In regards to this new banning thing.

[Niall!]

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=441417

It mentions advertising other forums and saying they are better than this forum can now get you banned? Do I sense something called him lemme see..

Jealousy? I agree that if a user is flooding this forum all the time then they should be banned, but being banned for calling this forum a peice of crap compared to others? That's unfair.

[-:Undertaker:-]

With a rule like that, this forum is becoming crap.

[Mr.Sam]

I don't think so, I'm all for the new rules;

About the ban change I think it's good, However Because you get a lot of idiotic teens aged 11-13 on the forum they think as long as there is no rule about it they are fine - and they will push the rules as far as they can and have a fit once they are banned because they are "protected" under the rules, so they try to push the rules to the limit and get unbanned because of the rules - they need to know that you guys run the forum you can ban them for being idiots and other reasons. if people keep getting unbanned after something not covered in the rules they will think that they can do the same.


@Undertaker: Why shouldn't people be punished for advertising other forums and websites in the obviously wrong section? There is a section for advertising there is no need for people to make threads like

"JOIN THIS WEBSITE"

"JOIN THIS SITE IT IS BETTER WWW.GOOGLE.COM"
in discuss anything it is an obvious attempt to gain popularity which habbox has.
If they were to stick to the correct forums it would be fine.

[GommeInc]

It's called jealousy, fear and no personal preference ;)

[Dopamine]

This forum has been crap for ages now.

[jrh2002]

There is nothing wrong to say you prefer other forums, Say another forum is better or even use another forum or 50 :)

It really bugs me when theres users who say how crap it is and they still keep coming back :s If its so crap then dont use it :s is it that simple or is there some other reason :s

[Jamesy]

Fair post jhr, can't argue with that at all. I think people stay because they have their own reuptation here and popularity, and don't go unless they are banned. Caleb is banned and hasn't been back I don't think. And I agree about spamming other forums, advertise forums ok but it isn't a busy section really. Discuss anything is acceptable but spam isn't.

[Niall!]

There is nothing wrong to say you prefer other forums, Say another forum is better or even use another forum or 50 :)

It really bugs me when theres users who say how crap it is and they still keep coming back :s If its so crap then dont use it :s is it that simple or is there some other reason :s

I never said HxF was crap, I like the community I've been around awhile, It's just certain management who pushed me to join other forums aswell.

[H0BJ0B]

If I had 100 rep power, I'd rep you jrh, sadly, I don't. BUt you can have what rep power I do have.

[WarezKid]

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=441417

It mentions advertising other forums and saying they are better than this forum can now get you banned? Do I sense something called him lemme see..

Jealousy? I agree that if a user is flooding this forum all the time then they should be banned, but being banned for calling this forum a peice of crap compared to others? That's unfair.


ye got a problem dude?

[-Eyeless-]

lol i thought it said new banging thing :P

[-:Undertaker:-]

There is nothing wrong to say you prefer other forums, Say another forum is better or even use another forum or 50 :)

It really bugs me when theres users who say how crap it is and they still keep coming back :s If its so crap then dont use it :s is it that simple or is there some other reason :s

People stay here because this is a busy forum and for many of us it is the first forum we joined and is where many people we know come on. Habbox can change if Management are prepared to listen. People may hate/dislike management and think they are ruining the forum, but when they say they hate the forum they really mean Management and it's stupid rules that is forces upon this forum.

[jrh2002]

I never said HxF was crap, I like the community I've been around awhile, It's just certain management who pushed me to join other forums aswell.

My post was not aimed at you :) I noticed somebody in this thread say it was crap and I must have witnessed similar posts from another 15 or 20 users over the last week so finally commented on it.

I use another forum that is better than HxF and thats because there are more things there that interest me and the members are more mature.
I do really like HxF and having once owned the place it will always mean alot even though I don't go on habbo to play any longer even though i might pop on to get my messages or catch up with a few old mates.
You are allowed your opnion to say you thing something iss better its just the trouble causers who will get banned which in my opinion is a great move and long overdue.

Sierks more on about the

come to ******* forum its much better than hxf
come to ******* forum its much better than hxf
come to ******* forum its much better than hxf
come to ******* forum its much better than hxf
come to ******* forum its much better than hxf
come to ******* forum its much better than hxf
come to ******* forum its much better than hxf
come to ******* forum its much better than hxf

spammers type idiots.

[reindeer.]

:s :s :s
:s :s :s
Dont pointless post
jrh2002


Do not edit a staff warning.
jrh2002 - Assistant General Manager

[-:Undertaker:-]

My post was not aimed at you :) I noticed somebody in this thread say it was crap and I must have witnessed similar posts from another 15 or 20 users over the last week so finally commented on it.

I use another forum that is better than HxF and thats because there are more things there that interest me and the members are more mature.
I do really like HxF and having once owned the place it will always mean alot even though I don't go on habbo to play any longer even though i might pop on to get my messages or catch up with a few old mates.
You are allowed your opnion to say you thing something iss better its just the trouble causers who will get banned which in my opinion is a great move and long overdue.

Sierks more on about the

come to ******* forum its much better than hxf
come to ******* forum its much better than hxf
come to ******* forum its much better than hxf
come to ******* forum its much better than hxf
come to ******* forum its much better than hxf
come to ******* forum its much better than hxf
come to ******* forum its much better than hxf
come to ******* forum its much better than hxf

spammers type idiots.

Then this new rule is pointless as spam is already not allowed and MOD's take the correct action when something like that happens.

[jrh2002]

Well if its already covered no need to worry about the new rule.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Well if its already covered no need to worry about the new rule.

Because I honestly think this is just another way to silence members who disagree with Management.

