Did America land on the moon in 1969? - [Closes 23/12/07]

[Mr.OSH]

In 1969 approximately 500 million people watched man set foot on the moon. Is it possible that America had so much pressure to make it to the moon first this event could have been faked?

What do you think?

Happy Debating! :)

[Smits]

i think it was real.

[--ss--]

There was a documentary on channel four like almost a year ago , I can't remember exactly was said but one of the points put up was the fact there was several shadows and light sources on certain things.
I'm not too sure on what to believe, they probably did fake it seeing as they might have bitten off more than they could chew and didn't want to disappoint everyone.

[jesus]

i fink it was fake coz if it wasnt then who filmed it

they had to have been on the moon to be filming init

[cocaine]

if it was real then it wasnt neil armstrong who first set foot on the moon - it was the camera dude.

[BlueEyedSarah]

In 1969 approximately 500 million people watched man set foot on the moon. Is it possible that America had so much pressure to make it to the moon first this event could have been faked?

What do you think?

Happy Debating! :)
Its fake.

America wanted to beat Russia.

[jesus]

buzz aldrin is still alive isnt he?

lets torture him til he admits it was fake

[dirrty]

i think it was fake.

[Soil]

I personally think it was fake. Funny how everyone who piled a document (one of the perople complied a 500 page document) were murdered.

Also the rocket or whatever you wanna call it would have blown up as it wouldnt have been able to handle the heat while entering the atmosphere of the Earth. I think they just went into the atmosphere and waited there while the video was played on national TV.

Also its funny how the original tape has been lost. You would expect something like that to be kept and cared for properly.

[Kardan]

Real :)

And there were cameras on the side of the Apollo to record Armstrong setting foot on the moon :)

[Jordy]

Real :)

And there were cameras on the side of the Apollo to record Armstrong setting foot on the moon :)I agree with that, the American's aren't that stupid.

I'd like to see some good evidence to see why it wasn't true. However it didn't have much planning and it was all rather quick, they hadn't even been to the moon much before? There's no evidence suggesting he did go on the moon either.

I'll remain open minded.

[jackass]

I think it might be real, but not completely sure.

http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/cosmicapollo.html

[Virgin Mary]

If they did then those scientists lied about there being no wind on the moon :@!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Calisse]

if the year was 2069 would you leave the house let alone the planet??

[Yum999]

One of the stranger things in the actual video shows the American flag fluttering in the wind... but there isn't any wind on the moon.

[Calisse]

maybe neil took a hairdryer.

[WarezKid]

Lol.. Maybe, give some sites that prooves that the landing was not real. :P

[FlyingJesus]

The flag moving is due to simple physics.. if you move something, it moves. Also it was designed with a horizontal strut along the top of the flag so that it would stick outwards - they knew there was no wind, and didn't want it to look stupid by hanging loose as it would have otherwise done.

Conspiracies are all made of the same thing; balls and sweat.

[Alkaz]

I think that they did actually go on the moon but had to record it in a studio for some reason :P

[CrazyColaist]

Nope.......

[brodeo]

I personally think it was fake. Funny how everyone who piled a document (one of the perople complied a 500 page document) were murdered.

Also the rocket or whatever you wanna call it would have blown up as it wouldnt have been able to handle the heat while entering the atmosphere of the Earth. I think they just went into the atmosphere and waited there while the video was played on national TV.

Also its funny how the original tape has been lost. You would expect something like that to be kept and cared for properly.

Don't throw accusations around without a source. This is a debate, not a 'who can make up the best story' competition. There may not have been wind, but things still do have to move. The astronauts didn't struggle to move around did they? I guess neither did the flag.

[The Professor]

maybe neil took a hairdryer.


Witty as the comment was, there are little to no particles on the moon for the hairdryer to move, it wouldn't have affected the flag, let alone anyones hair!

I havent seen any good evidence to prove otherwise, but I'm open to pursuasion. It isnt really a matter of great importance to me anyway, but its always interesting to read conspiracy theories.

[Jordy]

I think that they did actually go on the moon but had to record it in a studio for some reason :PBut if they did it in a studio as well, why would they need to go to the moon?

[Neversoft]

REAL. Oh my god, these debates are so stupid. Why the hell would they fake it.

[Hiro]

If they did then those scientists lied about there being no wind on the moon :@!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lol'd ;D

[Kardan]

Nobody can prove it's fake, therefore it's true :)

Plus I don't think the government would waste to much money on sending a rocket into the atmosphere empty then make it come back down to Earth and putting three men that have been in hiding for the whole mission in quarantine for three weeks.

[jaanex]

neil armstrong, was the first person to land on the moon. i used to have a teacher called mr armstrong he used to say it was his dad pmsll.

[Rockstar]

I belive it is true but only those who were their know if it true or not

[Ealo]

There is lots of evidence that it was faked.
The flag for instance,
why is it moving if there is no gravity/air?

Fake ftw.

