View Full Version : CS to replace T as Super value basis?
Lost-Shark
06-11-2007, 06:21 PM
Hello people
I have been in touch with Sierk and ---MAD--- and I asked them I fI could replace the T for super values.
E.g If a T was 1 HC and Purple drag was 2T the new value would be 2CS
Please note: T is NOT 1CS and Purp Drag is NOT 2T!
The CS is a VERY stable rare and we believe it would be better to have the super values as CS instead of The Throne which is extremely unstable and moves price all the time basically.
So please answer in the poll :)
Thank you!
All opinions are welcome, please note this change may never happen, but it might.
Isn't CS club sofa? or am i being thick.
Elkaa
06-11-2007, 06:22 PM
You'll end up with certain supers being with 1,600 CS when they first come out (20T)
Lost-Shark
06-11-2007, 06:24 PM
Isn't CS club sofa? or am i being thick.
CS is HC = Habbo Club Sofa :)
You'll end up with certain supers being with 1,600 CS when they first come out (20T)
Yes, but atleast the super values would not have to be changed each time the T goes up/down. The CS is very stable.
Elkaa
06-11-2007, 06:25 PM
However, supers are not traded in CS, they're traded in Thrones ;)
the wombats
06-11-2007, 06:27 PM
i got confused when he said soemthing is 2t = 2cs
i was like eh.
but no not rly, because as elkaa said, supers are traded for in thrones.
Lost-Shark
06-11-2007, 06:27 PM
I know. But thrones are traded in CS.
Its easier with a stable rare
However you do have a point, some people may still trade in Ts, which is entirely up to them :)
Lost-Shark
06-11-2007, 06:27 PM
i got confused when he said soemthing is 2t = 2cs
i was like eh.
but no not rly, because as elkaa said, supers are traded for in thrones.
It was an example lol :) T is NOT 1CS lol!
Edited By nvrspk4 (Assistant General Manager): Please don't double post.
yes, i believe there are values sites based around CA & USA use the CS as their value.
i think you should as it's a stable value and won't move.
another idea is that you could use both.
for example put the value in CS and Throne
Purple Dragon
120 CS = 3T
Lost-Shark
06-11-2007, 06:29 PM
Yeah good idea Corey :)
Immenseman
06-11-2007, 06:32 PM
I know. But thrones are traded in CS.
Its easier with a stable rare
However you do have a point, some people may still trade in Ts, which is entirely up to them :)
It was an example lol :) T is NOT 1CS lol!
Double post, you sicko. I'm really undecided on what I think because on one hand the thrones are going up and down which of course effects the super values. However, on the other hand as Elkaa mentioned supers are bought in thrones, so people will like to keep the throne value there. Perhaps, we could have both, maybe that would work best. -wonders-
Perhaps, we could have both, maybe that would work best. -wonders-
thats my idea theif :D
yeah, it would be alot better.
Elkaa
06-11-2007, 06:41 PM
That might work, but I'll stress again, supers are traded in Thrones, often with large trades just cutting out the HC's altogether. I really don't think this is needed.
Immenseman
06-11-2007, 06:41 PM
thats my idea theif :D
yeah, it would be alot better.
Hmmm, but if we had 4t = 160hc then the same thing could still happen if thrones decreased then 4t could equal 120hc which would leave us with the same problem we have now... I hope that makes sense, ha.
Hmmm, but if we had 4t = 160hc then the same thing could still happen if thrones decreased then 4t could equal 120hc which would leave us with the same problem we have now... I hope that makes sense, ha.
i was thinking that to..
it still could work though.
-:Undertaker:-
06-11-2007, 06:46 PM
Finally sierk has agreed to something clever, be careful though Jamie, we know what happened the last time a Manager made a poll ;) Throne are moving too much now and so are supers, it will be much better in Club Sofas.
Alkaz
06-11-2007, 06:49 PM
If u change it to CS the throne value should be on the page so people can work it out for them selves in thrones. It makes sence to put it in CS as it makes it more stable and we wont get caused for rigging if the throne goes down or w.e
-:Undertaker:-
06-11-2007, 06:54 PM
The arguement about the Throne being the main currency, more often nowadays Club Sofas are beign used in super trades and people can still use the Throne. Example;
Dino Egg 82 CS
I have 2 Thrones which are at 35 CS each, I add them together = 70 CS and I can add 12 CS to make the trade fair. It isn't hard to add up.
