One Man Show....

[Catzsy]

The constructive thread that Dentafrice, made earlier called' About the way this forum is run' that ran for a long time with some very good contributions from both members and management has now been moved to the complaints section because - check link, please.

http://www.habboxforum.com/showpost.php?p=4308914&postcount=6

This really does make the mind boggle - Happy New Year, everyone :D

[Ostinato]

Ugh - whats new.

[Boxiel]

I dont get it...

[fweggy]

Me niether

[Pat McGroin]

I dont get it...


Me niether

MAD making all the decisions. He's not even forum manager.

[Jordy]

MAD making all the decisions. He's not even forum manager.No he's better than forum manager. He's general manager which makes him the top of the Habbox hierarchy.

[Ostinato]

No he's better than forum manager. He's general manager which makes him the top of the Habbox hierarchy.

Erm have you heard of sierk mate?

[Catzsy]

No he's better than forum manager. He's general manager which makes him the top of the Habbox hierarchy.

So why does he have any Forum Managers and AGMs then when he makes all the decisions? What's the point of it? Nothing has changed. He just can't delegate for fear of losing a bit of control.

[reindeer.]

that is probably c+ped from his list of replies file.

[@xP]

Erm have you heard of sierk mate?

So? ---MAD-- didn't make ALL the decisions on his own. They get approved by other management.

What she's trying to say is that MAD has enough feedback. Changes my occur.


i dunno.

[Ostinato]

that is probably c+ped from his list of replies file.

hahahahah too true too true

[Jordy]

Erm have you heard of sierk mate?Yes but it states he only owns Habbox, he doesn't run or manage it. Though I suppose he does select his administrators and make important decisions, but that isn't included in his user title. In a company what's top of the hierarchy, it's not the shareholders, it's the CEO.

[Soil]

Yes but it states he only owns Habbox, he doesn't run or manage it. Though I suppose he does select his administrators and make important decisions, but that isn't included in his user title. In a company what's top of the hierarchy, it's not the shareholders, it's the CEO.

Its not shareholders because you could own 0.1% of the shares.
The Directors are at the top as they make most of the decisions. I could own a company by owning 99% of the shares and that doesnt mean I am incharge of the comapny.

[benjamin]

So why does he have any Forum Managers and AGMs then when he makes all the decisions? What's the point of it? Nothing has changed. He just can't delegate for fear of losing a bit of control.
LOL OH DEAR ROSIE.
I remember saying that about you on HabMate :)

[Catzsy]

LOL OH DEAR ROSIE.
I remember saying that about you on HabMate :)

Yes well maybe you do but I have never made any decisions without consultation and and I can delegate. Thanks:)

Oh and hey Saurav - long time no see.xxx

[benjamin]

Yes well maybe you do but I have never made any decisions without consultation and and I can delegate. Thanks:)

Oh and hey Saurav - long time no see.xxx
Sure just like when I made changed to Moderation Department on HabMate, as I was AFM and Garion said I could do what I please to kickstart the team (which it needed)
Everything I did, you undermimed me and put back to the old way?
&For what you just said a minute ago, that makes you a hypocrite.

[Superman]

lol Ben, nice change of subject there haha. What I think would be a nice idea is if the most intelligent members both sides of the argument were picked for a special debate in which only they could post, and keep battling point versus point until either something happens or no-one cares any more :P hell, it would amuse me if nothing else.

[benjamin]

lol Ben, nice change of subject there haha. What I think would be a nice idea is if the most intelligent members both sides of the argument were picked for a special debate in which only they could post, and keep battling point versus point until either something happens or no-one cares any more :P hell, it would amuse me if nothing else.
Sorry but when I saw her post that it really did make me laugh.
I gave my opinion in a polite manner in a thread earlier and it got completely ignored and I feel I came across quite maturely about it and made good points, so I can't really be bothered now..

[Catzsy]

Sure just like when I made changed to Moderation Department on HabMate, as I was AFM and Garion said I could do what I please to kickstart the team (which it needed)
Everything I did, you undermimed me and put back to the old way?
&For what you just said a minute ago, that makes you a hypocrite.

Well TBH I don't know who on earth you are but if I did I am sure that I had a reason for it. You are of course entitled to your opinion. Obviously if you feel this way you can post a thread on HabMate stating this and it will not be moved out and people can have their say on it. Thanks :)

[reindeer.]

and i always thought you were just a spammer ben! :O ;)

[Nixt]

Well TBH I don't know who on earth you are but if I did I am sure that I had a reason for it. You are of course entitled to your opinion. Obviously if you feel this way you can post a thread on HabMate stating this and it will not be moved out and people can have their say on it. Thanks :)

It's Ben.

