Muslim Prisoners set to sue prison over ham butties..

[-:Undertaker:-]

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Prisoners shouldn't have rights, one you commit a crime your rights should cease to exist. This is political correctness gone mad - again.

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[Loqo]

What is the world coming to. Ham Butties? Their was another thing like this where Muslims working in supermarkets didnt want to touch the Alcholol and put it up on the shelfes because it was against their religion. Pathetic i think.

[Ezzie.]

It's their beliefs.. gotta respect them if they're prisoners or not.. but the whole sueing act is taking it abit far/milking it for all it's worth.

[VPSwow]

That is just pathetic if you ask me.

[jackass]

Oh dear...

[Nemo]

What is the world coming to. Ham Butties? Their was another thing like this where Muslims working in supermarkets didnt want to touch the Alcholol and put it up on the shelfes because it was against their religion. Pathetic i think.
Its their religion, respect it.

I think sueing is a bit far though, and the protesting......

[Frodo13.]

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Prisoners shouldn't have rights, one you commit a crime your rights should cease to exist. This is political correctness gone mad - again.

What, so everytime someone commits a crime they loose all their rights? Does this include car fines, or silly things such a littering?

Im assuming you mean serious crimes, where prison is a punishment? I agree to come degree. For rapists and murders I agree with you, but not sure about other things. Depends where you draw the line really.

[:Liam]

Even if someone commits a crime their are still human so they should be aloud basic human rights. Anyway if I was in that position I wouldnt sue, I would just ask for it not to happen again and they werent forced to eat it?

[Antony]

Even if someone commits a crime their are still human so they should be aloud basic human rights. Anyway if I was in that position I wouldnt sue, I would just ask for it not to happen again and they werent forced to eat it?

I agree with you but to be honest, they come to our country, commit crime and then complain when they aren't fed up to their standards? Perhaps if they didn't commit the crime or whatever they did to be in their, they could pick exactly what food they wanted in the real world?

[:Liam]

I agree with you but to be honest, they come to our country, commit crime and then complain when they aren't fed up to their standards? Perhaps if they didn't commit the crime or whatever they did to be in their, they could pick exactly what food they wanted in the real world?
Alot of muslims were actually born here so you cant say they "came over to this country". Maybe their parents/grand-parents came over to our country. but if they were born here and had an English pasport they are classed as English. If a vegetarian was in prision they wouldn't be fed meat? So surely it would be the same for someone who was religious?

[lAdmire]

Well, if they weren't in jail they wouldn't have to worry about this. Yes, we should all respect other people's religion but like you said, in jail you have no rights.

[GommeInc]

Just don't look at them or eat them "/ There are more prisoners in prison who may eat ham etc or have no real problem with it than there are muslim prisoners. Just stick your fingers up at them "/

[Jordy]

I agree with Undertaker I'm afraid... this sort of stuff winds me up. If you get given a ham buttie? Then don't eat it.

And even if they where given ham butties by accident, that's not a crime, it's a mistake, they didn't even eat it anyway. Anyway why do they need compensation, they didn't eat it and I'm sure they could of eaten something else.

[GommeInc]

I agree with Undertaker I'm afraid... this sort of stuff winds me up. If you get given a ham buttie? Then don't eat it.

And even if they where given ham butties by accident, that's not a crime, it's a mistake, they didn't even eat it anyway. Anyway why do they need compensation, they didn't eat it and I'm sure they could of eaten something else.
And most importantly, I doubt they were even forced to eat them "/

Also, whoever mentioned something about we should respect other peoples beliefs... It's idiotic to think we have to respect one view and not another. They were not force fed, they did not need to eat them and they do not even have to look at them.

[RedCrisps]

shouldn't come to england,
with there main breakfast as a pig

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[GommeInc]

shouldn't come to england,
with there main breakfast as a pig

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ARE ****
Not all muslims are from Pakistan...

[JackBuddy]

No offence, but this is England. If they move here they should expect it, regardless of beliefs.

[Axel]

That's not very kosher.