Immenseman
06-11-2007, 06:54 PM
Finally sierk has agreed to something clever, be careful though Jamie, we know what happened the last time a Manager made a poll ;) Throne are moving too much now and so are supers, it will be much better in Club Sofas.
This one won't have management making it controversial xo
-:Undertaker:-
06-11-2007, 06:56 PM
This one won't have management making it controversial xo
The ione Gifts thread wasn't controversial, it showed what everyone thought and sierk ignored it.
Immenseman
06-11-2007, 06:58 PM
The ione Gifts thread wasn't controversial, it showed what everyone thought and sierk ignored it.
Yeah the majority of people thought it should have been changed and technically it is classed as a super rare if you use the habbox definition of a super rare but he didn't see the need to change it. Anyway, back to the topic. Would it work if we had both or would this present us with the same problem we currently face?
-:Undertaker:-
06-11-2007, 07:07 PM
Yeah the majority of people thought it should have been changed and technically it is classed as a super rare if you use the habbox definition of a super rare but he didn't see the need to change it. Anyway, back to the topic. Would it work if we had both or would this present us with the same problem we currently face?
I actually tried to do that when I was Manager, 8Freak8 made a new tab where supers could be in Club Sofas and Thrones, but it looked scruffy so I didn't use it and I don't think it should be used now because it honestly looks scruffy and it will present us with the same problem of Throne movement in value.
Immenseman
06-11-2007, 07:10 PM
Yeah but then there's the point Elkaa put across that supers will be traded in thrones as that's so much easier rather then putting hundreds of hcs in the trade box. I know people can work it out but then it's a lot easier for super traders to have them in thrones.
-:Undertaker:-
06-11-2007, 07:16 PM
Yes but the values will stay innacurate and will change all the time, as long as you are prepared to update every single value working out how many Club Sofas need taking off 15T Purple Dragon and changing them everynight then be my guest, but it's much simpler in Club Sofas.
Immenseman
06-11-2007, 07:44 PM
I like the images in your sig. Anyway, we'll wait to see what the verdict is when the poll cloeses, so far a lot more people would prefer us to use Club Sofas so it's looking likely that's what will happen.
Ashley
06-11-2007, 07:57 PM
I think that this idea will be good for a while but as Thrones become more popular your new system will deteriorate and end up like it is now, with arguements happening because of values a few times a week.
Flamedragon3
06-11-2007, 08:34 PM
I think we should do both to be honest because;
Supers in CS - Most people would rather have this since throne keeps changing in value.
Supers in T - Like Elkaa has pointed out, people trade supers for thrones.
Supers in CS/T - Like Corey said, it would be easier to use both and I think we should use this method.
But it may look a bit of a mess having them both values together, but there are 2 possible ways of sorting this out.
Either have the picture like normal, but with both CS/T values below. Or seperate it in two sections. One in CS the other in T.
Smiddy
06-11-2007, 08:40 PM
If I remember rightly from my time as RVR manager.. there's a setting which lets you decide to change the currency from T to C or to T & CS.
Why not just use that? Or is that only on the Normal Rare Values?
Because if that's as I remember (and I'm super tired here so don't shoot me if wrong) - then if there is a value say a fair bit above the price of a T (IE - 20T) you can keep that in that format, or if it's under the price of a throne, or near the price of a throne, you use T & CS / CS?
Kardan
06-11-2007, 08:47 PM
Nope, this happened when the Throne dropped to 3HC in October 2005, certain rares were like 980HC.
Flamedragon3
06-11-2007, 08:47 PM
If your right Smiddy, then that will be very useful.
But the problem about them both being on is, if the throne changes in value, is there a system which can change the value in CS to the same as throne?
e.g. Dino Egg - 2T 6CS/96CS and the throne is 45CS
and if the throne changes to say 42CS, then the value needs to change to;
Dino Egg - 2T/84CS
If there isn't a system (which I don't think exist's) to sort this out, then Jamie, Jake and Jord have a lot of work to change all the values then.
Wouldn't it be simple for Throne to stay at a certain value xD lol
*The above values are not all real*
-:Undertaker:-
06-11-2007, 09:16 PM
I like the images in your sig. Anyway, we'll wait to see what the verdict is when the poll cloeses, so far a lot more people would prefer us to use Club Sofas so it's looking likely that's what will happen.
