Rep

[Hazza]

Is there really any point reporting -rep anymore?
Whenever you do you get +rep taken away?
The rep problems thread may as well be called get your +rep taken off.

[Agesilaus]

The reason why Nick removes pointless good reputation is because he is enforcing a rule that has been around for a long time:


C12. Do NOT give pointless reputation - There are many reasons to give good reputation points. The post may have helped you, had been well written or be a very good reply. Giving rep points to others just because its a friend or negative reputation points just because you don't like somebody will not be tolerated. Giving bad reputation points when not called for or without a reason is also not tolerated. Anybody caught doing this may get a big reduction to their rep points or worse!

That's basically that's all he is doing, and he's even put it in the thread that the forum administrator has the right to remove any other reputation points that break the forum rules or is pointless.

I know what it's like, it's happened to me before, but I understand that is his job and only trying to give you a fair reputation.

I know it must be frustrating to have a lot of rep removed. =[

[jrh2002]

I think your spot on :( maybe its so ppl dont go report crazy and then the person checking the rep doesnt get well behind with 1000s of rep reported.

Here is what I posted in the complaint thread.

I don't like the idea of getting rep removed that was given to you if you never reported it. Maybe when you report somebody for giving you pointless or bad rep they should look at all the rep given by that person and manually deduct the total amount of pointless rep off their own accounts in admincp and leave the members who recieved it keep it? this way it would stop ppl pointless rep especially the people with high rep power.

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[Hazza]

It's just really annoying. I got 10 rep powers, it got put down to 9, then I got 10 again nearly 11, now it's 9.

It's just annoying.

[dannyisnotamazing]

I got about 200 rep removed before from nvrspk and I didn't report any, it was from something in my sig :S

[jrh2002]

Punishing the person giving the pointless rep is the way forward and not punishing the person recieving it unless they asked for the rep in the first place ;)

[Hazza]

Punishing the person giving the pointless rep is the way forward and not punishing the person recieving it unless they asked for the rep in the first place ;)
I agree.

Pointless rep can easily be covered up anyway. Just put "Good Post +REP - Name" and they wouldn't know whether it's pointless or not?

[Demon]

The question i ask is do we really ned rep on a habbo forum? The forum i worked at we didnt have rep it was so much easier to moderate and it would save alot of supermods time.

[@xP]

It's just really annoying. I got 10 rep powers, it got put down to 9, then I got 10 again nearly 11, now it's 9.

It's just annoying.

I was at 17 now at 15.
It's stupid, why does it say report a specific reputation issue then? theres no point in it asking for date and time. The thread might aswell say "Get your pointless rep removed here"
Because you don't just remove the pointless rep we want removed, you remove it all.

[Hazza]

Exactly, I'm not going to report -rep problems anymore.

[@xP]

Exactly, I'm not going to report -rep problems anymore.

I know, i might aswell stick with 30 rep removed them the 400 i just lossed.

[Hazza]

I mean this forums great but little things like that make it pathetic.

[@xP]

I mean this forums great but little things like that make it pathetic.

I know.


http://www.habboxforum.com/showpost.php?p=4248478&postcount=2 < jrh2002 said.

[flux]

If you don't want hundereds of rep removed then don't report neg rep!
Simple really lmao.

[@xP]

If you don't want hundereds of rep removed then don't report neg rep!
Simple really lmao.

Not realy.

They should only remove what you request.

[Hazza]

I know.


http://www.habboxforum.com/showpost.php?p=4248478&postcount=2 < jrh2002 said.
Jhr has the right idea.

[flux]

Not realy.

They should only remove what you request.
Well I agree with you, yeah. But it's their forum to manage, they're inforcing the rules that's been around for a while, it just seems more drastic right now because all the other reputation editors never inforced the rule..
I guess I'm quite lucky because on hysteria I don't really get any -rep, and if I do I don't bother reporting it, because I don't see the point really.

[Nick-]

I agree.

