Some changes are needed.

[hollow.]

HabboxForum used to be a great forum when it started and it was around this time last year too. I think what the forum needs is an older and a better General Manager. It is the General Manager who is really incharge of Habbox as sierk doesn't really deal with the day to day running of the site.
Having a General Manager who listens to the members makes a good forum. I think our current General Manager should be fired. I think joshuar or jrsh2002 would make General Manager.

Members here seem to get very annoyed as their opinions are just ignored. This causes many arguments between staff and members.

So to sum it all up, we need a better General Manager, with some common sense and someone who isn't arrogant. It seems the General Manager is allowed to be rude to others, but when others call him arrogant or selfish, he bans them.

Mad lacks communication skills and starts being rude or goes against anyone who is rude to him. If you proove him wrong, he just quotes the T&C that he can do what he wants.

Btw, this isn't a complaint. I want other peoples opinion on this so please don't move this thread.

[sierk]

I am sure ---MAD--- is the best General Manager that we could hope for, and I feel very lucky with him. I think there will be some changes on the forum in the coming weeks. We have always been very tolerant to letting people post their complaints and opinions on how the forum is run, but we feel now we have let it go to far. Compared with other forums we are allowing much more, on a lot of forums people who complain about the admins get banned right away.
We will probably be quicker with giving users a permanent ban who we feel have a negative attitude all the time, and only use this forum to complain, start arguments or advertise other forums, in other words are just looking for trouble all the time.

[Aflux]

I am sure ---MAD--- is the best General Manager that we could hope for, and I feel very lucky with him. I think there will be some changes on the forum in the coming weeks. We have always been very tolerant to letting people post their complaints and opinions on how the forum is run, but we feel now we have let it go to far. Compared with other forums we are allowing much more, on a lot of forums people who complain about the admins get banned right away.
We will probably be quicker with giving users a permanent ban who we feel have a negative attitude all the time, and only use this forum to complain, start arguments or advertise other forums, in other words are just looking for trouble all the time.
No.

Other forums let their users give feedback from the very beginning because that we, the forum is run the way the users want it to be run - thus, the users being happy from the start and not disrupted like this. On other forums, the members get a say in changes to the forum because if the users don't like it, the forum looses mmbers.

Now you're going to permanent ban people for advertising other forums - have you read Carl's thread?

[GommeInc]

To be honest, this forum doesn't exactly seem much different than the other forums you were talking about. If you don't want people to complain, it is best to listen to them. MAD is an OK General Manager, but he could be better. His role depends on good communication skills with the general forum public, and this is something he is failing to do and this is one of the consequences; alot of unhappy people posting complaints in the only forum that they can complain to, and because he hasn't communicated with good, honest answers (if he has communicated with people), you get more and more until people get fed up and spam the place, which is very annoying and is the wrong way around making a complaint.

As people have said, something has completely collapsed in the way Habbox Forum is handled, and it needs sorting. I would noew give a huge ramble about new systems being put into place, new catagories etc, but that would just be an essay when all you just need to do is, simply, talk to the public and have a neutral view on both sides of the story. Which you just did sierk, which is good :)
There needs to be a 'just' system put into place too, with dealing with members. The Cautioned Member Group is there for a reason. Dump people in there and discuss, in private, there needs and concerns.

[Jamesy]

good post gomme, perm banning people just for voicing a complaint seems a cowardly way to go about it. If people get so frustrated they need to spam the place then that is apretty big hint something isn't right.

edit: Hi Catzy and Jay :D

[Favourtism]

No.

Other forums let their users give feedback from the very beginning because that we, the forum is run the way the users want it to be run - thus, the users being happy from the start and not disrupted like this. On other forums, the members get a say in changes to the forum because if the users don't like it, the forum looses mmbers.

Now you're going to permanent ban people for advertising other forums - have you read Carl's thread?
Say ClubHabboForum which gets over 300members a day- If you complain a few times or badmouth an admin then you are permed full stop. Habbox are very good about this but in my opinion need to clamp down. If theres a user which complains so much surely he wont mind being permed as he doesnt need to visit habboxforum if he thinks it is so bad.


good post gomme, perm banning people just for voicing a complaint seems a cowardly way to go about it. If people get so frustrated they need to spam the place then that is apretty big hint something isn't right.

edit: Hi Catzy and Jay :D
If you got frustrated why would you need to spam? It is just going to make management ignore you because you would act like an immature little spammer. Perm Banning for a complaint happens on other forums I can garantuee you. Name one succecful Habbo forum (Apart from HxF atm) who doesnt punish/ban members who causing a rucus with loads of complaints. As I said above if they hate it much then they wont want to stick around.

[Mr.OSH]

No.

Other forums let their users give feedback from the very beginning because that we, the forum is run the way the users want it to be run - thus, the users being happy from the start and not disrupted like this. On other forums, the members get a say in changes to the forum because if the users don't like it, the forum looses mmbers.

Now you're going to permanent ban people for advertising other forums - have you read Carl's thread?

I don't think your grasping the point. You do not get banned or punished in anyway for stating you opinion, providing that you do not do it in a rude or inappropriate way. There is a big difference between stating your opinion in a mature and acceptable way and stating your opinion in a way that could offend others or is rude and immature. People who post their feedback and opinions without being rude or breaking the forum rules will be listened to and their feedback will not be removed. As for permanent banning for members who spam forums with advertisements and are generally causing disruption this will also be treat with a permanent ban so that we can stop people from filling the forums up with advertisements and ruining the experience for other members.

We never punish you for stating your opinion, you are only ever punished for being rude or breaking the forum rules. At the moment far too many people are stating their opinion in a rude and rule breaking way with is leading to problems - this is precisely why we will be clamping down on it as at the moment the situation in regards to some members behaviour is becoming ridiculous. From my perspective for whoever says ---MAD--- is an awful General Manger I believe you are mistaken. The reason ---MAD--- gets so much stick for these decisions is because when people think things are not going their way they blame whoever is in charge, I do not feel it is fair that he gets such little support from a community he is doing his best to run and is doing it well.