Oh well they seemed like three good supers to me :P
I think that this idea will be good for a while but as Thrones become more popular your new system will deteriorate and end up like it is now, with arguements happening because of values a few times a week.
No it won't, as the Throne surpases many supers in value the system will be even more useful than at the moment.
I think we should do both to be honest because;
Supers in CS - Most people would rather have this since throne keeps changing in value.
Supers in T - Like Elkaa has pointed out, people trade supers for thrones.
Supers in CS/T - Like Corey said, it would be easier to use both and I think we should use this method.
But it may look a bit of a mess having them both values together, but there are 2 possible ways of sorting this out.
Either have the picture like normal, but with both CS/T values below. Or seperate it in two sections. One in CS the other in T.
It will be yet another pointless page.
If I remember rightly from my time as RVR manager.. there's a setting which lets you decide to change the currency from T to C or to T & CS.
Why not just use that? Or is that only on the Normal Rare Values?
Because if that's as I remember (and I'm super tired here so don't shoot me if wrong) - then if there is a value say a fair bit above the price of a T (IE - 20T) you can keep that in that format, or if it's under the price of a throne, or near the price of a throne, you use T & CS / CS?
As ive said Tom, I tried it and it looks very scruffy to be honest.
Nope, this happened when the Throne dropped to 3HC in October 2005, certain rares were like 980HC.
Throne never dropped to 3 CS in 2005
If your right Smiddy, then that will be very useful.
But the problem about them both being on is, if the throne changes in value, is there a system which can change the value in CS to the same as throne?
e.g. Dino Egg - 2T 6CS/96CS and the throne is 45CS
and if the throne changes to say 42CS, then the value needs to change to;
Dino Egg - 2T/84CS
If there isn't a system (which I don't think exist's) to sort this out, then Jamie, Jake and Jord have a lot of work to change all the values then.
Wouldn't it be simple for Throne to stay at a certain value xD lol
*The above values are not all real*
As ive said it looks scruffy and we'd be faced with the same problems, people can still use Thrones by working out how many Thrones fit into --- number of CS
Hazza
06-11-2007, 09:22 PM
It was an example lol :) T is NOT 1CS lol!
I think we should have both T and CS values. I'm not a fan of just the CS value is because it would make things more complicated (people having to work out how many T's go into 1,600CS or whatever).
My opinion ^^
Immenseman
06-11-2007, 09:44 PM
If I remember rightly from my time as RVR manager.. there's a setting which lets you decide to change the currency from T to C or to T & CS.
Why not just use that? Or is that only on the Normal Rare Values?
Because if that's as I remember (and I'm super tired here so don't shoot me if wrong) - then if there is a value say a fair bit above the price of a T (IE - 20T) you can keep that in that format, or if it's under the price of a throne, or near the price of a throne, you use T & CS / CS?
If your right Smiddy, then that will be very useful.
Smiddy is always right...
Smiddy
06-11-2007, 10:15 PM
Smiddy is always right...
Hahahahahaha, don't make me laugh.
I don't see why you should be concerned if it looks scruffy, now Dan? Unless you're planning a return to the RVM position? Didn't think so. It's worth a trial, get a poll up and see if users like it.
Flyth
07-11-2007, 12:31 PM
honestly i would just keep it at CS if i was you :)
MrGazet
07-11-2007, 03:19 PM
I prefer T tbh :)
PaulMacC
07-11-2007, 04:39 PM
I actually think you should do it like this
Black Pillow - 90CS (2T)
As I was going to close this thread off.
I came up with an idea.
I don't know if it's possible, but how about making some sort of php script on the page that gets the *current* Throne value from the Normal Rares page and where the php script is, have like:
45cs (1t)
90cs (2t)
For example, a throne is 45cs, then in the brackets the php script would recognise the 45cs and put 1t.
and then like, if the throne goes down, all you would have to do is leave it.
Throne goes down to 40cs:
45cs(1.2t) - or something like that
90cs(2.4t) - etc.
If that made sense :S
Sort of rushing.
-:Undertaker:-
07-11-2007, 05:33 PM
As I was going to close this thread off.
I came up with an idea.