[redtom]

Okay so lets think;

Lines of shadows collide (this is impossible with one light source (the sun in this case))
When you speed up a copy of the film the men are running like people would on the earth.
When you look at diffrent appol missions areas of the moon said to have never been seen before look the same as other places from earlyer appol missions.
The flag waves, it's been proven that this couldn't of happend on the moon as it did in the film.
Magicly the only people to have gone to the moon are nassa.
Sciences have found out there is a boundery of radiation around the earth what no man can pass though with out dieing, or atleast dieing after passing through it (well at the time with the stuff they had with them they couldn't pass through with out any effect)
No landing crater, if the landing craft landed like it would of on the moon there would be a crater yet theres nothing.
No dust on the landing craft, if the landing craft landed on the moon dust would of setteled on the craft.
Photos from the landings have been proven to have been edited.

MAJOR POINT:

In the film when people walk behide the landing craft in to the shadows you can see them, and this is impossible as the suns light would be blocked by the landing craft, and as theres only one lights source the sun it should be 100% darkness there you shouldn't beable to see a thing, yet magicly you can see the people there.

And yes people have "disappeard" after releasing stuff or about to release stuff what could prove the landings fake.

EDIT: Reason why it's fake: Space Race. If you don't know what that was it was a big thing between russia and america, and as you know russia and america weren't the best of friends at the time anyway, russia got the first man in space, next was the moon, russia was winning but had to call it off because it was too much of a health risk to the people maning the craft, although america didn't know this and want to win the race, so they stopped the whole lets do it for real and just faked it, with the money they were going to use on getting some one to the moon for real.

[Kardan]

Right, time to prove these 'OMG IT'S FAKE' theories wrong.


There is lots of evidence that it was faked.
The flag for instance,
why is it moving if there is no gravity/air?

Fake ftw.

That's already be commented on, the flag has a horizontal bar through the top to keep it upright and was made with a ripple effect so it didn't look flat/plain.


Okay so lets think;

Lines of shadows collide (this is impossible with one light source (the sun in this case))

Not seen photos.

When you speed up a copy of the film the men are running like people would on the earth.

Or the film.

When you look at diffrent appol missions areas of the moon said to have never been seen before look the same as other places from earlyer appol missions.

The moon looks the same in most places.

The flag waves, it's been proven that this couldn't of happend on the moon as it did in the film.

Commented on this above.

Magicly the only people to have gone to the moon are nassa.

Because you have to be trained? And Russia and other nations haven't had a program running yet.

Sciences have found out there is a boundery of radiation around the earth what no man can pass though with out dieing, or atleast dieing after passing through it (well at the time with the stuff they had with them they couldn't pass through with out any effect)

I loled. No, there isn't. Try and tell me how people have go to the ISS then?


No landing crater, if the landing craft landed like it would of on the moon there would be a crater yet theres nothing.

The moon isn't made of cheese, it's HARD rock. Remember, gravity would of reduced the effect of the landing.


No dust on the landing craft, if the landing craft landed on the moon dust would of setteled on the craft.

How would it? Maybe on the bottom, but not all over the spacecraft?

Photos from the landings have been proven to have been edited.

Proof?
MAJOR POINT:

In the film when people walk behide the landing craft in to the shadows you can see them, and this is impossible as the suns light would be blocked by the landing craft, and as theres only one lights source the sun it should be 100% darkness there you shouldn't beable to see a thing, yet magicly you can see the people there.

And yes people have "disappeard" after releasing stuff or about to release stuff what could prove the landings fake.

If I'm correct, if you have an object on the moon and you walk behind it, you wouldn't be in total darkness due to other stars, light reflecting off moon/earth/other planets.

[Axel]

It's fake in my opinion, there's a picture that shows the two 'on the Moon'. One is standing a few feet away from the other, yet hes has a much larget shadow. This would only be the case if the light source was a few feet away from both of them.

[Kardan]

It's fake in my opinion, there's a picture that shows the two 'on the Moon'. One is standing a few feet away from the other, yet hes has a much larget shadow. This would only be the case if the light source was a few feet away from both of them.

Where's this picture? The only way there could be two of them in the same picture was a camera fixed onto the lander.

[5,5]

Yeah it was real becuase americans are amazing like that.

[Jordy]

Okay so lets think;

Lines of shadows collide (this is impossible with one light source (the sun in this case))
When you speed up a copy of the film the men are running like people would on the earth.
When you look at diffrent appol missions areas of the moon said to have never been seen before look the same as other places from earlyer appol missions.
The flag waves, it's been proven that this couldn't of happend on the moon as it did in the film.
Magicly the only people to have gone to the moon are nassa.
Sciences have found out there is a boundery of radiation around the earth what no man can pass though with out dieing, or atleast dieing after passing through it (well at the time with the stuff they had with them they couldn't pass through with out any effect)
No landing crater, if the landing craft landed like it would of on the moon there would be a crater yet theres nothing.
No dust on the landing craft, if the landing craft landed on the moon dust would of setteled on the craft.
Photos from the landings have been proven to have been edited.

