My opinions and flaws about HXF.

[Cixso]

Reputation
I think the reputation system should be 100% looked at again.
Habbox have killed there own "reputation" by editing the reputation system. Incase you haven't noticed Habbox, how many active users are there compared to 6 months ago? Yeah, you are right. Oh dear me. Hmm, a wrong turn somewhere? And how many are there now? Hmmm.

Infact, I'm going to record all active users at 7PM every single day for the next 2 weeks and prove to you how bad you are doing.

Web Hosts Section
I think something needs to be sorted out. 8/10 people that post there are mature and are very very constructive in arguments. But take a look and view all the threads that have arguments in. I think there should be a rule for something like, if there is an argument, only the people that are actually involved may reply to them with constructive replies. Thats my thought. Also, I think more MOD's are 100% needed in that section. It is getting more and more active.

My TB:

---\ <- When I joined.
----\ <- When most of the "legends" left.
-----\_______ <- When the forum got more active, it was funny to
---------------\--/ \ chat to people. Have a great laugh, without
----------------\/--- \ spamming. It was very very cool
---------------------- \ ---- ______
----------------------- \---/<-------\-- The web section got more
-------------------------\/-----------\ populated, more people where
---------------------------------------\ posting than ever before.
---------------------------------------| <- Go into the webhost section
---------------------------------------| you'll find at least 20+
---------------------------------------| threads within the last week of arguments.
---------------------------------------| <- Reputation changes.
---------------------------------------|
Going back steps. Such as disabling -> /
reputation and starting all over again. /
(If it happeneds)

I got bored and decided to make it colourful. :)

Won't be before long before your own members backfire onto you. Your green/red status doesn't count for anything, I think you have lost respect from 3/4 of the forum users.

:werock:
It's a shame we can't ever say that again.

I personally think this is down to bad management and something needs to be done before it is too late.

(I actually wonder how many users are actually active out of 33k users)

I personally think Habbox are on a ticking bomb. That bomb is about to explode. Hence the user activity.

[GommeInc]

I agree completely with you. Habbox needs to revert back to Habbox Forum 2004/2005. Habbox Forum 2007/2007 is incredibly bad compared. Management aren't dedicated management, they've taken on more jobs than they can carry out.

[cocaine]

put me as admin and haha i'll sort this forum out

[VPSwow]

The thing about the Mods is hard for us, not because we are understaffed because we are not. It is the fact that the line between arguments and negative comments is sometimes overcrossed. We attempt to infract all users breaking the rules but arguments and sometimes not preventable especially when users constantly make new threads about the same topic.

If you see an argment breaking in these sections please use the report button and me, another Mod in that section or an SMOD will look into it.

[spot.]

i joined in dec 2004 and the mods are still as crap as they ever were


Edited by jrh2002 (Assistant General Manager)
Do not be rude to other members or staff.

[GommeInc]

put me as admin and haha i'll sort this forum out
Exactly how I feel but I fear I may not be trusted for some strange, unknown reason. My target would be the rules, because Habbox have this strange idea they need to go into details with their rules when really some of them cover everything.


i joined in dec 2004 and the mods are still as crap as they ever were
I very much doubt it... You were probably still in nursery back then (considering your mental age is somewhat low). Moderators were at their best back then, they didn't have this silly infraction system, warnings were done through notes.

[spot.]

E because Habbox have this strange idea they need to go into details with their rules when really some of them cover everything.

i agree tbh


I very much doubt it... You were probably still in nursery back then (considering your mental age is somewhat low). Moderators were back then, they didn't have this silly infraction system, warnings were done through notes.
very nice and thought out retort there mr gomme and im glad i can say the same about u after that
infraction system is actually better then notes back then perm bans were all at random (well to me atleast)

[Camy]

Got to admit, the forum doesn't have the same appeal and atmosphere it did when i joined bk in 05.
I think some of the changes made during my return to the forum have been a bit unneeded, and im not sure if the forum can ever return to its glory days imho.

[Cixso]

The thing about the Mods is hard for us, not because we are understaffed because we are not. It is the fact that the line between arguments and negative comments is sometimes overcrossed. We attempt to infract all users breaking the rules but arguments and sometimes not preventable especially when users constantly make new threads about the same topic.

If you see an argment breaking in these sections please use the report button and me, another Mod in that section or an SMOD will look into it.

I understand your job and how hard it is. I am not complaining about the MOD's I personally have never had a problem with a MOD. I find all MOD's I spoken too/friends with are dedicated as your self.

Thankfully, Habbox do allow constructive arguments. But theres too much of it recently, way way too much. I can't point a finger as I do it my self. But something does need to be sorted.

[jrh2002]

2004/5 Was by far the best time for HxF :) When something is being built it gives all the staff a reason to push forward but when it comes to just maintaining something it can get a little boring.
I think that there is a lack of respect on the forums and its hard to get that back :o Personally I would just ban the trouble causers as soon as they start but it seems they get left here long enough to get others joining up with them and breeding more trouble causers.
Things will never be the same for me here as the good old days.
I think a number of members are between the habbo and adult stage of their lives and come here as a force of habit and not because they want to. The way forward is with the new members but HxF must still respect the views and opinions of the old members such as GommeInc and Mentor have have also witnessed the ups and downs times in HxF's history.

[GommeInc]

Got to admit, the forum doesn't have the same appeal and atmosphere it did when i joined bk in 05.
I think some of the changes made during my return to the forum have been a bit unneeded, and im not sure if the forum can ever return to its glory days imho.
I think loads of (assistant) general managers or anyone that does have the power to change anything have had this thought in their mind that when they take to the seat they MUST change something. Loads of unneeded, anti-social changes have been added to Habbox over the years.

[Camy]

I think loads of (assistant) general managers or anyone that does have the power to change anything have had this thought in their mind that when they take to the seat they MUST change something. Loads of unneeded, anti-social changes have been added to Habbox over the years.
Agree with you there, some of the rules that were brought in are just mad tbh.
I don't think the reputation thing was needed in particular, but it doesn't bother me too much, maybe its a gd thing so the forum won't be like:" OMGZ I HAVE MORE REPZ THAN U, U R A NUB! ND I PWNZ0RZ" and wasn't like this in 05 if i remember correctly.

[spot.]

and wasn't like this in 05 if i remember correctly.
it was always like this....

[Camy]

Nope, dont think so, well people werent as obsessed with their rep as they are now *cough* da...

[JoeyK.]

I somewhat agree that the forum isn't as good as it was a few years ago, but in my mind it's just the rather larger amount of users that make the forum a bit more impersonal than it use to be. It used to be that everyone knew who most active people on the forum were, but now I'll see people with thousands of posts that I swear I'd never heard of before. It's become too big of a community to really know everyone anymore, which is the only real problem I have with Habbox.

[GoldenMerc]

Does this not show that Habbox has changed so much its unlikeable?

[GommeInc]

There used to be alot of members back then aswell. The only thing that has changed are the mad rules, systems, features and the registered member count. The reigstered member count would mean nothing, it all depends how many people are online, but shouldn't effect anything either.

The last time Habbox had a rep issue, they just limited the the time it takes to gave 1 rep power, but they dug a deep hole for themselves when buying rep was brough out. I don't see why they can't just make it a bit harder to gain rep power when you receiver points from members.


Does this not show that Habbox has changed so much its unlikeable?
A little less likeable is probably a better way of putting it.

[Brody]

I like the new rep system the reason is you can still tell if people are doing well but with it only being 100 power per power or block in the old rep system say ur friends with like 2 of the people that have like the highest rep you could just ask them and there you have another block/power and the system was meant to show weather the user is a good poster and has good commitment to the forum where as are they really showing that. all they are showing there is they have friends that have high rep power really.now with the new rep system to get a power you need to get 600 rep points now to get that many points you will have to do something right or get an awful lot of pointless rep so really to get that rep power is valued alot more now.

[GommeInc]

I like the new rep system the reason is you can still tell if people are doing well but with it only being 100 power per power or block in the old rep system say ur friends with like 2 of the people that have like the highest rep you could just ask them and there you have another block/power and the system was meant to show weather the user is a good poster and has good commitment to the forum where as are they really showing that. all they are showing there is they have friends that have high rep power really.now with the new rep system to get a power you need to get 600 rep points now to get that many points you will have to do something right or get an awful lot of pointless rep so really to get that rep power is valued alot more now.
Then Habbox should make a little bit harder to gain rep power from rep points, like they did a year or so ago. Like 1000 rep = 1 bit of rep power, and 1 year = 1 bit of rep power etc.

[Catzsy]

Nope, dont think so, well people werent as obsessed with their rep as they are now *cough* da...

Possibly because they didn't have much to lose then? Anyway the rep system is being looked into. I think the point of the thread is to state there is too much constructive arguing in feedback and only those involved should post. :S How do you know who has opinions until you post a thread and also if you only want management/admin to reply you put in the complaints/queries section.

I am not really sure there is much point to this thread Sarith, except perhaps to point out that the users have gone down. I thought that a while ago but they do seem to have picked up lately.

Edit: please ignore me Sarith - I see you were referring to Website Section:)

[GommeInc]

Possibly because they didn't have much to lose then? Anyway the rep system is being looked into. I think the point of the thread is to state there is too much contructive arguing in feedback. :S
It is? Who said? J1MI?

[Mentor]

As an easy solution for dealing with aurgments, just let people have em. If people want to aurgue and there not runing someone elses thread, why the hell shouldnt they be able to? Its only a problem if it leaves the thread and you get trolling else where.
As for aurgments, i see nothing wrong with them.

[jrh2002]

Does this not show that Habbox has changed so much its unlikeable?

Thats how most of the 01 - 05 people feel about Habbo and when you get to that stage feeling about something then its probably time to leave.

If there are bits you don't like then you can try and change it and I really hope that is what will happen with the council :o I don't think it will work but its worth giving it a chance because alot of you say that the feedback gets ignored so this will be your chance to make sure you get a response from management.

[GommeInc]

As an easy solution for dealing with aurgments, just let people have em. If people want to aurgue and there not runing someone elses thread, why the hell shouldnt they be able to? Its only a problem if it leaves the thread and you get trolling else where.
As for aurgments, i see nothing wrong with them.
Indeed, and clearly if there are arguments against Habbox, it kinda shows there is something wrong with it otherwise no arguments would occur.

[GoldenMerc]

Thats how most of the 01 - 05 people feel about Habbo and when you get to that stage feeling about something then its probably time to leave.

If there are bits you don't like then you can try and change it and I really hope that is what will happen with the council :o I don't think it will work but its worth giving it a chance because alot of you say that the feedback gets ignored so this will be your chance to make sure you get a response from management.
I still dont think it will, I persnally think Sierk needs to look and Habbox then look at whats changed since, I think the rep thing just ticked people but the thing is people compain every day so this is practically a daily ruitine

[jrh2002]

Indeed, and clearly if there are arguments against Habbox, it kinda shows there is something wrong with it otherwise no arguments would occur.

Not all people want to argue and why should they have somebody invade their thread and cause arguments? if its a good strong debate great but when it over steps that to cheap insults then something needs to be done.

You can't please everybody all of the time so what some people like some won't so there will alays be arguments no matter how stupid some peoples views are that cause the arguments.

[Catzsy]

It is? Who said? J1MI?


The GM and a couple of the AGMs have mentioned it to :)

Link:http://www.habboxforum.com/showpost.php?p=4326328&postcount=34

[Mentor]

Not all people want to argue and why should they have somebody invade their thread and causes arguments? if its a good strong debate great but when it over steps that to cheap insults then something needs to be done.

You can't please everybody all of the time so what some people like some won't so there will alays be arguments no matter how stupid some peoples views are that cause the arguments.
Im happy for a good augment to take place in my threads, and its happened before. Unless an augments detrimental to a thread i really dont see what problem there is with it. even if it is just cheep insults, hell whod waste any good insults on a web augment lol, the cheep ones are all we got :p

[Pat McGroin]

I agree with most of this thread, the way it's run needs to be looked at. The rules need looking at 100% because half are pointless and if I remember correctly, contradicting to what admins say is aloud. Half the staff are arrogant and crap.

It is? Who said? J1MI?

I was told by Josh that it was getting looked at again.

[Camy]

Possibly because they didn't have much to lose then?
Actually i suppose thats a good point, didnt think about that.
I'm trying to think of something else constructive to say, but i cant reli think of anything tbh.

[mousey]

Ive been visiting the forum since 05 and i have to say it was much better then.. not only rep but people have wreaked it in a ways all these people who think they know everytihng and are always right... Put it how it was or i tihnk you will suffer a significant loss

[GommeInc]

The GM and a couple of the AGMs have mentioned it to :)

Link:http://www.habboxforum.com/showpost.php?p=4326328&postcount=34

but we need to be able to monitor the reputation system
.... Why? You don't need to monitor it? If there is a problem, let the problems come to you. You don't have to look for the problems, which MAD suggests they are doing. The rep system could of easily been changed without having to resort to what they did. All they needed to do was make it harder to gain rep power from rep points/comments, like 1000 rep points per rep power, and you get one point of rep power per year. They seem to like making a big thing out of nothing it seems, and you can tell there are management issues... They do the silly thing, not the wise thing.

[Jamesy]

I agree, infact if I may add, I find many of the rules petty. Infract away for porn, racism and all the other nasty stuff. The filter can do it's job and we all get along fine. It almost feels like you have to think for 10 minutes before posting something because there is a meaning that could be taken the wrong way. The rules should be shortened, and made easier to understand without studying them for 3 days.