Before anybody says "You don't listen to us" or "MAD is the worst GM ever" think about what I have said. The management do listen to you but only if you state your opinions in a mature way. When decisions have to be made people will not always agree with the changes but there is plenty of room to negotiate and evaluate the situation, there is no need in people breaking rules. What will being rude and insulting towards staff achieve, nothing? If people would just state their opinions is an acceptable way then there would be no problem and decisions would be more likely to be considered and justified but it is impossible to do that when people are just shouting abuse at each other.

I believe that ---MAD--- is doing his job fine and that the chances that are being made are going to be good ones in the long term. People do not agree - I know but you can't disagree that the reputation system was getting out of hand? So many people were complaining about reputation and people were just giving reputation to their friends to the point where quite a number of members were simply abusing their high reputations levels causing a knock on effect and ruining the whole system. I'm all for free speech and listening to ideas and doing what is best for the members but it requires members not to break rules and simply to behave as maturely as they can. :) I apologise if I seem all "against" the members here but I do really want what is best for the members but I don't think firing the General Manager is exactly going to solve the problem? I think the issue is as much the behaviour or certain people as it is the staff. I think things need to be sorted out in a mature way not "OMG lets fire the guy in charge!".


edit: Hi Catzy and Jay :D

Heya! :)

[Favourtism]

I don't think your grasping the point. You do not get banned or punished in anyway for stating you opinion, providing that you do not do it in a rude or inappropriate way. There is a big difference between stating your opinion in a mature and acceptable way and stating your opinion in a way that could offend others or is rude and immature. People who post their feedback and opinions without being rude or breaking the forum rules will be listened to and their feedback will not be removed. As for permanent banning for members who spam forums with advertisements and are generally causing disruption this will also be treat with a permanent ban so that we can stop people from filling the forums up with advertisements and ruining the experience for other members.

We never punish you for stating your opinion, you are only ever punished for being rude or breaking the forum rules. At the moment far too many people are stating their opinion in a rude and rule breaking way with is leading to problems - this is precisely why we will be clamping down on it as at the moment the situation in regards to some members behaviour is becoming ridiculous. From my perspective for whoever says ---MAD--- is an awful General Manger I believe you are mistaken. The reason ---MAD--- gets so much stick for these decisions is because when people think things are not going their way they blame whoever is in charge, I do not feel it is fair that he gets such little support from a community he is doing his best to run and is doing it well.

Before anybody says "You don't listen to us" or "MAD is the worst GM ever" think about what I have said. The management do listen to you but only if you state your opinions in a mature way. When decisions have to be made people will not always agree with the changes but there is plenty of room to negotiate and evaluate the situation, there is no need in people breaking rules. What will being rude and insulting towards staff achieve, nothing? If people would just state their opinions is an acceptable way then there would be no problem and decisions would be more likely to be considered and justified but it is impossible to do that when people are just shouting abuse at each other.

I believe that ---MAD--- is doing his job fine and that the chances that are being made are going to be good ones in the long term. People do not agree - I know but you can't disagree that the reputation system was getting out of hand? So many people were complaining about reputation and people were just giving reputation to their friends to the point where quite a number of members were simply abusing their high reputations levels causing a knock on effect and ruining the whole system. I'm all for free speech and listening to ideas and doing what is best for the members but it requires members not to break rules and simply to behave as maturely as they can. :)



Heya! :)
Took a while to read that long essay with squinted eyes ;) but I 110percent agree with you. If you compare MAD to management on other sites/forums you will see that he is spectacular.

And No I am no I am not brown nosing. It is simply my opinion which I am entitled to.

[Ostinato]

I am sure ---MAD--- is the best General Manager that we could hope for, and I feel very lucky with him. I think there will be some changes on the forum in the coming weeks. We have always been very tolerant to letting people post their complaints and opinions on how the forum is run, but we feel now we have let it go to far. Compared with other forums we are allowing much more, on a lot of forums people who complain about the admins get banned right away.
We will probably be quicker with giving users a permanent ban who we feel have a negative attitude all the time, and only use this forum to complain, start arguments or advertise other forums, in other words are just looking for trouble all the time.

And maybe thats why other forums aren't as successful as Habbox? Because people coem here knowing this place is generally full of equality within the community and everyone is entitled to openly express their opinion.

I understand people may be advertising other forums or rude and stuff - so fair enough ban them. But if people are able to make a well structured and informative post then I see no reason why they should be banned just because they may be criticising your work...

In my opinion this forum has went down hill a lot and it is no longer a place of democracy and free speech. Sierk has made it clear that we are nwo goign to have to watch what we all say as basically if you speak bad of their work we wioll be banned quicker - erm great management mate...

I agree that MAD Has brought a lot to Habbox and there is no denying he is a hard worker. However, he enforces rules upon this community which are unwanted and unnecessary. I do not understand why he has often felt the need to bring in rules which the public clearly do not want (with 4 out of 5 users rejecting the reputation changes).

Finally - if you are going to bring in changed for us then I hope they might actually begin to start applying to yourselves. The past few days I have questioned continuously why admins have been exempt from this 'brilliant new rep change' which they proposed and am yet to be given any form of an answer.

[Jamesy]

I don't think your grasping the point. You do not get banned or punished in anyway for stating you opinion, providing that you do not do it in a rude or inappropriate way. There is a big difference between stating your opinion in a mature and acceptable way and stating your opinion in a way that could offend others or is rude and immature. People who post their feedback and opinions without being rude or breaking the forum rules will be listened to and their feedback will not be removed. As for permanent banning for members who spam forums with advertisements and are generally causing disruption this will also be treat with a permanent ban so that we can stop people from filling the forums up with advertisements and ruining the experience for other members.