MAJOR POINT:

In the film when people walk behide the landing craft in to the shadows you can see them, and this is impossible as the suns light would be blocked by the landing craft, and as theres only one lights source the sun it should be 100% darkness there you shouldn't beable to see a thing, yet magicly you can see the people there.

And yes people have "disappeard" after releasing stuff or about to release stuff what could prove the landings fake.

EDIT: Reason why it's fake: Space Race. If you don't know what that was it was a big thing between russia and america, and as you know russia and america weren't the best of friends at the time anyway, russia got the first man in space, next was the moon, russia was winning but had to call it off because it was too much of a health risk to the people maning the craft, although america didn't know this and want to win the race, so they stopped the whole lets do it for real and just faked it, with the money they were going to use on getting some one to the moon for real.I've been converted! :P

Since reading your post I think it's yet another American Conspiracy +rep

[mangle]

I gotta believe its real :]

[redtom]

That's already be commented on, the flag has a horizontal bar through the top to keep it upright and was made with a ripple effect so it didn't look flat/plain.

Since when have people made a flag with a ripple effect? The flag quite obviously moves a hell of lot randonly if you've seen more then just one of the apollo mission films you would agree with me.

[Soil]

The protection of the rocket wasnt strong enough and it has been prooven. If that rocket went OUT of the earths atmosphere it would have caught fire due to the heat.

Thats been prooven. The rocket only had like one layer of protection. That isnt enough.


Don't throw accusations around without a source. This is a debate, not a 'who can make up the best story' competition. There may not have been wind, but things still do have to move. The astronauts didn't struggle to move around did they? I guess neither did the flag.


Without a source? I am not making up a story :| Its fact. Look at any documentary .. or even search on the net yourself and you will find proof in all of them at everyone who tried to proove it was fake was murdered.

The guy who complied the 500 page report had many attempts on his life. The day he went to present his report to the court, he was murdered and the report went missing.

[RedStratocas]

There is lots of evidence that it was faked.
The flag for instance,
why is it moving if there is no gravity/air?

Fake ftw.

becuase they put it up that way. there is footage of the astronauts playing with the flag to make it stand in a waving position.

all the "evidence" that it's fake has been disproved.

[redtom]

becuase they put it up that way. there is footage of the astronauts playing with the flag to make it stand in a waving position.

all the "evidence" that it's fake has been disproved.

By >>>> NASSA <<<< and the >>>> USgoverment <<<<, there the ones covering it up, there not going to turn around and go "oh yeah thats right you've proved us wrong", Jesus if a guy in a milk truck drove past in the background with a big sign on it saying "this is fake" they would just say it was a shooting star.

[Technologic]

I think it's real.

[FlyingJesus]

When you speed up a copy of the film the men are running like people would on the earth.

WAIT. HOLD THE PRESS. SPED UP FILMS MAKE IT LOOK LIKE PEOPLE RUN?
This is proof beyond all reason.

[dannyisnotamazing]

who cares
if they landed, or if they didn't?
we live on earth, not the moon

[Lycan]

Yeah they did... not actually sure why people argue against it.... if the russians are happy to let the americans win why arn't we...

[Ealo]

that is exactly the point of the debate.

[FlyingJesus]

Chris just reminded me of something. The Russians had satellites in space at the time, and they would have hesitated not a single second to tell the world that America never really got there.

[Leuven]

I'm sure they did make it to the moon first.
No matter how much evidence there is against them.

[Virgin Mary]

I don't think it matters either, they could spend the money on more important things.

[Ekalb]

All of the theories like the flag, shadows, stars etc can all be debunked fairly easily.
The flag 'ripple' - The bars used to make the flag fold into each other to save space during travel, one didnt fully extend.
few stars visible/distorted light - The mission was done during the moon's night time which lasts for a few earth days.
There are more and I have a book which i've previously quoted on this same topic that successfully debunks many theories, especially those shown in the Fox program "Conspiracy Theory: Did man really land on the moon?".

Also, its impossible to fake the 300+kg of moon rocks the astronauts brought back with them as their chemical formations are like nothing we have on Earth.

And as a further counter to the flag ripple myth - in movie studios there is absolutely no wind unless the fans are turned on, if the fans were on the dust would have been moving aswell. It's quite a stupid theory when you actually hear the evidence.

[Ealo]

tbh i doubt we will never know untill american govenment wants to tell us they faked it.
There proof it didnt hapen and logical reasons why that happened.
personally i doubt it happened,

[Ekalb]

tbh i doubt we will never know untill american govenment wants to tell us they faked it.
There proof it didnt hapen and logical reasons why that happened.
personally i doubt it happened,

I am yet to hear of any legitimate, 100% proof that suggests it didn't happen.

[Ealo]

I am yet to hear of any legitimate, 100% proof that suggests it didn't happen.

same could be said for it happening.

[Destiny]

It's real, why would they fake something as big as that and not get caught for so long. If it was fake, haha. We are big idiots for believing it :eusa_danc

[Lycan]

end of the day its just conspircy

Oh We didn't land on the moon, oh their was a second gunman on the grassy null, there are aliens

[FlyingJesus]

tbh i doubt we will never know untill american govenment wants to tell us they faked it.
There proof it didnt hapen and logical reasons why that happened.
personally i doubt it happened,

What so you'd believe them if they said that it was fake but not if they say it's real? That's pretty flawed logic.

