God, pfft.

[Biseinen]

Whats he ever done for me? Has he ever bought me that 230 GTI convertible that I always wanted? Does he ever help me smite down my enemies in fiery bolt of lighting?!

No. :(

It makes me question, it really does.

[Nemo]

i questioned a long time ago, found that i dont beleive in him/her/it

[Browney]

I think god gives you tools and the opportunity to earn the car. I'm not completely sure.

[shok]

Whats he ever done for me? Has he ever bought me that 230 GTI convertible that I always wanted? Does he ever help me smite down my enemies in fiery bolt of lighting?!

No. :(

It makes me question, it really does.


Is this a joke?

flippin hell grow up

[Energizer]

i wont believe it's real until there's proper evidence.

[Lycan]

no supreme beings about =)

[mangle]

I was made to go to church as a kid. As i had to sit through long sermans i rejected the belif as it bored me so much!

[Biseinen]

[Looks in driveway] Still no sign. [Shakes head]

[shok]

[Looks in driveway] Still no sign. [Shakes head]
thgats pathetic

[Browney]

I personally think that religion is to be learned from not believed. Let me explain, I think it's like fables you were told as a child. You know that a turtle didn't really beat the hare, but it's meaning is there. I think the same of religion. I know that Adam and Eve didn'nt really get thrown out of eden for eating the forbidden fruit, but I know the message is there.

[Nemo]

I personally think that religion is to be learned from not believed. Let me explain, I think it's like fables you were told as a child. You know that a turtle didn't really beat the hare, but it's meaning is there. I think the same of religion. I know that Adam and Eve didn'nt really get thrown out of eden for eating the forbidden fruit, but I know the message is there.
yeah also the fact that some reject pork and gays.


im not against gays, thats why i sed that.

[Axel]

thgats pathetic

You seem to have a grudge again Bisienen for some reason.

[Browney]

yeah also the fact that some reject pork and gays.


im not against gays, thats why i sed that.

Well I dunno about that bit. :P

Probably when religion was established, being gay wasn't acceptable. I can't answer the pork bit haha. I have been christained but I'm not a believer. I'm a bit dubios about the whole supernatural beings bit. But I do admire what religion can do for some people.

[RedStratocas]

Is this a joke?

flippin hell grow up

says the kid with afolf hitler with headphones in his avatar.

[Nemo]

says the kid with afolf hitler with headphones in his avatar.i'd say u owned him :P

[shok]

You seem to have a grudge again Bisienen for some reason.Hes childish


Well I dunno about that bit. :P

Probably when religion was established, being gay wasn't acceptable. I can't answer the pork bit haha. I have been christained but I'm not a believer. I'm a bit dubios about the whole supernatural beings bit. But I do admire what religion can do for some people.christained? rofl :P


says the kid with afolf hitler with headphones in his avatar.says the kids with a wacky hat
http://a525.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/62/m_f4366f5cb9c64f353840b84c04682e8c.jpg

[Browney]

christained? rofl :P


Yeah, I know. :eusa_whis:$

[Axel]

Hes childish

christained? rofl :P

says the kids with a wacky hat
http://a525.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/62/m_f4366f5cb9c64f353840b84c04682e8c.jpg


You're childish, you get banned so you come back to the forum and make a bad comment about every one of Biseinen's posts, and point out the spelling mistakes people make, when your grammar isn't all that perfect. Pretty pathetic really.

[RedStratocas]

says the kids with a wacky hat
http://a525.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/62/m_f4366f5cb9c64f353840b84c04682e8c.jpg

my hat is sa-weet and you know it :D

[shok]

Yeah, I know. :eusa_whis:$
whats that?

you mean baptised?

[Axel]

*My firewall said this post was blocked the first time, I made this post and it worked but I've already posted what I had to say, because my firewall didn't block what I was posting, just the page for some reason. - Axel*

[Browney]

whats that?

you mean baptised?

Something like that. My mind must've been somewhere else. :P

[shok]

Something like that. My mind must've been somewhere else. :P
:P kk.

[Axel]

Ok now you seem to be normal again, keep it up.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I believe in random chaos.

[:Hazel]

i is athiest. end of ;)

[--ss--]

God has given you the chance to get the car by giving you a job? :p

[PaintYourTarget]

whats that?

you mean baptised?
Catholics get Baptised, Protestants get Christened.

[Concentric2]

I know that Adam and Eve didn'nt really get thrown out of eden for eating the forbidden fruit, but I know the message is there.
I don't disagree with your opinion, but what's the moral of that story then?


