All this rep being removed.

[Jcshua]

:S

Happening to a lot of people, and Nick was just recently promoted so maybe he doesn't know what he's doing..

It's happened to like nearly everyone..

,Sv (GOOD!)
DOWNFALL

etc..

Maybe get someone to replace him..

[jesus]

:S

Happening to a lot of people, and Nick was just recently promoted so maybe he doesn't know what he's doing..

It's happened to like nearly everyone..

,Sv (GOOD!)
DOWNFALL

etc..

Maybe get someone to replace him..he removed 609 points off me, every single one he thought was 'pointless' throughout the 3 years ive been registered have now gone

he spent over an hour just removing them from me.

[Marsquake]

I had around 700 rep (well nearly) and he removed my rep which went to 491...
Infact, I reported my pointless reputation but he only removed my good valid reputation for no reason?

He has time to remove good reputation but not pointless bad reputation? He needs the sack, or there won't be any good customers happy.

[dannyisnotamazing]

he removed over 1,000 of mine!!!!!!

[jesus]

i dont understand why he has to do it WITHOUT us reporting ANY reputation, just comin into our profiles n takin loads of rep off us

none of the other editors used to do that

[Marsquake]

What I am really ****** of is that I reported a pointless reputation and he only removes like 200 of my good reputation?

And he didn't remove my bad pointless reputation?

[Nick-]

he removed over 1,000 of mine!!!!!!
I have made no changes to your account

Recently Nvrspk4 made a thread in the Staff section about cracking down on pointless reputation, I can assure that this is exactly the sort of action that needs to be taken as he recommended it himself.

Yawnings, I strongly suggest you learn to form your own opinions of others rather than going by what you have heard from a select few members. :)

[Yoshimitsui]

You can blame the people giving out all the pointless reputation, not Nick-!

[jesus]

av bin cryin all day

[Jcshua]

I have made no changes to your account

Recently Nvrspk4 made a thread in the Staff section about cracking down on pointless reputation, I can assure that this is exactly the sort of action that needs to be taken as he recommended it himself.

Yawnings, I strongly suggest you learn to form your own opinions of others rather than going by what you have heard from a select few members. :)

I'm allowed to have my opinion..

ATLEAST MAKE A THREAD WARNING PEOPLE..

It's like me getting pointless rep like 6 months ago and you removed it..
That period has passed.

[dannyisnotamazing]

I have made no changes to your account

Recently Nvrspk4 made a thread in the Staff section about cracking down on pointless reputation, I can assure that this is exactly the sort of action that needs to be taken as he recommended it himself.

Yawnings, I strongly suggest you learn to form your own opinions of others rather than going by what you have heard from a select few members. :)

i was joking.. :rolleyes:

[Nemo]

I have made no changes to your account

Recently Nvrspk4 made a thread in the Staff section about cracking down on pointless reputation, I can assure that this is exactly the sort of action that needs to be taken as he recommended it himself.

Yawnings, I strongly suggest you learn to form your own opinions of others rather than going by what you have heard from a select few members. :)
You didnt answer why you didn't remove some people's bad rep and only removed their good rep.

[jesus]

I'm allowed to have my opinion..

ATLEAST MAKE A THREAD WARNING PEOPLE..

It's like me getting pointless rep like 6 months ago and you removed it..
That period has passed.e removed mine from like 3 years ago

[Nick-]

Its stated in fairly large blue text in the report reputation problems thread

When reporting your reputation you give the Forum Administrators the right to check through your reputation and remove ANY pointless reputation, good or bad and delete it from your total. Please remember this before using this thread.

And unfortunately I cannot quote what the thread in the staff section involved due to privacy.

I have only removed any pointless reputation from 1 month prior to this date, not 3 years ago.

Pointless good rep and pointless negative rep have similar rules, if the negative rep has a point it stays, similar to positive rep and the same applies if that's inverted. Positive rep that has no point gets removed as does negative rep.

[Nemo]

Its stated in fairly large blue text in the report reputation problems thread

When reporting your reputation you give the Forum Administrators the right to check through your reputation and remove ANY pointless reputation, good or bad and delete it from your total. Please remember this before using this thread.

And unfortunately I cannot quote what the thread in the staff section involved due to privacy.

I have only removed any pointless reputation from 1 month prior to this date, not 3 years ago.

Pointless good rep and pointless negative rep have similar rules, if the negative rep has a point it stays, similar to positive rep and the same applies if that's inverted. Positive rep that has no point gets removed as does negative rep.
Some didn't report it and you still haven't answered what i said before.

[Nick-]

In order to answer your question I would need to quote something from the staff section which I am not at the liberty to do.
For now, this is all the explanation I can offer:
Pointless good rep and pointless negative rep have similar rules, if the negative rep has a point it stays, similar to positive rep and the same applies if that's inverted. Positive rep that has no point gets removed as does negative rep.

I know its a hard pill to swallow but there needs to be major changes to the reputation system, this is the way that has been decided upon without removing the reputation system completely.

[jesus]

Its stated in fairly large blue text in the report reputation problems thread

When reporting your reputation you give the Forum Administrators the right to check through your reputation and remove ANY pointless reputation, good or bad and delete it from your total. Please remember this before using this thread.

And unfortunately I cannot quote what the thread in the staff section involved due to privacy.

I have only removed any pointless reputation from 1 month prior to this date, not 3 years ago.

Pointless good rep and pointless negative rep have similar rules, if the negative rep has a point it stays, similar to positive rep and the same applies if that's inverted. Positive rep that has no point gets removed as does negative rep.i requested for my posts removed from the report reuptation thread so somthin like this didnt happen n now it has anyway :S

[Nick-]

Who did you contact to have the posts removed?

