Habbox excuses

[Cixso]

I've been reading people complain about Habbox's laziness with staff management and general management such as reputation.

I find it fascinating how every single time you say the same excuse...

"We have life and/or a Job"

Are you saying you are better than us? With saying you have a life and we perhaps don't as we are on your forum? Thats the impression I get.

It is funny how I received an infraction because I received +rep from my friends and receiving reputation back as I repped them for good services... I won't go into much detail but that is pathetic.

I also love it how other users stick up for the management for a good job they have done. It makes me sick to be honest. The reputation thread had over 100 reports and the excuse was he had a life.

We all have life's thank you very much. Really does put us in our place. When do try complain about the management the management them selves "flam" us for it! What the hell is all that about?!

That nrskp4 is terrible for it! Why not learn to take criticism like every body else has too on your forum?

I honestly can only say I like a phew managers from Habbox Forum, but there are others I despise because they are just lazy and have important life's than us and they never let us forget. Some of your staff can't even spell either... Not a good impression.

Come on, we make your forum work. At least treat us with respect as we do to you.

If you have a life and are busy, why not pass your job on then? Resign? Give some other person with no life a chance who will be dedicated and work there *** off.

Try and take this complaint well and reply with some intelligence. Not like the reply I got last time from a certain member of staff.

Everybody has a right to complain, it's exactly what I am doing. Tis' my feedback.

[le harry]

If you have a life and are busy, why not pass your job on then? Resign? Give some other person with no life a chance who will be dedicated and work there *** off.


I agree with this part :)

[Galaxay1]

Takes time to trust people, if they quit someones not going to get their job right away.

And their not trying to make you feel less important their simply saying they go out unlike some people.

[dannyisnotamazing]

That nrskp4 is terrible for it! Why not learn to take criticism like every body else has too on your forum?



It's annoying when nvr does that, when he goes "*Text Removed*!¬!¬! ma infractionz i wnt dem removed" when no one ever talks like that :(:(:(:(.

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[Roboevil]

Some of your staff can't even spell either... Not a good impression.

That's funny because you can't spell either.

[---MAD---]

Saying "I have a life" or "We have a life" is not really a good excuse unless you start asking far too much of someone (ie to check all reported rep all in 1 day and there are like 10 pages of it). Most management staff have other responsibilities that are behind the scenes so they have other stuff to do besides what people see and usually those (behind the scenes stuff) take priority. Obviously you still cannot use the excuse "I have a life" but should rather say it takes time to deal with it all.

Off course since all staff at Habbox are volunteers, they will usually have a few days of less productivity because of school/work or whatever, but thats normal on any volunteer site run by teenagers such as Habbox.

[le harry]

Saying "I have a life" or "We have a life" is not really a good excuse unless you start asking far too much of someone (ie to check all reported rep all in 1 day and there are like 10 pages of it). Most management staff have other responsibilities that are behind the scenes so they have other stuff to do besides what people see and usually those (behind the scenes stuff) take priority. Obviously you still cannot use the excuse "I have a life" but should rather say it takes time to deal with it all.

Off course since all staff at Habbox are volunteers, they will usually have a few days of less productivity because of school/work or whatever, but thats normal on any volunteer site run by teenagers such as Habbox.

That's another common excuse "we do stuff behind the scenes", but I can't really comment since I have no idea what it is.

[Nixt]

That's another common excuse "we do stuff behind the scenes", but I can't really comment since I have no idea what it is.

They do a lot of stuff behind the scenes, but the fact is it's no excuse for lack of work on the front-line; they should be sorting that quickly too. I hardly come on Habbox at all any more, so I can't really comment. But I am getting a kind of 'vibe' from people who think the same thing, so obviously it's an issue they need to address.

[WarezKid]

Saying "I have a life" or "We have a life" is not really a good excuse unless you start asking far too much of someone (ie to check all reported rep all in 1 day and there are like 10 pages of it). Most management staff have other responsibilities that are behind the scenes so they have other stuff to do besides what people see and usually those (behind the scenes stuff) take priority. Obviously you still cannot use the excuse "I have a life" but should rather say it takes time to deal with it all.

Off course since all staff at Habbox are volunteers, they will usually have a few days of less productivity because of school/work or whatever, but thats normal on any volunteer site run by teenagers such as Habbox.

None of your staff do the work right.... I PM'ed some of your staff i dont get a reply, WTH?
I might PM you complaining about some of them if you dont mind? :rolleyes:


That's another common excuse "we do stuff behind the scenes", but I can't really comment since I have no idea what it is.

They do have things you know... but as i argee with thread starter. they could give the jobs to other people, start hiring more staff?

[Lycan]

I Also agree with the thread starter.


If there is a more dedicated person with the same or better expierence in the Job they should be replaced. there is no point in having a staff member come on once a week and moan that they have 'so much to do' when someone is out there who wants the job who can constantly be doing and updating and sorting out the needs of members.

I'd also like to ask why the HabboxWorld (International forum aimed at US and CA) is run by UK staff (including myself as Habbox Expert) at one point and HabboxForum (Which must assume is UK as HabboxWorld won't allow Uk events / forums etc) has American staff meaning members have to wait a very long time to get responses because of time differences (the job they do is good but i can't understand why)

[Galaxay1]

Dont need more staff, and people dont HAVE to PM you back you know @ lazer-man

Lycan it takes ages for them to trust staff and some of the people trusted atm dont have same experience/skills to do it.

HabboxWorld can have same UK staff its the same owners so why not the same staff? There isnt nothing to say you have have a job on UK and World?

[WarezKid]

Soo they dont have to PM me giving me info, I got through to the habbox Help desk staff.

and i dont get a PM from dan even through i PM'ed him around 3/4 days ago.

[Lycan]

Dont need more staff, and people dont HAVE to PM you back you know @ lazer-man

Lycan it takes ages for them to trust staff and some of the people trusted atm dont have same experience/skills to do it.

HabboxWorld can have same UK staff its the same owners so why not the same staff? There isnt nothing to say you have have a job on UK and World?

I havn't spoken against hiring staff, but there are alot of members on this forum, i've been on this forum and applied for moderation jobs almost constantly. Opensourcehost was offered a moderation job and within a few months made a super moderator, surely its not time that makes someone trusted but there actions on the forum. and without taking risks can anything ever progress?

I didn't say anything against two sites having the same staff, a proper read of my post would point out that there are more UK staff on HabboxWorld (Which is for US and CA) and US/CA managment on UK , i would of thought it would increase productivity if the two were switched. (In future please read my post before posting)

[--ss--]

Seriously it's not like you can do any better , The management are actually really dedicated , they don't have to be on 24/7 to be dedicated.

The priority for nvrsk and josh is to do the vip as people are actually paying for the service , Before you weren't able to remove pointless negative points and no one actually complained, your lucky habbox decided to introduce it.

[Lilian]

I also agree.

I passed my Habbox Help Desk Application and got a trial. The help desk closed and reopened. I lost my forum permissions because I purchased VIP. So what did I do? I PM'ed MAD who then forwarded me to nrskp4 and NOTHING was done. I opened threads with staff replying "PM the manager" even though I have? Im still waiting for replies now but after such a long time I would never want to take Habbox up again because thats how much the staff suck. You want staff, yet you wont sort them? Pathetic.

[Mr.OSH]

I Also agree with the thread starter.


If there is a more dedicated person with the same or better experience in the Job they should be replaced. there is no point in having a staff member come on once a week and moan that they have 'so much to do' when someone is out there who wants the job who can constantly be doing and updating and sorting out the needs of members.

I'd also like to ask why the HabboxWorld (International forum aimed at US and CA) is run by UK staff (including myself as Habbox Expert) at one point and HabboxForum (Which must assume is UK as HabboxWorld won't allow Uk events / forums etc) has American staff meaning members have to wait a very long time to get responses because of time differences (the job they do is good but i can't understand why)

Even though this is a UK forum it isn't fair to single people out and stop them from working here because they don't come from the UK. It's all about how productive they are with their job and every signal staff member at Habbox, especially the higher ranked staff have proved that they are capable and willing over a long period of time. We are seeing people going back to school/work/collage at the moment so people will clearly be very busy which limits their time on Habbox. Habbox will not just fire staff members who have spent a long amount of time working for Habbox to replace them with people who may not have the experience. Habbox runs differently to other forums in aspects so they would never employ someone as a high ranked position straight away no matter what the experience they have as they have to prove that they can be trusted and can work hard over a long period of time.

Things like reputation come second to more important management work, reputation can be dealt with and can't cause big problems if it mount up in the way that other more important work mounts up. There are always main priorities for the jobs at Habbox and they come first, sadly reputation does not come first however it will be dealt with, people need to be patient especially when people are still in transition back to schools and work and therefore are getting a lot coming all at once.

Trust me when I say this, no matter how much you complain about a staff members on Habbox they would not be there if they didn't deserve it, yes we all take breaks and we get busy from time to time but Habbox never employs staff that do not work hard. Certain staff wouldn't have the jobs they hold if they did not do them well or didn't work hard at them, I know myself it's easy to complain about staff and thing "what do they do?" when your a member but when you work at Habbox doing a set job it become MUCH harder than you ever expected because it is all structured in a way that gets things done, things you would never have thought of on a system which requires a lot of work to keep the forum in the shape it is now with so many members and such a good forum. Just thing about it for a minute, the staff are very good at Habbox despite what you may thing. :)

[Lycan]

Seriously it's not like you can do any better , The management are actually really dedicated , they don't have to be on 24/7 to be dedicated.

The priority for nvrsk and josh is to do the vip as people are actually paying for the service , Before you weren't able to remove pointless negative points and no one actually complained, your lucky habbox decided to introduce it.



I don't think its fair to say you can't do any better, so far noone has even said they want the job or could do better but there might be users / members out there that could including thoose already in the ranks of Staff.

VIP get a higher treatment is fair, how are WE lucky that habbox introduced it surely you are also.



Even though this is a UK forum it isn't fair to single people out and stop them from working here because they don't come from the UK. It's all about how productive they are with their job and every signal staff member at Habbox, especially the higher ranked staff have proved that they are capable and willing over a long period of time. We are seeing people going back to school/work/collage at the moment so people will clearly be very busy which limits their time on Habbox. Habbox will not just fire staff members who have spent a long amount of time working for Habbox to replace them with people who may not have the experience. Habbox runs differently to other forums in aspects so they would never employ someone as a high ranked position straight away no matter what the experience they have as they have to prove that they can be trusted and can work hard over a long period of time. Things like reputation come second to more important management work, reputation can be dealt with and can't cause big problems if it mount up in the way that other more important work mounts up. There are always main priorities for the jobs at Habbox and they come first, sadly reputation does not come first however it will be dealt with, people need to be patient especially when people are still in transition back to schools and work and therefore are getting a lot coming all at once. Trust me when I say this, no matter how much you complain about a staff members on Habbox they would not be there if they didn't deserve it, yes we all take breaks and we get busy from time to time but Habbox never employs staff that do not work hard. Certain staff wouldn't have the jobs they hold if they did not do them well or didn't work hard at them, I know myself it's easy to complain about staff and thing "what do they do?" when your a member but when you work at Habbox doing a set job it become MUCH harder than you ever expected because it is all structured in a way that gets things done, things you would never have thought of on a system which requires a lot of work to keep the forum in the shape it is now with so many members and such a good forum. Just thing about it for a minute, the staff are very good at Habbox despite what you may thing. :)

I havn't said that the Staff arn't doing a good job nor have i said 'fire' or remove any current member of staff, nor have i complained about any member of staff.


But, Surely if members are annoyed or don't think something is working then something could be wrong with staff members or the way items are run.

[ScottDiamond.]

Does anyone even bother reading the huge paragraphs they edit our posts with? An example would be above (jay's). It's not even split up, it's like a bunch of junk? :rolleyes:

[Galaxay1]

Soo they dont have to PM me giving me info, I got through to the habbox Help desk staff.

and i dont get a PM from dan even through i PM'ed him around 3/4 days ago.

Dan as in the forum member "Dan" if so hes not staff so why would he need to reply to you.


I havn't spoken against hiring staff, but there are alot of members on this forum, i've been on this forum and applied for moderation jobs almost constantly. Opensourcehost was offered a moderation job and within a few months made a super moderator, surely its not time that makes someone trusted but there actions on the forum. and without taking risks can anything ever progress?

I didn't say anything against two sites having the same staff, a proper read of my post would point out that there are more UK staff on HabboxWorld (Which is for US and CA) and US/CA managment on UK , i would of thought it would increase productivity if the two were switched. (In future please read my post before posting)

You got a point but i doubt anything will happen as more people want to be apart of UK forum as its more popular and active.


Seriously it's not like you can do any better , The management are actually really dedicated , they don't have to be on 24/7 to be dedicated.

The priority for nvrsk and josh is to do the vip as people are actually paying for the service , Before you weren't able to remove pointless negative points and no one actually complained, your lucky habbox decided to introduce it.

I can do better. I never said they had to be on 24/7 ;)


I also agree.

I passed my Habbox Help Desk Application and got a trial. The help desk closed and reopened. I lost my forum permissions because I purchased VIP. So what did I do? I PM'ed MAD who then forwarded me to nrskp4 and NOTHING was done. I opened threads with staff replying "PM the manager" even though I have? Im still waiting for replies now but after such a long time I would never want to take Habbox up again because thats how much the staff suck. You want staff, yet you wont sort them? Pathetic.

I doubt they'd do nothing about your perms about VIP + staff as i got that the other day and was sorted within 15 minutes.



Its annoying when they post it all stuffed up but still worth a read :P

[WarezKid]

Does anyone even bother reading the huge paragraphs they edit our posts with? An example would be above (jay's). It's not even split up, it's like a bunch of junk? :rolleyes:

LOL :P

People dont read it anyways, well i didnt, it too small and boring :eusa_whis


Edit: from above post, i didnt mean the forum name "dan" lol. I wont say anyways, due i dont want to argue but the reason is they dont reply to you. for example, you got a job as a forum mod, they PM saying what your habbo name and you reply. when you Waiting for the next PM, and you dont get it.


It like me :l

[Lycan]

You got a point but i doubt anything will happen as more people want to be apart of UK forum as its more popular and active.

See that is a response i would expect and perhaps understand rather then the argumentive ramberlings of Opensourcehost and other members which i do read through several times to understand what they mean before replying

[Mr.OSH]

Does anyone even bother reading the huge paragraphs they edit our posts with? An example would be above (jay's). It's not even split up, it's like a bunch of junk? :rolleyes:

Sorry, I've just typed it all out without thinking about paragraphing, pretty silly of me. :P I'll correct that now.

I just think some members need to realise that staff work exceptionally hard and that they deserve every position they hold at Habbox otherwise they would not be staff here.

[dannyisnotamazing]

It's annoying when nvr does that, when he goes "*Text Removed*!¬!¬! ma infractionz i wnt dem removed" when no one ever talks like that :(:(:(:(.

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:(:(:(:(:(:(:( all i said was
omg with an F

[joshuar]

We don't reply with "We have a life". I am so sorry that my education came before an online forum which resulted in a reputation thread build up, I understand that instead of going to school I should be here sorting out your reputation thread.

If you read my signature I said I was very busy in real life, meaning reputation was going to be delayed. At least I gave off some warning and Jimi very kindly went through it all last night for me.

I don't see how we have ever said you lot don't have a life? Of course you have a life, you go out and socialise like everybody else in the world with the few exceptions.

That is the reason I left the reputation thread, as I gave the VIPs the priority of my time as they paid for a service and they should get it soon. Reputation is a free system (unless you pay for that, but we don't put you guys first), so it came last in the queue of things to do. But now I am doing it in due time as I have sorted all my problems out in real and have time :)

[Dan2nd]

Soo they dont have to PM me giving me info, I got through to the habbox Help desk staff.

and i dont get a PM from dan even through i PM'ed him around 3/4 days ago.


I had alot of Pms to get through I'm sorry I didn't reply to yours. It was sent to me over a week after I PMed all the sucessful applicants asking to arrange interviews with me and a couple of days after we had decided and announced who passed and who failed. Since we were low on staff at the time we had to have a cut off point unfortunetly you took to long to reply and we really needed to get the trials started. If you wish to discuss this further you can PM me.

[Cixso]

That's funny because you can't spell either.

I'm not staff so I don't need to set an example on anybody else but my self.

Reply with the mistakes so I can remember in future.


Seriously it's not like you can do any better , The management are actually really dedicated , they don't have to be on 24/7 to be dedicated.

The priority for nvrsk and josh is to do the vip as people are actually paying for the service , Before you weren't able to remove pointless negative points and no one actually complained, your lucky habbox decided to introduce it.

There lucky we still visit this forum. Not us. They are also lucky we buy VIP. I could do a better job. :)


We don't reply with "We have a life". I am so sorry that my education came before an online forum which resulted in a reputation thread build up, I understand that instead of going to school I should be here sorting out your reputation thread.

So you should, you work here and you took up the job role, if you are "busy" then why do you do the job? Seriously?


We don't reply with "We have a life".

That made me lol. Shall I go through every thread within the last 60 days and give the url to every time they say that. You said that 2 months ago to me when I complained about something.

Management that lie.. tut tut tut.


If you read my signature I said I was very busy in real life, meaning reputation was going to be delayed. At least I gave off some warning and Jimi very kindly went through it all last night for me.

Well done to JIMI. I think if you are having troubles best if you resign for somebody else with more time and dedication. You obviously do not have time.



I don't see how we have ever said you lot don't have a life?

Did I say you did? Re read my post.

[Galaxay1]

Because their busy at a specific time as everyone is when they go back to school doesnt mean they have to resign?

[Lycan]

Because their busy at a specific time as everyone is when they go back to school doesnt mean they have to resign?

Then Perhaps school children shouldn't be placed in such vital jobs

[Galaxay1]

Habbo is mostly used by teenagers and such not 20+ year olds.

They deserved their jobs.

[Lycan]

Habbo is mostly used by teenagers and such not 20+ year olds.

They deserved their jobs.

I Havn't said they don't deserve there jobs.

And school ends at 16.


17,18,19 are also teenagers.

[joshuar]

Did I say you did? Re read my post.

Are you saying you are better than us? With saying you have a life and we perhaps don't as we are on your forum? Thats the impression I get.