God has given you the chance to get the car by giving you a job? :p
If he can give you the job then why not just give you the car and all the other things you use the money for straight away?
No offense but that's a bit of a silly arguement.

[shok]

Catholics get Baptised, Protestants get Christened.
oh i see, didnt know im catholic

I don't disagree with your opinion, but what's the moral of that story then?


If he can give you the job then why not just give you the car and all the other things you use the money for straight away?
No offense but that's a bit of a silly arguement.whats the point in a job then?

you have to earn it

[seattlegrace]

I'm not an extremely religious person myself, but maybe "God" doesn't reply positively to the requests of people who persistantly sin and don't pray for forgiveness, if he exists and all...I don't know.

[Concentric2]

whats the point in a job then?

you have to earn it
I don't really understand what you're saying, but i think we're arguing the same thing; i don't believe God has anything to do with getting people jobs or cars or whatever.

[Browney]

I don't disagree with your opinion, but what's the moral of that story then?

I dunno. Don't give into temptation or something.

[Smits]

Just because he hasn't given you riches andhelped you defeat your enemies doesn't mean he doesn't exist.

[Janet Snakehole]

Im not religious or anything but.. if God was to be real, wouldn't he stop all the suffering and wars across the world?

[CrazyColaist]

if god is real

he should get shot tbh


hes done nothing for this world. has he ever helped to solve ploblems (war poverty etc)
No

[lAdmire]

he doesn't provide you with everything you want.
there's reasons, good ones, why he doesn't.
maybe if you bought that car, the next day you would get in an accident.
so basically, he didn't provide it for you.
there's always a reason.


why are you questioning him?
like seriously?
who said he has to do EVERYTHING you ask for?
he does what he thinks best & really, he's always right.

& also, the wars & stuff, it's all of the devil.
unless you know he's not trying to stop it, then shh.
cause sometimes he sends people to do his work.
so, yeah.

& seattlegrace, you are so right.
why should he give you anything if you don't thank him for all what he's given you?
like a house?
food?
etc?
why should he?
seriously.

[CrazyColaist]

I want wars in iraq to stop same with 100 billion people

same with poverty, im sure if he was real he would get the msg we need help

[dirrty]

if god is real

he should get shot tbh


hes done nothing for this world. has he ever helped to solve ploblems (war poverty etc)
No
god should get shot?
erm mistake me if im wrong, but war and poverty isnt gods fault. its the human races fault to some extent, definetly war is humans fault. we have free will, and god gave us that to do what we wish with it. if we decide to do wrong with it, then so be it.

[English]

If he can give you the job then why not just give you the car and all the other things you use the money for straight away?
No offense but that's a bit of a silly arguement.
Why would he give people a car and money etc? He has given them the opportunity, it shouldnt' be given for nothing.


Im not religious or anything but.. if God was to be real, wouldn't he stop all the suffering and wars across the world?
Well why should God stop it? Should he get involved? He created this world, doesn't mean he should interfere because of our own doing.

if god is real
he should get shot tbh
hes done nothing for this world. has he ever helped to solve ploblems (war poverty etc)
No
What a stupid child. First of all if God is real how could he get shot if he is omnipotent? Being all powerful he could 'stop' it or dodge it, though having said that God is outside of space & time. Nothing for this world? He created it - fool.

I want wars in iraq to stop same with 100 billion people
same with poverty, im sure if he was real he would get the msg we need help
He created this world, we created the mess. I don't see why he should clean up our mess. Besides, we need to learn from wars etc and it also brings out the good in people, letting them choose the right path.

[Browney]

God lets us learn our own lessons. That's why he gives us free will.

[CrazyColaist]

god should get shot?
erm mistake me if im wrong, but war and poverty isnt gods fault. its the human races fault to some extent, definetly war is humans fault. we have free will, and god gave us that to do what we wish with it. if we decide to do wrong with it, then so be it.


but if he made this world why hasnt he done
ONE SINGLE THING TO HELP ME YOU ENGLAND THIS WORLD

[Browney]

but if he made this world why hasnt he done




ONE SINGLE THING TO HELP ME YOU ENGLAND THIS WORLD


Refer to post above. We have the tools to help, we just don't use them to help. :)

[dirrty]

but if he made this world why hasnt he done

ONE SINGLE THING TO HELP ME YOU ENGLAND THIS WORLD

i dont need to justify anything to you anymore. and i dont think anyone else should. its obvious you dont know what you are talking about and have no knowledge in god or anything todo with him.

[Fez]

Wouldn't God reward the good people and banish the bad or something

''Why do bad things happen to good people?"

