Concerning rule A33

[Cwmbran]

"A33. Do not post on the forum using a different language. - Posting in any language other than English is not allowed (this does not apply to coding languages in the web design forums). There are some exceptions such as "Merci", "Au revoir", "Bonjour", "Ciao" or any other well known basic words. This rule does not apply to the foreign languages (http://www.habboxforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=59) forum nor VIP sub-forums."

T'in siarad Cymraeg?

Rightio, if I was to post in Welsh would that be classed as a foreign language as Wales is part of the UK and this is the UK Forum, based around www.habbo.co.UK (http://www.habbo.co.UK) as Wales is part of the UK I believe that the rule should be re-written so you can post in any British language (English, Welsh, Gaelic, Cornish) even though the majority of the forum does not use any other language apart from English I believe that the rule should be re-written.

Annigonol ydy un iath. (One language is never enough)

P.S. If your going to be complete and utter prats about it (The selected few of the forum don't bother posting.)

[Lycan]

Surely it should be changed considering we allow americans to speak there rubbish on this forum

[jesus]

Surely it should be changed considering we allow americans to speak there rubbish on this forumthats dialect rather than another language

[Sammeth.]

Welsh, Scottish Gaelic, Lowland Scots, Cornish and Irish are all official languages of the U.K aswell as English, so I guess it should be allowed as it isnt foreign if its an official language of UK :S

But the main reason is so you dont break the rules in a foreign language, as the mods wont be able to understand. Unless they hired a moderator who was bi-lingual.

[Lycan]

thats dialect rather than another language

American is not a dialect....

[Sammeth.]

American is not a dialect....
American English is a dialect.

[jesus]

lol, i didnt study a-level english language for nothing ;]

[Cwmbran]

Welsh, Scottish Gaelic, Lowland Scots, Cornish and Irish are all official languages of the U.K aswell as English, so I guess it should be allowed as it isnt foreign if its an official language of UK :S

But the main reason is so you dont break the rules in a foreign language, as the mods wont be able to understand. Unless they hired a moderator who was bi-lingual.

I can see the problem that this would cause with the Moderation team, but if your going to post in another British language then I' am sure you will be mature enough not too offend people as you would have had to study the language in question for a year or two.

[Sammeth.]

I can see the problem that this would cause with the Moderation team, but if your going to post in another British language then I' am sure you will be mature enough not too offend people as you would have had to study the language in question for a year or two.
I agree whole heartedly. If its an official language of the UK, its not foreign.

[Cwmbran]

I agree whole heartedly. If its an official language of the UK, its not foreign.
Therefore the rule should be re-written. :)

[Tbh]

nath you sad gay :)
do something useful like..
get better and stop bunking college..
and tbh the only welsh i know is goodnight and fat **** i think ;]
tought by you obvs ;)

[Cwmbran]

nath you sad gay :)
do something useful like..
get better and stop bunking college..
and tbh the only welsh i know is goodnight and fat **** i think ;]
tought by you obvs ;)



P.S. If your going to be complete and utter prats about it (The selected few of the forum don't bother posting.)


I clearly asked you not to reply Jord. ;)

And quiet frankly you only learned them words because a certain someone searched "Welsh insults" on google then he started calling me them, so I translated and one thing lead to another, which resulted in you finding out.

[Sammeth.]

Therefore the rule should be re-written. :)

It should be, but whether it is or not...looks doubtful to me :(! Im sure complications will be brought up, and arguments will break out soon enough. [/pessimism]

[Cwmbran]

It should be, but whether it is or not...looks doubtful to me :(! Im sure complications will be brought up, and arguments will break out soon enough. [/pessimism]
Bring 'em on. :8

[mat64]

Well basically, The problem here is that moderators aren't able to understand what you posted and therefore we can't be sure if it's breaking the forum rules or not. Even though I'm sure you didn't mean any offense by what you posted, If we cannot understand it then we can't be sure so the post has to be removed. As far as Welsh been a language of the United Kingdom goes, The rule states that you are not allow to post in any language other than English unless you are posting in the VIP Sub-Forums or in the Foreign Language forum. Even though you may consider Welsh not to be a foreign language because Wales is a country within the UK, The main point is that Forum (Super) Moderators cannot understand the post you have made and therefore we cannot be sure if it's breaking the forum rules or not.


A33. Do not post on the forum using a different language. - Posting in any language other than English is not allowed (this does not apply to coding languages in the web design forums). There are some exceptions such as "Merci", "Au revoir", "Bonjour", "Ciao" or any other well known basic words. This rule does not apply to the foreign languages (http://www.habboxforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=59) forum nor VIP sub-forums.

[Cwmbran]

Well basically, The problem here is that moderators aren't able to understand what you posted and therefore we can't be sure if it's breaking the forum rules or not. Even though I'm sure you didn't mean any offense by what you posted, If we cannot understand it then we can't be sure so the post has to be removed. As far as Welsh been a language of the United Kingdom goes, The rule states that you are not allow to post in any language other than English unless you are posting in the VIP Sub-Forums or in the Foreign Language forum. Even though you may consider Welsh not to be a foreign language because Wales is a country within the UK, The main point is that Forum (Super) Moderators cannot understand the post you have made and therefore we cannot be sure if it's breaking the forum rules or not.

I understand the problem that there would be, but I do sort of have a solution.

I could supply a list of common Welsh insults to an Admin, which could then be passed onto the moderators and then they would be able to check it with posts that have been reported or if they have any suspicions.

Also, if two people were to be arguing in Welsh the majority of the forum would not be able to understand what it means therefore if it was offensive to many people they would not know what has been posted.

[nvrspk4]

I understand what you mean, and you have a valid point...in technicality.

However, since this isn't a government, sometimes reality prevails over technicality. Although you are right, it is an official UK language, the majority of members cannot speak it. Virtually every member can speak English. You're right, the rule should be reworded, but if you're asking for Welsh to be allowed, sorry, can't happen, no matter how many "common phrases" you supply, there's always an interesting way to make a new one :P If you need to have an argument with another member without offending others, then use the PM system :)

[Catzsy]

I agree with Nvrspk4 if the rule still applies which I don't necessarily agree with as Welsh is more obscure than most European languages and even in Wales less than 25% speak it. You might as use Esperanto at least more people know that. Apart from that what would be the point on here? I live in Wales and can speak Welsh but I bet you could count the rest of the members on one hand so very few would understand it.

[Nixt]

The rule should be changed to this:

A33. Do not post on the forum using a different language unless you post the English translation alongside it.

Yeah I know, people could swear and everything in a foreign language and then not bother to translate it properly, but at least it's a compromise x).

[Titch]

The rule should be changed to this:

A33. Do not post on the forum using a different language unless you post the English translation alongside it.

Yeah I know, people could swear and everything in a foreign language and then not bother to translate it properly, but at least it's a compromise x).


I agree with that!

[Royce]

The rule should be changed to this:

A33. Do not post on the forum using a different language unless you post the English translation alongside it.

Yeah I know, people could swear and everything in a foreign language and then not bother to translate it properly, but at least it's a compromise x).

That is a very good idea, that way it would solve a few minor problems. We could talk in another language, but all users can understand because it will have the English next to it, if the user doesn't post the English with it they get infracted.

Good idea Garion, I like it. :D

[Favourtism]

The rule should be changed to this:

A33. Do not post on the forum using a different language unless you post the English translation alongside it.

Yeah I know, people could swear and everything in a foreign language and then not bother to translate it properly, but at least it's a compromise x).


They could put a fake translation

[Royce]

Could have language moderators, that speak different languages to check things out.

[Galaxay1]

I think the rule should stay as it is.

Obviously people would abuse it and post loads of rubbish in langauges we dont understand. And would completely waste the time of MOD's to translate everything said to make sure the translation is correct and not faked.

If you can speak english (as obviously you can as you registered, posted and posted this etc) then you dont need to speak welsh, or post in the foreign langauges forum.

[---MAD---]

I think the rule still applies even if you talk welsh or whatever other official language in the UK mainly because the moderators and admins are all english speakers/readers and it would be far too hard to hire a mod for each language spoken in the uk and it is unnecessary.

[Nixt]

They could put a fake translation

Yeah, I know. I identified that problem "Yeah I know, people could swear and everything in a foreign language and then not bother to translate it properly, but at least it's a compromise x)."

It's not hard to check a translation though, particularly if they put the translation too.

[Favourtism]

Yeah, I know. I identified that problem "Yeah I know, people could swear and everything in a foreign language and then not bother to translate it properly, but at least it's a compromise x)."

It's not hard to check a translation though, particularly if they put the translation too.

Harder work for th mods when its not needed. They already work extreemly hard. I reported quite a few posts yesterday and lord it took ages so it must be hell for them.

[Nixt]

Harder work for th mods when its not needed. They already work extreemly hard. I reported quite a few posts yesterday and lord it took ages so it must be hell for them.

I was a Moderator and Super Moderator for Habbox for just under 7 months. I know how things work, and if a Moderator can't be bothered to copy and paste some text into a translator and then check it against the English translation provided by the poster (which would take about a minute), then the Forum's Moderation is even worse than many people consider it already.

[Favourtism]

I was a Moderator and Super Moderator for Habbox for just under 7 months. I know how things work, and if a Moderator can't be bothered to copy and paste some text into a translator and then check it against the English translation provided by the poster (which would take about a minute), then the Forum's Moderation is even worse than many people consider it already.
But it is pointless work for them when they could be dealing with rule breaking instead of messing around with translators.

[Nixt]

But it is pointless work for them when they could be dealing with rule breaking instead of messing around with translators.

Do you think Moderators spend ALL of their time Moderating or something? Not all of their time on this Forum is work, so adding a little extra work wouldn't effect them hugely.
Think of it this way - once the rule change died down, you would get a maximum of five people a day posting in a foreign language (probably a lot less) on the basis that it takes approximately 2 minutes (and that's a slight extension on time too) to copy and paste text into a translator and then compare it with English, that's an extra ten minutes onto their work load. It's also important to note that with a Moderation team of 18 strong, it seems unlikely that one single Moderator will have to deal with all of the posts in a Foreign language.
When I was a Super Moderator, I would have been happy to check that the English translation of a sentence / paragraph someone posted on the Forum matched the one that came up in a translator.

[Favourtism]

Do you think Moderators spend ALL of their time Moderating or something? Not all of their time on this Forum is work, so adding a little extra work wouldn't effect them hugely.
Think of it this way - once the rule change died down, you would get a maximum of five people a day posting in a foreign language (probably a lot less) on the basis that it takes approximately 2 minutes (and that's a slight extension on time too) to copy and paste text into a translator and then compare it with English, that's an extra ten minutes onto their work load. It's also important to note that with a Moderation team of 18 strong, it seems unlikely that one single Moderator will have to deal with all of the posts in a Foreign language.
When I was a Super Moderator, I would have been happy to check that the English translation of a sentence / paragraph someone posted on the Forum matched the one that came up in a translator.


By pointless I meant the need to post in different laguages is POINTLESS.

Habboxforum is english language for a reason - Most/if not everyone speaks english therefore there is no need to speak in a different language unless it is to insult people without them knowing which is avoiding the rules.

Your points are valid and I agree about the moderators however why do users need to speak in non english languages on an english forum apart from for avoiding rules.

[Nixt]

By pointless I meant the need to post in different laguages is POINTLESS.

Habboxforum is english language for a reason - Most/if not everyone speaks english therefore there is no need to speak in a different language unless it is to insult people without them knowing which is avoiding the rules.

Your points are valid and I agree about the moderators however why do users need to speak in non english languages on an english forum apart from for avoiding rules.

I'll be quite honest - on HxF, if people are going to break rules they're going to go ahead and do it rather than disguise it in a foreign language :rolleyes:.
The rule sprung up after one isolated incident (as far as I am aware) and it seems stupid that it did. I agree, it doesn't seem like there is much point in being able to post in another language but members see it as an inhibition of their rights. If they want to post in another language, if the moment takes them and they want to say "BONJOUR, J'E M'APPELLE GARION etc" then why shouldn't they be able to? It's stupid that you would want to post in another language (unless you needed help in it or w/e) but it's equally stupid that you're not allowed to.

[Favourtism]

Hmm good comeback ;) +rep

Basic lagnuage like that you just said should be allowed since nearly every school I know teaches Spanish and French and I know them/.

[Nixt]

Hmm good comeback ;) +rep

Basic lagnuage like that you just said should be allowed since nearly every school I know teaches Spanish and French and I know them/.

You're allowed basic language like bonjour and ciao, but you couldn't write an extended French piece or whatever.

[Cwmbran]

The rule should be changed to this:

A33. Do not post on the forum using a different language unless you post the English translation alongside it.

Yeah I know, people could swear and everything in a foreign language and then not bother to translate it properly, but at least it's a compromise x).

Agreed.


We could talk in another language, but all users can understand because it will have the English next to it, if the user doesn't post the English with it they get infracted.
Thats a nice add on too Garion's point.


I think the rule still applies even if you talk welsh or whatever other official language in the UK mainly because the moderators and admins are all english speakers/readers and it would be far too hard to hire a mod for each language spoken in the uk and it is unnecessary.As Garion has said in the quote below it would take less than one minute to copy and paste into an online translator.
It would be unnecessary too hire new moderators to moderate a different language if you enforce the rule that Garion has made up as the translation would be there, also if you add Royce's little point to it then it would be easier to Moderate.


if a Moderator can't be bothered to copy and paste some text into a translator and then check it against the English translation provided by the poster (which would take about a minute), then the Forum's Moderation is even worse than many people consider it already.




When I was a Super Moderator, I would have been happy to check that the English translation of a sentence / paragraph someone posted on the Forum matched the one that came up in a translator.
The forum needs more Mod's like Garion.


By pointless I meant the need to post in different laguages is POINTLESS.

Habboxforum is english language for a reason - Most/if not everyone speaks english therefore there is no need to speak in a different language unless it is to insult people without them knowing which is avoiding the rules.

Your points are valid and I agree about the moderators however why do users need to speak in non english languages on an english forum apart from for avoiding rules.

No it is not pointless, I'm pretty sure that most or even all of the Welsh members on this forum can speak/read Welsh and if they are planning on studying it at GCSE or A Level then it would benefit them (In all Welsh Schools it is compulsory for students upto and including year 9 to take part in Welsh lessons), also I have many English friends that would love to be able to speak Welsh.
If I wanted to insult someone that could not speak Welsh I would post it in a language they do understand, and if they did understood Welsh then they would be able too report the post with an accurate translation of it then a Moderator could check it with an online translator.