I don't know if it's possible, but how about making some sort of php script on the page that gets the *current* Throne value from the Normal Rares page and where the php script is, have like:
45cs (1t)
90cs (2t)
For example, a throne is 45cs, then in the brackets the php script would recognise the 45cs and put 1t.
and then like, if the throne goes down, all you would have to do is leave it.
Throne goes down to 40cs:
45cs(1.2t) - or something like that
90cs(2.4t) - etc.
If that made sense :S
Sort of rushing.
If something like that was made then we'd still have the same problem when the Throne changes price, as I have said, if the RV Managers are prepared to update every super when the Throne changes then they can go ahead, but it'll be long and boring. Having it in CS & T doesn't work and it looks terrible. In reply to Tom, it does look scruffy because of lot's of writing, and as above it would still need changing everytime the Throne changed because it has the Throne currency included.
Lost-Shark
07-11-2007, 06:01 PM
Glad to see lots of comments about the change, thanks :)
I think it should all be done in CS. Also to counter the problem of people having to put in hundreds of hc's they can work it out using thrones eg
Lets say dino is priced at 50CS and the throne is at 45hc all i have to do is put in the throne and 5hc. Its that simple.
Lost-Shark
08-11-2007, 06:22 PM
We are on about having it all in CS for the dino u spoke of, it'll be 50 CS shown on Habbox. We could also make a new type of value for 100CS e.g ACS (A Standing for 100 So a rare which is 200 CS would be 2ACS for instance.
-:Undertaker:-
08-11-2007, 07:25 PM
We are on about having it all in CS for the dino u spoke of, it'll be 50 CS shown on Habbox. We could also make a new type of value for 100CS e.g ACS (A Standing for 100 So a rare which is 200 CS would be 2ACS for instance.
Good idea, so is it going ahead?
Immenseman
08-11-2007, 07:28 PM
Good idea, so is it going ahead?
If yes wins on this poll, which is looking likely then I believe a poll is going to be added on habbox.com and whatever the outcome of that poll is will be what is going to happen, that's what I think anyway don't quote me on it mind.
-:Undertaker:-
08-11-2007, 07:31 PM
I think it will be unwise to put it on Habbox.com, people will not understand the reason to change it and will just vote no for the hell of it.
Immenseman
08-11-2007, 09:02 PM
After thinking about it, I have voted no. The voting is quite close at the moment.
jrh2002
08-11-2007, 09:03 PM
I am all for club sofas being used it will work much better.
I dont think it would be hard for a script to be made that would show the amount of thrones in brackets next to the amount of sofas?
so it would take the value of the t and divide it in to the value of cs for each super?
I think it will be unwise to put it on Habbox.com, people will not understand the reason to change it and will just vote no for the hell of it.
I agree with that as people dont like change and then there are issues with other sites trying to ruin the vote etc.
Kardan
08-11-2007, 09:13 PM
We are on about having it all in CS for the dino u spoke of, it'll be 50 CS shown on Habbox. We could also make a new type of value for 100CS e.g ACS (A Standing for 100 So a rare which is 200 CS would be 2ACS for instance.
What's the point in that?
Let's say a green ICM was 220HCs, and the Throne was 30HC...
Having 2ACS + 20HC would just be the same as having 7T + 10HC
There's no need, and most people would jus get confused with new terms.
Plus, not all people are that good at Maths, lets saying a rare would be 256HCs and a Throne is 43HCs, it's not the easiest sum to do in your head if you want to pay in Ts aswell as HCs.
jrh2002
08-11-2007, 09:52 PM
Here is my example why i dont like the throne being used for furni values
just say the throne is 50hc then it drops 10 hc to 40 hc
Why doesnt the price of the 5t super drop to 4t?
Each super price should in my opnion drop or rise in value every time the throne drops or rises :o so if it was all in hc then there would be no need to do that.
As I said a few posts back:
I dont think it would be hard for a script to be made that would show the amount of thrones in brackets on the rv page next to the amount of club sofas?
so it would take the value of the t from the site and divide it in to the value of cs for each super? if the throne was 50 hc i dont think 5.5t would work though :o it would have to be 275hc (5t + 25cs)
Kardan
08-11-2007, 10:01 PM
Here is my example why i dont like the throne being used for furni values
just say the throne is 50hc then it drops 10 hc to 40 hc
Why doesnt the price of the 5t super drop to 4t?
Each super price should in my opnion drop or rise in value every time the throne drops or rises :o so if it was all in hc then there would be no need to do that.