B14. Do not make threads titles which have no relevance to the actual post - Do not make thread with titles like "see this" or "something interesting" or something similar to these. Put a title which is relevant to the thread and not something completely different.is broken all the time, cliff hanger titles and UTT (undescriptive thread titles) happen all the time and annoy me for one.


B2. Don't post short or meaningless posts / spam - We don't want replies like "i dono" or "why" or "yeah". We have set the forum so that any message must contain at least 9 characters, do not try to get around this by adding meaningless characters.How old is that one? it's 4 characters at the moment I believe?


A15. It is not allowed to talk about adult subjects like making love / sleeping with somebody or sexual details in anyway - Because this forum is meant for people of all ages, and teenagers in particular, it is NOT allowed to talk about subjects that could be not suitable for younger members.Broken all the time, should remove this rule simply because if the thread is mature and on a serious issue it has no problem. AS stated in that rule, the forum is for all ages. So the older members who need advice on this stuff (ostinato is excellent by the way :)) should not because of younger members. Hypocritical there in my opinion.

So Back to my point, the rules need to be streamlined and relaxed. Not to allow us to roam free, but just so we can have a more relaxed and friendly atmosphere, instead of a Nazi Germany feeling.

[Mentor]

Just to point out i believe a while back, The teens and older members forum was (as its for older members) designated as not being fully encompassed by the A15 rule. So threads like that are allowed there.
Theres a stuck thread somewhere on there, for those forums specific rules and guidlines.

[JackHb]

I give Habbox Council a few months before it spirals out of control, the staff running it lose intrest and it disapears.

[jrh2002]

I agree, infact if I may add, I find many of the rules petty. Infract away for porn, racism and all the other nasty stuff. The filter can do it's job and we all get along fine. It almost feels like you have to think for 10 minutes before posting something because there is a meaning that could be taken the wrong way. The rules should be shortened, and made easier to understand without studying them for 3 days.

is broken all the time, cliff hanger titles and UTT (undescriptive thread titles) happen all the time and annoy me for one.

How old is that one? it's 4 characters at the moment I believe?

Broken all the time, should remove this rule simply because if the thread is mature and on a serious issue it has no problem. AS stated in that rule, the forum is for all ages. So the older members who need advice on this stuff (ostinato is excellent by the way :)) should not because of younger members. Hypocritical there in my opinion.

So Back to my point, the rules need to be streamlined and relaxed. Not to allow us to roam free, but just so we can have a more relaxed and friendly atmosphere, instead of a Nazi Germany feeling.

I have to agree some of the rules need sorting and especially the thread title one because that is really annoying and I dont even bother to read those threads now.

[Baving]

To me it feels that it was better around the times I was admin 05-6 (That is not to boast or anything).

I use to just come on, do the reputation reports, answer personal messages make some decisions and let the community get on with itself. There, in my opinion, is no need to have done 90% of the changes which have happened recently.

Interfering so dramatically with the community like it has been done is a bad way of approaching things. When big changes such as the reputation system are made a thread should be created to gather the communities view and not just 'management'. Remember the community are the people which come on the board and post, without the community the forum is buggered.

When I was a Super Moderator / Administrator I use to enjoy reading all the threads and personal messages which contained opinions. If I made a change which was wrong I would ask around for a solution (whether it be on the forum or a few people on messenger). You should always get a view / opinion from all sides.

I see no point in making a dramatic change if the community are not going to like it - after all they are the people who buy VIP and other features.

At the moment I feel that Habbox Forum is not taking user feedback serious enough. It seems that Management are to intent on making changes for the "better" without consulting users.

@ MAD - I suggest you take on board all user feedback. Come out of the shell a bit more and respect others views.

@ Sierk - Have a look on your website. I am not saying anything major is wrong however I don't think feedback is taken enough.

Any successful business, project, community, group etc in the Real World which interacts with the general public always has to gather user feedback. Take a business for example:


If a business makes a product and the consumer does not like it, they will cease to purchase it therefore the business will loose money. If they listen to feedback they are able to modify the product to the consumers liking (It may not suite everyone however you need to meet the vast majority).

How this relates to Habbox Forum..


If the vast majority do not like huge changes (Looks like the Rep system could be used as an example) then people will eventually leave.

Advice

Before making any major changes just make a simple thread outlining the idea and ask for views, even add a poll if required.

There is no need to show major "authority" in an online community. Forum Administration is not all about showing authority.

[Kardan]

HxF was better around 04/05. Friendly staff that went round posting in threads, no corruption within the staff team (I'm not saying there is now, because I don't know of any, but I know some that took place) and it was a clsoe knit community.
Now we just have a forum full of spammers.

[Baving]

Now we just have a forum full of spammers.

Yep, something needs to be done about it.

[jrh2002]

HxF was better around 04/05. Friendly staff that went round posting in threads, no corruption within the staff team (I'm not saying there is now, because I don't know of any, but I know some that took place) and it was a clsoe knit community.
Now we just have a forum full of spammers.

I love posting in other forums but over the past few weeks/month I have rarely made it out of the feedback forum.
Alot of people have mentioned to me that HxF has lost its community spirit because of the size it has got and thats probably right.

[Kardan]

I love posting in other forums but over the past few weeks/month I have rarely made it out of the feedback forum.
Alot of people have mentioned to me that HxF has lost its community spirit because of the size it has got and thats probably right.

I agree, I know the forum is for everyone, but we have to many immature members for the mature members to enjoy this forum.

[Mentor]

I love posting in other forums but over the past few weeks/month I have rarely made it out of the feedback forum.
Alot of people have mentioned to me that HxF has lost its community spirit because of the size it has got and thats probably right.

I think its more the lack of presents on the forum. The majority of the staff (not all) dont really USE the forum itself all that much. Its quite rare you come across posts or topics from members of staff these day. There are a select few who do turn up occasionally, but the vast majority ive never once seen post outside the feedback forums.

I think thats the big difference, since back in 04/05, you had Jack/Seacat and quite a few other staff who genuinely used the forum rather than just taking rolls as staff. They posted topics, engaged in discussion and posted ALOT.
there's no staff like that any more.
Thats why there's this divide between the staff and members, Way back when most the staff were people who used the forum, They were people you talked to and saw around the place. It seemed like staff were picked from users.
I just dont see that any more, none of the people i see around the forum ever seem to become staff, and the staff never seem to act as members, they simply cease using the forum. The few ex staff members around today are the exceptions to this rule, but noticeably, there no longer staff.

[Jamesy]

I have to agree, even on large forums like Facepunch the owner, garry (guy who made garrys mod [duh]) posts and makes threads to a community of over 100,000.

Surely to a community of 400-500 it's not that difficult...

management seems to be one large committee, just busying and nitpicking instead of just sitting back.

A wise man once said to me, you admins are not supposed to be the police, you are to be friendly and give guidance. So isntead of making new petty rules and pointless changes(rep wasn't totally pointless, just exectuted in the wrong way) you should sit back and ideally never have to admin at all :)

edit: Hi j1mI :D

[Adzeh]

I think its more the lack of presents on the forum. The majority of the staff (not all) dont really USE the forum itself all that much. Its quite rare you come across posts or topics from members of staff these day. There are a select few who do turn up occasionally, but the vast majority ive never once seen post outside the feedback forums.

I think thats the big difference, since back in 04/05, you had Jack/Seacat and quite a few other staff who genuinely used the forum rather than just taking rolls as staff. They posted topics, engaged in discussion and posted ALOT.
there's no staff like that any more.
Thats why there's this divide between the staff and members, Way back when most the staff were people who used the forum, They were people you talked to and saw around the place. It seemed like staff were picked from users.
I just dont see that any more, none of the people i see around the forum ever seem to become staff, and the staff never seem to act as members, they simply cease using the forum. The few ex staff members around today are the exceptions to this rule, but noticeably, there no longer staff.

I know that ---MAD--- does post a lot around the forum (last time I noticed), but in truth, the more high ranking staff spend so much of their time in this feedback forum, and the complaints forum, that we simply don't have the time to access the rest of the forum, make meaningful posts, and carry out the rest of our jobs.

I know that I can come on this forum and, after sorting anything that needs doing in my departmnt, my attention will focus directly on to this forum (after a quick glance at the announcements) because I know for a fact that there is going to be some new debate about how Habbox is crap and the management are corrupt that will take forever to read through and make some sort of post in.

In my honest opinion I feel that the majority of the staff feel scared (for want of a better word) of posting on the forum, because they feel that they are going to be targetted by other users idiotic and confrontational nature, and simply find that they would rather post in the staff sections and save themselves the aggro. Most of our staff members are active at least somewhere on this forum, however the majority mainly stick to the staff only sections; whether this is a personal choice, or a pressured choice, is there to be decided.

[Digital]

This forum used to be great back in the day.... now its went down hill the mods give out infractions for fun and most of the good old funny members have left :|

[Adzeh]

This forum used to be great back in the day.... now its went down hill the mods give out infractions for fun and most of the good old funny members have left :|

I disagree completely, we still have a lot of members who can always be relied upon to offer a funny, meaningful, interesting, or well written post. I think it is a bit extreme to suggest our moderators give infractions for fun since most of the time, as with any job that requires a decision making process, they are 100% sure in their own mind that a rule is being broken.

If a moderator 100% believes that he or she is giving an infraction/warning to a user because they have broken the rules, then I have no quarrels with that. If the infraction turns out to be given wrongfully and is reversed, then I believe it is down to the forum management and super moderators to instruct as to why the infraction was reversed, and educate the moderators so that they do not make the same mistake again, and understand the rules better.

I am a firm believer in education and strongly believe that the best way to get desired results (in any situation, not just on this forum) is to go through any problems with the person in question, tell them where and why they went wrong, and instruct them on how to make the decision a lot more valid next time around. In my opinion there isn't enough of this taking place, and I am now convinced myself that I need to raise this point with the general mangement.

[nvrspk4]

Call me what you will, but I believe that anyone who tries to compare this forum to the '04-'05 forum is simply comparing apples and bananas. The forum in the earlier years may very well have been better (actually it was a lot more fun, I know that personally.) However the reason that the forum is no longer so community oriented is because of the size its grown and the changing userbase.

In 2004 we had a much smaller community with a much friendlier and mature user base. As the years progressed, our user base has been augmented with large members of petty people, bullies, and people obsessed with virtual property. It is because of this, in my opinion, that what Habbox is has come to change. Now, it may not be the small community where everyone knew everyone and barely fought, however it's not all lost. But I think the view of some members have made it seem that way.

Many members who posted on this thread have posted constructively. However many of the complaints nowadays are really verging on ridiculous. You may think the forum is more complicated with its rules today (and it is) but the complication of its rules are actually in favor of the members. There was one time when I PMd a Super Moderator to ban somebody and he was like, well since its the first and two warnings but one infraction as opposed to two infractions and one warning and he listed off all these special cases that merit a certain ban. Due to the demanding nature of our current userbase, our moderators have to memorize and judge based on instructions that resemble a pilots manual, so many dials and switches and so much to remember.

Its quite frankly ridiculous. Next time you think the rules here resemble "Nazi Germany" and that we are too harsh now, consider this:

On the 2004 forum, members were consistently banned for two fairly rude posts, especially if they insulted staff. On the 2006 forum they would be warned once and infracted once, possibly infracted twice.
On the 2004 forum, members were often banned without a reason, a reason was emailed to them on request, and appeals were much less forgiving than they are today.
On the 2004 forum, members has absolutely 0 warning as to how many times they had broken the rules. The only way to know, and what Admins based their bans on, was the number of posts they had had edited. All the posts they had ever had edited. So a search was needed to figure out how many times they had broken the rules.
On the 2005 forum (I think it was 05) we used Usernotes. With usernotes, users had even LESS of a clue what was going on, because all of a user's rulebreaks were kept on a record that was not accessible to the user. Furthermore, moderators often weren't allowed to disclose the contents of a person's usernotes to that user. Bans would come out of nowhere, for 18 usernotes, 12 of which the user probably had no clue about.
On the 2004-2005 forum, usernotes and edits never expired. Everything you ever did in your Habbox career was considered. No two month rule.
On the 2004-2005 forum, management would simply ban troublemakers, not indulge them.

The years may be off, but the content is right, cause that's from personal exerience. The rules aren't stricter now. They're more complicated to provide more loopholes for members.

The amount members expect is immense. They expect a staff that is solely committed to making a perfect forum for them, with staff enjoyment of their job as a secondary. Habbox is not a business. Habbox is a venture for fun where its run by volunteers who give up their time to keep the community they love running. But often the community they keep running doesn't appreciate a single damned thing they do, and they're not even able to enjoy what they keep going. I could rant, and I would have a long rant, and I'd feel better, but in all honesty a rant would accomplish nothing. So, I'm not going to rant.


Does this not show that Habbox has changed so much its unlikeable?

If its completely unlikeable I am not really sure why you're here. If you have absolutely no interest in Habbox and think its a lost cause, I'm sure you could better spend your time running your own site ;) I know how much you love to criticise us but come now.


Then Habbox should make a little bit harder to gain rep power from rep points, like they did a year or so ago. Like 1000 rep = 1 bit of rep power, and 1 year = 1 bit of rep power etc.

That's what we did, 1000 rep = 1 rep power. We're, as has been said, looking at the other numbers again.


As an easy solution for dealing with aurgments, just let people have em. If people want to aurgue and there not runing someone elses thread, why the hell shouldnt they be able to? Its only a problem if it leaves the thread and you get trolling else where.
As for aurgments, i see nothing wrong with them.

