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Samishlol
29-11-2007, 01:45 PM
Do you think it's fair that drugs we take get tested on humans before they get sold to people who need them?

As we was talking about this in R.E and my teacher told us that these 5 guys saw a advert on this magazine asking if anyone would come and try out this stuff and they will be given £1000 but they didn't reliease that it had a massive effect on then so now there life is recked because of this testing they did just for the money.

FlyingJesus
29-11-2007, 01:46 PM
Nah do it on animals instead

jesus
29-11-2007, 01:47 PM
i think if they are careless enough to accept it then they should have to live with the consequences.

Corporal
29-11-2007, 01:49 PM
Nah do it on animals instead
Why?
That doesnt give correct results.
We should do it on humans, They can concent and give propper results.

FlyingJesus
29-11-2007, 01:51 PM
Yeah but should do it on animals first just in case there's something horribly wrong, then move onto humans for fine tuning.

Corporal
29-11-2007, 01:53 PM
Yeah but should do it on animals first just in case there's something horribly wrong, then move onto humans for fine tuning.
Not really because we already know smoking kills humans, yet there are still tests on animals to see what happens:S

jesus
29-11-2007, 01:54 PM
Not really because we already know smoking kills humans, yet there are still tests on animals to see what happens:Sare there?

Samishlol
29-11-2007, 01:56 PM
I don't see how they will know how much of an effect it will have on humans as animals will react differently.

Corporal
29-11-2007, 01:57 PM
are there?
Ye, there is loads of crap that happens.
Like there was one before where they wanted to see what makes rams turn gay if they are left alone.
So they get 1000 rams left them alone for a few months then they put them in with other rams and then cut there brains up to see what made them turn gay.
Why do we need to know that?


At the post above me, I know animals they get hunted easy hide pain. As if a lion sees a zebbra in pain it will go for it, they hide it the best they can.

jesus
29-11-2007, 01:58 PM
Ye, there is loads of crap that happens.
Like there was one before where they wanted to see what makes rams turn gay if they are left alone.
So they get 1000 rams left them alone for a few months then they put them in with other rams and then cut there brains up to see what made them turn gay.
Why do we need to know that?haha i have no idea.

good point +rep

oh actually it looks like i have to spread. terribly sorry xo

FlyingJesus
29-11-2007, 02:03 PM
I don't see how they will know how much of an effect it will have on humans as animals will react differently.

Aye, hence why I said to test on animals first and then humans to get the exact tests and whatever. Testing on pigs can work quite well as their body makeup is extremely similar to that of a human (as in, the proportions of water, fats, muscles etc). The only real problem is for psychological tests as animals aren't sentient like we are, but hey maybe one day you'll get lucky and they'll do some tests to find out why some people are late bedwetters.

WarezKid
29-11-2007, 02:37 PM
Source?

I wanna see this human testimg ;/

Neversoft
29-11-2007, 03:40 PM
They rarely try anything they're unsure about on humans? They use animals like rats and monkeys.

It's the persons choice to go and do it anyway, doesn't bother me.

You
29-11-2007, 03:42 PM
They rarely try anything they're unsure about on humans? They use animals like rats and monkeys.

It's the persons choice to go and do it anyway, doesn't bother me.
Is that why you have the extra ears?

Neversoft
29-11-2007, 03:44 PM
Is that why you have the extra ears?

Obviously not.

Whats the story behind your triple cheeked ass?

WarezKid
29-11-2007, 03:45 PM
LMAO LMAOLOL


Sorry, but i lol;d at above :P

PaulMacC
29-11-2007, 04:36 PM
Obviously not.

Whats the story behind your triple cheeked ass?

3rd degree burn.

-:Undertaker:-
29-11-2007, 06:09 PM
Why?
That doesnt give correct results.
We should do it on humans, They can concent and give propper results.

Because animals are worthless and don't go aww but it's not fair because it is. If we didn't breed these animals for testing they would all have to be put down.


