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efq
06-10-2007, 11:58 AM
Dunno If anyone posted this, I Searched it but couldn't find so here.

http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/science_technology/selling+to+kids++virtually/762662






llegal to advertise junk food to children on telly. But online, the rules are different. Imagine a burger bar where most of the customers are under 18 and visit without their parents.
There's a non-stop stream of burgers, fries and fizzy drinks for free. And the man behind the counter trills that a burger is "the food of the Gods".

Nothing is branded, but ask for a drink and you're told to "Obey your thirst" - the instantly recognisable marketing slogan for Sprite.

This place actually exists and, not surprisingly, it's wildly popular with burger-loving teenagers. It's not in the real world, thankfully, but online in Habbo, a virtual chat forum for teenage children.

Founded by a Finnish company in 2000, it has seen over 78 million visitors around the world, and receives seven million visitors each month. Ninety per cent of those are below the age of 18.

Users create their own little characters, called Habbos, which can explore public areas, such as a beach, restaurants, or cafes, and set up their own rooms. They can meet other young people under the watchful eye of moderators who make sure nothing untoward is going on. This is a curious grey area in advertising regulations, where things that would not be allowed on television are perfectly legal.
It's an attractive platform for advertisers; music label EMI is currently promoting its Now 67 album, the latest in a long-running series of pop compilations. Music is fairly uncontroversial, but other things companies want to sell to teens are not, especially unhealthy food.

Worldwide, Habbo has run campaigns for numerous makers of what many would consider to be junk food. In the US, for example, it's running a campaign for a new snack called Cheez-it Stix and in July Habbo ran a campaign for Fanta in the UK.

This is a curious grey area in advertising regulations, where things that would not be allowed on television are perfectly legal.

Some things could never feasibly be controlled. It's hard to see how companies could be stopped from promoting whatever they like on their own sites, and pages hosted abroad, where rules don't apply, will always easily accessible from Britain.

But there are areas that do fall under the Advertising Standards Authority's remit: paid-for advertising on third-party platforms, such as Habbo. But the rules on advertising high fat, sugar and salt foods on television don't apply to paid-for advertising space online. There are plenty of messages that subtly imply that burgers and fizzy drinks are a good thing.
Since the Fanta campaign closed, Habbo hasn't run any campaigns marketing junk food, but there are plenty of messages that subtly imply that burgers and fizzy drinks are a good thing.

The site includes an area called the Habburger bar. It's a room made up to look like a normal branch of a fast food restaurant.

Go to the counter, and there's a bloke in a Santa hat called Phillip, who responds to requests for food. Ask for a Fanta, say, or a Coke, and he replies "Obey Your Thirst! Obey your thirst" - the advertising slogan of Sprite. Could this be a subtle subliminal marketing campaign?

Apparently not. Phillip is not a real person, but a "chatbot" - a character who appears to be real but is actually just delivering computerised responses.

A spokesperson for Habbo UK assured Channel 4 News that the "Obey your thirst" line was a total coincidence:

"It is not our intention to promote a fast food brand, or any brand, within these replies and the programmed responses are currently under review to ensure they are not misleading," she said.

Habbo teens ... come to explore and interact with the engaging online virtual world that is similar to theirs offline.'
Habbo spokeswoman
A week later, Phillip had been reprogrammed. He now greets visitors with the words "Help yourself to a straw".

However, the place hardly promotes a healthy eating message. Ask for salad, and he replies, "do you want that with or without fries?"

I said "without" but was given fries anyway. And no salad. And if you don't want burgers there's a pizza place next door.

The site's spokeswoman said the burger restaurant was just part of the process of making Habbo look like the outside world as teenagers experience it.

"Habbo teens ... come to explore and interact with the engaging online virtual world that is similar to theirs offline."

So this may not be part of a subliminal marketing campaign for Sprite but there is some well-disguised marketing going on in there. Ask for a bar of chocolate in another part of Habbo - the Ice café - and you'll be offered fairtrade chocolate.

This is part of a marketing campaign by the Divine chocolate company. They invited kids to go into the Ice Café area and shout "stock the fairtrade choc" - as detailed on the Dubble website. As a result, Habbo now stocks fair-trade chocolate.


'[Habbo] offers an innovative and cost effective way to communicate and interact with the teen demographic, build brand loyalty and modify consumer behavior.'

Sulake, Habbo's parent corporation Virtual burgers don't make children fat, of course, and however boring the summer holidays may get, there can't be many kids who would choose to spend them eating digital salad.

But virtual habits will feed over into real world behaviour - at least that's what Sulake, Habbo's parent corporation, says on its website.

Habbo, it says, "offers an innovative and cost effective way to communicate and interact with the teen demographic, build brand loyalty and modify consumer behavior.

"Habbo pushes traditional online marketing campaigns into a virtual, activity and identity driven world, where the advertisers have the opportunity to become content providers."

It does seem to be a curious loophole - that advertisers can do on the internet what they can't do on television. As virtual worlds for children grow in popularity, is it one that should remain open?

Boxiel
06-10-2007, 12:01 PM
What? o.O

GommeInc
06-10-2007, 12:01 PM
There's been hundreds of these articles by different websites. It's just a boring review which doesn't thoroughly look at the insides of Habbo. They would think different.

Hurts
06-10-2007, 12:05 PM
How sad, what would they say if they knew you could get Blood Juice in the Dirty Duck Pub :rolleyes:

Qamp
06-10-2007, 12:05 PM
Lol so true yet so funny ;D

Aflux
06-10-2007, 12:08 PM
The authorities are so very sad and pathetic. I pity them, I really do.

CHA!NGANG
06-10-2007, 12:08 PM
Took me 5 mins to read...