[benjamin]

Well TBH I don't know who on earth you are but if I did I am sure that I had a reason for it. You are of course entitled to your opinion. Obviously if you feel this way you can post a thread on HabMate stating this and it will not be moved out and people can have their say on it. Thanks :)
Ben, your old AFM and Asst. Community Manager & Radio Manager
No thanks, I'd rather not. I quit HabMate.

[Catzsy]

Ben, your old AFM and Asst. Community Manager & Radio Manager
No thanks, I'd rather not. I quit HabMate.

Well okay but the topic is not about me and I would not have moved the thread out of the feedback forum or closed off discussion. You feeling better now. Garion?

[Superman]

I had a better idea. I should be made management.

[benjamin]

I had a better idea. I should be made management.
QFT :)

[Paulio]

I had a better idea. I should be made management.

i second this

[Catzsy]

i second this

Actually you and FJ should be - xxx

[Superman]

If FlyingJesus gets unbanned I might actually look into getting a job

[Catzsy]

If FlyingJesus gets unbanned I might actually look into getting a job

Well good luck to you, Sir! :D

[GommeInc]

When is MAD going to quit his job? It seems he is causing more problems than he is solving juding the amount of attacks he has had.

[---MAD---]

So why does he have any Forum Managers and AGMs then when he makes all the decisions? What's the point of it? Nothing has changed. He just can't delegate for fear of losing a bit of control.
What? I cannot make my own decision if I want to move a thread? You want me to talk to 10 or so (all of management + FMs) people before moving a thread? How long would we have to wait before we moved a thread at that rate? How much would get done at that rate? Please think broadly - you cannot expect me or other management to have to talk to 10 or so people just so they can do a simple thing like moving a thread/closing a thread or any thing that minor.

that is probably c+ped from his list of replies file.
Please show me were I replied with the exact same thing.

[Catzsy]

What? I cannot make my own decision if I want to move a thread? You want me to talk to 10 or so (all of management + FMs) people before moving a thread? How long would we have to wait before we moved a thread at that rate? How much would get done at that rate? Please think broadly - you cannot expect me or other management to have to talk to 10 or so people just so they can do a simple thing like moving a thread/closing a thread or any thing that minor.



No you misunderstand - you said I have had enough of the feedback in your post so it was your decision alone to stop the whole discussion. By doing that you denied any other Management having a say. I do think it was ingenius of you to introduce the complaints forum as its a great escape route when members are venting their frustration. I did not link the thread referred to for obvious reasons as it would have looked as if I was moving it back.:O:P

While I have your attention are we having a Habbox Council as suggested in your post of the 23rd September, 2007.
I can link that:
http://www.habboxforum.com/showpost.php?p=3931408&postcount=220

Thanks :)

[le harry]

What I think would be a nice idea is if the most intelligent members both sides of the argument were picked for a special debate in which only they could post, and keep battling point versus point until either something happens or no-one cares any more :P

that's not a bad idea.. it'd save the same argument being said by the same members..

[Dungeon]

lmao intrestying

[Jordy]

No you misunderstand - you said I have had enough of the feedback in your post so it was your decision alone to stop the whole discussion. By doing that you denied any other Management having a say. I do think it was ingenius of you to introduce the complaints forum as its a great escape route when members are venting their frustration. I did not link the thread referred to for obvious reasons as it would have looked as if I was moving it back.:O:P

While I have your attention are we having a Habbox Council as suggested in your post of the 23rd September, 2007.
I can link that:
http://www.habboxforum.com/showpost.php?p=3931408&postcount=220

Thanks :)Have you noticed every time you make a very good point or someone else does, such as that post they never reply to it and blatantly ignore it as they know they have been defeated? It's really beginning to irritate me. I've seen at least 4 posts over the past few days which do 'pwn' the management, however they never bother to reply to them. But they do waste their time replying to comments like 'that is probably c+ped from his list of replies file.' which was sarcasm which they take seriously? :S

[Catzsy]

Have you noticed every time you make a very good point or someone else does, such as that post they never reply to it and blatantly ignore it as they know they have been defeated? It's really beginning to irritate me. I've seen at least 4 posts over the past few days which do 'pwn' the management, however they never bother to reply to them. But they do waste their time replying to comments like 'that is probably c+ped from his list of replies file.' which was sarcasm which they take seriously? :S

Well I am so used to it now and I expect others are too that one feels obliged to go into parrot mode and just keep repeating oneself. I must have asked the question about the Habbox Council about 6 times lately. Oh well must go Long John Silver wants me :)

[jrh2002]

If I see something I can comment on I will do :o I will give my own opinions and if it goes against what the majority or management think then so be it. If I see something I thinks a waste of time I will just ignore it or let the people who feel the need to reply do so. I do miss a few threads from time to time but thats because I have been struggling to get on so much over the last few weeks.