Pointless rep can easily be covered up anyway. Just put "Good Post +REP - Name" and they wouldn't know whether it's pointless or not?
I've been looking into that sort of reputation in a lot more detail recently, there are a certain few users who are 'repeat offenders' and unfortunately there's nothing I can do about it except remove it.
I PM'ed MAD about this a while ago and didn't receive a response but I firmly believe that issuing pointless rep repeatedly should justify a caution perhaps after a formal warning PM. There would be at least 5 maybe 6 high rep power users who would currently be cautioned if this was the case. If pointless repping continues after this caution further action will need to be taken in the form of a short ban and if the situation does not improve a permanent ban may need to be issued in the worst case scenario.
Unfortunately, because I didn't receive a response the only action I can take is to infract and that doesnt solve much in terms of preventing users from issuing pointless reputation.

The long and the short of this is that there needs to be a significant punishment for issuing pointless reputation that deters users enough so that they stop doing it and make my job slightly easier. ;)

[flux]

Isn't banning someone over pointlessly +repping someone a little .. drastic?
I think people are losing the prospect of repuation really, why does everyone take it so seriously? O_o

[dannyisnotamazing]

Ben are u permed or just temp

[flux]

Ben are u permed or just temp
10 day temp lol
:( gutted ere

[@xP]

Isn't banning someone over pointlessly +repping someone a little .. drastic?
I think people are losing the prospect of repuation really, why does everyone take it so seriously? O_o

Good points.

However it's over the top.
Theres no point in even having this Date & Time ect.

[Nick-]

Isn't banning someone over pointlessly +repping someone a little .. drastic?
I think people are losing the prospect of repuation really, why does everyone take it so seriously? O_o
Thats a question I've been asking for quite some time and its because of users taking it so seriously that there must be a serious enough punishment for abusing it.
jrh definitely has the right idea because at the moment those issuing the reputation are not being punished which ultimately means the problem is not being fixed, just slowed down.
Unfortunately, the procedure for issuing punishment for repeated pointless reppers is almost non existant, granted there was a new infraction added recently for those who swear or post inappropriate comments in the reputation system but it doesnt fix those who dont post inappropriate rep comments and just issue lots of pointless reputation.

[dannyisnotamazing]

10 day temp lol
:( gutted ere

omg what for now

[flux]

Thats a question I've been asking for quite some time and its because of users taking it so seriously that there must be a serious enough punishment for it.
jrh definitely has the right idea because at the moment those issuing the reputation are not being punished which ultimately means the problem is not being fixed, just slowed down.
Unfortunately, the procedure for issuing punishment for repeated pointless reppers is almost non existant, granted there was a new infraction added recently for those who swear or post inappropriate comments in the reputation system but it doesnt fix those who dont post inappropriate rep comments and just issue lots of pointless reputation.
I just see these repuation rules as stupid, for instance someone could go to you on MSN/Habbo 'oh yeah hi rep me please' then you find a post, and just put 'nice post, i agree.' You can't technically do anything about that, because it's someones opinion and for all you know they could agree with it.. So what good does all this reputation ruling do?
It just makes your job harder.

&@Danny; repeatedly breaking servere rules apparantly. I'm going to have to be a good boy from now on, because there arn't any longer temp. bans than 10 days that Habbox issue (as far as I'm aware..) so next would be perm ;x

[dannyisnotamazing]

&@Danny; repeatedly breaking servere rules apparantly. I'm going to have to be a good boy from now on, because there arn't any longer temp. bans than 10 days that Habbox issue (as far as I'm aware..) so next would be perm ;x

tutut :(:(

and yeah u be good now

[flux]

tutut :(:(
You replied before my edit!

[dannyisnotamazing]

You replied before my edit!

[Nick-]

I just see these repuation rules as stupid, for instance someone could go to you on MSN/Habbo 'oh yeah hi rep me please' then you find a post, and just put 'nice post, i agree.' You can't technically do anything about that, because it's someones opinion and for all you know they could agree with it.. So what good does all this reputation ruling do?
It just makes your job harder.

&@Danny; repeatedly breaking servere rules apparantly. I'm going to have to be a good boy from now on, because there arn't any longer temp. bans than 10 days that Habbox issue (as far as I'm aware..) so next would be perm ;x
I did spot that issue quite a while ago when I started looking at such reputation comments, fortunately the majority of users are often too lazy to find a genuinely good post that was helpful towards the thread topic or helpful to another user and just rep short, one worded posts in the Games section or in the Spam section and it is painfully obvious what has actually happened so the reputation gets removed. Granted its a little inconvenient for me to have to look at every post related to rep that says 'gd post' or a similar comment along those lines but it gets the job done.
I plan to put this punishment idea forward to the relevant Staff to see what others think of it because I don't mind issuing the punishment if it fixes the problem and I can gain the jurisdiction to do so.