[reindeer.]

:s :s :s
Dont pointless post
jrh2002

soz y did i get infraction 4 that.
i think ur posts are pointless but i don't tell u every time u post.
no point reporting cos only admins can turn it ova lol.

[jrh2002]

Because I honestly think this is just another way to silence members who disagree with Management.

Its not a new rule its just getting tougher on the trouble causers from what I understand which is good.


soz y did i get infraction 4 that.
i think ur posts are pointless but i don't tell u every time u post.
no point reporting cos only admins can turn it ova lol.

My posts usually consist of more than what you were infracted for. Hope you enjoyed receiving it :)

I thought I could be negative until I had a read of your posts. :eusa_clap

[reindeer.]

My posts usually consist of more than what you were infracted for. Hope you enjoyed receiving it :)
ye it was rly good thanx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

[-Xiangu-]

Because I honestly think this is just another way to silence members who disagree with Management.


its just management trying to make the forum better for everyone. if you dont advertise your forum daying its better than hxf all the time then you wont get banned. its just polite not to continuously brag about another forum

if you dislike the managfement then leave

[Niall!]

its just management trying to make the forum better for everyone. if you dont advertise your forum daying its better than hxf all the time then you wont get banned. its just polite not to continuously brag about another forum

if you dislike the managfement then leave

lolsuckup

I dislike some management but that doesn't mean I should be forced to leave.

[reindeer.]

im gonna actually make a constructive post here.
if it was ur forum, and you had spent money on it, then all of a sudden people came alogn advertising their forum, and all the members left, would u be happy?????
i certainly wouldnt.

[Niall!]

im gonna actually make a constructive post here.
if it was ur forum, and you had spent money on it, then all of a sudden people came alogn advertising their forum, and all the members left, would u be happy?????
i certainly wouldnt.

You've certainly changed sides.

[Moozo]

:s :s :s
Dont pointless post
jrh2002


Do not edit a staff warning.
jrh2002 - Assistant General Manager
OMG
i didnt even mean to edit it.
i deleted it
then put it back.
i dont see why thats a ban cause i put it back ;l

i used 2 think u were a good admin but now ur a ****

[GommeInc]

Its not a new rule its just getting tougher on the trouble causers from what I understand which is good.
Then why have Management called it a new rule? Again, Habbox have made a rule which pretty much exists already...

[---MAD---]

Then why have Management called it a new rule? Again, Habbox have made a rule which pretty much exists already...
Well in some ways it is and in some ways it isn't. Depends at how you look at the situation. In my opinion it's a new rule - anyone with constant negative posts on the forum about Habbox will be banned (before this never happened). Some users were here solely to complain and never used the forum for what it offers. The same users also used to promote their own forum saying its better than Habbox etc. Those type of members are no longer welcome at Habbox. If we feel a member is here for those reasons, he/she will be banned.

This does not mean in anyway we no longer want people to complain about problems etc. Does not mean that at all. If people are using Habbox properly and find something annoying - then sure they can complain and give us constructive feedback about it. No-one can find everything annoying and find all the staff annoying and everything we do annoying. If that was the case, why are they here? Its obvious they are here to cause trouble.

Also new users sometimes sign up and straight away (sometimes even their first post!) post in the feedback forum complaining - that, again, obviously shows they are here solely to complain and take the mick out of staff and Habbox services.

[GommeInc]

Well in some ways it is and in some ways it isn't. Depends at how you look at the situation. In my opinion its a new rule - anyone with constant negative posts on the forum about Habbox will be banned (before this never happened). Some users where here solely to complain and never used the forum for what it offers. The same users also used to promote their own forum saying its better than Habbox etc. Those type of members are no longer welcome at Habbox. If we feel a member is here for those reasons, he/she will be banned.

This does not mean in anyway we no longer want people to complain about problems etc. Does not mean that at all. If people are using Habbox properly and find something annoying - then sure they can complain and give us constructive feedback about it. No-one can find everything annoying and find all the staff annoying and everything we do annoying. If that was the case, why are they here? Its obvious they are here to cause trouble.

Also new users sometimes sign up and straight away (sometimes even their first post!) post in the feedback forum complaining - that, again, obviously shows they are here solely to complain and take the mick out of staff and Habbox services.
It all fits in with the spam rules. You don't need to create multiple rules which are based around pointless posting. Just go to the ACP, edit the rules and state in the spam/pointless posting rules "It is not allowed to solely spam the feeback forum with complaints" or something along those lines.

Here is sierks policy:

"However we will be stricter with members that are ONLY causing trouble all the time, for example by repeatedly complaining about specific members, repeatedly making complaints without good argumentation, being rude all the time, repeatedly advertising other websites and repeatedly saying they are better than this forum, etcetera."

Complaining about members = Is sat snugly in rule "Do not bully other forum members." Because bullying can consist of repeatdly complaining about them with no real reason. If there was a reason, you would look into it.

Making continuous complaints without a good argument = Fits in with pointless spam, posts. They obviously have no reason behind them if they will get banned, so they would fit in with pointless posts, because they are pointless to the forum.

Being rude all the time = If swearing is involved, it will come under the swearing rule and the rest would fit in with the "don't be offensive" rule which is in rule A1.

Repeatedly advertisng = Spam / Pointless posting.

Also, I suggest you get rid of 'respect other peoples views' in rule A1, because if you didn't want such complaints you would respect these peoples views on Habbox and see what can be done, and PM the members accordingly or make an announcement in the feedback forum. Keeping it now kinda contradicts you...

[JoeyK.]

lolsuckup

I dislike some management but that doesn't mean I should be forced to leave.
Interesting that as soon as someone sides with the management, they're called a suck-up.