We never punish you for stating your opinion, you are only ever punished for being rude or breaking the forum rules. At the moment far too many people are stating their opinion in a rude and rule breaking way with is leading to problems - this is precisely why we will be clamping down on it as at the moment the situation in regards to some members behaviour is becoming ridiculous. From my perspective for whoever says ---MAD--- is an awful General Manger I believe you are mistaken. The reason ---MAD--- gets so much stick for these decisions is because when people think things are not going their way they blame whoever is in charge, I do not feel it is fair that he gets such little support from a community he is doing his best to run and is doing it well.

Before anybody says "You don't listen to us" or "MAD is the worst GM ever" think about what I have said. The management do listen to you but only if you state your opinions in a mature way. When decisions have to be made people will not always agree with the changes but there is plenty of room to negotiate and evaluate the situation, there is no need in people breaking rules. What will being rude and insulting towards staff achieve, nothing? If people would just state their opinions is an acceptable way then there would be no problem and decisions would be more likely to be considered and justified but it is impossible to do that when people are just shouting abuse at each other.

I believe that ---MAD--- is doing his job fine and that the chances that are being made are going to be good ones in the long term. People do not agree - I know but you can't disagree that the reputation system was getting out of hand? So many people were complaining about reputation and people were just giving reputation to their friends to the point where quite a number of members were simply abusing their high reputations levels causing a knock on effect and ruining the whole system. I'm all for free speech and listening to ideas and doing what is best for the members but it requires members not to break rules and simply to behave as maturely as they can. :)

I agree the reputation fiasco we a bit pathetic with banners and Habbo riots :rolleyes:

And that people who spam are idiots and ruin it for the rest of us who like to complain a lot, and infact serve no purpose but to give management more reasons to get annoyed.

But MAD's biggest problem is that he doesn't come across as very friendly, he talks down to you with very, almost robotic phrases, that don't come across with the right feeling. If MAD talked to us a little bit more like people, as opposed to forum members (yes I know we are) he probably would recieve less abuse.




And maybe thats why other forums aren't as successful as Habbox? Because people coem here knowing this place is generally full of equality within the community and everyone is entitled to openly express their opinion.

I understand people may be advertising other forums or rude and stuff - so fair enough ban them. But if people are able to make a well structured and informative post then I see no reason why they should be banned just because they may be criticising your work...

In my opinion this forum has went down hill a lot and it is no longer a place of democracy and free speech. Sierk has made it clear that we are nwo goign to have to watch what we all say as basically if you speak bad of their work we wioll be banned quicker - erm great management mate...

I agree that MAD Has brought a lot to Habbox and there is no denying he is a hard worker. However, he enforces rules upon this community which are unwanted and unnecessary. I do not understand why he has often felt the need to bring in rules which the public clearly do not want (with 4 out of 5 users rejecting the reputation changes).

Finally - if you are going to bring in changed for us then I hope they might actually begin to start applying to yourselves. The past few days I have questioned continuously why admins have been exempt from this 'brilliant new rep change' which they proposed and am yet to be given any form of an answer.

Another good post as ever, and yes the petty rules are very annoying. it's nice and well being friendly and mature, but if we want to have a laugh and joke around on a teen forum pretty much we should be allowed, just add something to the ToS that says you accept there may be things you don't want. Or add an older members forum, perhaps remove some others as I think there are too many with too few members to be perfectly honest.

[Mr.OSH]

Took a while to read that long essay with squinted eyes ;) but I 110percent agree with you. If you compare MAD to management on other sites/forums you will see that he is spectacular.

And No I am no I am not brown nosing. It is simply my opinion which I am entitled to.

I think the issue is it isn't always easy to see how much effort people are putting in and it is so easy just to blame the person in charge when things don't go the way you would like them too even though these decisions are joint decisions and are taken into consideration for time. MAD wouldn't be the general manager if he made spur of the moment decisions without consulting others. Also the changes to the reputation system required planning for AGM's and administrators so really blaming MAD isn't exactly justified. Anyway I do think the behaviour of some members is getting a bit silly.

On another note, sorry about my writing, I like size 1 font. :P

[GommeInc]

I agree the reputation fiasco we a bit pathetic with banners and Habbo riots :rolleyes:

And that people who spam are idiots and ruin it for the rest of us who like to complain a lot, and infact serve no purpose but to give management more reasons to get annoyed.

But MAD's biggest problem is that he doesn't come across as very friendly, he talks down to you with very, almost robotic phrases, that don't come across with the right feeling. If MAD talked to us a little bit more like people, as opposed to forum members (yes I know we are) he probably would recieve less abuse.
The bit in bold changed to 'people who he believes are stupid' then remove the brackets and the text inside them.

[Favourtism]

I agree the reputation fiasco we a bit pathetic with banners and Habbo riots :rolleyes:

And that people who spam are idiots and ruin it for the rest of us who like to complain a lot, and infact serve no purpose but to give management more reasons to get annoyed.

But MAD's biggest problem is that he doesn't come across as very friendly, he talks down to you with very, almost robotic phrases, that don't come across with the right feeling. If MAD talked to us a little bit more like people, as opposed to forum members (yes I know we are) he probably would recieve less abuse.
He is just trying to be proffessional. It doesn't look to good if:

YUR GM SPEKS LIKE DIS INNIT LOLZ. I AM MA DAND RUN TEH HABBX, GIVE ME UR CHEESE

Although I see where your coming from. Other Gms and a more relaxed approach and everyone loves them depsite them having just as much say in decisions as Mad. Take nvr and joshuar and Jrh as an example.