[Neversoft]

Lol, they won't ever remove that rule. Stupid, I know.
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=394942

[Lycan]

nor sure why they dont hire specalised language moderators or dare i ask... are the Managment biased towards english speaking countries

[Cwmbran]

Lol, they won't ever remove that rule. Stupid, I know.
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=394942
I'm not asking them to remove the rule, just too re-write it so all the official UK languages can be spoken on the forum.


Originally post by Lycan
nor sure why they dont hire specalised language moderators or dare i ask... are the Managment biased towards english speaking countries
They do not need to hire specalised language moderators, just moderators that can be bothered too spend an extra minute of their time to copy & paste the few sentences into a translator.

[Catzsy]

I'm not asking them to remove the rule, just too re-write it so all the official UK languages can be spoken on the forum.


They do not need to hire specalised language moderators, just moderators that can be bothered too spend an extra minute of their time to copy & paste the few sentences into a translator.

Tell me what the point is? Why would anybody want to speak in another language on here? What demand would there be?

[Cwmbran]

Tell me what the point is?
Why would anybody want to speak in another language on here?
What demand would there be?
I for one would love to be able to post in my first language I'm sure that others would like to post in other British languages. It would also benefit anyone that is trying to learn/study the language as they could practice it without doing it the boring way and spending hours reading through a book.
Why wouldn't they want to speak in another British language?
A language is not a product, therefore there would be no demand for this item.

[jrh2002]

Why dont you just join some welsh forums?
The owner of the forums first language isnt English but because he is fluent in english theres no problem.
As for the translators :eusa_wall you put in a translation from one language to english and then when you translate it back to that language it comes out different to what you put in the first time :s

It seems like the feedback forums have turned in to a place where people find the smallest faults to try and cause arguments. :O

[Cwmbran]

Why dont you just join some welsh forums?
The owner of the forums first language isnt English but because he is fluent in english theres no problem.
As for the translators :eusa_wall you put in a translation from one language to english and then when you translate it back to that language it comes out different to what you put in the first time :s



Why should I join a Welsh forum, this is a British forum I should be allowed to speak my own language which is an Official British Language.
You obviously don't know how to work translators correctly, or your using a rubbish one.

[Lycan]

Why dont you just join some welsh forums?
The owner of the forums first language isnt English but because he is fluent in english theres no problem.
As for the translators :eusa_wall you put in a translation from one language to english and then when you translate it back to that language it comes out different to what you put in the first time :s

It seems like the feedback forums have turned in to a place where people find the smallest faults to try and cause arguments. :O


You trying to say that people who speak another language other then English are.... Faults

[jrh2002]

I am saying this forum is English speaking end of story :S get a vip sub-forum and make it all in welsh then you can sit there all day talking to all the people fluent in welsh on hxf.

I don't care who speaks what language but you cant just start posting other languages all over english speaking forums :rolleyes:
Its hard enough finding dedicated moderators without having to make sure they are fluent in other languages to suit a very small minority.

[Lycan]

I am saying this forum is English speaking end of story :S get a vip sub-forum and make it all in welsh then you can sit there all day talking to all the people fluent in welsh on hxf.

I don't care who speaks what language but you cant just start posting other languages all over english speaking forums :rolleyes:
Its hard enough finding dedicated moderators without having to make sure they are fluent in other languages to suit a very small minority.


So your telling me that anyone who speaks another langauge other then English and is still in Britain on a British forum isn't worth the time or space?

[Falcon]

Y3 BUT ii C4N SP33K iiN MY 0WN L4NGU4G3 KK?? ;;x

[Ella]

If youre arguing that this should be an exclusively English speaking forum. Surely that means that 'txt' speak, or regional 'slang' should all be banned too?
...Because as I remember the English dictionary doesnt contain 'l8rs' :)

Edit: Most perfect example above. In 'Leet' Thanks :D

Cimar a tha thu? - How are you? (Gaelic)

[Cwmbran]

I am saying this forum is English speaking end of story :S get a vip sub-forum and make it all in welsh then you can sit there all day talking to all the people fluent in welsh on hxf.

I don't care who speaks what language but you cant just start posting other languages all over english speaking forums :rolleyes:
Its hard enough finding dedicated moderators without having to make sure they are fluent in other languages to suit a very small minority.

The forum may be English speaking but it is the UK Forum, and if you are not good at your geography Wales is part of the UK also Welsh the language is an official British language, as this is a British forum people who speak other British languages should be able to speak their language.

Again, "English speaking forums" it is a British Forum.
Also if you have read through the thread or at least the 3rd page, then you would see that there is a very easy solution to hiring new moderators that are fluent in the language in question.

[JackHb]

Why should I join a Welsh forum, this is a British forum I should be allowed to speak my own language which is an Official British Language.
You obviously don't know how to work translators correctly, or your using a rubbish one.

I agree with Jrh2002 on this one, the majority of people on here are English, if you start speaking Welsh then we will have everyone speaking there own different languages. It would look stupid and just cause problems.
If you really want a Welsh forum that much then request a Language bored where you all can post in your other languages. But then who moderates it, etc...

If i was the admins i woulnd't allow it, and stick to English.
Welsh is a dying language.

And before you go snapping at me, I am Welsh myself ;)

[Lycan]

I agree with Jrh2002 on this one, the majority of people on here are English, if you start speaking Welsh then we will have everyone speaking there own different languages. It would look stupid and just cause problems.
If you really want a Welsh forum that much then request a Language bored where you all can post in your other languages. But then who moderates it, etc...

If i was the admins i woulnd't allow it, and stick to English.
Welsh is a dying language.

And before you go snapping at me, I am Welsh myself ;)


IF Welsh is a dying language why is it still taught as a first langauge in some Welsh schools?

Your telling me that people who speak another language will cause problems??? ..

if we are stating nationality, then i am British.

[Cwmbran]

I agree with Jrh2002 on this one, the majority of people on here are English, if you start speaking Welsh then we will have everyone speaking there own different languages. It would look stupid and just cause problems.
If you really want a Welsh forum that much then request a Language bored where you all can post in your other languages. But then who moderates it, etc...

If i was the admins i woulnd't allow it, and stick to English.
Welsh is a dying language.

And before you go snapping at me, I am Welsh myself ;)
Not if the rule states only British Languages.
Welsh is not a dying language, more and more people are studying it with it being compulsary upto and including year 9 in all Welsh schools.

[Ella]

Welsh is a dying language.

Maybe if it was allowed on forums. It would be spoken more, practised more and it wouldn't be dying?
What about Gaelic? That a dying language too?

[Lycan]

Does the idea of introducing 2 new moderators to mointor Scottish, Irish and Welsh conversations cause such a problem?

Cwmbran i'm sure would mointor any conversations and happily report any that would breech the rules

or is HabboxForum too scared of not being able to control other British national languages

[jrh2002]

Actually I purchased this forum and intended it to be English speaking for english speaking habbo users from all over the world even if english isnt your first language.

I dont like people talking in their l33t talk either maybe you can teach them welsh instead?

Your obsessed about it being british speaking :S I thought your parliment wanted to leave the uk and live in the mountains and valleys all on your own?

[Cwmbran]

Maybe if it was allowed on forums. It would be spoken more, practised more and it wouldn't be dying?
What about Gaelic? That a dying language too?
Well according to some people it probably is because they don't speak it.
I my self would love to learn some Gaelic, I would have opted to take it at college but it is not taught in the college I go to.


Originally posted by Lycan
Does the idea of introducing 2 new moderators to mointor Scottish, Irish and Welsh conversations cause such a problem?

Cwmbran i'm sure would mointor any conversations and happily report any that would breech the rules

or is HabboxForum too scared of not being able to control other British national languages
I would happily monitor all languages but I'm only fluent in Welsh and English, also as I have stated and Garion has stated there is no need to hire new moderators, just encourage the existing moderators too use online translators.


Originally posted by jrh2002
Actually I purchased this forum and intended it to be English speaking for english speaking habbo users from all over the world even if english isnt your first language.

I dont like people talking in their l33t talk either maybe you can teach them welsh instead?

Your obsessed about it being british speaking :S I thought your parliment wanted to leave the uk and live in the mountains and valleys all on your own?

When the rule gets changed.
Why bring up the government?

Also you said that people are just looking to find ways to cause arguments, you are the one that has caused the argument by being so disrespectful.

[JackHb]

IF Welsh is a dying language why is it still taught as a first langauge in some Welsh schools?

Your telling me that people who speak another language will cause problems??? ..

if we are stating nationality, then i am British.

Yeah in SOME welsh schools, with the majority in English.

I am telling you that if you start posting in your Welsh then soon we will have people posting in Japanese, and then what are they gonna do, hire a moderator for every language in the world, so a couple of you can post your little Welsh sentances to your online buddys which could easily be posted in English?

If your THAT bothered by not being allowed to speak Welsh then find a Welsh forum, and before that go and complain to other places which do not allow Welsh, as your talking about a small forum.

What are you going to be complaing about next? That HXF needs printable braille for the blind?

[Lycan]

Actually I purchased this forum and intended it to be English speaking for english speaking habbo users from all over the world even if english isnt your first language.

I dont like people talking in their l33t talk either maybe you can teach them welsh instead?

Your obsessed about it being british speaking :S I thought your parliment wanted to leave the uk and live in the mountains and valleys all on your own?


A Minority of Scots and Welsh want independence... but according to you would should ignore the Minorities :) or it wasn't you, it was someone



Yeah in SOME welsh schools, with the majority in English.

I am telling you that if you start posting in your Welsh then soon we will have people posting in Japanese, and then what are they gonna do, hire a moderator for every language in the world, so a couple of you can post your little Welsh sentances to your online buddys which could easily be posted in English?

If your THAT bothered by not being allowed to speak Welsh then find a Welsh forum, and before that go and complain to other places which do not allow Welsh, as your talking about a small forum.

What are you going to be complaing about next? That HXF needs printable braille for the blind?

.... I think your becoming rude and sarcastic, if you are unable to keep this discussion and problem sensible maybe you should take 5 minutes to calm down rather then being rude towards other members of this forum and the languages they choose to speak. In the loose terms, you could be considered to be racist

So you want a English speaking forum and a Welsh one... should the jews go over there and Christians on another forum orr?

Dare i ask how you feel on the Ethnic clensing criteria?....



Well according to some people it probably is because they don't speak it.
I my self would love to learn some Gaelic, I would have opted to take it at college but it is not taught in the college I go to.


i wanted to learn Welsh in secondary school, i was lucky enough to have a nice welsh speaking teacher to help me start to learn, but she soonr etired. now in my college years , i'm happy that i tried learning but i wish i had been able to have more listens and be able to master basic welsh

[Ella]

[quote=JackHb;3987463]I am telling you that if you start posting in your Welsh then soon we will have people posting in Japanese[quote]

I think the point was that this is primarily a British forum, and only one British language is permitted to be spoken...

[JackHb]

.... I think your becoming rude and sarcastic, if you are unable to keep this discussion and problem sensible maybe you should take 5 minutes to calm down rather then being rude towards other members of this forum and the languages they choose to speak. In the loose terms, you could be considered to be racist

So you want a English speaking forum and a Welsh one... should the jews go over there and Christians on another forum orr?

Dare i ask how you feel on the Ethnic clensing criteria?....

No i am not being rude or sarcastic, I am giving my opinion, if you are unable to take my critism then your going to struggle in life.

Oh i was waiting for this, i am now a racist? See, your one of these people which has made political correctness spiral out of control.
If you want i will post some pictures of me with my black friends, welsh friends, english friends, spanish friends.

Jews? Christians - I am on about the Welsh and English language,.

If i made a topic now about something and then you reply in welsh and then someone replys in english then 2 people reply in welsh then 6 people reply in english - it would look a complete mess.

[Lycan]

[quote=JackHb;3987463]I am telling you that if you start posting in your Welsh then soon we will have people posting in Japanesequote]

I think the point was that this is primarily a British forum, and only one British language is permitted to be spoken...

Unless Japan joined the United Kingdom overnight, i don't think that would be a fair comment to make



No i am not being rude or sarcastic, I am giving my opinion, if you are unable to take my critism then your going to struggle in life.

Oh i was waiting for this, i am now a racist? See, your one of these people which has made political correctness spiral out of control.
If you want i will post some pictures of me with my black friends, welsh friends, english friends, spanish friends.

Jews? Christians - I am on about the Welsh and English language,.

If i made a topic now about something and then you reply in welsh and then someone replys in english then 2 people reply in welsh then 6 people reply in english - it would look a complete mess.

I don't wise to see pictures of you... unless you feel a real need to confirm yourself... is there some doubt.

I would ask that you don't attempt to make comments towards my life and how i deal with it

This is a dicussion about British languages... i suggest you keep track of the thread... i was comparing the two problems, if you are unable to understand that
then your going to struggle in life.

[JackHb]

[quote=Ella;3987482]

Unless Japan joined the United Kingdom overnight, i don't think that would be a fair comment to make

Well if you want to post in Welsh, then why not let people post in Japanese.
Its not as though us English only speakers are going to be able to read either, so myswell allow all langauges if we allow the one

And i said ask for a langauge forum not a whole new habboxforumwelsh.com

[Ella]

If i made a topic now about something and then you reply in welsh and then someone replys in english then 2 people reply in welsh then 6 people reply in english - it would look a complete mess.

And if there were clear - WELSH - things in the name? I think you'd find that the majority would only post in welsh/gaelic in certain places.

[JackHb]

[quote=Ella;3987482]

I would ask that you don't attempt to make comments towards my life and how i deal with it



Oh yes, i forgot you can imply that i am a racist and imply my views on ethnic clensing, yet i cant make comments towards your life.

I do apologise

[Lycan]

Well if you want to post in Welsh, then why not let people post in Japanese.
Its not as though us English only speakers are going to be able to read either, so myswell allow all langauges if we allow the one

And i said ask for a langauge forum not a whole new habboxforumwelsh.com


I'm so sorry, i was under the impression this thread was about British country land languages... , Welsh, Galeic (sp) i didn't realise that Japan was a British country





Oh yes, i forgot you can imply that i am a racist and imply my views on ethnic clensing, yet i cant make comments towards your life.