I agree with you. I love arguments. And you could definitely have arguments. The thing is, those arguments have to be mature, and as you said not ruin someone else's thread. No matter what you say, the vast majority of this forum cannot have a mature argument without it spiraling out of control. Well, if not vast majority, at least the majority. It's a shame that there can't be civilized arguments, but its really because of the situation.


.... Why? You don't need to monitor it? If there is a problem, let the problems come to you. You don't have to look for the problems, which MAD suggests they are doing. The rep system could of easily been changed without having to resort to what they did. All they needed to do was make it harder to gain rep power from rep points/comments, like 1000 rep points per rep power, and you get one point of rep power per year. They seem to like making a big thing out of nothing it seems, and you can tell there are management issues... They do the silly thing, not the wise thing.

Your changes to the rep system seem similar? Are you saying that the numbers were too high or are you suggesting a different approach? (Not trying to be confrontational, I'm genuinely trying to understand :P)

Also, the hierarchy of the rep power and the bullying and *behind*-licking that came with it were major reasons why we were forced to make changes.


I give Habbox Council a few months before it spirals out of control, the staff running it lose intrest and it disapears.

I could see that happening, I give it a 50/50 chance. It depends how members react to it. There's a possibility they will actually recognize it, and there's a possibility that they'll forget it exists, or because every single thing they want hasn't been accomplished they might conclude that the council is ineffective.


I think its more the lack of presents on the forum. The majority of the staff (not all) dont really USE the forum itself all that much. Its quite rare you come across posts or topics from members of staff these day. There are a select few who do turn up occasionally, but the vast majority ive never once seen post outside the feedback forums.

I think thats the big difference, since back in 04/05, you had Jack/Seacat and quite a few other staff who genuinely used the forum rather than just taking rolls as staff. They posted topics, engaged in discussion and posted ALOT.
there's no staff like that any more.
Thats why there's this divide between the staff and members, Way back when most the staff were people who used the forum, They were people you talked to and saw around the place. It seemed like staff were picked from users.
I just dont see that any more, none of the people i see around the forum ever seem to become staff, and the staff never seem to act as members, they simply cease using the forum. The few ex staff members around today are the exceptions to this rule, but noticeably, there no longer staff.

Honestly, the reason is because the environment for staff outside of the protective enclave of the staff forums is less than welcoming. Mods are watched with a wary eye just as most of the administrative and management team are. The members seem to think that we belong working, not using the forum. There are occasions when I've made posts, and a member has taken it upon himself to tell me that I should be adding VIP instead. I would love to be able to engage in conversation more, however with the many many complaints I have to wade through I often don't have the time to post in the topics I would like to. Thus I get most of my debate in here :P Otherwise I would probably camp out in the debates forum for a good long time :eusa_danc

I should mention that while I make vast generalizations about our members, I do have a great amount of respect for some members, and its usually the ones who post intelligently. To be perfectly honest, I respect you if you speak in English, speak rationally, respect others, and make points because you believe them, not just to be annoying. That's really what I base my opinions of people on. I just wanted to clarify that I'm not calling all of you argument-mongering idiots :P



PS: Oh yeah your comment about less users is totally off, sorry to burst your bubble :P January 3rd 2008 was the third most popular day on the forum since June '07. And users are at their average levels. (I sort of have the advantage of ACP Stats, so I guess I kind of cheated :P)

[GoldenMerc]

Im on it cos of the members actually, Because i get use the web design forums ect.. ;) Thanks for your intrest in that :)

[Mentor]

I know that ---MAD--- does post a lot around the forum (last time I noticed), but in truth, the more high ranking staff spend so much of their time in this feedback forum, and the complaints forum, that we simply don't have the time to access the rest of the forum, make meaningful posts, and carry out the rest of our jobs.
I'll admit, mad is one of the few staff who does appear to post on the forum, not alot outside this forum but i have occasionally seen him. Secondly its not really even his job to do that, he's general manager, that's the forum managers job. Granted he does seem the micro managing type, but when that builds up to more work than he likes, hes kinda brining it on himself.

Delegation isnt so well done these days. Secondly this excuse isnt really to well suited for excusing others, since the great majority of the none posting staff rarely post in here, nore have any jobs to do with such activity's.


I know that I can come on this forum and, after sorting anything that needs doing in my departmnt, my attention will focus directly on to this forum (after a quick glance at the announcements) because I know for a fact that there is going to be some new debate about how Habbox is crap and the management are corrupt that will take forever to read through and make some sort of post in.
Well technically you dont have to, your not forum management, your site management? Im not entirely sure what the forum staff actually have to do if this kinda thing is seen as your responsibility? Your supposed to be looking after the site (the news primarily im guessing)
Not this forum. Not unless you want to at least.


In my honest opinion I feel that the majority of the staff feel scared (for want of a better word) of posting on the forum, because they feel that they are going to be targetted by other users idiotic and confrontational nature, and simply find that they would rather post in the staff sections and save themselves the aggro.
Maybe spineless people who never used the forum arnt the best people to employ as staff then?
Staff for forums are normally picked from people on that forum. Usually from users who are respected and relatively well known on the forum (this is true of forums MUCH larger than habbox). That used to be how it appeared here. Staff really were just members who'd been given more authority to look after the forum. They did because they liked the forum.
If you pick a big forum figure as staff, or at least a big forum user, people will already know them, people will support them, there already peoples friends and theres no way there gonna be scared to use the forum.
If there scared, which requires a massive amount of outer-touchness with the forums (to the existent its like they never even used em before) there really not the sort of people i think are gonna make good staff.
Good staff are the strong community figures. They also bridge the gap between staff and users so theres no real disputes.
The fact habbox needs a council now to do this shows how bad this has a really gotten?

All you staff, ARE MEMBERS, you used this forum before you were staff, you likely had friends etc before you were staff? Why now do you seem to think your so different?


Most of our staff members are active at least somewhere on this forum, however the majority mainly stick to the staff only sections; whether this is a personal choice, or a pressured choice, is there to be decided.
Staff only sections arnt for using a forum, there for running it. Why bother giving your own time to work on a community your not even part of? Nore, it seems even want to be part of. No wonder there's no community spirt anymore....



PS: Oh yeah your comment about less users is totally off, sorry to burst your bubble :P January 3rd 2008 was the third most popular day on the forum since June '07. And users are at their average levels. (I sort of have the advantage of ACP Stats, so I guess I kind of cheated :P)
Id always thought it was still growing anyway so its no news to me. My main concern is the value of the members is far lower. Out of the online people these days, there are far less with anything worthwhile to say in my opinion. Quality's decreased dramatically, even if quantity's increased.

[Favourtism]

In my honest opinion I feel that the majority of the staff feel scared (for want of a better word) of posting on the forum, because they feel that they are going to be targetted by other users idiotic and confrontational nature, and simply find that they would rather post in the staff sections and save themselves the aggro. Most of our staff members are active at least somewhere on this forum, however the majority mainly stick to the staff only sections; whether this is a personal choice, or a pressured choice, is there to be decided.
I personally hardly ever go in the spam forum because I always get flamed for being a bad mod or people constantly so called correcting my name. It just saves the trouble really. I am sure lots of people feel the same way about different sections but really unless they are part of the ''spam group'' then knowonw can safey adventure into the spamforum :O


I disagree completely, we still have a lot of members who can always be relied upon to offer a funny, meaningful, interesting, or well written post. I think it is a bit extreme to suggest our moderators give infractions for fun since most of the time, as with any job that requires a decision making process, they are 100% sure in their own mind that a rule is being broken.

If a moderator 100% believes that he or she is giving an infraction/warning to a user because they have broken the rules, then I have no quarrels with that. If the infraction turns out to be given wrongfully and is reversed, then I believe it is down to the forum management and super moderators to instruct as to why the infraction was reversed, and educate the moderators so that they do not make the same mistake again, and understand the rules better.

I am a firm believer in education and strongly believe that the best way to get desired results (in any situation, not just on this forum) is to go through any problems with the person in question, tell them where and why they went wrong, and instruct them on how to make the decision a lot more valid next time around. In my opinion there isn't enough of this taking place, and I am now convinced myself that I need to raise this point with the general mangement.
I think that most mods , especially newer mods, ask supermods if they are not 100% percent sure. After a month or two they pretty much know most of it anyway but it's good to know that the supermods are looking out for you. Everyone makes mistakes though. You just have to learn from them. I have suggested each mod has a Smod tutor but J1MI said each Mod should feel like they can go to any mod which is a valid point but your specified tuor could well tutor you whereas otherwise they would have to deal with everyone etc.


Call me what you will, but I believe that anyone who tries to compare this forum to the '04-'05 forum is simply comparing apples and bananas. The forum in the earlier years may very well have been better (actually it was a lot more fun, I know that personally.) However the reason that the forum is no longer so community oriented is because of the size its grown and the changing userbase.

In 2004 we had a much smaller community with a much friendlier and mature user base. As the years progressed, our user base has been augmented with large members of petty people, bullies, and people obsessed with virtual property. It is because of this, in my opinion, that what Habbox is has come to change. Now, it may not be the small community where everyone knew everyone and barely fought, however it's not all lost. But I think the view of some members have made it seem that way.

Many members who posted on this thread have posted constructively. However many of the complaints nowadays are really verging on ridiculous. You may think the forum is more complicated with its rules today (and it is) but the complication of its rules are actually in favor of the members. There was one time when I PMd a Super Moderator to ban somebody and he was like, well since its the first and two warnings but one infraction as opposed to two infractions and one warning and he listed off all these special cases that merit a certain ban. Due to the demanding nature of our current userbase, our moderators have to memorize and judge based on instructions that resemble a pilots manual, so many dials and switches and so much to remember.

Its quite frankly ridiculous. Next time you think the rules here resemble "Nazi Germany" and that we are too harsh now, consider this:

On the 2004 forum, members were consistently banned for two fairly rude posts, especially if they insulted staff. On the 2006 forum they would be warned once and infracted once, possibly infracted twice.
On the 2004 forum, members were often banned without a reason, a reason was emailed to them on request, and appeals were much less forgiving than they are today.
On the 2004 forum, members has absolutely 0 warning as to how many times they had broken the rules. The only way to know, and what Admins based their bans on, was the number of posts they had had edited. All the posts they had ever had edited. So a search was needed to figure out how many times they had broken the rules.
On the 2005 forum (I think it was 05) we used Usernotes. With usernotes, users had even LESS of a clue what was going on, because all of a user's rulebreaks were kept on a record that was not accessible to the user. Furthermore, moderators often weren't allowed to disclose the contents of a person's usernotes to that user. Bans would come out of nowhere, for 18 usernotes, 12 of which the user probably had no clue about.
On the 2004-2005 forum, usernotes and edits never expired. Everything you ever did in your Habbox career was considered. No two month rule.
On the 2004-2005 forum, management would simply ban troublemakers, not indulge them.
The years may be off, but the content is right, cause that's from personal exerience. The rules aren't stricter now. They're more complicated to provide more loopholes for members.

The amount members expect is immense. They expect a staff that is solely committed to making a perfect forum for them, with staff enjoyment of their job as a secondary. Habbox is not a business. Habbox is a venture for fun where its run by volunteers who give up their time to keep the community they love running. But often the community they keep running doesn't appreciate a single damned thing they do, and they're not even able to enjoy what they keep going. I could rant, and I would have a long rant, and I'd feel better, but in all honesty a rant would accomplish nothing. So, I'm not going to rant.



If its completely unlikeable I am not really sure why you're here. If you have absolutely no interest in Habbox and think its a lost cause, I'm sure you could better spend your time running your own site ;) I know how much you love to criticise us but come now.



That's what we did, 1000 rep = 1 rep power. We're, as has been said, looking at the other numbers again.



I agree with you. I love arguments. And you could definitely have arguments. The thing is, those arguments have to be mature, and as you said not ruin someone else's thread. No matter what you say, the vast majority of this forum cannot have a mature argument without it spiraling out of control. Well, if not vast majority, at least the majority. It's a shame that there can't be civilized arguments, but its really because of the situation.



Your changes to the rep system seem similar? Are you saying that the numbers were too high or are you suggesting a different approach? (Not trying to be confrontational, I'm genuinely trying to understand :P)

Also, the hierarchy of the rep power and the bullying and *behind*-licking that came with it were major reasons why we were forced to make changes.



I could see that happening, I give it a 50/50 chance. It depends how members react to it. There's a possibility they will actually recognize it, and there's a possibility that they'll forget it exists, or because every single thing they want hasn't been accomplished they might conclude that the council is ineffective.



Honestly, the reason is because the environment for staff outside of the protective enclave of the staff forums is less than welcoming. Mods are watched with a wary eye just as most of the administrative and management team are. The members seem to think that we belong working, not using the forum. There are occasions when I've made posts, and a member has taken it upon himself to tell me that I should be adding VIP instead. I would love to be able to engage in conversation more, however with the many many complaints I have to wade through I often don't have the time to post in the topics I would like to. Thus I get most of my debate in here :P Otherwise I would probably camp out in the debates forum for a good long time :eusa_danc

I should mention that while I make vast generalizations about our members, I do have a great amount of respect for some members, and its usually the ones who post intelligently. To be perfectly honest, I respect you if you speak in English, speak rationally, respect others, and make points because you believe them, not just to be annoying. That's really what I base my opinions of people on. I just wanted to clarify that I'm not calling all of you argument-mongering idiots :P



PS: Oh yeah your comment about less users is totally off, sorry to burst your bubble :P January 3rd 2008 was the third most popular day on the forum since June '07. And users are at their average levels. (I sort of have the advantage of ACP Stats, so I guess I kind of cheated :P)

Thanks for making me read that -cri

For the red/bold text I agree. Like Jrh has said before, if it is so bad then why are you still here.