I really don't see this as a new rule exactly, more as them letting everyone know in advance that certain rules will be enforced more strictly from now on.

[Jordy]

same users also used to promote their own forum saying its better than Habbox etc. Those type of members are no longer welcome at Habbox.So your saying that because I think HABBOS.NET is much better than HabboxForum and I'm advertising it (Click here to go to Habbos.net (http://www.habbos.net/) it's better!) then I'm no longer welcome at HabboxForum and will be banned... God I'm speechless you could make such a silly rule. Mind you I suppose you want me to be speechless if I'm advertising a certain HABBOS.NET which is better than HabboxForum?

[JoeyK.]

So your saying that because I think HABBOS.NET is much better than HabboxForum and I'm advertising it (Click here to go to Habbos.net (http://www.habbos.net/) it's better!) then I'm no longer welcome at HabboxForum and will be banned... God I'm speechless you could make such a silly rule. Mind you I suppose you want me to be speechless if I'm advertising a certain HABBOS.NET which is better than HabboxForum?
No, it's people who spam about other sites repeatedly in random sections that they have a problem with. You're quite within your own rights to have your own opinion, it's just the constant spam that's an issue.

[GommeInc]

'In your opinion.' you have to add to your post. It may well be better in a neutral argument, but for the moment it has to stay your opinion. And that is why this advertising rule is a bit stupid, because your opinion is that Habbos.net is better than HabboxForum, but you're not allowed such an opinion. But I suppose this argument is really over people who spam the forum without showing any liking to Habbox Forum, which shows having membership is invalid.

[Jordy]

In your opinion you have to add to your post. It may well be better in a neutral argument, but for the moment it has to stay your opinion. And that is why this advertising rule is a bit stupid, because your opinion is that Habbos.net is better than HabboxForum, but you're not allowed such an opinion. But I suppose this argument is really over people who spam the forum without showing any liking to Habbox Forum.It doesn't say 'Constantly' anywhere though, in regards to that section of his post.

[GommeInc]

MAD's, sierk's or Habbos.net fan?

[JoeyK.]

Again, it's directed twards those who repeatedly and constantly spam the boards with such things.


However we will be stricter with members that are ONLY causing trouble all the time, for example by repeatedly complaining about specific members, repeatedly making complaints without good argumentation, being rude all the time, repeatedly advertising other websites and repeatedly saying they are better than this forum, etcetera.

[Jordy]

MAD's, sierk's or Habbos.net fan?MADs.


Again, it's directed twards those who repeatedly and constantly spam the boards with such things.Indeed it does say that, but not in this section of his post which in theory states we can't advertise another forum if we prefer it to HabboxForum.


Some users were here solely to complain and never used the forum for what it offers. The same users also used to promote their own forum saying its better than Habbox etcThere is absolutely no mention of 'Constantly' or 'Repeatedly'

[JoeyK.]

MADs.

Indeed it does say that, but not in this section of his post which in theory states we can't advertise another forum if we prefer it to HabboxForum.

There is absolutely no mention of 'Constantly' or 'Repeatedly'
Which part of the post is that?

[GommeInc]

Then you can, by all means, spam the forum with withever forum you wish, constantly ;) I wonder if they fixed the rule which doesn't state nude images aren't to be uploaded...

[-:Undertaker:-]

its just management trying to make the forum better for everyone. if you dont advertise your forum daying its better than hxf all the time then you wont get banned. its just polite not to continuously brag about another forum

if you dislike the managfement then leave

I have probably contributed more to Habbox than some of Management ever will do in the means of common sence, I will not leave because Management decide to push in idiotic rules.


Again, it's directed twards those who repeatedly and constantly spam the boards with such things.

Then why did Management bring up the same rule? A lot of the time people on this forum have to repeat themselves because their threads are closed/moved.

[Catzsy]

The only query I have with the GM's post is:

If we feel a member is here for those reasons, he/she will be banned.

Will the person just be banned or will there be any sort of pm warning to say this is the feeling of the management and give the person the opportunity to reply before taking such drastic action?

[cunning]

Nevermind.

[Black_Apalachi]

I don't see what your problem is. It clearly says:


repeatedly advertising other websites

You can say whatever you like (within reason obv) as long as you don't repeatedly advertise, as it says :rolleyes:.

[JoeyK.]

I have probably contributed more to Habbox than some of Management ever will do in the means of common sence, I will not leave because Management decide to push in idiotic rules.



Then why did Management bring up the same rule? A lot of the time people on this forum have to repeat themselves because their threads are closed/moved.
Because they're letting people know that they're going to be more strict in the future, which is exactly what that thread says.

[JackHb]

The new rule is good.

It isn't stopping this freedom of speech crap it is stopping the spammers who consntanly moan and advertise there rubbish sites

[GommeInc]

The only agreeable thing is banning members who spam the forum with websites. The rule has existed for years anyway. People just disagree with the rest mentioned in sierks thread.

[---MAD---]

As sierk said in his post, we will be banning those people faster than before.


Members like this will be banned faster, hopefully making the forum a more enjoyable place for everybody.


I am really not sure why you are finding it hard to understand GommeInc.

[Pat McGroin]

Well in some ways it is and in some ways it isn't. Depends at how you look at the situation. In my opinion it's a new rule - anyone with constant negative posts on the forum about Habbox will be banned (before this never happened).


That's a lie. You once fired me from HxW and put me on the Do Not Hire list for apparantly being anti-Habbox, so please can you tell us the bloody truth for once instead of feeding us different crap everytime you post?