[GommeInc]

I think the issue is it isn't always easy to see how much effort people are putting in and it is so easy just to blame the person in charge when things don't go the way you would like them too even though these decisions are joint decisions and are taken into consideration for time. MAD wouldn't be the general manager if he made spur of the moment decisions without consulting others. Also the changes to the reputation system required planning for AGM's and administrators so really blaming MAD isn't exactly justified. Anyway I do think the behaviour of some members is getting a bit silly.

On another note, sorry about my writing, I like size 1 font. :P
As GM, it is his job to take the blame, otherwise he would have the title as role leader, telling people what to do or better yet, content manager. If he can't take the criticism, there is a perfectly good door to walk out of and give the title of GM to someone who knows how to keep a wide audience happy...


He is just trying to be proffessional. It doesn't look to good if:

YUR GM SPEKS LIKE DIS INNIT LOLZ. I AM MA DAND RUN TEH HABBX, GIVE ME UR CHEESE

Although I see where your coming from. Other Gms and a more relaxed approach and everyone loves them depsite them having just as much say in decisions as Mad. Take nvr and joshuar and Jrh as an example.
Actually, being professional is being down to earth and talking like a person. Talking like a robot is being an automatic reply unit :rolleyes:

[Jamesy]

He is just trying to be proffessional. It doesn't look to good if:

YUR GM SPEKS LIKE DIS INNIT LOLZ. I AM MA DAND RUN TEH HABBX, GIVE ME UR CHEESE

Although I see where your coming from. Other Gms and a more relaxed approach and everyone loves them depsite them having just as much say in decisions as Mad. Take nvr and joshuar and Jrh as an example.

Only spammers talk like that on here, there's staying professional and being downright inhuman. He is the latter. It would be nice if he could be friendly, as opposed to seeming like he has a large object up a dark place.

[Mr.OSH]

As GM, it is his job to take the blame, otherwise he would have the title as role leader, telling people what to do or better yet, content manager. If he can't take the criticism, there is a perfectly good door to walk out of and give the title of GM to someone who knows how to keep a wide audience happy...

When things go badly wrong then I'm sure MAD would take the blame but there is simply nothing to take the blame for as he has carried about decisions with the AGM's that they all feel in the long run will benefit the forum. There are enough people who see MAD's efforts who feel he is more than capable of running the community and that is why he got the job in the first place. People just put the blame for things they don't agree with on him and if he went by everyone's feelings the forum would be a mess. Of course listening to the public is of high importance but it is also very important to draw the line and made decisions and not let everyones opinions effect you when a decision has to be made. The reputation system couldn't be left the way it was and MAD and the AGM's made a decision that they feel will resolve the problem and will make the community better in the long run. By making these decisions that shows good management in itself. The (A)GM's do and should listen to the forum member's ideas but there always has to be someone to draw the line and when they do there will always be some who do not agree with the decisions being made.

[Mentor]

Say ClubHabboForum which gets over 300members a day- If you complain a few times or badmouth an admin then you are permed full stop. Habbox are very good about this but in my opinion need to clamp down. If theres a user which complains so much surely he wont mind being permed as he doesnt need to visit habboxforum if he thinks it is so bad.
Or, a less dense person may put 2 and 2 together and notice why people complain instead of leaving. Its because the like habbox. Im one of those people, i like habbox, its one of my favourite forums. Thats WHY, i complain when i think there's something wrong, and suggest things which i think it could need. Because doing so i can help to improve the community and make it better.
If i didnt like habbox, i wouldn't waste my time doing so now would i...
Clubhabboforum for instance, i dont give a danm about so really aint gonna both complaining there

Just wanted to clear that bit up

[Catzsy]

[QUOTE=Favourtism;4320937]Say ClubHabboForum which gets over 300members a day- If you complain a few times or badmouth an admin then you are permed full stop. Habbox are very good about this but in my opinion need to clamp down. If theres a user which complains so much surely he wont mind being permed as he doesnt need to visit habboxforum if he thinks it is so bad.

I have just checked the ClubHabbo rules and they are virtually the same as here. There is nothing anywhere that says if you complain a few times that you receieve a perm ban. Their rules also that members are entitled to state their opinions.

[Jamesy]

Or, a less dense person may put 2 and 2 together and notice why people complain instead of leaving. Its because the like habbox. Im one of those people, i like habbox, its one of my favourite forums. Thats WHY, i complain when i think there's something wrong, and suggest things which i think it could need. Because doing so i can help to improve the community and make it better.
If i didnt like habbox, i wouldn't waste my time doing so now would i...
Clubhabboforum for instance, i dont give a danm about so really aint gonna both complaining there

Just wanted to clear that bit up

Exactly, if nobody criticized anything (constructivly) we would have gotten nowhere, if someone hadn't said, you know, riding horses sucks lets find something better and went and made the car.

You can't say you can't do this if you don't like it go **** yourself because you are just telling the members to go away.


[QUOTE=Favourtism;4320937]Say ClubHabboForum which gets over 300members a day- If you complain a few times or badmouth an admin then you are permed full stop. Habbox are very good about this but in my opinion need to clamp down. If theres a user which complains so much surely he wont mind being permed as he doesnt need to visit habboxforum if he thinks it is so bad.

I have just checked the ClubHabbo rules and they are virtually the same as here. There is nothing anywhere that says if you complain a few times that you receieve a perm ban. Their rules also that members are entitled to state their opinions.

You can go on aboust other forums as much as you like favour, but this is habbox so they aren't really relevant.