I have been also targetted similar to you before when posting going mad at me saying I should be sorting out a thread in soing so section. Staff are permitted to use the forum aswell, like someone said its voluntery

Excuse my spelling as I just woke up (:() and have a cracking headache.

[Mentor]

I personally hardly ever go in the spam forum because I always get flamed for being a bad mod or people constantly so called correcting my name. It just saves the trouble really. I am sure lots of people feel the same way about different sections but really unless they are part of the ''spam group'' then knowonw can safey adventure into the spamforum :O
Urmmm no offence, but looking at your posts in there, you dont come across in any better light than they do o.0

[Favourtism]

Urmmm no offence, but looking at your posts in there, you dont come across in any better light than they do o.0
I havent offended anyone or been rude in there.

Early this morning I had a littlej oke with agesilaus by posting a spam thread which is what spam is for but it did not break any rules.

[le harry]

I havent offended anyone or been rude in there.

No, of course you wouldn't dare.

[Mentor]

I havent offended anyone or been rude in there.

Early this morning I had a littlej oke with agesilaus by posting a spam thread which is what spam is for but it did not break any rules.
Nore is anyone else in there... O.o

[GommeInc]

Many members who posted on this thread have posted constructively. However many of the complaints nowadays are really verging on ridiculous. You may think the forum is more complicated with its rules today (and it is) but the complication of its rules are actually in favor of the members. There was one time when I PMd a Super Moderator to ban somebody and he was like, well since its the first and two warnings but one infraction as opposed to two infractions and one warning and he listed off all these special cases that merit a certain ban. Due to the demanding nature of our current userbase, our moderators have to memorize and judge based on instructions that resemble a pilots manual, so many dials and switches and so much to remember.
The notes system back in 2004 would of been better today. The infractions system really is for a small community. Also, I am sure confusing the snot out of members is member cruelty...



Its quite frankly ridiculous. Next time you think the rules here resemble "Nazi Germany" and that we are too harsh now, consider this:

On the 2004 forum, members were consistently banned for two fairly rude posts, especially if they insulted staff. On the 2006 forum they would be warned once and infracted once, possibly infracted twice.
On the 2004 forum, members were often banned without a reason, a reason was emailed to them on request, and appeals were much less forgiving than they are today.
On the 2004 forum, members has absolutely 0 warning as to how many times they had broken the rules. The only way to know, and what Admins based their bans on, was the number of posts they had had edited. All the posts they had ever had edited. So a search was needed to figure out how many times they had broken the rules.
On the 2005 forum (I think it was 05) we used Usernotes. With usernotes, users had even LESS of a clue what was going on, because all of a user's rulebreaks were kept on a record that was not accessible to the user. Furthermore, moderators often weren't allowed to disclose the contents of a person's usernotes to that user. Bans would come out of nowhere, for 18 usernotes, 12 of which the user probably had no clue about.
On the 2004-2005 forum, usernotes and edits never expired. Everything you ever did in your Habbox career was considered. No two month rule.
On the 2004-2005 forum, management would simply ban troublemakers, not indulge them.
The above is aload of rubbish. The infraction system never existed in 2004... Before the infraction system was a much more direct and personal response using notes. The problem with the infraction system, which to be frank, causes more issues than it solves, is it shows you who infracted you and doesn't tell you a good enough reason other than "disruptive/rude behaviour." The note system didn't tell you that you were in trouble other than a PM which made it obvious, but the note system made it alot more easier to moderate users, because a moderator could look at names and there you have it, a list of notes detailing issues with the member (if any notes are available).

And if you got banned easily back then (which is still aload of rubbish), how comes myself, Seacat and JackHb are still members when we all were disruptive (granted JackHb and Seacat were staff)? Habbox Forum was far more laid back than it was today; staff could post freely about anything while now they're restricted to make any sort of humour in their posts because obviously you'll get infracted/told off, even when for example, a humourous, appropriate post is looked at as rude and inapproprite, when no one in the right mind would find it offensive, rude or inappropriate other than the moderators, administrators (if they still exist?) and super moderators who lack common sense and reasonability.


The years may be off, but the content is right, cause that's from personal exerience. The rules aren't stricter now. They're more complicated to provide more loopholes for members.
No, they're not stricted, they just make themselves seem stricter when infact they're there to look a mess. Most of the rules could be grouped to make one simpler rule which at the same time could be generalised and made simpler. Anything pointless = goes into the pointless post rules, anything rude goes into the swearing, behavioural rules. Why does Habbox have to make new rules out of rules that already existed?


The amount members expect is immense. They expect a staff that is solely committed to making a perfect forum for them, with staff enjoyment of their job as a secondary. Habbox is not a business. Habbox is a venture for fun where its run by volunteers who give up their time to keep the community they love running. But often the community they keep running doesn't appreciate a single damned thing they do, and they're not even able to enjoy what they keep going. I could rant, and I would have a long rant, and I'd feel better, but in all honesty a rant would accomplish nothing. So, I'm not going to rant.
Actually, a perfect community would have staff who's main focus is the forum and other staff who's main focus is the site. Looking over the staff list, most of the staff have 2 or more jobs which obviously means that staff member would need more time in their hands, time which doesn't and will not exist.

This is where Habbox fails most, there are too little staff with too much on their plate. All of the AGMs shouldn't be AGMs, because their jobs are not general. They should just keep to their Manager titles and with those titles (which seems to be the only reason they had AGM in the first place) is to have a say in Habbox matters. In the past, most managers had a say in Habbox issues anyway... If it effected their departments. Now you just get this heap of mess which seems to be staff roles and titles.

Have you looked into having a Role Manager elected? Because I'm sure one would be able to sort through this heap.


If its completely unlikeable I am not really sure why you're here. If you have absolutely no interest in Habbox and think its a lost cause, I'm sure you could better spend your time running your own site ;) I know how much you love to criticise us but come now.
As stated, something is clearly wrong with Habbox that it has become a bit less likeable and for most they only say that because they care about the community they have gotten themselves involved with for a long period of time. Most likeable things would have people criticising it because they have some interest, not all things are black and white :rolleyes:


That's what we did, 1000 rep = 1 rep power. We're, as has been said, looking at the other numbers again.
What was it before? Because I believe 500 rep points per rep power would be more adequate. 1000 is a big jump from wherever it was before.


Your changes to the rep system seem similar? Are you saying that the numbers were too high or are you suggesting a different approach? (Not trying to be confrontational, I'm genuinely trying to understand :P)
I used 1000 rep points per rep power because I was of the opinion loads of people had lot, must be my mistake. Maybe having it between 300-800 is better, like 500 rep ponts per rep power with the addition rep powers from posts and membership time?


Also, the hierarchy of the rep power and the bullying and *behind*-licking that came with it were major reasons why we were forced to make changes.
If people are bullied, they'll report it and then you can take action on the bully by removing a certain amount of rep and/or cautioning them, that is afterall what the caution member group is for... If that member makes a new account or moves to another one, caution them or PM with discussing why they are being total twits.


I could see that happening, I give it a 50/50 chance. It depends how members react to it. There's a possibility they will actually recognize it, and there's a possibility that they'll forget it exists, or because every single thing they want hasn't been accomplished they might conclude that the council is ineffective.
The rep council is just another feedback forum with elected members and new sub-forums, in my eyes :P


Honestly, the reason is because the environment for staff outside of the protective enclave of the staff forums is less than welcoming. Mods are watched with a wary eye just as most of the administrative and management team are. The members seem to think that we belong working, not using the forum. There are occasions when I've made posts, and a member has taken it upon himself to tell me that I should be adding VIP instead. I would love to be able to engage in conversation more, however with the many many complaints I have to wade through I often don't have the time to post in the topics I would like to. Thus I get most of my debate in here :P Otherwise I would probably camp out in the debates forum for a good long time :eusa_danc
You don't need to 'belong working,' granted you should be with the large amounts of jobs you seem to have given yourself:

VIPs Editor || Events Manager || Staff Editor || Habbox Help Desk Owner

You should really only have two of the titles... Look at the Help Desk for example, can you really say that is working? Give it to someone else OR quit as VIP Editor and Staff Editor, because Events Manager and Habbox Help Desk Owner pretty much go together. This isa nther reason Management get yelled at often, because they do everything and as you can see, can't do everything.



PS: Oh yeah your comment about less users is totally off, sorry to burst your bubble :P January 3rd 2008 was the third most popular day on the forum since June '07. And users are at their average levels. (I sort of have the advantage of ACP Stats, so I guess I kind of cheated :P)
Most are probably users who have registered a few times and left soon after, which looks like it to me.


I have been also targetted similar to you before when posting going mad at me saying I should be sorting out a thread in soing so section. Staff are permitted to use the forum aswell, like someone said its voluntery
I can't blame them to be honest, you make yourself seem like you have a strong say in the forum, which you don't. You give out pointless warnings which won't win you any respect and I have seen you be rude to members...

[Baving]

The notes system back in 2004 would of been better today. The infractions system really is for a small community. Also, I am sure confusing the snot out of members is member cruelty...


The above is aload of rubbish. The infraction system never existed in 2004... Before the infraction system was a much more direct and personal response using notes. The problem with the infraction system, which to be frank, causes more issues than it solves, is it shows you who infracted you and doesn't tell you a good enough reason other than "disruptive/rude behaviour." The note system didn't tell you that you were in trouble other than a PM which made it obvious, but the note system made it alot more easier to moderate users, because a moderator could look at names and there you have it, a list of notes detailing issues with the member (if any notes are available).

And if you got banned easily back then (which is still aload of rubbish), how comes myself, Seacat and JackHb are still members when we all were disruptive (granted JackHb and Seacat were staff)? Habbox Forum was far more laid back than it was today; staff could post freely about anything while now they're restricted to make any sort of humour in their posts because obviously you'll get infracted/told off, even when for example, a humourous, appropriate post is looked at as rude and inapproprite, when no one in the right mind would find it offensive, rude or inappropriate other than the moderators, administrators (if they still exist?) and super moderators who lack common sense and reasonability.


No, they're not stricted, they just make themselves seem stricter when infact they're there to look a mess. Most of the rules could be grouped to make one simpler rule which at the same time could be generalised and made simpler. Anything pointless = goes into the pointless post rules, anything rude goes into the swearing, behavioural rules. Why does Habbox have to make new rules out of rules that already existed?


Actually, a perfect community would have staff who's main focus is the forum and other staff who's main focus is the site. Looking over the staff list, most of the staff have 2 or more jobs which obviously means that staff member would need more time in their hands, time which doesn't and will not exist.

This is where Habbox fails most, there are too little staff with too much on their plate. All of the AGMs shouldn't be AGMs, because their jobs are not general. They should just keep to their Manager titles and with those titles (which seems to be the only reason they had AGM in the first place) is to have a say in Habbox matters. In the past, most managers had a say in Habbox issues anyway... If it effected their departments. Now you just get this heap of mess which seems to be staff roles and titles.

Have you looked into having a Role Manager elected? Because I'm sure one would be able to sort through this heap.


As stated, something is clearly wrong with Habbox that it has become a bit less likeable and for most they only say that because they care about the community they have gotten themselves involved with for a long period of time. Most likeable things would have people criticising it because they have some interest, not all things are black and white :rolleyes:


What was it before? Because I believe 500 rep points per rep power would be more adequate. 1000 is a big jump from wherever it was before.


I used 1000 rep points per rep power because I was of the opinion loads of people had lot, must be my mistake. Maybe having it between 300-800 is better, like 500 rep ponts per rep power with the addition rep powers from posts and membership time?


If people are bullied, they'll report it and then you can take action on the bully by removing a certain amount of rep and/or cautioning them, that is afterall what the caution member group is for... If that member makes a new account or moves to another one, caution them or PM with discussing why they are being total twits.


The rep council is just another feedback forum with elected members and new sub-forums, in my eyes :P


You don't need to 'belong working,' granted you should be with the large amounts of jobs you seem to have given yourself:

VIPs Editor || Events Manager || Staff Editor || Habbox Help Desk Owner

You should really only have two of the titles... Look at the Help Desk for example, can you really say that is working? Give it to someone else OR quit as VIP Editor and Staff Editor, because Events Manager and Habbox Help Desk Owner pretty much go together. This isa nther reason Management get yelled at often, because they do everything and as you can see, can't do everything.



Most are probably users who have registered a few times and left soon after, which looks like it to me.


I can't blame them to be honest, you make yourself seem like you have a strong say in the forum, which you don't. You give out pointless warnings which won't win you any respect and I have seen you be rude to members...

I agree completely.

[GommeInc]

Did you even read what I wrote Baving lol?

[Favourtism]

I can't blame them to be honest, you make yourself seem like you have a strong say in the forum, which you don't. You give out pointless warnings which won't win you any respect and I have seen you be rude to members...
Surely everyone in this forum seems lie they have a say in the forum and go mad at decisions etc. I have never been rude over a decision and if I disagree then I would post why.

If I gave out pointless warnings then they would be reversed. This month I haven't had any reversed too my knowledge which means your point is invalid.

[Baving]

Did you even read what I wrote Baving lol?

Yes I did

[GommeInc]

Surely everyone in this forum seems lie they have a say in the forum and go mad at decisions etc. I have never been rude over a decision and if I disagree then I would post why.

If I gave out pointless warnings then they would be reversed. This month I haven't had any reversed too my knowledge which means your point is invalid.
You have a say in the forum, but not a strong say. You speak down to people as if you were an administrator/part of management and agree with anything management says "/ If you disagree, you don't post by the looks of things...