[---MAD---]

That's a lie. You once fired me from HxW and put me on the Do Not Hire list for apparantly being anti-Habbox, so please can you tell us the bloody truth for once instead of feeding us different crap everytime you post?
Thats totally different. You were staff so you would obviously get fired....

[Pat McGroin]

Thats totally different. You were staff so you would obviously get fired....

I had an opinion about Habbox, it's the same thing. You also never answered the do not hire list bit. Firing and banning people for an opinion is the most stupid thing I've heard on here. No wonder half the users hate it. I've gotta agree with what someone said yesterday, since the GM 'became the manager of everything making the FMs useless' did make Habbox total ********. Actually let J1MI and Elkaa do their jobs, and pick the staff. You concentrate on the site and then Habbox can slowly become what it used to be.

[---MAD---]

I had an opinion about Habbox, it's the same thing. You also never answered the do not hire list bit. Firing and banning people for an opinion is the most stupid thing I've heard on here. No wonder half the users hate it. I've gotta agree with what someone said yesterday, since the GM 'became the manager of everything making the FMs useless' did make Habbox total ********. Actually let J1MI and Elkaa do their jobs, and pick the staff. You concentrate on the site and then Habbox can slowly become what it used to be.
J1MI and elkaa do pick their staff.

And no its not the same thing. Being anti-habbox and expecting to keep your job is ridiculous.

[Pat McGroin]

I wasn't anti-Habbox, I never was. I just had an opinion what you're not allowed anymore.

[Hitman]

J1MI and elkaa do pick their staff.

And no its not the same thing. Being anti-habbox and expecting to keep your job is ridiculous.
I agree with that, if you're working anywhere and are dragging it down wouldn't you expect to be fired/cautioned? Same applies for Habbox. It's like working in McDonalds and shouting "GO TO BURGER KING IT'S BETTER!" to every customer that enters, you wouldn't keep the job long.

[WarezKid]

J1MI and elkaa do pick their staff.

And no its not the same thing. Being anti-habbox and expecting to keep your job is ridiculous.


I agree with that, if you're working anywhere and are dragging it down wouldn't you expect to be fired/cautioned? Same applies for Habbox. It's like working in McDonalds and shouting "GO TO BURGER KING IT'S BETTER!" to every customer that enters, you wouldn't keep the job long.


I agree -.-

[---MAD---]

I agree with that, if you're working anywhere and are dragging it down wouldn't you expect to be fired/cautioned? Same applies for Habbox. It's like working in McDonalds and shouting "GO TO BURGER KING IT'S BETTER!" to every customer that enters, you wouldn't keep the job long.
Yeah. Thats a good example too :).

[Immenseman]

lolsuckup

Right, because a member of staff agrees with this new method then they're a suck up? No, of course not. I'm sure there are plenty of users who agree with this so you're calling them all suck ups? :rolleyes:

[GommeInc]

As sierk said in his post, we will be banning those people faster than before.



I am really not sure why you are finding it hard to understand GommeInc.
I don't see why Management find it hard to understand that the whole Habbox empire has walls tumbling and there is no one around because they're too busy in the garden. Work that one out. The rule existed for years, I don't see what irrational fool came up with 'they'll be banned faster' because 1. That just proves to many people that Habbox has gotten just that little bit more corrupt, banning people for no real reason and 2. It's just another pointless rule which has already existed and won't make the blindest bit of difference. I don't see why you or anyone else doesn't notice that...

Also, about butting into someones job e.g. the Forum Managers job, here are a few things he or Elkaa should of posted and made the final though. Your job, ----MAD---- is with the Site. Unless you could explain while any other GM (Site Manager) before you worked more with the site, while you seem to take over and do this One Man Show part.

Mobile Devices sub-forum
---MAD---
--ss-- now a Forum Super Moderator.
---MAD---
H0BJ0B now Assistant Radio Manager.
---MAD---
Yum999 now assistant news manager.
---MAD---
mat64 now a Forum Super Moderator.
---MAD---
Garion now a forum moderator.
---MAD---

And:

J1MI takes over as Forum Manager.
---MAD---

Which seems to be the biggest Habbox Lie of 2007. MAD, you are doing someone elses job, so either you change your title to 'Site Manager' or you fire J1MI, or demote him to a lower title, because he is far from a Forum Manager. There are also announcements which should of been made by a News Manager, Radio Manager.

So why is Habbox such a mess in terms of staff allocation? J1MI isn't a Forum Manager, you are, but you aren't you're the Site Manager (considering that is the other name for General Manager, when they really should of just given it the name Site Manager). There are also aload of AGMs which seems to be a big title for 'Administrator' which is a terrible idea. The AGMs already have titles (e.g. News Manager) and this is why those managers departments are failing miserably, they have another big title which getsd them too involved with something else. Take a look at companies, you don't see the CEO running around doing everything, which you seem to be, and this will lead to the whole company crashing. You don't see Managers of other departments also running a different part of the company, increasing work load?

Why don't you understand this?

Also, there is a difference between being Anti-Habbox e.g. "Habbox suxors" and constructive criticism "this part of Habbox is failing miserably or the management need to rethink this." Most staff fired for being 'Anti-Habbox' are doing the latter. And you could save yourself the time and effort banning people if you listened and went back intime and used the same methods and management skills as Habbox 2004-2005. Back then habbox was more organised. This Habbox is an organised chaos if anything...

[J1MI]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Death Note http://www.habboxforum.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?p=4325878#post4325878)
lolsuckup


Right, because a member of staff agrees with this new method then they're a suck up? No, of course not. I'm sure there are plenty of users who agree with this so you're calling them all suck ups? :rolleyes:

That made me laugh, it's exactly what i've been thinking whilst reading through all these threads. If your not rebelling against it your obviously sucking up :rolleyes:, it's like users can't agree with staff for fear of being ridiculed by their peers.

