Calm down a little.. :l

[bo$$]

Either your rules are too harsh or opensourcehost is WAY too obsessed with giving me infractions.

Here's the situation:
Thread 1:
Earthquake: I bully on unpopular kids
Me: -insert w/e i said here-

Thread 2:
Earthquake: I'm really a nice guy. I often talk to the unpopular kids and even act as if I'm struggling with work so I can talk to them
Me: Liar. In the other thread you said that you bully on unpopular kids

Maybe it's just me, but I think that the whole "DO NOT ACCUSE ANYONE OF LYING" rule is stupid.. especially since I didn't say anything like "O YOU LIED YOU SCAMMED HIM U LIAR U HACKED".
I doubt that I would have been infracted if I left out the word "Liar"...
I don't see the big difference

HxF staff should either change the rule so that it isn't so harsh (such as in my situation.. I get infracted for something riduclous) and only infract people for SERIOUS accusations.. or just chill the hell out once in awhile.

What really cracked me up was the reasoning behind the infraction:
"Accusing/naming anyone of lying/scamming/hacking or any other bad things."

[FlyingJesus]

Mmm I got a warning today for calling Harry a liar when he said no-one ever repped him. I just said like "omg y lie i rep u every 2 days or sumin" and that was seen as an offence ^_^ wasn't gonna mention it because it's just a warning, but hey the thread's here already so why not

[Samishlol]

I'd agree i got done for something like to this

[WarezKid]

ye, got something like this, i said something or w.e


The best way is to report it, and show them this thread :P

[Favourtism]

If you disagree with an Infraction then use the Report Infractions thread. :)

[bo$$]

If you disagree with an Infraction then use the Report Infractions thread. :)

If I wanted to, I would :)

I'm not complaining about the infraction.
Even if I were to report it, with any explanation I could think of.. it'd still be wrong because it would either:
Stay, which would be a waste of time all together
or
Get lifted, but then everyone elses infraction would stay.

I think that HxF need to lighten up a little bit with their rules or staff.

[le harry]

that favourtism guy gave me 4 warnings for the stupidest reasons.

i said 'omg y edit screenie' and 'old news noob -rep' and got warned for accusing him of lieing for both of them

[bo$$]

that favourtism guy gave me 4 warnings for the stupidest reasons.

i said 'omg y edit screenie' and 'old news noob -rep' and got warned for accusing him of lieing for both of them

Lmao.
That's a perfect example on why hxf should review their rules and fix things up.

[reindeer.]

ye we hav some **** mods

[Favourtism]

that favourtism guy gave me 4 warnings for the stupidest reasons.

i said 'omg y edit screenie' and 'old news noob -rep' and got warned for accusing him of lieing for both of them
Yes, a good lot stayed and a few reversed. The second quote you gave their was actually for being rude as you would automatically think from viewing that post.


Lmao.
That's a perfect example on why hxf should review their rules and fix things up.
There is a lot of rules and they are all fair.


ye we hav some **** mods
I think the problem is that we have some rule breakers on the Forum which don't like to listen to rules and think they can spend all day breaking them. Infractions aren't punishments, they are reminders and warnings. Cautions and Bans are punishments but only Super Moderators can issue them.

[Slowpoke]

There a few trigger happy MODs I must say.

[Hitman]

I agree.

I like Jay a lot (opensourcehost) but I got a warning for accusing/naming a scammer etc... I didn't say any names, nor did I say the word scammer. I simply posted in his thread and said "I didnt receive my vip, I wouldn't say his status is trustworthy". I even worded it carefully!

[dannyisnotamazing]

Fair enough the hacker/scammer one or whatever but the lieing one is pathetic. The mods clearly know when your having a joke messing about saying stuff like
"WHY LIE?!?!!11"

[jesus]

its always the same one person that gives me these infractions for accusing people of lying

BUT

its blatantly obvious they are lying

i could even provide proof

but my infractions dotn get reversed

i think this rule should be reviewed

[Catzsy]

Well this was talked about quite a long time ago and particuarly in the spam section lots of members jokingly abuse each other and this was recognised as just being fun and not penalised in any way. Calling somebody a liar and meaning it however is not nice at all and there are other ways of taking people to task. Why call Earthquake a liar when you could have just asked him why he had contradicted himself and put the link? It would have served the same purpose and not got a penalty.