[GommeInc]

When things go badly wrong then I'm sure MAD would take the blame but there is simply nothing to take the blame for as he has carried about decisions with the AGM's that they all feel in the long run will benefit the forum. There are enough people who see MAD's efforts who feel he is more than capable of running the community and that is why he got the job in the first place. People just put the blame for things they don't agree with on him and if he went by everyone's feelings the forum would be a mess. Of course listening to the public is of high importance but it is also very important to draw the line and made decisions and not let everyones opinions effect you when a decision has to be made. The reputation system couldn't be left the way it was and MAD and the AGM's made a decision that they feel will resolve the problem and will make the community better in the long run. By making these decisions that shows good management in itself. The (A)GM's do and should listen to the forum member's ideas but there always has to be someone to draw the line and when they do there will always be some who do not agree with the decisions being made.
Then why go with any decisions and just leave the forum as it is, he doesn't HAVE to touch anything. The rules didn't need about 10 add-ons, infact you can tell there used to be rules until someone came along and decided to add new bits and leave the old bits, so you get aload of contradictory words and just a mess in general. Although I've heard the rules are being changed, and hopefully all the daft ones I noted down have been removed. Granted decisions are meant to be made by the GM and AGMs, but you need to shed some light on proposed ideas incase a few clever members point out a proble. Afterall, who knows the forum best than the members? So if the new rule or featurew comes into play, you can laugh at the members and say "well you decided it" and if the disagreement carries on, put the feature back to the public vote.

[Mr.OSH]

Or, a less dense person may put 2 and 2 together and notice why people complain instead of leaving. Its because the like habbox. Im one of those people, i like habbox, its one of my favourite forums. Thats WHY, i complain when i think there's something wrong, and suggest things which i think it could need. Because doing so i can help to improve the community and make it better.
If i didnt like habbox, i wouldn't waste my time doing so now would i...
Clubhabboforum for instance, i dont give a danm about so really aint gonna both complaining there

Just wanted to clear that bit up

I understand what you are saying and complains are listen too and considered however there are two things to take into account [this is not aimed at you Carl :P]:

1) Do not break rules or be abusive

2) Management cannot just jump into decisions because that is what one or two members want. Of course if enough members want something to happen it will be strongly considered and taken into accounts but at the end of the day the management's job is to make decisions that they feel are right on the forum but I agree listening to the free speech of members is also very important and considering their arguments and complaints.




I have just checked the ClubHabbo rules and they are virtually the same as here. There is nothing anywhere that says if you complain a few times that you receieve a perm ban. Their rules also that members are entitled to state their opinions.

Yes. Habbox does allow people to state their opinions but only if it is done is a mature way that is not rude or breaks other forum rules. No one gets a permanent ban for stating their opinion. People only ever get permanent bans if they state their opinion in a way that is unacceptable or disruptive. As I've said I'm all for what is best for Habbox and the speech and complains of members I feel is very important but rudeness and or causing disruption when stating opinions is simply not acceptable. People can easily state their opinions in a mature and well mannered way and it will be listen to. :)

[GommeInc]

Yes. Habbox does allow people to state their opinions but only if it is done is a mature way that is not rude or breaks other forum rules. No one gets a permanent ban for stating their opinion. People only ever get permanent bans if they state their opinion in a way that is unacceptable or disruptive. As I've said I'm all for what is best for Habbox and the speech and complains of members I feel is very important but rudeness and or causing disruption when stating opinions is simply not acceptable. People can easily state their opinions in a mature and well mannered way and it will be listen to. :)
Well how do you expect some people to act? Not being listened to will start off a ranting argument with swearing... No matter how mature or immature. A simple PM or a post saying "all ideas have been taken into consideration and forwarded to the management" would be a good idea. All decisions can be argued, every community or nation puts forward rules and ideas which are then changed in a few years when the public are disagreeing, then you put it to the vote. Habbox can be the same. Habbox Forum is a big enough community to have an announcement telling everyone that a new idea is coming into play, what do you think? It warns the members that you've got ideas and if they want to have a say, they can either PM or make a thead. Then the leader would say "we shall trial it" rather than have it immediate and permanent. If people disaree after the trial, see what others think.

[Aflux]

I don't think your grasping the point.[/quote]

I think I grasped Sierk's point;
[quote]or advertise other forumsNote, he never exclaimed the rude or inappropriate way that the users choose to do so.

If the forum listened to it's users then the forum would be a better place for all of us - after all, without the users, there's no community, and a forum is a community - a community that needs to work together to make the place better for all of us.

Permenant banning people for voicing their opinion isn't the way to go about, nor is banning someone for complaining [although some people, yes, because they just complain for the hell of it] as some complaints can make the forum community better [if taken forward].

[e5]

This forum (no offence) needs to listen to it's members opinions. If you didn't have us, what would you mange? Nothing or noone. I think you ought to start listening to users opinions, instead of hiding in your admin section discussing and probably ******** about other users. There should be an open forum where all users can post their opinions on what we want, because if we all get what we want, and the majority agree, more members will come to the forum and the forum will work alot more peacefully and well. I agree in the majority of the posts, and to be honest nearly all posts they you shoud listen to our opinions. The good way that the opinions plan will work is because when someone suggests an idea, the rest of the forum can reply either agreeing or disagreeing, and if the majority agree then it must be a good idea, as I know aswell as you know there are some very smart users on here who have some great ideas that they can share with the forum. Perm banning users for voiceing their opinions IS the coward way out and it makes you look soft and weak because you can't handle the fact other people are voicing their opinons over yours. If the forum continues to run the way it is I think you will lose even more members and the forum will eventually die down and noone will use it, (talking few years, but still). People love this forum and come on as the users post good posts from habbo to runescape to flight simulator, but when the forum is running the way they like, they get put off and decide to stop coming on. When I was banned on Elliott, permanantly - You took the cowardly way out because you didn't like the fact that I was voicing my opinion, so you decided to ban, the reason I cannot state but is fairly obvious. Stating my opinion is not rule breaking.

[sierk1]

Say ClubHabboForum which gets over 300members a day- If you complain a few times or badmouth an admin then you are permed full stop. Habbox are very good about this but in my opinion need to clamp down. If theres a user which complains so much surely he wont mind being permed as he doesnt need to visit habboxforum if he thinks it is so bad.