I do apologise

I don't remember directly calling you racist, if you saw it as that then perhaps you feel some connection... i do apoloygise if i've caused you grief.. perhaps sticking to the topic might help

[Spherical]

Why dont we create a multinational language general chat category (just the one bit) and make it a rule that the person put [WELSH] or [JAPANESE] in the title? :) Sorted.

[JackHb]

And if there were clear - WELSH - things in the name? I think you'd find that the majority would only post in welsh/gaelic in certain places.

Well that is why i said ask for a language forum! And if it gets that big then request sub forums in it such as discuss anything etc!
Other than Welsh speakrs having to go around looking for the posts with [WELSH] in the name.

[JackHb]

Why dont we create a multinational language general chat category (just the one bit) and make it a rule that the person put [WELSH] or [JAPANESE] in the title? :) Sorted.

Exactly my point. There own category/forum thing

Edited by opensourcehost (Forum Super Moderator): Please do not multiple post, simply edit your previous post.

[jrh2002]

A Minority of Scots and Welsh want independence... but according to you would should ignore the Minorities :) or it wasn't you, it was someone




.... I think your becoming rude and sarcastic, if you are unable to keep this discussion and problem sensible maybe you should take 5 minutes to calm down rather then being rude towards other members of this forum and the languages they choose to speak. In the loose terms, you could be considered to be racist

I am rude and sarcastic tyvm :)
*Takes Deep Breath To Calm Down*
English is a universal language that almost all global companies require you to speak whatever nation they are based in (including sulake)
If I use a foreign forum even if I cant speak that language fluently I will do my best to post in that language and not tell them they need to speak english just for my sake.
This is not a problem at all as the rule wont be changed in my opinion to let you post in jibberish.

You could consider me racist but thats your opinion :O *Another Deep Breath*
I consider myself to speak common sense and don't have much time for people trying to cause problems.
If welsh is allowed then every other proper language should be :eusa_wall

[Lycan]

Well that is why i said ask for a language forum! And if it gets that big then request sub forums in it such as discuss anything etc!
Other than Welsh speakrs having to go around looking for the posts with [WELSH] in the name.

The idea of the thread was to get the rules changed to allow such a forum to be created was it not?



I am rude and sarcastic tyvm :)
*Takes Deep Breath To Calm Down*
English is a universal language that almost all global companies require you to speak whatever nation they are based in (including sulake)
If I use a foreign forum even if I cant speak that language fluently I will do my best to post in that language and not tell them they need to speak english just for my sake.
This is not a problem at all as the rule wont be changed in my opinion to let you post in jibberish.

You could consider me racist but thats your opinion :O *Another Deep Breath*
I consider myself to speak common sense and don't have much time for people trying to cause problems.
If welsh is allowed then every other proper language should be :eusa_wall



Whats being asked is that the rules change to allow british languages to be spoken, which has already created sparks of ideas about a Welsh speakers subforum of this very site. but someone can't even create a vip forum and speak french without breaking the rules

[today]

i hate people speaking other languages which i cant understand ticks me off big style.

[Ella]

i hate people speaking other languages which i cant understand ticks me off big style.
Why? If you don't mind me asking. I'm just curious. :)

[Lycan]

i hate people speaking other languages which i cant understand ticks me off big style.

Annoys me too, i wish i could understand them sometimes. but i don't think that unable to unstand or even disliking should make others ... even a Minority suffer

[today]

Why? If you don't mind me asking. I'm just curious. :)
As i cant understand it, along with all i know they could be talking about myself, insulting, planning events or something and its generally rude.

[jrh2002]

1: The idea of the thread was to get the rules changed to allow such a forum to be created was it not?

2: someone can't even create a vip forum and speak french without breaking the rules

1: The rule would not need to be changed if there was a forum just for welsh speakers but why not just use the foreign language forum? oh because people are splitting hairs because welsh is an official uk language.

2: VIP forums are usually let to go about things in their own way but if there are any serious rules being broken then I presume they get closed? its up to the forum owner to keep it well moderated.

[Cwmbran]

I'm not going to quote post in this post, but this is mainly for jrh2002 and JackHB.


If you actually took the time, to take in what I said in the very first post of this thread, then you would see that I' am asking for everyone to be able to post in all British Languages if they wish too.

I did not ask for the rule to be scraped, just for the rule to be "Re-written" so that only British Languages can be used.

It seems to me jrh2002 would have a problem with people communicating in other languages as you could not understand them and you do not want to be left out.

@JackHb
The Multilanguage board would cause to much hastle for the managment to add and monitor because then they would have to hire new moderators that are fluent in the languages being used, as I have suggested with the rule being re-written there is no need for a new board and what Garion and I have suggested would result in there being no need to hire new moderators.

[JackHb]

It is not a HUGE deal if you speak welsh or not on this forum, you have been posting your 4000 posts in English, i do not see why you and the others can't carry on?

[Lycan]

1: The rule would not need to be changed if there was a forum just for welsh speakers but why not just use the foreign language forum? oh because people are splitting hairs because welsh is an official uk language.

2: VIP forums are usually let to go about things in their own way but if there are any serious rules being broken then I presume they get closed? its up to the forum owner to keep it well moderated.

The rules state that only English may be spoken, even if there is a Welsh forum the minute someone speaks welsh they are banned without a rule change, surely its a pitfall trap



It is not a HUGE deal if you speak welsh or not on this forum, you have been posting your 4000 posts in English, i do not see why you and the others can't carry on?

Because i'm happy to speak for a Minority and i'm ok with change and open ideas... making the site better for thoose who do want to speak welsh rather then me and my 4000 English posts... hell if someone could help me learn welsh as a Hobby i'd be more then greatful... even Galeic (sp)

[today]

Well said tbh.

Why change it, its working perfeclty fine its just a odd few who feel they should break the rule.

It is not a HUGE deal if you speak welsh or not on this forum, you have been posting your 4000 posts in English, i do not see why you and the others can't carry on?

[Ella]

As i cant understand it, along with all i know they could be talking about myself, insulting, planning events or something and its generally rude.

I see your point. But if it was made a rule that you had to post an English translation next to whatever was said, would that be ok? It was brought up earlier in the thread.
For example.

Halo. Cimar a tha thu? - Hello. How are you?

:) what do you think?

[today]

I see your point. But if it was made a rule that you had to post an English translation next to whatever was said, would that be ok? It was brought up earlier in the thread.
For example.

Halo. Cimar a tha thu? - Hello. How are you?

:) what do you think?
Not really as i still wouldnt know and the user could be making it up.

[Cwmbran]

It is not a HUGE deal if you speak welsh or not on this forum, you have been posting your 4000 posts in English, i do not see why you and the others can't carry on?
It is not that we can not carry on, I just don't see why I and others are not allowed to speak in our home language.
It's like saying Wales play England in rugby and they are playing in England and Wales have to sing their national anthem in English.


Well said tbh.

Why change it, its working perfeclty fine its just a odd few who feel they should break the rule.
But if the rule was "re-written" then it would not be breaking the rule.


But if it was made a rule that you had to post an English translation next to whatever was said, would that be ok? It was brought up earlier in the thread.
For example.

Halo. Cimar a tha thu? - Hello. How are you?

:) what do you think?

That is exactly how the rule should be formatted.


Not really as i still wouldnt know and the user could be making it up.
If you are that paranoid, then you could easily check it with an online translator: http://www.translation-guide.com/free_online_translators.php?from=Welsh&to=English

[today]

I dont see the point, go bugger off to another forum which lets you express that language, a forum which you can only speak that language. :]

[Ella]

Well said tbh.

Why change it, its working perfeclty fine its just a odd few who feel they should break the rule.

The odd few want to change the rule rather than break it. Hence the thread. :)

[Lycan]

I dont see the point, go bugger off to another forum which lets you express that language, a forum which you can only speak that language. :]
And this children is how Language and Cultural diversity started. :)

[today]

The odd few want to change the rule rather than break it. Hence the thread. :)
Thats like me saying i want the rule where the filter is removed, so do many, it wont happen though for the greater good.

(I dont actually but i couldnt think of examples!!)

to Lycan: Call it Languageism if you'll like, i dont mind :]

[Cwmbran]

I dont see the point, go bugger off to another forum which lets you express that language, a forum which you can only speak that language. :]

If you don't see the point of people talking in another British Language then why be so paranoid about it?

Also, I do not see why I and other British citizens can not post on a British Forum in their national language, so therefore I shall not "bugger off".

[Ella]

I dont see the point, go bugger off to another forum which lets you express that language, a forum which you can only speak that language. :]

You dont see the point. But quite a few others do... Its not just about you. We're talking about catering for everyone in the UK
and we've already talked about if the translation was found to be very inaccurate the poster would be warned ect. And it would only be in a select forum. Its like I don't understand coding, but its still there. I just ignore that forum. :)

[Corporal]

I saw someone with a german word, foobar(or summit like that)
This is actually offensive in germany.

[JackHb]

I dont see the point, go bugger off to another forum which lets you express that language, a forum which you can only speak that language. :]

Be careful, I got acussed of sarcasm, rudeness and racism for posts like that from these people.

If you want a forum that bad for languages then PM ---MAD---, and i will look forward to using my online translator to join in with your welsh conversations

Gwna mo cara 'r Cymraeg
Hon 'n debygol ewigod mo gwna unrhyw bwyll

[Cwmbran]

I saw someone with a german word, foobar(or summit like that)
This is actually offensive in germany.
That has absolutely nothing to do with British Languages...

[Spherical]

Be careful, I got acussed of sarcasm, rudeness and racism for posts like that from these people.

If you want a forum that bad for languages then PM ---MAD---, and i will look forward to using my online translator to join in with your welsh conversations

Gwna mo cara 'r Cymraeg
Hon 'n debygol ewigod mo gwna unrhyw bwyll

Translated: Do not I love ' group Welsh This ' heartburn likely hinds not do any sense

:)

[JackHb]

Translated: Do not I love ' group Welsh This ' heartburn likely hinds not do any sense

:)

Aha! I see you are a Welsh speaker!

[Lycan]

Translated: Do not I love ' group Welsh This ' heartburn likely hinds not do any sense

:)


Go to the Chemist...

[jrh2002]

It seems to me jrh2002 would have a problem with people communicating in other languages as you could not understand them and you do not want to be left out.


I am quite good at speaking a few proper languages but not something taught over a cauldron at the back of a cave.

in the rules the word english is used because the majority of the uk speak english, and it's english that is taught in other countries/Places outside England therefore anyone from abroad visiting the uk hotel, would need to adapt to speaking english.

[Lycan]

I am quite good at speaking a few proper languages but not something taught over a cauldron at the back of a cave.

in the rules the word english is used because the majority of the uk speak english, and it's english that is taught in other countries/Places outside England therefore anyone from abroad visiting the uk hotel, would need to adapt to speaking english.



I didn't realise that you thought the welsh speakers were caludren dwellers....

[Cwmbran]

Translated: Do not I love ' group Welsh This ' heartburn likely hinds not do any sense

:)

Online translators do not re-arrange the words for you, as English is backwards too Welsh for example if I was too say, "Hey how are you?" in Welsh it would look like something like this "Hey you are how?"


Originally posted by jrh2002
I am quite good at speaking a few proper languages but not something taught over a cauldron at the back of a cave.



You are rather pathetic, you accuse me of trying to start arguments by finding flaws in the rules then you go and post something like that, isn't part of your job as Habbox staff to respect other people and their opinions? Infact thats what anyone should do.

[Ella]

I am quite good at speaking a few proper languages but not something taught over a cauldron at the back of a cave.

in the rules the word english is used because the majority of the uk speak english, and it's english that is taught in other countries/Places outside England therefore anyone from abroad visiting the uk hotel, would need to adapt to speaking english.


And of course when English was being taught in the first place, it was in nicely sterilised schools? :rolleyes:

Edit: Cwmbran has a very good point there.

[Davii]

Im sure more people in england speak like indian than welsh so should we let people speak that aswell ?

[jrh2002]

Online translators do not re-arrange the words for you, as English is backwards too Welsh for example if I was too say, "Hey how are you?" in Welsh it would look like something like this "Hey you are how?"



You are rather pathetic, you accuse me of trying to start arguments by finding flaws in the rules then you go and post something like that, isn't part of your job as Habbox staff to respect other people and their opinions? Infact thats what anyone should do.


I love being pathetic especially when it cheers you up so much :eusa_danc

I am giving you my personal opinion and its nothing to do with my habbox job ;) I have respect for lots of people but none who are talking total **** like you.

[JackHb]

You are rather pathetic, you accuse me of trying to start arguments by finding flaws in the rules then you go and post something like that, isn't part of your job as Habbox staff to respect other people and their opinions? Infact thats what anyone should do.


He has been called rude, sarcastic, racist and now your calling him pathetic!
He hasn't done anything wrong. So what he made a joke about couldrens, he could of said a lot worse. Has he called you any of those names?
Just because some staff are robots with no opinions doesn't mean everyone is. If he can be accused of being rude,sarcastic,racist,pathetic then why can't he say those things?

[Lycan]

I love being pathetic especially when it cheers you up so much :eusa_danc

I am giving you my personal opinion and its nothing to do with my habbox job ;) I have respect for lots of people but none who are talking total **** like you.


Is he talking... what i shall imagine you meant as rubbish because of the way hes saying things (swearing, being aggressive... like other members which i could include you in)

or because he wants a simple rule changed to allow him to Speak welsh at times without the risk of getting infracted or banned?

[Davii]

I still don't really see any need for anyone to speak welsh on the forum, whats wrong with english ?

[Ella]

By saying 'I speak a few proper languages but not something taught over a cauldron at the back of a cave'

It suggests that Welsh and Gaelic are not proper. And could be quite insulting actually. I think the point was that you are meant to setting some sort of example and not insult people, their culture or language.

[JackHb]

I still don't really see any need for anyone to speak welsh on the forum, whats wrong with english ?

I agree with both your posts.

[Lycan]

I still don't really see any need for anyone to speak welsh on the forum, whats wrong with english ?

The idea is to be allowed to speak welsh (and other british languages) not to actually do it. and you have to remember just because you don't doesn't mean others don't also, including potential new Welsh, English, Scottish and overall any new British members

[Davii]

But why do you want to speak welsh, you don't need to do it atall ?? :S

[Ella]

But why do you want to speak welsh, you don't need to do it atall ?? :S

I don't need to alot of things. Doesnt meant I don't WANT to. :)

[Lycan]

But why do you want to speak welsh, you don't need to do it atall ?? :S

don't need to post on the forum at all but we do...