[:Delirium]

he wont answer the questions because he knows that you guys were right.

[Test:Tube:Baby]

Be nice to Nick children ;)

[Nick-]

he wont answer the questions because he knows that you guys were right.
Yes that exactly the reason why I cannot answer the question honestly, nothing to do with the fact that no one has the liberty to share information from the Staff section publicly on the Forum. :rolleyes:

[jesus]

Who did you contact to have the posts removed?i made posts in the report rep thread to get some bad ones removed, but then i changed my mind and decided i didnt want them removed so my positive one doesnt get removed too

i made 2 posts and i asked opensourcehost and jimi to remive them and they both did

so thats why im annoyed

[Nick-]

I was unaware of the removal of any of your posts in that thread, in future its always a good idea to contact the Rep Editor (whoever that was or may be in future) to request the removal of posts just so that I know not to remove anything from your profile. :)

[Energizer]

he removed some of mine too :'(:'(:'(

[jesus]

I was unaware of the removal of any of your posts in that thread, in future its always a good idea to contact the Rep Editor (whoever that was or may be in future) to request the removal of posts just so that I know not to remove anything from your profile. :)the posts in the report rep thread said:

text removed by users request: no longer wants any reputation removed

and u cant have missed that

so can i av mi reps back plz?

also there was no reputation editor at that time so i pmed an admin

[Marsquake]

Who did you contact to have the posts removed?



What I don't understand is, WHY DIDN'T YOU REMOVE MY BAD POINTLESS REPP AND YOU HAD THE TIME 2 REMOVE MY GOOD REPUTATION?

I JUST WANT a answer..

[today]

so if u dont report any rep u wotn get any removed or wud he still go thru and remove ur rep?

[Nick-]

he removed some of mine too :'(:'(:'(
Once again, no I haven't, I was looking through them earlier but didnt remove any because I was busy with other things at the time.

Certain users were brought to my attention by moving very swiftly up 2-3 rep powers in a short space of time, like any good Admin I knew something wasn't quite right and upon further inspection I was right. Whether you report a rep problem or I find a rep problem it will be dealt with.
Mars if I remember correctly your reputation was borderline fair/unfair, on the one hand it was a little negative considering the user was just posting a funny picture although it cant be helped if it wasn't quite to your taste.

[Marsquake]

Once again, no I haven't, I was looking through them earlier but didnt remove any because I was busy with other things at the time.

READ MY POST PLEASE ( I HAVE CAPS PROBLEMS )

[jesus]

so if u dont report any rep u wotn get any removed or wud he still go thru and remove ur rep?hes took 609 off me when i never reported ANY


meaning i didnt want ANY removed

[today]

Oh, alright just wondered ^_^

Its not really your fault for getting pointless plus rep, it will always happen.

[Energizer]

Once again, no I haven't, I was looking through them earlier but didnt remove any because I was busy with other things at the time.
yesterday you did

[Nick-]

I havent changed any of Toms reputation at all, I was going to after that PM you sent me but I was busy VIP editing at the time as well as helping out Yoshi with moderation as OSH is away for a few days.

You guys are way too fast to reply. :P

Oh and one other thing I would like to bring to attention, it says quite clearly in the reputation thread that if a reputation has not been removed and you are unsure why you are supposed to PM me rather than either re posting the same reputation complaint or posting a series of threads about it.

[Energizer]

what pm? :S

[jesus]

I havent changed any of Toms reputation at all, I was going to after that PM you sent me but I was busy VIP editing at the time as well as helping out Yoshi with moderation as OSH is away for a few days.

You guys are way too fast to reply. :Pwill you please reply to what i said on page 3, it has red writing in it so you cant miss it

[Nick-]

I dont recall any red text except for one on ,Sv's post, seems like an unusual mistake for me to make after spending a year or so moderating using nothing but red text on other users posts.

[Marsquake]

Once again, no I haven't, I was looking through them earlier but didnt remove any because I was busy with other things at the time.

Certain users were brought to my attention by moving very swiftly up 2-3 rep powers in a short space of time, like any good Admin I knew something wasn't quite right and upon further inspection I was right. Whether you report a rep problem or I find a rep problem it will be dealt with.
Mars if I remember correctly your reputation was borderline fair/unfair, on the one hand it was a little negative considering the user was just posting a funny picture although it cant be helped if it wasn't quite to your taste.

The person who -repped me said 'arueing pointlessly' re-read my post and check if it was arguing because from what I can remember I only said 2 words and left that thread, so how could I be arguing with 2 words and not coming back to the thread?

Do your job properly

[jesus]

the posts in the report rep thread said:

text removed by users request: no longer wants any reputation removed

and u cant have missed that

so can i av mi reps back plz?

also there was no reputation editor at that time so i pmed an admin
hello could you reply to this one please nick? thanks *thumbz up*

[Nick-]

I will thoroughly go over that thread asap, once again I would like to express how all you had to do was PM me about the rep point rather than creating several threads about it.


Do your job properly

Also that sort of attitude is not the way to get things done around here. :)


hello could you reply to this one please nick? thanks *thumbz up*
I did, in post 36.

[Energizer]

I havent changed any of Toms reputation at all, I was going to after that PM you sent me but I was busy VIP editing at the time as well as helping out Yoshi with moderation as OSH is away for a few days.

what pm????

:S

[Nick-]

what pm????