If you got frustrated why would you need to spam? It is just going to make management ignore you because you would act like an immature little spammer. Perm Banning for a complaint happens on other forums I can garantuee you. Name one succecful Habbo forum (Apart from HxF atm) who doesnt punish/ban members who causing a rucus with loads of complaints. As I said above if they hate it much then they wont want to stick around.

I think this posts has some very good points, exactly what I also think.

And to be clear, we will never ban people because they make a sensible complaint about something, and for the rest use the forum normally. Only the members that are continuously looking for trouble and only use this forum to complain or be rude to management will be banned faster.

[Aflux]

If all the members who had flaws with Habbox left instead of complained/put their point across, you'd have a community of about 3 members.

For once, you should listen to the members of the community because they make it so.

[GommeInc]

I think this posts has some very good points, exactly what I also think.

And to be clear, we will never ban people because they make a sensible complaint about something, and for the rest use the forum normally. Only the members that are continuously looking for trouble and only use this forum to complain or be rude to management will be banned faster.
Then you clearly didn't read Mentors post... People complain about how Habbox is run becuase they like it (or used to like it in some cases).

[Aflux]

Then you clearly didn't read Mentors post... People complain about how Habbox is run becuase they like it (or used to like it in some cases).
Here's to selective reading :P

[fweggy]

The part of this that agree with, is that we do need a general manager who listens to the members. The customer is always right, and it will only work, if the forum does the best for its members, and does what its members want.

[Mr.OSH]

The part of this that agree with, is that we do need a general manager who listens to the members. The customer is always right, and it will only work, if the forum does the best for its members, and does what its members want.

Just out of interest what is it that the "customer" in general wants doing that the management are ignoring or have not justified their reasons for the idea not being worth while. I can't see any ideas that have not be answered or listen to by the management, if there is any I'd like you to point them out because in some respects I'm finding it hard to see where people are being ignored. In terms of the reputation issue management have listen, responded and changed the system to a more suitable setting and I don't see where they are not listening in all honestly. I would like to see things that are not being listened too or management has not replied too. People who post maturely and with constructive complains are always listened too. Those who are rude or break forum rules as a way to "rebel" or "state their opinions" will simply be punished.

[GommeInc]

Just out of interest what is it that the "customer" in general wants doing that the management are ignoring or have not justified their reasons for the idea not being worth while. I can't see any ideas that have not be answered or listen to by the management, if there is any I'd like you to point them out because in some respects I'm finding it hard to see where people are being ignored. In terms of the reputation issue management have listen, responded and changed the system to a more suitable setting and I don't see where they are not listening in all honestly. I would like to see things that are not being listened too or management has not replied too. People who post maturely and with constructive complains are always listened too. Those who are rude or break forum rules as a way to "rebel" or "state their opinions" will simply be punished.
This stories seems to have changed. Someone said that the rep system was discussed between GM and AGMs. There was no mention of members :S Unless you mean the posts in report rep thread, which aren't actually complaining about the system, just the rep they got.

[Mr.OSH]

This stories seems to have changed. Someone said that the rep system was discussed between GM and AGMs. There was no mention of members :S Unless you mean the posts in report rep thread, which aren't actually complaining about the system, just the rep they got.

You were talking about listening to members opinions. The opinions on the reputation system were of those who felt cheated by it and felt like others were gaining unfairly and those who reputation removed etc. The decision was made between the management and there has been no alternative suggested other than to remove reputation entirely or put it back to the old system which are two things that really will not work and cannot be done. All feedback is listened to and considered with management replying stating their feelings on matters. If there is any suggestions that has not been listened too or considered as I've said I'd like to see them. You can't expect everything that is suggested to happen however I can assure you that any suggestions/feedback that is posted in a mature way is taken seriously and considered by management. :)

[GommeInc]

You were talking about listening to members opinions. The opinions on the reputation system were of those who felt cheated by it and felt like others were gaining unfairly and those who reputation removed etc. The decision was made between the management and there has been no alternative suggested other than to remove reputation entirely or put it back to the old system which are two things that really will not work and cannot be done. All feedback is listened to and considered with management replying stating their feelings on matters. If there is any suggestions that has not been listened too or considered as I've said I'd like to see them. You can't expect everything that is suggested to happen however I can assure you that any suggestions/feedback that is posted in a mature way is taken seriously and considered by management. :)
So only a minority cared? Because a majority weren't really that fussed... Also, you need to make sure people know it has been taken into account, because no one really knows what has been taken into account other than the rules getting changed.

[Mr.OSH]

So only a minority cared? Because a majority weren't really that fussed... Also, you need to make sure people know it has been taken into account, because no one really knows what has been taken into account other than the rules getting changed.

If a member of the management is replying to the threads explaining why it is or is not possible or why it is or is not a good idea surely this shows that they have considered the suggestions and comments?

[Niall!]

I am sure ---MAD--- is the best General Manager that we could hope for, and I feel very lucky with him. I think there will be some changes on the forum in the coming weeks. We have always been very tolerant to letting people post their complaints and opinions on how the forum is run, but we feel now we have let it go to far. Compared with other forums we are allowing much more, on a lot of forums people who complain about the admins get banned right away.
We will probably be quicker with giving users a permanent ban who we feel have a negative attitude all the time, and only use this forum to complain, start arguments or advertise other forums, in other words are just looking for trouble all the time.

NO.
nvrspk4 should be GM, he listens to people, unlike ---MAD--- who is some sort of robot.

[GommeInc]

If a member of the management is replying to the threads explaining why it is or is not possible or why it is or is not a good idea surely this shows that they have considered the suggestions and comments?
There's a difference between replying to a thread and taking ideas into consideration. The only link is when you say you've said you've taken the thoughts and will talk about them in the next meeting or whatever you do now ;) Joshuar has attmpeted making comments, but he has limited power because MAD has it all.