[cocaine]

He claimed that some inmates were so hungry they ended up eating the sandwiches.

jesus ******* christ why did they complain then? they ******* ate it!

[Axel]

Pakistan is mostly Hindu isn't it? And Sikh? I thought Islam was mainly in Saudi Arabia, Iran etc.. probably wrong.

[Hayd93]

dont like our rules dont come simple

in there country we have to waear all the turbans and that or you basicly get harrased and sometimes shot.In this country all we ask is they take them of they start crying racist they should be chucked out i aint racist but come on the things the demand is stupid

[--ss--]

Yes they got treated unfairly but talk about milking it to all it's worth.

Redcrisps , how do you know they're from a certain country? They could be a white English person who have converted and could have been treated like this.

But prison isn't meant to be an ideal heaven , if they didn't want to be treated like they did then they shouldn't have broken they law , I'm sure they wouldn't be very religious (all depends on what law they broke) if they are willing to break the law.

[RedCrisps]

i hate pakis and i can't stand them there alloowed to go round saying I AM A ****.
soon as we say it, were shot! THERE TAKING OVER THIS COUNTRY. VOTE BNP! MAKE PEOPLE USE VISA'S TO GET INTO THIS COUNTRY FGS.

[DiscoPat]

No offence, but this is England. If they move here they should expect it, regardless of beliefs.

your just stupid. are you telling me just because somone came over to england they should expect to be given somthing they cant eat and that they have to eat it? :rolleyes:

[MattyBoy]

i hate pakis and i can't stand them there alloowed to go round saying I AM A ****.
soon as we say it, were shot! THERE TAKING OVER THIS COUNTRY. VOTE BNP! MAKE PEOPLE USE VISA'S TO GET INTO THIS COUNTRY FGS.

I hate them aswell, they keep being idiots to me.

Anyway http://i12.tinypic.com/6809rhu.gif

[Hitman]

your just stupid. are you telling me just because somone came over to england they should expect to be given somthing they cant eat and that they have to eat it? :rolleyes:I wouldn't say he's stupid. :) You're regarding this case, ok I'll go with it to. They shouldn't be in prison in the first place, they got themselves there. Secondly, I doubt they were forced to eat it.

When in Rome do like the Romans... or whatever the saying is.

[You]

It's their beliefs.. gotta respect them if they're prisoners or not.. but the whole sueing act is taking it abit far/milking it for all it's worth.
Agree.

[Virgin Mary]

Screw human rights. Next you'll have prisoners complaining that their human rights have been violated because they're being held against their will. Sorry you're not allowed to eat ham but you can fly planes into our buildings and blow up our trains, we'll try and be a little more considerate next time.

[Lycan]

Screw human rights. Next you'll have prisoners complaining that their human rights have been violated because they're being held against their will. Sorry you're not allowed to eat ham but you can fly planes into our buildings and blow up our trains, we'll try and be a little more considerate next time.

try and avoid the evil sterrotype on that one shall we ;)


Its stupid that they are saying they'll do it, if you don't want it don't eat it!

Its probebly come about because of the hours upon hours of boredom they face and anger for not being free... they cook up a ham plan

[GommeInc]

Were they jailed for terrorism or for something else and just so happened to be muslim? Not that it changes anything, because they didn't have to eat them...

[8008135]

your just stupid. are you telling me just because somone came over to england they should expect to be given somthing they cant eat and that they have to eat it? :rolleyes:
Am I correct in assuming you're "one of them"?

[Virgin Mary]

try and avoid the evil sterrotype on that one shall we ;)


Its stupid that they are saying they'll do it, if you don't want it don't eat it!

Its probebly come about because of the hours upon hours of boredom they face and anger for not being free... they cook up a ham plan
Then they shouldn't eat it and go hungry. Beggars can't be choosers.

[Minstrels]

If the prisoners were made to eatt and there was no other option but to go hungry then they should be allowed to sue however if there was a second choice the prisoners should not be allowed to sue, simple. ;)

[--ss--]

Then they shouldn't eat it and go hungry. Beggars can't be choosers.
Well I doubt you'd be saying that if a vegetarian getting served the same sandwich?...