Moderation is all about common sense at the end of the day and it sounds like the rules are being applied too harshly on occasions but the only way to sort this I believe is to post in the infractions complaints section as it soon becomes apparant where there is a problem with understanding and applying the rules and it can be dealt with further advice, training etc.

[WarezKid]

I think it fine, becasue i said it was rude, and a MOD PM'ed me to ask if it was offensive, and i told me yes/no (wont say :P) maybe they should do that more? PMing users to see if it was offensive?

[jrh2002]

If you post a link that proves they are telling lies I dont see a reason why you cant call them a liar :o But just to call them a liar with no proof is wrong.

Its not the moderators fault as they are following a strict moderation guide. Maybe the rules could get altered if you can show proof.

Don't go off calling ppl liars and showing proof on my say so though because this is just my own personal opinion :)

[Orangeesh]

If you post a link that proves they are telling lies I dont see a reason why you cant call them a liar :o But just to call them a liar with no proof is wrong.

Its not the moderators fault as they are following a strict moderation guide. Maybe the rules could get altered if you can show proof.

Don't go off calling ppl liars and showing proof on my say so though because this is just my own personal opinion :)


was it?
then wth why make it a guide...
if u gotta follow it by heart
may as well make it
MODERATION RULES
DO NOT BREAK

DO THIS
DONT DO THAT

[jrh2002]

was it?
then wth why make it a guide...
if u gotta follow it by heart
may as well make it
MODERATION RULES
DO NOT BREAK

DO THIS
DONT DO THAT

Some of it you have to follow exactly and other bits you use your judgement so that = a GUIDE.
If anything comes along that means the guide needs altering/updating then it gets done.

[Grig]

There are possitive and neggative aspects to this.

The possitive aspects that it keeps Habbox under stern control and doesn't get the whole forum out of hand- which is the basis to moderation.

The bad thing that it is sometimes too harsh, but if you feel that an infraction wasn't posted against you in the wrong way- then you can always battle against it in an infraction problem thread.

[Orangeesh]

Some of it you have to follow exactly and other bits you use your judgement so that = a GUIDE.
If anything comes along that means the guide needs altering/updating then it gets done.

well then it isnt a strict moderation guide isit
if some parts are based on your own judgement

[jrh2002]

well then it isnt a strict moderation guide isit
if some parts are based on your own judgement

guide
–verb (used with object)

1.to assist (a person) to travel through, or reach a destination in, an unfamiliar area, as by accompanying or giving directions to the person: He guided us through the forest.

2.to accompany (a sightseer) to show points of interest and to explain their meaning or significance.

3.to force (a person, object, or animal) to move in a certain path.

4.to supply (a person) with advice or counsel, as in practical or spiritual affairs.

5.to supervise (someone's actions or affairs) in an advisory capacity. –noun

6.a person who guides, esp. one hired to guide travelers, tourists, hunters, etc.

7.a mark, tab, or the like, to catch the eye and thus provide quick reference.

8.a guidebook.

9.a book, pamphlet, etc., giving information, instructions, or advice; handbook: an investment guide.

10.a guidepost.

11.a device that regulates or directs progressive motion or action: a sewing-machine guide.

12.a spirit believed to direct the utterances of a medium.

13.Military. a member of a group marching in formation who sets the pattern of movement or alignment for the rest.

[---MAD---]

guide
–verb (used with object)

1.to assist (a person) to travel through, or reach a destination in, an unfamiliar area, as by accompanying or giving directions to the person: He guided us through the forest.

2.to accompany (a sightseer) to show points of interest and to explain their meaning or significance.

3.to force (a person, object, or animal) to move in a certain path.

4.to supply (a person) with advice or counsel, as in practical or spiritual affairs.

5.to supervise (someone's actions or affairs) in an advisory capacity. –noun

6.a person who guides, esp. one hired to guide travelers, tourists, hunters, etc.

7.a mark, tab, or the like, to catch the eye and thus provide quick reference.

8.a guidebook.

9.a book, pamphlet, etc., giving information, instructions, or advice; handbook: an investment guide.

10.a guidepost.

11.a device that regulates or directs progressive motion or action: a sewing-machine guide.

12.a spirit believed to direct the utterances of a medium.