Temporary bans can go on for months and months if we want them to although usually if a user has broken enough rules to gain a temporary ban that significant there's really no point to it and a permanent ban would be more suitable. ;)

[flux]

I did spot that issue quite a while ago when I started looking at such reputation comments, fortunately the majority of users are often too lazy to find a genuinely good post that was helpful towards the thread topic or helpful to another user and just rep short, one worded posts in the Games section or in the Spam section and it is painfully obvious what has actually happened so the reputation gets removed. Granted its a little inconvenient for me to have to look at every post related to rep that says 'gd post' or a similar comment along those lines but it gets the job done.
I plan to put this punishment idea forward to see what others think of it because I don't mind issuing the punishment if it fixes the problem and I can gain the jurisdiction to do so.
But then people will just look for a decent post and rep that, then you can't really do much about it..
I'm not like disagreeing with you or anything necesseraly, I'm just questioning because I'm undecided on what I think should happen really.

&@Nicks edit about bans; well mines 10 day, I have 13 infractions that are valid, and for instance say a few months down the line, all my infractions expire then I gain another 10 or so, would you look into my expired infractions and try and calculate a ban on that? Because I have so many expired ones, eeegh >_>

[GommeInc]

Maybe you should earn the good rep the way you're meant to and not ask for it or suggest people give you pointless rep "/

[flux]

Maybe you should earn the good rep the way you're meant to and not ask for it or suggest people give you pointless rep "/
But whether or not you earn it or not, you can't control others pointless repping you :S

[Nick-]

That is indeed an option that gets around the pointless rep rules although there's really not much we can do about that because we have no control over what users do outside the Forum. :(
The best we can do in such a situation is admire the effort the user went to find a valid post to rep and move on to the next comment. Fortunately that is a rarity as once a valid post is found the comment issued often gives it away as rep that's been requested. Another dead giveaway is the time the post that received the rep was posted, issuing rep for a valid post made 6 months ago has quite obviously been hunted down and targeted for reputation. ;)

[Jazza]

I don't bother reporting it anymore as I usually lose 50-100 rep whenever I do seeing as people don't always leave comments and whoever removes them doesn't check the post we get repped for.

[Nick-]

I don't bother reporting it anymore as I usually lose 50-100 rep whenever I do seeing as people don't always leave comments and whoever removes them doesn't check the post we get repped for.
Actually, I handle that thread and I check every post related to every reputation point that seems suspicious in any way, shape or form. Any reputation I have removed from you was either because other users were 'just spreading', issuing reputation with the expressed intent for you to rep back or issuing it with a pointless/short comment. ;)
50-100 rep points every time? I only look through your last 30 days reputation, once I look at it once I don't go back and look at it again and randomly remove rep that I didn't remove last time you reported a negative rep. Although you may of lost 100 rep points previously there is no way you will lose that much again unless you have received 100 points worth of pointless reputation over the last 30 days.

[Jazza]

You should check harder becausI know that a few reps I've had removed weren't pointless.

In fact, I'm going to -rep you and lets see if you lose any +reps from it ;)
£10 says you don't

[Nick-]

You should check harder becausI know that a few reps I've had removed weren't pointless.

In fact, I'm going to -rep you and lets see if you lose any +reps from it ;)
£10 says you don't
Who are you to say how hard I check? I check the initial post content, the post content of previous posts in the thread, the thread context and the overall tone of comments posted in the thread, don't just assume that I don't do my job properly because you have a difference in opinion as to whats pointless.

As for the -rep you've just issued me; that would be considered as a pointless comment as I attempted to help you in answering your comment in this thread, the comment you actually posted in the reputation is also lacking a point purely because you did not have a valid reason to -rep and -repped for the sake of attempting to prove your point, henceforth I have to remove it.