:S
I cant post any details of the PM on the Forum, you will need to ask DOWNFALL about it privately.

[jesus]

I will thoroughly go over that thread asap, once again I would like to express how all you had to do was PM me about the rep point rather than creating several threads about it.



Also that sort of attitude is not the way to get things done around here. :)


I did, in post 36.in the report rep thread a while back, i made two posts and decided i no longer want the rep i reported to be removed so i could keep my positive ones so i got an admin to remove my post from the report rep thread and they were okay with that and did it. then you come into my profile and remove it all anyway.

[Nemo]

I will thoroughly go over that thread asap, once again I would like to express how all you had to do was PM me about the rep point rather than creating several threads about it.



Also that sort of attitude is not the way to get things done around here. :)


I did, in post 36.
you just said there wasnt any red text, he quoted it for you, so answer ;)

[VPSwow]

I will thoroughly go over that thread asap, once again I would like to express how all you had to do was PM me about the rep point rather than creating several threads about it.



Also that sort of attitude is not the way to get things done around here. :)


I did, in post 36.

However our PMs would just get ignored aswell, or the same answer over and over again.

First we get told that you only take our rep if we report bad rep, now you change it and say if we go up rep blocks/ power too quickly.

What if someone reaches 2500 posts and 200 rep do they get their rep taken just because of that. :S

I think their should be an announcment from Mad stating the "new" rules/ policy Habbox has set if this is the case.

[jesus]

However our PMs would just get ignored aswell, or the same answer over and over again.

First we get told that you only take our rep if we report bad rep, now you change it and say if we go up rep blocks/ power too quickly.

What if someone reaches 2500 posts and 200 rep do they get their rep taken just because of that. :S

I think their should be an announcment from Mad stating the "new" rules/ policy Habbox has set if this is the case.what i think is nice should have not removed any from us for no reason, then made an announcement saying 'from this day forward ANY pointless rep will be removed' and that would have been a logical idea as we wouldnt be complaining loads

[Zuar]

what i think is nice should have not removed any from us for no reason, then made an announcement saying 'from this day forward ANY pointless rep will be removed' and that would have been a logical idea as we wouldnt be complaining loads
you speak sence!
o btw what if u get pointless reped nick do u remove it

[jesus]

you speak sence!
o btw what if u get pointless reped nick do u remove itcourse he doesnt hes well cheeky

[VPSwow]

you speak sence!
o btw what if u get pointless reped nick do u remove it

I posted that in another thread and it got ignored.

Although we all know he will say yes.

[Nick-]

in the report rep thread a while back, i made two posts and decided i no longer want the rep i reported to be removed so i could keep my positive ones so i got an admin to remove my post from the report rep thread and they were okay with that and did it. then you come into my profile and remove it all anyway.

That thread was not what got 3 bars of reputation removed, the fact that you had gained 3 bars of reputation in such a short space of time was what raised my suspicions and once I checked through your reputation for the last month I had to remove them. If you had genuinely earned all the reputation none of it would have been removed, this includes rep power gained through posts and being registered on the Forum for a period of time.


you just said there wasnt any red text, he quoted it for you, so answer ;)

I did answer, I said that I must not have seen it accidentally, regardless of what was edited in that thread it was not that thread that resulted in downfall losing 3 rep power.


However our PMs would just get ignored aswell, or the same answer over and over again.

First we get told that you only take our rep if we report bad rep, now you change it and say if we go up rep blocks/ power too quickly.

What if someone reaches 2500 posts and 200 rep do they get their rep taken just because of that. :S

I think their should be an announcment from Mad stating the "new" rules/ policy Habbox has set if this is the case.

I never ignore a PM. I dare you to PM me and not get a positive and helpful response.
Rep power that's earned through those means are taken into account although they are not shown as reputation that has be earned in the AdminCP, if that had occurred to any user I would have been aware of it and after investigating the users reputation I would have taken that into account and removed a lot less reputation as there should have been a lot less pointless rep if the user had gained 2 rep power through posts and registration time.

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=365380 <-- that being said I do agree that a more enforcing Announcement should be made regarding pointless reputation.


you speak sence!
o btw what if u get pointless reped nick do u remove it

If I receive pointless rep I have to remove it, its against Habbox Forum Rules, this includes positive rep. Earlier today I removed a +rep point received from Lost-Shark because he was just spreading it around.
What kind of Administrator would I be if I considered myself exempt from the Rules? :)

[Zuar]

course he doesnt hes well cheeky
I know how bad are the staff here,
STANDARDS ARE FALLING!

EDIT:

Nick if you do remove it, it's fair enough.

[jesus]

That thread was not what got 3 bars of reputation removed, the fact that you had gained 3 bars of reputation in such a short space of time was what raised my suspicions and once I checked through your reputation for the last month I had to remove them. If you had genuinely earned all the reputation none of it would have been removed, this includes rep power gained through posts and being registered on the Forum for a period of time.dont you think my idea (second one of my posts in huge font) would have been a better idea?

everyone with a high rep power obviously has pointless reps so whys it just a select few of us that get it removed just because our power has gone up quickly?

surely you should investigate every person with a high rep power as most of their points would be given to them in hope for a return one, making them pointless



What kind of Administrator would I be if I considered myself exempt from the Rules? :)a better one than you are now. lost-shark has like 3 rep power and im sure you didnt get all those lovely green blocks for non-pointless reps.


http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=365380 <-- that being said I do agree that a more enforcing Announcement should be made regarding pointless reputation.you should have given us warning (as i said) for instance 'from today onwards ALL POINTLESS REP WILL BE REMOVED'

then the admins would be happy and so would we.