13.Military. a member of a group marching in formation who sets the pattern of movement or alignment for the rest.
Well explained. Moderation cannot be done out of a book. It sometimes requires judgement calls ;).

[jrh2002]

It is also strict due to the fact a moderator not following the guide could end up or in trouble or them being removed from the moderation team as some of you well know :P

[Orangeesh]

It is also strict due to the fact a moderator not following the guide could end up or in trouble or them being removed from the moderation team as some of you well know :P

i bet u popped a bottle of champagne when u saw that thread

[bo$$]

There is a lot of rules and they are all fair.
If they are so fair, then why is there such a large amount of people complaining?
I never said that HxF rules are ALL crap.. I just think that this rule should be lightened. There have been people who are joking, and get warned/infracted for it which is crap.


Well this was talked about quite a long time ago and particuarly in the spam section lots of members jokingly abuse each other and this was recognised as just being fun and not penalised in any way. Calling somebody a liar and meaning it however is not nice at all and there are other ways of taking people to task. Why call Earthquake a liar when you could have just asked him why he had contradicted himself and put the link? It would have served the same purpose and not got a penalty.

Moderation is all about common sense at the end of the day and it sounds like the rules are being applied too harshly on occasions but the only way to sort this I believe is to post in the infractions complaints section as it soon becomes apparant where there is a problem with understanding and applying the rules and it can be dealt with further advice, training etc.
This is what I don't get though... so if I would have said "Well Earthquake, I believe that you contradicted your previous statement with this: -provides link-" I wouldn't have been warned..? Why not? It's the exact same thing except there's a link..
Why is it that if I say the exact same thing, except leave out the word "liar", I don't get warned?

Can I name a scammer without saying the word scam and not get warned?


If you post a link that proves they are telling lies I dont see a reason why you cant call them a liar :o But just to call them a liar with no proof is wrong.

Its not the moderators fault as they are following a strict moderation guide. Maybe the rules could get altered if you can show proof.

Don't go off calling ppl liars and showing proof on my say so though because this is just my own personal opinion :)
You're someone who makes sense. The thing is though, it seems like majority of the Moderators enjoy how it is now and just love handing out those infractions.

There are possitive and neggative aspects to this.

The possitive aspects that it keeps Habbox under stern control and doesn't get the whole forum out of hand- which is the basis to moderation.

The bad thing that it is sometimes too harsh, but if you feel that an infraction wasn't posted against you in the wrong way- then you can always battle against it in an infraction problem thread.
1- HabboxForum isn't under stern control.. and chances are, it'll never be under stern control.
2- Most of the infractions that are requested to be reversed, don't actually get reversed

[GommeInc]

Either your rules are too harsh or opensourcehost is WAY too obsessed with giving me infractions.

Here's the situation:
Thread 1:
Earthquake: I bully on unpopular kids
Me: -insert w/e i said here-

Thread 2:
Earthquake: I'm really a nice guy. I often talk to the unpopular kids and even act as if I'm struggling with work so I can talk to them
Me: Liar. In the other thread you said that you bully on unpopular kids

Maybe it's just me, but I think that the whole "DO NOT ACCUSE ANYONE OF LYING" rule is stupid.. especially since I didn't say anything like "O YOU LIED YOU SCAMMED HIM U LIAR U HACKED".
I doubt that I would have been infracted if I left out the word "Liar"...
I don't see the big difference

HxF staff should either change the rule so that it isn't so harsh (such as in my situation.. I get infracted for something riduclous) and only infract people for SERIOUS accusations.. or just chill the hell out once in awhile.

What really cracked me up was the reasoning behind the infraction:
"Accusing/naming anyone of lying/scamming/hacking or any other bad things."
I completely agree. I got accused of telling someone they were lying when they obviously were and for some strange, irrational reason, Habbox want you to play along.

Also, Catzy, pointing out someones contradicting statements has served as lying. It did for me at least :P

[Catzsy]

[Quote] LiquidAciidOR="darkolivegreen"][B]This is what I don't get though... so if I would have said "Well Earthquake, I believe that you contradicted your previous statement with this: -provides link-" I wouldn't have been warned..? Why not? It's the exact same thing except there's a link..
Why is it that if I say the exact same thing, except leave out the word "liar", I don't get warned?