As I said a few posts back:
I dont think it would be hard for a script to be made that would show the amount of thrones in brackets on the rv page next to the amount of club sofas?
so it would take the value of the t from the site and divide it in to the value of cs for each super? if the throne was 50 hc i dont think 5.5t would work though :o it would have to be 275hc (5t + 25cs)
But you'd still have to change the value in brackets, so there's no point for having the values in HCs?
Why can't they just create a script to make the value change when the T value changes, but so it still equals the HC value?
MissAlice
08-11-2007, 10:24 PM
The club sofa is and always has been a very stable piece of trading furni, unlike the throne which rises and falls. Obviously there has been some change since the exchange was made available.
An example, if we imagine the club sofa as £1 it's always worth 100p in english currency.
If the price of a throne goes up we pay more £s and if it drops in value we pay less £s. But the CS remains at it's same value, because it's more stable, it doesn't change it's value just because a blue birdbath increased in value or a throne decreased.
I think it's a good idea to show values in CS as surely it's the most frequently/popular used item to be traded.
DJ-Louis
08-11-2007, 10:41 PM
thats stupid, I'm going to get so confused ;l
jrh2002
08-11-2007, 10:50 PM
But you'd still have to change the value in brackets, so there's no point for having the values in HCs?
No the values in brackets changes auto through the script as the club sofas amount is changed so the supers price is always correct.
Why can't they just create a script to make the value change when the T value changes, but so it still equals the HC value?
that seems fine to me and maybe have the hc value in brackets?
I think cs all accross the board for all rare values would work better as the cs is always very stable. if the t value was in brackets to help people who cant add up then i think it would work well.
I dont trade now anyway so it does not affect me but i think it makes sense or at least worth a trial.
thats stupid, I'm going to get so confused ;l
I thought you had to be clever to be a master hacker getting al the passwords you get? Maybe ask somebody to help you with the values like you usually do when you need the password to get on a radio?
fitcovboy
08-11-2007, 11:18 PM
Supers get valued in thrones as not many super traders will trade HC's for them! It will just add un-needed confusion. If people cannot calculate the difference then they won't be able to do it vice versa .... it's worked so far so leave it be!
-:Undertaker:-
09-11-2007, 04:43 PM
thats stupid, I'm going to get so confused ;l
No you won't it's very simple, if a Dino is 63 CS and Thrones are 30 CS, then you use 2 Thrones and 3 CS - Simple.
Supers get valued in thrones as not many super traders will trade HC's for them! It will just add un-needed confusion. If people cannot calculate the difference then they won't be able to do it vice versa .... it's worked so far so leave it be!
It's needed now because the Throne moves much more now and so do supers.
What's the point in that?
Let's say a green ICM was 220HCs, and the Throne was 30HC...
Having 2ACS + 20HC would just be the same as having 7T + 10HC
There's no need, and most people would jus get confused with new terms.
Plus, not all people are that good at Maths, lets saying a rare would be 256HCs and a Throne is 43HCs, it's not the easiest sum to do in your head if you want to pay in Ts aswell as HCs.
It wouldn't because you know what ACS is unlike the Throne, ACS would be 100 CS whereas the Throne could change to 6T + 37 CS, If your not good at Maths then you can use google.
Flamedragon3
09-11-2007, 07:28 PM
If your not good at Maths then you can use google.
Or the calculator on your computer.
If you do not know how to access this, click;
Start
Programs
Accessories
Calculator
Lost-Shark
10-11-2007, 08:19 AM
It is good as it is thrones, like Cov said..
Sometimes supers trade in HCS, and we trade hcs for Ts. so whats the difference.
I will see how this poll goes by sunday then I will send off to MAD and see what he thinks :)
Immenseman
10-11-2007, 11:08 AM
Well it's clear what the majority of people want through this poll and the one on the habbox homepage.
-:Undertaker:-
10-11-2007, 12:27 PM
I think it should go ahead, it'll make your jobs a lot easier and it'll make it easier for the public to tell the values. If anything goes wrong we could always change back.
Immenseman
10-11-2007, 12:29 PM
Well, it's being discussed over PM and it's looking very likely this change is going to happen.
jrh2002
10-11-2007, 03:18 PM
Well, it's being discussed over PM and it's looking very likely this change is going to happen.