It basically says: Habbo should not advertise food like in the Hamburger room in public room section and that it is setting a bad example.

VPSwow
06-10-2007, 12:12 PM
Haha i laffed at that. They are pathetic really, im sure kids are not going to say ooh mum im having burgers all time now because you can get them on Habbo.

TopManTim
06-10-2007, 12:16 PM
They have ignored you can get free trade chocolate :rolleyes:

Boonzeet
06-10-2007, 12:16 PM
Took me a while to read it, and seeing that C4 can be so sad, I am no longer gonna watch their channel.

All they want is to make it look realistic, not advertise that burgers are cool. If the person who wrote the article cant realise that ordering a burger on a virtual hotel DOESNT MAKE THE KID FAT, then he shouldnt be a writer. As If some kid will play habbo and say OMGZZ FREE BURGURZ MUST GO TO MCDONALDSZ TO BUYZZZ" and go to McDonalds because of habbo.

Nah, this Ben person is saaaaad. Habbo is more than an advertising campaign. They have to advertise somehow - all sites do. Or (forgetting about credits) they would go bust.

I mean the Canadian BurgerKing Burger bar, I dont like that as its too much advertising. But wth when it comes to "Obey your thirst!" THAT REALLY MAKES PEOPLE DRINK SPRITE DOESNT IT >.>

Qamp
06-10-2007, 12:18 PM
Well sitting on a comp isnt exacly healthy is it -.-

efq
06-10-2007, 12:20 PM
lol, it is really pathetic tho o.O

Boonzeet
06-10-2007, 12:23 PM
Well sitting on a comp isnt exacly healthy is it -.-
Rather then tell people that, why are you on the comp?

It is really sad that everyone critisises habbo.

efq
06-10-2007, 12:25 PM
Well sitting on a comp isnt exacly healthy is it -.-
tell tht 2 the billion on ryt now

GhostFace-
06-10-2007, 01:02 PM
LOL. Who cares no1 actualy eats there xD

Elliott$
06-10-2007, 01:05 PM
It doesn't make me want to eat food irl when I get it on pixels? :S

mlp16
06-10-2007, 01:11 PM
However, the place hardly promotes a healthy eating message. Ask for salad, and he replies, "do you want that with or without fries?"

I said "without" but was given fries anyway.


I LOLED SO HARD

Lycan
06-10-2007, 01:15 PM
Quit an intresting point really... if you ignore the habbo rubbish.... about advertising online

Jordy
06-10-2007, 01:20 PM
It's such a petty matter for a news agency to write a good 3-5 minute read on, it could of been summed up in a sentence like CHA!NGANG did. I genuinely do think they're being very petty and they're actually sad for researching the matter. I did learn a few new things, I new there was a campaign to get the fair trade (Dubble) chocolate, however I thought it was just a bunch of Habbo's wanting it, not the company telling people too :S

What a sad bunch of people at Channel 4, no wonder they have the least watched news over the terestrial channels. Since the BBC, ITN News (ITV) and Channel 5 don't report on so much crap.

It's all about being POLITICALLY CORRECT, which is driving the world mad.

alex 1889
06-10-2007, 01:53 PM
i know its a slow news day but cmon

Imp!
06-10-2007, 01:56 PM
How sad, what would they say if they knew you could get Blood Juice in the Dirty Duck Pub :rolleyes:


*emails channel4 to get some money and be famous*

Loqo
06-10-2007, 02:30 PM
What a load of crap. Am sure kids wont be thinking i want burgers cause Habbo have them.

ColyTom
06-10-2007, 02:33 PM
That article is a complete load of rubbish!

Black_Apalachi
06-10-2007, 03:01 PM
Oh noes I'm going to be obese because my Habbo ate a chip :rolleyes:.

JackBuddy
06-10-2007, 04:52 PM
good job they didn't try some of the 'coming' in the welcome lounge!

Hiro
06-10-2007, 04:54 PM
Oh noes I'm going to be obese because my Habbo ate a chip :rolleyes:.

Don't worry Rob!
It's fat free!

Technologic
06-10-2007, 05:06 PM
Oh look.

More stereotypes of teenagers...

Kalk
06-10-2007, 07:31 PM
A few things/questions:


in July Habbo ran a campaign for Fanta in the UK. When was this?


there's a bloke in a Santa hat Wow, he really needs to do his research


Could this be a subtle subliminal marketing campaign? Overreaction of the decade.


A spokesperson for Habbo UK HelKat?


there can't be many kids who would choose to spend them eating digital salad. I laughed at that.


As virtual worlds for children grow in popularity, is it one that should remain open? So, he thinks that Sulake should go out of buisness because of one room in a hotel with over 30 public rooms? Sheesh, how many people actually go to the Habburgers place anyway?

ItsDave
06-10-2007, 08:01 PM
I couldn't be bothered to read all of that. All I have to say is people with healthy snacks dont get there advertisments in on time, so unhealthy products get to gain publicity instead of the good ones, so its the companys fault of not taking advantage out of our mushy tennage brains. Thank you and good night channel 4

Q-tech
06-10-2007, 08:49 PM
i dont really think if someone in a virtual world is asking or promoting a if you want a burger of not its going to affect you in real life?
seems abit silly to me.

Jordy
06-10-2007, 09:09 PM
When was this?It was on Habbo.com, they're moaning about habbo in general, not just UK :P

Pyroka
06-10-2007, 09:40 PM
Intrieguing, they're right though. The internet is renowned for it's freedom of advertising and more famously, speech. I guess in internet companies though this is sort of only just being noticed. O_o

Shawnstra
06-10-2007, 11:34 PM
I laughed all the way. Who would go to Habbo to just get burgers? Amgz I'm goin' on Habbo to get some burgerzz!!!!!111

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