Because you are asking him to explain his contradiction and he may well have had some reasonable answer for it. By doing this you are asking to explain an action and not attacking him personally by calling him a liar which is against the rules , with or without proof Jrh, unless the rules have changed. :) But it seems to be agreed by all the management that commonsense should be applied so referring to the infraction complaint section means that the Forum Smods/Management can essentially do a quality control check on the standard of moderation. I still think, maybe that there should be more emphasis on guidance than the persuit of mod logs that some mods may feel obliged to get. If that is not the case then the mods should be told that they are here to help as well as enforce the rules. I hate the word punish in any event but that's a personal opinion. :)

[GhostFace-]

i 110% agree with LiquidAciid some rules are so childish. ive gotten so many infractions, & alot of em were for childish reasons.

y cant somebody fix up some of the rules, keep the forum a bit more mature.

[:-:Mariah:-:]

the moderation system turned crap when mad took over it's TRUE believe a sistA

[cocaine]

its annoying if its clearly a joke but they infract you for it

[jrh2002]

the moderation system turned crap when mad took over it's TRUE believe a sistA

I can't remember a time when anybody liked the Habbox moderation system :o Looking at how some popular forums have dropped in numbers I do however believe the strict rules have helped HxF grow and remove the unwelcome guests.

I do prefer more of a common sense approach myself on things so if you get an infraction you don't agree with just appeal against it. I would hope all infraction reviews are done by common sense and not the letter of the law or else we will all be in jail like that woman and mohammed the teddy :eusa_whis

[Kardan]

I got done for exactly the same thing, by the same person :p

[Catzsy]

I can't remember a time when anybody liked the Habbox moderation system :o Looking at how some popular forums have dropped in numbers I do however believe the strict rules have helped HxF grow and remove the unwelcome guests.

Sorry James, I don't really get this. Most of the people you consider 'unwelcome guests' get permed and come back under other names so
if forums are less popular it can only mean that that particular forum is no longer in fashion or people have left the forum. This seems to have happened a bit lately but mainly because the class of 2003 have gone onto other things in life. However I have noticed a big rise in numbers on the forum, lately.

I do prefer more of a common sense approach myself on things so if you get an infraction you don't agree with just appeal against it. I would hope all infraction reviews are done by common sense and not the letter of the law or else we will all be in jail like that woman and mohammed the teddy :eusa_whis

Its a pretty good system providing common sense is applied as you suggest. I am sure that the forum management do a quality check on the standard of the decisions too particuarly if there are new Smods. I don't think the Teddy is in Jail ROFL :D

[Mr.OSH]

:) Hey guys,

I understand were you are coming from here and I know that lots of people don't agree with the fact they receive infraction/warnings for accusing/naming other members of lying, scamming, ripping, hacking, stealing or anything else bad. The bottom line is that without this rule it would upset a lot of people as on many occasions people would be falsely accused of doing bad things they had not done. As for the fact some of you claim to be joking when you say this I do understand that people in real life may say "haha you liar" and may not mean to offend others but the issue with this is that on an online forum what may seem blatantly obvious to you may be hard for a moderator to notice and sarcasm and joking isn't always 100% clear.

Additionally if we'd let people joke about it whenever people receive infractions or warnings about the offence they would report it claiming it was a joke even if it was not. Additionally if a moderator cannot notice sarcasm or joking in a post it could be likely that the member(s) it is aimed at could take it the wrong way also. I tend not to give infractions and instead warnings if there is a chance it may not have been said deliberately to offend others and upset then however if you want to avoid these warnings/infractions it is simple, do not make rude or what could be deemed offencive comments about others and follow the rules. I am not trying to cause you problems and I do not pick on anyone. I simply enforce the rules set by the forum management and try to be as fair as I can in issuing them. I have no intentions of handing out infractions and warnings for the sake of it or to annoy others there is always a reason behind issuing these and each one is checked by another Forum Super Moderator to make sure it is valid. There are only 2 ways at this time you'd be able to see less of these infractions or none of them being distributed, 1) if people simply didn't break this set of rules or 2) if the forum management changed their minds and altered this rule.

This rule is here for a reason and it's to stop people form being upset that they have been accused of doing something they did not. Would you really wish to be called a liar or a thief and have nothing done about it? I certainly wouldn't.