The fact is that I had a busy period and I knew it would be over. I do have the time now, but not right then cause I was sorting out my life. Clearly if you had this job you wouldn't be at school or anything as you would have put Habbox first before your education, where as myself, I would rather have an education sorted and put tasks on Habbox on hold for now.

I normally have a reason to be inactive, and the past 2/3 weeks were pretty hectic for me, and I tried my best to be online during that time, I could have just not logged in at all like has happened in the past, but I thought that would be right out of order for the VIPs.

I know you have a problem with me, you will do anything to get me fired, however I can't change what you think of me and I don't want to go out of my way to make you like me, you just seem to have a problem with the fact that I had a busy period in my life :S

[Galaxay1]

Im 16 and im on at school for 2 years still? Doesnt end at 16.

[Lycan]

The fact is that I had a busy period and I knew it would be over. I do have the time now, but not right then cause I was sorting out my life. Clearly if you had this job you wouldn't be at school or anything as you would have put Habbox first before your education, where as myself, I would rather have an education sorted and put tasks on Habbox on hold for now.

I normally have a reason to be inactive, and the past 2/3 weeks were pretty hectic for me, and I tried my best to be online during that time, I could have just not logged in at all like has happened in the past, but I thought that would be right out of order for the VIPs.

I know you have a problem with me, you will do anything to get me fired, however I can't change what you think of me and I don't want to go out of my way to make you like me, you just seem to have a problem with the fact that I had a busy period in my life :S

I think thats quite unfair to say. Perhaps danny can handle life and Habbox more then you as a college student with more free time including in college with computer access.

I don't think Dannys personally attacked you.... guilt perhaps?




School ends at 16.
Sixth Form is from 16 which in turn is college anyway.

I left school.. I'm on Year 2 of College. with alot of free time.

[Dan2nd]

I think thats quite unfair to say. Perhaps danny can handle life and Habbox more then you as a college student with more free time including in college with computer access.

I don't think Dannys personally attacked you.... guilt perhaps?




School ends at 16.
Sixth Form is from 16 which in turn is college anyway.

I left school.. I'm on Year 2 of College. with alot of free time.

I wish I was on the same college course as you :P

[joshuar]

That may be unfair to say, but I think it's unfair for him to tell me to sarifice my education to be active on an online forum.

This thread was worded towards me as it was about reputation, which is what I sort out. As that was the main basis of his argument. I don't feel any sort of guilt for what I did, as if it came to being fired or having education then I would take being fired and have a school to go to.

[Galaxay1]

I think thats quite unfair to say. Perhaps danny can handle life and Habbox more then you as a college student with more free time including in college with computer access.

I don't think Dannys personally attacked you.... guilt perhaps?




School ends at 16.
Sixth Form is from 16 which in turn is college anyway.

I left school.. I'm on Year 2 of College. with alot of free time.

As i said im 16 and have 2 years of school to go.

[Cixso]

Are you saying you are better than us? With saying you have a life and we perhaps don't as we are on your forum? Thats the impression I get.

Read the.. "Are you saying" part... also the "perhaps" Also the "Impression"


The fact is that I had a busy period and I knew it would be over. I do have the time now, but not right then cause I was sorting out my life. Clearly if you had this job you wouldn't be at school or anything as you would have put Habbox first before your education, where as myself, I would rather have an education sorted and put tasks on Habbox on hold for now.

I'm full time education, got a distinction last year in college and I have plenty of time.

What makes you different? I also play football, go out often and I'm more active than you.


I normally have a reason to be inactive, and the past 2/3 weeks were pretty hectic for me, and I tried my best to be online during that time, I could have just not logged in at all like has happened in the past, but I thought that would be right out of order for the VIPs.

Could of replaced your self for 2 weeks... to another high management staff?


I know you have a problem with me, you will do anything to get me fired, however I can't change what you think of me and I don't want to go out of my way to make you like me, you just seem to have a problem with the fact that I had a busy period in my life :S

Not at all. I just do not like your management skills. I don't dislike you as a person as I do not know you.

[Lycan]

As i said im 16 and have 2 years of school to go.


Do you have school or 6th form.

Law allows students to leave school at 16.



Ah you're scottish... which means you are in Sixth form.. or have turned 16 since the start of your new year just before the summer holidays or recently. but you just have a rubbish educational system (This isn't a thing against you, my GF used to go to school in Scotland, left school at 16 as the school coudn't offer her what she wanted to go to an English college)

[Galaxay1]

No im second last year.

[joshuar]

I asked nvrspk4 to cover the reputation thread, he said he would try his best, but didn't have a chance it seems to do it.

I never said I'm different, but the fact I handle my time different which means that I am not always coming online while I am busy? I just don't see why you want to pick me off for every little thing I do, people understand that I was busy with real life things, and were willing to let it go while I sorted things out.

Why do you just want go on about it. I am sorry if you don't like my management style, why not inform me of why you hate it, cause I don't think anybody has had a problem with it like you seem to.

[Lycan]

No im second last year.

I'm not quite sure what that means... Nor is anyone i've asked to decode it for me

[Cixso]

I asked nvrspk4 to cover the reputation thread, he said he would try his best, but didn't have a chance it seems to do it.

Well now you know not to rely on him.


I never said I'm different, but the fact I handle my time different which means that I am not always coming online while I am busy? I just don't see why you want to pick me off for every little thing I do, people understand that I was busy with real life things, and were willing to let it go while I sorted things out.

Why do you just want go on about it. I am sorry if you don't like my management style, why not inform me of why you hate it, cause I don't think anybody has had a problem with it like you seem to.

I don't like it how you are rarely active yet you have a very important role.

I did not like how you ran Habbox World, as it took days upon days to make a decision.

[Galaxay1]

Our education:

Nursery - 1 year roughly
Primary School - (roughly 5 when you start) Primary 1 - 7
High School - (roughly 12 when you start)1st Year to 6th Year

Then college then uni etc.

[Lycan]

Our education:

Nursery - 1 year roughly
Primary School - (roughly 5 when you start) Primary 1 - 7
High School - (roughly 12 when you start)1st Year to 6th Year

Then college then uni etc.


I now how your education works.


What i want to know is what

No im second last year.


means and what it has to do with it, You can leave school at 16 even in Scotland i know you can, but because you have only recently turned 16 it means you can probebly leave at the end of your next school year.

This has no real need to be posted as i said that school children shoudnt be given managment jobs and i stick to it.

[Galaxay1]

I can leave yes. But you said school ends at 16 when it doesnt, you have an option to leave at 16, and as most people living around here experienced you get no job. As most people who leave at 16 at stupid and have messed their life up an dont have quailifications to get college/uni.

And what would you rather, 30/40/50 years old ran the forum? :rolleyes:

[joshuar]

I am normally quite active thank you, just because I normally go on earlier in the night and go out at about 7-8, so thats about 3 hours a night, which is enough for anybody, and more than I would really want to be.

The only reason it took a while to reach decisions on world is because of two factors at the time:
1) How many ideas were X's giving the management at that time? Many upon many. We wanted to consider each so you wouldn't feel rejected.
2) Most decisions are decided by a number of people, not just one. Due to different times of being online it wasn't just a quick deciding thing.

I am sorry that you don't like how I run things, however, it's not your choice on how I run things, if it was poor, I am sure ---MAD--- or sierk would have complained, or taken action.

[Cixso]

I can leave yes. But you said school ends at 16 when it doesnt, you have an option to leave at 16, and as most people living around here experienced you get no job. As most people who leave at 16 at stupid and have messed their life up an dont have quailifications to get college/uni.Stay on topic.


And what would you rather, 30/40/50 years old ran the forum? :rolleyes:I would actually.



I am sorry that you don't like how I run things, however, it's not your choice on how I run things, if it was poor, I am sure ---MAD--- or sierk would have complained, or taken action.Just because your friends are not complaining doesn't mean you are not doing good. Users who aren't your friends are complaining. Many users agree with me.

EDIT:

I am not just picking on you, this is for the Management in general.

[Lycan]

I can leave yes. But you said school ends at 16 when it doesnt, you have an option to leave at 16, and as most people living around here experienced you get no job. As most people who leave at 16 at stupid and have messed their life up an dont have quailifications to get college/uni.

And what would you rather, 30/40/50 years old ran the forum? :rolleyes:


No. I said no School Children.

I'm a College student... i don't see Sixth Formers as School Chidlren ether.

Please rethink your posts in future.

[joshuar]

I am sure if sierk or ---MAD--- had a problem they would talk to me in a manager sense, not a friend sense.

How do you know I am even friends with them? As the example has it, I do talk to them both on a non-Habbox basis, but they still tell me how to handle things and tell me where I am going wrong.

I felt that this thread was personally picking on me, which is why I have replied strongly as I don't think it's fair because I have been sorting out my life, which to be honest, I put before Habbox, I'd rather be happier in real life with an education and social life, which everybody needs. Again, I am not saying "You have no life", I am saying that I keep busy in mine, and then fit Habbox in around my life, not the other way around.

You are entitled to complain about things, but the fact that I have given what I feel is a justified reason as to why I have been inactive, and I am now not so inactive and am back on track with my Habbox jobs again after my hectic period.

[Cixso]

I am sure if sierk or ---MAD--- had a problem they would talk to me in a manager sense, not a friend sense.

I really find that hard to believe... But I'll have to take your word.


How do you know I am even friends with them? As the example has it, I do talk to them both on a non-Habbox basis, but they still tell me how to handle things and tell me where I am going wrong.

But are you friends?


I felt that this thread was personally picking on me, which is why I have replied strongly as I don't think it's fair because I have been sorting out my life, which to be honest, I put before Habbox, I'd rather be happier in real life with an education and social life, which everybody needs. Again, I am not saying "You have no life", I am saying that I keep busy in mine, and then fit Habbox in around my life, not the other way around.

As I said, if you are too busy let somebody else do your job. It's unfair on others who are dedicated and online a lot. It is also unfair on your self.

This thread wasn't specifically aimed at you.


You are entitled to complain about things, but the fact that I have given what I feel is a justified reason as to why I have been inactive, and I am now not so inactive and am back on track with my Habbox jobs again after my hectic period.

Well I am glad it is sorted out but all I can say is what I said above.

[Neversoft]

It is funny how I received an infraction because I received +rep from my friends and receiving reputation back as I repped them for good services... I won't go into much detail but that is pathetic.

Yeah, nvrspk has said If I keep repping people back and 'pointless' repping people it will result in having to ban my account. :S

If you get repped. You rep back. It's how you thank the user who repped you. But now I'm being told that it's against the rules and classed as 'pointless reputation'. Bloody stupid.


If you have a life and are busy, why not pass your job on then? Resign? Give some other person with no life a chance who will be dedicated and work there *** off.

Exactly. 'Oh, can't do that I'm too busy right now'. Quit then. Jeez some staff really need to get their act together.

[Galaxay1]

Chris, just find threads and rep them saying 'Nice find' or 'Good post' etc :P Then he cant ban you as its not pointless :>

[Axel]

And my VIP still hasn't arrived after 10 days.

[Galaxay1]

Axel, you purchase with SMS?

[Lycan]

And my VIP still hasn't arrived after 10 days.

i thought VIPs , people who pay came before normal members...


Shows how low down normal members are down the list

[Axel]

Ye....

[Galaxay1]

Did you PM nvrspk? :P

[Neversoft]

Chris, just find threads and rep them saying 'Nice find' or 'Good post' etc :P Then he cant ban you as its not pointless :>

But half of the reps that nvr said were pointless wernt pointless at all. Look...
(If nvr doesn't want me posting this then he is free to remove it)


Hey Neversoft,

This is a warning about your constant pointless repping. It has gotten to the point where its become excessive, and though we've tried to ignore it, continuing this will leave us no option but to ban your account. So please cease all this pointless repping. Its a stupid thing to get yourself banned over ;)

A bit of evidence from the last 4 days:

*REMOVED*

Please note that returning rep is also against the rules.

Thanks,
nvrspk4
Assistant General Manager

My rep to PaulMacC, Romance, Furi0n (Notice that I said 'good post' and it is still aparrently pointless...), Volcanoz, Wiley, Typers, mean-machine and Typoh are certaintly not pointless. And the other reps were repping people back who had repped me. As I said before, If someone reps you. You rep them back. It's a way of saying thanks. Shouldn't be against the rules at all. :S

You'd think that being an active member for 2 years, purchasing 3 years worth of vip and being a forum moderator for 8 months aswell as being (assistant) articles manager, rare values reporter, theme park staff and a load of other stuff they would treat me with a little respect.

Edited By nvrspk4 (Assistant General Manager): Although I don't have a problem with the PM being shown, it shows people what really happened, we can't show the rep comments due to the forum rules, so I have removed the portion with rep comments. Thanks.

[Lycan]

If Repping back is pointless why do the managment let so many people have it in there sig, and why does it say when you rep someone ' maybe you'll get some in return '

[Galaxay1]

Yer o.O

Also they shouldnt stop you from pointless +repping, i mean -repping ok cause they have to deal with it, but they shouldnt have to care about +reps :S

[Lycan]

Yer o.O

Also they shouldnt stop you from pointless +repping, i mean -repping ok cause they have to deal with it, but they shouldnt have to care about +reps :S


Considering you can buy it anyway... you'd think posstive rep would be ok, normally people take offense at -nep normally given during arguments

[Cixso]

Chris, just find threads and rep them saying 'Nice find' or 'Good post' etc :P Then he cant ban you as its not pointless :> Mad told me reps that say Good post are allowed. :) So yep :)

Also, I posted reps to users saying good posts, apparently I am abusing it.

[Neversoft]

If Repping back is pointless why do the managment let so many people have it in there sig, and why does it say when you rep someone ' maybe you'll get some in return '

Exactly. They don't do anything about that and my signature is even asking people not to rep me in a way, yet I'm the one that gets a warning. Did anyone else recieve one of these pms?

[Axel]

I didn't see anything about pming Nvrspk4 in the VIP thing.

[Lycan]

Exactly. They don't do anything about that and my signature is even asking people not to rep me in a way, yet I'm the one that gets a warning. Did anyone else recieve one of these pms?

i personally didn't, i just lost 80+ rep points without any message. and now i have to deal with two rather immature people in this thread revenge repping me. the point is i've already had 80+ removed if i report some idiot -repping me for a stupid reason will they remove more of my rep even if i consider it not to be pointless and nor does the person who sent it.


Surely threads with +rep if you do this for me, when the rep goes down on paper it shows as a pointless rep.

[Galaxay1]

You used to :S Dont know if you have to now.. and chris i didnt :P

[Cixso]

*Quote Removed*
That was mine.

Edited by opensourcehost (Forum Super Moderator): Please do not post comments displayed by the reputation system or post Private Messages.

[Galaxay1]

If its for a good post i dont see why it cant be allowed.. :S

[Cixso]

If its for a good post i dont see why it cant be allowed.. :S

Nvrspk4 or what ever his name is has a grudge on me because I complained about him to Habbox, Of course... I got no email replies or pm's :P

There all best buds and they proberly laugh at us.

[Neversoft]

i personally didn't, i just lost 80+ rep points without any message. and now i have to deal with two rather immature people in this thread revenge repping me. the point is i've already had 80+ removed if i report some idiot -repping me for a stupid reason will they remove more of my rep even if i consider it not to be pointless and nor does the person who sent it.


Surely threads with +rep if you do this for me, when the rep goes down on paper it shows as a pointless rep.

They took 100 of my rep also and the managment keep removing the reps I give people aswell. :S I'm sure Josh will remove your -reps if they're pointless. He removed mine. :)


Nvrspk4 or what ever his name is has a grudge on me because I complained about him to Habbox, Of course... I got no email replies or pm's :P

There all best buds and they proberly laugh at us.

I don't think nvr holds grudges because hes always been a cool guy to me and then I suddenly got that pm from him. I guess hes only doing his job but it is a rather silly reason to ban me really.

[Lycan]

They took 100 of my rep also and the managment keep removing the reps I give people aswell. :S I'm sure Josh will remove your -reps if they're pointless. He removed mine. :)



I don't think nvr holds grudges because hes always been a cool guy to me and then I suddenly got that pm from him.


i've given up reporting Reps... they stopped removing my - ones a while ago, i'd report the same ones each day and nothing would ever happen, one rep randomly just called me a noob! and didn't get removed, now they are off the 'latest 10' and have been for some time so i no longer care, i'm happy to take the pointless - rep as i now its pointless and i'll get plus rep from my posts which people agree with.

I think staff don't like people who kick up a Fuss, but without someone moaning would there ever be a change in the world.

[&]

Rant over? :/
Ive never had a problem with the staff..

[Galaxay1]

I usually get my reps taken off, also anyone know what "roshashanah" means? :S

[Lycan]

I usually get my reps taken off, also anyone know what "roshashanah" means? :S

I wonder.


If someone reps you with 'Good Post' is that pointless or not , because danny had a few removed that said that, but surely if the person thought the post was good and repped it surely it isn't pointless and surely you can't tell them that they didn't enjoy it

[Galaxay1]

This thread has gone along way..:P

and i meant i get my neg rep taken off :P

[Cixso]

Rant over? :/
Ive never had a problem with the staff..

Depends if the management actually do something about it, if not... then they must expect many more complaints.

[Lycan]

Rant over? :/
Ive never had a problem with the staff..

OF course not, your a VIP ;)

[Galaxay1]

If someone reps you with good post i beleive its totally acceptable as their commenting on your post and its not pointless.

[Lycan]

*Quote Removed*
The ones in bold could be deemed as not pointless then

[Marsquake]

i agree. i think the rep system has been mucked up for ages, it mucked up big style when they allowed scammers to buy rep to make it look like they were trusted. and i don't see the point in removing the pointless reps, i mean the time they use removing reps could be used for something useful like improving the forum, removing some of the pointless words from the filter. and also firing pointless stuck up management, not naming no names. :)

[WarezKid]

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?p=3898603#post3898603



Rofl at that -.-

[Lycan]

A week after a problem starts they realise? .. i don't get it .... this is normal... why are we laughing?

[Immenseman]

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?p=3898603#post3898603



Rofl at that -.-

Not funny whatsoever..

[Galaxay1]

I agree its not funny as people arent exactly happy because this :rolleyes: And yer taking a week to relise is a bit slow? :o

[WarezKid]

A week after a problem starts they realise? .. i don't get it .... this is normal... why are we laughing?


Not funny whatsoever..