And my point is still valid, because you have posted reversible infractions. I have had a quick look in the infractions forum every now and again and the last month was dreadful! Even I had an infraction which clearly made no sense to the administrator removing it aswell! It's as if you looked at the post and didn't take any notice of the posts it followed!

You're not a bad moderator, no one really can say that, but you certainly need to improve.

Also, my point about you thinking you're higher than others is in your signature. What can you really do with ban problems? If people want to report them, they'll report ban issues to a manager or someone with the proper controls...Not a forum moderator/news reporter :rolleyes: I think you talking about bans goes against a couple of staff and member rules, too...


Yes I did
Quick reader :S

[Favourtism]

I don't speak down on anyone. Neither do management. They are expressing their opinions in a proffesional manor and that is all. I don't have a strong say but I have as much as you or someone else.

Yes I have had infractions reversed everyone mod has. I am saying that you can only improve and that is what I have done by issuing only infractions that are truly needed. I was quite bad regarding reversed but like you said to improve and in that aspect I have. Lots of Mods havr those links in their sigs and its helping members rather than posting lots of threads saying why am I banned you could just say use the link in my signature etc.

Anyway, ths thread isn't about me so can we keep it on topic because I am sure you want to express your views regarding other matters.


You have a say in the forum, but not a strong say. You speak down to people as if you were an administrator/part of management and agree with anything management says "/ If you disagree, you don't post by the looks of things...

And my point is still valid, because you have posted reversible infractions. I have had a quick look in the infractions forum every now and again and the last month was dreadful! Even I had an infraction which clearly made no sense to the administrator removing it aswell! It's as if you looked at the post and didn't take any notice of the posts it followed!

You're not a bad moderator, no one really can say that, but you certainly need to improve.

Also, my point about you thinking you're higher than others is in your signature. What can you really do with ban problems? If people want to report them, they'll report ban issues to a manager or someone with the proper controls...Not a forum moderator/news reporter :rolleyes: I think you talking about bans goes against a couple of staff and member rules, too...


Quick reader :S

[le harry]

I don't speak down on anyone. Neither do management. They are expressing their opinions in a proffesional manor and that is all. I don't have a strong say but I have as much as you or someone else.

Yes I have had infractions reversed everyone mod has. I am saying that you can only improve and that is what I have done by issuing only infractions that are truly needed. I was quite bad regarding reversed but like you said to improve and in that aspect I have. Lots of Mods havr those links in their sigs and its helping members rather than posting lots of threads saying why am I banned you could just say use the link in my signature etc.

i think a majority of warnings / infractions you've issued me have been reversed lol

[Catzsy]

The most fun time I had on Habbox was when Baving, Seacat, Joshuar,
Nvrspk4, Barkseh and A4AOwen were all here but its pretty subjective really.

Its horses for courses - I did feel it was much more laid back and Laissez Faire
then when staff did not take their jobs quite so seriously although J1mi seems to have fun with the members lately. Two types of staff work for Habbox, basically. The first type are pretty laid back and do it for their desire to make it a fun place and to make sure that the members are in a safe and happy environment to do it. The second type because they like being in a position of authority and power and like it more hierarchical, rank orienatated, tightly organised and structured although hopefully they still retain their desire to make Habbox a good forum

Which is right? Well we all have our different preferences. I do believe in the infraction system - used properly it is the best way to stop abuse and bullying on the forum. Members also know exactly what they are supposed to have done and can challenge it if needs be. Also the 2 month limit was a great improvement. The infraction system virtually cuts out abuse of moderation power against the members without reparation.

[GoldenMerc]

I agree, Well before baving became a mod with still good, I think since him and Paula left its been *****, Sorry management + HxL but no show was funnier than Paul and Baving, And the tub sessions with 8f8,baving,paul :'(

[Paulio]

Lol it's cool that you liked Baving n me but we didn't do much tbh lol. Tbh there will always be people who love you and hate you when you're Habbox Management because some people agree with what you do and some people don't. It's like polatics!

[GoldenMerc]

Soz but it was a amusing few months.

[Catzsy]

Lol it's cool that you liked Baving n me but we didn't do much tbh lol. Tbh there will always be people who love you and hate you when you're Habbox Management because some people agree with what you do and some people don't. It's like polatics!

Well yes indeed you, Baving and Seacat let the staff get on with it. There was no quota of mod logs, reports or hierachy as such - you knew when a mod was doing okay or not and told us if we had done something wrong but were always there when we needed to ask something and guided us when we were new. Can't ask for more than that as far as I am concerned.

[JackHb]

In my honest opinion I feel that the majority of the staff feel scared (for want of a better word) of posting on the forum, because they feel that they are going to be targetted by other users idiotic and confrontational nature, and simply find that they would rather post in the staff sections and save themselves the aggro. Most of our staff members are active at least somewhere on this forum, however the majority mainly stick to the staff only sections; whether this is a personal choice, or a pressured choice, is there to be decided.

If staff are scared to post then that is a BIG problem.
Managment should stand up for there staff, I know i go on alot about "back in the day" but its because I reckon the forum was a hell of a lot better back then and it still could be like that now. Management used to stand up for there staff and staff used to have a laugh.

And I can't remember who said about how its grown, yes the forum has grown its gained 10,000 more members as I remember it having 20,000 when I was here. Yet how many of them new 10,000 members are active? As I still see a lot of the same names popping up with join dates such as 2004,2005 etc.

It has nothing to do with the size of the forum that it has lost its community spirit, it is down to management and organisation.
I am not blaming current managment or anyone in particular.
Also its down to members, A lot of members who are on the forum now do no good for the forum and should be banned, yeah sarcasm etc is alright but not in every post. Its like they are on this permament puberty moody phase its like f off lol.

And like Catzy said with the 2 different types of staff, the staff should be working here because they enjoy it and find it fun. Power is nothing at the end of the day, as soon as seacat left and all the other regular staff I worked with, i decided to leave as it lost its fun-ness. I worked here because it was fun, we used to have a right laugh.

The infractions system needs to be scrapped ASAP imo, what a pile of crap it is. It does no good apart from pushes members and the staff/forum apart from each other.
Bring back the good old user notes and hire more than 8 moderators to mod this forum! :P

[The Professor]

I agree that the infractions system is pretty useless and does next to nothing to show users where they're going wrong.It also gives the admins/smods (whoever deals with it) far more work to do, especially as they say they get little to no time to enjoy their forum. It is pretty clear when a forum member needs to be banned: when they spam/make offensive posts all of the time. A personal written warning should be sent to the user by the moderator to explain where they went wrong. If they ignore the warning it is clear that they have no regard for the forum rules, and deserve a ban. Waiting until they have a ridiculous amount of infractions is silly imo.

[Jamesy]

Agree with Catzy on the staff. Jrh is excellent imn my opinion, he says what he thinks not what they want him to. I commented on the rules, he says "fair enough, I would change some too"

---MAD---, or any other of the second type of management, would just say "the rules are for you to follow"

So great respect for jrh, and even J1mI goes into the spam forum and posts.

Staff should not feel scared, and if they are confronted off topic they should just temporaraly ban them. Feedback is confrotation sometimes too, but if it is structed well it should be allowed.

"omgz you suck" should not be, staff run the forums and should be able to post wherever, the fact as has been said they hide away in the staff forums doesn't say much about the commitment to the forum.

[VPSwow]

I disagree with a lot of the staff issues however this is my opinion. Most staff who i see (Moderator) wide do have fun with the members, and especially at night in the spam sections when the forum is more calm. If we didnt have the idiotic users that constantly bully other members, abuse the forum and post pornography on the forum. The forum has changed a lot because now they have a few chances before they get banned or before a SMOD has the chance to Ban them because i believe they have to write reports.

If we didnt have all these trouble causes then the Moderators would be more friendly and have more time to talk to its members. Especially when we get agro because we have issued an infraction that they dont agree with or even just because they like complaining. There is a thread for this and over 50% of the time these are reported they are fine. All staff slip up some times and thats part of life.

[Jamesy]

I disagree with a lot of the staff issues however this is my opinion. Most staff who i see (Moderator) wide do have fun with the members, and especially at night in the spam sections when the forum is more calm. If we didnt have the idiotic users that constantly bully other members, abuse the forum and post pornography on the forum. The forum has changed a lot because now they have a few chances before they get banned or before a SMOD has the chance to Ban them because i believe they have to write reports.

If we didnt have all these trouble causes then the Moderators would be more friendly and have more time to talk to its members. Especially when we get agro because we have issued an infraction that they dont agree with or even just because they like complaining. There is a thread for this and over 50% of the time these are reported they are fine. All staff slip up some times and thats part of life.

I have to say I'm sorry if I have got the wrong end of the stick, the trouble for most members is they can't see what goes on behind the scenes. We don't know all the hassle and agro you get from either management and logs or other members. By the sound of the logs and the reports it makes it sound terribly tedious to do a simple job.

[GommeInc]

Lol it's cool that you liked Baving n me but we didn't do much tbh lol. Tbh there will always be people who love you and hate you when you're Habbox Management because some people agree with what you do and some people don't. It's like polatics!
True, but back in the past people didn't hate you for being management. If they have a good idea, they'll level and weigh up the good and the bad and make it obvious why it is better to have, for example, the infraction system than keep the notes system. Now they just chuck out new features and changes with very, very little thought.

[VPSwow]

I have to say I'm sorry if I have got the wrong end of the stick, the trouble for most members is they can't see what goes on behind the scenes. We don't know all the hassle and agro you get from either management and logs or other members. By the sound of the logs and the reports it makes it sound terribly tedious to do a simple job.

The management work with us not against us, we usually get comments especially by J1mi and Elkaa to remind us it is not all about infractions and logs. When it comes to our reports, we are not put in groups of whoever has given the most infractions out are the best. Infact it is the total oposite. Management check a whole lot of things before even considering to complain to us. In my past i have only ever seen possitive and constructive comments that are deffinatly achievable without going around the forum handing out infractions willy-nilly. However we do seem to get a lot of agro either in the posts or PM or even users editing our edits with insults towards us, just for doing our job. I think the logs and infractions are more for us so we know if to improve on reversed infractions ect and to see where we have done good.

I do not mind if people have a constructive argument against why the infraction was unfair because that shows maturity but when i get replies sayin "ooh u noob thats well unfair u *****" ect it makes me wonder why we have to put up with it.

[GommeInc]

I disagree with a lot of the staff issues however this is my opinion. Most staff who i see (Moderator) wide do have fun with the members, and especially at night in the spam sections when the forum is more calm. If we didnt have the idiotic users that constantly bully other members, abuse the forum and post pornography on the forum. The forum has changed a lot because now they have a few chances before they get banned or before a SMOD has the chance to Ban them because i believe they have to write reports.

If we didnt have all these trouble causes then the Moderators would be more friendly and have more time to talk to its members. Especially when we get agro because we have issued an infraction that they dont agree with or even just because they like complaining. There is a thread for this and over 50% of the time these are reported they are fine. All staff slip up some times and thats part of life.
To save the effort, they could hire more than 8 moderators which it seems to be problem. About 20 forums and only 8 moderators. It doesn't work. Super Moderators aren't always available and the management should have better things to do than waste their time on the forum when it should be run by a Forum Manager, Administrators etc. Is J1MI planning on hiring more Moderators soon? That'll be a good idea, considering it is his department. But I suppose trust is an issue, even though moderators that turn rogue aren't hard to control :rolleyes:

[french]

I totally agree with what you say. But it's
only rep... It's not going to ruin your life is it? :rolleyes:.

[VPSwow]

To save the effort, they could hire more than 8 moderators which it seems to be problem. About 20 forums and only 8 moderators. It doesn't work. Super Moderators aren't always available and the management should have better things to do than waste their time on the forum when it should be run by a Forum Manager, Administrators etc. Is J1MI planning on hiring more Moderators soon? That'll be a good idea, considering it is his department. But I suppose trust is an issue, even though moderators that turn rogue aren't hard to control :rolleyes:

He is hiring at the moment, applications are open if you check the Announcments forum, but their is only so much Moderators can do. Usually all reported posts are responded to fairly fast but when it comes to constant spammers we have to wait for an SMOD to come online and sort this. This is noway management or SMODs problem it is just a problem in general.

[GommeInc]

He is hiring at the moment, applications are open if you check the Announcments forum, but their is only so much Moderators can do. Usually all reported posts are responded to fairly fast but when it comes to constant spammers we have to wait for an SMOD to come online and sort this. This is noway management or SMODs problem it is just a problem in general.
Obviously Moderators can't do an awful lot, but having more than 8 will spread the work load. Back in the past (here we go again :P) there used to be 2-6 moderatoes (depending on the activity in the forum) per forum.

Are new competitions announced in the announcements forum?

[VPSwow]

Obviously Moderators can't do an awful lot, but having more than 8 will spread the work load. Back in the past (here we go again :P) there used to be 2-6 moderatoes (depending on the activity in the forum) per forum.

Are new competitions announced in the announcements forum?

Sometimes they are :D

Yes i understand what you are saying and that takes the work load off a lot. It is ideal to have a few moderators per forum now their is an extra SMOD on the team aswell as some new moderators on their way. I think 3 is the golden number here as three per forum has been effective in the past few months iv worked there.

I agree with all your comments though and im glad we can have a mature argument/ discussion about it.

[Jamesy]

Sometimes they are :D

Yes i understand what you are saying and that takes the work load off a lot. It is ideal to have a few moderators per forum now their is an extra SMOD on the team aswell as some new moderators on their way. I think 3 is the golden number here as three per forum has been effective in the past few months iv worked there.