As for the Habbox council :o I do know its being sorted out and will be coming at some point :o I can't give a date because I am not the one sorting it. I must say I think it will be a total waste of time and effort. I have seen so many councils from habbo to other fansites fail. Even real councils are a total waste :o Once the people get on the council all they do in the end is whats right for themselves with the exception of a few.

[Soil]

While I have your attention are we having a Habbox Council as suggested in your post of the 23rd September, 2007.
I can link that:
http://www.habboxforum.com/showpost.php?p=3931408&postcount=220


But Catzsy, that would mean members have a say on this forum and MAD wont get to be a dictator, so its not gonna happen.

[---MAD---]

I must say I think it will be a total waste of time and effort. I have seen so many councils from habbo to other fansites fail. Even real councils are a total waste :o Once the people get on the council all they do in the end is whats right for themselves with the exception of a few.
Yeah I agree with that which is why I never pushed it. I certainly wouldn't push back other projects for it. But lets just see how it goes when it does come around.

[Lycan]

So the long thread which at the time you and other management showed great intrest in was basicly to just shut us up?

[Superman]

You pick the worst ever examples ever. She meant big decisions which affect all the members, not one little thread. Use your common sense ... thats if you have any.

Actually the comment was aimed at him moving threads ^_^ it's already been explained and vouched by many that the big decisions are discussed as a group.

Off topic perhaps so no need to start a full discussion on it, but what's the deal with the Habbox Council?

[Soil]

Actually the comment was aimed at him moving threads ^_^ it's already been explained and vouched by many that the big decisions are discussed as a group.

Off topic perhaps so no need to start a full discussion on it, but what's the deal with the Habbox Council?

There was one where he was accused of the same but for making big decisions so I must have got mixed up with the threads.

[jrh2002]

So the long thread which at the time you and other management showed great intrest in was basicly to just shut us up?

Its going ahead because alot agree with the idea and its all being set up.
I am quite appauled that our dictator who is still unsure on the idea does not stamp it out lol

If habbo with their staff cant run a council and most the councils in the country are all run badly I can't see it doing much :o Let them prove me wrong and I really do hope it works.

[Catzsy]

Quote:
Originally Posted by jrh2002
I must say I think it will be a total waste of time and effort. I have seen so many councils from habbo to other fansites fail. Even real councils are a total waste :o Once the people get on the council all they do in the end is whats right for themselves with the exception of a few.




Yeah I agree with that which is why I never pushed it. I certainly wouldn't push back other projects for it. But lets just see how it goes when it does come around.

This quite unbelievable you have just completely contradicted what you said here.
http://www.habboxforum.com/showpost.php?p=3931408&postcount=220
Link:

Nvr and Josh backed and so did loads of members. One thing about Jrh I admire is that if doesn't agree with something he just comes out and says he doesn't. He certainly has my admiration and respect for that even though we don't agree with each other all the time. Anyway so the time scale is?
This month, this year? I am sure you can give us a guesstimate.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Erm have you heard of sierk mate?

This is the problem with sierk, he sits there and let's people who want nothing but to annoy and destroy the forum in as many ways as possible, he let's them get away with it. It happened with 8Freak8 and now it's happening with ---MAD---

[-Xiangu-]

mad isn't ruining or destroying the forum at all. Most of you cant even say anything about mad doing a bad job because the job he does is extremely hard to do and i doubt most of you would be able to do the job half as well as him

[jrh2002]

Quote:
Originally Posted by jrh2002
I must say I think it will be a total waste of time and effort. I have seen so many councils from habbo to other fansites fail. Even real councils are a total waste :o Once the people get on the council all they do in the end is whats right for themselves with the exception of a few.





This quite unbelievable you have just completely contradicted what you said here.
http://www.habboxforum.com/showpost.php?p=3931408&postcount=220
Link:

Nvr and Josh backed and so did loads of members. One thing about Jrh I admire is that if doesn't agree with something he just comes out and says he doesn't. He certainly has my admiration and respect for that even though we don't agree with each other all the time. Anyway so the time scale is?
This month, this year? I am sure you can give us a guesstimate.