[Cwmbran]

He has been called rude, sarcastic, racist and now your calling him pathetic!
He hasn't done anything wrong. So what he made a joke about couldrens, he could of said a lot worse. Has he called you any of those names?
Just because some staff are robots with no opinions doesn't mean everyone is. If he can be accused of being rude,sarcastic,racist,pathetic then why can't he say those things?

Because he is being incredibly immature, nobody supporting this rule change has been immature while posting.

And here is another prime example.

I love being pathetic especially when it cheers you up so much :eusa_danc

I am giving you my personal opinion and its nothing to do with my habbox job ;) I have respect for lots of people but none who are talking total **** like you.

[JackHb]

Because he is being incredibly immature, nobody supporting this rule change has been immature while posting.

And here is another prime example.

Okay im getting slightly worried now, do you happen to live in a bubble in the outside world?
I am on edge what to say to you (Not really), as everything we do say is an insult!

[Ella]

Originally Posted by jrh2002
I love being pathetic especially when it cheers you up so much

I am giving you my personal opinion and its nothing to do with my habbox job I have respect for lots of people but none who are talking total **** like you.


HOLY BEEJEEBLES BATMAN! He's discussing and talking about something....on a forum of all places :O
Quick somebody do something?

Excuse this outburst...but it does have a value.

Is this not the point of a forum?
And how exactly is he talking in stars? :)

[Cwmbran]

Okay im getting slightly worried now, do you happen to live in a bubble in the outside world?
I am on edge what to say to you (Not really), as everything we do say is an insult!

I have not said you have offended me, infact you have not really been immature, I can clearly see when you are joking or not.

jrh on the other hand has been immature through out his posts, and has came here to start an argument.

[JackHb]

I have not said you have offended me, infact you have not really been immature, I can clearly see when you are joking or not.

jrh on the other hand has been immature through out his posts, and has came here to start an argument.

Its a welsh thing see, you can relate to me! But i am half English.
Anyway this thread has made the past hour pass quickly so now i am off to bed! :eusa_danc

No hard feelings :D (Even though that Ella kind of scares me, serious.)

[Cwmbran]

Its a welsh thing see, you can relate to me! But i am half English.
Anyway this thread has made the past hour pass quickly so now i am off to bed! :eusa_danc

No hard feelings :D (Even though that Ella kind of scares me, serious.)

Lol, they do say all Welsh people are related somehow which is kind of scary.
I enjoy a good debate passes time fast, but enough about that now we need to stay on topic.

[Lycan]

Its a welsh thing see, you can relate to me! But i am half English.
Anyway this thread has made the past hour pass quickly so now i am off to bed! :eusa_danc

No hard feelings :D (Even though that Ella kind of scares me, serious.)

Nice to see my Gf can scare you :)

[Spherical]

Pfft. Ella is the most unscariest person I know :]

[GommeInc]

The whole rule is stupid anyway. It's pointless, what could they possibly post which means little to management/moderators in any language which could be picked up by a regular member? Besides, when that rule came out, it was against the rule which said something like "respect others beliefs and culture etc etc." I guess they removed that eventually...

If you want to break imaginary rules, however, you can start by posting rude images or words in your signatures and avatars, as there is no rule against it ;) It's one of the things I've noticed that Habbox haven't jotted down.

[Cwmbran]

The whole rule is stupid anyway. It's pointless, what could they possibly post which means little to management/moderators in any language which could be picked up by a regular member? Besides, when that rule came out, it was against the rule which said something like "respect others beliefs and culture etc etc." I guess they removed that eventually...

If you want to break imaginary rules, however, you can start by posting rude images or words in your signatures and avatars, as there is no rule against it ;) It's one of the things I've noticed that Habbox haven't jotted down.

Probably one of the most sensible posts I've seen tonight, +Rep.

They would have to remove the rule about beliefs and cultures to enforce this rule, as not being able to talk in your own language on an online forum would be disrespectful.

[GommeInc]

I don't believe a member of the management has given a proper reason for that rule, because I can't think of a reason "/

[nvrspk4]

I'll start off by saying that its nearly 1 so I skipped from page 7 to 11.

First of all, some of you seriously need to grow up. Not naming names, but why in the name of god do some of you feel the inherent need to argue about something just to find a problem with the current system. Is being content so wrong?

It seems to me that this issue is more about the ideology of it than the actual practicality. We should have the right to speak Welsh, not that we have the need to. The only need I can personally think of to speak a foreign language is for school. Wait...there's a forum specifically for that :eusa_wall

Its completely pointless to hire moderators for the sole purpose of allowing people to speak languages. In all honesty, I see no reason why Welsh would be required for the board to be able to function. I realize its an official language, but as a private operation we have the right to request that you speak in English. I have played online games based in Germany and Austria that require you to speak in English, because its a universal language.


The rule should be changed to this:

A33. Do not post on the forum using a different language unless you post the English translation alongside it.

Yeah I know, people could swear and everything in a foreign language and then not bother to translate it properly, but at least it's a compromise x).


If that rule implementation was really necessary, and someone could prove a real need, I would say add on "deliberately posting a false translation will result in a ban of 7 days or longer." Harsh, yes, but its something that shouldn't be excusable. You wouldn't fake it for any other reason, and there's no reason for you to deliberately mistranslate.


No it is not pointless, I'm pretty sure that most or even all of the Welsh members on this forum can speak/read Welsh and if they are planning on studying it at GCSE or A Level then it would benefit them (In all Welsh Schools it is compulsory for students upto and including year 9 to take part in Welsh lessons), also I have many English friends that would love to be able to speak Welsh.

There is a languages subforum for you to discuss Welsh in classes and even to start up a thread allowing people to learn Welsh.



If I wanted to insult someone that could not speak Welsh I would post it in a language they do understand, and if they did understood Welsh then they would be able too report the post with an accurate translation of it then a Moderator could check it with an online translator.

Actually, the reason the rule was implemented was because people had found a new way to circumvent the moderators, foreign languages. You didn't see it much, but there were some very nasty things thrown around. If anyone remembers that HxHD thread a while back, I think you'll get an idea of what I mean.


nor sure why they dont hire specalised language moderators or dare i ask... are the Managment biased towards english speaking countries

Yes, we are biased towards English speaking countries :D Is there a problem with that based on the fact that we are a community based in English speaking countries? I don't mean to be confrontational, I simply don't see the point you're trying to make :P


It seems like the feedback forums have turned in to a place where people find the smallest faults to try and cause arguments. :O

There are some legitimate topics, but sometimes that is what happens unfortunately.


Why should I join a Welsh forum, this is a British forum I should be allowed to speak my own language which is an Official British Language.
You obviously don't know how to work translators correctly, or your using a rubbish one.

No need to be rude. Why do you have the need to speak it? And also, you don't have that ingrained right, because this is a private establishment. As soon as you enter the forums, you give up some of your rights to a reasonable extent to the regulations of the forum. Sort of like school, where you give up half your rights to free speech when you walk in the door.


I don't believe a member of the management has given a proper reason for that rule, because I can't think of a reason "/

Insults were thrown around, and though nobody remembers them, we were dealing with a large number of people insulting others in obscure languages, where they knew no words beyond primal insults.

[---MAD---]

I don't believe a member of the management has given a proper reason for that rule, because I can't think of a reason "/
Because this is an english speaking forum were all the staff speak english. You cannot possibly expect a moderator to sit in a translation site/program and first try to find what language the person is speaking in then find the translation for it. Translation programs are not accurate anyway and its just a waste of time.

It is far simpler this way and makes life easier. There are plenty of forums that have this rule.

[Galaxay1]

http://habboxforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=59

If you seriously need to post in a different langauge.

[Lycan]

http://habboxforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=59

If you seriously need to post in a different langauge.


Yes but according to the rules which he wants changed the minute he posts in another language he has broken a rule

[Galaxay1]

It states unless posted in Foreign Langauges Forum.

"A33. Do not post on the forum using a different language. - Posting in any language other than English is not allowed (this does not apply to coding languages in the web design forums). There are some exceptions such as "Merci", "Au revoir", "Bonjour", "Ciao" or any other well known basic words. This rule does not apply to the foreign languages (http://www.habboxforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=59) forum nor VIP sub-forums."

[Lycan]

It states unless posted in Foreign Langauges Forum.

Which relates to an educational topic...

[Galaxay1]

I seriously dont see why else you'd need to post in a foreign langauge on an english forum? :S

[Lycan]

I seriously dont see why else you'd need to post in a foreign langauge on an english forum? :S

because the World... and especially the Uk (as this is a Uk forum) doesn't just speak English.

[today]

If you don't see the point of people talking in another British Language then why be so paranoid about it?

Also, I do not see why I and other British citizens can not post on a British Forum in their national language, so therefore I shall not "bugger off".I dont give tow ***** if its a "british language" its not one i understand thus its not British in my eyes.


You dont see the point. But quite a few others do... Its not just about you. We're talking about catering for everyone in the UK
and we've already talked about if the translation was found to be very inaccurate the poster would be warned ect. And it would only be in a select forum. Its like I don't understand coding, but its still there. I just ignore that forum. :)
The coding is down to 'website language' i dont agree with it much but its one of the most active forums so it used often, along with as said why should mods check what the posts mean its wasting time and i wouldnt want to.


Be careful, I got acussed of sarcasm, rudeness and racism for posts like that from these people.

If you want a forum that bad for languages then PM ---MAD---, and i will look forward to using my online translator to join in with your welsh conversations

Gwna mo cara 'r Cymraeg
Hon 'n debygol ewigod mo gwna unrhyw bwyll
Lol, wow, they take it way too real then.

[Galaxay1]

If they cant read english then they cant register? So clearly wont be using the forum.

[GommeInc]

Thus with an English speaking forum, you get English speaking members who will be just as confused as moderators/management. Besides, saying every word in a foreign language will be used as flaming can be considered slightly racism for a member. They could be expressing their feelings using their own language in a beautiful and poetic way "/


Bonjour monsieurs et madames!

Editted by Moderator - NO FOREIGNERS

Habbox has this rule which allows you to post off topic when you are replying to a post that is gradually off topic, but it is considered on topic for a thread as a whole. WHy can't someone post off topic in a foreign language. It's hardly bad and just seems like management are taking away one freedom. What if you want to describe a French/German/Russian review on something? Will that be off topic too?

[Galaxay1]

It wouldnt be Edited saying no foreigners, it would simply be speak english or "Please dont post using foreign lanauges if you wish to post in languages forum" or something along those lines :P

[GommeInc]

It wouldnt be Edited saying no foreigners, it would simply be speak english or "Please dont post using foreign lanauges if you wish to post in languages forum" or something along those lines :P
I prefer my way, but that's pretty much what Habbox is saying :P

Besides, why bother translating it when obvious rude words would be picked out later on in discussion? It's like normal forum behaviour, if you say something rude and offensive to a member, they will tell a Moderator or a moderator will deal with it when there is a huge argument arising. It does no damage "/

[Galaxay1]

If they wished to they may be able to post different langauges on HabboxWORLD forum? Im assuming they would as its for the WORLD not just English speaking countrys. (I never use HxW so dont know rules etc)

[GommeInc]

HabboxWorld is Habbox's most pointless forum. Besides, why be prejudice against members wanting to be on this forum wihch is probably more interesting and has a higher member rate than HabboxWorld?

[Exelglug]

I think it shouldnt be rewritten, and i tell you why. Ok, welsh, gaelic e.t.c are a language used in the UK, but not all english speaking people understand Gaelic or welsh. To my knowledge, most people from Wales, Ireland and Scotland can speak relatively good English, so i think its best if just English is used. No offence to people who speak a language other than English, its just my opinion anyway

[Galaxay1]

HabboxWorld is clearly for the world though, this is UK, nearly everyone in the UK speaks english if they dont they will obviously have problems registering as registering is in english, i see no reason to need to post in another langauge unless attempting to insult someone without being infractioned (even though you will would be atm)

[GommeInc]

- Posting quotes which are in another language and translating them.
- Posting quotes in another language which mean alot to you.
- Posting news from another country which people may find an interest in.

If people use another language to insult another, it would be wasted effort, because no one will know what one earth they are attempting to say AND it would not cause arguments any differently than being rude or offensive in English? Why? Because this forum takes action when an argument breaks out. Something mildly rude is ignored unless great offense is taking from it. So posting in another language isn't a worry "/ Especially when a minority will know what they're on about.

[Lycan]

HabboxWorld is clearly for the world though, this is UK, nearly everyone in the UK speaks english if they dont they will obviously have problems registering as registering is in english, i see no reason to need to post in another langauge unless attempting to insult someone without being infractioned (even though you will would be atm)


Uhhh, not sure what shell you've been hiding under but not everyone in the Uk speaks Englsih :)

[Galaxay1]

I never said they did the majority of UK people speak english.

[Lycan]

I never said they did the majority of UK people speak english.

"Nearly Everyone" is what you said... when infact that is not true... and are people not allowed a second language?

[Galaxay1]

They are allowed a second langauge, where did i state you're not allowed a second langauge? I didnt, i'm simply saying just because you know a second langauge DOESNT mean you need to post it, where obviously someone has abused it before for the rule to be implemented in the first place?

[Lycan]

They are allowed a second langauge, where did i state you're not allowed a second langauge? I didnt, i'm simply saying just because you know a second langauge DOESNT mean you need to post it, where obviously someone has abused it before for the rule to be implemented in the first place?


Ahhhh thats right start assuming things.... try and bring a bad name to thoose who speak a language other then English...

[Exelglug]

People can have a second language, just the forum states that english should be used cause most people understand it. If people wanted to speak a different language on the forum, most people wouldnt understand it if they speak english. I think that alot of people also can speak either French, German, Italien or Spanish or even more than one cuz those are the mains ones taught at school/college. But still, there are younger people under 10 who go on this forum, and they wont be able to understand these languages. So for the sake of the younger users, English should be the only language used.

[Galaxay1]

Hardly, if you dont speak english / understand it you cant register / have problems registered


If you can speak it along with other langauges, you dont need to post in another langauge



The rule is obviously implemented for a reason and not for the sake of adding a random rule. So clearly someone has abused it in the past and deserves to be ther.