I agree with all your comments though and im glad we can have a mature argument/ discussion about it.

Now we wait for some idiot jumping on a non existant bandwagon who decides to complain for the hell of it, althoughI have noticed now Spot has gone the forum seems at least a bit better :D

[GommeInc]

Indeed, I knew what Habbox was like and I know some things about management and planning skills. Most of the things I do in real life involves it. The management is just under OK in my opinion, their main problem is staff and work load. MAD has far too much on his plate as general manager and it would really be a full time job. Then the assistant general managers shouldn't really be assistant general managers, because they're not tasked to do general related stuff. The only thing I have been told that makes them assistant general managers is the fact that they have a say in most things, which in reality any Manager of any department (which they all seem to be) would have a say in a matter, which makes their titles of 'Assistant General Managers' invalid.


Now we wait for some idiot jumping on a non existant bandwagon who decides to complain for the hell of it, althoughI have noticed now Spot has gone the forum seems at least a bit better :D
Why wasn't he banned sooner?

[Roboevil]

BRING BACK IONE SHE GIVES OUT FREE FURNI!!!!!!!1

[-Xiangu-]

BRING BACK IONE SHE GIVES OUT FREE FURNI!!!!!!!1


lol

i think hxf is fine tbh

[Neversoft]

I'll tell you what Habbox need to do.

They need to pay attention to whats going on, check the bloody threads in the Habbox section and LISTEN TO THE COMMUNITY!

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=440024
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=440024
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=440024
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=440024
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=440024

[Roboevil]

Well I think the thread starter has something long and wooden shoved up his rear end--no it's not a scarecrow. He said something like "3/4 of the forum has lost their respect to the managers", and "8/10 people are mature"... both of these are obviously far from the truth.

I don't know why everyone complains so much, it's a forum, you go on here to post. NOT GAIN REP.

[VPSwow]

I'll tell you what Habbox need to do.

They need to pay attention to whats going on, check the bloody threads in the Habbox section and LISTEN TO THE COMMUNITY!

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=440024
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=440024
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=440024
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=440024
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=440024

Yes their is a few problems with the arcade at the moment. An admin cannot just make them progress if it hasnt done it automatic. They would have to find the problem which could need the tech online.

Please give them a chance to get it fixed before posting such comments :D

[Neversoft]

An admin cannot just make them progress if it hasnt done it automatic.

Yes they can.

I already gave them a chance, if they would have actually got back to me and replied then I might be more patient.

[MissAlice]

I think the staff here are made to work harder than is necessary, there are too many rules, which makes for boring reading and way too many disrespectful members. Sort out the disrespectful members, get the notes back if that's what is really best, and ban them when their notes reach an unacceptable level. Stop putting up with it, because all the time you do, the members have to put up with it too, and it just creates un-necessary friction all round.

The forum is huge, there are forum's that aren't really needed, consolidate some of them rather than keep introducing more and more unimportant ones. Over 10 thousand threads in the Show Off Your Website Here and the Web Market forums. Why do you need to keep all them threads? Can't you just archive some of them? If I was a new member joining the forum today, do you honestly think I am going to sit and read all them threads?

The Spam Forum for example, why do you need to keep 30 odd thousand threads? I personally can't even be bothered to read one of them, okay so others may do, but couldn't a member of staff be instructed to delete them after 24/48 hours, what purpose do they serve?

Some good old fashioned house keeping is needed, get more staff to moderate every busy forum, more staff for each forum.

Council? I really can't see this working, but I wish you luck. What will the council do, that members of the forum can't already do for themselves? Why couldn't I simply ask management directly? If I have an idea for the site, I could easily just post my idea, or my opinion somewhere appropriate, where the majority of members could see, like for example Habbox Feedback. You can already see how that works. Use polls when you want to make changes, look at what the majority of the members want before you put things in place, rather than just doing things and upsetting the so many here, it's all about communicating rather than dictating, and hopefully staff here will get less abuse and more praise, which is how it should be. Staff are volunteers at the end of the day, who give up their free time to make the site the most successful habbo fan site there is, and that gets forgotten. It's so easy to forget to give praise to staff here for doing a great job and a whole lot easier for members to whine when management do things without consulting it's members.

The site is not owned by the members, and only VIP's contribute financially to it, they pay for a small service, maybe they are the ones who should have a mini council. Management should advise members of their plans to alter things like rep power, and look to the feedback before they implement them. Think of it as 'good customer relations'.

Communicate with members and threads like this will cease to exist.

[Mentor]

I think the staff here are made to work harder than is necessary, there are too many rules, which makes for boring reading and way too many disrespectful members. Sort out the disrespectful members, get the notes back if that's what is really best, and ban them when their notes reach an unacceptable level. Stop putting up with it, because all the time you do, the members have to put up with it too, and it just creates un-necessary friction all round.

The forum is huge, there are forum's that aren't really needed, consolidate some of them rather than keep introducing more and more unimportant ones. Over 10 thousand threads in the Show Off Your Website Here and the Web Market forums. Why do you need to keep all them threads? Can't you just archive some of them? If I was a new member joining the forum today, do you honestly think I am going to sit and read all them threads?

The Spam Forum for example, why do you need to keep 30 odd thousand threads? I personally can't even be bothered to read one of them, okay so others may do, but couldn't a member of staff be instructed to delete them after 24/48 hours, what purpose do they serve?

Some good old fashioned house keeping is needed, get more staff to moderate every busy forum, more staff for each forum.

Council? I really can't see this working, but I wish you luck. What will the council do, that members of the forum can't already do for themselves? Why couldn't I simply ask management directly? If I have an idea for the site, I could easily just post my idea, or my opinion somewhere appropriate, where the majority of members could see, like for example Habbox Feedback. You can already see how that works. Use polls when you want to make changes, look at what the majority of the members want before you put things in place, rather than just doing things and upsetting the so many here, it's all about communicating rather than dictating, and hopefully staff here will get less abuse and more praise, which is how it should be. Staff are volunteers at the end of the day, who give up their free time to make the site the most successful habbo fan site there is, and that gets forgotten. It's so easy to forget to give praise to staff here for doing a great job and a whole lot easier for members to whine when management do things without consulting it's members.

The site is not owned by the members, and only VIP's contribute financially to it, they pay for a small service, maybe they are the ones who should have a mini council. Management should advise members of their plans to alter things like rep power, and look to the feedback before they implement them. Think of it as 'good customer relations'.

Communicate with members and threads like this will cease to exist.
O.O *eyes drop out*

:O *in addition to the shock of actually seeing you on habbox again after so long im also going to mention i actually have to agree with pretty much everything youve said. Bad communication is the heart of alot of the current problems.*

[-Xiangu-]

Well I think the thread starter has something long and wooden shoved up his rear end--no it's not a scarecrow. He said something like "3/4 of the forum has lost their respect to the managers", and "8/10 people are mature"... both of these are obviously far from the truth.

I don't know why everyone complains so much, it's a forum, you go on here to post. NOT GAIN REP.

completely agree. +rep if i can for a good post. I would also like to state that if you do not like the forum that much then instead of continuously ranting just leave. it will cause less arguments and quite frankly alot more people like habboxforum than you think.

Xiangu

[Technologic]

The rep thing is silly now.. to be honest it was people getting wound up over a few blocks of green because they (and myself) were probably bored and had nothi9ng better to do. Most accept it now!

[Mentor]

completely agree. +rep if i can for a good post. I would also like to state that if you do not like the forum that much then instead of continuously ranting just leave. it will cause less arguments and quite frankly alot more people like habboxforum than you think.

Xiangu
Do you know how many times that utterly ridiculous and unthought out statement has been debunked in this week alone? :eusa_wall

[GommeInc]

Do you know how many times that utterly ridiculous and unthought out statement has been debunked in this week alone? :eusa_wall
I also like how he completely destroys what he says when he says "+rep." Also, he hasn't been on here to long enough to understand the issues "/

[nvrspk4]

All you staff, ARE MEMBERS, you used this forum before you were staff, you likely had friends etc before you were staff? Why now do you seem to think your so different?

Staff only sections arnt for using a forum, there for running it. Why bother giving your own time to work on a community your not even part of? Nore, it seems even want to be part of. No wonder there's no community spirt anymore....

Id always thought it was still growing anyway so its no news to me. My main concern is the value of the members is far lower. Out of the online people these days, there are far less with anything worthwhile to say in my opinion. Quality's decreased dramatically, even if quantity's increased.

We're not different, and we're not superior. However somehow, some way, there has become a divide where if you're Habbox Staff in a high position you must have automatically sucked your way up there or have no life or be corrupt or be up yourself.

There's a Habbox Staff Spam Section type thing.

I definitely agree with the text in bold, but that's largely because the mature members opted to move on. We can't exactly force our members to stay when they feel they have outgrown Habbox.


The notes system back in 2004 would of been better today. The infractions system really is for a small community. Also, I am sure confusing the snot out of members is member cruelty...

Honestly, I would have 0 objections to bringing back the notes system. It would mean members wouldn't get notified. But honestly, if people want notes back, bring 'em back. With the stipulation that you can't complain once they are brought back :P


The above is aload of rubbish. The infraction system never existed in 2004... Before the infraction system was a much more direct and personal response using notes. The problem with the infraction system, which to be frank, causes more issues than it solves, is it shows you who infracted you and doesn't tell you a good enough reason other than "disruptive/rude behaviour." The note system didn't tell you that you were in trouble other than a PM which made it obvious, but the note system made it alot more easier to moderate users, because a moderator could look at names and there you have it, a list of notes detailing issues with the member (if any notes are available).

Like I said, I was referring to the "forum of old" or the "good old days". The 2004 thing was for effect :P Usernotes were very brief, a link, a rulebreak, a date, and a reason.


And if you got banned easily back then (which is still aload of rubbish), how comes myself, Seacat and JackHb are still members when we all were disruptive (granted JackHb and Seacat were staff)? Habbox Forum was far more laid back than it was today; staff could post freely about anything while now they're restricted to make any sort of humour in their posts because obviously you'll get infracted/told off, even when for example, a humourous, appropriate post is looked at as rude and inapproprite, when no one in the right mind would find it offensive, rude or inappropriate other than the moderators, administrators (if they still exist?) and super moderators who lack common sense and reasonability.

You're absolutely right. And I think that's wrong. However its for a different reason. If I came out and said something rude, the tiniest little thing, sierk would have 22 PMs in his inbox the next morning, all with a link to my post. Members hold staff up to this perfection standard and seem to take a perverse pleasure in finding every rulebreak by a staff and pointing out that they should be setting a better example. The lax environment is gone, not because we ban it, but because our members are annoyed. I had a formal complaint issued against me because I was joking around with someone and banned them for two minutes. Another time I banned a SMod as a joke and someone entirely unrelated issued a complaint about how unprofessional it was. People need to lighten up.


[Qipte]No, they're not stricted, they just make themselves seem stricter when infact they're there to look a mess. Most of the rules could be grouped to make one simpler rule which at the same time could be generalised and made simpler. Anything pointless = goes into the pointless post rules, anything rude goes into the swearing, behavioural rules. Why does Habbox have to make new rules out of rules that already existed?[/Quote]

Yeah, well, some of them are a bit redundant, I believe J1MI already took on the task of simplifying the rules and he might be going further with the simplification.



Actually, a perfect community would have staff who's main focus is the forum and other staff who's main focus is the site. Looking over the staff list, most of the staff have 2 or more jobs which obviously means that staff member would need more time in their hands, time which doesn't and will not exist.

There are staff who can multitask, and plus very few concentrate on the site. I do feel that a lot of the staff have a "do the minimum" mentality, where they do what they need to do to get a decent report and not fired, and assume that's enough. Nobody has a passion for the job anymore.


This is where Habbox fails most, there are too little staff with too much on their plate. All of the AGMs shouldn't be AGMs, because their jobs are not general. They should just keep to their Manager titles and with those titles (which seems to be the only reason they had AGM in the first place) is to have a say in Habbox matters. In the past, most managers had a say in Habbox issues anyway... If it effected their departments. Now you just get this heap of mess which seems to be staff roles and titles.

(A)GMs usually have a larger subject area to focus on. Joshuar manages all things international (although now that all things international have merged, that position is somewhat diminished.) Adzeh deals with all things departmental, assisting the managers, improving departments. Jrh and I deal with all things staff. And 8F8 deals with all things old :P


Have you looked into having a Role Manager elected? Because I'm sure one would be able to sort through this heap.

A role manager?


As stated, something is clearly wrong with Habbox that it has become a bit less likeable and for most they only say that because they care about the community they have gotten themselves involved with for a long period of time. Most likeable things would have people criticising it because they have some interest, not all things are black and white :rolleyes:

Fair enough, I do expect criticism of everything, but I expect constructive criticism and not a "do it my way or I won't like it at all" ultimatum (which you aren't issuing, but others have.)


What was it before? Because I believe 500 rep points per rep power would be more adequate. 1000 is a big jump from wherever it was before.

It was a fairly large jump, it went from 200 to 1000. That was a bit of a shocker to all of us.



I used 1000 rep points per rep power because I was of the opinion loads of people had lot, must be my mistake. Maybe having it between 300-800 is better, like 500 rep ponts per rep power with the addition rep powers from posts and membership time?

Well, we're considering making the limits more reasonable, with the caveat of taking reputation out of the equation. Otherwise it becomes a neverending circle of you rep me, I rep you, we get higher powers, you rep me, I rep you.

Perhaps that's the mistake we made.