[Nemo]

Wouldn't God reward the good people and banish the bad or something

''Why do bad things happen to good people?"
yeah, i always see good things happen to bad people aswell

[dirrty]

Wouldn't God reward the good people and banish the bad or something

''Why do bad things happen to good people?"
thats what heaven and hell is for.

[Nemo]

thats what heaven and hell is for.
who said it exists?

[dirrty]

who said it exists?
who said it doesnt?
if someone is true to their religion, they wouldnt question it.

[Lambda]

god should get shot?
erm mistake me if im wrong, but war and poverty isnt gods fault. its the human races fault to some extent, definetly war is humans fault. we have free will, and god gave us that to do what we wish with it. if we decide to do wrong with it, then so be it.

If that's true why do religious people try to take free will away? Didn't God forbid Adam and Eve to eat from the tree of knowledge of 'good' and 'evil'? It was the serpent that gave them free will. Christianity has always said "right, so long as you follow everything we say, you can have your 'free will.'" What does the Church do in the face of views that are different from theirs, such as Paganism? Spreads propaganda about "devil worship," and everything else that is a contrast.

-

God doesn't interfere? The Bible says otherwise. Here's an interesting post:
http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2006/08/who-has-killed-more-satan-or-god.html
I've seen a few lists similar.

I feel a lot more for science and mathematics than I do for gods. I don't deny their existence, but I don't believe in it either; the fact is, I have no idea. What I am absolutely against is the mockery that has been made of belief and what has been done in the name of religion.

What is the benefit of religion? Fulfillment? Your life somehow has more meaning because you believe in a god that is capable of creating everything, including all the evil you have and ever will know, and a body of the religion that molds you into another sheep? I think life is worth living more if you believe in yourself and your own choices.

[Virgin Mary]

Buying you nice things is your maternal father's job not your spiritual father's job.

[shok]

A well known story about God:
One day a flood hit a town
this man went ontop of his roof on his house so he doesnt drown
Whilst up there a motorboat thing is going round the street picking people up from danger,
they ask the man to come down and come to saftey he said " no I shall wait here as god will save me" no time to spare the boat leaves
Few minutes later a helicopter is saving people and they call to the bloke, "climb up the rope" he replied the same " no I shall wait here as god will save me"

they leave then the water has reached to the roof and the bloke is getting worried now he screams "god? where are you?" no answer he repeats "god save me!"
then a voice is heard saying i sent you the boat and the helicopter you refused them what else can i do




Buying you nice things is your maternal father's job not your spiritual father's job.
lol haha nice post :)

[English]

but if he made this world why hasnt he done



ONE SINGLE THING TO HELP ME YOU ENGLAND THIS WORLD

What a stupid comment. Seriously, are you a ******?

Wouldn't God reward the good people and banish the bad or something

''Why do bad things happen to good people?"
These things happen to 'good people' and it tests their faith. Really it doesn't matter what happens to them in life because they are 'rewarded' in the afterlife.

[lAdmire]

Wouldn't God reward the good people and banish the bad or something

''Why do bad things happen to good people?"


god makes everything happen for a reason.




A well known story about God:

One day a flood hit a town
this man went ontop of his roof on his house so he doesnt drown
Whilst up there a motorboat thing is going round the street picking people up from danger,
they ask the man to come down and come to saftey he said " no I shall wait here as god will save me" no time to spare the boat leaves

Few minutes later a helicopter is saving people and they call to the bloke, "climb up the rope" he replied the same "

no I shall wait here as god will save me"


they leave then the water has reached to the roof and the bloke is getting worried now he screams "god? where are you?" no answer he repeats "god save me!"
then a voice is heard saying i sent you the boat and the helicopter you refused them what else can i do




lol haha nice post :)

you know what?
that is so true?
the person who created this thread said why doesn't he give me this?
well..
he gives you things to get what you want.
he gives you everything you need.
but you have to get it for yourself.
if he gives you everything, you won't ever learn anything.

also, if you don't thank him for what he has given you or anything, then he won't.
cause that's just wrong.
but really, that is so true.

[Concentric2]

Why would he give people a car and money etc? He has given them the opportunity, it shouldnt' be given for nothing.
Dude wth - i wasn't saying he should?
As i said;
i don't believe God has anything to do with getting people jobs or cars or whatever.

[velocity]

"I know that Adam and Eve didn'nt really get thrown out of eden for eating the forbidden fruit, but I know the message is there."

yeah, but if he went mental at them and threw them out, isnt one of his messages forgiveness? ;s

[GommeInc]

Catholics get Baptised, Protestants get Christened.
WRONG.
My Catholic friend had her children Christened, while at my Protestant Church where I work, the children get Baptised.