[Sammeth.]

Also, about butting into someones job e.g. the Forum Managers job, here are a few things he or Elkaa should of posted and made the final though. Your job, ----MAD---- is with the Site. Unless you could explain while any other GM (Site Manager) before you worked more with the site, while you seem to take over and do this One Man Show part.

Mobile Devices sub-forum
---MAD---
--ss-- now a Forum Super Moderator.
---MAD---
H0BJ0B now Assistant Radio Manager.
---MAD---
Yum999 now assistant news manager.
---MAD---
mat64 now a Forum Super Moderator.
---MAD---
Garion now a forum moderator.
---MAD---

And:

J1MI takes over as Forum Manager.
---MAD---


Its always been the rule that General Managers are the only ones who can hire or fire managers/assistant managers, so it is the General Managers job to announce them. Not the forum manager.

[GommeInc]

Its always been the rule that General Managers are the only ones who can hire or fire managers/assistant managers, so it is the General Managers job to announce them. Not the forum manager.
No... The Manager of the Department should announce their assistants, otherwise they're not managers and they're not assistants. J1MI deals with everything forum related, MAD deals with the site. That's how it used to be and from experience, that worked better than someone who clearly would not have the time. MAD's job now, if it worked correctly and how it should work, would be a full time job.

The GMs role, which was Site Manager, is to pretty much keep the site running and let the Managers of the Site Departments report with any issues and new features they need to work properly. Not be over run by someone doing the job for them :rolleyes:

[J1MI]

No... The Manager of the Department should announce their assistants, otherwise they're not managers and they're not assistants. J1MI deals with everything forum related, MAD deals with the site. That's how it used to be and from experience, that worked better than someone who clearly would not have the time. MAD's job now, if it worked correctly and how it should work, would be a full time job.

The GMs role, which was Site Manager, is to pretty much keep the ste running and let the Managers of the Site Departments report with any issues and new features they need to work properly. Not be over run by someone doing the job for them :rolleyes:

Nope, GM's are only allowed to hire someone who is going to be taking up an admin position as the AFM job is. It's always been this way, the FM does have a big say in who he want's as his assistant though. :) If you look back 8f8 or sierk always announced AFM's.

GM's job is not to just keep the site running, it's to improve the site inspire new idea's in all departments, they've always had a massive say is what every department does, they're huge involvement ensures everyone is on the same level and working towards the saem goals.

[Sammeth.]

No... The Manager of the Department should announce their assistants, otherwise they're not managers and they're not assistants. J1MI deals with everything forum related, MAD deals with the site. That's how it used to be and from experience, that worked better than someone who clearly would not of the time.

The GMs role, which was Site Manager, is to pretty much keep the ste running and let the Managers of the Site Departments report with any issues and new features they need to work properly. Not be over run by someone doing the job for them :rolleyes:

Yes, mate....The General Manager has always announced assistants and managers, even when 8freak8 was General Manager. You've never had a problem with it publicly for the last 2 years, so why now?

J1MI is a forum manager. He is on par with every other manager in the hierarchy. He isn't above them, he isn't below them. He has no rule over managers, as they are his equals. The forum is a department, just like the Help desk is, and Rare Values. J1MI doesn't announce managers, as he doesn't decide them, its the General Managers job and always has been. J1MI isn't higher than any other manager at Habbox, but because the forum is his department, of course, he has more powers on the forum to let him do his job. Just like manager of the help desk has more powers in the help desk, or the rare values manager has more powers on habbox.com to update the values. The forum is used by departments as a base of communication and organisation. Its like a big meeting point, but that doesn't allow J1MI to start doing jobs that he doesn't have the right to do.

J1MI knows he is a manager and is on par with other managers. Not above them. So he doesn't announce them.

I hope that made sense...when I have things in my head they don't always come out right in writing :P I know what I'm trying to say anyway, so thats all that matters :eusa_whis

Edit: Yeah, as J1MI said; Managers do give recommendations and reasons for who they want their assistant to be, but the overall decision is down to MAD or whoever the current GM may be at the time.

[GommeInc]

Nope, GM's are only allowed to hire someone who is going to be taking up an admin position as the AFM job is. It's always been this way, the FM does have a big say in who he want's as his assistant though. :) If you look back 8f8 or sierk always announced AFM's.
False, back when Jrh2002 was the forum owner/manager, he decided.


Yes, mate....The General Manager has always announced assistants and managers, even when 8freak8 was General Manager. You've never had a problem with it publicly for the last 2 years, so why now?

J1MI is a forum manager. He is on par with every other manager in the hierarchy. He isn't above them, he isn't below them. He has no rule over managers, as they are his equals. The forum is a department, just like the Help desk is, and Rare Values. J1MI doesn't announce managers, as he doesn't decide them, its the General Managers job and always has been. J1MI isn't higher than any other manager at Habbox, but because the forum is his department, of course, he has more powers on the forum to let him do his job. Just like manager of the help desk has more powers in the help desk, or the rare values manager has more powers on habbox.com to update the values. The forum is used by departments as a base of communication and organisation. Its like a big meeting point, but that doesn't allow J1MI to start doing jobs that he doesn't have the right to do.

J1MI knows he is a manager and is on par with other managers. Not above them. So he doesn't announce them.