I'm laughing at the people who sorts out the VIP. Not at you guys wantin vip, I was gonna get VIP tommrrow :rolleyes:

[Immenseman]

I don't want VIP at the moment. You seem to think that thread is funny, I fail to see why. No doubt my lack of sense of humour is to blame.

[Lycan]

I don't want VIP at the moment. You seem to think that thread is funny, I fail to see why. No doubt my lack of sense of humour is to blame.


Ether that or you don't understand sarcasm.

[Immenseman]

Judging by that post, i'm not the only one.

[Lycan]

Judging by that post, i'm not the only one.

Why post offtopic ...


This thread is about how we are displeased at the actions of HabboxStaff. and will not be turned into spam which the staff can just close and ignore

[Immenseman]

Ether that or you don't understand sarcasm.


Why post offtopic ...


This thread is about how we are displeased at the actions of HabboxStaff. and will not be turned into spam which the staff can just close and ignore

Well, members of staff I think you're referring to have explained what's been happening in this thread. I think you'll just have to wait and see if there is an improvement and if not then bring this up again.

[Lycan]

Well, members of staff I think you're referring to have explained what's been happening in this thread. I think you'll just have to wait and see if there is an improvement and if not then bring this up again.


If you had read the thread you would see that no member of staff have explained anything, one or two have over defended themselves and others when they havn't been mentioned at all.

[Immenseman]

I have read the thread and some members of staff have explained why they haven't been doing everything as quick as they'd like to. Your criticism is constructive and I have no doubt they will take it on board. :)

[Aflux]

It's not an excuse, they're not all Robocop's [maybe 1 or 2] but people DO HAVE LIVES.

Do you spend 23.9 hours a day answering people's queries on a forum that doesn't change lives - do you? No.

[Galaxay1]

It's not an excuse, they're not all Robocop's [maybe 1 or 2] but people DO HAVE LIVES.

Do you spend 23.9 hours a day answering people's queries on a forum that doesn't change lives - do you? No.

I do though

[Lycan]

It's not an excuse, they're not all Robocop's [maybe 1 or 2] but people DO HAVE LIVES.

Do you spend 23.9 hours a day answering people's queries on a forum that doesn't change lives - do you? No.


In Fairness nor do any of the Habbox Staff.

Infact at the momment i find myself online more then all visible staff.

[Galaxay1]

Im logged on forum 24/7 :P

[Aflux]

In Fairness nor do any of the Habbox Staff.

Infact at the momment i find myself online more then all visible staff.
So would you be ready to take on the demanding job in looking at, and reversing all unfair reputation every single day?

[Galaxay1]

I would.

[Lycan]

So would you be ready to take on the demanding job in looking at, and reversing all unfair reputation every single day?


Yes. I'd be Happy to aid the community


4,000th Post?

[Aflux]

Yes. I'd be Happy to aid the community
And do the same thing, day in day out and spend all your spare time, not going out, not socialising not even eating to sort out people's problems?

[Galaxay1]

I would eat as i eat next to comp, so yes.

Gratz lycan.

[Lycan]

And do the same thing, day in day out and spend all your spare time, not going out, not socialising not even eating to sort out people's problems?

I would Happy to spend the needed time sorting out problems related to my job position, Yes.



Thanks Galaxay :) (http://habboxforum.com/member.php?u=42406)

[Dan2nd]

In Fairness nor do any of the Habbox Staff.

Infact at the momment i find myself online more then all visible staff.

I don't think thats anything to be proud of =l

[Lycan]

I don't think thats anything to be proud of =l

It can mean 1 of 2 things, ether the staff arn't on much or i'm on too much. and i still have a Happy GF so i guess its not the latter.

[Aflux]

I would Happy to spend the needed time sorting out problems related to my job position, Yes.



Thanks Galaxay :)
No, would you spend every living minute supporting people on a Habbo-related forum?

[Galaxay1]

You dont need to spend EVERY minute on it though? ;)

[Dan2nd]

It can mean 1 of 2 things, ether the staff arn't on much or i'm on too much. and i still have a Happy GF so i guess its not the latter.

Well I think I'm certainly on enough , to much infact today I've been on for at least 4 hours which I think is quite embarrising and i fail to see how you having a girlfriend has anything to do with how long your online..

[Lycan]

No, would you spend every living minute supporting people on a Habbo-related forum?



I've run forums in the past, including a popular habbo forum. i know that it doesn't take every living minute.

But i'm sure if i was given the chance i would happily take the job over from the current member of staff ether Temp to allow the person to rest from such a 24/7 job (so you claim) or as a full time job.


That awnser your question?



Well I think I'm certainly on enough , to much infact today I've been on for at least 4 hours which I think is quite embarrising and i fail to see how you having a girlfriend has anything to do with how long your online..

Sorry - it was to point out i do have time to mantain a social life.

[Aflux]

You dont need to spend EVERY minute on it though? ;)
Then stop expecting the staff to do the same - as you are staff, you should know it's demanding.

[Galaxay1]

Not really all i do is sit in a Habbo room for 4 hours? :P

[whoooosh]

I agree with it all tbh

[Soy]

I agree. They should be nicer to us. If there was no "us" there would be no "them" ;)

[Cixso]

Then stop expecting the staff to do the same - as you are staff, you should know it's demanding.

Who said they should be on 24.7?

Use your intelligence and stop acting like a smart *** and think about what you post.

What a stupid post that was, "You expect them to be on 24.7"

Come on, I expect this from a 12 year old.

Nobody expect them to be on 24.7, we expect them to be on for more than 2 hours a day and to be dedicated. The fact this is a habbo fansite doesn't define anything other that it's still a community.

I really thought you would have an intelligent reply... got me surprised.

[Dan2nd]

I agree. They should be nicer to us. If there was no "us" there would be no "them" ;)

can you elaborate on how Habbox managers aren't nice to you?

[Lycan]

can you elaborate on how Habbox managers aren't nice to you?


This thread is on Staff as a Whole.

[Cixso]

can you elaborate on how Habbox managers aren't nice to you?

Unfair infractions, not answering to my email for a complaint, treating me unfairly and a phew selected others.

[Sammeth.]

Unfair infractions, not answering to my email for a complaint, treating me unfairly and a phew selected others.

Managers dont give out infractions. And its spelt few for future reference.

[Lycan]

Managers dont give out infractions. And its spelt few for furutre reference.



As i already said this is against habbo staff as a whole


and its spelt future, for future reference.

[Cixso]

Managers dont give out infractions. And its spelt few for furutre reference.

Furutre is spelt future for future reference.

Dont is correctly pronounced as don't for future reference.

Its is correctly pronounced as it's for future reference.

Managers obviously do.

[Sammeth.]

As i already said this is against habbo staff as a whole


and its spelt future, for future reference.

Oops :D Thanks.


Furutre is spelt future for future reference.

Dont is correctly pronounced as don't for future reference.

Its is correctly pronounced as it's for future reference.

Managers obviously do.

If you want me to go back to your first post and point out each and every mistake, I will be here for a while, but I can. I remember you saying in this thread you wanted people to post corrections, so I was only doing what you asked ;)

And I am a manager and I do not give infractions. Thats the moderators job. ;)

[Lycan]

Oops :D Thanks



No problem.


Perhap danny if refering to managers is refering to thoose that deal with the forum rather then habbo related acitivities.

[Sammeth.]

No problem.


Perhap danny if refering to managers is refering to thoose that deal with the forum rather then habbo related acitivities.

He should be more specific. Though moderators, general managers and forum managers can give infractions. Other forum based department, or even habbo based departement managers, cannot.

[Cixso]

If you want me to go back to your first post and point out each and every mistake, I will be here for a while, but I can. I remember you saying in this thread you wanted people to post corrections, so I was only doing what you asked ;)Go ahead, I was pointing out yours too. I'll learn them for future references.


He should be more specific. Though moderators, general managers and forum managers can give infractions. Other forum based department, or even habbo based departement managers, cannot.This thread is not just about infractions. It is a general complaint about a specific group of managers, not just 1 specific manager as I stated earlier.

If you can not give infractions then it obviously not aimed at you. If you are online a lot it is obviously not aimed at you.

Just common sense really...

[Sammeth.]

This thread is not just about infractions. It is a general complaint about a specific group of managers, not just 1 specific manager as I stated earlier.

I never said this wasnt about a specific manager. I was merely saying that the statement "Managers give out infractions" is simply not true. :)


If you can not give infractions then it obviously not aimed at you. If you are online a lot it is obviously not aimed at you.


However, saying Managers give infractions, it was aimed at me, so I wanted to correct that. Now that I have done that, I can skedaddle! ;)

[Cixso]

]I never said this wasnt about a specific manager. I was merely saying that the statement "Managers give out infractions" is simply not true. :)Depends how serious you want to be. Managers do give out infractions... Managers that have the privileges give them out... Therefor... Managers give out infractions.


However, saying Managers give infractions, it was aimed at me, so I wanted to correct that. Now that I have done that, I can skedaddle! ;)Managers who can infract.

Common sense.

[Sammeth.]

Depends how serious you want to be. Managers do give out infractions... Managers that have the privileges give them out... Therefor... Managers give out infractions.

Managers who can infract.

Common sense.

You should be specific. Only forum managers or general managers can. Thats a hell of a lot of managers that cant...

[Lycan]

You should be specific. Only forum managers or general managers can. Thats a hell of a lot of managers that cant...



He should but he was hoping that forum managers that could not infract would realise it wasn't directed at them (after all how could they).

[Cixso]

He should but he was hoping that forum managers that could not infract would realise it wasn't directed at them (after all how could they).

Called common sense.

[Sammeth.]

He should but he was hoping that forum managers that could not infract would realise it wasn't directed at them (after all how could they).
And as I have stated before, I was merely correcting him thinking he had made a mistake. Hence why he should be more specific...

[Lycan]

And as I have stated before, I was merely correcting him thinking he had made a mistake. Hence why he should be more specific...


He understands he should of be specific, i understand it, the world understands it but as danny explained he didn't make it specific because it thought people would understand what it meant which you didn't and therefore this conversation comes about

Time to let it go.

[Sammeth.]

He understands he should of be specific, i understand it, the world understands it but as danny explained he didn't make it specific because it thought people would understand what it meant which you didn't and therefore this conversation comes about

Time to let it go.

If we are going to use the "Time to let it go" excuse, I think we should let go of the fact that a lot of staff put their life before Habbox :D

[Lycan]

If we are going to use the "Time to let it go" excuse, I think we should let go of the fact that a lot of staff put their life before Habbox :D


Smart, that was smart, but the let it go was refering to and could only be understood to mean that i was stopping the posts from you and danny continuing the echo.

Something i would hope that the managment will do to solve this thread ( aka understanding, solving)

No one has said staff should put habbox before their life so you are the sole person who think that. so you should infact say


If we are going to use the "Time to let it go" excuse, I think I should let go of the fact that a lot of staff put their life before Habbox :D

[Sammeth.]

No one has said staff should put habbox before their life so you are the sole person who think that. so you should infact say

I could have sworn someone earlier in the thread did. If not, then I apologise, but its too late for me to go searching through the thread.

[today]

Im 16 and im on at school for 2 years still? Doesnt end at 16.
Does for some :)

[nvrspk4]

Oh, lovely, another one of these :rolleyes:

So let's start from the beginning. This entire thing is about reputation isn't it. Not a single bit is about the other issues you raised, its attacking me for removing a few pointless reputations you recieved and infracting you, is it? Ok fine, I will defend myself.


Are you saying you are better than us? With saying you have a life and we perhaps don't as we are on your forum? Thats the impression I get.

No, what we are saying is that when you haven't logged in for a week, we do not start a thread saying "OMG PYCAN / LYCAN HASN'T LOGGED IN FOR A WEEK OR CHECKED MY PM!!" because you don't need to defend yourself against that. Apparently we do. (Apologies in advance, I *am* going to mix Pycan and Lycan up.)


It is funny how I received an infraction because I received +rep from my friends and receiving reputation back as I repped them for good services... I won't go into much detail but that is pathetic.

You recieved an infraction for a thread that is basically asking for pointless +rep. And returning all that rep in a pointless fashion.


That nrskp4 is terrible for it! Why not learn to take criticism like every body else has too on your forum?

Where did I A) Flame you or B) Refuse to take constructive criticism? The only thing I did was posted a thread about the rampant pointless rep threads in the spam forum. You did not make any comments of constructive criticism that I saw.


I honestly can only say I like a phew managers from Habbox Forum, but there are others I despise because they are just lazy and have important life's than us and they never let us forget. Some of your staff can't even spell either... Not a good impression.

:rolleyes:


Come on, we make your forum work. At least treat us with respect as we do to you.

As far as I'm concerned, I treat everyone with as much respect as I can. Which is why I standardize infractions and I don't infract only some people, and additionally when someone reports something, I always deal with it instead of ignoring it (as is highly relavant to this case, the entire incident started with someone reporting the thread in question. No I will not tell you who.)



Not like the reply I got last time from a certain member of staff.

Everybody has a right to complain, it's exactly what I am doing. Tis' my feedback.

I hope you're not talking about me, because I've never PMd you before, except for the automated infraction message. You have a right to complain (within the rules), of course, but by the same token, I have a right to defend myself.


It's annoying when nvr does that, when he goes "*Text Removed*!¬!¬! ma infractionz i wnt dem removed" when no one ever talks like that

That's actually my attempt at humor more than anything else, to make a serious thread a little more bearable. I can't actually make too much of a joke because it has to be serious, but if its completely boring and standard nobody reads it. Its strange, I agree, but I've come to learn that it works. Except I haven't actually said *that*


That's another common excuse "we do stuff behind the scenes", but I can't really comment since I have no idea what it is.

You can always ask :) I for example just sorted permissions for four departments, added VIP, replied to 42 PMs (35 of which were sitting in my inbox when I logged in), dealt with a few complaints, dropped off some prizes, spent some time in HxHD, checked on the trialists, made sure we had events and had a discussion with another admin about policy. And today was a tame day. We all have a lot to do :) I love my jobs, which is why I do them, and I can still do them, but it does kind of irritate me when people accuse me of doing absolutely no work :rolleyes: (not you, I'm just kind of making my point after my response to your quote.)


None of your staff do the work right.... I PM'ed some of your staff i dont get a reply, WTH?
I might PM you complaining about some of them if you dont mind?

I replied to your PM...



I'd also like to ask why the HabboxWorld (International forum aimed at US and CA) is run by UK staff (including myself as Habbox Expert) at one point and HabboxForum (Which must assume is UK as HabboxWorld won't allow Uk events / forums etc) has American staff meaning members have to wait a very long time to get responses because of time differences (the job they do is good but i can't understand why)

That's a fair question. A lot of it has to do with Habbo itself. Remember, the UK hotel was up far before the US hotel was. Therefore, some of us had all our friends on the UK hotel, and we never really made the switch over. Habbox UK is the big one, therefore the most competent staff rise to the top. I'm going to reveal a staff prejudice here, so I ask that all HxW staff don't get offended, because it doesn't apply to *everyone* :P Most of us are of the common consensus that the people who can't get jobs on here and really want to work for Habbox go there. Or, the favorite quote of management, "The ones who can't get power here go there." That being said, that has slowly filtered out, and a lot of the international management is highly capable. But in the past, when they were desperate to fill slots, people just moved over there and got into management without doing work. Since we have more candidates over here, its easier to weed out those who don't work and those who do. You're right, it does seem unnatural, but when you see it through from the beginning it makes some kind of sense :P

NOTE: Most of the HxW staff currently are terrific at what they do. What I described above is mostly from the past, though its somewhat true now, because MOD jobs are so hard to come by here, a lot of people mod on the international Habbox.


I passed my Habbox Help Desk Application and got a trial. The help desk closed and reopened. I lost my forum permissions because I purchased VIP. So what did I do? I PM'ed MAD who then forwarded me to nrskp4 and NOTHING was done. I opened threads with staff replying "PM the manager" even though I have? Im still waiting for replies now but after such a long time I would never want to take Habbox up again because thats how much the staff suck. You want staff, yet you wont sort them? Pathetic.

As the desk closed and reopened, and the old management were lost, we did not know who were trialists and who weren't. We knew those who had permissions and who didn't. However we did post an activity thread, and we went based on those. The people who replied got in with the next wave. Looking through my PMs, the day you got VIP (7-18) and a seven day period after, I have no PMs about it. As you were saying?


Then Perhaps school children shouldn't be placed in such vital jobs

Do you realize how ridiculous that is? If people in school weren't allowed to work here, I think we would have three members of staff. All members of staff would have to be paid, because not many adults will work for free on a Habbo fansite. Therefore a lot of our services will shut down. A lot. We can't even afford to pay like 3 normal salaries. 2,000 pounds a year, way below minimum wage? No way. Maybe one person. That's it. Most 17-19 year olds go to college.


Could of replaced your self for 2 weeks... to another high management staff?

For security reasons the number of admins are kept low. We also recently lost several management members, for example Tomlegend was great with stepping in wherever help is needed. MAD, myself, and J1MI could not take on his workload, because of the very thing you are complaining about, we don't take on more than we can chew, because we know it would affect our ability to provide services.


I asked nvrspk4 to cover the reputation thread, he said he would try his best, but didn't have a chance it seems to do it.

He's right, he did ask me, but that night a family emergency popped up, something I could not control, and as people have probably noticed, my activity was severely limited for a few days due to long nights and days. If you want us to be replaced every time we have a family emergency beyond our control, then half of Habbox would be fired by now.



I am sure if sierk or ---MAD--- had a problem they would talk to me in a manager sense, not a friend sense.
I really find that hard to believe... But I'll have to take your word.

Its actually true. Its difficult to do, but its something sierk, myself, and MAD have all taught ourselves to do. I have banned, infracted, and warned friends (yesterday included) because its my job, and I have to be unbiased. Unfortunately, some friends can't accept that I don't give favoritism when enforcing the rules, but I guess that shows who are true friends and who are just in it to suck up. Useful sort of, though its rather dissapointing when someone I liked turns out to be one of the suck up variety and not really a friend.



Yeah, nvrspk has said If I keep repping people back and 'pointless' repping people it will result in having to ban my account. :S

If you get repped. You rep back. It's how you thank the user who repped you. But now I'm being told that it's against the rules and classed as 'pointless reputation'. Bloody stupid.