Anyway no one were forcing the cell inmates to eat the sandwich , if they didn't want to starve the prisoners could of used their brains and taken out the ham and just ate the bread instead of eating the meat.

[Virgin Mary]

Well I doubt you'd be saying that if a vegetarian getting served the same sandwich?...

Anyway no one were forcing the cell inmates to eat the sandwich , if they didn't want to starve the prisoners could of used their brains and taken out the ham and just ate the bread instead of eating the meat.
I am a vegetarian. Besides, if they're oh so devoutly following their religion then why are they in jail in the first place?

[Roboevil]

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Prisoners shouldn't have rights, one you commit a crime your rights should cease to exist. This is political correctness gone mad - again.
The point of inprisoning criminals is to shut them away from society, considering the reason they're in there is because they're a threat to society. It's not justice if they have their human rights removed from them.
I don't think it's right that these inmates were subject to something like this which is against their beliefs, but it says they were only offered it... it's not like they were forced to eat it--I hope they lose.

[GommeInc]

Prisons have to have food which vegetarians can eat, as far as I am aware anyway.

[Hayd93]

i hate pakis and i can't stand them there alloowed to go round saying I AM A ****.
soon as we say it, were shot! THERE TAKING OVER THIS COUNTRY. VOTE BNP! MAKE PEOPLE USE VISA'S TO GET INTO THIS COUNTRY FGS.


LOL at BMP

for people who dont know what that is it is bascly like what hitler did to the jews they would make all people who have not been born bread in this country and so have there parents they would have to leave and be forced out if they refuse they would be shot or face a punnishment.

[Jinc]

Prisoners shouldn't have rights, one you commit a crime your rights should cease to exist. This is political correctness gone mad - again.

So you're saying they should lose the right to follow thier religion strictly as they have been taught throughout life?
No matter what the circumstances, anyone should be able to choose what they believe in, and be able to question any possible attempts to prevent them from doing so.

No one should be able to tell others what they can/can't believe in. That's fascism.

[360]

What I find more worrying is


More than 200 Muslim inmates at the jail

[Virgin Mary]

LOL at BMP

for people who dont know what that is it is bascly like what hitler did to the jews they would make all people who have not been born bread in this country and so have there parents they would have to leave and be forced out if they refuse they would be shot or face a punnishment.
Jews aren't the ones moaning about Christmas and stuff and blowing us up. If a Muslim breaks a law and justifies it through their religion then they should be deported in my opinion. You don't like it here then go back to your own country, simple as.

[GommeInc]

Even if they do/did like it here, they should follow the law and if they want to blow themselves up for their own religion, they can do it in their own country where they may actually get some attention, which is pretty much all they want anyway.

[-:Undertaker:-]

The point of inprisoning criminals is to shut them away from society, considering the reason they're in there is because they're a threat to society. It's not justice if they have their human rights removed from them.
I don't think it's right that these inmates were subject to something like this which is against their beliefs, but it says they were only offered it... it's not like they were forced to eat it--I hope they lose.

It is justice, did they give the people who they raped and murdered, human rights?


LOL at BMP

for people who dont know what that is it is bascly like what hitler did to the jews they would make all people who have not been born bread in this country and so have there parents they would have to leave and be forced out if they refuse they would be shot or face a punnishment.

You are a very very confused person. The BNP are not against people for no reason, they are against people who come here, get benefits and then commit crimes.


So you're saying they should lose the right to follow thier religion strictly as they have been taught throughout life?
No matter what the circumstances, anyone should be able to choose what they believe in, and be able to question any possible attempts to prevent them from doing so.

No one should be able to tell others what they can/can't believe in. That's fascism.

I haven't said anything about them not being able to do religion, again you are an example of people not reading what I have wrote. I said that prisoners should have no rights, therefore not being able to sue prisons.

[Virgin Mary]

Being imprisoned against your will is against your human rights anyway. What next, prisoners complaining they should be freed because being incacerated violates their human rights? :rolleyes:

[whoooosh]

prisoner or not they still have rights
they are still people

[efq]

In jail you have no rights.
Out of jail you do.