I will go with this year lol nvr is your man so chase him down ;)

I really hope it works and I am not for the idea just on past experience regarding councils. Good luck to all who will be involved.

[Mr.OSH]

I will go with this year lol nvr is your man so chase him down ;)

I really hope it works and I am not for the idea just on past experience regarding councils. Good luck to all who will be involved.

I have to agree with you there, councils from my experience have not worked terribly well however that is not to say this one wouldn't work. I'm all for testing the idea out but something makes me think that it simply will not work the way it is imagined it will. I think people need to remember that if there was a council the management still will get the final say in decisions, that is what they are here for and at this moment in time criticism and ideas for forum improvement is looked into even if you don't think it is. Of course a council in theory would make the communication between staff and member much stronger and that is something I'd be happy to help with however I just think that it will not work the way it is imagined because as said many real life "versions" of this do not tend to work very well. I agree that ideas need to be put across and the community and communication sides of the forum are very important but I can't say I think a council would be the correct idea however I would be happy to back this and help out with it as it would be very good if it did indeed work. I'd very much like my feelings to be proven wrong on that one, so I'm definitely in agreement it should be tested out but I'm not 100% sure if it will work in the way we imagine it would. :)

[Ostinato]

Quote:
Originally Posted by jrh2002
I must say I think it will be a total waste of time and effort. I have seen so many councils from habbo to other fansites fail. Even real councils are a total waste :o Once the people get on the council all they do in the end is whats right for themselves with the exception of a few.





This quite unbelievable you have just completely contradicted what you said here.
http://www.habboxforum.com/showpost.php?p=3931408&postcount=220
Link:

Nvr and Josh backed and so did loads of members. One thing about Jrh I admire is that if doesn't agree with something he just comes out and says he doesn't. He certainly has my admiration and respect for that even though we don't agree with each other all the time. Anyway so the time scale is?
This month, this year? I am sure you can give us a guesstimate.

Exactly. I too have strong admiration for jrh as he is about the only decent and trully honest admin on here. He speaks his mind trully and does what is good for the welfare of the forum users - not himself.

Jrh for general manager! :P

[Soil]

Exactly. I too have strong admiration for jrh as he is about the only decent and trully honest admin on here. He speaks his mind trully and does what is good for the welfare of the forum users - not himself.

Jrh for general manager! :P

Thats the thing, Jrh uses his common sense and respects other members opinions.

[jrh2002]

Exactly. I too have strong admiration for jrh as he is about the only decent and trully honest admin on here. He speaks his mind trully and does what is good for the welfare of the forum users - not himself.

Jrh for general manager! :P

Lol No Chance :O I could not run such a big community unless I was the owner and what I said would go like it or not. Whatever you say about Mad all the management had input on the new system and all the changes were run past Sierk before they were put into action. I know people are not happy with the changes but we all believed it needed to be altered and this was the fairest way. Oh if I was still the owner of such a big community and it was non profit making like HxF I would have closed it down a long time ago because at times its more trouble to run than its worth :o the place is meant to be for discussions and not have everybody crying over green blocks :o

[Antony]

Jrh is always honest and thats the management we need, not ones that hide on invisible mode and just replying to sections they feel they can reply to. MAD knows the majority of the community on the forum don't like him, so why doesn't he just pack it in?

whats the point in a council if decisions are made, and MAD doesn't like them or see's something wrong with it, would it be implemented or any change happen? I doubt it.

[jrh2002]

whats the point in a council if decisions are made, and MAD doesn't like them or see's something wrong with it, would it be implemented or any change happen? I doubt it.

The council would all discuss an idea until it was agreed. the council would be made up of management and members and I am sure Mad would have to be on the council for it to work. It will be a bit like the house of commons without the drunks :o and at the end of the day Mad could decide for or against something just like the priminister does but its all about compromise on issues not a yes or no.

[Mr.OSH]

The council would all discuss an idea until it was agreed. the council would be made up of management and members and I am sure Mad would have to be on the council for it to work. It will be a bit like the house of commons without the drunks :o and at the end of the day Mad could decide for or against something just like the priminister does but its all about compromise on issues not a yes or no.