[JackHb]

All of this talk about "mad should be fired" and "mad doesnt do a good job" etc.. It is said about every staff who is at a high up position, it is like the prime minister. Some people love him some people hate him and want him out. Your not all going to like MAD and some of you may hate him all the way through his GM position. Its not rare for that to happen.
If you have a problem with MAD then speak to Sierk or an AGM. And if you have a problem with a AGM go to MAD or Sierk. Etc. Not **** that member out on 100 posts until you wind yourself up so much you end up getting banned.

And all of this "Habbox bans you for your opinion" what a pile of rubbish, as Habbox has always said from the start, they will not ban you for giving your opinion, they will ban you when you start getting abusive and being rude towards staff.
If you expect to be listened to then make a mature thread with no swearing and stay calm and get to your point.
I always find PM'ing the high up staff gets things done quicker and your point listend to.

With the rep thing - It is not going to END Habbox, some of you who have been here for ages such as mentor and gommeinc will remember bigger chaos than this.

Some of you are rude to staff but soon as staff give you a little bit of rudeness back and give you what your giving them you go and cry.

I have been on here more recently as I have been ill so not in work or out, so I have noticed some of the problems.
I could make a list of problems I have noticed, little things that could be changed to make it more like it used to be like a community.
I have told Sierk and Mad what I think is wrong, some of you need to learn how to take a mature approach at things.

[Mr.OSH]

There's a difference between replying to a thread and taking ideas into consideration. The only link is when you say you've said you've taken the thoughts and will talk about them in the next meeting or whatever you do now ;) Joshuar has attmpeted making comments, but he has limited power because MAD has it all.

Well ideas are taking into consideration by the management when posted however it not up to me how this is expressed but I'm quite sure they are taken into consideration as we often see changes that have been influenced by feedback from members. However I don't think that it is necessary that every thread posted in here has a member of the management say "this has been taken into consideration". The whole point of this forum is feedback therefore anything posted here that is mature will definitely be looked into and considered. :)

[Ostinato]

Anyone else notice sierk only posts in response to the posts that agree with his point of view?

He's yet to actually further comment upon anyone else's posts or views which clearly damn his and mads decisions.

A bit too selective for my liking - oh wait, you might ban me for that.

[le harry]

I think this posts has some very good points, exactly what I also think.

And to be clear, we will never ban people because they make a sensible complaint about something, and for the rest use the forum normally. Only the members that are continuously looking for trouble and only use this forum to complain or be rude to management will be banned faster.

Ugh, don't encourage him.

[reindeer.]

Say ClubHabboForum which gets over 300members a day- If you complain a few times or badmouth an admin then you are permed full stop. Habbox are very good about this but in my opinion need to clamp down. If theres a user which complains so much surely he wont mind being permed as he doesnt need to visit habboxforum if he thinks it is so bad.


If you got frustrated why would you need to spam? It is just going to make management ignore you because you would act like an immature little spammer. Perm Banning for a complaint happens on other forums I can garantuee you. Name one succecful Habbo forum (Apart from HxF atm) who doesnt punish/ban members who causing a rucus with loads of complaints. As I said above if they hate it much then they wont want to stick around.
*guarantee
*successful
*raucus

[GommeInc]

All of this talk about "mad should be fired" and "mad doesnt do a good job" etc.. It is said about every staff who is at a high up position, it is like the prime minister. Some people love him some people hate him and want him out. Your not all going to like MAD and some of you may hate him all the way through his GM position. Its not rare for that to happen.
If you have a problem with MAD then speak to Sierk or an AGM. And if you have a problem with a AGM go to MAD or Sierk. Etc. Not **** that member out on 100 posts until you wind yourself up so much you end up getting banned.

And all of this "Habbox bans you for your opinion" what a pile of rubbish, as Habbox has always said from the start, they will not ban you for giving your opinion, they will ban you when you start getting abusive and being rude towards staff.
Hmmm, strange, I don't remember seeing swear words in Mizki's speech when she got banned for stating her opinion on the site she brought to life :rolleyes:

Also, you can't complain about a GM or AGM, because nothing would be done. You would be wasting time sending a PM "/


With the rep thing - It is not going to END Habbox, some of you who have been here for ages such as mentor and gommeinc will remember bigger chaos than this.
Mmhmm, true, firing the Habbox Founder and banning her was probably the lowest thing that's ever happened on this forum. What is the point is that the rep system was not discussed about with members, which would of been the ones effected by it and are the ones effected by it. It's the communication issue which is a problem, you could actually make a thread in the 'Questions and Answers' forum and get a good reply from higher management, now you don't so much.


Some of you are rude to staff but soon as staff give you a little bit of rudeness back and give you what your giving them you go and cry.
They swear back by the looks of it :P

[Catzsy]

All of this talk about "mad should be fired" and "mad doesnt do a good job" etc.. It is said about every staff who is at a high up position, it is like the prime minister. Some people love him some people hate him and want him out. Your not all going to like MAD and some of you may hate him all the way through his GM position. Its not rare for that to happen.

Mad does a very good job in some areas. I don't think he should be fired.
However, he does seem to take it all on himself which must cause him a great deal of stress, indeed. I have never seen so many management at Habbox Forum. Perhaps, he should really be taking it a bit more easy
and empowering what is on the whole a very strong team. Silence from a lot of them during this time about his aptitudes in some areas is a strong indicator.
I have now doubt Sierk is very happy with him - he is after all one of the most dedicated and committed staff ever on Habbox I would think. Nobody is good at everything so and his weaknesses in some areas show and this is where he should exploit the talents of his team whose public relations
ad communication skills are excellent. Otherwise there is really little point in them being AGMs or Forum Managers.