[VPSwow]

I think it was fake because the flag is shown to be blowing in the wind! There is no wind on the moon

[WarezKid]

I think it was fake because the flag is shown to be blowing in the wind! There is no wind on the moon


back up?.

all you know the person could have made a ripple effect ?

[Anarchy]

I dont think it did we studied it in english once

[redtom]

WAIT. HOLD THE PRESS. SPED UP FILMS MAKE IT LOOK LIKE PEOPLE RUN?
This is proof beyond all reason.


Get a brain, the gravity on the earth is diffrent to the moon so people wouldn't move the same.

If you speed up a recording of some one walking on earth they still look like there walking, just rather fast not running.

[Ekalb]

same could be said for it happening.

Do you people intentionally fail to read what people who disagree with you say?

100% for sure proof is the moon rocks that they have.

[-:Undertaker:-]

The gravity could of made the flag move.

[Mrchins]

dey faked i obviasly

[Virgin Mary]

Why are the debates never interesting? It's always something like "R MCDONALDS RLY FATTENIN???"

[BlueEyedSarah]

Chris just reminded me of something. The Russians had satellites in space at the time, and they would have hesitated not a single second to tell the world that America never really got there.
Then America will be bombing Russia for spilling their secret.

[FlyingJesus]

Get a brain, the gravity on the earth is diffrent to the moon so people wouldn't move the same.

If you speed up a recording of some one walking on earth they still look like there walking, just rather fast not running.


Excellent, you just outwitted yourself. As you say, the movements are different, hence why a sped up version of people bouncing around on the moon would look like people running rather than just walking fast.

[WarezKid]

Well, the japs are gonna go to the moon soon, they can tell us if they went up before...

[le harry]

Yes, yes they did.

[Soy]

Yes they most definetly did

[Nixt]

If I am totally honest I am not 100% sure, but for now I will say I am pretty sure they did and until I get my p.h.D. in Astrophysics I will not say otherwise!


Then America will be bombing Russia for spilling their secret.

Don't be so stupid? One country wouldn't just bomb another country because they told the 'secret' that America didn't really land on the moon. Most nuclear powers fear the outcome of an act of war on another country, so they most certainly wouldn't bomb Russia for a stupid reason like that. If Russia did have the capabilities to pinpoint if America really did land on the moon, America wouldn't of bothered doing it.

[Hazza]

Lmao at this vid.... http://youtube.com/watch?v=mouUUWpEec0&feature=related

I'm not sure what to believe, the real video looks fake to me.

[jamsey]

i think its real, but its easy to see why people would think its fake

[tully4leanne.]

I cannot say.... I have my suspisions but i also think its likely to have taken place

[RedStratocas]

if there were clear evidence that it was faked, wouldn't the russians be dying to call them out on it?

[BlueEyedSarah]

Don't be so stupid? One country wouldn't just bomb another country because they told the 'secret' that America didn't really land on the moon. Most nuclear powers fear the outcome of an act of war on another country, so they most certainly wouldn't bomb Russia for a stupid reason like that. If Russia did have the capabilities to pinpoint if America really did land on the moon, America wouldn't of bothered doing it.
I was joking :-\

[JFolan]

Nah they never went no chance about it, first of all no stars in the background of there pics an if they could go them years ago whn there wasnt as much technology as there is today we would have been going there ever day, it was clear lies an america cant an wont admit they hve never been to the moon.

[RedStratocas]

Nah they never went no chance about it, first of all no stars in the background of there pics an if they could go them years ago whn there wasnt as much technology as there is today we would have been going there ever day, it was clear lies an america cant an wont admit they hve never been to the moon.

i hate it when people say "america do..." or "america" as if we're a whole. that makes it sound like the land we're standing on is talking to you. no, "america" wont admit it because "america" cant talk; it's a land mass.

secondly, you're an idiot for thinking we should be going there every day. it cost millions of dollars then, it'd cost millions of dollars now. plus, there's no point in us being there again. it hasn't changes. we predicted jet packs in the past, but that didn't turn out the way we thought, now did it?

[Ekalb]

Nah they never went no chance about it, first of all no stars in the background of there pics an if they could go them years ago whn there wasnt as much technology as there is today we would have been going there ever day, it was clear lies an america cant an wont admit they hve never been to the moon.
The mission was done in the moon's 'night' which lasts for quite a few earth days. And also with the technology of that day it was difficult to pick up many bright lights in the background.

The costs of a moon mission are tremendously high, no one could afford it until, like in the next few years, technology will have improved immensely and with a richer society tourist flights are being planned.

[PaulMacC]

Im not sure, I dont trust the americans now with 9/11 and the consparicies behind that.
But then again Bush wasnt behind USA then

[crans]

The mission was done in the moon's 'night' which lasts for quite a few earth days. And also with the technology of that day it was difficult to pick up many bright lights in the background.