Exactly. 'Oh, can't do that I'm too busy right now'. Quit then. Jeez some staff really need to get their act together.

You were warned for pointless repping because people have complained about the system recently. When you are repping back just for rep, it is pointless. What would be allowed is going through the other person's posts, finding a genuinely good post, and repping them for *that*. Just putting "Good post" if the post is "yeah, I know" or "blahblah is trusted" will be deleted, because its quite obvious that you were covering up another post. But I think Chris and I have sorted out the problems he had with this. Like I said, I bear no ill will towards him, I actually thought and think he's a pretty decent guy, but I can't treat him differently than I would someone else in the same situation.


i thought VIPs , people who pay came before normal members...


Shows how low down normal members are down the list

They do, we just haven't recieved payment.



My rep to PaulMacC, Romance, Furi0n (Notice that I said 'good post' and it is still aparrently pointless...), Volcanoz, Wiley, Typers, mean-machine and Typoh are certaintly not pointless. And the other reps were repping people back who had repped me. As I said before, If someone reps you. You rep them back. It's a way of saying thanks. Shouldn't be against the rules at all.

You'd think that being an active member for 2 years, purchasing 3 years worth of vip and being a forum moderator for 8 months aswell as being (assistant) articles manager, rare values reporter, theme park staff and a load of other stuff they would treat me with a little respect.

We did go over that via PM, two or three of those got bunched in with the rest, and we agreed that a bunch were pointless, there are some we still disagree on, but he did say it was against the rules, just that he didn't agree that it *should* be against the rules, which is a different issue. I did treat you with respect, in that wasn't rude or attacked you personally. However, when it comes to enforcing the rules, everyone gets treated on the same level. For example, people who donate to the police department aren't allowed a shorter sentence for murder or robbery. (Of course, murder or robbery is more serious in a fashion, however when you consider it, its about equal when you realize the scope of things you can actually do on here.)


If Repping back is pointless why do the managment let so many people have it in there sig, and why does it say when you rep someone ' maybe you'll get some in return '

We don't, there's a specific rule against it, and we enforce it. I'd know, its the #1 thing I infract or warn staff members for, as a matter of fact I removed two today. I'd show you them for proof, but that's a breach of privacy :P


Also they shouldnt stop you from pointless +repping, i mean -repping ok cause they have to deal with it, but they shouldnt have to care about +reps

We care about it as people complain about how ridiculous the system is getting. And it is getting ridiculous, especially with the rulebreaking. Reputation related issues are becoming a huge part of the rulebreaking we have to deal with. Thus it directly affects our ability to deal with other matters, because we spend so much time dealing with these rep threads.


Mad told me reps that say Good post are allowed. So yep

Also, I posted reps to users saying good posts, apparently I am abusing it.

Its taken in context as well, if you rep someone who says "20 rep to 18 power!!" saying Good Post, the moderators *are* human and have the ability to recognize that it was, of course, pointless.


Exactly. They don't do anything about that and my signature is even asking people not to rep me in a way, yet I'm the one that gets a warning. Did anyone else recieve one of these pms?

You were not the only one.



Nvrspk4 or what ever his name is has a grudge on me because I complained about him to Habbox, Of course... I got no email replies or pm's

There all best buds and they proberly laugh at us.

I honestly don't mean to make fun of you or attempt to insult you or anything, I'm asking this in complete honesty, but what issue are you talking about? I get contacted about so many things, polite and not, so I don't really assosciate it to a specific member. And I don't hold grudges either ;) There was someone that I severely disliked, but they had a good application, I hired them, and they became an Assistant Manager. If I held a grudge against everyone that said something rude to me, or did something I disliked, I would hate half of Habbox. So I've learned to bear the grudge for two days and forget about it, plus, by then I probably have some other hate-thread from a member of staff I infracted :D


I don't think nvr holds grudges because hes always been a cool guy to me and then I suddenly got that pm from him. I guess hes only doing his job but it is a rather silly reason to ban me really.

We really don't want to have to ban for rep. Trust me, like we *REALLY* don't. Its a last alternative. You'll probably get an infraction before a ban. But putting it in the PM is a wakeup call, and like I said, you're not the only one who got it. And thanks :)


i've given up reporting Reps... they stopped removing my - ones a while ago, i'd report the same ones each day and nothing would ever happen, one rep randomly just called me a noob! and didn't get removed, now they are off the 'latest 10' and have been for some time so i no longer care, i'm happy to take the pointless - rep as i now its pointless and i'll get plus rep from my posts which people agree with.

I think staff don't like people who kick up a Fuss, but without someone moaning would there ever be a change in the world.

We usually try to PM people with the reason it wasn't removed. At least I did, but to be fair on Josh, when I dealt with it, we had about 1/10 as many reports as he does now. Also, posts that don't follow the right format are instantly deleted.

We don't like people who kick up a fuss for personal benefit, but we learn to get past it. People who genuinely believe in what they're saying, and aren't doing it because they want something is different. And it doesn't mean I've classified you in the first group btw. I'm not even going to bother, because as soon as this is done and dusted, I'll just move on.


I usually get my reps taken off, also anyone know what "roshashanah" means?

Its the Jewish New Year which is today.


In Fairness nor do any of the Habbox Staff.

Infact at the momment i find myself online more then all visible staff.

I keep myself invisible, purely because sometimes I go away from my computer for a few hours and just hit switch user, when I go out with my friends or have a soccer game or something, and I don't want people to think I'm ignoring them when they PM me and see me online, because I try to deal with things in a timely fashion.


Unfair infractions, not answering to my email for a complaint, treating me unfairly and a phew selected others.

Infractions can be reported, the email man (Tomlegend) recently resigned, and you were treated the same way as others, which shows that it was fair across the board.




As for the VIP issue: Yes, we only did realize it now, because up until yesterday or two days ago, nobody thought to PM me about the issue, and posted it in relatively obscure threads where we could not realize. Only now when someone PMd me, then another, I realized that there was an issue, but I can't exactly take care of an issue when I don't know what's happening.



I wonder how many people will actually read that...xD

But hey, maybe the fact that I took the time to read and respond to all that will say something to the thread starters and their supporters saying we don't care nor work ;)

EDIT: HOLY CRUD that is WAY long!!!

[348GTS]

Takes time to trust people, if they quit someones not going to get their job right away.

And their not trying to make you feel less important their simply saying they go out unlike some people.

I trust anyone until I have a reason not to. I don't believe that HxF should go on this standard, but maybe sometimes close to it.

[Lycan]

Great that you've responded to some of the Major points i've picked out but there is still one i'd love to see your view on another one of my posts,

Sadly its been removed because it contained a quote from another member (which was ofcourse a Private message)

The point was that repping someone with the comment 'Good post' cannot be deemed pointless, as the person may of enjoyed the post or agreed with it, or perhaps it made them laugh yet Pycan appears to have 4 of theese on the list sent to him.

I also like that you have responded to my thoughts around the two forums as i've tried to keep the thread on track with the problems i feel are around the forum.

Perhaps an exchanging of roles would be an idea, if we think you arn't doing a good enough job relating to some aspects perhaps give thoose people a chance to do the job and ether feel the stress and problems you and/or other staff seem to have.



Edit:
When you say...


We don't like people who kick up a fuss for personal benefit, but we learn to get past it. People who genuinely believe in what they're saying, and aren't doing it because they want something is different. And it doesn't mean I've classified you in the first group btw. I'm not even going to bother, because as soon as this is done and dusted, I'll just move on.

Does that mean that nothing will come of this thread and you do see it as a 'fuss' or ....


Edit:
when you say

Its taken in context as well, if you rep someone who says "20 rep to 18 power!!" saying Good Post, the moderators *are* human and have the ability to recognize that it was, of course, pointless.


What if the rep was a 'owed' rep and that was the persons most recent thread as they coudn't search or find the one it was aimed for.



Edit:
When you say

Do you realize how ridiculous that is? If people in school weren't allowed to work here, I think we would have three members of staff. All members of staff would have to be paid, because not many adults will work for free on a Habbo fansite. Therefore a lot of our services will shut down. A lot. We can't even afford to pay like 3 normal salaries. 2,000 pounds a year, way below minimum wage? No way. Maybe one person. That's it. Most 17-19 year olds go to college.


My remark was for such vital jobs, and by school children i meant thoose in secondary school and not thoose in college/sixth form. as thoose in sixthform/college/uni who come to this forum have much more free time like myself and quite a few others. we arn't trying to say you don't do a good job we are trying to say perhaps someone with more time at a more mature level should be given a chance



Edit:
When you say:That's a fair question. A lot of it has to do with Habbo itself. Remember, the UK hotel was up far before the US hotel was. Therefore, some of us had all our friends on the UK hotel, and we never really made the switch over. Habbox UK is the big one, therefore the most competent staff rise to the top. I'm going to reveal a staff prejudice here, so I ask that all HxW staff don't get offended, because it doesn't apply to *everyone* :P Most of us are of the common consensus that the people who can't get jobs on here and really want to work for Habbox go there. Or, the favorite quote of management, "The ones who can't get power here go there." That being said, that has slowly filtered out, and a lot of the international management is highly capable. But in the past, when they were desperate to fill slots, people just moved over there and got into management without doing work. Since we have more candidates over here, its easier to weed out those who don't work and those who do. You're right, it does seem unnatural, but when you see it through from the beginning it makes some kind of sense :P


it does seem that even if you have more candidates on the UK forum they could easily be pushed to the US/CA/International forum as Habbox is one big family of sites (is it not?) perhaps pushing more US staff to work ether as a second job or primary job on a US timezone site might help. i say this in only to jobs that require responses quickly/ where member stress level could get higher from having to wait. on a lighter note i coudn't get a job on Habbox UK, so i tried Habbox International and managed to get a job but sadly did not agree with a few of the other staff members tatics and promotions (strange that i would argue, but i only argue when there is something i feel is out of place or unfair to others as well as myself)



and overall, if i had the Quote tags in the c+p i would of used them, but i did read all fo your post, Posted then edited over 10 minutes... fantastic.

[Galaxay1]

I trust anyone until I have a reason not to. I don't believe that HxF should go on this standard, but maybe sometimes close to it.

Then some newb trys to take over the forum and messes itup :rolleyes:

[Cixso]

Oh, lovely, another one of these :rolleyes:Indeed. :)


So let's start from the beginning. This entire thing is about reputation isn't it. Not a single bit is about the other issues you raised, its attacking me for removing a few pointless reputations you recieved and infracting you, is it? Ok fine, I will defend myself.The entire thread is all about the infractions, reputation, and bad management and anything else people have a problem about.


No, what we are saying is that when you haven't logged in for a week, we do not start a thread saying "OMG PYCAN / LYCAN HASN'T LOGGED IN FOR A WEEK OR CHECKED MY PM!!" because you don't need to defend yourself against that. Apparently we do. (Apologies in advance, I *am* going to mix Pycan and Lycan up.)Here is the first step of NRSKP4's immaturity. You don't need to post a thread on us because we are not staff members.


You recieved an infraction for a thread that is basically asking for pointless +rep. And returning all that rep in a pointless fashion.We asked for pointless rep?

Find the words, "Please give me reputation" then? In the spam section if you are talking about, The thread was aimed at LeftForDead for starting ana rgument asking why I had more reputation than him. Obviously because people trust me more and respect me more.




Where did I A) Flame you or B) Refuse to take constructive criticism? The only thing I did was posted a thread about the rampant pointless rep threads in the spam forum. You did not make any comments of constructive criticism that I saw.I would prove but the old Habbox Feedback threads have been deleted. Hmmm.


As far as I'm concerned, I treat everyone with as much respect as I can. Which is why I standardize infractions and I don't infract only some people, and additionally when someone reports something, I always deal with it instead of ignoring it (as is highly relavant to this case, the entire incident started with someone reporting the thread in question. No I will not tell you who.)It is weird how you gave me and Neversoft (I apologize if name isn't right) the same type of warning, yet I got a more serious infraction. Yet others didn't even receive one?! Why is it just us 2 when theres 100's of members that rep every day? I find it unfair, if you punish 1 or 2 punish them all. If it was people with 1 rep you wouldn't care, but because it is 43 rep you do care. Interesting.


I hope you're not talking about me, because I've never PMd you before, except for the automated infraction message. You have a right to complain (within the rules), of course, but by the same token, I have a right to defend myself.I put in a complaint about you 3 months ago I think ti is now. No reply... Makes me think that you are all besties and don't care what users think about you as your job is no threat... you are all loved mates.



That's actually my attempt at humor more than anything else, to make a serious thread a little more bearable. I can't actually make too much of a joke because it has to be serious, but if its completely boring and standard nobody reads it. Its strange, I agree, but I've come to learn that it works. Except I haven't actually said *that*Why not be professional and deal with it? This is a serious matter, you should not make it humorous,. Not one of you have replied saying yes, we will do something about it. Thank you. All you have done is defend your self.


You can always ask :) I for example just sorted permissions for four departments, added VIP, replied to 42 PMs (35 of which were sitting in my inbox when I logged in), dealt with a few complaints, dropped off some prizes, spent some time in HxHD, checked on the trialists, made sure we had events and had a discussion with another admin about policy. And today was a tame day. We all have a lot to do :) I love my jobs, which is why I do them, and I can still do them, but it does kind of irritate me when people accuse me of doing absolutely no work :rolleyes: (not you, I'm just kind of making my point after my response to your quote.)Words are 99% different. If one of your forum staff lie... it's got me thinking.


He's right, he did ask me, but that night a family emergency popped up, something I could not control, and as people have probably noticed, my activity was severely limited for a few days due to long nights and days. If you want us to be replaced every time we have a family emergency beyond our control, then half of Habbox would be fired by now.If habbox was in thew real working days, you would be fired now, so would 80% of habbox staff. Luckily... it isn't.


You were warned for pointless repping because people have complained about the system recently. When you are repping back just for rep, it is pointless. What would be allowed is going through the other person's posts, finding a genuinely good post, and repping them for *that*. Just putting "Good post" if the post is "yeah, I know" or "blahblah is trusted" will be deleted, because its quite obvious that you were covering up another post. But I think Chris and I have sorted out the problems he had with this. Like I said, I bear no ill will towards him, I actually thought and think he's a pretty decent guy, but I can't treat him differently than I would someone else in the same situation.Mad said "Good Post" is okay...?


Hey :),

You seem to have mis-understood what the reputation system is actually for. Its not to give points to your friends but rather to praise users for a good post/thread they have made that you like or agree with.

Thanks
MAD

EDIT:

So can I have my reputation that was unfairly removed back now please. :)

[---MAD---]

I trust anyone until I have a reason not to. I don't believe that HxF should go on this standard, but maybe sometimes close to it.
Yes but you are not giving them access to things people have spent hours making and organising ;).

We cannot randomly make anyone an administrator or manager because they have a lot of power and can destroy a department if we are not careful. Obviously we have backups to rely on but putting up a backup every day will annoy both staff and users at the same time.

[Boxiel]

Oh, lovely, another one of these :rolleyes:

So let's start from the beginning. This entire thing is about reputation isn't it. Not a single bit is about the other issues you raised, its attacking me for removing a few pointless reputations you recieved and infracting you, is it? Ok fine, I will defend myself.



No, what we are saying is that when you haven't logged in for a week, we do not start a thread saying "OMG PYCAN / LYCAN HASN'T LOGGED IN FOR A WEEK OR CHECKED MY PM!!" because you don't need to defend yourself against that. Apparently we do. (Apologies in advance, I *am* going to mix Pycan and Lycan up.)



You recieved an infraction for a thread that is basically asking for pointless +rep. And returning all that rep in a pointless fashion.



Where did I A) Flame you or B) Refuse to take constructive criticism? The only thing I did was posted a thread about the rampant pointless rep threads in the spam forum. You did not make any comments of constructive criticism that I saw.



:rolleyes:



As far as I'm concerned, I treat everyone with as much respect as I can. Which is why I standardize infractions and I don't infract only some people, and additionally when someone reports something, I always deal with it instead of ignoring it (as is highly relavant to this case, the entire incident started with someone reporting the thread in question. No I will not tell you who.)




I hope you're not talking about me, because I've never PMd you before, except for the automated infraction message. You have a right to complain (within the rules), of course, but by the same token, I have a right to defend myself.



That's actually my attempt at humor more than anything else, to make a serious thread a little more bearable. I can't actually make too much of a joke because it has to be serious, but if its completely boring and standard nobody reads it. Its strange, I agree, but I've come to learn that it works. Except I haven't actually said *that*



You can always ask :) I for example just sorted permissions for four departments, added VIP, replied to 42 PMs (35 of which were sitting in my inbox when I logged in), dealt with a few complaints, dropped off some prizes, spent some time in HxHD, checked on the trialists, made sure we had events and had a discussion with another admin about policy. And today was a tame day. We all have a lot to do :) I love my jobs, which is why I do them, and I can still do them, but it does kind of irritate me when people accuse me of doing absolutely no work :rolleyes: (not you, I'm just kind of making my point after my response to your quote.)



I replied to your PM...




That's a fair question. A lot of it has to do with Habbo itself. Remember, the UK hotel was up far before the US hotel was. Therefore, some of us had all our friends on the UK hotel, and we never really made the switch over. Habbox UK is the big one, therefore the most competent staff rise to the top. I'm going to reveal a staff prejudice here, so I ask that all HxW staff don't get offended, because it doesn't apply to *everyone* :P Most of us are of the common consensus that the people who can't get jobs on here and really want to work for Habbox go there. Or, the favorite quote of management, "The ones who can't get power here go there." That being said, that has slowly filtered out, and a lot of the international management is highly capable. But in the past, when they were desperate to fill slots, people just moved over there and got into management without doing work. Since we have more candidates over here, its easier to weed out those who don't work and those who do. You're right, it does seem unnatural, but when you see it through from the beginning it makes some kind of sense :P

NOTE: Most of the HxW staff currently are terrific at what they do. What I described above is mostly from the past, though its somewhat true now, because MOD jobs are so hard to come by here, a lot of people mod on the international Habbox.



As the desk closed and reopened, and the old management were lost, we did not know who were trialists and who weren't. We knew those who had permissions and who didn't. However we did post an activity thread, and we went based on those. The people who replied got in with the next wave. Looking through my PMs, the day you got VIP (7-18) and a seven day period after, I have no PMs about it. As you were saying?