Thanks for brining this to my attention guys, I'll take your comments into account when moderating. ;)

Thanks,

opensourcehost
Habbox Forum Super Moderator

[jrh2002]

Sorry James, I don't really get this. Most of the people you consider 'unwelcome guests' get permed and come back under other names so
if forums are less popular it can only mean that that particular forum is no longer in fashion or people have left the forum. This seems to have happened a bit lately but mainly because the class of 2003 have gone onto other things in life. However I have noticed a big rise in numbers on the forum, lately. I don't think the Teddy is in Jail ROFL :D

The people who return either change and become worthwhile visitors or they get permed again which shows something is being done. I used to use another less strict forum and they had a member shouting down everybody for at least 2 years and he must have lost them more members and put newer ones off. this is just my opnion :)
I heard they noticed the teddy was really female and because it was not in full muslim dress so they stoned it to death. (This is not racist before you start and if you don't like what I said take a look at the way some muslim women are treated by some of the rediculous laws)

[Catzsy]

The people who return either change and become worthwhile visitors or they get permed again which shows something is being done. I used to use another less strict forum and they had a member shouting down everybody for at least 2 years and he must have lost them more members and put newer ones off. this is just my opnion :)
I heard they noticed the teddy was really female and because it was not in full muslim dress so they stoned it to death. (This is not racist before you start and if you don't like what I said take a look at the way some muslim women are treated by some of the rediculous laws)

Hmm the very few you speak of rarely reform and just get permed again and again. I can only think of one or two that actually did change, however that's my opinion too:D I agree about your second comment though and have always been in favour of cracking down on bullies although it is rarely as simple as that. New mods find it difficult to have a third way which is actually getting to know the members and corresponding with them on the same level. Compromise is good - authoritarianism is bad. This comes from experience though and a willingness to go beyond the rules.

[bo$$]

:) Hey guys,

I understand were you are coming from here and I know that lots of people don't agree with the fact they receive infraction/warnings for accusing/naming other members of lying, scamming, ripping, hacking, stealing or anything else bad. The bottom line is that without this rule it would upset a lot of people as on many occasions people would be falsely accused of doing bad things they had not done. As for the fact some of you claim to be joking when you say this I do understand that people in real life may say "haha you liar" and may not mean to offend others but the issue with this is that on an online forum what may seem blatantly obvious to you may be hard for a moderator to notice and sarcasm and joking isn't always 100% clear.

Additionally if we'd let people joke about it whenever people receive infractions or warnings about the offence they would report it claiming it was a joke even if it was not. Additionally if a moderator cannot notice sarcasm or joking in a post it could be likely that the member(s) it is aimed at could take it the wrong way also. I tend not to give infractions and instead warnings if there is a chance it may not have been said deliberately to offend others and upset then however if you want to avoid these warnings/infractions it is simple, do not make rude or what could be deemed offencive comments about others and follow the rules. I am not trying to cause you problems and I do not pick on anyone. I simply enforce the rules set by the forum management and try to be as fair as I can in issuing them. I have no intentions of handing out infractions and warnings for the sake of it or to annoy others there is always a reason behind issuing these and each one is checked by another Forum Super Moderator to make sure it is valid. There are only 2 ways at this time you'd be able to see less of these infractions or none of them being distributed, 1) if people simply didn't break this set of rules or 2) if the forum management changed their minds and altered this rule.

This rule is here for a reason and it's to stop people form being upset that they have been accused of doing something they did not. Would you really wish to be called a liar or a thief and have nothing done about it? I certainly wouldn't.

Thanks for brining this to my attention guys, I'll take your comments into account when moderating. ;)

Thanks,

opensourcehost
Habbox Forum Super Moderator


Like I've said a few times.. I don't think that the rule should get sacked all together.. Obviously the rules are set and they HAVE helped in some situations, but I think that it should be lightened up a little bit. You can see (from people posting in this thread), that a lot of people are like "o y lie lulz" and then they get infracted.. that's CLEARLY a joke.. as jrh keeps bringing up "It's common sense". Believe it or not, you can tell when someone is joking.