[VPSwow]

That thread was not what got 3 bars of reputation removed, the fact that you had gained 3 bars of reputation in such a short space of time was what raised my suspicions and once I checked through your reputation for the last month I had to remove them. If you had genuinely earned all the reputation none of it would have been removed, this includes rep power gained through posts and being registered on the Forum for a period of time.



I did answer, I said that I must not have seen it accidentally, regardless of what was edited in that thread it was not that thread that resulted in downfall losing 3 rep power.



I never ignore a PM. I dare you to PM me and not get a positive and helpful response.
Rep power that's earned through those means are taken into account although they are not shown as reputation that has be earned in the AdminCP, if that had occurred to any user I would have been aware of it and after investigating the users reputation I would have taken that into account and removed a lot less reputation as there should have been a lot less pointless rep if the user had gained 2 rep power through posts and registration time.

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=365380 <-- that being said I do agree that a more enforcing Announcement should be made regarding pointless reputation.



If I receive pointless rep I have to remove it, its against Habbox Forum Rules, this includes positive rep. Earlier today I removed a +rep point received from Lost-Shark because he was just spreading it around.
What kind of Administrator would I be if I considered myself exempt from the Rules? :)

Hmm thanks for taking the time to reply.

I think if an announcment was made and something was sorted for example.

From now on any pointless rep WILL be removed. And any previous rep will stay will stop all this nonsence.

I will give Nick his due, as it would be hard having lots of members moaning at him.

[jesus]

Hmm thanks for taking the time to reply.

I think if an announcment was made and something was sorted for example.

From now on any pointless rep WILL be removed. And any previous rep will stay will stop all this nonsence.

I will give Nick his due, as it would be hard having lots of members moaning at him.that was my suggestion but hes just gone straight in and took loads off us =/

if you could give back what youve taken and then apply that rule (the one above in red) i wouldnt have any problem at all

[Nick-]

dont you think my idea (second one of my posts in huge font) would have been a better idea?

everyone with a high rep power obviously has pointless reps so whys it just a select few of us that get it removed just because our power has gone up quickly?

surely you should investigate every person with a high rep power as most of their points would be given to them in hope for a return one, making them pointless


a better one than you are now. lost-shark has like 3 rep power and im sure you didnt get all those lovely green blocks for non-pointless reps.

you should have given us warning (as i said) for instance 'from today onwards ALL POINTLESS REP WILL BE REMOVED'

then the admins would be happy and so would we.

As I said to you in the PM, I will gradually be running through the majority of users with ridiculously high rep power. You even said it yourself, it took me 1 hour 15 minutes to deal with your reputation alone, imagine how long it will take to deal with users of a much higher reputation level.
I will not be penalising any individual users in regards to this, cracking down on pointless reputation has become one of my top priorites.

How am I supposed to prove you right or wrong on that second point, I would need to quote all reputation I've ever received, not only would that take a long time but it would also be against Habbox Forum Rules to post them on the Forum. Furthermore, I have only reversed any pointless reputation gained in the past month, I haven't received much reputation in the past month, in fact, the last large group of rep I gained was from my most recent theme room thread which was posted at the end of August.
Also, the Admins are happy, they were the ones that initiated the crackdown on pointless rep.

[VPSwow]

Well if you give Mad a chance to come on and read it im sure something will get done.

For now i suggest we all just calm down and leave it at this for now.

[jesus]

As I said to you in the PM, I will gradually be running through the majority of users with ridiculously high rep power. You even said it yourself, it took me 1 hour 15 minutes to deal with your reputation alone, imagine how long it will take to deal with users of a much higher reputation level.
I will not be penalising any individual users in regards to this, cracking down on pointless reputation has become one of my top priorites.

How am I supposed to prove you right or wrong on that second point, I would need to quote all reputation I've ever received, not only would that take a long time but it would also be against Habbox Forum Rules to post them on the Forum. Furthermore, I have only reversed any pointless reputation gained in the past month, I haven't received much reputation in the past month, in fact, the last large group of rep I gained was from my most recent theme room thread which was posted at the end of August.
Also, the Admins are happy, they were the ones that initiated the crackdown on pointless rep.i dont want you to prove me wrong its just my view, i may be incorrect but i dont care

at the end of my idea i wrote 'it would keep the admins AND the members happy'

so the admins are happy but the members arent - not a very good situation is it?



in regard to the first part of your post which i quoted, i dont expect you to go through everyones profiles and spend hours doing this.

if my idea was in operation, you wouldnt have to as the rep which has already been received remains untouched and pointless rep from now on would only be removed.


I think if an announcment was made and something was sorted for example.

From now on any pointless rep WILL be removed. And any previous rep will stay will stop all this nonsence.

[Nick-]

i dont want you to prove me wrong its just my view, i may be incorrect but i dont care

at the end of my idea i wrote 'it would keep the admins AND the members happy'

so the admins are happy but the members arent - not a very good situation is it?



in regard to the first part of your post which i quoted, i dont expect you to go through everyones profiles and spend hours doing this.

if my idea was in operation, you wouldnt have to as the rep which has already been received remains untouched and pointless rep from now on would only be removed.


Thanks for pointing that one out, its not the most convenient of situations and the only way to change it is to raise flags and make us aware of issues, which you have done here and you've even suggeted a way of fixing it. Commendable indeed, we are always looking for ways to improve. Although there would have been a much easier and more convenient way to sort this out via PM and not get the entire Feedback section involved. ;)
I'll be sure to pass on the idea and see what can be done about it.