[T0M]

Baptised and christened are basically the same thing arent they :S:S

[Biseinen]

Hey, its Religion, its all the same.

[shok]

Hey, its Religion, its all the same.
roflmao dont post if you havent got a clue

[Browney]

"I know that Adam and Eve didn'nt really get thrown out of eden for eating the forbidden fruit, but I know the message is there."

yeah, but if he went mental at them and threw them out, isnt one of his messages forgiveness? ;s

Haha good point, never thought of that. :P

[Biseinen]

roflmao dont post if you havent got a clue

You really can't read the sarcasm between the lines, can you.

[shok]

You really can't read the sarcasm between the lines, can you.
well if it was sarcasm what was the point in posting ?

[Virgin Mary]

The message of Adam and Eve is the same as Pandora's Box and most other stories about creation - do as you're told. It's setting the whole "if you don't do this then you'll go to hell" mood.

[CrazyColaist]

my hat is sa-weet and you know it :D
your hat is kewl


anyway god isnt real


when people think god cures them its themself getting themself into function (if u get wot i mean)

[Soil]

OMG I WANT £10000000000000000

Oh I didnt get it. GOD DOESNT EXIST


--------

Grow up, seriously.
Imo, God gives you the chance you earn what you want. (S)He wont give you everything you want, but will probably give you the chance to earn it.

Otherwise life would be too simple. Also, because I am doing biology, its makes me laugh at scientists even more who say IT WAS JUST A BIG COINCIDENCE. The way our body functions is just amazing. All the little parts.

Oh btw to people who always refer to Adam and Eve - christianity isnt the only religion >.>

[Lambda]

Otherwise life would be too simple. Also, because I am doing biology, its makes me laugh at scientists even more who say IT WAS JUST A BIG COINCIDENCE. The way our body functions is just amazing. All the little parts.

It wasn't a coincidence whether gods exist or not. Studying biology should make you think that there are too many examples of evolution and the theories of science to believe "intelligent design".

[Biseinen]

Yeah, doing advance human biology we touch on many area's of that.

[Soil]

It wasn't a coincidence whether gods exist or not. Studying biology should make you think that there are too many examples of evolution and the theories of science to believe "intelligent design".

Meh, I just dont think its a coincidence that it all happened by itself.

[Jazza]

Otherwise life would be too simple. Also, because I am doing biology, its makes me laugh at scientists even more who say IT WAS JUST A BIG COINCIDENCE. The way our body functions is just amazing. All the little parts.


Nobody said it was a coincidence, our bodies are like this because of millions of years of evolution, we didn't start like this.

[shok]

evolution... lol dont believe in that rubbish sorry

[Nemo]

evolution... lol dont believe in that rubbish sorry
well thats ignorant.

[brapp]

if god is real

he should get shot tbh


hes done nothing for this world. has he ever helped to solve ploblems (war poverty etc)
No

lmao you're such a *Removed*

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[:Liam]

evolution... lol dont believe in that rubbish sorry
Did you really say that? I cant believe that. Evolution is fact not opinion. There is anthropological evidence supporting this. Everything changes over time, this is due to evolutionary pressures caused by enironmental changes, man-made changes and biological changes.

You could look back at remains of our ancestors take Homo erectus, one of our predecessors that existed, many remains of these have been found, and show adaptions to life such as basic tool use and hand adaption to show the evolution bettween humans and apes. The body of the Homo erectus is fairly similar to ours apart from the fact they have smaller head which suggests we have a larger brain capacity another evolutionary trait.

But anyone back to the point of god, I am an athiest I find the whole idea of god ridiculous. To christians, I respect them I dont think any less of them because they believe in another force, because many people around the world do. But personally I belive in evolution.

[shok]

Did you really say that? I cant believe that. Evolution is fact not opinion. There is anthropological evidence supporting this. Everything changes over time, this is due to evolutionary pressures caused by enironmental changes, man-made changes and biological changes.

You could look back at remains of our ancestors take Homo erectus, one of our predecessors that existed, many remains of these have been found, and show adaptions to life such as basic tool use and hand adaption to show the evolution bettween humans and apes. The body of the Homo erectus is fairly similar to ours apart from the fact they have smaller head which suggests we have a larger brain capacity another evolutionary trait.

But anyone back to the point of god, I am an athiest I find the whole idea of god ridiculous. To christians, I respect them I dont think any less of them because they believe in another force, because many people around the world do. But personally I belive in evolution.
links ?

anyway its just my view as i havent seen any proof