You broke the law you face the punishment

Plus, it was a mistake. They should really learn maybe if they didnt break the law they wouldn't be in this problem...

[Nemo]

Jews aren't the ones moaning about Christmas and stuff and blowing us up. If a Muslim breaks a law and justifies it through their religion then they should be deported in my opinion. You don't like it here then go back to your own country, simple as.Not every muslim is a bomber, there was a black bomber aswell, i remember hearing something. It isn't just asians y'know.

Also@dan, if anyone commits a serious offense then they should be deported. Born here or not you don't want people here who have committed serious crimes, no matter what colour or nationality they are. They should be deported, if they were born here, send them somewhere where have atleast one family member. If they all live here then choose somewhere random and send them there. Since they are prisoners they have no rights and can do nothing.

[Decapitated!]

I doubt they where forced, just take the ham out you stupid *****

[Virgin Mary]

Not every muslim is a bomber, there was a black bomber aswell, i remember hearing something. It isn't just asians y'know.
You're making it sound as if I'm talking about Muslim as a race. I don't care if they're white/black/Asian whatever, they aren't in a position to moan. Also, as I previously said, if they're such good Muslims then why are they in jail? How surpising that no one arguing in their defence has answered me yet.

[GommeInc]

You're making it sound as if I'm talking about Muslim as a race. I don't care if they're white/black/Asian whatever, they aren't in a position to moan. Also, as I previously said, if they're such good Muslims then why are they in jail? How surpising that no one arguing in their defence has answered me yet.
I was thinking that too. If they were good muslims, they would abide by the law and generally be good citizens.

[-:Undertaker:-]

prisoner or not they still have rights
they are still people

So you respect these monsters who rape and murder kids?


In jail you have no rights.
Out of jail you do.

You broke the law you face the punishment

Plus, it was a mistake. They should really learn maybe if they didnt break the law they wouldn't be in this problem...

No you have it wrong.

In American Jails and other foreign jails you don't have rights, but in the politically correct UK prisoners have rights.


Not every muslim is a bomber, there was a black bomber aswell, i remember hearing something. It isn't just asians y'know.

Also@dan, if anyone commits a serious offense then they should be deported. Born here or not you don't want people here who have committed serious crimes, no matter what colour or nationality they are. They should be deported, if they were born here, send them somewhere where have atleast one family member. If they all live here then choose somewhere random and send them there. Since they are prisoners they have no rights and can do nothing.

I agree 100% with deportation, that's why I support the BNP and UKIP

[Nemo]

I agree 100% with deportation, that's why I support the BNP and UKIPI don't agree with deporting every person who is not born here, and i don't agree with just deporting foreigners. Whoever they are you don't want criminals in your country.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I don't agree with deporting every person who is not born here, and i don't agree with just deporting foreigners. Whoever they are you don't want criminals in your country.

Me, BNP and the UKIP have never said let's deport every person not born here.

[DiscoPat]

The point of inprisoning criminals is to shut them away from society, considering the reason they're in there is because they're a threat to society. It's not justice if they have their human rights removed from them.
I don't think it's right that these inmates were subject to something like this which is against their beliefs, but it says they were only offered it... it's not like they were forced to eat it--I hope they lose.

agreed

[Jinc]

I haven't said anything about them not being able to do religion, again you are an example of people not reading what I have wrote. I said that prisoners should have no rights, therefore not being able to sue prisons.

Is them 'being able to do religion' not a right? You need to think twice before you make such an open statment, because it does imply what I said.

[camera]

i read like all the posts and i think i forgotten what some had said i cba reading it all over again so heres my opinion:

i think its stupid to sue just because of that one little thing. like you said, they werent forced to eat it so they just shdnt. i dont understand why they made such a big deal out of it.

and not all muslims are bad. obviously most from the middle east are extremists but that doesnt mean that all of em are. people do make mistakes after all so a muslim breaking the law and being sent to jail is something youd expect of anyone because they ARE human just like all of you. its common. perhaps most of the muslims that were jailed over there are terrorists/extremists whatever but some are probably not. its just not right to judge all muslims as one.

i saw people say "respect other people's beliefs". well you should. you shdnt force them to do what they shdnt. imagine if youre in their shoes and people force you to do something you really hate or something thats against what you believe in. im sure youll get mad or whatever.