[jesus]

Thanks for pointing that one out, its not the most convenient of situations and the only way to change it is to raise flags and make us aware of issues, which you have done here and you've even suggeted a way of fixing it. Commendable indeed, we are always looking for ways to improve. Although there would have been a much easier and more convenient way to sort this out via PM and not get the entire Feedback section involved. ;)
I'll be sure to pass on the idea and see what can be done about it.if our reputation could be 'refunded' or something that would make everybody happy.

i happen to know how much i had before this happened ad i took a screenshot just before you started removing it, but you could probably check and give back what was taken if this idea comes into play.

as a few people were involved in this thread i think it is clear that its not just me who feels this way, it just happened to be yourself and i 'debating' towards the end. :nrhcplastotable:

[Sly]

Omg you say you never ignore a pm but you ignored me when i pm'd you the other day >:{

[Nick-]

if our reputation could be 'refunded' or something that would make everybody happy.

i happen to know how much i had before this happened ad i took a screenshot just before you started removing it, but you could probably check and give back what was taken if this idea comes into play.

as a few people were involved in this thread i think it is clear that its not just me who feels this way, it just happened to be yourself and i 'debating' towards the end. :nrhcplastotable:


If it comes to that I'm sure the evidence will be useful. :nrhcplastotable:


Omg you say you never ignore a pm but you ignored me when i pm'd you the other day >:{

We are recommended not to respond to infraction PMs unless it is a genuine question rather than suggesting that I should be sacked over a bullying infraction. :rolleyes:

[Immenseman]

Some people get to worked up about rep.. I don't know whether this has been said and I can't be bothered to read it all. I personally think that rep shouldn't be touched unless you have posted in the report repuatation problems. Although to be fair Nick is only doing his job and sticking by the rules. The fact that no other vip editor has done it isn't Nicks fault, kk.

[Jordie]

what happens if the user has braught the rep
does it still get removed, surely that isnt allowed?

[Nick-]

Rep thats been bought doesnt show up in the AdminCP when viewing reputation comments. :)

[Yoshimitsui]

what happens if the user has braught the rep
does it still get removed, surely that isnt allowed?

As Nick- said, it's added manually! Not through a users post;)

[d3re]

*Removed*

Edited by Nick- (Forum Administrator): Do not post inappropriately.

[nvrspk4]

Hey,

I haven't even bothered to read the whole thread, because I don't think I would get any valid points from it. So let me just make a few general statements.

1) STOP TALKING LIKE THIS

It doesn't make us want to listen to you. Really.


2) Stop making an all out attack on Nick. When you attack one of my coworkers, my claws come out. And you do not wanna see the claws! In all honesty, stop the personal attacks on Nick or further action will be taken. My job as Staff Editor is to make sure that Staff are held to the highest standard. But by the same token, since they can't be as free with their words as members are, I also protect them. You accuse Nick of bullying but instead take a whole thread to flame him and gang up on him...over reputation.

3) Make valid points instead of screaming at the top of your lungs. Mature posts would make me actually read this. Then I saw the types of posts, and I just skimmed through. I barely read anything.

4) Pointless rep, is, was, and always has been against the rules. Therefore, there is no premise to say that we "have" to warn you. If you wish, we can post an announcement about it. But since pointless rep has always been illegitimate, I see no basis to the claim of a "this day forward" type thing.

5) Habbox reserves the right to modify your account whenever we so wish. We try not to excersize this power, but if we feel audits are necessary (due to unfair reputation, for instance) we have the power to do it. We don't like to excersize that power much (for example, sierk could actually edit any of your accounts right now, mess up your settings, and change you signature, and be within the rules. Would he? No. We excersize the power rarely.

6) Do you realize that you're throwing a hissy fit over reputation?

[Nemo]

Hey,

I haven't even bothered to read the whole thread, because I don't think I would get any valid points from it. So let me just make a few general statements.

1) STOP TALKING LIKE THIS

It doesn't make us want to listen to you. Really.


2) Stop making an all out attack on Nick. When you attack one of my coworkers, my claws come out. And you do not wanna see the claws! In all honesty, stop the personal attacks on Nick or further action will be taken. My job as Staff Editor is to make sure that Staff are held to the highest standard. But by the same token, since they can't be as free with their words as members are, I also protect them. You accuse Nick of bullying but instead take a whole thread to flame him and gang up on him...over reputation.

3) Make valid points instead of screaming at the top of your lungs. Mature posts would make me actually read this. Then I saw the types of posts, and I just skimmed through. I barely read anything.

4) Pointless rep, is, was, and always has been against the rules. Therefore, there is no premise to say that we "have" to warn you. If you wish, we can post an announcement about it. But since pointless rep has always been illegitimate, I see no basis to the claim of a "this day forward" type thing.

5) Habbox reserves the right to modify your account whenever we so wish. We try not to excersize this power, but if we feel audits are necessary (due to unfair reputation, for instance) we have the power to do it. We don't like to excersize that power much (for example, sierk could actually edit any of your accounts right now, mess up your settings, and change you signature, and be within the rules. Would he? No. We excersize the power rarely.

6) Do you realize that you're throwing a hissy fit over reputation?

1) Only one of us did
2) Well it seems to of happened since he came, thats all.
3) Some of us were acting mature.
4) But before, you couldn't just go through our profiles and take it, we would have to report rep. That is why we wanted some warning atleast.
5) I just see that as unfair, but its your rules i guess.
6) YESSSSSSSSSS :{[[[ Nah its just the principal of it.