Example:
liez haha - Joking
You GOD DAMN LIAR - Not Joking
o y lie - Joking
Oh, you're a liar. - Not joking

The way that I posted it should have been clear if you read any of the conversation between me and Earthquake. I wasn't attacking him or anything.. all it takes is a little common sense to see that ;)

Back to the point.. the rule should be lightened up, easy as.
Yes rules are in place to keep people in check and yes, people can just "report the infraction" but majority of them aren't lifted.. so it's pretty pointless. If the rule WAS lightened a little bit, you can bet that members wouldn't be running around saying LIAR YOU LIAR !!! LIAR!!! as the consequences would be the same, unless they are clearly joking..

Thanks,

LiquidAciid
HabboxForum User


ps. regarding my sig, etc. I don't have anything against you personally ;)

[Mr.OSH]

ps. regarding my sig, etc. I don't have anything against you personally ;)

Haha, don't worry about it. :P However if you wish to get the rules lightened up moderators can't really do this as we have to follow a set of guidelines and although common sense does effect moderation decisions we cannot lighten up the rules unless the forum management choice to do this. Apologises for any problems I've caused but at the end of the day I'm only following the standard moderation scheme which I strongly doubt will be changed.

[buttons]

hw mch = ban enywayz cos nick is infractin n infractin ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?? and i reply sayin "can i get evidence please" and he is ignorez me.

[Mr.OSH]

hw mch = ban enywayz cos nick is infractin n infractin ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?? and i reply sayin "can i get evidence please" and he is ignorez me.

The amount of infractions that you receive towards a ban can vary completely on the circumstances. Some members can be banned with only 1 or 2 infractions and others can have 11 or 12, it really depends on the situation. :)

[Orangeesh]

It is also strict due to the fact a moderator not following the guide could end up or in trouble or them being removed from the moderation team as some of you well know :P


I followed the guide like a bible,
I got involved with arguments with other people, which led to them believing I would somehow bring down habbox's reputation..
which is quite hard to believe, I still did the moderating..
but I guess Habbox Management cares more about it's 'reputation'
more than it's staff.

[jrh2002]

I followed the guide like a bible,
I got involved with arguments with other people, which led to them believing I would somehow bring down habbox's reputation..
which is quite hard to believe, I still did the moderating..
but I guess Habbox Management cares more about it's 'reputation'
more than it's staff.

Habbox staff and especially moderators are meant to set a good example to the other users :S How can you be taken seriously when you edit, warn or infract anybody if you don't follow those rules yourself?

That policeman does a job great and arrests loads of people so we will overlook the fact that he commits crimes when hes off duty. :eusa_wall

[-Xiangu-]

Lmao.
That's a perfect example on why hxf should review their rules and fix things up.



no, the rules do not need to be changed but some of the moderators do

[---MAD---]

Habbox staff and especially moderators are meant to set a good example to the other users :S How can you be taken seriously when you edit, warn or infract anybody if you don't follow those rules yourself?

That policeman does a job great and arrests loads of people so we will overlook the fact that he commits crimes when hes off duty. :eusa_wall
Precisely - very well said :).

[sierk]

I think you have a good point. At this moment it is not allowed to accuse somebody of lying (or anything else), regardless if you have proof or not that the other person is lying.
Maybe this is too strict, I remember that we introduced this rule in particularly to prevent people of accusing each other of scamming. Maybe we should change the rule and only not allow that members accuse each other of serious things like hacking or scamming.


Either your rules are too harsh or opensourcehost is WAY too obsessed with giving me infractions.

Here's the situation:
Thread 1:
Earthquake: I bully on unpopular kids
Me: -insert w/e i said here-

Thread 2:
Earthquake: I'm really a nice guy. I often talk to the unpopular kids and even act as if I'm struggling with work so I can talk to them
Me: Liar. In the other thread you said that you bully on unpopular kids

Maybe it's just me, but I think that the whole "DO NOT ACCUSE ANYONE OF LYING" rule is stupid.. especially since I didn't say anything like "O YOU LIED YOU SCAMMED HIM U LIAR U HACKED".
I doubt that I would have been infracted if I left out the word "Liar"...
I don't see the big difference

HxF staff should either change the rule so that it isn't so harsh (such as in my situation.. I get infracted for something riduclous) and only infract people for SERIOUS accusations.. or just chill the hell out once in awhile.

What really cracked me up was the reasoning behind the infraction:
"Accusing/naming anyone of lying/scamming/hacking or any other bad things."