The costs of a moon mission are tremendously high, no one could afford it until, like in the next few years, technology will have improved immensely and with a richer society tourist flights are being planned.


You say that but lol, we have better technology now obviously but how come they haven't attempted anymore "Man on the moon" missions?

and it might of been another stunt like when they caused the lost of lives of the people from September 2001.

[-Eyeless-]

Well I have watched the program bout it but I think that it is just like with the 9/11 conspiracy, Everyone thinks that America is less powerfull that it is, maybe they did land on the moon maybe they didn't, but if they did then it is an amazing feat, if not they did a damn good job of faking it.

In my personal opinion they probably did fake it because there is overwhelming information that points towards it being faked. I dont need to go through all the evidence because im sure sombody else will. The main reason i think it was faked not including the main reasons from tv etc, is that they had made so many unfruitful attempts at conquering the moon beforhand that in circumstances like that you dont just have a lucky break. I on the otherhand do not doubt that they can do it now.

[skins]

I dont think they did! Only due to the flag in flapping, despite the moon doesnt have wind!

[FlyingJesus]

Do you idiots even read threads before posting in them?

[skins]

Do you idiots even read threads before posting in them?

Calm

And no.

[-Xiangu-]

i do actually think they did it. its just a load of rubbiah what anyone says about the so called flaws in the video tapes it can all be explained but dont ask me because i cant remember what i have read if your that eager to prove this great feet wrong why not compile some sufficient evidence to prove the greatest thing man has ever done. wrong!

[Procyon]

Truth will be clear in about 10 years time, telescopes will be able to see that far, if we see a flag there, then yes, americans have done it, if not, ahhaa, biggest failure of all time.

[-Xiangu-]

Truth will be clear in about 10 years time, telescopes will be able to see that far, if we see a flag there, then yes, americans have done it, if not, ahhaa, biggest failure of all time.
i thought the flag was taken out. meh

[Procyon]

If it was, my mistake. but it is sure that we will see something up their that happened on the moon, golf balls etc.

[-Xiangu-]

lol golf balls :P perhaps their footprints and the landing site

[FlyingJesus]

Calm

And no.

Maybe you should, you'd learn something.

Also the flag, footprints etc from the visit wouldn't be visible as they'd have been destroyed in the blasts from takeoff.

[brapp]

yh lol

[Ugawa]

I think they faked it.

[Slowpoke]

No-one has ever been on the moon imo. Neil Armstrong was meant to have been the first man on the moon yet the person filming was already outside of the Space Shuttle!!

[JFolan]

Maybe you should, you'd learn something.

Also the flag, footprints etc from the visit wouldn't be visible as they'd have been destroyed in the blasts from takeoff.Blasts from there little rockets on there cardboard box shuttle? an plus they left the moon car thing up there so tht should sitll be there plus the feather and rock they dropped.

[FlyingJesus]

No-one has ever been on the moon imo. Neil Armstrong was meant to have been the first man on the moon yet the person filming was already outside of the Space Shuttle!!

Yeah because it's impossible for vehicles as technologically inferior as, say, a space shuttle to have something as advanced as an extendable arm with a camera.


Blasts from there little rockets on there cardboard box shuttle? an plus they left the moon car thing up there so tht should sitll be there plus the feather and rock they dropped.

Well I don't know about the moon car, but it's too small to be seen anyway, and the moon is fairly big y'know, so pinpointing the exact spot they landed at before would be a task. As for a feather and a rock; the feather would certainly have burned up, and the moon is made of rocks.

[JFolan]

Yeah because it's impossible for vehicles as technologically inferior as, say, a space shuttle to have something as advanced as an extendable arm with a camera.



Well I don't know about the moon car, but it's too small to be seen anyway, and the moon is fairly big y'know, so pinpointing the exact spot they landed at before would be a task. As for a feather and a rock; the feather would certainly have burned up, and the moon is made of rocks.NASA will have the location of the lading point an if they say we lost it, just shows another reason why they lied.

[Bibliophobia]

in a quick answer;
probably not

[Isaac]

Think about when we did this. This was during the lunar race between Russia and America. If Americans did fake the landing on the moon, the russians would be the first to find out and expose it. This would have been discovered WAY long ago if it was a hoax, but it wasn't. The russians tried, but evidence stacked up way too tall for the moon landing to be disproved.

[Procyon]

Maybe you should, you'd learn something.

Also the flag, footprints etc from the visit wouldn't be visible as they'd have been destroyed in the blasts from takeoff.

Did you get an A* in astronomy? No, don't speak.

[Colin-Roberts]

so the well documented Appollo missions they faked all them too? like appollo 13 where they flew around the moon but didn't have enough oxygen due to problems to land on the moon yet again.

[Procyon]

Yeah because it's impossible for vehicles as technologically inferior as, say, a space shuttle to have something as advanced as an extendable arm with a camera.



Well I don't know about the moon car, but it's too small to be seen anyway, and the moon is fairly big y'know, so pinpointing the exact spot they landed at before would be a task. As for a feather and a rock; the feather would certainly have burned up, and the moon is made of rocks.