If people are bullied, they'll report it and then you can take action on the bully by removing a certain amount of rep and/or cautioning them, that is afterall what the caution member group is for... If that member makes a new account or moves to another one, caution them or PM with discussing why they are being total twits.

Its difficult to deal with bullies when they move in gangs 20 deep. There's also the issue of the rep hierarchy (I'm assuming what everything means here since I can't see what you quoted.)


The rep council is just another feedback forum with elected members and new sub-forums, in my eyes :P

Rep Council? Honestly the Habbox Council is based off of a 50ish page thread in Feedback, so I can't claim credit. *Apparently* it was what the members wanted. You gonna fault me for doing what the members wanted? :P:P



You don't need to 'belong working,' granted you should be with the large amounts of jobs you seem to have given yourself:

VIPs Editor || Events Manager || Staff Editor || Habbox Help Desk Owner

You should really only have two of the titles... Look at the Help Desk for example, can you really say that is working? Give it to someone else OR quit as VIP Editor and Staff Editor, because Events Manager and Habbox Help Desk Owner pretty much go together. This isa nther reason Management get yelled at often, because they do everything and as you can see, can't do everything.

Heh. Granted I took up a number of jobs. However Help Desk Owner was a job I took on out of necessity, simply because there was the choice of shutting down the Desk or Owning it. I leave the running up to my managers, because I recognize that I don't have the time to successfully manage the desk.

VIP Editor is a fairly easy job, it simply involves a lot of Customer Support and a lot of grunt work at Christmas. I'm able to handle my jobs, trust me I wouldn't be giving up my fun just to work on a virtual fansite. Although you may find it hard to believe, I have a balanced life :P



Most are probably users who have registered a few times and left soon after, which looks like it to me.

800 of them daily? :P



If staff are scared to post then that is a BIG problem.
Managment should stand up for there staff, I know i go on alot about "back in the day" but its because I reckon the forum was a hell of a lot better back then and it still could be like that now. Management used to stand up for there staff and staff used to have a laugh.

I totally agree. But now when I try to stand up for staff, its suddenly favoritism, because we protect our staff to the same or a higher degree than we do our members. When we have a laugh its abuse of powers or unprofessional behavior. Perhaps our mistake is actually listening to those complaints ;)


And I can't remember who said about how its grown, yes the forum has grown its gained 10,000 more members as I remember it having 20,000 when I was here. Yet how many of them new 10,000 members are active? As I still see a lot of the same names popping up with join dates such as 2004,2005 etc.

A lot of people do come on for very short periods, but we do pick up new members fairly often. We see the 2004s and 2005s certainly, but there are people who've registered from 06-07 who are active in equal amounts.


It has nothing to do with the size of the forum that it has lost its community spirit, it is down to management and organisation.
I am not blaming current managment or anyone in particular.
Also its down to members, A lot of members who are on the forum now do no good for the forum and should be banned, yeah sarcasm etc is alright but not in every post. Its like they are on this permament puberty moody phase its like f off lol.

Lol I agree. However apparently that's unfair and banning based on prejudice. The forum has become too PC. We should be able to ban for things like that :P Unfortunately we aren't. I wish that could change, but I can't see it happening (after all, if we added in a rule for it, it would be adding to the Nazism of Habbox!)



The infractions system needs to be scrapped ASAP imo, what a pile of crap it is. It does no good apart from pushes members and the staff/forum apart from each other.
Bring back the good old user notes and hire more than 8 moderators to mod this forum! :P

If usernotes legitimately has a decent support base (and I trust you to know because you actually realize what usernotes are like as opposed to others who decry the infractions system but are bound to complain about usernotes as well) then I'm all for bringing it back.



I think the staff here are made to work harder than is necessary, there are too many rules, which makes for boring reading and way too many disrespectful members. Sort out the disrespectful members, get the notes back if that's what is really best, and ban them when their notes reach an unacceptable level. Stop putting up with it, because all the time you do, the members have to put up with it too, and it just creates un-necessary friction all round.

That's what was done in the past. Then those bans were construed as biased or unfair, or abuse of powers or corruption. We should see if we can bring those back.


The forum is huge, there are forum's that aren't really needed, consolidate some of them rather than keep introducing more and more unimportant ones. Over 10 thousand threads in the Show Off Your Website Here and the Web Market forums. Why do you need to keep all them threads? Can't you just archive some of them? If I was a new member joining the forum today, do you honestly think I am going to sit and read all them threads?

The Spam Forum for example, why do you need to keep 30 odd thousand threads? I personally can't even be bothered to read one of them, okay so others may do, but couldn't a member of staff be instructed to delete them after 24/48 hours, what purpose do they serve?

Some good old fashioned house keeping is needed, get more staff to moderate every busy forum, more staff for each forum.

A fair point. Perhaps archiving threads wouldn't be that bad of an idea.


Council? I really can't see this working, but I wish you luck. What will the council do, that members of the forum can't already do for themselves? Why couldn't I simply ask management directly? If I have an idea for the site, I could easily just post my idea, or my opinion somewhere appropriate, where the majority of members could see, like for example Habbox Feedback. You can already see how that works. Use polls when you want to make changes, look at what the majority of the members want before you put things in place, rather than just doing things and upsetting the so many here, it's all about communicating rather than dictating, and hopefully staff here will get less abuse and more praise, which is how it should be. Staff are volunteers at the end of the day, who give up their free time to make the site the most successful habbo fan site there is, and that gets forgotten. It's so easy to forget to give praise to staff here for doing a great job and a whole lot easier for members to whine when management do things without consulting it's members.

I have mixed opinions about the chances for success for the council. It was a cause fought for by many of the members in a ginormous thread so we decided to try it. Will it work? We'll see.



I think this thread has established two things that everyone has agreed upon.

1) The sense of fun and laid-back community style enjoyment has greatly ceased to be a part of the forum.

2) The staff-member divide is clearl eminent.


We should see what we can do to fix that, since they clearly are issues. However, I agree that they are issues, but some of the examples provided I disagree with. But they are problems that need to be addressed.

[Roboevil]

No disrespect Percy but I'm so not reading that lol... I'll be here until the weekend.
Also Xiangu, you can't really "leave the forum if you don't like it," it shouldn't really come down to it. I know this doesn't really compare but could you imagine if that was Parliament's answer to us everytime we didn't agree with them?--"leave the country".

[Paulio]

You shouldn't waste your time posting massive essays because 9 out of 10 people aren't going to read them. I know you try to help by answering everyone’s questions but it gets so confusing. :P

I agree with JackHb, get rid of infractions. When you receive and infraction it makes you feel like an e-rebel and makes you think that you have nothing to be good for so you may as well break rules and just go wild. (Speaking from experience) Also, people who have permission to give them out get way too much pleasure in it.

[jrh2002]

I personally think the infraction system is great and cuts out so much work that we used to have to do with the manual pm's and recording stuff in threads etc. I do think it needs some tweaking to work properly though due to it not being as consistent as it should be.
I think the staff do need to get out and about more and that way you also get to see who causes problems and get to see first hand what they are like and not just by the amount of warnings they have. I wish I could post more around the forums but I am aware who is here to spoil your enjoyment and cause trouble and thats probably why you are seeing a few of them getting banned.

[GommeInc]

Honestly, I would have 0 objections to bringing back the notes system. It would mean members wouldn't get notified. But honestly, if people want notes back, bring 'em back. With the stipulation that you can't complain once they are brought back :P
Indeed, and because you wouldn't know, you woldn't have anything to complain about other than a PM from a forum moderator.


Usernotes were very brief, a link, a rulebreak, a date, and a reason.
More than what you get with the infraction system. The infraction system would of been better on old Habbox and the usernotes system would of been better in this generation. Moderators etc don't have a clue what a member has done and obviously wouldn't know every member, so notes on each member would be a hell of alot easier for old and new moderators alike. The infraction system is so basic that a forum which knows each member wouldn't of been an issue, but for the it is now, it is.


You're absolutely right. And I think that's wrong. However its for a different reason. If I came out and said something rude, the tiniest little thing, sierk would have 22 PMs in his inbox the next morning, all with a link to my post. Members hold staff up to this perfection standard and seem to take a perverse pleasure in finding every rulebreak by a staff and pointing out that they should be setting a better example. The lax environment is gone, not because we ban it, but because our members are annoyed. I had a formal complaint issued against me because I was joking around with someone and banned them for two minutes. Another time I banned a SMod as a joke and someone entirely unrelated issued a complaint about how unprofessional it was. People need to lighten up.
This is when you need a good owner and/or general manager who can turn around to the member moaning, stick two fingers up and say "they are entitled to have an opinion much like your one now." Habbox has no reason to be 'professional,' no fansite has. Leave the professional work to the site you've based your site on. Again, management etc should just tell the member moaning about unprofessionalism to grow up and get a sense of humour.



Yeah, well, some of them are a bit redundant, I believe J1MI already took on the task of simplifying the rules and he might be going further with the simplification.
Is this a task he has set upon himself or has the general management butted in again :rolleyes: J1MI needs to have total control and say in anything on the forum, it is afterall his department and people need to know this. He's already done a few good tasks as far as I have heard and seen, like he is in the process of hiring moderators and hopefully he was the one behind the rule changes. Can he hire administrators and super moderators, or is this something for the meddling general manager and owner to decide?


There are staff who can multitask, and plus very few concentrate on the site. I do feel that a lot of the staff have a "do the minimum" mentality, where they do what they need to do to get a decent report and not fired, and assume that's enough. Nobody has a passion for the job anymore.
I agree completely. If they do a minimal job and have more than 1 job, they should really only stick to the one job and do their utmost best to perfect their tasks. As you have said, no passion anymore. In my opinion, to the 'higher ups', the goal is to get a high-up title, and not do any good, sufficient work to prove why you got that title in the first place.


(A)GMs usually have a larger subject area to focus on. Joshuar manages all things international (although now that all things international have merged, that position is somewhat diminished.) Adzeh deals with all things departmental, assisting the managers, improving departments. Jrh and I deal with all things staff. And 8F8 deals with all things old :P
8F8 doesn't work here anymore so he should be kicked out ASAP, unless the general manager really cannot handle his position, which from word of mouth, he can't. I've heard 8F8 has assisted with a few things that MAD has done, or yelled at him. One of the two, maybe both :P

So is Joshuar's title redundent? Perhaps an administatorial job is something he should be moved to? Adzeh shouldn't be touching the departments, only the managers. Department work is for the Department Managers and the Department Managers report back to the (A)GM with any concerns that they don't have the power to touch and assisting managers is for assistant managers :P And what is all things staff?


A role manager?
Reminds people who their roles are e.g. shouts at MAD when he touches the forum by putting and adding things which should be done by J1MI. Reminds J1MI to his job and not let anyone else do it for him other than given a few ideas from members and ask for opinions. Tells the Department Managers what their duties are etc etc. At the moment, jobs are in a tangled web, or a heap, or any other example.


It was a fairly large jump, it went from 200 to 1000. That was a bit of a shocker to all of us.
That is quite a leap... 500 would surely be better and because no one can buy rep anymore, it'll solve people have too high a rep power.


Its difficult to deal with bullies when they move in gangs 20 deep. There's also the issue of the rep hierarchy (I'm assuming what everything means here since I can't see what you quoted.)
If they do this rep hierarchy, threaten to remove it completely by a caution. New members don't have any rep power so making a new account would be pointless. And don't moderators, administrators etc have the ability to PM more than one person? Send the gang a PM asking what on earth they are doing :P


Rep Council? Honestly the Habbox Council is based off of a 50ish page thread in Feedback, so I can't claim credit. *Apparently* it was what the members wanted. You gonna fault me for doing what the members wanted? :P:P
Was there a poll? It's easier to find out who wants what with a poll with a simple 'yes' and 'no'. A 'don't care' option is for people who don't think. And isn't it better to take ideas into consideration from other Habbo/Forum based councils? Most just turn out to be a glorified feedback forum with members :P


Heh. Granted I took up a number of jobs. However Help Desk Owner was a job I took on out of necessity, simply because there was the choice of shutting down the Desk or Owning it. I leave the running up to my managers, because I recognize that I don't have the time to successfully manage the desk.

VIP Editor is a fairly easy job, it simply involves a lot of Customer Support and a lot of grunt work at Christmas. I'm able to handle my jobs, trust me I wouldn't be giving up my fun just to work on a virtual fansite. Although you may find it hard to believe, I have a balanced life :P
And what is this manager of the help desk currently doing?

Rare Values Manager / HxHD Manager / Forum Moderator

Rare Values is a huge feature with Habbox, no wonder the help desk doesn't get the right attention... You need someone who actually has the time to run it and not have another job which is possibly one of the most important features on Habbox. No offense necessary to Immenseman, because it's not his fault he has been given two important Habbo related tasks.


Anyhoo, surely it would be easier for you and the departments you're managing if you spread the work load? Owner of the Help Desk doesn't mean anything other than you own the room, you have a manager to run that. But Staff Editor which, reflecting on it, probably is like a Staff Role Manager, is kind of a big task along side Events Manager. You definitely do a good job with VIP Editor so I won't criticise you on that department :P


800 of them daily? :P
Then you have to take into account how many of the members are active for about 1 to 2 weeks :P

[Jamesy]

Damn, the posts are just getting longer and longer aren't they?

I agree with Nvr and Gom, all the jobs should just be focused on one thing, not trying to juggle everything. It's almost liuke a failing company with people doing more they are supposed to. The thing is habbox isn't paying any managers or staff, so the don't need to worry about hiring more to do all the jobs! People who are trusted and have been here should be approached and requested to do the jobs.