I don't really wanna have an arguement, or discussion, or debate.

[jesus]

Hey,

I haven't even bothered to read the whole thread, because I don't think I would get any valid points from it. So let me just make a few general statements.

1) STOP TALKING LIKE THIS

It doesn't make us want to listen to you. Really.


2) Stop making an all out attack on Nick. When you attack one of my coworkers, my claws come out. And you do not wanna see the claws! In all honesty, stop the personal attacks on Nick or further action will be taken. My job as Staff Editor is to make sure that Staff are held to the highest standard. But by the same token, since they can't be as free with their words as members are, I also protect them. You accuse Nick of bullying but instead take a whole thread to flame him and gang up on him...over reputation.

3) Make valid points instead of screaming at the top of your lungs. Mature posts would make me actually read this. Then I saw the types of posts, and I just skimmed through. I barely read anything.

4) Pointless rep, is, was, and always has been against the rules. Therefore, there is no premise to say that we "have" to warn you. If you wish, we can post an announcement about it. But since pointless rep has always been illegitimate, I see no basis to the claim of a "this day forward" type thing.

5) Habbox reserves the right to modify your account whenever we so wish. We try not to excersize this power, but if we feel audits are necessary (due to unfair reputation, for instance) we have the power to do it. We don't like to excersize that power much (for example, sierk could actually edit any of your accounts right now, mess up your settings, and change you signature, and be within the rules. Would he? No. We excersize the power rarely.

6) Do you realize that you're throwing a hissy fit over reputation?In regard to number one - the only reason I felt I had to type like that was because Nick wasn't reasing my posts, so I asked him to reply to the one I wrote and he said he couldn't find it. The large font was to make it more clear for him to see.

In regard to all the other points raised - I guess the 'customer' doesn't always come first then. One thing which makes the Administrators happy has raised many problems with members, but as long as you Admins are happy then it's all okay isn't it?

[Shawnstra]

The problem is what you people class as pointless. If someone helped me on Habbo, like did a safe trade or something, repping someone on Habbox forum should ok. Maybe there should be places except threads where people can rep people, but provide a valid reason. I know HabboxForum has the rights to remove rep and what they are doing currently is perfectly right, however maybe there may be a way for both the people who had the positive reputation removed and the staff to be happy. However I feel that the people mentioned may have actual pointless rep, maybe HabboxForum can look into refining the rep system. Rep should not be able to be bought as it is also pointless.

Please don't flame me or anything, just my opinion :)

[:Delirium]

downfall and doomsboy, i agree, basically you guys care more bout staff then members, imagine this: You have 50 mods 10 s mods, 3 admins and 2 owners (just an example), and due to your actions lets say all the vips/normal members leave, all thats left is the administration and staff, doesnt feel nice when the forum has to shut down does it?

[Shawnstra]

downfall and doomsboy, i agree, basically you guys care more bout staff then members, imagine this: You have 50 mods 10 s mods, 3 admins and 2 owners (just an example), and due to your actions lets say all the vips/normal members leave, all thats left is the administration and staff, doesnt feel nice when the forum has to shut down does it?

I don't get you. I was just stating how the reputation system could be done so that both the staff and the members benefit, and if the system I suggested is implemented, everyone will be happy. Both the staff and members get what they want. I agree with someone who has stated earlier, make it so that all pointless +reps until now not be removed, only after this as not many people were aware of this before.

[nvrspk4]

1) Only one of us did
2) Well it seems to of happened since he came, thats all.
3) Some of us were acting mature.
4) But before, you couldn't just go through our profiles and take it, we would have to report rep. That is why we wanted some warning atleast.
5) I just see that as unfair, but its your rules i guess.
6) YESSSSSSSSSS :{[[[ Nah its just the principal of it.


I don't really wanna have an arguement, or discussion, or debate.

1) Yeah fair enough. As I said, I basically skimmed.
2) Actually a while ago people threw tantrums because Joshuar did it. And if anyone was here a looong time ago, there was a huge pointless rep thread in the staff forum, I went through thirty some odd pages and removed hundreds of points of rep simply because I felt the staff were setting a bad example.
3) Yes I tend to generalize when the vast majority is doing one thing. Some people were mature.
4) Well, you shouldn't be giving out pointless reputation anyway, the option shouldn't really be there for people to "keep" pointless reputation.

I can understand where you're coming from, I don't agree, but thank you for at least being mature and rational about it.


In regard to number one - the only reason I felt I had to type like that was because Nick wasn't reasing my posts, so I asked him to reply to the one I wrote and he said he couldn't find it. The large font was to make it more clear for him to see.

The easier way to ensure a reply is a personal message :P


In regard to all the other points raised - I guess the 'customer' doesn't always come first then. One thing which makes the Administrators happy has raised many problems with members, but as long as you Admins are happy then it's all okay isn't it?

Not to be rude or anything, but do you think it makes us happy to have to deal with all these arguments over rep, that it makes us happy to have to do so much work to sort out just the negative reps, or happy to spend time deleting pointless reps? No...its work. If we were lazy and not committed to our jobs, we wouldn't do it. We are simply enforcing the rules that are in place.


The problem is what you people class as pointless. If someone helped me on Habbo, like did a safe trade or something, repping someone on Habbox forum should ok. Maybe there should be places except threads where people can rep people, but provide a valid reason. I know HabboxForum has the rights to remove rep and what they are doing currently is perfectly right, however maybe there may be a way for both the people who had the positive reputation removed and the staff to be happy. However I feel that the people mentioned may have actual pointless rep, maybe HabboxForum can look into refining the rep system. Rep should not be able to be bought as it is also pointless.