[Jazza]

But you didn't go through the last month of rep and remove all the pointless ones though did you? I thought not. ta ta

[Elliott$]

i dont report reps, haven't done for a while, and my rep seems to go up alot more... and no I don't get all pointless +reps lol it says report rep problems, +reps aint the problem yet they remove them. but reporting them always gets ur rep down, I want wayne back =[

[.L!nK.]

But you didn't go through the last month of rep and remove all the pointless ones though did you? I thought not. ta ta

-repping him will get you -repped many times by him goodluck yeah.


Also I don't report anymore -reps because from my previous account i got like 300 rep removed.


Since then I haven't reported rep :D

[Elliott$]

Nick- quote:
I only look through your last 30 days reputation, once I look at it once I don't go back and look at it again and randomly remove rep

I'll hold you to that ;).

[Nick-]

But you didn't go through the last month of rep and remove all the pointless ones though did you? I thought not. ta ta
Because I know that I haven't received any pointless reputation. I don't issue reputation often so its not often anyone has the opportunity to return it, the only occasion on which other users rep me is for being helpful because I don't post negative comments on here as I dont see the point.
For example, although I cant quote the actual reputation comment I can tell you I have received quite a few over the last few weeks for adding VIPs usertitles/changing VIPs names and other VIP related tasks such as helping solve issues via PM all of which are justified reputation comments as its a show of gratitude.

Feel free to Elliott, the reputation page is set by default to 30 days so I don't need to change anything when I go looking through reputation, all I have to do is type in the username and hit search. ;)

[Immenseman]

I personally think it's fair enough that if you report negative rep then you're running the risk of getting positive rep removed. The thing that I find annoying is that when you get rep removed when you haven't even posted in that thread.

[Moozo]

if i was a mod, i'd wake up, see how **** the rules are, and resign.

[WarezKid]

Lmao.

I not gonna report my REP- since i got lots of pointless rep+ as well ^^

[The Professor]

if i was a mod, i'd wake up, see how **** the rules are, and resign.

None of the rules are THAT unreasonable. Most users manage to stick to them so they cant be that bad.

[joshuar]

If you are an administrator you are not permitted to check your own reputation. If Nick- got a pointless bad reputation he would have to ask another administrator to check it for him.

And also Nick- will get alot of rep from VIP members as I remember lots of people rep you as a thank you.

AND also the admincp reputation page is set to a default of 30 days back (1 month), so he shouldn't need to change the settings.

This was all introduced to reduce the use of that thread, as the amount of people who wanted it removed was stupid, and most wasn't pointless. This was all part to clean up the reputation system that we had many complaints about before.

[.L!nK.]

If you are an administrator you are not permitted to check your own reputation. If Nick- got a pointless bad reputation he would have to ask another administrator to check it for him.

And also Nick- will get alot of rep from VIP members as I remember lots of people rep you as a thank you.

AND also the admincp reputation page is set to a default of 30 days back (1 month), so he shouldn't need to change the settings.

This was all introduced to reduce the use of that thread, as the amount of people who wanted it removed was stupid, and most wasn't pointless. This was all part to clean up the reputation system that we had many complaints about before.

Now Now, The bold isn't true.
Also I don't mind/nor care if he removes his own which he does but lieing about it?

[joshuar]

I think you find it is, I have never removed my own pointless reputation, I got another administrator to see if it's pointless and let them deal with it, and I have only ever had 1 reputation removed when somebody's account was hacked and it bad repped people.

If you think he is doing it, I am sure you can PM ---MAD--- who will check the Admin Logs for you to see if he is doing it, which I very much doubt.

[.L!nK.]

I think you find it is, I have never removed my own pointless reputation, I got another administrator to see if it's pointless and let them deal with it, and I have only ever had 1 reputation removed when somebody's account was hacked and it bad repped people.

If you think he is doing it, I am sure you can PM ---MAD--- who will check the Admin Logs for you to see if he is doing it, which I very much doubt.


Like I said, i don't care/mind if he does it, but lieing about it and speaking for him won't be fair ;)

[joshuar]

I wouldn't waste my time lying to you. I have a list of better things to do than that (one of them being writing this list down).

I personally believe that Nick- isn't one to go and remove his own reputation, as I doubt he cares that much about it.

If it bothers you that im "lying" by believing that someone hasn't checked their own reputation then ask ---MAD--- to check the logs.

[.L!nK.]