[jrh2002]

Its not a no foreigners forum at all :s theres users from all over the world as long as they can speak english.

I seem to have been called racist over my cauldron and cave post :O I was reffering to the fact that it was back in those days (100s of years ago) that the welsh language was used properly.

According to the 2001 census results 582,368 persons age 3 and over were able to speak Welsh – 20.8% of the population. (Even welsh on a welsh forum would struggle to understand their own language)

I lived in north wales for a year and the only time I came accross anybody speaking welsh was in little villages which resembled being at the black country museum (its a place where its like going back in time if you did'nt know also because I mention the word black I am not being racist)

After a think there would be no problem to me if people posted in english and then below said what language they were translating it to. (they must love typing everything out twice.) but just to post in any randon language without any exact translation is very wrong.

[Catzsy]

Its not a no foreigners forum at all :s theres users from all over the world as long as they can speak english.

I seem to have been called racist over my cauldron and cave post :O I was reffering to the fact that it was back in those days (100s of years ago) that the welsh language was used properly.

According to the 2001 census results 582,368 persons age 3 and over were able to speak Welsh – 20.8% of the population. (Even welsh on a welsh forum would struggle to understand their own language)

I lived in north wales for a year and the only time I came accross anybody speaking welsh was in little villages which resembled being at the black country museum (its a place where its like going back in time if you did'nt know also because I mention the word black I am not being racist)

After a think there would be no problem to me if people posted in english and then below said what language they were translating it to. (they must love typing everything out twice.) but just to post in any randon language without any exact translation is very wrong.


Totally agree and its only that high because it is mandatory that children are tought Welsh in schools - parents do not have a choice in the matter. I don't mind genuine welsh speakers protecting their langugae and heritage but it is a case of the minority ruling in Wales as far as the language is concerned.

[Ella]

What is the major issue with there being a small area of Habbox Forum where people can speak in Welsh, Irish Gaelic or Scottish Gaelic?
Particulary if there were translations in English also posted?
We're not talking about having the whole of the forum populated with Welsh or Gaelics posts, but a small area where they can talk about anything. Thus not related to Education.
Does it not occur to you that because other forums does not offer this that you'd be accomadating your users needs? And may pull in the other people who would like to talk in Welsh or Gaelic.
You have come up with issues. We have come up with solutions. (e.g. Not knowing what it means - post the translation).
It occurs to me the only reason you are fighting this so much is that YOU don't speak them. If we had an area of Habbox where people could speak them maybe you could learn. :)

[Ella]

[quote=Catzsy;3989447]Totally agree and its only that high because it is mandatory that children are tought Welsh in schools - parents do not have a choice in the matter. [quote]

And what about the people outwith Wales who WANT to learn and speak it? They do exist. :rolleyes:

Edited by opensourcehost (Forum Super Moderator): Please do not multiple post.

[Lycan]

Hardly, if you dont speak english / understand it you cant register / have problems registered


If you can speak it along with other langauges, you dont need to post in another langauge



The rule is obviously implemented for a reason and not for the sake of adding a random rule. So clearly someone has abused it in the past and deserves to be ther.

Well by the same reasoning, your in this world i must assume that your parrents broke a condom, but that of course probebly isnt true, i'd instead try and research what it was before making a statement.

(please note that was an example and not an attack at you)

The forum rule should be changed to allow british languages, such as Welsh and Celtic. if you have a problem with people speaking in theese two langauges then don't post in there threads, otherwise i'll just assume you don't like it for the sake of not liking as there is no real reason to stop people speaking a British language on a British forum other then lazyness of members and staff

[PappaLou]

Lets look at it this way;

Places in the UK have slang words for swear words, and translators don't know the meaning of these slang words.

So, lets take myself, i can speak near-fluent italian, i know slang in italian alone for swear words that a translator doesn't know as it is a word not in the italian dictionary :P

So if a mod wanted to check a slang word in italian, if they went to a translator it wouldn't work as that slang word isn't in the dictionary, therefore isn't on a translator, so they don't know wherever to get rid or not.

9/10 translators these days are messed up anyway -.- none of them translate properly

[GommeInc]

Lets look at it this way;

Places in the UK have slang words for swear words, and translators don't know the meaning of these slang words.

So, lets take myself, i can speak near-fluent italian, i know slang in italian alone for swear words that a translator doesn't know as it is a word not in the italian dictionary :P

So if a mod wanted to check a slang word in italian, if they went to a translator it wouldn't work as that slang word isn't in the dictionary, therefore isn't on a translator, so they don't know wherever to get rid or not.

9/10 translators these days are messed up anyway -.- none of them translate properly
Ah but you haven't looked at the bigger picture. Not many people will have a clue what you are talking about, especially Italian slang so if you say rude phrases, no one will take much notice. It's only until someone says "Ain't that rude?", then action will be taken much like if you use slang English to describe something rude "/

[Ella]

Ah but you haven't looked at the bigger picture. Not many people will have a clue what you are talking about, especially Italian slang so if you say rude phrases, no one will take much notice. It's only until someone says "Ain't that rude?", then action will be taken much like if you use slang English to describe something rude "/

Most the people who want to say something rude, are going to say it in English, and I'm not sure Gaelic have words as such - as they're more traditional, If I make up slang in Gaelic, twill only be me who understands it. Not sure about Welsh.
But that happens in English too. A few years ago when a student teacher told me I had 'sexual boots' I thought he was a complete creep. Unawares that he came from Glasgow and it meant cool up there. I did ask him about this, he was very apologetic and chose his words more carefully after that.

Tis a good point though I have to admit :(

[Catzsy]

[quote=Catzsy;3989447]Totally agree and its only that high because it is mandatory that children are tought Welsh in schools - parents do not have a choice in the matter. [quote]

And what about the people outwith Wales who WANT to learn and speak it? They do exist. :rolleyes:

Yes and they have every opportunity to do so - I live in Wales and speak welsh but there is an inordinate amount of emphasis on it and it has been shown in this thread. Much more coverage than its popularity and usage deserves. You can use it in the education thread so perhaps ask there? I remember when this rule came in - it was because somebody was being very offensive and 'avoiding the filter' in Spanish. I am not saying the rule is right because I did catch the member with a translator but to make such a fuss about this language is going right over the top. I doubt if more than 5 members can speak it. :)

[Lycan]

[quote=Ella;3989996][quote=Catzsy;3989447]Totally agree and its only that high because it is mandatory that children are tought Welsh in schools - parents do not have a choice in the matter.

Yes and they have every opportunity to do so - I live in Wales and speak welsh but there is an inordinate amount of emphasis on it and it has been shown in this thread. Much more coverage than its popularity and usage deserves. You can use it in the education thread so perhaps ask there? I remember when this rule came in - it was because somebody was being very offensive and 'avoiding the filter' in Spanish. I am not saying the rule is right because I did catch the member with a translator but to make such a fuss about this language is going right over the top. I doubt if more than 5 members can speak it. :)

So if it is just 5 members theres no real harm in changing the rule from English language to British National languages, Welsh and Celtic... no harm if its just 5?...

[Cwmbran]

What is the major issue with there being a small area of Habbox Forum where people can speak in Welsh, Irish Gaelic or Scottish Gaelic?
Particulary if there were translations in English also posted?
We're not talking about having the whole of the forum populated with Welsh or Gaelics posts, but a small area where they can talk about anything. Thus not related to Education.
Does it not occur to you that because other forums does not offer this that you'd be accomadating your users needs? And may pull in the other people who would like to talk in Welsh or Gaelic.
You have come up with issues. We have come up with solutions. (e.g. Not knowing what it means - post the translation).
It occurs to me the only reason you are fighting this so much is that YOU don't speak them. If we had an area of Habbox where people could speak them maybe you could learn. :)
Just too add onto your post the Admin's will not change the rule because they believe they would need to hire new moderators that are fluent in the language being spoken which is completely false.
Very good post, +Rep.





According to the 2001 census results 582,368 persons age 3 and over were able to speak Welsh – 20.8% of the population. (Even welsh on a welsh forum would struggle to understand their own language)
After a think there would be no problem to me if people posted in english and then below said what language they were translating it to. (they must love typing everything out twice.) but just to post in any randon language without any exact translation is very wrong.
That 20.8% is only the people that speak Welsh on a daily basis and are fluent in the language, I would say about 60% of all Welsh people can speak some Welsh.
That is what I and others want to happen, as Ella has been saying throughout her post's people would post translations and I for one am happy to do that if I was allowed to talk in another British Language.

[GommeInc]

It has come to my attention that Habbox Management/Administrators think that everyone can speak any language and understand it fully, while they can't nor can their staff or moderators.

[nvrspk4]

One point I want to make. What possible purpose is there for speaking in a certain language that you cannot do in the English language? If you simply want to excersize your right to speak Welsh, no, that's not a solid enough reason for us to change the rules. As much as we try to work with our members, I see no valid reason for us to change the rules, and subject our moderators to extra work simply because people want to excersize a right that has no functionality other than existing in and of itself.

Until someone can prove that there is a specific reason why certain things need to be posted in Welsh that could not be properly communicated or simply could not be posted in English for a valid reason, I doubt a rule change will even be considered.

I know it sounds harsh, but I'm getting a bit exasperated. HabboxForum members have gotten this interesting trait to argue something on the basis that they can, and they have the right to criticize everything they can type, and because they can, they will. They also seem to think that they should have all rights, even if there is no functionality, or there are disadvantages, simply because they should have the right, whether the idea itself is functional or not. This forum is not a forum for the appreciation of cultures, or to facilitate a multilingual community. This is to facilitate the community of a fansite for an English-based online virtual-world.


because the World... and especially the Uk (as this is a Uk forum) doesn't just speak English.

If the world doesn't speak English, how will they use Habbo.co.uk? If they don't use (or never used to use) Habbo.co.uk, why would they use HabboxForum? Plus, the majority of the world can speak English. Why, you seem to be pretty fluent in it yourself ;)


Habbox has this rule which allows you to post off topic when you are replying to a post that is gradually off topic, but it is considered on topic for a thread as a whole. WHy can't someone post off topic in a foreign language. It's hardly bad and just seems like management are taking away one freedom. What if you want to describe a French/German/Russian review on something? Will that be off topic too?

If you want to describe a French German or Russian review, such as a magazine article? Why can't you simply plug it into a translator yourself then? Apparently its so ridiculously easy :P


- Posting quotes which are in another language and translating them.
- Posting quotes in another language which mean alot to you.
- Posting news from another country which people may find an interest in.

If people use another language to insult another, it would be wasted effort, because no one will know what one earth they are attempting to say AND it would not cause arguments any differently than being rude or offensive in English? Why? Because this forum takes action when an argument breaks out. Something mildly rude is ignored unless great offense is taking from it. So posting in another language isn't a worry "/ Especially when a minority will know what they're on about.

It is a wasted effort, I agree. Does that mean people don't do it? Of course not. Scamming to obtain virtual pixels is completely pointless and a wasted effort. Are there scammers on the hotel? Of course. I personally have been insulted in German slang, and the translators actually wouldn't do it for me, I have a German friend and I had to wait about 4 hours before I could even get a proper translation when he came online. So yes, people do do it, it was happening rather often when the rule was imposed. Also, bullying could take place, where two people criticize a third, or whatnot. We have to be able to monitor *EVERYTHING* that goes on, because there's always a chance that we're liable.


Ahhhh thats right start assuming things.... try and bring a bad name to thoose who speak a language other then English...

That's blowing things out of proportion IMO.


What is the major issue with there being a small area of Habbox Forum where people can speak in Welsh, Irish Gaelic or Scottish Gaelic?

There is the languages forum. What is the major reason for having a forum for those languages, apart from simply having the right to use it? It seems that you're not arguing for it, you're simply countering arguments against it. You still haven't provided us with a concrete reason to do something about it. We don't act on things where the reasoning is "well I don't see why we shouldn't", we act on things where we have a rational "This is why we should."


Particulary if there were translations in English also posted?
We're not talking about having the whole of the forum populated with Welsh or Gaelics posts, but a small area where they can talk about anything. Thus not related to Education.

Why? What is the need to talk in Gaelic, apart from simply being able to? After all, as great as the language is, this isn't a forum to celebrate the Gaelic tongue.


Does it not occur to you that because other forums does not offer this that you'd be accomadating your users needs? And may pull in the other people who would like to talk in Welsh or Gaelic.

It does occur to us that some five members are arguing for it. Maybe a few more. It does also occur to us that an equal amount, if not a greater amount, are arguing against it.


You have come up with issues. We have come up with solutions. (e.g. Not knowing what it means - post the translation).

You still haven't come up with a reason. In debate they call this issues inherent within the status quo - what's wrong with the current status quo.


It occurs to me the only reason you are fighting this so much is that YOU don't speak them. If we had an area of Habbox where people could speak them maybe you could learn. :)

The Education forum is perfectly acceptable for teaching and learning languages ;)



Totally agree and its only that high because it is mandatory that children are tought Welsh in schools - parents do not have a choice in the matter.

And what about the people outwith Wales who WANT to learn and speak it? They do exist. :rolleyes:

That's great that they exist, but this isn't a place for them to come to celebrate the Welsh tongue. They could learn it in the language forums, or get tutored by someone over MSN. But this isn't a place for people wanting to learn Welsh to flock, because that isn't, and never will be, our target audience.


The forum rule should be changed to allow british languages, such as Welsh and Celtic. if you have a problem with people speaking in theese two langauges then don't post in there threads, otherwise i'll just assume you don't like it for the sake of not liking as there is no real reason to stop people speaking a British language on a British forum other then lazyness of members and staff

That's out of order to basically attempt to exile counterpoints from your thread. Just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't eradicate their right to an opinion, whether right or wrong by your principles. I have the power to ban you from this thread, heck, to ban you from this whole forum for opposing my opinion like you attempted to do just now. Do I excersize it? Of course not. I wouldn't ever ban you for expressing an opinion contrary to mine (as long as, of course, its within the rules.)


Lets look at it this way;

Places in the UK have slang words for swear words, and translators don't know the meaning of these slang words.

So, lets take myself, i can speak near-fluent italian, i know slang in italian alone for swear words that a translator doesn't know as it is a word not in the italian dictionary :P

So if a mod wanted to check a slang word in italian, if they went to a translator it wouldn't work as that slang word isn't in the dictionary, therefore isn't on a translator, so they don't know wherever to get rid or not.