Again, a load of crap. The moon car will ONLY work in space, it's foldable aswell. The people who landed on the moon were ex USAF pilots, they knew what they were doing, the feather would have NEVER burnt up because of the fact there is NO OXYGEN! Fire needs oxygen, there is no oxygen in space. The moon isn't solely made of rocks. Also, the moon is VERY small in comparsion to anything else in space, except of course for brown dwarfs as such!


The flag was waving, because of the fact metal was put into the flag to make it have the almost cliche look of any flag.

[Kardan]

Again, a load of crap. The moon car will ONLY work in space, it's foldable aswell. The people who landed on the moon were ex USAF pilots, they knew what they were doing, the feather would have NEVER burnt up because of the fact there is NO OXYGEN! Fire needs oxygen, there is no oxygen in space. The moon isn't solely made of rocks. Also, the moon is VERY small in comparsion to anything else in space, except of course for brown dwarfs as such!

The flag was waving, because of the fact metal was put into the flag to make it have the almost cliche look of any flag.

Right, if there was no fire, how did the Lunar Module get off the moon ;)
And the moon compared to a moon buggie, well, I think we know which one is bigger :)

[Procyon]

Right, if there was no fire, how did the Lunar Module get off the moon ;)
And the moon compared to a moon buggie, well, I think we know which one is bigger :)

I have no idea, but this is how they take off, google it.

It uses rocket power to bring itself out of the earths atmosphere, when it slowly has no oxygen the rocket dies out, note (you get so much faster when your out in space with no oxygen). Meaning that all the momentum and speed which was accumelated in the earths atmosphere is x'd by such a huge amount, don't ask me how they got off the moon.

But, what some of the spacecrafts do is use the atmosphere in another planets to pick up momentum, I doubt that was used, find the answer on google.

[Kardan]

I have no idea, but this is how they take off, google it.

Easily, it uses rocket power to bring itself out of the earths atmosphere, when it slowly has no oxygen the rocket dies out, note (you get so much faster when your out in space with no oxygen). Meaning that all the momentum and speed which was accumelated in the earths atmosphere is x'd by such a huge amount, don't ask me how they got off the moon.

;) Some sort of heat energy must have been released for the lander to gain kinetic energy to get off the moon, so it is possible that the feather would have been 'burned' plus finding the feather would be like finding a needle in a very big haystack.

[Procyon]

Some sort of energy had to be realased of course, but america has to leave some info behind, they plan to go back in 2020.

[Kardan]

Some sort of energy had to be realased of course, but america has to leave some info behind, they plan to go back in 2020.

They would of left something behind, but the chances are we wouldn't be able to see it because it's so small.

All the evidence that they faked it can be disproven easily, and of course, as everyone else has said, the Russians would have been one of the first to prove it was faked.

[JFolan]

Right, if there was no fire, how did the Lunar Module get off the moon ;)
And the moon compared to a moon buggie, well, I think we know which one is bigger :)er there was no landing atall lmao its was all a lie america is so dumb they cant ever cover up anything its pfft.

[JFolan]

No-one has ever been on the moon imo. Neil Armstrong was meant to have been the first man on the moon yet the person filming was already outside of the Space Shuttle!!maybe it was a woman tht had the camera lmao!

[Ekalb]

The negatives aren't even trying anymore..

[FlyingJesus]

Did you get an A* in astronomy? No, don't speak.

No, did you? I'm not talking about astronomy, I'm talking about common sense.


the feather would have NEVER burnt up because of the fact there is NO OXYGEN! Fire needs oxygen, there is no oxygen in space. The moon isn't solely made of rocks. Also, the moon is VERY small in comparsion to anything else in space, except of course for brown dwarfs as such!

Even if there weren't flames such as we have in atmosphere, there would be massive amounts of heat, which would easily burn up a small feather. There's a reason that you have to a certain distance from a spacecraft when it takes off - it gets pretty hot, and you will be destroyed in the heat. You don't need actual flames to burn things. Further, comparitive size has nothing to do with it as the moon is still absolutely massive. It's not like you can drive around the whole thing in a couple of hours or something.


I have no idea, but this is how they take off, google it.

So, going by your earlier logic: shut up.


er there was no landing atall lmao its was all a lie america is so dumb they cant ever cover up anything its pfft.

You just fail life.

[WarezKid]

Argee with above

Just took my words

[Jamesy]

I watched an interesting documentary on Discovery Channel about this. I think they did to be honest.

also someone please change the American to America it's really annoying me.

[-Eyeless-]

I dont think they did! Only due to the flag in flapping, despite the moon doesnt have wind!

Just in case nobody had already said.

Whoever wrote this obviously hasn't thought about what they said, because the flag had a pole through the top to keep it up in no atmosphere and the impact of it hitting the surface of the moon would shake it even if there is no atmosphere.

Not saying I believe they did land just saying you should check your facts and not rely on channel 4's "Facts"

[Asher]

ahhh i love how the old 'the flag is moving from the wind!!!!!' debate is always chucked in.