And all of this "Habbox bans you for your opinion" what a pile of rubbish, as Habbox has always said from the start, they will not ban you for giving your opinion, they will ban you when you start getting abusive and being rude towards staff.

Yes I think that is correct - no point getting personal with people but I await the new rules to see what has changed.

If you expect to be listened to then make a mature thread with no swearing and stay calm and get to your point.
I always find PM'ing the high up staff gets things done quicker and your point listend to.

Jack your pms will always be answered - this is not necessarily true for
other members. Also there is a feedback forum and a complaints section for this so why have those if people are not allowed to say what they think?
Some of you are rude to staff but soon as staff give you a little bit of rudeness back and give you what your giving them you go and cry.

There is absolutely no excuse for staff to be rude to members in my opinion
- they of all people should abide by the rules and are essentially breaking them for doing so and should be the mature ones.

I have been on here more recently as I have been ill so not in work or out, so I have noticed some of the problems.
I could make a list of problems I have noticed, little things that could be changed to make it more like it used to be like a community.
I have told Sierk and Mad what I think is wrong, some of you need to learn how to take a mature approach at things.

So you do feel that there are problems as well - I totally agree we need to get it back to a Community. Nothing in life is black and white - the management are not all right and neither are the members. The key is communication and the members and staff feeling that they are valued and not just a pixel.

[dannyisnotamazing]

Took a while to read that long essay with squinted eyes ;) but I 110percent agree with you. If you compare MAD to management on other sites/forums you will see that he is spectacular.

And No I am no I am not brown nosing. It is simply my opinion which I am entitled to.

brown noser

[e5]

brown noser
lol

This forum (no offence) needs to listen to it's members opinions. If you didn't have us, what would you mange? Nothing or noone. I think you ought to start listening to users opinions, instead of hiding in your admin section discussing and probably ******** about other users. There should be an open forum where all users can post their opinions on what we want, because if we all get what we want, and the majority agree, more members will come to the forum and the forum will work alot more peacefully and well. I agree in the majority of the posts, and to be honest nearly all posts they you shoud listen to our opinions. The good way that the opinions plan will work is because when someone suggests an idea, the rest of the forum can reply either agreeing or disagreeing, and if the majority agree then it must be a good idea, as I know aswell as you know there are some very smart users on here who have some great ideas that they can share with the forum. Perm banning users for voiceing their opinions IS the coward way out and it makes you look soft and weak because you can't handle the fact other people are voicing their opinons over yours. If the forum continues to run the way it is I think you will lose even more members and the forum will eventually die down and noone will use it, (talking few years, but still). People love this forum and come on as the users post good posts from habbo to runescape to flight simulator, but when the forum is running the way they like, they get put off and decide to stop coming on. When I was banned on Elliott, permanantly - You took the cowardly way out because you didn't like the fact that I was voicing my opinion, so you decided to ban, the reason I cannot state but is fairly obvious. Stating my opinion is not rule breaking.
:eusa_whis

[le harry]

lol

:eusa_whis

Big Wall of Text mangles you for 432 piercing damage.

[reindeer.]

what have you banned him for you prat?

[hallow..]

lol i was banned for disrupting the forum or some crap.

[Favourtism]

[quote=Favourtism;4320937]Say ClubHabboForum which gets over 300members a day- If you complain a few times or badmouth an admin then you are permed full stop. Habbox are very good about this but in my opinion need to clamp down. If theres a user which complains so much surely he wont mind being permed as he doesnt need to visit habboxforum if he thinks it is so bad.

I have just checked the ClubHabbo rules and they are virtually the same as here. There is nothing anywhere that says if you complain a few times that you receieve a perm ban. Their rules also that members are entitled to state their opinions.
It doesnt say in their rules but beleive me it does.


I think this posts has some very good points, exactly what I also think.

And to be clear, we will never ban people because they make a sensible complaint about something, and for the rest use the forum normally. Only the members that are continuously looking for trouble and only use this forum to complain or be rude to management will be banned faster.
People seem to think that one nicely presented complaint. As you said this is wrong.


*guarantee
*successful
*raucus
I was in a hurry which is why my spelling wasn't immaculate =]


brown noser
You are complaining because you cannot express your views yet when I say mine your input is that. I sense Hypocrites.


lol

:eusa_whis
What a fantastic contribution to the thread.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I am sure ---MAD--- is the best General Manager that we could hope for, and I feel very lucky with him. I think there will be some changes on the forum in the coming weeks. We have always been very tolerant to letting people post their complaints and opinions on how the forum is run, but we feel now we have let it go to far. Compared with other forums we are allowing much more, on a lot of forums people who complain about the admins get banned right away.
We will probably be quicker with giving users a permanent ban who we feel have a negative attitude all the time, and only use this forum to complain, start arguments or advertise other forums, in other words are just looking for trouble all the time.

So really what your trying to say is..

Anyone who is negative/makes complaints will be banned because Management can't take being critisied. Technically you could ban all the people whom disagree with your reputation changes? You didn't listen to them and kept closing/hiding their posts so what's to stop you banning them because they are being 'negative' :S

[Jam]

So really what your trying to say is..

Anyone who is negative/makes complaints will be banned because Management can't take being critisied. Technically you could ban all the people whom disagree with your reputation changes? You didn't listen to them and kept closing/hiding their posts so what's to stop you banning them because they are being 'negative' :S

I agree. So now you can ban all them and watch your lovely little active members count slowly dwindle.

[GommeInc]

I agree. So now you can ban all them and watch your lovely little active members count slowly dwindle.
That new rule is incredibly stupid, I agree. Before that rule people were complaing about unreasonable bans, now they're even more reasonable. It seems management have shown us some light on this matter, and have indirectly admitted their corruptive state. There seems to be more corruption happening on the forum as each week goes by. The Forum will not be a happier place banning members who care about their community.