Do you realize how ridiculous that is? If people in school weren't allowed to work here, I think we would have three members of staff. All members of staff would have to be paid, because not many adults will work for free on a Habbo fansite. Therefore a lot of our services will shut down. A lot. We can't even afford to pay like 3 normal salaries. 2,000 pounds a year, way below minimum wage? No way. Maybe one person. That's it. Most 17-19 year olds go to college.



For security reasons the number of admins are kept low. We also recently lost several management members, for example Tomlegend was great with stepping in wherever help is needed. MAD, myself, and J1MI could not take on his workload, because of the very thing you are complaining about, we don't take on more than we can chew, because we know it would affect our ability to provide services.



He's right, he did ask me, but that night a family emergency popped up, something I could not control, and as people have probably noticed, my activity was severely limited for a few days due to long nights and days. If you want us to be replaced every time we have a family emergency beyond our control, then half of Habbox would be fired by now.



Its actually true. Its difficult to do, but its something sierk, myself, and MAD have all taught ourselves to do. I have banned, infracted, and warned friends (yesterday included) because its my job, and I have to be unbiased. Unfortunately, some friends can't accept that I don't give favoritism when enforcing the rules, but I guess that shows who are true friends and who are just in it to suck up. Useful sort of, though its rather dissapointing when someone I liked turns out to be one of the suck up variety and not really a friend.




You were warned for pointless repping because people have complained about the system recently. When you are repping back just for rep, it is pointless. What would be allowed is going through the other person's posts, finding a genuinely good post, and repping them for *that*. Just putting "Good post" if the post is "yeah, I know" or "blahblah is trusted" will be deleted, because its quite obvious that you were covering up another post. But I think Chris and I have sorted out the problems he had with this. Like I said, I bear no ill will towards him, I actually thought and think he's a pretty decent guy, but I can't treat him differently than I would someone else in the same situation.



They do, we just haven't recieved payment.




We did go over that via PM, two or three of those got bunched in with the rest, and we agreed that a bunch were pointless, there are some we still disagree on, but he did say it was against the rules, just that he didn't agree that it *should* be against the rules, which is a different issue. I did treat you with respect, in that wasn't rude or attacked you personally. However, when it comes to enforcing the rules, everyone gets treated on the same level. For example, people who donate to the police department aren't allowed a shorter sentence for murder or robbery. (Of course, murder or robbery is more serious in a fashion, however when you consider it, its about equal when you realize the scope of things you can actually do on here.)



We don't, there's a specific rule against it, and we enforce it. I'd know, its the #1 thing I infract or warn staff members for, as a matter of fact I removed two today. I'd show you them for proof, but that's a breach of privacy :P



We care about it as people complain about how ridiculous the system is getting. And it is getting ridiculous, especially with the rulebreaking. Reputation related issues are becoming a huge part of the rulebreaking we have to deal with. Thus it directly affects our ability to deal with other matters, because we spend so much time dealing with these rep threads.



Its taken in context as well, if you rep someone who says "20 rep to 18 power!!" saying Good Post, the moderators *are* human and have the ability to recognize that it was, of course, pointless.



You were not the only one.




I honestly don't mean to make fun of you or attempt to insult you or anything, I'm asking this in complete honesty, but what issue are you talking about? I get contacted about so many things, polite and not, so I don't really assosciate it to a specific member. And I don't hold grudges either ;) There was someone that I severely disliked, but they had a good application, I hired them, and they became an Assistant Manager. If I held a grudge against everyone that said something rude to me, or did something I disliked, I would hate half of Habbox. So I've learned to bear the grudge for two days and forget about it, plus, by then I probably have some other hate-thread from a member of staff I infracted :D



We really don't want to have to ban for rep. Trust me, like we *REALLY* don't. Its a last alternative. You'll probably get an infraction before a ban. But putting it in the PM is a wakeup call, and like I said, you're not the only one who got it. And thanks :)



We usually try to PM people with the reason it wasn't removed. At least I did, but to be fair on Josh, when I dealt with it, we had about 1/10 as many reports as he does now. Also, posts that don't follow the right format are instantly deleted.

We don't like people who kick up a fuss for personal benefit, but we learn to get past it. People who genuinely believe in what they're saying, and aren't doing it because they want something is different. And it doesn't mean I've classified you in the first group btw. I'm not even going to bother, because as soon as this is done and dusted, I'll just move on.



Its the Jewish New Year which is today.



I keep myself invisible, purely because sometimes I go away from my computer for a few hours and just hit switch user, when I go out with my friends or have a soccer game or something, and I don't want people to think I'm ignoring them when they PM me and see me online, because I try to deal with things in a timely fashion.



Infractions can be reported, the email man (Tomlegend) recently resigned, and you were treated the same way as others, which shows that it was fair across the board.




As for the VIP issue: Yes, we only did realize it now, because up until yesterday or two days ago, nobody thought to PM me about the issue, and posted it in relatively obscure threads where we could not realize. Only now when someone PMd me, then another, I realized that there was an issue, but I can't exactly take care of an issue when I don't know what's happening.



I wonder how many people will actually read that...xD

But hey, maybe the fact that I took the time to read and respond to all that will say something to the thread starters and their supporters saying we don't care nor work ;)

EDIT: HOLY CRUD that is WAY long!!!

Owned... lol

[Lycan]

Owned... lol


How exactly is that owned, he managed to get two long messages in return from both me and Danny... please do not spam this thread. we want someone to take notice of the problems not ignore it because its been spamed with your posts.

[Boxiel]

How exactly is that owned, he managed to get two long messages in return from both me and Danny... please do not spam this thread. we want someone to take notice of the problems not ignore it because its been spamed with your posts.

Your "problems" have been resolved, and answered repeatedly. fnx

[Lycan]

Your "problems" have been resolved, and answered repeatedly. fnx


I don't see where, as after the long post you so happily quoted above there were two posts which argued and questioned certain points of it.


Stop trying to spam the thread, all the other 'Problem' threads (as you so put it) ended up getting spammed then closed or the users banned for getting abusive towards staff, This time i don't want that to happen

[Boxiel]

I don't see where, as after the long post you so happily quoted above there were two posts which argued and questioned certain points of it.


Stop trying to spam the thread, all the other 'Problem' threads (as you so put it) ended up getting spammed then closed or the users banned for getting abusive towards staff, This time i don't want that to happen


No one's spamming love, Just getting involved, as we are allowed to :)

[Cixso]

Your "problems" have been resolved, and answered repeatedly. fnx

Ok then, what did he solve? As he solved the problem? No, all he has done is defend hims elf.



No one's spamming love, Just getting involved, as we are allowed to :)

You are spamming.

-Rep.

[Lycan]

No one's spamming love, Just getting involved, as we are allowed to :)

You are indeed Spammng, you are involved as far as you placed your posts in this thread rather then a Spam forum.

Posting 'Owned' was not helpful in any respect and i can only assume you are doing it to ether annoy me and the other members who want something to happen and you want to block progress with pointless spam.


If you continue to argue against us in the eyes of Habbox it will be deemed as a fight and this thread will be closed. do you really want to be immature enough to do that?

[Boxiel]

You are indeed Spammng, you are involved as far as you placed your posts in this thread rather then a Spam forum.

Posting 'Owned' was not helpful in any respect and i can only assume you are doing it to ether annoy me and the other members who want something to happen and you want to block progress with pointless spam.


If you continue to argue against us in the eyes of Habbox it will be deemed as a fight and this thread will be closed. do you really want to be immature enough to do that?


Ok then, what did he solve? As he solved the problem? No, all he has done is defend hims elf.



You are spamming.

-Rep.


Reading through this thread, im starting to see why nvrspk is getting annoyed, it seems to be you two messing around, and making up crap, just to get noticed, and abusing your rep.

and lol at "Deemed a fight"

[Lycan]

Reading through this thread, im starting to see why nvrspk is getting annoyed, it seems to be you two messing around, and making up crap, just to get noticed, and abusing your rep.

and lol at "Deemed a fight"


Since i've been on this forum alot of threads like this one that were serrious to start with ended up in 'fights' and were closed, i say deemed a fight because that was the edit giving to such threads.

Nvrspk if he is getting annoyed we are sorry, but we want our questions awnsered... he can delete the thread , Ban us but the problems will remain and one day when you get a problem and no one is supporting you... you'll just have think... 'oops'

We are not abusing our rep, this thread is about more then Rep (Random as Nvrspk says its all about rep at the top of his long thread but then continues to awnser questions and posts which arn't related to reputation at all). If you are recieving - Rep from the posts you are makng, perhaps it is the content of the threads people are disagreeing with inwhich case it might be wise to stop


I expect Pycan to respond to your thread as well, but after that any post you make will be ignored by myself unless i personally don't feel its SPAM like your other posts.

[Cixso]

Reading through this thread, im starting to see why nvrspk is getting annoyed, it seems to be you two messing around, and making up crap, just to get noticed, and abusing your rep.

and lol at "Deemed a fight"

Messing around?

Look back, many other users agree with us. All the staff has done is only defend them selves. Not one has said thank you for the feedback and we will try and solve it.

[Boxiel]

I see nothing wrong with the management on this forum, and that my honest opinion.. If they have other things to do, in real life, then that should always come before the forum, and it isnt just a case of "passing the job on" nvr does a good job, on every aspect, he is in charge of alot of things on this forum, but if you can find someone better.. then please, show me.
Not one has said thank you for the feedback and we will try and solve it.

That is true I guess.

Edited by Nick- (Forum Super Moderator): Posts merged. Please be careful not to double post in future.

[Cixso]

I see nothing wrong with the management on this forum, and that my honest opinion.. If they have other things to do, in real life, then that should always come before the forum, and it isnt just a case of "passing the job on" nvr does a good job, on every aspect, he is in charge of alot of things on this forum, but if you can find someone better.. then please, show me.


I find it funny how you say we abuse rep, yet you buy it, it makes me lol.

Also finally, somebody agrees with the staff not being professional perhaps?

[Lycan]

I see nothing wrong with the management on this forum, and that my honest opinion.. If they have other things to do, in real life, then that should always come before the forum, and it isnt just a case of "passing the job on" nvr does a good job, on every aspect, he is in charge of alot of things on this forum, but if you can find someone better.. then please, show me.



We havn't said that nvr should be replaced or moved on. although i'm happy you're finally reviewing some of the posts in this thread its still clear you are making up information to bias the thread, making it appear that we want Key Good staff of this forum removed from there job.

We have on the otherhand suggested that member who the staff believe moan about them to 'swap' jobs for a small period to ether confirm the problem given by the 'moaning' member or to show what a good job the staff member does.

[Boxiel]

We havn't said that nvr should be replaced or moved on. although i'm happy you're finally reviewing some of the posts in this thread its still clear you are making up information to bias the thread, making it appear that we want Key Good staff of this forum removed from there job.

We have on the otherhand suggested that member who the staff believe moan about them to 'swap' jobs for a small period to ether confirm the problem given by the 'moaning' member or to show what a good job the staff member does.


I was using nvr as a example, Sorry lol, If you have a problem with a certain member of staff, lacking at their job, why dont you try contacting the department mananger? it might save a thread like this.

[Lycan]

I was using nvr as a example, Sorry lol, If you have a problem with a certain member of staff, lacking at their job, why dont you try contacting the department mananger? it might save a thread like this.

A simple read of the thread and my last post would show that we don't have a problem with certain managers or staff members and the area of my last posted about 'swapping' was for thoose members in this thread who have specificly mentioned VIP and REP.

I on the otherhand have no problem with Specific members.

A Simple read would save a post like that

[Cixso]

I was using nvr as a example, Sorry lol, If you have a problem with a certain member of staff, lacking at their job, why dont you try contacting the department mananger? it might save a thread like this.

I made a complaint last time. It ended up with nrskp4 calling me a child and I needed to grow up for complaining.

Funny how it doesn't exist no more.

Thats why I don't bother PM'ing them, would rather do it here as it's feedback and gets many other users involved.

[Boxiel]

I made a complaint last time. It ended up with nrskp4 calling me a child and I needed to grow up for complaining.

Funny how it doesn't exist no more.

Thats why I don't bother PM'ing them, would rather do it here as it's feedback and gets many other users involved.

Thats really bad :(

[Cixso]

Thats really bad :(

It is, I was VIP at the time, I even said I would never get VIP again. Stuck by my word.

Thats why I despise nrskp4.

[nvrspk4]

I'm going to cut off the parts that weren't disputing, just to stop this from being too massive, as I have several quotes, but please don't take this to mean that I am trying to downplay those elements. I appreciate you are trying to be mature in this, it makes it easier to have a discussion rather than an argument.


The point was that repping someone with the comment 'Good post' cannot be deemed pointless, as the person may of enjoyed the post or agreed with it, or perhaps it made them laugh yet Pycan appears to have 4 of theese on the list sent to him.

There are some posts that recieve pointless rep saying "Good post". Let me give you one example. A *CERTAIN MEMBER* gave another member a reputation for a post saying "qtylo safe" or something like that. The member was not involved in the trade etc. etc. Its quite obvious that its a bad attempt to avoid the rules :P One thing I like to stress, we are not robots, so we have the ability of judgement. We will look into something, and we have the prerogative to decide if something was genuine.


Perhaps an exchanging of roles would be an idea, if we think you arn't doing a good enough job relating to some aspects perhaps give thoose people a chance to do the job and ether feel the stress and problems you and/or other staff seem to have.

No offense intended, but there is no way on earth that we will give some member the powers myself, or MAD, or Joshuar has, just to prove a point. We have a large amount of access to the site, of course MAD and Sierk have more, but it would be greatly endangering the site to sort of just *give* the powers we hold to anyone that could not be 100% trusted.


Edit:
When you say...

We don't like people who kick up a fuss for personal benefit, but we learn to get past it. People who genuinely believe in what they're saying, and aren't doing it because they want something is different. And it doesn't mean I've classified you in the first group btw. I'm not even going to bother, because as soon as this is done and dusted, I'll just move on.

Does that mean that nothing will come of this thread and you do see it as a 'fuss' or ....

No, what I meant was that once this gets resolved, by either a resolution or deciding that the matter was irrelevant, I won't hold grudges, and in future threads thing "That durned Lycan, he disagreed with me!" I was attempting to convey that I didn't hold grudges for people disagreeing with me. I welcome mature debate. That is to say, death threats and racist PMs are well beyond where the line is drawn :rolleyes: Though its rather ridiculous to get death threats over the forum.



Edit:
when you say

Its taken in context as well, if you rep someone who says "20 rep to 18 power!!" saying Good Post, the moderators *are* human and have the ability to recognize that it was, of course, pointless.


What if the rep was a 'owed' rep and that was the persons most recent thread as they coudn't search or find the one it was aimed for.

What would a member "owe" a rep for exactly? Its easy enough to find the thread, if you rack your brains and find a few keywords that you know were in there. Or you could ask the person for the thread. Alternatively, you could find a legitimately good post and rep them for that instead.



Edit:
When you say

Do you realize how ridiculous that is? If people in school weren't allowed to work here, I think we would have three members of staff. All members of staff would have to be paid, because not many adults will work for free on a Habbo fansite. Therefore a lot of our services will shut down. A lot. We can't even afford to pay like 3 normal salaries. 2,000 pounds a year, way below minimum wage? No way. Maybe one person. That's it. Most 17-19 year olds go to college.


My remark was for such vital jobs, and by school children i meant thoose in secondary school and not thoose in college/sixth form. as thoose in sixthform/college/uni who come to this forum have much more free time like myself and quite a few others. we arn't trying to say you don't do a good job we are trying to say perhaps someone with more time at a more mature level should be given a chance.

There are several reasons why that can't be done. First of all, we can't have that mindset. Can't, we just can't do it. While we treat everyone not caring about age, we *still* get complaints about how you are treated like two year olds, for swearing and insulting. We don't want to create an environment where older people are looking down on younger people. Especially as the target market is younger people. And I disagree that older is a mature level. Half the older members are incredibly immature. There was once a 27 year old on here who was more immature than an 11 year old member of staff. No I will not name names. We do not, and will not discriminate based on age, its how you can do the job. Plus, older people are more likely to cop out earlier, and have to concentrate on college, or decide they have to "move on" from Habbox.



Edit:
When you say:That's a fair question. A lot of it has to do with Habbo itself. Remember, the UK hotel was up far before the US hotel was. Therefore, some of us had all our friends on the UK hotel, and we never really made the switch over. Habbox UK is the big one, therefore the most competent staff rise to the top. I'm going to reveal a staff prejudice here, so I ask that all HxW staff don't get offended, because it doesn't apply to *everyone* :P Most of us are of the common consensus that the people who can't get jobs on here and really want to work for Habbox go there. Or, the favorite quote of management, "The ones who can't get power here go there." That being said, that has slowly filtered out, and a lot of the international management is highly capable. But in the past, when they were desperate to fill slots, people just moved over there and got into management without doing work. Since we have more candidates over here, its easier to weed out those who don't work and those who do. You're right, it does seem unnatural, but when you see it through from the beginning it makes some kind of sense :P


it does seem that even if you have more candidates on the UK forum they could easily be pushed to the US/CA/International forum as Habbox is one big family of sites (is it not?) perhaps pushing more US staff to work ether as a second job or primary job on a US timezone site might help. i say this in only to jobs that require responses quickly/ where member stress level could get higher from having to wait. on a lighter note i coudn't get a job on Habbox UK, so i tried Habbox International and managed to get a job but sadly did not agree with a few of the other staff members tatics and promotions (strange that i would argue, but i only argue when there is something i feel is out of place or unfair to others as well as myself)

The thing is, now that we are making a legitimate push for the popularity of those sites, the people there need to have that as a primary thing. There were times where most of the staff there were also staff of UK, and then that forum was neglected. Also, the few jobs that involve member stress levels (Super Mods / Admins to respond, VIPs Managers to set up) for the most part there are Americans or Canadians in place. Tactics I can't say anything about, but the promotions...well, when you have limited staff, sometimes the strangest people get up high. I have more than once gaped at Joshuar when he asked me to set up a new international manager. Once again, a number of them (and nearly all of the current) are very competent. And I like them :D



and overall, if i had the Quote tags in the c+p i would of used them, but i did read all fo your post, Posted then edited over 10 minutes... fantastic.

No worries, it made it easier for me to respond, I didn't have to recopy the embedded quotes.