It's idiotic to think we have to respect one view and not another.
so how dya have friends if you dont respect another person's view?


I don't care if they're white/black/Asian whatever, they aren't in a position to moan.

who are "they"?? Muslims in general or the prisoners?


So you're saying they should lose the right to follow thier religion strictly as they have been taught throughout life?
No matter what the circumstances, anyone should be able to choose what they believe in, and be able to question any possible attempts to prevent them from doing so.

No one should be able to tell others what they can/can't believe in. That's fascism.

damn right.


I thought Islam was mainly in Saudi Arabia, Iran etc.. probably wrong.
mainly from the middle east i think.


Their was another thing like this where Muslims working in supermarkets didnt want to touch the Alcholol and put it up on the shelfes because it was against their religion. Pathetic i think.
Really? pathetic indeed. im a muslim and ive even tried alchohol. but then again theres nothing wrong with touching it coz theyre not drinking it.

[spot.]

******* muslims takin over england put em back on the boat

[camera]

******* muslims takin over england put em back on the boat

did you even read any of the posts?

[spot.]

did you even read any of the posts?
tbh no just the first 1 but thats not gonna change my views cus they always wanna change englands laws just not in this 1 case

[camera]

tbh no just the first 1 but thats not gonna change my views cus they always wanna change englands laws just not in this 1 case

ooh. they rly did that?

[spot.]

they want to whihc ****** me off thinkin they can change other ppls country

[Nemo]

You're making it sound as if I'm talking about Muslim as a race. I don't care if they're white/black/Asian whatever, they aren't in a position to moan. Also, as I previously said, if they're such good Muslims then why are they in jail? How surpising that no one arguing in their defence has answered me yet.Yes true, but with every religion there is always people who are bad and end up going to jail, made a mistake and have been stupid. People still practice their religions in jail so theirs is to not eat ham. They have gone too far with sueing or w/e but they should of just taken it out the bun as others have said.

[Mandez]

Why did those silly ****'s move here then, working at a supermarket obviously your gona have to stack shelves with stuff, why live here if you cant do simple ******* things.

they should be forced to do this ****, we have to put up with all this political correctness crap, and when we go to their countries be forced to act like them with their way of life.

Our country are push overs, why are we scared of these ****'s they cant really invade us or anything, and anyway i hate the way the police cant arrest a **** if they think hes got a bomb cause its PC, its all bull. :@

[-Soph-]

I find that stupid, they were "offered" not "forced"
very different.

[Mandez]

argh it gets me annoyed that these ****'s cant do simple things.
who gives a **** about religion it shouldnt control your life.

i mean *** there blowing eachother up because of it.
there ******* really uncivilised.

[efq]

argh it gets me annoyed that these ****'s cant do simple things.
who gives a **** about religion it shouldnt control your life.

i mean *** there blowing eachother up because of it.
there ******* really uncivilised.
I agree, they say God tells them to kill people or themselves.

How stupid do you get and no offense to that religion.

[Nemo]

argh it gets me annoyed that these ****'s cant do simple things.
who gives a **** about religion it shouldnt control your life.

i mean *** there blowing eachother up because of it.
there ******* really uncivilised.


I agree, they say God tells them to kill people or themselves.

How stupid do you get and no offense to that religion.You people really are ignorant :S
Its not the muslim faith or any islam. Its a bunch of extremists who are brainwashed by a select few who are just evil. They are civilised and have you seen how many christians are obsessed with god? It's not just them. It's their beliefs and you should respect it.