Great news :)
Hazza
10-11-2007, 03:20 PM
Oo. I don't like the idea of ACS though. Would be very confusing.
Immenseman
11-11-2007, 05:44 PM
Oo. I don't like the idea of ACS though. Would be very confusing.
I don't like the idea of having 'ACS' it would over complicate things in my opinion.
Ugawa
11-11-2007, 05:46 PM
I think it's a great idea with thrones being so unstable atm
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-SwItCh.
11-11-2007, 05:50 PM
well i think it should, the throne price is variable so supers shouldn't use it as currency but we should use the cs seeing as it is the common price everything is compared to
ColyTom
11-11-2007, 06:45 PM
yes, i believe there are values sites based around CA & USA use the CS as their value.
i think you should as it's a stable value and won't move.
another idea is that you could use both.
for example put the value in CS and Throne
Purple Dragon
120 CS = 3T
Yeah, that would be better.
Yum999
11-11-2007, 07:39 PM
Trading 1,600 CS could take a very long time.
Sorry if I'm being thick, but why not price them in both? (edit - this idea already mentioned)
It's a bit like in the supermarkets in France. They price things in both Euros and Francs, even though they don't use Francs anymore.
sierk
11-11-2007, 08:47 PM
If we decide to standard use a value in hcs for supers, I think the example below is a good way to do it, so that it will look something like this.
Gold Amber - 100 CS (2.2 T)
In order to do this we need to find somebody who can adept our rare values script so that every time the value of a Throne is edited, it recalculates the value for all super rares.
But I am wondering if there is any point. First of all I wonder if it has ever happened that the value of a super rare changed just because the value of a throne changed? For example, if the White Monolith is worth 7 thrones before, and the throne value changes from 45 to 46 hcs, does the White Monolith value actually change to 6.8T, or will it just stay at 7 T (and hence become worth a bit more, but still having the same throne value). If it will stay at 7 T I dont see any problem with our current system.
For example, the value of the american dollar changes all the time, but that doesn't mean that when you buy a bread in the USA, it would be better to put the value in euro or whatever. If the bread is always worth 0.50$ no matter if the value of the dollar changes, there is no need to use a different currency for the bread (even though technically the bread becomes worth less as the dollar goes down all the time). It is simply convenient to use the $ value as that is what the people that buy (trade) breads in the USA use.
Secondly I think that the super rare values should be shown in a way that is most convenient to the people that actually trade them often. No offence to everybody that replies, but I think it is most important what the "big traders" think about this, and from what I can tell they say that since the supers are traded in thrones the value should just stay in thrones (in other words I don't think in this case we should listen to the majority vote, but more to the vote of the small group that regularly trades super rares).
As I was going to close this thread off.
I came up with an idea.
I don't know if it's possible, but how about making some sort of php script on the page that gets the *current* Throne value from the Normal Rares page and where the php script is, have like:
45cs (1t)
90cs (2t)
For example, a throne is 45cs, then in the brackets the php script would recognise the 45cs and put 1t.
and then like, if the throne goes down, all you would have to do is leave it.
Throne goes down to 40cs:
45cs(1.2t) - or something like that
90cs(2.4t) - etc.
If that made sense :S
Sort of rushing.
If we decide to standard use a value in hcs for supers, I think the example below is a good way to do it, so that it will look something like this.
Gold Amber - 100 CS (2.2 T)
In order to do this we need to find somebody who can adept our rare values script so that every time the value of a Throne is edited, it recalculates the value for all super rares.
But I am wondering if there is any point. First of all I wonder if it has ever happened that the value of a super rare changed just because the value of a throne changed? For example, if the White Monolith is worth 7 thrones before, and the throne value changes from 45 to 46 hcs, does the White Monolith value actually change to 6.8T, or will it just stay at 7 T (and hence become worth a bit more, but still having the same throne value). If it will stay at 7 T I dont see any problem with our current system.
For example, the value of the american dollar changes all the time, but that doesn't mean that when you buy a bread in the USA, it would be better to put the value in euro or whatever. If the bread is always worth 0.50$ no matter if the value of the dollar changes, there is no need to use a different currency for the bread (even though technically the bread becomes worth less as the dollar goes down all the time). It is simply convenient to use the $ value as that is what the people that buy (trade) breads in the USA use.