Who are you to say how hard I check? I check the initial post content, the post content of previous posts in the thread, the thread context and the overall tone of comments posted in the thread, don't just assume that I don't do my job properly because you have a difference in opinion as to whats pointless.

As for the -rep you've just issued me; that would be considered as a pointless comment as I attempted to help you in answering your comment in this thread, the comment you actually posted in the reputation is also lacking a point purely because you did not have a valid reason to -rep and -repped for the sake of attempting to prove your point, henceforth I have to remove it.

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But like I said, I don't care.

[Actor]

Lmao.

I not gonna report my REP- since i got lots of pointless rep+ as well ^^

Have you not thought of the fact Nick- may see your post and think "I'll remove his pointless rep"

Brains of some people..:rolleyes:

[.L!nK.]

Have you not thought of the fact Nick- may see your post and think "I'll remove his pointless rep"

Brains of some people..:rolleyes:


If that post was sarcasm or not, I'm still going to say this:

Nick- Isn't allowed to remove peoples reps if they didn't report ;)

[Actor]

If that post was sarcasm or not, I'm still going to say this:

Nick- Isn't allowed to remove peoples reps if they didn't report ;)

I'm pretty sure he said somewhere


If i see somebody going up by a suspicious amount of rep then I will check through there rep and remove all the pointless reps.

I could be mistaken though, so correct me if I am wrong.

[.L!nK.]

I'm pretty sure he said somewhere



I could be mistaken though, so correct me if I am wrong.

I'm sure he isn't allowed to do that UNLESS they report.
Then he can check :)

I think thats what he meant

[Charlie]

Tbh, it's just a bunch of green blocks under your name. What purpose does it serve?

[GoldenMerc]

Even James (Jrh2002) said Habbox's rules have gone ape, Habbox needs to wake up look at all of them look at whats happning, Yep Charlie your right its just green blocks under your name, But still people want to enjoy habbox and if they enjoy Gaining rep then they should be allowed to removing pointless +reps is stupid.
Ross

[GommeInc]

I don't see what's wrong with removing +reps? It's a reputation system, maybe you should learn what that means? Also, I agree about the extremely crap Habbox Rules, no one reads them. Look at them, they're a 1,000+ essay that could bore the socks off Shakespear! The only good thing about the rules is that you can break the rules and claim you're not by twisting another contradcitory rule. You're also allowed pornography in avatars, because as far as I am aware, they have no such rule :P

[Earthquake]

Why do you think I'm too scared to post in their?

[.L!nK.]

Why do you think I'm too scared to post in their?

You are known to post their anyway :P

[Favourtism]

You're also allowed pornography in avatars, because as far as I am aware, they have no such rule :P

Of course your not allowed innapropiate images in you avatar. Withing seconds I found this:



A32. Do not post or link to obscene or inappropriate websites, images or videos.


I am sure that rule ^^ Covers it.

[---MAD---]

GommeInc, if you serious thought that, I suggest you re-read the forum rules ;).

[.L!nK.]

GommeInc, if you serious thought that, I suggest you re-read the forum rules ;).


lmao @ whoever just removed 300 of my rep

i didnt even report :l

[GommeInc]

Of course your not allowed innapropiate images in you avatar. Withing seconds I found this:


I am sure that rule ^^ Covers it.
It says do not link or post. Avatars can be uploaded and you can argue it doesn't specifally say do not upload links to Habbox Forum as Avatars so that can be used against it :rolleyes:

[WarezKid]

It says do not link or post. Avatars can be uploaded and you can argue it doesn't specifally say do not upload links to Habbox Forum as Avatars so that can be used against it :rolleyes:


Pwned :P


That true, you can bypass it, so i suggest updating it..

[GommeInc]

Pwned :P


That true, you can bypass it, so i suggest updating it..
Infact, adding to my post, you can upload pornography to HabboxForum and later add them to posts because uploading is the former and posting is the latter "/

Habbox can save about 100 words for pornography and obscene words without going into detail.

In short; Do NOT post, upload or link to ANY form of obscene or rude images, including pornography. Or even shorter: No obscene or rude images at all on Habbox Forum.

I would rewrite the rules for Habbox, but it's not my job. The whole rules section can be chopped in half and would save alot of time and effort.