[GommeInc]

I think you have a good point. At this moment it is not allowed to accuse somebody of lying (or anything else), regardless if you have proof or not that the other person is lying.
Maybe this is too strict, I remember that we introduced this rule in particularly to prevent people of accusing each other of scamming. Maybe we should change the rule and only not allow that members accuse each other of serious things like hacking or scamming.
That would be better. Even when the person you are accusing of lying is actually lying you still get an infraction, and in some cases jokingly saying someone is lying can get you infractioned.

[le harry]

Warned for this..?


with wot
u sed you were buyin me vip
dirty LIAR. :(

Oh wait..

Kyle, you seem to have contradicted yourself with your statement on MSN saying you would "Buy me vip". Please quote me on this?

[jesus]

i think a more relaxed approach should be taken to this rule - if its obvious that its being done in a joking manner then theres nothing wrong with that.

moderators are just being lazy if they cant be bothered to check this

[Catzsy]

I think you have a good point. At this moment it is not allowed to accuse somebody of lying (or anything else), regardless if you have proof or not that the other person is lying.
Maybe this is too strict, I remember that we introduced this rule in particularly to prevent people of accusing each other of scamming. Maybe we should change the rule and only not allow that members accuse each other of serious things like hacking or scamming.

I think that is very sensible and if somebody is calling somebody a liar and it is obviously offensive in its tone and not in a joking way then an infraction/warning for insulting that person could be used anyway. :)

[Hitman]

I agree with certain posts; Lower the strictness of the rule regarding naming hackers/scammers and calling people liars. I think calling people liars shouldn't be something that breaks the rules, only naming scammers/hackers. My reason for this, is that of course somebody could just be holding a grudge against that person. Even with proof, I think it should stay - proof can be easily edited.

Just my two pennys worth! :)

[GommeInc]

If Habbox just shortened the rules or generalised a little, there would be very little issues "/

[JackHb]

I think sometimes the Mods/Super Mods and even sometimes the Admins do not use there common sense they just follow the rules like a robot.

I just seen a post a minute ago and a moderator had edited someones post telling him not to post pointlessly, yet the post was not pointless and it didnt need a edit by a mod.

As for getting told off for calling tht earthquake guy a liar, that is a bit much for them to infract you for that. As everyone knows he is a liar, they should just delete him if he is still around as he does no good for the forum.

[Hitman]

I think sometimes the Mods/Super Mods and even sometimes the Admins do not use there common sense they just follow the rules like a robot.

I just seen a post a minute ago and a moderator had edited someones post telling him not to post pointlessly, yet the post was not pointless and it didnt need a edit by a mod.

As for getting told off for calling tht earthquake guy a liar, that is a bit much for them to infract you for that. As everyone knows he is a liar, they should just delete him if he is still around as he does no good for the forum.Very nice post Jack, I agree fully.

[GommeInc]

And when you tell them that they're obviously lying they tell you not to say point it out. Well I don't see a rule for telling people not to point out liars so you end up getting a pointless infraction which they won't remove even though they've deemed it pointless themselves "/ Also, surely it's a good idea to point out someone is lying, so others know?

I think sometimes the Mods/Super Mods and even sometimes the Admins do not use there common sense they just follow the rules like a robot.

I just seen a post a minute ago and a moderator had edited someones post telling him not to post pointlessly, yet the post was not pointless and it didnt need a edit by a mod.

As for getting told off for calling tht earthquake guy a liar, that is a bit much for them to infract you for that. As everyone knows he is a liar, they should just delete him if he is still around as he does no good for the forum.

[Tristan]

Yes, a good lot stayed and a few reversed. The second quote you gave their was actually for being rude as you would automatically think from viewing that post.

I believe that J1MI doesn't classify "noob" as rude or insulting?

[Favourtism]

I believe that J1MI doesn't classify "noob" as rude or insulting?
It depends what context it is used in. Besides that it is also not allowed to post in the UK News and Rumours saying Old News as it is considered pointless.

''CALM DOWN U NOOB -REP'' Would appear rude in my opinion however '' Lol bob dont be a noob <3 '' Doesn't sound rude.

[GommeInc]

It depends what context it is used in. Besides that it is also not allowed to post in the UK News and Rumours saying Old News as it is considered pointless.