Secondly I think that the super rare values should be shown in a way that is most convenient to the people that actually trade them often. No offence to everybody that replies, but I think it is most important what the "big traders" think about this, and from what I can tell they say that since the supers are traded in thrones the value should just stay in thrones (in other words I don't think in this case we should listen to the majority vote, but more to the vote of the small group that regularly trades super rares).
Same as my idea, and i think it should work.
However, finding the script could be a hard job.
-:Undertaker:-
12-11-2007, 07:30 PM
If we decide to standard use a value in hcs for supers, I think the example below is a good way to do it, so that it will look something like this.
Gold Amber - 100 CS (2.2 T)
In order to do this we need to find somebody who can adept our rare values script so that every time the value of a Throne is edited, it recalculates the value for all super rares.
But I am wondering if there is any point. First of all I wonder if it has ever happened that the value of a super rare changed just because the value of a throne changed? For example, if the White Monolith is worth 7 thrones before, and the throne value changes from 45 to 46 hcs, does the White Monolith value actually change to 6.8T, or will it just stay at 7 T (and hence become worth a bit more, but still having the same throne value). If it will stay at 7 T I dont see any problem with our current system.
For example, the value of the american dollar changes all the time, but that doesn't mean that when you buy a bread in the USA, it would be better to put the value in euro or whatever. If the bread is always worth 0.50$ no matter if the value of the dollar changes, there is no need to use a different currency for the bread (even though technically the bread becomes worth less as the dollar goes down all the time). It is simply convenient to use the $ value as that is what the people that buy (trade) breads in the USA use.
Secondly I think that the super rare values should be shown in a way that is most convenient to the people that actually trade them often. No offence to everybody that replies, but I think it is most important what the "big traders" think about this, and from what I can tell they say that since the supers are traded in thrones the value should just stay in thrones (in other words I don't think in this case we should listen to the majority vote, but more to the vote of the small group that regularly trades super rares).
The only problem with that is that we're back to square one again, the whole point of changing it from Thrones to CS is so it makes it more accurate, whereas the RV Team will still have the same problem everytime the Throne changes value which is every day. Most big traders will actually agree from my experiance with trading, I have spoken to a few casinos owners and so on and they would prefer the supers in CS. It should be either all CS which is what definatly should be done or just keep it as it is otherwise there will be no point. I mean look at the Petal Patch Floor, Snow Floor, Moon Floor, Bamboo Floor, Autmn Patch Floor and the Sand Floor - they are all above the Throne and are valued in CS which makes them more accurate and people don't have a problem with it. If we do have to have the CS + T then it should only apply to let's say, rares above 5T and the Thrones use there would be a rough guide.
Yes this will be easier
Anyway due to the falling price of supers most are going below 1 T anyway!!
Stuey
12-11-2007, 08:51 PM
Could you not do both? : )
Sorted.
-:Undertaker:-
12-11-2007, 09:08 PM
The only problem with that is that we're back to square one again, the whole point of changing it from Thrones to CS is so it makes it more accurate, whereas the RV Team will still have the same problem everytime the Throne changes value which is every day. Most big traders will actually agree from my experiance with trading, I have spoken to a few casinos owners and so on and they would prefer the supers in CS. It should be either all CS which is what definatly should be done or just keep it as it is otherwise there will be no point. I mean look at the Petal Patch Floor, Snow Floor, Moon Floor, Bamboo Floor, Autmn Patch Floor and the Sand Floor - they are all above the Throne and are valued in CS which makes them more accurate and people don't have a problem with it. If we do have to have the CS + T then it should only apply to let's say, rares above 5T and the Thrones use there would be a rough guide.
Could you not do both? : )
Sorted.
It's useful to read above posts :)
Stuey
13-11-2007, 06:43 AM
They could do both.
Just code it in that way : )
alex 1889
13-11-2007, 08:02 AM
if you dont want it to change all the time then keep it the same, we all know people seem to base their trades on the habbox rare values rahter then the habbox rare values being based on peoples trades
brodeo
14-11-2007, 09:41 PM
yes, i believe there are values sites based around CA & USA use the CS as their value.
i think you should as it's a stable value and won't move.
another idea is that you could use both.
for example put the value in CS and Throne
Purple Dragon
120 CS = 3T
Yeah good idea Corey :)
Agreeing with his idea makes you contradict yourself.
I recall you wanting to make it simpler to update the rare values, by adding an extra one will not.
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