Yeah but should do it on animals first just in case there's something horribly wrong, then move onto humans for fine tuning.

I agree 100% thomas.

Sarah
29-11-2007, 06:09 PM
Well, at the end of the day without testing on something we wouldnt have many drugs in the world that saves lifes without these we would be in very hot water. In a way i think they should be tested on animals befor humans because at the end of the day a animal isnt as bad a as human being dieing but then if the human is really looking for some quick cash then offering themselves to test a drug is a way to get some quick cash, so its abit like a see-saw.

Soka
29-11-2007, 06:54 PM
yes

because its down to the person to make the choice, and if they want to put theirselves in a threatening situation ifor money its their choice

they have to sign a contract by law so they cannot sue the company if something goes wrong etc. also i doubt the insurances would want to pay out if you took the risk and something went wrong as you signed

although i do agree with the above, like trying on a rat or sumit first to fine it down so to speak.

Technologic
29-11-2007, 07:14 PM
So you'd rather 1000 people died from an un-tested drug than 5 people who agreed and have full knowledge of what might happen instead?

mmm...

Sammeth.
29-11-2007, 08:17 PM
I would rather everything tested on animals than humans. Though it puts me off when it says "Tested on animals" on my condoms.

Corporal
29-11-2007, 08:42 PM
Because animals are worthless and don't go aww but it's not fair because it is. If we didn't breed these animals for testing they would all have to be put down.

Just answered yourself there havent you.
If we didnt breed them they would be put down.
So lets not breed them!

Virgin Mary
29-11-2007, 09:46 PM
I don't feel sorry for the sob stories of people who are rendered infertile because they let themselves be tested on. Why do they think they're being tested on? You may as well jump off a cliff to see what happens...

Just answered yourself there havent you.
If we didnt breed them they would be put down.
So lets not breed them!
You could just use social idiots. They're being bred at a proportionately large rate anyway.

Zample
29-11-2007, 10:12 PM
Test on animals first. Then, give the person their choice. If something goes wrong, it's their idiocy, not the company. Sure, it seems wrong, but hey; if they don't do it, who will?

I don't know. It's hard to say, really. Without all these tests, such as on animals and people, where else could we go? It's our sick way of practicing medicine, and it's sad to say that it's rather mandatory. Unless you'd prefer some untested products zooming directly out of the worlds pharmacies?

Someone's got to take the load.

Corporal
29-11-2007, 10:15 PM
I dont get how you can saw its bad to do it on animals, but then its ok for humans?:s
Hell why dont we just breed humans and test on them like we animals?
If they are brought up like them there isnt out wrong with it is there?

Virgin Mary
29-11-2007, 10:35 PM
I stand by the opinion that it should be done to people on death row. It's a bit contradictory to refuse to test it on humans because it'd taint their quality of life or kill them but then go and execute them anyway.

Alkaz
29-11-2007, 10:41 PM
Animals dont have a choice, humans do and if they want to do it then they can, if they die or get severe side affects they knew about it. The animals dont.

FlyingJesus
29-11-2007, 11:58 PM
it puts me off when it says "Tested on animals" on my condoms.

Hey I needed the money ok, don't hate


Hell why dont we just breed humans and test on them like we animals?
If they are brought up like them there isnt out wrong with it is there?

If it was possible to do so without getting human rights issues (which obviously there would be) then I'd agree, I have nothing against the idea of breeding subclasses of humans just for testing. As it is though, animals are the way to go.

Corporal
30-11-2007, 12:33 AM
Hey I needed the money ok, don't hate



If it was possible to do so without getting human rights issues (which obviously there would be) then I'd agree, I have nothing against the idea of breeding subclasses of humans just for testing. As it is though, animals are the way to go.
So why cant there be laws for animals as there is humans?
After all we are all ment to treat everything the same.

FlyingJesus
30-11-2007, 01:09 AM
Animals are not the same as humans. They aren't sentient, and so feel pain only as a reaction, which even plants do. They don't register it mentally or understand it like we can.

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