''CALM DOWN U NOOB -REP'' Would appear rude in my opinion however '' Lol bob dont be a noob <3 '' Doesn't sound rude.
How is "calm down you noob" rude? There is no rude word in there? If you're saying your nicer example isn't rude, then surely it is? Because the word which appears in both them is the word 'noob.'

[---MAD---]

How is "calm down you noob" rude? There is no rude word in there? If you're saying your nicer example isn't rude, then surely it is? Because the word which appears in both them is the word 'noob.'
That could be argued. For some reason the word noob seems to get people worked up which is why we clasify it as "rude".

[GommeInc]

That could be argued. For some reason the word noob seems to get people worked up which is why we clasify it as "rude".
How do you classify it as that? It's not rude, it's just aload of people getting worked up a word which means very little or has no meaning most of the time it's used... It's like me calling you a salty seaman, not rude, but could be cosndiered rude if you've got issues...

[---MAD---]

How do you classify it as that? It's not rude, it's just aload of people getting worked up a word which means very little or has no meaning most of the time it's used... It's like me calling you a salty seaman, not rude, but could be cosndiered rude if you've got issues...
I understand what you are saying but its not how many other see it. I have seen plenty of scenarios where someone says "you noob, thats not how to do it" or something then ends up with the other person responding with swearing or something rude. If the person said "you salt seaman, thats how to do it" the response would be "lol" don't you think?

The word noob is a weird one because you are saying the person is at the bottom/the start of something. Thats like saying you are a peasant (the bottom of the human hierachy in the olden days). If someone said "you peasant" that is quite rude.

[Hitman]

I understand what you are saying but its not how many other see it. I have seen plenty of scenarios where someone says "you noob, thats not how to do it" or something then ends up with the other person responding with swearing or something rude. If the person said "you salt seaman, thats how to do it" the response would be "lol" don't you think?

The word noob is a weird one because you are saying the person is at the bottom/the start of something. Thats like saying you are a peasant (the bottom of the human hierachy in the olden days). If someone said "you peasant" that is quite rude.True, MAD. There are a few sides to this, I think.

The word noob does get people worked up, because it's deemed offencive and rude by moderators (you receive an infraction for saying it like "go away noob"). If you were not infracted for saying "noob" then people would say it and the person being called a noob would think nothing of it. It's like sheep, one person finds it offencive everybody does. You're right though, somebody will say "you noob" and the other person will say "oh f off!" or something.

[GommeInc]

I understand what you are saying but its not how many other see it. I have seen plenty of scenarios where someone says "you noob, thats not how to do it" or something then ends up with the other person responding with swearing or something rude. If the person said "you salt seaman, thats how to do it" the response would be "lol" don't you think?

The word noob is a weird one because you are saying the person is at the bottom/the start of something. Thats like saying you are a peasant (the bottom of the human hierachy in the olden days). If someone said "you peasant" that is quite rude.
Then the one swearing should be in trouble, because noob is harmless and is actually a correct and polite way to say "you're new to this" without seeming too discriminate.

[Slowpoke]

I agree with you in places but "noob" is really annoying.

[Mentor]

I got a warming for avoiding the filter, by saying somthing thats not actually in the filter (actually copy and pasting an error message), which was clevery copied word for word in the PM, meaing the oh so clever *cough* mod had said the same thing back...

When i pointed it out they took the oh so proffessional option of ignoreing my PM :)

[JackHb]

The forum needs to do something about members who are obviously a nusiance. Such as that dawsy guy, in all his threads users are goin mad at him yet the thread just gets locked and the users get there posts edit. He should just be deleted as he is clearly a pain and disliked so does nothing for the forum.

If these pains were deleted the members wouldnt make threads and posts having a go at them so they all wouldnt get in trouble and they would all live happliy ever after.

[Elkaa]

I got a warming for avoiding the filter, by saying somthing thats not actually in the filter (actually copy and pasting an error message), which was clevery copied word for word in the PM, meaing the oh so clever *cough* mod had said the same thing back...

When i pointed it out they took the oh so proffessional option of ignoreing my PM :)

We do not (often) reply to the replies about infractions in PM. There is a specific thread for the discussion of infractions, so that everyone can see what is being said, and not just the SMod/Mod in question.