habbox users about scammers. Then maybe if a single user (or 2 but they have the same IP, it's a trick they use sometimes!) who's scammed has a large number (e.g. 5) of reports from other users then their name should go in a "Possible Scammers" thread on the Habbo/RS Trading section.

I was scammed by a guy who's name I'm obviously not allowed to say now but when I posted a PROOF VIDEO one of the Super Mod's infracted me. I was like What The Duce? ;d

It seems like the mods are actually sticking up for the scammers in scam situations.

Oh, and if Frankie wasn't in my sig I'd put your thing in.

I agree, maybe Danny you should PM 8Freak8 or some head big type guy and tell them that many members think this rules unfair.

[Cixso]

I agree.

I think we should have the right to warn the other Habbox users about scammers. Then maybe if a single user (or 2 but they have the same IP, it's a trick they use sometimes!) who's scammed has a large number (e.g. 5) of reports from other users then their name should go in a "Possible Scammers" thread on the Habbo/RS Trading section.

I was scammed by a guy who's name I'm obviously not allowed to say now but when I posted a PROOF VIDEO one of the Super Mod's infracted me. I was like What The Duce? ;d

It seems like the mods are actually sticking up for the scammers in scam situations.

Oh, and if Frankie wasn't in my sig I'd put your thing in.

I agree, maybe Danny you should PM 8Freak8 or some head big type guy and tell them that many members think this rules unfair.

I'll send him a link to this thread... and hopefully 8freak8 will do something about it.

Thanks for your reply :)

[LeftForDead]

But its soo easy to edit habbo screen shots and msn convos.

[Cixso]

But its soo easy to edit habbo screen shots and msn convos.

It can be yes.

That's why if you have proof that is real and you have more than 1 evidence or more than 1 person complaining you scammed them.. then why not?

I could name 1 scammer right now. So could many others...

If this was allowed, then that user may also change his or her ways and grow up and not scam. Make the forum a safer place without scammers.

[LeftForDead]

It can be yes.

That's why if you have proof that is real and you have more than 1 evidence or more than 1 person complaining you scammed them.. then why not?

I could name 1 scammer right now. So could many others...

If this was allowed, then that user may also change his or her ways and grow up and not scam. Make the forum a safer place without scammers.
LMAO!!! sad.
But how do you know this person is not making up loads of accounts or paying people to say it?
Also how do you know this person may of not already changed there ways?

[Cixso]

LMAO!!! sad.
But how do you know this person is not making up loads of accounts or paying people to say it?
Also how do you know this person may of not already changed there ways?

I don't know if the user will have change there ways or not. Who is to say that?

It isn't sad. It's called sticking up for on another to make this forum safer.

What exactly do you mean by: But how do you know this person is not making up loads of accounts or paying people to say it?

[LeftForDead]

I don't know if the user will have change there ways or not. Who is to say that?

It isn't sad. It's called sticking up for on another to make this forum safer.

What exactly do you mean by: But how do you know this person is not making up loads of accounts or paying people to say it?
No i ment it was sad what you implied but anyway
I mean that someone could tell loads of people to say that someone scams for cash if they dislike the person.

[Cixso]

No i ment it was sad what you implied but anyway
I mean that someone could tell loads of people to say that someone scams for cash if they dislike the person.

Which is where proof comes into it.

[LeftForDead]

Which is where proof comes into it.
BUT YOU CAN FAKE PROOF!!!!!

[ReviewDude]

Oh great... Another one of these threads. Why don't you search this Forum, and see the reasons why every time we've defended (quite rightly) this rule :rolleyes:

[The Professor]

Oh great... Another one of these threads. Why don't you search this Forum, and see the reasons why every time we've defended (quite rightly) this rule :rolleyes:

Ditto.

Also, it is pretty easy to get a scammer named and shamed if you have proof by PMing micky.blue.eyes or Youheard and asking them to be put on the untrusted list. If they deem the proof to be valid, they go on the list. Forum management are happy because it bypasses the arguments in the "he scammed me" threads and the person is happy because the scammer got named. Wheres the problem?

[ReviewDude]

This reminds me of:

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c144/ReviewDude/Campaign3.png

[Cixso]

Obviously it should be re looked. as many users agree with me.