Indeed, at the end of the day someone has to draw the line and make decisions and people will not always agree with the decisions. Community communication and input is defiantly needed but MAD has to make the decisions at the end of the day, it is his job after all to do that but that doesn't mean to say that the members can't have a say, which I feel they do have the opportunity to express their opinions at this time but I'm sure if a council did work it would improve this side of Habbox considerably but if it would work properly, I really have doubts with that but I'd love to see it become successful.

[Lycan]

Indeed, at the end of the day someone has to draw the line and make decisions and people will not always agree with the decisions. Community communication and input is defiantly needed but MAD has to make the decisions at the end of the day, it is his job after all to do that but that doesn't mean to say that the members can't have a say, which I feel they do have the opportunity to express their opinions at this time but I'm sure if a council did work it would improve this side of Habbox considerably but if it would work properly, I really have doubts with that but I'd love to see it become successful.
But at the end of the day surely if a majority of the forum dislike the change then its not in the forum members best intrests for it to happen, otherwise things are simply changing for the sake of changing and the members have to deal with basicly what the management would like to see,

ok thats probebly fair enough when written down on paper that thoose who run get to decide but i was under the influence that a community forum was built up by its members who modeled the forum and that the staff served the members to make their lives easier for example moderation of posts to remove bullying and such and not to in this case control the members and to go against what the majority want

So at the end of the day is it not just not in the best intrests of the forum but in the best intrests of thoose who call themselves incharge?

[Catzsy]

Indeed, at the end of the day someone has to draw the line and make decisions and people will not always agree with the decisions. Community communication and input is defiantly needed but MAD has to make the decisions at the end of the day, it is his job after all to do that but that doesn't mean to say that the members can't have a say, which I feel they do have the opportunity to express their opinions at this time but I'm sure if a council did work it would improve this side of Habbox considerably but if it would work properly, I really have doubts with that but I'd love to see it become successful.

Totally agree Jay and nothing would be lost if it didn't work.At least we would know it didn't and move on if it was disbanded after a trial. There is nothing to fear but fear itself they say and playing safe can lead to a very stagnant situation indeed. I do think the whole reputation debate would have been avoided if the Council had been operating and although JRH is a great Admin there are many more positive Admin and management and staff who all have the best interests of Habbox and the members at heart including yourself and they know who they are including Nvr and Joshuar who really took the idea onboard.


Quoted by Superman
Actually the comment was aimed at him moving threads ^_^ it's already been explained and vouched by many that the big decisions are discussed as a group.

I think you ought to re-read this as you have misunderstood too. It was nothing to do with moving the thread it was a unilateral decision by one person to stop a very valid discussion because he had had enough 'feedback' therefore denying any other management having any imput. Totally nothing to do with moving the thread at all although I do disagree with the 'complaints/getting to hot to handle'feedback forum and that they should stay in the general feedback forum that discussion ended a long time ago :)

[jrh2002]

Totally agree Jay and nothing would be lost if it didn't work.At least we would know it didn't and move on if it was disbanded after a trial. There is nothing to fear but fear itself they say and playing safe can lead to a very stagnant situation indeed. I do think the whole reputation debate would have been avoided if the Council had been operating and although JRH is a great Admin there are many more positive Admin and management and staff who all have the best interests of Habbox and the members at heart including yourself and they know who they are including Nvr and Joshuar who really took the idea onboard.


You are right there are more positive admin and thats why if they agree with an idea that I don't I am willing to agree go along with it. I do like to be the one saying I told you so at the end of it though :o I usually speak from life experience and not just make stuff up as I go along like many of the people on here do. I am willing to offer my support and help for anything to try and make it work whatever my opinion and also am not so stubborn I can change my opinions over time.

[Superman]

All this anti-MAD stuff.. not meaning to look like I enjoy the taste of his backside but he doesn't actually do anything that bad. He's made mistakes, such as with the staff problems a few months back and of course just recently with the rep, but generally the forum works. I've never been a member of staff here let alone high management so I don't know for certain how decisions are made, but it's surely within his rights as big boss man to have a strong say in what goes on - not saying that he should disregard everyone elses opinions, just that he has a more valid claim to mandate than most. I have no problem on a personal level with any members of management and any disputes are only over opinion really.

Yeah it would be nice if everyone was involved equally, but things don't work like that and not everyone is as well-equipped to make decisions as others might be. The internet might be an escape from reality in a sense, but it still can't break the laws of human nature, which is why there needs to be some level of corruption everywhere, why not everything can be "nice", and in relation to recent events, why the reasons given for the change in reputation do not hold up. Disagree if you will (and I'm sure many will) but I'm just speaking from the viewpoint of how things really work.