Indeed. :)

The entire thread is all about the infractions, reputation, and bad management and anything else people have a problem about.

Very broad. So...basically its an attempt to make an assault on me from all sides because of some personal vendetta that I am *still* not aware of and focusing on the actual issue only so long as it manages to damage me in some way? Cool :)


Here is the first step of NRSKP4's immaturity. You don't need to post a thread on us because we are not staff members.

Do you get an innate pleasure in spelling my name wrong? If it makes you feel cool, then alright, I guess. Its neverspeakfour, just take out the vowels :) On the contrary, it really shows your immaturity. I didn't post a thread on you did I, vice versa actually. Honestly, this isn't about forum issues. This is about a personal vendetta. Your friend above, Lycan (?) posted in a calm, thoughtful, and respectful manner, and therefore I respect him (I hope its a him, sorry if its not!!) the same way, and actually give him responses with equal gravity. Why not try it?


We asked for pointless rep?

Find the words, "Please give me reputation" then? In the spam section if you are talking about, The thread was aimed at LeftForDead for starting ana rgument asking why I had more reputation than him. Obviously because people trust me more and respect me more.

Err ok, I will quote you. Here is where you (indirectly I suppose, but its as close as you can get to directly without saying "REP ME!!") asked for rep.



Hmm, I never asked for my VIP rep either. :)

Shows what respect can get you Liam. :)

I have 406 REP now. Aiming for 500!

Edited by opensourcehost (Forum Super Moderator): Please do not open threads aimed to continue arguments/fighting. Thread closed.

So...as you were saying? And also, that's a fundamental problem with the reputation system. People abuse it, and then classify it as trust and respect. If you *really* wanted me to, I could go through your rep since you registered and find out how many are pointless, and how many you earned. But I won't do that, because it wouldn't be nice, and it might make you embarassed, which is not what I'm out to do, despite what you may think :)


I would prove but the old Habbox Feedback threads have been deleted. Hmmm.

No they have not. Threads are not ever deleted. The only things ever deleted are the posts on the pointless reputations thread. Can you at least give me a situation or a general overview, before making false and largely offensive claims?


It is weird how you gave me and Neversoft (I apologize if name isn't right) the same type of warning, yet I got a more serious infraction. Yet others didn't even receive one?! Why is it just us 2 when theres 100's of members that rep every day? I find it unfair, if you punish 1 or 2 punish them all. If it was people with 1 rep you wouldn't care, but because it is 43 rep you do care. Interesting.

You got a more serious warning, because in addition to the reps, you posted a pointless rep thread. Neversoft repped, but did not post a pointless rep thread. A few others have been warned, they're just not making a fuss. If I only cared about 43 rep, why would I have infracted you?



I put in a complaint about you 3 months ago I think ti is now. No reply... Makes me think that you are all besties and don't care what users think about you as your job is no threat... you are all loved mates.

Rofl. I have fired friends before. And don't hesitate to think for a moment that if I did something bad, MAD would warn me. Its quite evident that what I did was in accordance with the rules, or simply wasn't problematic. We're not all "loved mates". And our jobs are threats, constantly, so we can't even act without general consensus, just because if it offends *one* member, and we're out on a limb, they set up a fuss. So really, by doing this constantly, all you do is effectively curb our ability to make changes. Because it has to go through everrrryone before we can do this. Making it take longer and get shot down along the way.


Why not be professional and deal with it? This is a serious matter, you should not make it humorous,. Not one of you have replied saying yes, we will do something about it. Thank you. All you have done is defend your self.

We have not said "Yes we will do something about it" for a simple reason. We are debating the issue itself. In that, we are saying that it is not an issue, and are trying to explain why. If you'll forgive me for saying so, (which you probably won't) what I did was entirely within my guidelines and what you did was entirely against the rules. So why should something be done if the correct procedure was followed?


Words are 99% different. If one of your forum staff lie... it's got me thinking.

Our forum staff lie?


If habbox was in thew real working days, you would be fired now, so would 80% of habbox staff. Luckily... it isn't.

Buddy, if Habbox was the real working days, then I would have been granted emergency leave, because I would have had a telephone to call in as opposed to the lack of a laptop on a car ride. Additionally, no I wouldn't have been fired. Also, this is a volunteer job, why do you think we do it? If we were getting paid, the circumstances would be slightly different. Some staff would be fired. But don't delude yourself thinking we'd be all gone. The difference would be that we wouldn't say a thing to you, if this was the business world, MAD would say "We'll look into it" and you'd never hear a word about it again. So maybe you're lucky this isn't :)


Mad said "Good Post" is okay...?

Yes, but he was assuming that you actually *meant* it, as opposed to using it to obviously circumvent something. A post that is opinionated, deploys a point, and makes it well, is one thing. If you repped a post that's pointless, or obviously not a post that you're repping for your agreement with it (ie: a post about their day) we will remove it. MAD was just being trusting and assuming that it wouldn't be abused :P


EDIT:

So can I have my reputation that was unfairly removed back now please. :)

Sure you can. You can have back the reputation that was unfairly removed. Therefore your reputation will stay as is. Thanks :)


Messing around?

Look back, many other users agree with us. All the staff has done is only defend them selves. Not one has said thank you for the feedback and we will try and solve it.

I replied to this above.


We havn't said that nvr should be replaced or moved on. although i'm happy you're finally reviewing some of the posts in this thread its still clear you are making up information to bias the thread, making it appear that we want Key Good staff of this forum removed from there job.

We have on the otherhand suggested that member who the staff believe moan about them to 'swap' jobs for a small period to ether confirm the problem given by the 'moaning' member or to show what a good job the staff member does.

No offense, once again, but a member who "moans" certainly would not be given access to the database or the admin panel. It makes no security sense. I mean if you really wanted I could spam your inbox with all the PMs I get in a day...but then again that's against the rules without consent, so maybe I won't, as there are confidential complaints there that I deal with as well :P


I made a complaint last time. It ended up with nrskp4 calling me a child and I needed to grow up for complaining.

Funny how it doesn't exist no more.

Thats why I don't bother PM'ing them, would rather do it here as it's feedback and gets many other users involved.

The last time I called someone a child and told them to grow up a little, is when a member PMd me about a *valid* -rep, and they told me, word for word, that it made them cry at night, and they were entirely serious. I was a little more firm than I should have been, but circumstances warranted it. You could give me a general subject, and I could try and hunt it down. Right now you have no basis to the claim that I was ever rude for you. And no, I don't believe that. You put it here so you can create more of a scene.


It is, I was VIP at the time, I even said I would never get VIP again. Stuck by my word.

Thats why I despise nrskp4.

So is that acknowledgement that this thread is aimed more at taking personal shots at me than *actually* getting something done for the good of HabboxForum?

I welcome your responses Pycan, but if and only if you can get past the obviously posessing hatred that as far as I know has no cause, and post about the actual conditions instead of attacking me from every angle that you can :)

[Cixso]

I'm going to cut off the parts that weren't disputing, just to stop this from being too massive, as I have several quotes, but please don't take this to mean that I am trying to downplay those elements. I appreciate you are trying to be mature in this, it makes it easier to have a discussion rather than an argument.Agreed.

There are some posts that recieve pointless rep saying "Good post". Let me give you one example. A *CERTAIN MEMBER* gave another member a reputation for a post saying "qtylo safe" or something like that. The member was not involved in the trade etc. etc. Its quite obvious that its a bad attempt to avoid the rules :P One thing I like to stress, we are not robots, so we have the ability of judgement. We will look into something, and we have the prerogative to decide if something was genuine.



No offense intended, but there is no way on earth that we will give some member the powers myself, or MAD, or Joshuar has, just to prove a point. We have a large amount of access to the site, of course MAD and Sierk have more, but it would be greatly endangering the site to sort of just *give* the powers we hold to anyone that could not be 100% trusted.And there are some who give people +rep for a good post. Which is intent for that good post.

You have to take risks to progress... How else can you expect Habbox Forum to last? You can not be right every time.


No, what I meant was that once this gets resolved, by either a resolution or deciding that the matter was irrelevant, I won't hold grudges, and in future threads thing "That durned Lycan, he disagreed with me!" I was attempting to convey that I didn't hold grudges for people disagreeing with me. I welcome mature debate. That is to say, death threats and racist PMs are well beyond where the line is drawn :rolleyes: Though its rather ridiculous to get death threats over the forum.People who death threat should be banned on the spot in my opinion. So should racist as that is 100% out of order. It is nice that there hasn't been any... how can I put this... "extremely young school children who are very immature".



What would a member "owe" a rep for exactly? Its easy enough to find the thread, if you rack your brains and find a few keywords that you know were in there. Or you could ask the person for the thread. Alternatively, you could find a legitimately good post and rep them for that instead.You can owe a person good reputatiopn or minus for example; if they make a thread about you saying your a load of ... you are obviously going to remember and once able -REP them for it. Same with the +REP.


Very broad. So...basically its an attempt to make an assault on me from all sides because of some personal vendetta that I am *still* not aware of and focusing on the actual issue only so long as it manages to damage me in some way? Cool :)You don't read well do you. It's aimed at a certain group of managers/staff who are lazy and do not do there job properly.


Do you get an innate pleasure in spelling my name wrong? If it makes you feel cool, then alright, I guess. Its neverspeakfour, just take out the vowels :) On the contrary, it really shows your immaturity. I didn't post a thread on you did I, vice versa actually. Honestly, this isn't about forum issues. This is about a personal vendetta. Your friend above, Lycan (?) posted in a calm, thoughtful, and respectful manner, and therefore I respect him (I hope its a him, sorry if its not!!) the same way, and actually give him responses with equal gravity. Why not try it?I love it how you turned it around to aim it at me. User name mistakes are easily done and that does not define how immature you are now does it? Yes, I get pleasure from it... :rolleyes:


Err ok, I will quote you. Here is where you (indirectly I suppose, but its as close as you can get to directly without saying "REP ME!!") asked for rep.So if you are going to do this to a selection of people, do it to them all? I;m very sure 80% of users has had Aiming for x rep! My target of x rep is almost there!

Are you going to do that? No? Why not? Because "It takes time" am I right?

Yes?

So you decide to just pick on a phew and ignore the rest? You treat us unfairly.


So...as you were saying? And also, that's a fundamental problem with the reputation system. People abuse it, and then classify it as trust and respect. If you *really* wanted me to, I could go through your rep since you registered and find out how many are pointless, and how many you earned. But I won't do that, because it wouldn't be nice, and it might make you embarassed, which is not what I'm out to do, despite what you may think :)Sure you can, but then you will need to go through everybody else reputation as you are just picking on one user. How is this fair?


No they have not. Threads are not ever deleted. The only things ever deleted are the posts on the pointless reputations thread. Can you at least give me a situation or a general overview, before making false and largely offensive claims?
Ok, the thread was called VIP complaint or something along the lines. Could retreat it to prove my point?


Rofl. I have fired friends before. And don't hesitate to think for a moment that if I did something bad, MAD would warn me. Its quite evident that what I did was in accordance with the rules, or simply wasn't problematic. We're not all "loved mates". And our jobs are threats, constantly, so we can't even act without general consensus, just because if it offends *one* member, and we're out on a limb, they set up a fuss. So really, by doing this constantly, all you do is effectively curb our ability to make changes. Because it has to go through everrrryone before we can do this. Making it take longer and get shot down along the way.How come I never received a reply? Nothing?



We have not said "Yes we will do something about it" for a simple reason. We are debating the issue itself. In that, we are saying that it is not an issue, and are trying to explain why. If you'll forgive me for saying so, (which you probably won't) what I did was entirely within my guidelines and what you did was entirely against the rules. So why should something be done if the correct procedure was followed?Shows how professional you are. Instead of debating with your own users who make your forum work, you argue back with them. A simple, Thank you for this, perhaps you could go into more detail and we will resolve or try to resolve the issue. The thread would pretty much be over.


Our forum staff lie? Go back a phew pages.


Buddy, if Habbox was the real working days, then I would have been granted emergency leave, because I would have had a telephone to call in as opposed to the lack of a laptop on a car ride. Additionally, no I wouldn't have been fired. Also, this is a volunteer job, why do you think we do it? If we were getting paid, the circumstances would be slightly different. Some staff would be fired. But don't delude yourself thinking we'd be all gone. The difference would be that we wouldn't say a thing to you, if this was the business world, MAD would say "We'll look into it" and you'd never hear a word about it again. So maybe you're lucky this isn't :)I like it when MAD replies, a perfect piece of professional vocabulary and statement. Exactly what I look for.


Yes, but he was assuming that you actually *meant* it, as opposed to using it to obviously circumvent something. A post that is opinionated, deploys a point, and makes it well, is one thing. If you repped a post that's pointless, or obviously not a post that you're repping for your agreement with it (ie: a post about their day) we will remove it. MAD was just being trusting and assuming that it wouldn't be abused :PI did mean it...? Read the post and the thread the certain rep was given for... You removed it unfairly, so is it going to be put back for your own mistake?


The last time I called someone a child and told them to grow up a little, is when a member PMd me about a *valid* -rep, and they told me, word for word, that it made them cry at night, and they were entirely serious. I was a little more firm than I should have been, but circumstances warranted it. You could give me a general subject, and I could try and hunt it down. Right now you have no basis to the claim that I was ever rude for you. And no, I don't believe that. You put it here so you can create more of a scene.I put it here because more users get in the known, and users can then find out if Habbox management are going to do anything about it.


So is that acknowledgement that this thread is aimed more at taking personal shots at me than *actually* getting something done for the good of HabboxForum?Stop thinking about your self! This thread is for a certain group of staff!

So on the other hand, what are habbox forum going to do about it?

Anything?

So far we have covered:

Laziness, Reputation problems, Infraction problems, Staff telling users to grow up, unanswered complaints and emails. EDIT: And staff excuses for not doing there job.

Plus anything else people might want to add. :)

[le harry]

are u kiddin
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half ur discussions in 1 post are longer then my school essays :(

[Cixso]

are u kiddin
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half ur discussions in 1 post are longer then my school essays :(

Lol :P

There is allot to discuss :P

[nvrspk4]

And there are some who give people +rep for a good post. Which is intent for that good post.

And those will stay.


You have to take risks to progress... How else can you expect Habbox Forum to last? You can not be right every time.

We take calculated risks, not just blind risks. Though I don't see how we're taking a risk right now...


People who death threat should be banned on the spot in my opinion. So should racist as that is 100% out of order. It is nice that there hasn't been any... how can I put this... "extremely young school children who are very immature".

I don't ban people who personally insult me. I have another admin deal with it to prevent bias. And the member(s) in question were 17, 16, and 19.


You can owe a person good reputatiopn or minus for example; if they make a thread about you saying your a load of ... you are obviously going to remember and once able -REP them for it. Same with the +REP.

So look for an appropriate post or thread, or use the search button, and then give it to them. Or PM yourself a link to the thread, and you can rep them once you have spread. But *DO NOT* rep 10 people saying "spreading so I can rep someone again" that will get you in trouble.


You don't read well do you. It's aimed at a certain group of managers/staff who are lazy and do not do there job properly.

Such as...



So if you are going to do this to a selection of people, do it to them all? I;m very sure 80% of users has had Aiming for x rep! My target of x rep is almost there!

Are you going to do that? No? Why not? Because "It takes time" am I right?

Yes?

No actually. We do it on an "as reported" basis, because we can't comb every thread, though we try, and we catch some that way too. The thread you posted was reported by personal message to me. That is why I dealt with it. If you wish to PM me any threads that are the same, I will gladly deal with them for you :)


So you decide to just pick on a phew and ignore the rest? You treat us unfairly.

No, if you PMd me a link to another like thread, I would deal with that as well.


Sure you can, but then you will need to go through everybody else reputation as you are just picking on one user. How is this fair?

We do it, as I said, on an as-reported basis, or as what we can find. If you want to report someone, we will sort it.


Ok, the thread was called VIP complaint or something along the lines. Could retreat it to prove my point?

A search for the thread title VIP Complaint with the username Pycan yields 0 results.


How come I never received a reply? Nothing?

Probably because your report held no water?


Shows how professional you are. Instead of debating with your own users who make your forum work, you argue back with them. A simple, Thank you for this, perhaps you could go into more detail and we will resolve or try to resolve the issue. The thread would pretty much be over.

Incorrect. We debate with the users who talk to us in a civil fashion. Instead of the ones who yell at us with pure hatred in their eyes. Also, you go back on your own point. You want us to debate it, but then you ask us to give in instead. The point I am trying to make is that while we fully listen to and evaluate every suggestion, we do not agree with, or accept all of them. This is one of the latter. The complaint does not hold water.


Go back a phew pages.

There are 14 pages and a lot of staff that posted here. How am I supposed to know which is the lie?


I like it when MAD replies, a perfect piece of professional vocabulary and statement. Exactly what I look for.

Correct, he doesn't argue, but does he do anything when the complaint holds no water?


I did mean it...? Read the post and the thread the certain rep was given for... You removed it unfairly, so is it going to be put back for your own mistake?

Do you check the accusations that you make? Was the rep removed? If so, was it a legitimate post, or was it one of the "X rep to X power" threads?


I put it here because more users get in the known, and users can then find out if Habbox management are going to do anything about it.

Before we do anything, we have to decide if it is an issue or a non issue.


Stop thinking about your self! This thread is for a certain group of staff!

Such as who?


So on the other hand, what are habbox forum going to do about it?

Anything?

We have covered this again and again. Before we take substantial action, we have to see it as a problem. As of right now, your arguments are not convincing us that there is in fact a problem at hand, because we are simply enforcing a rule that is in force.


So far we have covered:

Laziness, Reputation problems, Infraction problems, Staff telling users to grow up, unanswered complaints and emails. EDIT: And staff excuses for not doing there job.

Plus anything else people might want to add. :)

Staff telling users to grow up?




BTW: If the supposed hate thing you're talking about comes from this thread: http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=378341 then you are misrepresenting the facts.

You claimed that I was rude, told you to grow up and stop complaining.

NOWHERE in this post: http://www.habboxforum.com/showpost.php?p=3724721&postcount=12

Did I say any of that. I even apologized for my tone.