Please don't flame me or anything, just my opinion :)

I do completely agree with one thing you said, which is that rep should not be bought. We've tried again and again to eliminate that, it doesn't seem to be working.

If someone does a safe trade with you, you could always rep them in the thread saying safe trade, it may or may not be pointless depending on how you do it. But in all honesty, is it that hard to find a legitimately good post or alt and give a minute of thought to give an actual valid reputation?


downfall and doomsboy, i agree, basically you guys care more bout staff then members, imagine this: You have 50 mods 10 s mods, 3 admins and 2 owners (just an example), and due to your actions lets say all the vips/normal members leave, all thats left is the administration and staff, doesnt feel nice when the forum has to shut down does it?

We make rules, and we enforce the rules. We can't allow rules to just sit there. Reputation causes so many arguments on the forum that its ridiculous. Absolutely insane. We have to take steps to bring the situation under control, because an unnaturally large portion of rulebreaking is reputation issues, second only to things such as avoiding the filter and rudeness. (And possibly accusing of scamming.)

[Actor]

Right, half of my rep was bought for me. My old account became mysteriously banned and so i had to make new one. I had about 3/4rep power/bars on this account so i asked someone to buy me some rep for this account. Only reason i had someone buy me rep was the simple fact i used to do alot of runescape>habbo/habbo>runescape trading. When new people came to the forum, half of the time rep was all they cared about. So i thought it would be needed. Anyway i kind of drifted off topic there :S

Most people on habboxforum's reputation points/bars will be made up of at the VERY least 1/4 pointless + rep, this is just the simple fact that many people rep so it can be returned, or because of rep being spread. I think Nick is doing the correct thing by removing pointless +reps as they are pointless and have not been earned. However, i can clearly see where alot of these people are coming from, as people could lose alot of rep by this happening and may find it unfair.

My overall opinion is that you should all just get on with it and live with it. It is only a green block or a couple of rep points lower. When you quit habboxforum and habbo and start doing more important things with your life you will see that it actually isn't that important and actually not worth complaining about.
Many people may say, "you wouldn't like it if your rep gets removed" But i honestly don't mind, hell i'll even volunteer :) Nick you can remove my pointless reps if you want, not like there needed?

Anyway, enough of my ******** :)

[Shawnstra]

I do completely agree with one thing you said, which is that rep should not be bought. We've tried again and again to eliminate that, it doesn't seem to be working.

If someone does a safe trade with you, you could always rep them in the thread saying safe trade, it may or may not be pointless depending on how you do it. But in all honesty, is it that hard to find a legitimately good post or alt and give a minute of thought to give an actual valid reputation?


Yes, after all reputation is about how trusted a person is. However, there is a problem with what you just posted. Some people may have made a safe trade without posting it on Habbo. Maybe make it (if possible) so we can rep people on their profile? However, I would like to ask a question. Does pointless mean pointless to that thread, or pointless as a whole? Because sometimes I owe people rep, and when I can rep them, I usually don't go back to the same thread.

Once again, just my opinion, please don't flame me :)

[JackBuddy]

Pretty pointless removing rep if you can waste money buying it.

[jesus]

Not to be rude or anything, but do you think it makes us happy to have to deal with all these arguments over rep, that it makes us happy to have to do so much work to sort out just the negative reps, or happy to spend time deleting pointless reps? No...its work. If we were lazy and not committed to our jobs, we wouldn't do it. We are simply enforcing the rules that are in place.it makes you happy that 'pointless' reputation is not being given, but myself and i presume other forum members dont appreciate having our reputation taken without prior warning as this hasnt happened so much in the past.

i just dont see what the big deal is, if you say 'its only reputation' then i dont see why:

a) we should have the ability to get them removed
b) you care so much about 'pointless' ones being given - no other forums are like this
c) we can buy reputation, thus making it pointless but you are okay with that.

[JackBuddy]

Why are mods wasting time on removing rep? After you say it's 'only reputation' you have more important things to be dealing with- making this forum decent again.

[Neversoft]

Why are mods wasting time on removing rep? After you say it's 'only reputation' you have more important things to be dealing with- making this forum decent again.

That is actually a very good point. Nvr said to me rep is a silly thing to get banned over, so the mods are actually wasting their time with these 'silly things' instead of moderating the forum. Well, whoever deals with rep is anyway. Rep doesn't need moderating, just go back to the old days when you reported bad rep and it got removed, problem solved, everyone happy. Don't see the problem with pointless +REPPING people anyway. You just don't allow it so people will buy rep instead - Well, who actually buys rep anyway? Just allow it and remove the buy rep feature.

[nvrspk4]

Yes, after all reputation is about how trusted a person is. However, there is a problem with what you just posted. Some people may have made a safe trade without posting it on Habbo. Maybe make it (if possible) so we can rep people on their profile? However, I would like to ask a question. Does pointless mean pointless to that thread, or pointless as a whole? Because sometimes I owe people rep, and when I can rep them, I usually don't go back to the same thread.

Once again, just my opinion, please don't flame me :)

Why not just find a good post? And yes, "owed" reps would be classed as pointless if you didn't rep the correct post. It takes a minute to find the right one, I don't see it as a big burden :P

You won't ever be flamed for your opinion - I won't necessarily agree with you, but unless you break the rules or say something stupid such as "Lithuanians should not be permitted to post on the forums" I wouldn't even question your morals :P


Pretty pointless removing rep if you can waste money buying it.