9/10 translators these days are messed up anyway -.- none of them translate properly

That's a terrific point. If anyone knows the Google translator trick..."Monica's mama..." it illustrates the point. It even illustrates how moderators using translators could get something bad out of something innocent. Half the job of the moderators is interpretation, to decide whether the circumstances surrounding the post and the context of the post make it an actual violation of the rules. It becomes very difficult ot enforce that when they are depending on a highly flawed translator.


So if it is just 5 members theres no real harm in changing the rule from English language to British National languages, Welsh and Celtic... no harm if its just 5?...

There is no harm perhaps (there is, but for the sake of argument, lets say there isn't), but there's also no reason. We aren't going to create a forum for five people to use. There are other outlets. PMs, MSN, a foreign Habbo, your own chatroom, whatever. But we still have not been provided with a reason to make the change suggested other than simply to give you the right. What is the need for that right?


It has come to my attention that Habbox Management/Administrators think that everyone can speak any language and understand it fully, while they can't nor can their staff or moderators.

Where do you get that? Also, if we believed everyone could speak any language and fully understand it...we would allow other languages, would we not? The majority of the world does speak, at the very least, limited English however.

[Catzsy]

[QUOTE=Cwmbran;3990922]Just too add onto your post the Admin's will not change the rule because they believe they would need to hire new moderators that are fluent in the language being spoken which is completely false.
Very good post, +Rep.


[/LIST] [LIST=1]
That 20.8% is only the people that speak Welsh on a daily basis and are fluent in the language, I would say about 60% of all Welsh people can speak some Welsh.

LOL:) Tell me how you have come to these figures? These figures include the entire Welsh school children population from the age of 4 - 14 and very few actually have welsh as their first language and would not learn it unless it was compulsory. They do not use it at home or outside the classroom. I think you have plucked 60% as a figure out of the sky and I am sure the whole forum can say a German or French phrase but it doesn't mean they are using the language in any meaningful way.

NVR was right - you have just bought the Welsh Language argument onto this board. Its bad enough having thrust down your throat in Wales by a constantly whining minority who get on the rest of the population's nerves.

[sierk1]

For practical reasons and also because I think it is important for the idea of a community I want everybody who uses this forum to be able to read all posts. Therefore we decided on english as the standard language. There is no other alternative that we can consider, as english is the only language that (almost) everybody in the uk (and also big parts of the rest of the world) speaks.

If a lot of our users prefer that we don't forbid other languages, and let people post in any language they like, we can consider that. Personally I think it would be very annoying for our users to randomly come across posts in threads that they cannot understand, and I also don't see a need for it as I assume that everybody who uses this forum understands english. But if we do keep to one language only, it has to be english.

[-Xiangu-]

agreed with sierk +rep

[GommeInc]

If you want to describe a French German or Russian review, such as a magazine article? Why can't you simply plug it into a translator yourself then? Apparently its so ridiculously easy :P
And makes about as much sense as a cat wearing a clowns outfit in a tumble dryer :rolleyes: It's easier to post the main section of the review which you can recognise, and posting it on the forum and having a discussion on what it is about, with the obvious main parts translated by you to begin with.


It is a wasted effort, I agree. Does that mean people don't do it? Of course not. Scamming to obtain virtual pixels is completely pointless and a wasted effort. Are there scammers on the hotel? Of course. I personally have been insulted in German slang, and the translators actually wouldn't do it for me, I have a German friend and I had to wait about 4 hours before I could even get a proper translation when he came online. So yes, people do do it, it was happening rather often when the rule was imposed. Also, bullying could take place, where two people criticize a third, or whatnot. We have to be able to monitor *EVERYTHING* that goes on, because there's always a chance that we're liable.
There's a problem with this. With scamming, anyone can understand and fall into it, while speaking a foreign language is something only a minority will understand. The only similarity is that you have to be stupid to be scammed or use a language not many will understand. I don't see why you make the exception to stop people speaking in foreign languages, when you can't even stop people insulting each other in English. I would of thought stopping foreign languages would be the least of your troubles. May I ask, was this insult on this forum on in real life, because if it was on the forum, you could of simply of dealt with it without waiting...

What I have noticed is, when there are insults chucked about, they are dealt with after the first insult has been broken out, so why can't you deal with any foreign languages when an insult has been taken, like you would with normal forum life?


Where do you get that? Also, if we believed everyone could speak any language and fully understand it...we would allow other languages, would we not? The majority of the world does speak, at the very least, limited English however.
Tis obvious. You've made it that way by having the whole argument in the first place. When someone posts something in french, german etc, you immediately think it is an insult, when it could be something understandable when given an explaination. And if everyone did speak any other language, you still wouldn't give them such a right because for some illogical reason, Management, staff and moderators can't speak a word of French, German etc. Besides, it's all an insult by the looks of how the rule has effected staff.

I don't see why you can't allow foreign language, because they do no harm, but if they do, simply remove the text "/

I can see why some people who left Habbox disagree with how tight the restrictions are.

[Ella]

If the world doesn't speak English, how will they use Habbo.co.uk? If they don't use (or never used to use) Habbo.co.uk, why would they use HabboxForum? Plus, the majority of the world can speak English. Why, you seem to be pretty fluent in it yourself ;)

I don't use Habbo.co.uk - I use Habbox Forum, but I ignore the Habbo related stuff. Just like I normally skim past the the webdesigner related stuff.

And a reason? We want to, it would help younger members (who perhaps have to learn Welsh/Gaelic) become more fluent by talking in it, within a discussion type situation. Rather than the often rigid way they would be taught it. So you could have a nice warm fuzzy feeling inside that you were helping educate, by having a small forum for Welsh and Gaelic speakers. :)

[Cwmbran]

LOL:) Tell me how you have come to these figures? These figures include the entire Welsh school children population from the age of 4 - 14 and very few actually have welsh as their first language and would not learn it unless it was compulsory. They do not use it at home or outside the classroom. I think you have plucked 60% as a figure out of the sky and I am sure the whole forum can say a German or French phrase but it doesn't mean they are using the language in any meaningful way.


As you said I "plucked them from the sky" if you take into account that I said "about 60% of Welsh people know some Welsh" I did not say that they could all speak it, or have conversations using it. Infact 60% could be an under estimate, as most Welsh people know the Welsh national anthem.

[Earthquake]

I know what you mean, My chinese name got removed :(

[Catzsy]

As you said I "plucked them from the sky" if you take into account that I said "about 60% of Welsh people know some Welsh" I did not say that they could all speak it, or have conversations using it. Infact 60% could be an under estimate, as most Welsh people know the Welsh national anthem.

I know the german national anthem but it doesn't mean a thing. Sorry that a silly thing to say in support of your arguement. Anyway the rule is here to stay so that's it really.

[Cwmbran]

I know the german national anthem but it doesn't mean a thing. Sorry that a silly thing to say in support of your arguement. Anyway the rule is here to stay so that's it really.
No it's not as that is what I meant by saying about 60% of Welsh people know some Welsh.

[Lycan]

I know the german national anthem but it doesn't mean a thing. Sorry that a silly thing to say in support of your arguement. Anyway the rule is here to stay so that's it really.


As a former staff member... not even a current staff member it isn't your place to say that the rule stays, and even if you were a staff member i don't think telling members that what they want can't happen is the right thing to do


What i've noticed most of the threads in the feedback section is that they are near all turned down... whats wrong with that.... i wonder.... ah thats right surely the members of the forum are able to tell what they want rather then being told what they want by thoose who have the power of Ignorance and that of fear of being banned.

All this thread requests is that the rule be changed to allow both Welsh and Galic languages to be used on the forum in conversation without being banned, theese are reconised British national languages and in theory should be allowed anyway as this is the UK HabboxForum. so far most of the staff and other members have tried putting this request down by mentioning about more Foreign languages from other countries, as far as Welsh and Galic are concerned they are not foreign langauges as England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland are one country and therefore you cannot really consider the languages they speak as Forign.

Opening the door to all languages would be a mistake and pointless for a few reasons including that nobody has requested this, but surely the support for allowing two languages to be spoken on this forum is shown and should not be simply ignored and given the standard can't happen, won't happen atitude

All this thread has requested is the rule change, not asking for anything other then a rule change, the Managment are worried that people will start swearing and abusing each other, but this already happens anyway, surely giving the forum members what they want might even reduce this rebel way towards staff.

Should this Forum just give a flat handed no to other languages, thoose of a different culture or should it just allow open handed to thoose who live in the same Uk country that this forum is meant to be the Habbox counterpart of and are proud of their language who wish to express themselves in their own local culture which could be your culture, your past... just because you personally may not want to do it doesn't mean others don't also,

Shoudn't Minorities be listened to on this forum to? shoudn't the voice of each of the members be heard and for once perhaps listen and give the little guy with the little voice who speaks out and wants to be heard... what he wants

I'm not after a post disecting what i've said snapping away at any mistake i've made or a simple no how about more of a Can do, discuss if the rule won't be changed what can happen instead

and to be honest telling someone to go post on another forum because this forum isn't open to new ideas is a very stupid and immature thing to do, just because someone is different or proud of something and wishes to just socially discuss a language does not mean they should be thrown out and classed an different idiot..

[nvrspk4]

Sierk made a very good point that I hadn't even thought about, but it makes a whole lot of sense. If we want to foster a community, it should be open for all to see. By allowing people to speak these languages and teach it to certain people, we establish divides, and sometimes have distinctions made between the two groups.


And makes about as much sense as a cat wearing a clowns outfit in a tumble dryer :rolleyes: It's easier to post the main section of the review which you can recognise, and posting it on the forum and having a discussion on what it is about, with the obvious main parts translated by you to begin with.

That would be pretty cool. I'll try that one day. I doubt many people read a German review at all. But I don't see what you mean and why it can't just be put in English :S



There's a problem with this. With scamming, anyone can understand and fall into it, while speaking a foreign language is something only a minority will understand. The only similarity is that you have to be stupid to be scammed or use a language not many will understand. I don't see why you make the exception to stop people speaking in foreign languages, when you can't even stop people insulting each other in English. I would of thought stopping foreign languages would be the least of your troubles. May I ask, was this insult on this forum on in real life, because if it was on the forum, you could of simply of dealt with it without waiting...

What I have noticed is, when there are insults chucked about, they are dealt with after the first insult has been broken out, so why can't you deal with any foreign languages when an insult has been taken, like you would with normal forum life?

Just because not everyone can see it doesn't make it better. It shouldn't be allowed, whether the victim understands or not. That'd be us promoting people talking behind each others' backs in forms they can't understand. It was on the Forum, and I did deal with it, but I was still curious as to what it meant...but if this rule wasn't in place, I would not have been able to deal with it.

Also, the reason it becomes difficult to deal with foreign langauges is translation. Something that in the native tongue that is the equivalent of "poopyhead" or "dummy" which is relatively tame in English could be translated as something much more derogatory, and thus a warning would be handed out for something that was not meant to be bad, and an argument would ensue.

If you would like, I can PM you a very innocent statement that when translated twice suddenly becomes a hell of a lot less innocent :P



Tis obvious. You've made it that way by having the whole argument in the first place. When someone posts something in french, german etc, you immediately think it is an insult, when it could be something understandable when given an explaination. And if everyone did speak any other language, you still wouldn't give them such a right because for some illogical reason, Management, staff and moderators can't speak a word of French, German etc. Besides, it's all an insult by the looks of how the rule has effected staff.

No, everything that's posted has the *potential* to become an insult, and something that we are unable to translate.


I don't see why you can't allow foreign language, because they do no harm, but if they do, simply remove the text "/

I have made this point again and again. Don't tell me that they don't do harm. Prove to me that there's a problem with the current system, and there's a concrete need that this proposed rule change would fill.


I can see why some people who left Habbox disagree with how tight the restrictions are.

In all honesty, things have become much more lenient, but I think that every time we change something, members get used to it, and it immediately again becomes "they're too strict." It would continue to be "they're too strict" until we were down to one last very lenient rule, like don't insult others. Then they'd say that it should be abolished. Then we'd have no rules, and people would complain about how everyone was being mean to them. Its really what happens. Whenever we make a change, it immediately is like, "Oh yay." and then three days later "This still sucks."


I don't use Habbo.co.uk - I use Habbox Forum, but I ignore the Habbo related stuff. Just like I normally skim past the the webdesigner related stuff.

And a reason? We want to, it would help younger members (who perhaps have to learn Welsh/Gaelic) become more fluent by talking in it, within a discussion type situation. Rather than the often rigid way they would be taught it. So you could have a nice warm fuzzy feeling inside that you were helping educate, by having a small forum for Welsh and Gaelic speakers. :)

That's where the education forum comes in. As for wanting to do it in normal situations, this board is not one where you learn Gaelic. And if you want it in "normal situations" then you would be posting in threads where others were attempting to have a discussion. But as you said, helping to "Educate". Education forums. I don't see why that's not usable...


I know what you mean, My chinese name got removed :(

That's for a different reason, we don't allow special characters anymore due to simplicity reasons. Like if someone is attempting to search your name, or look you up in ACP, etc. etc. Itd be very difficult to type your name into a PM as well ;)


As a former staff member... not even a current staff member it isn't your place to say that the rule stays, and even if you were a staff member i don't think telling members that what they want can't happen is the right thing to do

Its her right as a member of the forum to express her opinion - just as much as it is for you to express yours.



What i've noticed most of the threads in the feedback section is that they are near all turned down... whats wrong with that.... i wonder.... ah thats right surely the members of the forum are able to tell what they want rather then being told what they want by thoose who have the power of Ignorance and that of fear of being banned.

Yes, most of the threads in the Feedback Section are turned down. And many for valid reasons. Because the people that suggest them know one side of the aisle. They don't know both. And because of that, they can't see the flaws in their plan. Believe me, I know firsthand, it is nearly impossible to find flaws with your own plan. Others need to find them for you. Members can tell what they want - but there's a distinction between what people want and what they can have. After all, I wouldn't mind a million bucks ;)


All this thread requests is that the rule be changed to allow both Welsh and Galic languages to be used on the forum in conversation without being banned, theese are reconised British national languages and in theory should be allowed anyway as this is the UK HabboxForum. so far most of the staff and other members have tried putting this request down by mentioning about more Foreign languages from other countries, as far as Welsh and Galic are concerned they are not foreign langauges as England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland are one country and therefore you cannot really consider the languages they speak as Forign.