And I remember you now. You're blad3r. Yes, I definitely hate you. I hated you so much, that I spent three hours of my time (that I'm *not* spending on Habbox :rolleyes:) dealing with an issue of people bullying you. I sent out like 15 infractions and dealt with three different threads of posts, because I hate you :) Absolutely. I hope that will show you that we don't act with bias. You can ask alcohol if you don't believe me, he might remember it ;)

Oh yeah, by the way, I've been making the point over and over that we evaluate things before putting them into place, and you've gone over and over about how *all* I do is argue. When a genuinely good idea comes in, we do try to do something about it. Case-in-point: your thread:

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=391162

My reply:

http://www.habboxforum.com/showpost.php?p=3842676&postcount=25

We do actually listen, and contrary to the things you've said about me simply arguing, when you come up with an idea we do listen. I hope that the fact that it was your idea shows that I'm not just biased against you.

[le harry]

can someone sum this thread up for me in like 5 lines :S

[Cixso]

And those will stay.

So why aren't mine?


We take calculated risks, not just blind risks. Though I don't see how we're taking a risk right now...

That's why im saying you need to take a risk.


I don't ban people who personally insult me. I have another admin deal with it to prevent bias. And the member(s) in question were 17, 16, and 19.

Well immature adults/teenagers


So look for an appropriate post or thread, or use the search button, and then give it to them. Or PM yourself a link to the thread, and you can rep them once you have spread. But *DO NOT* rep 10 people saying "spreading so I can rep someone again" that will get you in trouble.

Okay then, as you wish. I'll +rep everybody that you took away and find a good post then?




Such as...

Urgh! Read all the thread again!


No actually. We do it on an "as reported" basis, because we can't comb every thread, though we try, and we catch some that way too. The thread you posted was reported by personal message to me. That is why I dealt with it. If you wish to PM me any threads that are the same, I will gladly deal with them for you :)

Was it LeftForDead that reported it? I bet it was. ;) I'll report something of his after this.


No, if you PMd me a link to another like thread, I would deal with that as well.

This is where laziness comes then?


A search for the thread title VIP Complaint with the username Pycan yields 0 results.

Blad3r - Name change.


Probably because your report held no water?

What do you mean?


Incorrect. We debate with the users who talk to us in a civil fashion. Instead of the ones who yell at us with pure hatred in their eyes. Also, you go back on your own point. You want us to debate it, but then you ask us to give in instead. The point I am trying to make is that while we fully listen to and evaluate every suggestion, we do not agree with, or accept all of them. This is one of the latter. The complaint does not hold water.

What on earth is held in the water? Then re say that paragraph because I never understood one thing.


There are 14 pages and a lot of staff that posted here. How am I supposed to know which is the lie?

Read the whole thing then.


Correct, he doesn't argue, but does he do anything when the complaint holds no water?

No water means? (Is this just an American thing or what?)


Before we do anything, we have to decide if it is an issue or a non issue.

That made me lol. It obviously is an issue. Obviously.




Such as who?

Read the thread from the beginning.



We have covered this again and again. Before we take substantial action, we have to see it as a problem. As of right now, your arguments are not convincing us that there is in fact a problem at hand, because we are simply enforcing a rule that is in force.

I am guessing that is for the reputation? Now what about the other problems?


BTW: If the supposed hate thing you're talking about comes from this thread: http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=378341 then you are misrepresenting the facts.

You claimed that I was rude, told you to grow up and stop complaining.

NOWHERE in this post: http://www.habboxforum.com/showpost.php?p=3724721&postcount=12

Did I say any of that. I even apologized for my tone.

I made the report via to MAD, and the contact us link at the bottom of the page. The complain states every quoted bit that I thought was "unnecessarily" done by you. *Is still waiting for a reply*

Do you still even have that private complaint I sent you via email?

It states everything in that too.


And I remember you now. You're blad3r. Yes, I definitely hate you. I hated you so much, that I spent three hours of my time (that I'm *not* spending on Habbox :rolleyes:) dealing with an issue of people bullying you. I sent out like 15 infractions and dealt with three different threads of posts, because I hate you :) Absolutely. I hope that will show you that we don't act with bias. You can ask alcohol if you don't believe me, he might remember it ;)

Which I thanked you for. Doesn't mean I still like you? You are doing your "job". My opinion in you does not change.


Oh yeah, by the way, I've been making the point over and over that we evaluate things before putting them into place, and you've gone over and over about how *all* I do is argue. When a genuinely good idea comes in, we do try to do something about it. Case-in-point: your thread:

Complaints here. W are not talking about "good" ideas.

My reply:

http://www.habboxforum.com/showpost.php?p=3842676&postcount=25

We do actually listen, and contrary to the things you've said about me simply arguing, when you come up with an idea we do listen. I hope that the fact that it was your idea shows that I'm not just biased against you.[/quote]

Because you would do upmost to keep Habbox succesfull :) :rolleyes:

[Catzsy]

I
Pycan like it when MAD replies, a perfect piece of professional vocabulary and statement. Exactly what I look for.

Oh yes indeed it is usually saying that people have a life outside of Habbox with lots of :)

Thing is does everyone pitch in together? Does Mr. Mad do any himself when everybody is under pressure. Quite honestly you have taken an inordinant amount of time with this thread. Rep was behind - a pm would have been fine.
So who is wasting the valuable time of Nvrspk4 here making a complete mountain out of a molehill? Instead of doing the rep he has to reply to you and if he didn't you would want to know why.

He can't win in this situation and doesn't a lot of support in this thread from people he should have.

You won't find a harder more committed member of the Habbox staff anywhere and if you are looking for a reason why admin/staff are leaving which puts him under even more pressure you are looking in the wrong direction.

[LeftForDead]

Was it LeftForDead that reported it? I bet it was. ;) I'll report something of his after this.
No, i havent reported anything via PM for weeks:)
Btw you do care about rep, if you dont then why are you complaining about pointless rep being removed?

[today]

i love nvrspk4 when he does essays =D

[Cixso]

No, i havent reported anything via PM for weeks:)
Btw you do care about rep, if you dont then why are you complaining about pointless rep being removed?

Of course I care about rep...

Big factor of trust...


So who is wasting the valuable time of Nvrspk4 here making a complete mountain out of a molehill? Instead of doing the rep he has to reply to you and if he didn't you would want to know why.

Was his choice to debate back about it. All he could of said was thank you for this. We will discuss this upon the managers and get back to you.

So don't aim it at me as if it is my fault.


You won't find a harder more committed member of the Habbox staff anywhere and if you are looking for a reason why admin/staff are leaving which puts him under even more pressure you are looking in the wrong direction.

I can, opensourcehost. Why are admins/staff are leaving? I'm looking in the wrong direction? What are you on about?

[Catzsy]

Quote Pycan - I can, opensourcehost.
Danny, please stick to what you actually know anything about - Jay is a great member of staff. In fact I recommended him in the first place but Nvrspk4 has toiled for Habbox for years so Jay has a way to go yet.
I am beginning to think you just like to read your speeches :)

[---MAD---]

In my opinion, you cannot trust someone just from their rep or post count. Rep can be bought so it pretty much destroys the whole point of the system. I am not sure why Habbox even decided to offer people to be able to purchase rep years ago, my guess is it was a popular request by VIP members ages ago.

Admins/staff are leaving mainly because of the new school term. This is the normal cycle of staff at Habbox and usually most Habbo fansites but more Habbox so because it has more staff than most fansites I think.

Staff usually resign at new school term and then before exams in June or whatever, thats how it usually goes every year.

I am not really sure what you are asking us to do here. Nvrspk4 and joshuar are trying their best to sort the reputation system out but they don't seem to be getting any credit for the extra work they are putting in to try and improve the system as much as possible for everyone to enjoy using :).

[today]

In my opinion, you cannot trust someone just from their rep or post count. Rep can be bought so it pretty much destroys the whole point of the system. I am not sure why Habbox even decided to offer people to be able to purchase rep years ago, my guess is it was a popular request by VIP members ages ago.Get rid of it tbh [:

[LeftForDead]

Was his choice to debate back about it. All he could of said was thank you for this. We will discuss this upon the managers and get back to you.

Thought you wanted them to discuss it with users?:s

[Neversoft]

So can I have my reputation that was unfairly removed back now please. :)

Sure you can. You can have back the reputation that was unfairly removed. Therefore your reputation will stay as is. Thanks :)

That was rather unnecessary. :S

[Lycan]

There are still clues about for who has bought rep,

A user whos signed up in the last 4 months with alot of bars and high rep power has bought it..
chances are the user will remain a VIP (because well if they can afford to spend money on rep and can afford to just keep renewing)

And i'm pretty sure rep only kicked in last year as i remember when you coudn't buy rep and i've only been registered for 2 years.

And tbh the same is true about post counts, someone who has a high postcount over a short period of time normally means spammed. while a slower continous post over several years is more trusted.

But thats only how i trust people, sadly i normally look at member with a high post count an rep count more then VIPs.


not sure what that has to o with the thread in its current state, but its nice to see that the thread is still drawing conversation and debate over the problems or feeligs of the members around staff and reputation, even if Danny (Pycan) appears to yell his views rather then use his indoor voice

[Cixso]

I

Oh yes indeed it is usually saying that people have a life outside of Habbox with lots of :)

Thing is does everyone pitch in together? Does Mr. Mad do any himself when everybody is under pressure. Quite honestly you have taken an inordinant amount of time with this thread. Rep was behind - a pm would have been fine.
So who is wasting the valuable time of Nvrspk4 here making a complete mountain out of a molehill? Instead of doing the rep he has to reply to you and if he didn't you would want to know why.

He can't win in this situation and doesn't a lot of support in this thread from people he should have.

You won't find a harder more committed member of the Habbox staff anywhere and if you are looking for a reason why admin/staff are leaving which puts him under even more pressure you are looking in the wrong direction.


There are still clues about for who has bought rep,

A user whos signed up in the last 4 months with alot of bars and high rep power has bought it..
chances are the user will remain a VIP (because well if they can afford to spend money on rep and can afford to just keep renewing)

And i'm pretty sure rep only kicked in last year as i remember when you coudn't buy rep and i've only been registered for 2 years.

And tbh the same is true about post counts, someone who has a high postcount over a short period of time normally means spammed. while a slower continous post over several years is more trusted.

But thats only how i trust people, sadly i normally look at member with a high post count an rep count more then VIPs.


not sure what that has to o with the thread in its current state, but its nice to see that the thread is still drawing conversation and debate over the problems or feeligs of the members around staff and reputation, even if Danny (Pycan) appears to yell his views rather then use his indoor voice

I'm not going to reply to this thread any longer. My views have been made and it's now up to the staff to do what they want with them.

[Lycan]

In awnser to Nvrs earlier post, i am indeed Male, and i do respect his long detailed responses to each of the problems or queries i have posted. although i'm not sure i like catzys responses to Pycan, Pycan does have very valid points he is just unable to get them across in a post without sounding aggressive or confrontational. although this forum has only a small tollerance for such things , might be nice if one of the admins such as Nvr had a private discussion/debate with Pycan to solve all the queries and problems he has rather then an uncontrolable thread where other users may post to stir danny up or may make pointless remarks to defend managment and other members against clear problems.

There is oviously a problem here with some staff , Infractions and Reputation perhaps its time for big steps to be taken when it comes to the rules on giving infractions and the exchange and purchase of reputation.

I understand that reputation brings in a small amount of money on large bills to pay to keep such a popular forum running and that just because its unpopular and turns a reputation system into a 'who has the most money and can buy respect' system, but perhaps it should be removed, Mad has already spoken out against it, i'm sure Nvr would agree... perhaps a general forum vote is in order?

and in the sake of Infractions, getting an infraction for repping someone or -repping someone shoudn't be the case.... surely the idea of loosing hard earned or alot of rep that the user feels proud of building over many months and years perhaps the infractions and threats of banning should be laxed because someone repped there friend with no reason, i've talked to several people over the last few days who have recieved rude or abusive rep and won't report it incase they loose rep they may not deem to be pointless the managment do. i've started giving out alot of -rep over the last few days because its easier to think of a reason to -rep a post then to +rep it .. and ether way i like to give out rep each day so if the same person makes me laugh i can rep them again!

[nvrspk4]

So why aren't mine?

Which ones specifically?



That's why im saying you need to take a risk.

What risk? :P



Okay then, as you wish. I'll +rep everybody that you took away and find a good post then?

-Shrug- Go for it. As long as its within the rules, its not a problem.



Urgh! Read all the thread again!

Sorry no, I'd rather not read 15 pages again just for a single point that I don't even know is there :P


Was it LeftForDead that reported it? I bet it was. ;) I'll report something of his after this.

We, or at least I, do not say anything about people who report things. And that's not to say that it *is* him, however you might have a list of three people you know it has to be for whatever reason, and it may narrow that list down :)



This is where laziness comes then?

There were 370 new threads and over 3500 new posts today. Its not laziness, its an impossible feat to check every one of those. We do look over the threads, but our resources are limited, like it or not we have to mostly depend on post reports.


Blad3r - Name change.

All posts with that name change ;)


What do you mean?

Perhaps it had no merit.



What on earth is held in the water? Then re say that paragraph because I never understood one thing.

Switch held water with is / was valid. It should make sense then.



Read the whole thing then.

:rolleyes: Sorry I'm not going to read an entire thread for something that isn't there.


No water means? (Is this just an American thing or what?)

It basically means its invalid. I dunno, maybe it is an American saying :S Literally, by not holding water, it means that the thing is sort of insubstantial, IE: it isn't there, therefore it can't hold water.



That made me lol. It obviously is an issue. Obviously.

How is it obviously an issue when 3-5 people have posted in support, and its against the rules?



Read the thread from the beginning.

No offense my friend, but I'm not going to read through the thread again and again, simply to try and find points that you made. Since you made the accusation, you have the burden of proof. If you can't show me it, how can I believe it?


I am guessing that is for the reputation? Now what about the other problems?

All the other problems stem from reputations. The infractions - for reputation. Laziness - because we supposedly don't check reputation and/or don't check all 350 threads / 3500 posts. etc. etc.


I made the report via to MAD, and the contact us link at the bottom of the page. The complain states every quoted bit that I thought was "unnecessarily" done by you. *Is still waiting for a reply*

Well perhaps they felt that the complaint was not valid. The person who did emails is no longer with us. However, its also important to remember that at one point we had no email person, so when Tomlegend took over, the 2,000 emails in the inbox were deleted.


Do you still even have that private complaint I sent you via email?

It states everything in that too.

I wouldn't know, I don't check it :) After a while, our filters do a cleanup of things over X days old though.



Which I thanked you for. Doesn't mean I still like you? You are doing your "job". My opinion in you does not change.

So now you agree that I'm not lazy and do do my job? :P


Complaints here. W are not talking about "good" ideas.

If you make a complaint, suggest a fix? Then if its decided that it is an issue, the fix may be implemented.



i love nvrspk4 when he does essays =D

I :love3: you too. :P


Of course I care about rep...

Big factor of trust...

Unfortunately, the reputation system is no longer about trust, its more about "Who has more friends...or more money...or more rep power."



Was his choice to debate back about it. All he could of said was thank you for this. We will discuss this upon the managers and get back to you.

If we did, you would have never heard from us again. Almost guaranteed. If we didn't actually unearth the issues behind it, we would have nothing to work on, if we decide it was an issue. If we get an idea even, we may say, good idea, I see no reason why this can't happen. It probably won't happen. But if we say, Good idea, and go into the logistics of it, and some proposals for further discussion, it means we may try and do something. Its the same thing here. Sure I could've said "I'll look into it" but 9/10 I wouldn't've done anything then. I debate in here to give the members a *chance* at getting what they want done. Or if they can't I debate so that they know why, and then they can consider these factors in the future. I don't debate *just* to be adversarial. Anyone who wrote this much just to dissent would be, well...:eusa_wall


I can, opensourcehost. Why are admins/staff are leaving? I'm looking in the wrong direction? What are you on about?

What he's trying to say is that our admin team has been halved over the last month or two, leaving more to me, such as odd jobs that nobody else can pick up. Such as responses to Habbox.com things, and Habbo Name changes. There's usually a miscellaneous Admin-In-Training waiting for a spot who does these. We've cut down on the number of admins as well, the second AFM has gone. Admins are leaving because school is coming. Simple as :)


In my opinion, you cannot trust someone just from their rep or post count. Rep can be bought so it pretty much destroys the whole point of the system. I am not sure why Habbox even decided to offer people to be able to purchase rep years ago, my guess is it was a popular request by VIP members ages ago.

I agree. Now I have to feel old, because I *know* why buying rep was introduced. For the record, this is why rep was introduced. VIP was in place, and back then you still got 15 points for VIP. So, these people were having MASSIVE rep wars, and what they were doing is purchasing ridiculous amounts of VIP, just for the 15/month. Irrational right? I guess not to them. Tidus was one, if anyone remembers them. However I guess since less were buying VIP then, Habbox was harder pressed to pay their server bills (remember, we didn't have Google Ads at that point) and so they offered buying reputation, which was a hit. I think we should look into removing it, however.


Admins/staff are leaving mainly because of the new school term. This is the normal cycle of staff at Habbox and usually most Habbo fansites but more Habbox so because it has more staff than most fansites I think.

Agreed :)


Staff usually resign at new school term and then before exams in June or whatever, thats how it usually goes every year.

Yeah, and also performance drops till November and till July, because some staff go on temporary breaks, which we allow, because education is top priority.



There are still clues about for who has bought rep,

A user whos signed up in the last 4 months with alot of bars and high rep power has bought it..
chances are the user will remain a VIP (because well if they can afford to spend money on rep and can afford to just keep renewing)

Oh yes, there are clues. But I could show you Rep Buyers in the most unlikely places...of course I wouldn't, because I don't do that. I do, however, speak up, when people who actually earned (or at least recieved from members) rep are abused because its thought they've bought it, cause that's just not right and I'm the only one who can prove it :P


And i'm pretty sure rep only kicked in last year as i remember when you coudn't buy rep and i've only been registered for 2 years.

Rep has always been here, you've been able to buy rep since...err...I think when JackHB was VIP manager. Might've been after Dave, I can't be sure on that one.


And tbh the same is true about post counts, someone who has a high postcount over a short period of time normally means spammed. while a slower continous post over several years is more trusted.

Not necessarily, because someone can still post crap, just at a slower rate :P


But thats only how i trust people, sadly i normally look at member with a high post count an rep count more then VIPs.