[Catzsy]

All this anti-MAD stuff.. not meaning to look like I enjoy the taste of his backside but he doesn't actually do anything that bad. He's made mistakes, such as with the staff problems a few months back and of course just recently with the rep, but generally the forum works. I've never been a member of staff here let alone high management so I don't know for certain how decisions are made, but it's surely within his rights as big boss man to have a strong say in what goes on - not saying that he should disregard everyone elses opinions, just that he has a more valid claim to mandate than most. I have no problem on a personal level with any members of management and any disputes are only over opinion really.

Yeah it would be nice if everyone was involved equally, but things don't work like that and not everyone is as well-equipped to make decisions as others might be. The internet might be an escape from reality in a sense, but it still can't break the laws of human nature, which is why there needs to be some level of corruption everywhere, why not everything can be "nice", and in relation to recent events, why the reasons given for the change in reputation do not hold up. Disagree if you will (and I'm sure many will) but I'm just speaking from the viewpoint of how things really work.


You know Tom there is nothing anti-Mad. It is not a personal thing. He is the GM so is accountable and responsible for the whole forum/site therefore the responsibility and accountability of his decisions are open to question and to keep the forum happy and motivated is his job. It is some of these that are being disagreed with and his selective replies to posts not him personally. I really get fed up with no answers - Bog off is better than just letting the whole forum debate something for days in a mostly constructive way and then it just disappears into the mists of time. The Habbox Council debate for example. It is not only infuriating it is a bit disrepectful to the membership and staff who have made the effort to debate something. He does have a very onerous job I agree but he ageed to do it.

I do totally disagree though there needs to be levels of corruption anywhere
though and I think most people are intelligent enough to realise that not everything can go your way:)

[GommeInc]

If he doesn't reply to threads, he probably doesn't have the time. If he doesn't have them time, he shouldn't have the job, to be frank. We make this forum. It's one of the major things about a fansite forum; To make members and keep those members, which can be broken down to keeping them happy and making them know they are a valued part of the forum. This is starting to not become the case. We don't get told anything, not many people are happy (e.g. rules, rep system) and loads of staff are saying adminsitractors and super moderators are the important thing to this forum, because they make it work. Errrm, without members you wouldn't have those jobs :rolleyes:

[Superman]

Well if he hasn't got the time maybe he just needs to delegate more power elsewhere with regards to answering queries and stuff. Again I'm not sure what the Habbox Council thing is but I'm guessing it's a proposition for a user-based group who work with the management or something, which sounds like a good idea. Also, simply the existence of such a group would dispell these ideas of a "one man show" and should make the general populus happier even if it's crap and ineffective :P

[Mr.OSH]

Totally agree Jay and nothing would be lost if it didn't work.At least we would know it didn't and move on if it was disbanded after a trial. There is nothing to fear but fear itself they say and playing safe can lead to a very stagnant situation indeed. I do think the whole reputation debate would have been avoided if the Council had been operating and although JRH is a great Admin there are many more positive Admin and management and staff who all have the best interests of Habbox and the members at heart including yourself and they know who they are including Nvr and Joshuar who really took the idea onboard.


Exactly, if indeed things are discussed with some "council" member prior to the implementation of new features feedback can be given without a "reaction" period when things do happen. This would also mean that the management could get a very clear view of what the members want and could balance it with what they think is best which would hopefully resolve issues like this one. If it was set up in the correct way it could work very well and I am totally for helping out with it and as said even if it doesn't work it is no big deal, we will know that we'll need to look elsewhere for ideas on improvement between members and staff. I do think it should be trialled for sometime to this is it is beneficial to Habbox or not. I don't see any reason in feeling that there is no way the idea will work until it has been tested so I'm happy to go along with supporting the trialling of the council which would be nice to see.

[Sammeth.]

Exactly, if indeed things are discussed with some "council" member prior to the implementation of new features feedback can be given without a "reaction" period when things do happen. This would also mean that the management could get a very clear view of what the members want and could balance it with what they think is best which would hopefully resolve issues like this one. If it was set up in the correct way it could work very well and I am totally for helping out with it and as said even if it doesn't work it is no big deal, we will know that we'll need to look elsewhere for ideas on improvement between members and staff. I do think it should be trialled for sometime to this is it is beneficial to Habbox or not. I don't see any reason in feeling that there is no way the idea will work until it has been tested so I'm happy to go along with supporting the trialling of the council which would be nice to see.