I hope that made sense...when I have things in my head they don't always come out right in writing :P I know what I'm trying to say anyway, so thats all that matters :eusa_whis

Edit: Yeah, as J1MI said; Managers do give recommendations and reasons for who they want their assistant to be, but the overall decision is down to MAD or whoever the current GM may be at the time.
Most of what you said contradicted itself. J1MI isn't higher than other people and he isn't lower, well he surely is considering most of the Managers are AGMs and he is higher than other people according to you because he has more powers on the forum. I never said J1MI should announce other managers, but he should have a say in Forum Adminstrators, Moderators and Super Moderators, much like a News Manager decides News Reporters, Editors etc.

[J1MI]

False, back when Jrh2002 was the forum owner/manager, he decided.

No offense but read what you have posted? "Jrh2002 was the forum owner".



I hope that made sense...when I have things in my head they don't always come out right in writing :P I know what I'm trying to say anyway, so thats all that matters :eusa_whis


Lol awww, yeah it did come out right Sammeth, don't worry. *Pats on head*

[JackHb]

No offense but read what you have posted? "Jrh2002 was the forum owner".



Lol awww, yeah it did come out right Sammeth, don't worry. *Pats on head*

He was the forum owner

[GommeInc]

No offense but read what you have posted? "Jrh2002 was the forum owner".



Lol awww, yeah it did come out right Sammeth, don't worry. *Pats on head*
Exactly, so why can't you have such powers? Yes he was the owner, but he was the manager, and the manager manages the forum (thus the name forum manager, coincidently). So why can't you pick your staff to help manage the forum? Your title is Forum Technician or Assistant Forum Manager if anything "/

Mobile Devices sub-forum
---MAD---
--ss-- now a Forum Super Moderator.
---MAD---
mat64 now a Forum Super Moderator.
---MAD---
Garion now a forum moderator.
---MAD---

Please explain why MAD did your managing job, if you please :)

[JackHb]

J1MI should have announced the forum super moderators.
Back when Seacat was Forum Manager, Seacat would announce the new forum super moderators

[GommeInc]

Indeed, and the excuse "the GM announces them when the Forum Manager isn't around" isn't a valid excuse... Who made the decision then, the GM or the Forum Manager? Makes no sense even further. Looking at Habbox from a members point of view, it all makes very little sense who does what. There seems to be trust issues.

[Sammeth.]

False, back when Jrh2002 was the forum owner/manager, he decided.


Most of what you said contradicted itself. J1MI isn't higher than other people and he isn't lower, well he surely is considering most of the Managers are AGMs and he is higher than other people according to you because he has more powers on the forum. I never said J1MI should announce other managers, but he should have a say in Forum Adminstrators, Moderators and Super Moderators, much like a News Manager decides News Reporters, Editors etc.

He has more powers on the forum, as its his department and he needs those powers to do his job. Just like Immenseman has privileges that J1MI doesn't have on Habbox.com, so he can do his job as Rare Values manager. Though all are equal in terms of a hierarchy is what I was trying to say.

And talking about contradictions....


I never said J1MI should announce other managers


Also, about butting into someones job e.g. the Forum Managers job, here are a few things he or Elkaa should of posted...

H0BJ0B now Assistant Radio Manager.
---MAD---
Yum999 now assistant news manager.
---MAD---

[GommeInc]

He has more powers on the forum, as its his department and he needs those powers to do his job. Just like Immenseman has privileges that J1MI doesn't have on Habbox.com, so he can do his job as Rare Values manager. Though all are equal in terms of a hierarchy is what I was trying to say.

And talking about contradictions....
And underneath that comes this part:


And:

J1MI takes over as Forum Manager.
---MAD---

Which seems to be the biggest Habbox Lie of 2007. MAD, you are doing someone elses job, so either you change your title to 'Site Manager' or you fire J1MI, or demote him to a lower title, because he is far from a Forum Manager. There are also announcements which should of been made by a News Manager, Radio Manager.

[Sammeth.]

And underneath that comes this part:

Okay...well I think this is just a matter of splitting hairs at the end of the day. Sometimes managers ask ---MAD--- or nvrspk4 to do an announcement for them if they don't have time etc. So you never know. I'm not saying thats definatly what has happened, but you shouldn't leap to the conclusion MAD has intruded on their job, when he could have been asked.

And at the end of the day its just an announcement. I'm sure J1MI doesn't mind. It may even give him extra time to help improve the forum ;)

[GommeInc]

My point is you can't tell what these people are doing. From what I've noticed, MAD seems to have a flurry of jobs on Habbox yet people have titles suggesting it is their department. It also makes it very bad for MAD because, as you can see, he gets the blame for many things when it really should be someone else to blame. Not suggesting the rep issue is J1MI's fault, I didn't even know he was the forum manager until 2 or 3 days ago, but because it his is job, supposedly to manage the forum, he must have the final and critical say in the matter. Ownership or no ownership of the forum. Habbox have mentioned that they're organised, or should be at least, so surely a manager of a department should make their announcements, regardless to whether or not they are busy?

[Sammeth.]

My point is you can't tell what these people are doing. From what I've noticed, MAD seems to have a flurry of jobs on Habbox yet people have titles suggesting it is their department. It also makes it very bad for MAD because, as you can see, he gets the blame for many things when it really should be someone else to blame. Not suggesting the rep issue is J1MI's fault, I didn't even know he was the forum manager until 2 or 3 days ago, but because it his is job, supposedly to manage the forum, he must have the final and critical say in the matter. Ownership or no ownership of the forum. Habbox have mentioned that they're organised, or should be at least, so surely a manager of a department should make their announcements, regardless to whether or not they are busy?

Issues that have a serious effect on Habbox are discussed between the General Management team. I'm sure J1MI did have a very big say too, but pinning it down on just one person is a bit harsh.