[JFolan]

No, did you? I'm not talking about astronomy, I'm talking about common sense.



Even if there weren't flames such as we have in atmosphere, there would be massive amounts of heat, which would easily burn up a small feather. There's a reason that you have to a certain distance from a spacecraft when it takes off - it gets pretty hot, and you will be destroyed in the heat. You don't need actual flames to burn things. Further, comparitive size has nothing to do with it as the moon is still absolutely massive. It's not like you can drive around the whole thing in a couple of hours or something.



So, going by your earlier logic: shut up.



You just fail life.i have no life? lmao coming from u who has over 5000 posts an is on 24/7 lmao yer i have no life

[FlyingJesus]

Learn to read; I never said you had no life. I said you fail life. Also the only time I'm on is late night because I have college and an evening job.

[Pentridge]

america did not land on the moon in my opinion other wise it would of been done several times since then,

[Abzii]

I believe its fake after reading all this

[drama]

Nobody can prove it's fake, therefore it's true :)



You cant prove it's not a fake, therefore it is?

[Ekalb]

You cant prove it's not a fake, therefore it is?

Yeah we can, can't fake 300kg of moonrocks, can't fake the footage that they took (you may say, yeah you can in a movie studio! But no, not in the movie studios of the late 60s can you find some fan that will only move the flag and not all the dust surrounding the astronauts).

I believe its fake after reading all this
You only read about half the thread and skipped most posts made by FlyingJesus, Kardan and myself?

[FlyingJesus]

I believe its fake after reading all this

If that's true then you're not very intelligent.

[dannyisnotamazing]

i think its fake cos i went up ther other day n ther was no flag

[Plixor]

the thing with the wind is stupid.. theres no wind in a studio neither

[Kardan]

the thing with the wind is stupid.. theres no wind in a studio neither

They can easily create wind with an industrial fan if they wanted to.

And yes, there's proof that they've done it, plus they're going to do it again within the next few years. If they did fake the last one, which they didn't, and they were going to fake this next one, it would be obvious.

[Plixor]

why should they make wind inside a studio, when its supposed to be on the moon.. i dont think they are THAT stupid :P

[dunke]

if it was real then it wasnt neil armstrong who first set foot on the moon - it was the camera dude.

YEA!!! I ALWAYS SAID THAT :D:D

[d17c]

To those people that commented about there being no flames, I may be mistaken, but I thought that rockets took oxygen with them, and pumped it in with the fuel to make it you know, BOOM.

I've only actually watched a small section of the film, and Neil Armstrong says something like "this is an eagle feather... from an eagle"
Now, I'm not exactly part of NASA, but I wouldn't let a man like that leave the house, let alone the planet.

Overall, I'm torn, no 100% definitive evidence either way.

(I did have some good points to make, but I kinda forgot them after reading everything else)

[micky.blue.eyes]

Don't throw accusations around without a source. This is a debate, not a 'who can make up the best story' competition. There may not have been wind, but things still do have to move. The astronauts didn't struggle to move around did they? I guess neither did the flag.

Astronauts have muscles, flags don't. -.-'


REAL. Oh my god, these debates are so stupid. Why the hell would they fake it.

So they'd be the first people on the moon, they were racing Russia.


Okay so lets think;

Lines of shadows collide (this is impossible with one light source (the sun in this case))
When you speed up a copy of the film the men are running like people would on the earth.
When you look at diffrent appol missions areas of the moon said to have never been seen before look the same as other places from earlyer appol missions.
The flag waves, it's been proven that this couldn't of happend on the moon as it did in the film.
Magicly the only people to have gone to the moon are nassa.
Sciences have found out there is a boundery of radiation around the earth what no man can pass though with out dieing, or atleast dieing after passing through it (well at the time with the stuff they had with them they couldn't pass through with out any effect)
No landing crater, if the landing craft landed like it would of on the moon there would be a crater yet theres nothing.
No dust on the landing craft, if the landing craft landed on the moon dust would of setteled on the craft.
Photos from the landings have been proven to have been edited.

MAJOR POINT:

In the film when people walk behide the landing craft in to the shadows you can see them, and this is impossible as the suns light would be blocked by the landing craft, and as theres only one lights source the sun it should be 100% darkness there you shouldn't beable to see a thing, yet magicly you can see the people there.

And yes people have "disappeard" after releasing stuff or about to release stuff what could prove the landings fake.

EDIT: Reason why it's fake: Space Race. If you don't know what that was it was a big thing between russia and america, and as you know russia and america weren't the best of friends at the time anyway, russia got the first man in space, next was the moon, russia was winning but had to call it off because it was too much of a health risk to the people maning the craft, although america didn't know this and want to win the race, so they stopped the whole lets do it for real and just faked it, with the money they were going to use on getting some one to the moon for real.

^^Sums up about everything I wanted to say. There were some odd things with the dust aswell, can't really remember what but I think it was that the dust didn't show any patterns that moved away from the shuttle, which is impossible if the shuttle did land.