I beleive before I resigned I remember MAD saying something about having a go at having it implicated in the new year (which is now...this year) though I may be mistaken!

[---MAD---]

I beleive before I resigned I remember MAD saying something about having a go at having it implicated in the new year (which is now...this year) though I may be mistaken!
No you are not mistaken :).

[Mr.OSH]

No you are not mistaken :).

:D Sounds good.

[Sammeth.]

:D Sounds good.
Though he never specified which part of the New Year :P It could be December for all we know :(

[Catzsy]

Though he never specified which part of the New Year :P It could be December for all we know :(

Or New Year 2010 - Sorry! No I think he has answered the question finally and all credit to him. Shame its a bit like pulling teeth to get an answer:O I will make a note in my diary to check the progress. :P

[Sammeth.]

Or New Year 2010 - Sorry! No I think he has answered the question finally and all credit to him. Shame its a bit like pulling teeth to get an answer:O I will make a note in my diary to check the progress. :P
I hope something good comes of it, as I know a lot of members will want it to succeed. And with the right people Im sure it will :)!

[Superman]

*crycryslitslit* no-one's told me what this council thing is yet lol

[Sammeth.]

*crycryslitslit* no-one's told me what this council thing is yet lol
I think Nvrspk gave the best idea, here.

http://www.habboxforum.com/showpost.php?p=3937389&postcount=326

Hey,

Apologies for this thread going so long without a management reply, I was away Saturday and spent most of Sunday night replying to my 73 PMs and sorting out VIP problems I also apologize, because I've done a lot of work today, I took the liberty of reading to about page 15 and then reading about 4 pages between 15 and 30. So I am going to outline things that you may have suggested, I am not aiming to steal your idea, I simply was for once lazy and don't have the time to read 17 pages of the same stuff.

One thing I will say, please, don't turn this into fights as I saw midway through. There is a good point in this thread, and I'd be really dissapointed if we had to shut one of the few civil discussions because some people decided that they just had to have a catfight in this thread. Accept that others may not share your views, and that doesn't mean they or you are wrong, it just means that you have different opinions, which is fine. Onto the replies.

As far as the council idea, I think its terrific. Here's my ideas about it, and I apologize once again if I mention something someone else has suggested, its simply because I sorta skipped half the thread.


Habbox Council is comprised of 21 members and an executive board of 5.

Executive Board

Management - 2
Staff - 1
Members - 1
VIPs - 1

General Council

Management - 2 + 1 department manager
Staff - 6
Members - 6
VIPs - 6


Terms - Each member of the VIP and Member council are elected for two month "terms". After that, there is another election, where members may run again, or choose to let someone else. Members who have server 3 consecutive terms must sit out at least one term before trying to run again, to get fresh ideas in.


Nominations - For members, nominations would be made in a closed forums where only admins could see the threads. The members with the top 20 votes would be looked through, and those who did not fit the criteria (see next section) would be removed. The top 5 of the remaining members would move on to general elections. Of the top 30 (eligible) members, management would also select 5 candidates. This way, there is an even match.

Requirements - Candidates for Habbox Council must

* Have less than 6 active infraction points.
* Have no more than 2 bans (temporary).
* Must have no less than 150 posts.
* Must have been a member for at least 4 months (on the account they are running.)
* Must be active and willing to listen to ideas



"Elections" - The 10 candidates, selected by admins and members, would be put to a public vote, open for 7 days. The top 6 members would move on to become the Member Council Reps for those two months.

VIPs - VIPs can nominate and vote in the normal elections, but they may also vote for and nominate VIP reps in a special VIP forum, and these VIP reps will serve as voicing the concerns of VIPs which I believe are underrepresented on the forums.

Staff - Staff will function sort of differently, the staff will nominate one staff member (other than the manager) for that term, and the manager may opt to choose one member on top of that (not required). Then all managers will submit names to (A)GMs, who will then post a poll, allowing staff members to elect their 6 representatives. The (A)GMs will also post a poll with all the managers, and people will select who will accompany the two members of management to make up the management portion of the council. The same rules with terms apply to Staff and VIPs.


Functions of the Council - To ensure that this doesn't become an "abuse of power" kind of thing, I don't believe that the council should be given the power to actually execute actions, such as to hire or fire people, or institute changes of their own accord. Otherwise people would run for the simple reason of gaining power, as opposed to representing members. The Council, therefore, would gather ideas and propose new ones, and discuss them in a closed forum, as well as taking in ideas from the Feedback Forum. Votes might be taken, however management will probably take this into account, but reserves the right to deny changes based on workability, difficulty to execute, danger to the safety of the board, limited resources, etc. etc.