I personally look at the join date. That is the most indicative factor for me, well as well as their demeanor in the post I am looking at. The way people conduct themselves and express themselves play a huge role in how I judge people. And for me, first impressions are key, though not final :)


not sure what that has to o with the thread in its current state, but its nice to see that the thread is still drawing conversation and debate over the problems or feeligs of the members around staff and reputation, even if Danny (Pycan) appears to yell his views rather then use his indoor voice

Heh. Each of us has a different way of expressing it, although the way we do often decides how much we can get done with our views ;)


That was rather unnecessary. :S

Yeah, it was a bit overkill, but I felt it was necessary to close the point completely, as that really isn't up for debate, it was blatent rulebreaking and I had consensus on that one from fellow admins :P Sorry about the overbeating of the point.


In awnser to Nvrs earlier post, i am indeed Male, and i do respect his long detailed responses to each of the problems or queries i have posted. although i'm not sure i like catzys responses to Pycan, Pycan does have very valid points he is just unable to get them across in a post without sounding aggressive or confrontational. although this forum has only a small tollerance for such things , might be nice if one of the admins such as Nvr had a private discussion/debate with Pycan to solve all the queries and problems he has rather then an uncontrolable thread where other users may post to stir danny up or may make pointless remarks to defend managment and other members against clear problems.

Thanks :)

In defense of Catzsy, I don't think she was posting to rile Pycan, simply to try and calm him down, because Rosie is a very kind and peaceloving person. She was simply trying to point out the other side and settle him down a bit, though of course when we have our blood running it seems that everyone is out to get us, just part of being human :P


There is oviously a problem here with some staff , Infractions and Reputation perhaps its time for big steps to be taken when it comes to the rules on giving infractions and the exchange and purchase of reputation.

I agree, we should look into abolishing bought rep. The problems with staff and infractions aren't 100% clear to me, as it seems rather evident that the infractions were given for legitimate reasons. Or maybe I'm misinterpreting which infractions you mean.


I understand that reputation brings in a small amount of money on large bills to pay to keep such a popular forum running and that just because its unpopular and turns a reputation system into a 'who has the most money and can buy respect' system, but perhaps it should be removed, Mad has already spoken out against it, i'm sure Nvr would agree... perhaps a general forum vote is in order?

I have agreed in the past, I've never liked it, and have worked to get it removed, just such motions in the past simply were sort of put to the wayside for more important issues. This has already been proposed to the admins, and if we reach a consensus, we may put it out to the Forum users to gauge their reaction (though, fair warning, we may not side with the majority, if its close or something like that, but chances are we will, if we put a poll out.)


and in the sake of Infractions, getting an infraction for repping someone or -repping someone shoudn't be the case.... surely the idea of loosing hard earned or alot of rep that the user feels proud of building over many months and years perhaps the infractions and threats of banning should be laxed because someone repped there friend with no reason, i've talked to several people over the last few days who have recieved rude or abusive rep and won't report it incase they loose rep they may not deem to be pointless the managment do. i've started giving out alot of -rep over the last few days because its easier to think of a reason to -rep a post then to +rep it .. and ether way i like to give out rep each day so if the same person makes me laugh i can rep them again!

You won't get an infraction for one pointless rep. You'd get it for a full page or two (20-40) of them. We really only used bans at the outset, as we've tried to sort this before with simple requests, whence people replied saying "you can't do anything". We were just pointing out the rule *is* in force, and though we try not to invoke it for bans, we do when necessary. The people I have banned in the past (temporarily for the most part) for reputation, are the people who rep half the forum negatively, pretending to be people that they are not. Or the ones who spread er...delicate images, let's say, through the reputation system. Although it is smart..sort of. Harder to get caught, but you have limits :P



Thanks to Rosie, MAD, and Jay for their comments as well :) And thanks to Earthquake for the levity :P

[Soil]

If you have a life and are busy, why not pass your job on then? Resign? Give some other person with no life a chance who will be dedicated and work there *** off.

Everybody has a right to complain, it's exactly what I am doing. Tis' my feedback.

They don't pass on their job because they don't have a life. They like to think they do.
Last time I complained, I got flamed.
I have received over 20 infractions which have been reversed. Half of them from Super Moderators and ---MAD---. They are busy with things "behind the scenes"[, but they have time to give out stupid infractions? Super Moderators try and give out as many infractions as the can. I got two infractions. One of them was given to me by accident. Then a few minutes later, the same super moderator gives me a infraction for double posting :s. Nvrspk4 gave me a infraction for a post which was 6 months old./B]
The management here are pure [B]stupid. That my opinion anyway.
I was perm banned on ksoz for a stupid reason. Nvrspk4 closed a thread. He didnt make a edit or anything. I opened it as I didnt know how it got closed. And then he perm banned me. Pure stupid. I guess little kids will never learn.


Saying "I have a life" or "We have a life" is not really a good excuse unless you start asking far too much of someone (ie to check all reported rep all in 1 day and there are like 10 pages of it). Most management staff have other responsibilities that are behind the scenes so they have other stuff to do besides what people see and usually those (behind the scenes stuff) take priority. Obviously you still cannot use the excuse "I have a life" but should rather say it takes time to deal with it all.

Off course since all staff at Habbox are volunteers, they will usually have a few days of less productivity because of school/work or whatever, but thats normal on any volunteer site run by teenagers such as Habbox.

Volunteers dont usually get paid. You do. So technically you aren't a volunteer. You are a staff. Everything was fine before Seacat / DJ-3000 and Anitar resigned.
The fact is they were 16+. They took on critisim and improved on it.
The new management are 14-15. They hate critism.
Last month or sometime then, the "Report Reputation Problems" thread had over 100 posts. They just deleted them all. Lazy/B].


The priority for nvrsk and josh is to do the vip as people are actually paying for the service , Before you weren't able to remove pointless negative points and no one actually complained, your lucky habbox decided to introduce it.

You could also get your ngative reputation reversed :S It has been there since 2005. Please dont make false statements.

The thing which management don't realise is that we pay the money they get to run habbox. Without us this forum wouldnt be here. So start treating your members with respect like other forums do. You just like to think there are 3-4 people complaining, but from the number of replies in this thread, it just prooves that [B]alot of people arent happy.

Before someone says "Why do you come on habboxforum if you dont like it??"
Answer: There are some great members and some forums I like.

The fact that I have around 20 reversed infractions, prooves that the Super Mods / Admins arent really good.

[Mr.OSH]

The fact that I have around 20 reversed infractions, prooves that the Super Mods / Admins arent really good.

What you have to remember is that regularly we have new additions to the team and when people are new to the way Habbox's moderation team functions they are bound to make mistakes to start with. As for Super Moderator and Administrators, I can safely say the ALL the Super Moderators and Administrator are amazing at what they do. Habbox runs a tight ship with administrators and Super Moderators, they do not employ or keep staff who cannot do a job up to a good standard. I work along side the administrators and the Super moderators and I can tell you all the stick that they get is not warranted. If you could see what people like ---MAD--- and nvrpsk4 do, things that members wouldn't take a second thought about you might think twice before hurling any sort of criticisms am them. The administrators are coping fine at the moment. For reasons of common sense, they do not go employing new Administrators just because one less important task such as reputation takes a little longer to be dealt with. Of course if in a few months time when things are back to normal the delays were massive they might need to think about taking some action but I would be lying if I said I didn't expect things to slow down a little, especially reputation etc as people return from their summer holidays. Anybody who is in any doubt that the current administrators cannot do their job is very very wrong. It's people like ---MAD--- and nvrpsk4 and joshuar who have mad Habbox what it is today. :)

[Soil]

What you have to remember is that regularly we have new additions to the team and when people are new to the way Habbox's moderation team functions they are bound to make mistakes to start with. As for Super Moderator and Administrators, I can safely say the ALL the Super Moderators and Administrator are amazing at what they do. Habbox runs a tight ship with administrators and Super Moderators, they do not employ or keep staff who cannot do a job up to a good standard.

Sorry, but I havent got infractions from new mods or trialists. I have got them only from Smods and Admins. Seeing as I have around 20 reversed infractions, I dont think they are "amazing at what they do".
If they were, I wouldnt have all those pointless infractions.
" Habbox runs a tight ship with administrators and Super Moderators, they do not employ or keep staff who cannot do a job up to a good standard. " - Well, they seem to promote the mods who arent very good.
4 reversed infractions would be fine as everyone makes mistakes. But 20? Bit over the top.
I got a infraction for making a post on day 1. Then 24 hours later i made another one as I wantedt o add something, and the smod gave me a infraction. Maybe they should read the 15 minute rule?

[Mr.OSH]

Sorry, but I havent got infractions from new mods or trialists. I have got them only from Smods and Admins. Seeing as I have around 20 reversed infractions, I dont think they are "amazing at what they do".
If they were, I wouldnt have all those pointless infractions.
" Habbox runs a tight ship with administrators and Super Moderators, they do not employ or keep staff who cannot do a job up to a good standard. " - Well, they seem to promote the mods who arent very good.
4 reversed infractions would be fine as everyone makes mistakes. But 20? Bit over the top.
I got a infraction for making a post on day 1. Then 24 hours later i made another one as I wantedt o add something, and the smod gave me a infraction. Maybe they should read the 15 minute rule?

Trust me they work very hard. Everyone makes mistakes and in all honesty I doubt you have that many reversed from only Super Moderators and Administrators unless your talking over a VERY large time period. Not that many infractions get reversed we have a very accurate Super Moderation team at the moment, only around 5 infractions over 3 weeks being reversed on average. I can ensure you that the work the Habbox Super Moderator put into their job is of optimum ability and if defiantly up to very high standards which I can imagine is some of the best quality you will find on any successful forum.

[Soil]

Trust me they work very hard. Everyone makes mistakes and in all honesty I doubt you have that many reversed from only Super Moderators and Administrators unless your talking over a VERY large time period. Not that many infractions get reversed we have a very accurate Super Moderation team at the moment, only around 5 infractions over 3 weeks being reversed on average. I can ensure you that the work the Habbox Super Moderator put into their job is of optimum ability and if defiantly up to very high standards which I can imagine is some of the best quality you will find on any successful forum.

Most are from Smods and Admins over a short period of time. I got 2 in one day which were both reversed - both by the same smod.

Anyway, hxf staff / mgmt need to listen to their members rather than ignore the suggestions.
The huge amounts of crtisim only started after MAD and nvrspk4 became admin.

[---MAD---]

Sorry, but I havent got infractions from new mods or trialists. I have got them only from Smods and Admins. Seeing as I have around 20 reversed infractions, I dont think they are "amazing at what they do".
If they were, I wouldnt have all those pointless infractions.
" Habbox runs a tight ship with administrators and Super Moderators, they do not employ or keep staff who cannot do a job up to a good standard. " - Well, they seem to promote the mods who arent very good.
4 reversed infractions would be fine as everyone makes mistakes. But 20? Bit over the top.
I got a infraction for making a post on day 1. Then 24 hours later i made another one as I wantedt o add something, and the smod gave me a infraction. Maybe they should read the 15 minute rule?
I am not sure what you are moaning about. The infractions were reversed. I only see 2 reversed warnings on your current account. As long as they get reversed, I don't think its a big deal because reversed infractions dont get you banned ;).

Infraction complaints have decrease quite a lot recently which is a good sign. A year ago or so when they were introduced, there were loads and loads of complaints regarding it and the moderators. I think current systems are proving to be working :).

[Mr.OSH]

Most are from Smods and Admins over a short period of time. I got 2 in one day which were both reversed - both by the same smod.

Anyway, hxf staff / mgmt need to listen to their members rather than ignore the suggestions.
The huge amounts of crtisim only started after MAD and nvrspk4 became admin.

Despite what you think Habbox's current admins, MAD, nvrspk4, joshuar, J1MI etc are all amazing staff they do their job to the highest standard possible, trust me when I say they are doing what is right for Habbox. Some members just can't appreciate all the hard work that Super Moderator and Administrators put into Habbox. Super Moderators very rarely get infractions reversed, I know for a fact that in recent months the amount of reversed infractions for Super Moderators has been very low. Just have a good think about how hard these staff work before you criticise them, without them Habbox would not function how it does and you'd be complaining much much more than you are now.

[Soil]

I am not sure what you are moaning about. The infractions were reversed. I only see 2 reversed warnings on your current account. As long as they get reversed, I don't think its a big deal because reversed infractions dont get you banned ;).

Infraction complaints have decrease quite a lot recently which is a good sign. A year ago or so when they were introduced, there were loads and loads of complaints regarding it and the moderators. I think current systems are proving to be working :).


What about my previous account? The only reason I referred to my infractions is because opensource said smods rarely ever make mistakes.
Anyway, other people have made some very good valid points too.

[joshuar]

Your account was banned a while ago now I believe?

Since then the super moderation team has improved in accuracy so mistakes such as that shouldn't happen again :)

[le harry]

Despite what you think Habbox's current admins, MAD, nvrspk4, joshuar, J1MI etc are all amazing staff they do their job to the highest standard possible, trust me when I say they are doing what is right for Habbox. Some members just can't appreciate all the hard work that Super Moderator and Administrators put into Habbox. Super Moderators very rarely get infractions reversed, I know for a fact that in recent months the amount of reversed infractions for Super Moderators has been very low. Just have a good think about how hard these staff work before you criticise them, without them Habbox would not function how it does and you'd be complaining much much more than you are now.

i hate the font you use with a passion.

[PenguinFluid]

Most are from Smods and Admins over a short period of time. I got 2 in one day which were both reversed - both by the same smod.

Anyway, hxf staff / mgmt need to listen to their members rather than ignore the suggestions.
The huge amounts of crtisim only started after MAD and nvrspk4 became admin.
I have heard the average ammount for a mod reveresed monthly is something like 1 or 2 out of how ever many hundred infractions they make. Same with another top forum. so they DO do theyre job.

I cant speak like jay but Ihave exp as a supermod on habboxworld and about 1 infraction every few months was reveresed due to a mistake by someone and that is good imo. I presume most infractions are reversed by supermods due to them acidentally infracting staff due to the suer having vip and only just in their usertitle. No-one is perfect , they can make these mistakes and as MAD said ''you only have 2 reversed warnings'' thats pretty laughable compared to your stupid metaphor or 20.

Give them a break , they dedicate hours and hours to habbox volunterary to get people like you throwning it back in their faces.

If you dont ike it thne leave but I can guuarentee you wont and that the mods are better then say clubhabboforum who's mods resemble everyone from the habbox 'spam group''.

[le harry]

I have heard the average amount for a mod revesed monthly is something like 1 or 2 out of how ever many hundred infractions they make. Same with another top forum. so they do do there job.

I can't speak like Jay but I have experience as a supermod on habboxworld and about 1 infraction every few months was reversed due to a mistake by someone and that is good imo. I presume most infractions are reversed by supermods due to them acidentally infracting staff due to the user having vip and only just in their usertitle. No-one is perfect , they can make these mistakes and as MAD said ''you only have 2 reversed warnings'' thats pretty laughable compared to your stupid metaphor of 20.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN LOL? METAPHOR? I THINK YOU MEANT EXAGGERATION

Give them a break, they dedicate hours and hours to habbox voluntarily to get people like you throwning it back in their faces.

If you dont like it then leave but I can guarantee you wont and that the mods are better then say clubhabboforum who's mods resemble everyone from the habbox 'spam group''.

habboxforum isn't habboxworld :rolleyes:

they have different user base.

ps; couldn't resist fixing up your spelling mistakes
ps2; hope i didn't spell anything wrong.

[Soil]

I have heard the average ammount for a mod reveresed monthly is something like 1 or 2 out of how ever many hundred infractions they make. Same with another top forum. so they DO do theyre job.

I cant speak like jay but Ihave exp as a supermod on habboxworld and about 1 infraction every few months was reveresed due to a mistake by someone and that is good imo. I presume most infractions are reversed by supermods due to them acidentally infracting staff due to the suer having vip and only just in their usertitle. No-one is perfect , they can make these mistakes and as MAD said ''you only have 2 reversed warnings'' thats pretty laughable compared to your stupid metaphor or 20.

Give them a break , they dedicate hours and hours to habbox volunterary to get people like you throwning it back in their faces.

If you dont ike it thne leave but I can guuarentee you wont and that the mods are better then say clubhabboforum who's mods resemble everyone from the habbox 'spam group''.

Read my posts properly. I had them on my old account which was banned.
So its not a metaphor, its a fact.

[joshuar]

You don't have 20 reversed infractions :S

Your old account only shows 5.

[Soil]

You don't have 20 reversed infractions :S

Your old account only shows 5.

It had a lot more. I even posted images when I used it to proove a point :S

[You]

pathetic like m8

[the wombats]

You don't have 20 reversed infractions :S

Your old account only shows 5.

so if he only had 5 then he should be unbanned. ;)

[Lycan]

Indeed. another thread full of ideas lost

[rnix]

I find it very funny how i got talking to "a member of staff" on msn and i asked something and to end it they said

"ATM your being a *REMOVED* so im going to remove you, bye"


I thought how mature ;/ not.


Then there like she abused her powers which she totally did not and its very funny how 12/15 mods signe a petition and none of them here anymore, hmmm ;/

Habbox management goes down and even more down the drain STARTING with ---mad---


Bye,


BTW i DELIBERTY avoided the filter to show you how pathetic they really are

Edited by Yoshimitsui (Super Moderator): PLease don't avoid the filter.

[rnix]

oh no

if no-one seen what removed said


DONT EDIT MY POST AGAIN!!!!!!!

Cause i have a life!

I HAVE A RIGHT TO HAVE MY OPONION!

SO SHUTUP

[rnix]

MY SIG ROCKS ;]


NIGHT EVERYONE!!!



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[rnix]

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[rnix]

200th reply yaya


go me

Edited by opensourcehost (Forum Super Moderator): Please do not multiple post.

[TidgyPie]

With this type of thread i dont think il be here for long,

Lot's of people hate ---Mad--- why?

I have signed numerous petitions against him but i didnt know who he was.


[First post]

[Lycan]

With this type of thread i dont think il be here for long,

Lot's of people hate ---Mad--- why?

I have signed numerous petitions against him but i didnt know who he was.


[First post]


this thread isn't generally against mad. but people think what he does is for the better of himself not the general forum.

[TidgyPie]

I done think i will be liking this MAD guy,

i miss my friend :(

[Janet Snakehole]

MAD is awesome.
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