[Mandez]

i could never respect their beliefs i hate them they cause all this political correctness crap.

and you see lots of christians obsessed with god but i dotn see many christians on the news blowing up the underground or the world trade centres

you know you can call me ignorant but its what i think.
their beliefs in my view rule their lives and i just think there gay.

religion is the source of all evil. :@

[Virgin Mary]

The same goes for Christians like the KKK etc. too. If you're in jail but try and act like you're religious then you're just a hypocrite unless you're Dot Cotton.

[Nemo]

i could never respect their beliefs i hate them they cause all this political correctness crap.
Thats why i called you ignorant, and who does?

and you see lots of christians obsessed with god but i dotn see many christians on the news blowing up the underground or the world trade centresI just told you, they are a small amount of people who give a bad name to islam. They are just brainwashed.


you know you can call me ignorant but its what i think.
their beliefs in my view rule their lives and i just think there gay.
Well, religion rules a lot of peoples lives, not just theirs. Also gay is a stupid insult.


religion is the source of all evil. :@That i agree with, hence im an athiest.

[Axel]

Haven't you ever heard of the Troubles in Ireland? IRA bombings have taken place in other places apart from Ireland, which is worldwide, or at least nationwide. There have been other para militaries in Ireland. And what was it all about? Christianity. Extremist Christians. Don't tell me there aren't Christian extremists blowing up stuff until you've studied the Troubles.

[Mandez]

yeah but the thing that annoys me is.

yeah its a minority of them that do it.
yeah they do it in our country.
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we cant arrest some of them for thinking they are terrorists because its PC.

omg why cant they understand we wana protect our country from the extremists.

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[-:Undertaker:-]

It's fact that the west is more civilised.

[Mandez]

yeah axel but its weird the IRA didnt bomb a tower and kill thousands of people.

and anyway the troubles arnt as bad now as they were.

[Axel]

Mandez you are a real fool to discriminate against just Muslims for doing stupid stuff, and you have also gone off the main issue. There aren't just Muslim extremists. Anyway, this isn't about them bombing stuff, it's about them sueing a prison.

And no they didn't bomb a tower like the twin towers because the twin towers isn't really a target for them... and they didn't plan their attacks like that. They did stuff like car bombs, not crash planes into towers. It's a different way of expressing themselves.

[-:Undertaker:-]

It's fact because the Middle East needs leaders like Saddam Hussein and King Abdullah to keep the peace otherwise blood would just be spilt all the time.

[Mandez]

yeah well the main topic isnt about them blowing stuff up.
but i never made the arugment to carry it on.

let me speak my mind, i hate the east and we should bomb them back.

[Virgin Mary]

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[Mandez]

a different way of expressing themselves.

they could of bombed the houses of parliment if they really wanted to.

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lol virgin mary.

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[Axel]

I know that, I was just trying to defend the Muslims because Mandez thought that they were the own religious extemists, when we have our own extremists within our country, and within our countries main religion.

They didn't bomb the houses of parliament because that would have been stupid. England is generally protestant but the fight was mainly with Ulster.

[Nemo]

a different way of expressing themselves.

they could of bombed the houses of parliment if they really wanted to.

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lol virgin mary.wth? Why be so racist. You disgust me tbh. You can't generalise every single asian person. I could generalise every race and be racist, but i don't because im guess what, not ignorant.

[Mandez]

bombing the houes of parliment would of been stupid ofcourse.

but then again there *Text Removed* extremists who are the IRA ofcourse its stupid but it'd work.

the trade towers was stupid.

there are more **** extremists than christian.
you dont hear about christian extremists blowing up on the news.

and the topic is about the paks not the paddys.

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[Mandez]

wth? Why be so racist. You disgust me tbh. You can't generalise every single asian person. I could generalise every race and be racist, but i don't because im guess what, not ignorant.

yes well... i am generalising every single *removed* who bombs us ..... so..... you know....

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[Mandez]

wth? Why be so racist. You disgust me tbh. You can't generalise every single asian person. I could generalise every race and be racist, but i don't because im guess what, not ignorant.

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[Nemo]

*Message Removed*You said they are more extreme, therefore generalising them all has you gave them a GENERAL name. You lose this arguement.