Also MADs job is General Manager. He doesn't just manage the site, he has to manage everything that is Habbox. Thats Habbox, all its departments, affiliate sites (HabboxLive, HabboxForum). Everything. So rather than just concentrating more on the site, I think he is trying to spread his focus widely so every part benefits. Though I don't know, I cant speak for him. I do a lot of guess work :8 (edit: Though I am basing this guess work from when I was a manager :P!)

[JackHb]

I think the site and forum are too big to be run as one by one general manager etc.
thats why there used to be AGM (Forum) and AGM (Site) and Site Manager etc.
The forum needs its own staff in my opinion and not mixed with the site staff as the forum in its self is huge to control.
It should have a dedicated AGM (Forum) (Who makes the big decisions like the one that just happened with the rep, along with the forum manager and assistant forum manager and forum staff) > Forum Manager > Assistant Forum Manager > Forum Administrators > Super Moderators > Forum Moderators

At the moment the admins are all AGM's and things like that, not actual forum dedicated staff.

[GommeInc]

I think the site and forum are too big to be run as one by one general manager etc.
thats why there used to be AGM (Forum) and AGM (Site) and Site Manager etc.
The forum needs its own staff in my opinion and not mixed with the site staff as the forum in its self is huge to control.
It should have a dedicated AGM (Forum) (Who makes the big decisions like the one that just happened with the rep, along with the forum manager and assistant forum manager and forum staff) > Forum Manager > Assistant Forum Manager > Forum Administrators > Super Moderators > Forum Moderators

At the moment the admins are all AGM's and things like that, not actual forum dedicated staff.
Which kinda spreads the work load with big consequences, no one has time enough for more than one big job e.g. someone who is an AGM and a News Manager. If whoever is just a News Manager, their times focuses on just one aspect and of course, such a big title will give them some say on site things that effect their department.


Issues that have a serious effect on Habbox are discussed between the General Management team. I'm sure J1MI did have a very big say too, but pinning it down on just one person is a bit harsh.

Also MADs job is General Manager. He doesn't just manage the site, he has to manage everything that is Habbox. Thats Habbox, all its departments, affiliate sites (HabboxLive, HabboxForum). Everything. So rather than just concentrating more on the site, I think he is trying to spread his focus widely so every part benefits. Though I don't know, I cant speak for him. I do a lot of guess work :8 (edit: Though I am basing this guess work from when I was a manager :P!)
People get the blame if they make themselves look like they decided it. That's life.

[J1MI]

I think the site and forum are too big to be run as one by one general manager etc.
thats why there used to be AGM (Forum) and AGM (Site) and Site Manager etc.
The forum needs its own staff in my opinion and not mixed with the site staff as the forum in its self is huge to control.
It should have a dedicated AGM (Forum) (Who makes the big decisions like the one that just happened with the rep, along with the forum manager and assistant forum manager and forum staff) > Forum Manager > Assistant Forum Manager > Forum Administrators > Super Moderators > Forum Moderators

At the moment the admins are all AGM's and things like that, not actual forum dedicated staff.

It's a good theory, but as you know habbox runs on a hierarchy and it takes a substantial period of time for certain members to go through the ranks and earn trust to be able to hold a higher position with more access, I should know i've been staff here over a year and a half now.

I do have to agree with you though, my thought is that you'd probably get more brainstorming done with more brains. :P That's also a good reason why this soon to be habbox council (HxC) should be good for future development.

See what I did there with the "HxC" i'm clever like that. :P

[GommeInc]

It's a good theory, but as you know habbox runs on a hierarchy and it takes a substantial period of time for certain members to go through the ranks and earn trust to be able to hold a higher position with more access, I should know i've been staff here over a year and a half now.

I do have to agree with you though, my thought is that you'd probably get more brainstorming done with more brains. :P That's also a good reason why this soon to be habbox council (HxC) should be good for future development.

See what I did there with the "HxC" i'm clever like that. :P
I don't think the council will work, they never do. They end up to be fansite chat rooms in the end. ClubHabbo have a council I think, and that just looks like a chat room. It's easier to discuss things on the forum because everything will be noted down and you won't mix words like you would if you took notes off of Habbo.

[Sammeth.]

I don't think the council will work, they never do. They end up to be fansite chat rooms in the end. ClubHabbo have a council I think, and that just looks like a chat room. It's easier to discuss things on the forum because everything will be noted down and you won't mix words like you would if you took notes off of Habbo.

The council will be something that is based on the forum I believe, consisting of forum members and staff alike.

[J1MI]

The council will be something that is based on the forum I believe, consisting of forum members and staff alike.

You are correct. :)

[GommeInc]

The council will be something that is based on the forum I believe, consisting of forum members and staff alike.
Surely the Feedback forum is enough? Having a forum Habbox Council will just over-rule the feedback forum. Afterall, councils are built around feedback...

[---MAD---]

Surely the Feedback forum is enough? Having a forum Habbox Council will just over-rule the feedback forum. Afterall, councils are built around feedback...
Members asked for a council so we are giving them a council :).

[GommeInc]

Members asked for a council so we are giving them a council :).
So we're having 2 Feedback Forums? What crazy people wanted this crazy idea?!

[Sammeth.]

So we're having 2 Feedback Forums? What crazy people wanted this crazy idea?!

I don't think it will quite be like having 2 feedback forums. Just wait and see. Give it a chance, you might like it! Live on the edge, and all that jazz.