Why though. Apart from the fact that they are official languages, what purpose would they serve, apart from simply giving you the right, and helping to "teach" other students, which can be done in the Education forums or over MSN. What functionality do Gaelic and Welsh have that English is not fit for?


Opening the door to all languages would be a mistake and pointless for a few reasons including that nobody has requested this, but surely the support for allowing two languages to be spoken on this forum is shown and should not be simply ignored and given the standard can't happen, won't happen atitude

I suggest you look back and take a count of how many people agree with you on the basis of ONLY those three, and how many people don't ;) So based on your logic, don't count the people who advocate allowing other languages such as German as well. Once you count those up I think you will see that the "support for allowing two langauges to be spoken on this forum" that is "shown" is in the minority. Not trying to be snotty, I'm just stating the facts.


All this thread has requested is the rule change, not asking for anything other then a rule change, the Managment are worried that people will start swearing and abusing each other, but this already happens anyway, surely giving the forum members what they want might even reduce this rebel way towards staff.

Should this Forum just give a flat handed no to other languages, thoose of a different culture or should it just allow open handed to thoose who live in the same Uk country that this forum is meant to be the Habbox counterpart of and are proud of their language who wish to express themselves in their own local culture which could be your culture, your past... just because you personally may not want to do it doesn't mean others don't also,

What is the functionality? WHY do you need this, apart from simply being able to speak it? Having a right just to have a right is entirely pointless. You should have a right for a reason, to fill a need. I'm not saying that there's no chance that these languages fill a need that English cannot, apart from teaching or simply speaking the languages themselves, however I cannot think of one, and nobody has presented one, so it seems that the status quo is not wrong.


Shoudn't Minorities be listened to on this forum to? shoudn't the voice of each of the members be heard and for once perhaps listen and give the little guy with the little voice who speaks out and wants to be heard... what he wants

Minorities are listened to. But if we gave every five members whatever they wanted, there'd be a ridiculous amount of concessions. The minority is one thing. The minority with a majority opposed is another. If the minority wants it and nobody cares, we might consider it. If the minority wants it and the majority opposes it, in all honesty its simple. We can't please everyone, so we seek to please the greatest amount. Its simple really.


I'm not after a post disecting what i've said snapping away at any mistake i've made or a simple no how about more of a Can do, discuss if the rule won't be changed what can happen instead

I dissected what you said, but not exactly snapping away.


and to be honest telling someone to go post on another forum because this forum isn't open to new ideas is a very stupid and immature thing to do, just because someone is different or proud of something and wishes to just socially discuss a language does not mean they should be thrown out and classed an different idiot..

You're not being discarded as an idiot, not at all. However, this forum isn't a forum dedicated to celebrating the languages or culture of the British, Gaelic, or Welsh. A universal langauge has been selected so that the entire community can participate. Because we don't want to exclude.


Not to be harsh or anything, but until someone can give me a decent reason what functionality allowing Welsh or Gaelic to be spoken serves other than simply being allowed to speak the language, and why English cannot sufficiently meet that need, and can also explain why we should allow another language which cannot be spoken by the entire board, thus segmenting our community and causing problems and factions, I doubt this will be seriously considered.

Damn that was a long sentence, there's no way that's not a runon...

[Ella]

You say no. Because you want the whole community to be able to get involved. But since we've already come up with a solution to this. (Post next to it in English) Then surely they could just join in without the Welsh/Gaelic (I think its unlikely that they would but...the option is there). For example,

Beacon: Halo - Hello
Blaine: Cimar a tha thu? - How are you?
Bob: Good thanks. You? (obviously he has no need to post a translation)

:) Yet another solution.

[Lycan]

Damn you Nvr, everytime i write a long post you have to reply with one! , Just not fair i tell you! (also, there is a chance you will get a million 'bucks' but the chance of changing the rule is bigger and also easier..... if it makes you feel better money wise theres a penny in my bed... not sure how it got there)

Firstly, i respect that she can post her own view but i don't feel that posting in such a way is the way to understand others and to progress on the forum,

I'd like to make it clear that i probebly woudn't speak another language on this forum anyway but instead i'm arguing because its still the right thing to do is to allow other languages to be spoken on the forum.

why do we allow people to post on the subject of television.... is it because people like to talk about whats on tv?

why do we allow people to post spam.... is it because you need a place to express randomness that dosn't fit anywhere else

Why should we allow people to post in a British national language.... because thats what they want to do, much like people want to discuss tv or th randomness that doesn't fit anywhere else thy wish to discuss another language

If in the end it just boils down to your worried that people will abuse the rule change perhaps trialing the change to see if it goes well, even if 1 or 2 people start speaking Welsh to each other randomly in the spam section and no one else does surely letting thoose two people be happy is better then just making the cold hand of Nvr say no (i realise its not you personally i just really wanted to say the cold hand of nvr)

sometimes things don't have to have real functionality to make us happy, how about to allow people to speak just to look nice... allowing more people to speak a languge is not divercity, that would be making them go somewhere else but still involving them in the community is what would be a stronger comunity anyway

the idea of saying that you'd have to get mods to go through translaters is a waste of time i'm not sure is quite true, if it meant people (even for the sake of a small group of people) i would personally happy mointor it even into busy day because i don't believe that a no is ever good enough and that both sides should atlast attempt to meet each other half way over the problem rather then the standard of the person(s) who agree with the idea changing it constantly to try and please the staff while the staff just sit there (or in nvrs case reply to my posts with an even larger post) with alot of words which still boil down to the conclusion of a no

[Cixso]

I cant be bothered to read this all.

No idea if it has been discussed...

But when a moderator checks it...
The person could of typed it in slang.

Example English:

"iya hwz u bbz"

You're telling me that will come up on a translation?

"Hey how are you baby?"

The rule should stay as it is in my opinion. Too much hassle and the racist level will increase.

I also agree with the management in certain aspects.

Or, maybe create a UK Langauge (non english) forum with a general chat, habbo trade etc, Just the main category's. (like 8...)

[Lycan]

I cant be bothered to read this all.

No idea if it has been discussed...

But when a moderator checks it...
The person could of typed it in slang.

Example English:

"iya hwz u bbz"

You're telling me that will come up on a translation?

"Hey how are you baby?"

The rule should stay as it is in my opinion. Too much hassle and the racist level will increase.

I also agree with the management in certain aspects.

Or, maybe create a UK Langauge (non english) forum with a general chat, habbo trade etc, Just the main category's. (like 8...)

Danny if that slang was your attempt at another language that was so poor i may have to cry.

The point is people can use slang now and get around the filters, i doubt people will write it in another langauge... considering the filter could be added to to include forign swears...

the rule would have to be changed before a forum could be created or people could be infacted just for saying Hello in another langauge...

and in response to your question danny

I'm fine thanks :)

[Cixso]

Danny if that slang was your attempt at another language that was so poor i may have to cry.

The point is people can use slang now and get around the filters, i doubt people will write it in another langauge... considering the filter could be added to to include forign swears...

the rule would have to be changed before a forum could be created or people could be infacted just for saying Hello in another langauge...

and in response to your question danny

I'm fine thanks :)

LOL!

Fine, don't ask me back you stubborn ... :)

It was my attempt at English slang! :)

But yes, that would mean the management will have to take time off their very busy schedule and look up all the swear words in another language!

[Lycan]

LOL!

Fine, don't ask me back you stubborn ... :)

It was my attempt at English slang! :)

But yes, that would mean the management will have to take time off their very busy schedule and look up all the swear words in another language!


or Kindly ask someone in the community to do it, a moderator perhaps, a super moderator..... can even blame me for making them work considering it would only have to be done once isn't that much hassle, and you'd think they would already be in the filter to prevent people from avoiding the rules now

[GommeInc]

Or just leave it and when it comes up as an offense to someone, then take action like they do with English slang which may offend another person "/

[Catzsy]

[QUOTE=Lycan;3993578]As a former staff member... not even a current staff member it isn't your place to say that the rule stays, and even if you were a staff member i don't think telling members that what they want can't happen is the right thing to do

I didn't lol :) Sierk, Mad and Nvrspk4 had already said it in previous posts so I just said 'it was here to stay' because of that. Actually I don't agree with the rule but understand why its there. I was trying wrap up the my involvement in the thread. Thanks :)

[GommeInc]

I understand why it is there, but what I understand the reason for its existence is less understandable than not having it "/

[Sunny.]

I Think its understandable why therule is there though but uno.

[Ella]

I cant be bothered to read this all.

No idea if it has been discussed...

But when a moderator checks it...
The person could of typed it in slang.

Example English:

"iya hwz u bbz"

You're telling me that will come up on a translation?

"Hey how are you baby?"



Thats English? :O
See if they don't allow Gaelic or Welsh.
Can they really allow that?
Ty Danny.

[Catzsy]

Thats English? :O
See if they don't allow Gaelic or Welsh.
Can they really allow that?
Ty Danny.

That is colloqualism not a different language.

[Catzsy]

Thats English? :O
See if they don't allow Gaelic or Welsh.
Can they really allow that?
Ty Danny.

That is colloqualism not a different language.


Edited by Yoshimitsui (Super Moderator): Posts merged due to forum lag ;)

[jrh2002]

I was thinking this over and have had another thought :o oh god help us you might think lol but....

If you are writing in welsh and it is written backwards to english?

You would write it and then have to write it word for word in english so we knew what each word meant (to help educate the want to be welsh speakers) and then write out its translation?

[nvrspk4]

You say no. Because you want the whole community to be able to get involved. But since we've already come up with a solution to this. (Post next to it in English) Then surely they could just join in without the Welsh/Gaelic (I think its unlikely that they would but...the option is there). For example,

Beacon: Halo - Hello
Blaine: Cimar a tha thu? - How are you?
Bob: Good thanks. You? (obviously he has no need to post a translation)

:) Yet another solution.

What happens when somebody posts a skewed translation, something that could be translated both ways, and one person thinks its offensive, and the other does not?


Damn you Nvr, everytime i write a long post you have to reply with one! , Just not fair i tell you! (also, there is a chance you will get a million 'bucks' but the chance of changing the rule is bigger and also easier..... if it makes you feel better money wise theres a penny in my bed... not sure how it got there)

I'm sorry!! :'( But I'm saving trees! Imagine if this was written communications. I think my posts might have been enough to decimate a small forest of all its wood to make the paper :P I'll take the penny! Maybe its change from...it was in your bed right? :eusa_whis But on a more serious note, a want fills a need. It has to be a relevant and substantive need. I've posed this question again and again, but what is the need for speaking Welsh - other than to celebrate and learn the language?


Firstly, i respect that she can post her own view but i don't feel that posting in such a way is the way to understand others and to progress on the forum,

Now you see, that's different, because you stated "I don't feel". Personally, she does have the right to say that...you just might not agree. That doesn't mean she can't say it :P


I'd like to make it clear that i probebly woudn't speak another language on this forum anyway but instead i'm arguing because its still the right thing to do is to allow other languages to be spoken on the forum.

why do we allow people to post on the subject of television.... is it because people like to talk about whats on tv?

why do we allow people to post spam.... is it because you need a place to express randomness that dosn't fit anywhere else

Why should we allow people to post in a British national language.... because thats what they want to do, much like people want to discuss tv or th randomness that doesn't fit anywhere else thy wish to discuss another language

While I don't agree with your assertion, I do applaud you on making an attempt to make this an effective argument by establishing a need. The number of people, however, who *want* to discuss this British language are in the minority. Also, as far as practicality is concerned, moderating a forum about TV does not cause us that much extra work (other than moderating the forum itself). This proposal does :P


If in the end it just boils down to your worried that people will abuse the rule change perhaps trialing the change to see if it goes well, even if 1 or 2 people start speaking Welsh to each other randomly in the spam section and no one else does surely letting thoose two people be happy is better then just making the cold hand of Nvr say no (i realise its not you personally i just really wanted to say the cold hand of nvr)

We are worried that people will abuse it...because problems have occurred previously. We aren't basing this on paranoia, we're basing it on a reaction to previous events. And if only two members are talking Welsh, that creates an elite. Also, there is a problem when two members want to speak Welsh and ten members don't want Welsh spoken.


sometimes things don't have to have real functionality to make us happy, how about to allow people to speak just to look nice... allowing more people to speak a languge is not divercity, that would be making them go somewhere else but still involving them in the community is what would be a stronger comunity anyway

Things with no real functions to make people happy is one thing...but in that case it has a functionality. What things on this forum don't have functionalities, and don't fit a need? However, the things that "don't have functionalities but are just for fun" are all well and good, but when they create a disproportionate amount of work for a very small group of people, problems begin to arise.


the idea of saying that you'd have to get mods to go through translaters is a waste of time i'm not sure is quite true, if it meant people (even for the sake of a small group of people) i would personally happy mointor it even into busy day because i don't believe that a no is ever good enough and that both sides should atlast attempt to meet each other half way over the problem rather then the standard of the person(s) who agree with the idea changing it constantly to try and please the staff while the staff just sit there (or in nvrs case reply to my posts with an even larger post) with alot of words which still boil down to the conclusion of a no

Translators don't matter, because someone would have to be an adept at the langauge among the moderation staff, because they would have to make a judgement based on the situation a comment was made in. For example, its very difficult to comprehend humor and sarcasm in other langauges. This produces language barriers.

Pycan made some very good points that I agree with, but for want of keeping this as concise as possible, instead of quoting it all and saying "I AGREE!" I'll just put it here :P


Danny if that slang was your attempt at another language that was so poor i may have to cry.

I think it was a...HIGHLY...modified form of English :P


The point is people can use slang now and get around the filters, i doubt people will write it in another langauge... considering the filter could be added to to include forign swears...

People will use aphorisms, metaphors, etc. If you've ever had a Korean immigrant who doesn't speak English at your school (or at least didn't when they came), I'm sure you're aware of all the wierd sayings in our language that they don't get (our language being English :P)


the rule would have to be changed before a forum could be created or people could be infacted just for saying Hello in another langauge...

Actually things such as Hello in another language are specifically excepted from the rule. I believe its written in the rule itself.



Or just leave it and when it comes up as an offense to someone, then take action like they do with English slang which may offend another person "/

We want to act proactively, as opposed to responding to things. The reason for this is that if we operate solely on an as-reported basis, by the time we get a report saying "Hey, can you check this? I think there's a chance it might be rude." there's a good chance that whoever it was aimed at has seen it, and by the time a moderator can respond, its usually blown up into a full-blown argument, which we would rather avoid.