Chris just reminded me of something. The Russians had satellites in space at the time, and they would have hesitated not a single second to tell the world that America never really got there.

Then those satalites should've been able to follow the shuttle and watch it land on the moon, which they couldn't. Russia would look like jealous fools if they used that as 'evidence' against the landing.


It's real, why would they fake something as big as that and not get caught for so long. If it was fake, haha. We are big idiots for believing it :eusa_danc

So they were 'the first' to be able to land on the moon -> space race with Russia etc etc bla bla.


end of the day its just conspircy

Oh We didn't land on the moon, oh their was a second gunman on the grassy null, there are aliens

There have to be aliens. :P


Do you people intentionally fail to read what people who disagree with you say?

100% for sure proof is the moon rocks that they have.

How do we know they're really moon rocks? "They could go back to the moon and bring more rocks and compare them to the old ones." How do we know they won't replace the old rocks?
This may look like a lame argument against the moon landing but so are loads of arguments against the evidences against the landing.


Excellent, you just outwitted yourself. As you say, the movements are different, hence why a sped up version of people bouncing around on the moon would look like people running rather than just walking fast.

How can bouncing walks on the moon look like running on planet Earth when you speed it up? It would look completely different.


Yeah we can, can't fake 300kg of moonrocks, can't fake the footage that they took (you may say, yeah you can in a movie studio! But no, not in the movie studios of the late 60s can you find some fan that will only move the flag and not all the dust surrounding the astronauts).


^^For my point against the moon rocks and something about the dust.
At the flag part: Neither can the moon. Somebody said that playing with the flag and placing it on the moon caused it to move, this could've happened in the studio aswell.


To those people that commented about there being no flames, I may be mistaken, but I thought that rockets took oxygen with them, and pumped it in with the fuel to make it you know, BOOM.

I've only actually watched a small section of the film, and Neil Armstrong says something like "this is an eagle feather... from an eagle"
Now, I'm not exactly part of NASA, but I wouldn't let a man like that leave the house, let alone the planet.

Overall, I'm torn, no 100% definitive evidence either way.

(I did have some good points to make, but I kinda forgot them after reading everything else)

I don't have much knowledge about how space shuttles work but I do know that mixing some chemicals will lead to a reaction which could give enough kenetic energy to move the shuttle and other reactions will produce oxygen.
Doubt it happened like this because you'd need loads of those chemicals but it could have.

I haven't seen any evidence that shows the shuttle could've made it back to Earth, which only adds to the evidence that it's fake to me.

At why didn't the Russians prove it didn't happen?: They would need need really good evidence to prove the Americans wrong, which they didn't. Everybody would laugh at them if they accused America of faking the landing without good evidence to back it up. Also, who said they didn't try? Many people have been killed after they tried to release evidence against the landing.

I personally don't care whether it's fake or not, it's just the moon. =/ But I think lying like that is just sad and proves uncapable humans are at living with each other (and their environment). They all want to be the best and have loads of power over as many things as they can, even though the Earth is just a small place in a huge universe. If everybody worked together I think we could've been to the moon way earlier and many other planets.

[Grainger@CUFC]

I don't think they did. I've looked at stuff on the Internet before that have persuaded me to think they didn't. Images of exactly the same landscape from different missions even when it's meant to be in a completely different place. Things like a "third voice" in the module's conversations with Mission Control to tell them when to talk. I dunno where they are, but I've definitely seen them before. Anyways, I'm more towards the fake side than real.

[Ekalb]

so this debate ends with the negative leading a charge of "nah dont think so's" against the affirmatives debunking.

Oh and we know they're moon rocks because because they have completely unique compounds, cant be found on Earth and cant be manufactured by man. The flag ripple actually helps prove that they did land on the moon. If it was in a movie studio all the dust would be moving if the fan was on (why the hell would they turn it on anyway?) and if it was on earth and the ripple was just because of setting up, gravity would not allow it to just float and it would very quickly be lifeless.

Maybe someone will find 'the president's secret book' and will prove everything to us all.

[FlyingJesus]

Apparently the fact that you can't prove something to be 100% correct is suffice to say that it's 100% incorrect. Nice failed logic there chaps, congratulations. Frankly if it hadn't happened, there are enough nerdy scientists who are fascinated with this stuff that by now someone would have come out with conclusive proof that it couldn't have happened.

[.:Sindrolic:.]

I havent read every post and this might have already been said but:

America did reach the moon but there were techinical difficulties and the never filmed on the moon. Then once Alderan and Armstrong had landed they filmed it all in a studio.

[Slowpoke]

I love the way it says he was the first man on the moon yet someone was already outside the spaceship filming him coming out.

[Grainger@CUFC]

NASA say they sent the camera down on to the moon first to shoot the module coming down :S

[Kardan]

I love the way it says he was the first man on the moon yet someone was already outside the spaceship filming him coming out.


NASA say they sent the camera down on to the moon first to shoot the module coming down :S

It's been said numerous times in this thread. There were cameras on the outside of the landing module.

[spot.]

no they filmed it in a basement