I agree. We're trying very hard to get this removed.


it makes you happy that 'pointless' reputation is not being given, but myself and i presume other forum members dont appreciate having our reputation taken without prior warning as this hasnt happened so much in the past.

i just dont see what the big deal is, if you say 'its only reputation' then i dont see why:

a) we should have the ability to get them removed
b) you care so much about 'pointless' ones being given - no other forums are like this
c) we can buy reputation, thus making it pointless but you are okay with that.

Personally I don't understand what everyone is basing their claims on...not having warning? You had warning - because pointless reputation has been against the rules for a year, maybe even two or three. We are just stepping up enforcement now.

a) Why should we not be allowed to remove them? (I'm assuming that's what you mean)
b) It results in a large amount of rulebreaking
c) Yes, I agree, we should change it.


Why are mods wasting time on removing rep? After you say it's 'only reputation' you have more important things to be dealing with- making this forum decent again.


That is actually a very good point. Nvr said to me rep is a silly thing to get banned over, so the mods are actually wasting their time with these 'silly things' instead of moderating the forum. Well, whoever deals with rep is anyway. Rep doesn't need moderating, just go back to the old days when you reported bad rep and it got removed, problem solved, everyone happy. Don't see the problem with pointless +REPPING people anyway. You just don't allow it so people will buy rep instead - Well, who actually buys rep anyway? Just allow it and remove the buy rep feature.

In response to the above points, the reputation system has become point of high contention among the forum members, as I have stated earlier. Often, members with less rep are looked down on, and people with more rep aren't. Additionally, people are repping each other to amass these huge rep powers, and then they are using these rep powers to bully those they don't like - leaving -reps every few days, manipulating people for +/- reps, and generally abusing the entire system. Therefore, we've made a concerted attempt to crack down on things like this.

Regardless of whether we remove -rep or not, people still do use it to bully and manipulate, and reputation, both good and bad, accounts for a high percentage of rulebreaking.

By the way, when I said "rep is a silly thing to get banned over" I meant someone would be silly to get so obsessed over the reputation system that they got themselves banned - not because we shouldn't ban because of the reputation system (though this should only be used in some cases, the reputation related bans I've dealt out deal with abuse with negative reps and impersonating others in reputation comments.)

[Verrou]

So your saying, if we want one single rep removed u can go and remove more? That's stupid, because someone -repped me saying "No, i'm alright thanks. & the thing is, if you report this rep, all of your other rep will get removed by Nick. (:" and it's pointless but i don't want to report it because more than that one will be removed o_O CHANGE THE RULES

[Nick-]

So your saying, if we want one single rep removed u can go and remove more? That's stupid, because someone -repped me saying "No, i'm alright thanks. & the thing is, if you report this rep, all of your other rep will get removed by Nick. (:" and it's pointless but i don't want to report it because more than that one will be removed o_O CHANGE THE RULES
The Rules have not changed recently, pointless reputation has been against the Rules for a long time and the right to reverse pointless +rep has been in place for quite some time as stated in large blue text in the report rep thread.
The Rule that the Reputation Editor has the right to check through all of your reputation when you report a -rep is not new, I'm just enforcing it a lot more than previous Editors as a result of a substantial crackdown on pointless reputation. When you receive a -rep you have 2 choices: stick with it, don't report it and don't risk getting all pointless reputation removed or report it, have the chance to get the rep removed and risk losing all pointless reputation you have received in the last month.
It's a risk you have to take if you know you're right and are guaranteed to get the -rep removed (judging by the sound of the comment it sounds a little unfair), a certain few users have already bitten the bullet and reported -rep when they know they may have +rep removed too, once I remove the +rep they have nothing to worry about as they've lost the majority of pointless reputation from the previous month already.

Note: I would just like to emphasise that I only go through the last month of received reputation, it's unfair for me to go through reputation gained over a month ago. ;)

[whoooosh]

i got like 100 +rep removed
was not pleased

[Wizzdom]

I believe i had some removed when i had reported some, its the risk you have to take if you want something removed. You shouldnt be moaning 24/7 about it. Its done, nothing is going to change.

[dannyisnotamazing]

If you get a 1-rep which takes of 1 rep but in the same week got 250+ pointless +reps then it's quite obvious your gunna get it removed so just think about it. xD

[jesus]

I believe i had some removed when i had reported some, its the risk you have to take if you want something removed. You shouldnt be moaning 24/7 about it. Its done, nothing is going to change.i was complaining for a short while because mine was removed with no prior warning despite me reporting NONE to be removed.

[jesus]

a) Why should we not be allowed to remove them? (I'm assuming that's what you mean)
b) It results in a large amount of rulebreaking
c) Yes, I agree, we should change it.to put it simply, i dont understand why it is against the rules because no other forums have rules regarding reputation, and some even promote giving reputation at every possible chance.

im not saying this forum should be like that, but there should be no rule on giving what you call 'pointless reputation' as this is the only forum that ive ever seen which has been this tight on the reputation system. theres no need.

Edited by opensourcehost (Forum Super Moderator): Please do not multiple post.

[buttons]

i ad a million rep
where did it go
I PAYED FOR IT

[Cixso]

i ad a million rep
where did it go
I PAYED FOR IT

Don't spam...

I think the rule is fair and Nick is doing his job properly.

[Agesilaus]

In my opinion, reputation should be given with a stated and fair reason, but I'm not going to bother if someone gave me good rep with no reason stated. If it's the rules then it is something we just have to abide by, it's up the management on how the rules go. If that is what Nick has been instructed to enforce then that is his job. That's fine.