I understand why it is there, but what I understand the reason for its existence is less understandable than not having it "/

But what is the reason for not having it, as opposed to simply being granted the right to fill no existing need when there is no issue with the status quo?


Thats English? :O
See if they don't allow Gaelic or Welsh.
Can they really allow that?
Ty Danny.

Sorry, we can't control the l33tspeakers. They're just too uber for us :(

[le harry]

It's not that hard to speak English on an english forum..

[Lycan]

Oh Nvr... why ruin my debating fun, you know i can just come with new and exciting ways to reform my question and push it across to you


The flight simulator forum recently added to the forum only has about 20 posties in it (of which i am one... sadly another is Mad) this was added because of alot of recent threads about flight simulation.

sadly there cannnot be alot of threads of speaking another language on this forum without it being in the education section and to be honest... i'm avoiding education like students should. the rule stops any real show of need for the forum.

Again you discuss functionality.

You won't accept looks nice, or that people (how small based on thoose who have posted in this topic) want it , or that it could boost membership by opening the door to thoose who wish to talk in another language.

So what am i meant to push you to do.. the problem that you've established is that it has no real use (which we all know it does and thats just the last thing you can hold onto)
that it would create extra work.... am i allowed to call you lazy? a bit of extra work hurts nobody, hell you could consider hiring a second reputation guy , i've had two pictures of .... ;) ;) in my rep for 24 hours!

surely the hiring on another staff member to mointor such areas would be wise, and i think you assume that if someone swears or becomes abusive in welsh that other welsh speaking people won't report it.... welsh speakers have respect for forum rules as well.. the line doesn't just stop at English speakers.

On the topic of Koreon stupids, i have had a nice South korean follow me around town smiling quite strangly at me.. for an hour before smiling at a baby then a dog then turning around, if i had known how to say Hello i would of. but the point is you keep mentioning languages other then the two proposed to be added. Stick to Welsh and Galic nvr... you claim there a minority so surely the few people who did use it woudn't be the type to get you.

i'd like to thnak this topic for going for so long that know my gf wishes to learn welsh.

So in the end i feel i'm fighting a loosing battle but for as long as a nvr replies butching my response into tiny little phrases to comment on i shall return! (*ponders* if you didn't have teh quote in... i wonder how big your response would be)

to save me time putting this in another thread, yesturday around midday for several hours no moderators or staff were on and .... rude pictures were cropping up everywhere and i still have 2 in my rep! , would it be possible to impliment a time tabling system for moderators or.. heaven forbid hire 1 or 2 super moderators who would be able to mointor the forum during the day while the others are at educational institutions (i don't feel the same about the night as the american nvr is about browling) if not can we get an extra reputation manager to sort out the almost constant blacklog (now upto 72) including mine and others ... reputation pictures

[nvrspk4]

Oh Nvr... why ruin my debating fun, you know i can just come with new and exciting ways to reform my question and push it across to you

Well, I find it fun :D I enjoy debating, if you haven't guessed by now. Its my personal opinion that a topic should always be debated, whether I agree or disagree, because it makes the topic better. Without debate, nobody exposes the flaws, and the proposition falls flat on its face within the first week.



The flight simulator forum recently added to the forum only has about 20 posties in it (of which i am one... sadly another is Mad) this was added because of alot of recent threads about flight simulation.

I'd probably contest that there are more than 20 posts in it...there are 411 threads. If you mean twenty posters, I'd probably contend that too. However a fundamental difference is that is for discussion of a subject, not for the abstract use of a language. What I believe you are asking for is a Spam Forum for the Welsh language. So basically, you're repeating the "Allow Welsh for the sake of speaking Welsh" argument, which basically has no grounds to it :P


sadly there cannnot be alot of threads of speaking another language on this forum without it being in the education section and to be honest... i'm avoiding education like students should. the rule stops any real show of need for the forum.

As I said, if you look back on this thread, I see about 5 people advocating this, and about 20 people against it. Here's another difference between here and flightsim. When the thread was created asking for that forum every single person that replied was in favor of it - even those who didn't use it. Do you see why there's an issue with implementing this? The majority is against it.


Again you discuss functionality.

You won't accept looks nice, or that people (how small based on thoose who have posted in this topic) want it , or that it could boost membership by opening the door to thoose who wish to talk in another language.

We aren't aiming to boost our membership by offering our board as a haven for Welsh to convene. We want to boost our board on the basis that we provide a kind community and provide good Habbo-based discussion services.


So what am i meant to push you to do.. the problem that you've established is that it has no real use (which we all know it does and thats just the last thing you can hold onto)

The problem is that it has no use beyond just being able to speak it. And the problem I see is why give something just for the purpose of being able to do it, instead of filling a need. I believe the correct terminology is a truism. And a truism is utterly pointless.


that it would create extra work.... am i allowed to call you lazy? a bit of extra work hurts nobody, hell you could consider hiring a second reputation guy , i've had two pictures of .... ;) ;) in my rep for 24 hours!

You are allowed to call me lazy...if you know what you're talking about. No offense intended, but an average of 40-50 PMs and a few departments to sort out on top of the other stuff is enough work for me! The moderators have a lot to do as well.

As far as reputation goes, apologies for that, Joshuar has resigned and we are looking for a replacement (hence why you haven't seen the announcement yet.) If you have a pressing reputation issue (such as innapropriate images) feel free to PM me. Regular pointless rep will have to wait for the moment. I've removed those two reps you were sent and run a query on reps sent by those members and removed all the rude image reps they sent out :) (See, I'm not afraid of work, I just am against pointless work.)


surely the hiring on another staff member to mointor such areas would be wise, and i think you assume that if someone swears or becomes abusive in welsh that other welsh speaking people won't report it.... welsh speakers have respect for forum rules as well.. the line doesn't just stop at English speakers.

We'd then need to give a Welsh-speaker Super Moderator perms for the express purpose of moderating the Welsh. So we create a Super Mod position to watch over how many people?


On the topic of Koreon stupids, i have had a nice South korean follow me around town smiling quite strangly at me.. for an hour before smiling at a baby then a dog then turning around, if i had known how to say Hello i would of. but the point is you keep mentioning languages other then the two proposed to be added. Stick to Welsh and Galic nvr... you claim there a minority so surely the few people who did use it woudn't be the type to get you.

I was using Koreans as a parallel because the Welsh 99% of the time know English, while English-speakers do not know Welsh. Koreans do not know English. I was not using it as an example of a case under the rule, but as a parallel to show what I'm talking about.


i'd like to thnak this topic for going for so long that know my gf wishes to learn welsh.

No problem at all. I'm sure you've found alternate ways to educate her on the topic than a seperate forum on Habbox? :P


So in the end i feel i'm fighting a loosing battle but for as long as a nvr replies butching my response into tiny little phrases to comment on i shall return! (*ponders* if you didn't have teh quote in... i wonder how big your response would be)

You pretty much are fighting a losing battle, the other management have spoken, I reply solely because I don't like people to think I'm ignoring your arguments...plus to not reply to a post that long and let the thread die would be rather cruel. I don't know how long it would be. I keep it in as its easier instead of scrolling back and forth, I can have the quote right in front of me. Scrolling back and forth sometimes makes me miss things too, and people say ":O OMGZ SKEMMER YOU DELIBERATELY IGNORED THIS POINT!!"


to save me time putting this in another thread, yesturday around midday for several hours no moderators or staff were on and .... rude pictures were cropping up everywhere and i still have 2 in my rep! , would it be possible to impliment a time tabling system for moderators or.. heaven forbid hire 1 or 2 super moderators who would be able to mointor the forum during the day while the others are at educational institutions (i don't feel the same about the night as the american nvr is about browling) if not can we get an extra reputation manager to sort out the almost constant blacklog (now upto 72) including mine and others ... reputation pictures

I've sorted the pictures but the pointless reputation will have to wait.

I've explained the reason for the delay above.

[Lycan]

by posties i meant poeople that post, just my own terminology, how about changing the rule to allow welsh (among other languages) to be spoken in the spam forum then? , we all know must of whats spoken in tehre is gibberish anyway


My gf sadly has turned to the bbc website and i have sent her a book i picked up in wales too years ago named "Welsh is fun" (i beg to differ, not fun, not easy to learn)

Sad to see Joshuar go, although i hve disbuted his job in the past and that he wasn't doing it hearing he resigned is the last thing i wanted to see, i know i'd happily volenteer for the job at hand but we both know a role like that deserves several years of Habbox staff trust and atleast the bribe of a lollypop.

we both know that replying to just make sure i don't feel ignored is rubbish, as you just love to debate (like you already said and much the same way i do) i believe infact that this is some deep harbour of love to my arguments which don't admit defeat and instead extend predefeat on for another 5 minutes.

i can understand the cutting of quotes i personally just read through the entire thing , write an entire thing then re read some areas i wish to make a closer attension to.

Anyway: The idea was not to create a new forum for welsh speakers (among other languages) but to change the rules so they woudn't get banned surely allowing them to speak in the spam section woudn't cause anymore grief then the spammers already do. the big chance is that it won't be thoose wanting to speak anothr language who cause the problem but instead others on the forum immature enough (or just expressing their views... you choice) and are normally thoose who hve already offended.

Oh and in respect to your comment that koreons do not speak English, you should watch Lost, and speak to the smiley Koreon guy who kept following me and waving... the guy was like 60... never have i been so scared....


I look forward to our next debate and your next reply.

[nvrspk4]

by posties i meant poeople that post, just my own terminology, how about changing the rule to allow welsh (among other languages) to be spoken in the spam forum then? , we all know must of whats spoken in tehre is gibberish anyway

Most of what's spoken in there is gibberish, but most of the bullying and rulebreaking goes on there too, so I don't think that would be wise :P


My gf sadly has turned to the bbc website and i have sent her a book i picked up in wales too years ago named "Welsh is fun" (i beg to differ, not fun, not easy to learn)

Buy her a free course over the internet or at a camp somewhere for her birthday / Christmas! :D (Whichever comes first.)


Sad to see Joshuar go, although i hve disbuted his job in the past and that he wasn't doing it hearing he resigned is the last thing i wanted to see, i know i'd happily volenteer for the job at hand but we both know a role like that deserves several years of Habbox staff trust and atleast the bribe of a lollypop.

Erm actually lollipops only get you the Graphics Designer job, for MOD you need at least a house, for Super Mod, a Mansion, and if you're hoping to become an Admin you need a small island to donate to the (A)GMs. I had to donate the country of Kazakhstan to become an AGM :P


we both know that replying to just make sure i don't feel ignored is rubbish, as you just love to debate (like you already said and much the same way i do) i believe infact that this is some deep harbour of love to my arguments which don't admit defeat and instead extend predefeat on for another 5 minutes.

I love to debate but its also to stop people from feeling ignored. Honestly. If you see, only you and I are replying now. Most others gave up. If I didn't reply to this thread, it would slowly die, and the topic would be forgotten. Of course, it may also be that I don't like letting people put in the last argument :D


i can understand the cutting of quotes i personally just read through the entire thing , write an entire thing then re read some areas i wish to make a closer attension to.

Fair enough, to each their own.


Anyway: The idea was not to create a new forum for welsh speakers (among other languages) but to change the rules so they woudn't get banned surely allowing them to speak in the spam section woudn't cause anymore grief then the spammers already do. the big chance is that it won't be thoose wanting to speak anothr language who cause the problem but instead others on the forum immature enough (or just expressing their views... you choice) and are normally thoose who hve already offended.

The spam section is probably the most immature section on the forum. Not because its regulars are necessarily immature (though some are) but the essence of the name seems to attract all the worst of our members. Thus, allowing Welsh there would be the worst place, as that's the most common area people might use things to avoid the rules in.


Oh and in respect to your comment that koreons do not speak English, you should watch Lost, and speak to the smiley Koreon guy who kept following me and waving... the guy was like 60... never have i been so scared....

SOME Koreans that move to the United States or United Kingdom don't speak English. Not all of them :P

[Lycan]

If most of the forum rulebreaking goes on there perhaps rules should focus on them to control the people rather then rules like the language having to suffer because of the rudness and bullying.

lol, she won't tell me what she wants for christmas... i just know that its going to be a few weeks before Christmas where everywhere has sold out of what she wants she'll tell me!.... maybe i could buy her some welsh guy.... how much are the welsh?


When i read that i thought you said "hus, allowing The Welsh there would be the worst place"
Anyway, surely with the attension of the moderator and supermoderators whoose job it is to mointor the area anyway there won't be any extra harm. and what about a trial, not changing the rules but not enforcing it ether, if no one talks in welsh ~(among other langauges) fair enough and if the languages are soley used as a 'WOMD' (Welsh of Mass Distruction) then no harm done as the rule can be inforced again

considering me and you can only talk about intheory this can happen and that can happen surely a test of the idea would be a better one?

Also: What kind of Island..... Normally beer money works... and there is nothing wrong with a lollypop bribe at at level of work.

some Koreons speak english? aka Most of South Korea who after the Koreon war and the influx of American and Europeon tourists, some areas of the country can speak English (Other then 'What do you know, Joe')

[Grig]

This wouldn't be implemented as it causes frustrations to other members, they could also easily swear or spam in that language without the mod knowing.

[pelek]

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[Roboevil]

Why would anyone need to speak in a different language anyway?

[Lycan]

This wouldn't be implemented as it causes frustrations to other members, they could also easily swear or spam in that language without the mod knowing.

Frustration to other members because they can't understand something.... how do the members survive when they see php or html coding... leet speak or 'slang' , they could easily swear but we all know *** to get around the filter anyway, theres a difference between being able to do someting and choosing to do so


welsh suuuuuck;)

Thanks for that, surely it would be 'The Welsh' , which is the people rather then the language, perhaps making your own spam thread on disliking the welsh rather than posting such immature and selfish remarks,


Why would anyone need to speak in a different language anyway?

... Why do we need to discuss TV, or discuss anything in the spam section, needing is very different to wanting. and do we ever need a reason to do anything... being spontanious is something we all are. if this was about a topic you want i'm sure you would support it more but because its a minority language which isn't needed (much like most things in life arn't needed).

[Ella]

Why would anyone need to speak in a different language anyway?

Because it encourages diversity.
And we want to.

Why would you only need to speak one language?
Why should English be that language?
Works both ways :)