"Meetings" - There would probably be a Council Drop-In sort of thing with open stickies and also council members to take ideas, and sort of be a chill-out place. Also Council members could explain what they've been discussing, in addition to a perhaps biweekly summary posted on the forums, and perhaps a monthly Meet the Council type of thing? Each would have a little part in the thread, and in the Meet the Council thing on Habbo. However the main meeting place for the council itself would be the closed forums.

Administration and Impeachment - Any council member who is banned permanantly, or for serious offences, will be removed from the council immediately, and replaced by the next runner up. Habbox Management will reserve the right to decide what serious offenses are, but if you get banned you really shouldn't be on Council, because that's just being irresponsible and unfair to your fellow members. For Staff, when they are fired they will be "impeached" from their position as the Staff Rep, and if they resign from all jobs it will also be considered a resignation from the Council. The next Runner Up will take their place. (This is why there will be more candidates for staff, we're more likely to lose someone to a resignation or a firing than to a banning.)


That's just the basic layout, but what do you guys think? I'm open to suggestions, additions, or modifications.

nvr

[nvrspk4]

ETA: 11:59 PM US EST, December 31st, 2008

[Catzsy]

ETA: 11:59 PM US EST, December 31st, 2008

Very droll NVR. :D

[myke]

that is probably c+ped from his list of replies file.

made me laugh :P


When is MAD going to quit his job? It seems he is causing more problems than he is solving juding the amount of attacks he has had.

Don't be silly, some Admininistrators don't quit if they don't have to they feed on authority.


If I see something I can comment on I will do :o I will give my own opinions and if it goes against what the majority or management think then so be it. If I see something I thinks a waste of time I will just ignore it or let the people who feel the need to reply do so. I do miss a few threads from time to time but thats because I have been struggling to get on so much over the last few weeks.

As for the Habbox council :o I do know its being sorted out and will be coming at some point :o I can't give a date because I am not the one sorting it. I must say I think it will be a total waste of time and effort. I have seen so many councils from habbo to other fansites fail. Even real councils are a total waste :o Once the people get on the council all they do in the end is whats right for themselves with the exception of a few.

Agreed



But Catzsy, that would mean members have a say on this forum and MAD wont get to be a dictator, so its not gonna happen.

Made me laugh too

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My opinion on this matter is that we're never given our say, it's almost like the administrators are 'god like figures' and we're the little people in the world, we don't get a say if it's going to rain or snow, and that's the way it is on the forum, for example the controversial issue of the reputation system, did we get a say? did we choose if it was going to snow (come into action) or rain (not come into action)? No. Don't be silly.

If we keep trying then maybe someone will open their eyes for the first time in their miserable lives and read what we're saying and realise...
'The users don't like it, we need to change or they're going to go.'

Yeah, my opinion finished. However, I do acknowledge, not all of the team are like this. Like many of you said, JRH is a respected administrator and expresses his opinion (y)

[GommeInc]

Hasn't this argument been going on for a few days now? Where is the announcement that the rules are being totally re-done? When is the rep system going back to its old state or maybe a new state which combines the two; the managements completely random idea and the members original idea. It seems we're falling on deaf ears, again...

[le harry]

I think the idea is to keep replying to our posts until we either a) give up, b) forget about it or c) leave.

[GommeInc]

I can see loads of people doing C. Even I'm tempted. If they don't take any notice, who really is at fault? This generation of management is sucky, but I doubt a campaign built on 'bring back the founder' will work somehow.

[myke]

I've already emigrated to another forum but use this for other topics, because this place is like a dictatorship..

[joshuar]

Gomme, I can tell you that the rules are being redone, they are being checked over before going out.

I can also tell you that your not falling on deaf ears, the old rep system won't be coming back, but I believe that the new system can be modified slightly.

[reindeer.]

i'm gonna leave for opionionsftw.
probably still pop on a bit but will mostly be on opinionsftw.

[Catzsy]

Gomme, I can tell you that the rules are being redone, they are being checked over before going out.

I can also tell you that your not falling on deaf ears, the old rep system won't be coming back, but I believe that the new system can be modified slightly.

Well lets hear it for Joshuar :D:eusa_clap:eusa_clap

[Ostinato]

I think the idea is to keep replying to our posts until we either a) give up, b) forget about it or c) leave.

lol let me tell you - I'm not one to give up. :)