[Catzsy]

I think the site and forum are too big to be run as one by one general manager etc.
thats why there used to be AGM (Forum) and AGM (Site) and Site Manager etc.
The forum needs its own staff in my opinion and not mixed with the site staff as the forum in its self is huge to control.
It should have a dedicated AGM (Forum) (Who makes the big decisions like the one that just happened with the rep, along with the forum manager and assistant forum manager and forum staff) > Forum Manager > Assistant Forum Manager > Forum Administrators > Super Moderators > Forum Moderators

At the moment the admins are all AGM's and things like that, not actual forum dedicated staff.



This is the best post I have seen for months + Rep. I and some people within the higher ranks of Management having been saying since day 1.

[Quote Fosters]

That's a lie. You once fired me from HxW and put me on the Do Not Hire list for apparantly being anti-Habbox, so please can you tell us the bloody truth for once instead of feeding us different crap everytime you post?

[Quote ---MAD---]J1MI and elkaa do pick their staff.

And no its not the same thing. Being anti-habbox and expecting to keep your job is ridiculous.

Craig[Fosters] and I do not always see eye to eye but he must be infuriated about this. He has said 'apparently anti-Habbox' and --MAD--- has come back and good as said that he is anti-habbox which is most definitely not true. I know Craig feels a great deal for this forum and its best interests as a lot of us do. I am not saying the GM has done this on purpose but maybe he just does not have the time to read and properly consider what the post says.

IMHO, the GM, as Forum Manager, did wield a great deal more power than Jimi seems to have, however, if Jimi is content with that I do not think there can be any argument as it is internal organisation and as such is not our business. However it maybe that the role of FM should be re-defined as it does look like the GM can't give up control to those looking from the outside in and this may, now Jimi has posted, not be the true picture at all.

It is all getting very sad now - It does seem to have turned into an us v them
arguement.

Personally I do not think this hard line approach will work It seems to be a punative short term fix for which is a very long term problem but only time will tell and as it is said if we do not like what Habbox has become we can leave.

[Hitman]

Can somebody clarify something for me because I can't be bothered to read all of the posts, you're arguing about the new banning 'rule'?

I think it's fine, because look at it this way; If you went to another forum, made loads of threads about another forum I'm pretty sure you would get banned. It's like any site... Habbo Hotel didn't like it when some people advertised Club Tropica, they removed it from peoples missions etc...

I'm not getting involved because it's not worth it, let things be, however I've just posted a little on what I think.

[-:Undertaker:-]

If I was staff and I said Management was crap and was ruining the forum, I could be fired for being 'anti-habbox'? So really staff won't be able to be on the council because if they want change which goes against management then they'll be fired? Personally I think Habbox either needs a council running it which members have more power over General Manager or Habbox's ideas need a new change.

It's time to do this.

Council/Public > Forum Manager > Site Manager > Management

[Sammeth.]

If I was staff and I said Management was crap and was ruining the forum, I could be fired for being 'anti-habbox'? So really staff won't be able to be on the council because if they want change which goes against management then they'll be fired?

I don't think the council will discuss the issue of "Crap management". If you are staff and you were abusive and rude, and very negative then of course you will get fired. But if you are staff and you are giving constructive criticism on how you think Habbox should change, with well formed arguments why - then no, surely. There is a big difference between handling things maturely, and being rude.

[GommeInc]

I don't think the council will discuss the issue of "Crap management". If you are staff and you were abusive and rude, and very negative then of course you will get fired. But if you are staff and you are giving constructive criticism on how you think Habbox should change, with well formed arguments why - then no, surely. There is a big difference between handling things maturely, and being rude.
Well they should do, it's the main issue at the moment. There really isn't anything else for the council to discuss :S Most staff are fired when giving any form of negative feedback, mature or immature. If they fire when no well layed out argument is formed, then that's stupid? They should work out a way to see what the soon to be ex-staff member thinks and find out their ideas. Not fire them at point blank range.

[Sammeth.]

Well they should do, it's the main issue at the moment. There really isn't anything else for the council to discuss :S Most staff are fired when giving any form of negative feedback, mature or immature. If they fire when no well layed out argument is formed, then that's stupid? They should work out a way to see what the soon to be ex-staff member thinks and find out their ideas. Not fire them at point blank range.

I re-read what I said. Ill try again :(

What I mean is, they shouldn't be fired if they are giving constructive criticism. Like "Maybe the management should focus more on X, due to the fact that Y blah blah blah". I think if people were to just say "MANAGEMENT IS CRAP" then of course they deserve to be fired. What kind of attitude is that?

[GommeInc]

Well then they should find out why that staff member thinks 'Habbox Management is crap.' Firing/banning just justifies that ex-staff members point :P

[-:Undertaker:-]

I don't think the council will discuss the issue of "Crap management". If you are staff and you were abusive and rude, and very negative then of course you will get fired. But if you are staff and you are giving constructive criticism on how you think Habbox should change, with well formed arguments why - then no, surely. There is a big difference between handling things maturely, and being rude.

Constructive Critism is just closed/hidden on this forum as we saw the other night.


Well they should do, it's the main issue at the moment. There really isn't anything else for the council to discuss :S Most staff are fired when giving any form of negative feedback, mature or immature. If they fire when no well layed out argument is formed, then that's stupid? They should work out a way to see what the soon to be ex-staff member thinks and find out their ideas. Not fire them at point blank range.

100% correct, like usual :P

[Sammeth.]

Well then they should find out why that staff member thinks 'Habbox Management is crap.' Firing/banning just justifies that ex-staff members point :P

Habbox hire staff who are supposed to be mature. Posting negativity with no reasons, just saying "MANAGEMENT IS CRAP", they shouldn't be part of the team. Especially if they dont like it - I guess its more likely they would resign before they got fired anyway.

Im not sure what my point is anymore....

[---MAD---]

What constructive critisim was hidden?