[LeftForDead]

Obviously it should be re looked. as many users agree with me.
And many users disagree and there is a good reason too.

[ReviewDude]

And many users disagree and there is a good reason too.

Very true.

Also, the argument that 'many people agree' falls apart when you think most users would enjoy the reputation, swearing, image and private messaging rules changed or removed. But they're there for a reason, and there to stay.

[Cixso]

Very true.

Also, the argument that 'many people agree' falls apart when you think most users would enjoy the reputation, swearing, image and private messaging rules changed or removed. But they're there for a reason, and there to stay.

Not all rules are there to stay. Example is the runescape trading accounts.

Doesn't harm to ask does it? No.

[LeftForDead]

Not all rules are there to stay. Example is the runescape trading accounts.

Doesn't harm to ask does it? No.
Does when u break the forum rules.

[ReviewDude]

Not all rules are there to stay. Example is the runescape trading accounts.

Doesn't harm to ask does it? No.

Once? Fine. But this is not a new idea. You are not the revolutionary you probably think you are. You can't even use 'Search', can you?

[LeftForDead]

Once? Fine. But this is not a new idea. You are not the revolutionary you probably think you are. You can't even use 'Search', can you?
too good for it he said on msn:)

[Pitch]

There is a safe list, why would you want a scammers list? Just trade people that are proven to be safe. About the thread thing, perhaps if its PROPERLY looked into it could work (super mods+ validate, and anything can be appealed against.. The forum should take into account that it is via them that people are connecting with scammers, so anything that happens as a result of that could have possibly been stopped by them (with the use of something like this), just like it would be habbox's fault if someone got a virus by going on habbox.com What your proposing wouldnt work, could (and definately would) be abused, and would do more bad than good, you should actually think about it, and put forward some good points.. Yes people may have a complaint, but how is complaints against a proposed rule any different from the huge amounts of complains the current rules get?

[Yoshimitsui]

Ok here goes.

The rule for not nameing scammers on the forum is becuase you can never really have sufficient evidence to prove that they have scammed you or any one else. Especially thease days lots of software is availiable to enabling editing of screen shots/films etcc.

If we allowed these, everytime someone posts saying whoever scammed them and with a screenshot etc it will cause a massive argument within that thread. Which then leads to lots of rule breaking and members having to be heavily dealt with becuase they will all have taken sides over some pixel Furniture and it will be like a riot basicly.

Another point is that it will lead the Moderation team into pointlessly policeing the goings on in Habbo and runescpae which just creates extra work. As it is not our job to enforce all of Habbos rules and regulations or other online games.

[Catzsy]

Ok here goes.

The rule for not nameing scammers on the forum is becuase you can never really have sufficient evidence to prove that they have scammed you or any one else. Especially thease days lots of software is availiable to enabling editing of screen shots/films etcc.

If we allowed these, everytime someone posts saying whoever scammed them and with a screenshot etc it will cause a massive argument within that thread. Which then leads to lots of rule breaking and members having to be heavily dealt with becuase they will all have taken sides over some pixel Furniture and it will be like a riot basicly.

Another point is that it will lead the Moderation team into pointlessly policeing the goings on in Habbo and runescpae which just creates extra work. As it is not our job to enforce all of Habbos rules and regulations or other online games.


Very well put Yoshi and all correct except that Habbox UK then break their own rule by naming scammers in a unsafe list. Double standards and not satisfatory I dont think.

[Yux]

I thought you meant Scammers Rule, literally. I'd agree with that.

[GommeInc]

The approved safe list is satisfactory. If you are dumb enough to be scammed, we don't care how much you sing the dark praises of some evil scammer. Your fault.

[The Professor]

The approved safe list is satisfactory. If you are dumb enough to be scammed, we don't care how much you sing the dark praises of some evil scammer. Your fault.

Unless ive missed something, the official safe list was done away with months ago.

[indian8132]

I think that you should name scammers. I put the thing that Pycan has in his sig in mine because I agree :)

Edit - I will do it after I can find out why when I copy and paste it in my sig a link comes up instead..

[ReviewDude]

Unless ive missed something, the official safe list was done away with months ago.

http://habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=261740 :rolleyes: