View Full Version : Should our state be secular?
Spectate
15-09-2007, 10:33 PM
Do you agree with the Queen being head of the Anglican Church? Why does our monarch have to be considered "Defender of the Faith"? Other secular states like Turkey are far more religious, and even if you were to argue that this country is religious, it hardly seems fair for the monarch to only represent one religion.
-:Undertaker:-
15-09-2007, 11:14 PM
It is fair for the Monarch to represent one religion, we our Christian mainly, so we're a Christian country, most of our laws and democratic systems are based on Christian Values.
I believe we should keep the Monarchy going, but not keep giving them stupidly massive amounts of money.
FlyingJesus
15-09-2007, 11:17 PM
So you want our Christian Queen to represent all religions? I don't get the question quite, but if that's it then no.
Spectate
15-09-2007, 11:22 PM
So you want our Christian Queen to represent all religions? I don't get the question quite, but if that's it then no.
If we have to keep the Queen, I'd prefer it if she didn't represent any religion.
GommeInc
15-09-2007, 11:25 PM
It is fair for the Monarch to represent one religion, we our Christian mainly, so we're a Christian country, most of our laws and democratic systems are based on Christian Values.
I believe we should keep the Monarchy going, but not keep giving them stupidly massive amounts of money.
SHame traditions are dying out. Christmas is ruined now, no santa stamps and not to mention singing carols is banned in most schools.
FlyingJesus
15-09-2007, 11:37 PM
If we have to keep the Queen, I'd prefer it if she didn't represent any religion.
Why not? If you want this country to be "open" as you probably do then how would telling someone not to believe in something help?
Spectate
16-09-2007, 09:03 AM
Why not? If you want this country to be "open" as you probably do then how would telling someone not to believe in something help?
I'm not saying you should tell people not to believe in something. I'm saying that I don't think we should have an 'official' religion, when there are other religions well-represented in the country.
Browney
16-09-2007, 09:29 AM
But not as well represented as Christianity. We are a Christian country and I'm afraid that'll how it'll be.
Spectate
16-09-2007, 09:31 AM
But not as well represented as Christianity. We are a Christian country and I'm afraid that'll how it'll be.
Sorry forgot to add the countless atheists in my previous posts. Would be interesting to see statistics, but surely there are fewer christians than there are atheists, muslims, hindus, jews, sikhs and so on.
Browney
16-09-2007, 09:37 AM
The results indicate that Britain remains a Christian country, at least in terms of religious affiliation. In the 2001-APR-29 census, out of a total population of 58.79 million:
Religion Number (in millions) % of total population
Christianity 42.079 71.6%
No religion (Incl. Jedi) 9.10 15.5
;)
Spectate
16-09-2007, 09:40 AM
Bah! Shocking statistics :P Guess that includes the people who are christians because they were christened and haven't really thought much about being anything else.
Browney
16-09-2007, 09:41 AM
*Raises hand*
Haha, I love the part in that quote that says "Including Jedi."
lAdmire
16-09-2007, 05:34 PM
you know what?
she can do whatever she wants.
she can represent whatever religion she wants.
Spectate
16-09-2007, 05:37 PM
you know what?
she can do whatever she wants.
she can represent whatever religion she wants.
Without a legitimate mandate for any of it :P
FlyingJesus
16-09-2007, 10:50 PM
Wow, I wasn't aware you had to have mandate for believing in something.
Roboevil
16-09-2007, 10:57 PM
Eugh... at the maximum I'd say she could represent Catholicism and other Christian factions but nothing more. I'd find it insulting if she represented Islam, Jewish or Sikhism.
Concentric2
16-09-2007, 11:12 PM
Who cares what the monarchy believes? We don't have to believe what the queen believes.
Spectate
17-09-2007, 03:00 PM
Wow, I wasn't aware you had to have mandate for believing in something.
I was referring to her not having a legitimate mandate to "do whatever she wants". I wasn't talking about her beliefs.
Browney
17-09-2007, 03:04 PM
Eugh... at the maximum I'd say she could represent Catholicism and other Christian factions but nothing more. I'd find it insulting if she represented Islam, Jewish or Sikhism.
I think he meant the queen be neutral. As in no religion on the whole.
Dan2nd
17-09-2007, 03:42 PM
The Queen represents the Church of England because Henry VIII destroyed the catholic church during tudor times ad created his own version so he could get a divorce and gain control of religion on top of everything else. Thats why the Queen today is the head of the Church of england and all future Kings/Queens will be. She is not the head of the catholic church that would be the pope .. lol
FlyingJesus
17-09-2007, 05:54 PM
The Queen can do what she wants because she's the Queen, simple as that. Ok it may not be "fair" but it's heritage and tradition which I personally would like to see continued.
Virgin Mary
17-09-2007, 06:48 PM
Why don't we just call ourselves politically correct land and burn the entire white race for being white which is oh so offensive???
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