[The Professor]

Something that's crossed my mind recently is the amount of posts jrh makes saying "I wish I could change x, y and z" when he is an AGM. Surely he has the power to enforce these changes, or at the very least put the ideas forward and argue them with higher management?

Jrh, what exactly is your job?

[Jamesy]

Good point. But if he argues with upper management won't he most likely be fired?

[jrh2002]

Something that's crossed my mind recently is the amount of posts jrh makes saying "I wish I could change x, y and z" when he is an AGM. Surely he has the power to enforce these changes, or at the very least put the ideas forward and argue them with higher management?

Jrh, what exactly is your job?

My main job is sorting out any staff problems/rule breaking. If there is any big issues I get the nice job of sorting it out and removing x, y and z and nvr would be doing similar but hes usually on during the silly hours due to his location so usually one of us is about :P I can't just make big changes like you all ask for but cna put a case forward for the change.
Sierk, Mad and the AGM's all read the feedback so I put my point across here for all to see including the members. If I feel strongly enough about an issue I will of course PM who it concerns for their opinion, chat about issues on msn or post it in the correct staff forum for example the forum management forum or the AGM forum but if I do that then you would all be asking why there is no response from staff even though we could be discussing it.

Do you want us to be more open and have our opinions on full view like I am trying to do even if it is being discussed out of view from everybody or do you want them kept hidden and then accuse us of ignoring the issues even though you don't know if we are ignoring them or not?


Good point. But if he argues with upper management won't he most likely be fired?

If I disagree with something strongly enough I would argue why even if it did mean I got fired but I hope that never has to happen.

[Jamesy]

My main job is sorting out any staff problems/rule breaking. If there is any big issues I get the nice job of sorting it out and removing x, y and z and nvr would be doing similar but hes usually on during the silly hours due to his location so usually one of us is about :P I can't just make big changes like you all ask for but cna put a case forward for the change.
Sierk, Mad and the AGM's all read the feedback so I put my point across here for all to see including the members. If I feel strongly enough about an issue I will of course PM who it concerns for their opinion, chat about issues on msn or post it in the correct staff forum for example the forum management forum or the AGM forum but if I do that then you would all be asking why there is no response from staff even though we could be discussing it.

Do you want us to be more open and have our opinions on full view like I am trying to do even if it is being discussed out of view from everybody or do you want them kept hidden and then accuse us of ignoring the issues even though you don't know if we are ignoring them or not?



If I disagree with something strongly enough I would argue why even if it did mean I got fired but I hope that never has to happen.

I hope not either :D

[Corporal]

I havent read anything other then your post but if you look at your data then ive noticed something.


---\ <- When I joined.
----\ <- When most of the "legends" left.
Maybe its you?

[Cixso]

I havent read anything other then your post but if you look at your data then ive noticed something.


Maybe its you?

I'll enter you into a joke book.

[nvrspk4]

No disrespect Percy but I'm so not reading that lol... I'll be here until the weekend.
Also Xiangu, you can't really "leave the forum if you don't like it," it shouldn't really come down to it. I know this doesn't really compare but could you imagine if that was Parliament's answer to us everytime we didn't agree with them?--"leave the country".

I kind of figured that :P No offense taken.


You shouldn't waste your time posting massive essays because 9 out of 10 people aren't going to read them. I know you try to help by answering everyone’s questions but it gets so confusing. :P

I agree with JackHb, get rid of infractions. When you receive and infraction it makes you feel like an e-rebel and makes you think that you have nothing to be good for so you may as well break rules and just go wild. (Speaking from experience) Also, people who have permission to give them out get way too much pleasure in it.

If anybody cares enough about the issue, they'll read it. For me that is sort of a test, and then I debate with the people who feel strongly enough to read through it and respond - after all, that is where the best arguments will come from. I did post a two point summary at the bottom though, because I don't want to exclude people who don't feel like reading that from the discussion :P


Indeed, and because you wouldn't know, you woldn't have anything to complain about other than a PM from a forum moderator.

Heh, a very good point. I guess the counterargument to that is that people have a right to know where they stand on a disciplinary basis - but personally I'm more leaning towards siding with you ;)



More than what you get with the infraction system. The infraction system would of been better on old Habbox and the usernotes system would of been better in this generation. Moderators etc don't have a clue what a member has done and obviously wouldn't know every member, so notes on each member would be a hell of alot easier for old and new moderators alike. The infraction system is so basic that a forum which knows each member wouldn't of been an issue, but for the it is now, it is.

Well Moderators can view all of a user's infractions, just as they could usernotes. The difference is that Infractions aren't automated to tally and can't be searched to see how many a user has. And infractions expire and can be appealed, whereas usernotes don't :P I think the infraction system is more detailed, so I disagree with you on that point, however the usernote system caused fewer problems and I would rather bring that back with some increased labor for a less confrontational forum.



This is when you need a good owner and/or general manager who can turn around to the member moaning, stick two fingers up and say "they are entitled to have an opinion much like your one now." Habbox has no reason to be 'professional,' no fansite has. Leave the professional work to the site you've based your site on. Again, management etc should just tell the member moaning about unprofessionalism to grow up and get a sense of humour.

I agree entirely :) We'll see about that. I'm not really sure where we left our policy of telling *certain* (not all) members where they can get off :P But personally I think we should bring back that way of dealing with things, much more efficient :P



Is this a task he has set upon himself or has the general management butted in again :rolleyes: J1MI needs to have total control and say in anything on the forum, it is afterall his department and people need to know this. He's already done a few good tasks as far as I have heard and seen, like he is in the process of hiring moderators and hopefully he was the one behind the rule changes. Can he hire administrators and super moderators, or is this something for the meddling general manager and owner to decide?

J1MI decided on that task all by himself to his credit, he took it on because he believed that it needed to be done. SMods are decided on by J1MI with Sierk and MAD, admins are sometimes discussed with the FM but I believe some administrative appointments aren't (of course AFMs are always discussed with the FM.)



I agree completely. If they do a minimal job and have more than 1 job, they should really only stick to the one job and do their utmost best to perfect their tasks. As you have said, no passion anymore. In my opinion, to the 'higher ups', the goal is to get a high-up title, and not do any good, sufficient work to prove why you got that title in the first place.

The problem is that the job isn't fun anymore, because in all honesty (I'm so going to get people angry with this) the staff members have been given the job of doing everything possible to please the members and have lost their right to have fun. Personally, I would trade off a little popularity to make sure my staff were enjoying themselves.



8F8 doesn't work here anymore so he should be kicked out ASAP, unless the general manager really cannot handle his position, which from word of mouth, he can't. I've heard 8F8 has assisted with a few things that MAD has done, or yelled at him. One of the two, maybe both :P

My comment was actually more of a joke than anything, 8F8 retains his permissions because of his service to Habbox. Although his opinion would bear great weight with sierk and the rest of us due to the respect we have for him, he doesn't really have a formal job, responsibility, or powers :P


So is Joshuar's title redundent? Perhaps an administatorial job is something he should be moved to? Adzeh shouldn't be touching the departments, only the managers. Department work is for the Department Managers and the Department Managers report back to the (A)GM with any concerns that they don't have the power to touch and assisting managers is for assistant managers :P And what is all things staff?

No, he still represents the International Site within the AGMs, and he also helps out with general things where he can :) Plus he takes care of the main Habbox site now too.



Reminds people who their roles are e.g. shouts at MAD when he touches the forum by putting and adding things which should be done by J1MI. Reminds J1MI to his job and not let anyone else do it for him other than given a few ideas from members and ask for opinions. Tells the Department Managers what their duties are etc etc. At the moment, jobs are in a tangled web, or a heap, or any other example.

Ah. Well, I don't think that anyone would be given the authority to "shout at MAD" and he technically has the right to make forum changes if he wants. But as far as Department Managers and stuff goes that's a part of Adam's job IIRC.



That is quite a leap... 500 would surely be better and because no one can buy rep anymore, it'll solve people have too high a rep power.

In all honesty, lower requirements for others and removing the rep to increase rep would balance out the problem I think.



If they do this rep hierarchy, threaten to remove it completely by a caution. New members don't have any rep power so making a new account would be pointless. And don't moderators, administrators etc have the ability to PM more than one person? Send the gang a PM asking what on earth they are doing :P

Its not like someone comes out and says "I'm better than you because the number next to my name is higher." Its much more implicit. The second method has been tried but I got a bunch of complaining threads about it and was told that I was apparently being too harsh :rolleyes:



Was there a poll? It's easier to find out who wants what with a poll with a simple 'yes' and 'no'. A 'don't care' option is for people who don't think. And isn't it better to take ideas into consideration from other Habbo/Forum based councils? Most just turn out to be a glorified feedback forum with members :P

Considering there was all support and no opposition, I figured a poll would be extraneous, but I think Catzsy may have posted one. It may become a glorified Feedback Forum, but hopefully it won't. Really what it will be is a more controlled Feedback Forum where people actually post opinions instead of "YOU IDIOTS, YOU SCREWED UP, SORT IT OUT!" Plus, I think the Council will become more of a sounding board, a screening committee if you will ;)



And what is this manager of the help desk currently doing?

Rare Values Manager / HxHD Manager / Forum Moderator

Rare Values is a huge feature with Habbox, no wonder the help desk doesn't get the right attention... You need someone who actually has the time to run it and not have another job which is possibly one of the most important features on Habbox. No offense necessary to Immenseman, because it's not his fault he has been given two important Habbo related tasks.

A fair point, however that's why both departments have co-managers, and that's why he can handle it. IMO.



Anyhoo, surely it would be easier for you and the departments you're managing if you spread the work load? Owner of the Help Desk doesn't mean anything other than you own the room, you have a manager to run that. But Staff Editor which, reflecting on it, probably is like a Staff Role Manager, is kind of a big task along side Events Manager. You definitely do a good job with VIP Editor so I won't criticise you on that department :P

The roles have been spread out :P There are two Staff Editors. Myself and jrh2002 ;) One on the day shift and the nocturnal one :P And thank you muchly :P Its rare to hear praise nowadays.



Then you have to take into account how many of the members are active for about 1 to 2 weeks :P

A fair point, but even so that would mean that those members were around for 1-2 weeks before.


Something that's crossed my mind recently is the amount of posts jrh makes saying "I wish I could change x, y and z" when he is an AGM. Surely he has the power to enforce these changes, or at the very least put the ideas forward and argue them with higher management?

Jrh, what exactly is your job?

I think that's a bit unfair to call him out like that, as it seems you're attacking him for not getting enough done or not being given enough power. In j's defense, he does champion causes he believes in, and he MAD and I have had debates about many many things over the PM system, and we have made some changes, for instance certain words were unfiltered, others were no longer infracted, certain cases are now let slide.

[GommeInc]

Well Moderators can view all of a user's infractions, just as they could usernotes. The difference is that Infractions aren't automated to tally and can't be searched to see how many a user has. And infractions expire and can be appealed, whereas usernotes don't :P I think the infraction system is more detailed, so I disagree with you on that point, however the usernote system caused fewer problems and I would rather bring that back with some increased labor for a less confrontational forum.
I guess that would be one problem with having usernotes. Unless they can be edited when the usernote was based on false claims. But I suppose than one issue with usernotes isn't anything compared to the issues of the infraction system. Perhaps when Habbox Forum has a few more moderators and is a little bit more organised, you could trial the usernotes system and see what the staff think and remind them that they shouldn't pick the infraction system because they know how to use it :P


I agree entirely :) We'll see about that. I'm not really sure where we left our policy of telling *certain* (not all) members where they can get off :P But personally I think we should bring back that way of dealing with things, much more efficient :P
Bear in mind that you probably should have a limit and have a bit of reason for firing back at the member, otherwise there would be trouble :P


J1MI decided on that task all by himself to his credit, he took it on because he believed that it needed to be done. SMods are decided on by J1MI with Sierk and MAD, admins are sometimes discussed with the FM but I believe some administrative appointments aren't (of course AFMs are always discussed with the FM.)
Surely J1MI has grown into his boots now and can manage the task of hiring administators? To save them destroying a forum if they ever turn rogue, give them limited access which I know you can do on IPB forums, not sure about vBulletins though. It depends who owns the forum though, they deserve a say in the matter. I wouldn't think a GM would need a say in hiring administators, not when AGMs can't which is like a watered down GM.


The problem is that the job isn't fun anymore, because in all honesty (I'm so going to get people angry with this) the staff members have been given the job of doing everything possible to please the members and have lost their right to have fun. Personally, I would trade off a little popularity to make sure my staff were enjoying themselves.
It depends what their jobs are and how many people have the same job. What needs to be done is to hire a few more staff members on each department, if possible and needed, to relax the tension and share the word load around. I've noticed News Reporters have shrunk in size, and I can personally say news reporting is a very dull task :P Alot seems to be expected of them and being volunteers, it's hard.


My comment was actually more of a joke than anything, 8F8 retains his permissions because of his service to Habbox. Although his opinion would bear great weight with sierk and the rest of us due to the respect we have for him, he doesn't really have a formal job, responsibility, or powers :P
I noticed he fully resigned and joking doesn't pick up on radar :(


No, he still represents the International Site within the AGMs, and he also helps out with general things where he can :) Plus he takes care of the main Habbox site now too.
As content manager, which really is the only real claim to being an AGM when you think about. Content Manager is a big job for a big site and he pretty much controls everything content wise (or should do). No one really should help out where they can, because what they are helping with should be dealt with someone else. Like anything news related should be with the news manager etc etc.


Ah. Well, I don't think that anyone would be given the authority to "shout at MAD" and he technically has the right to make forum changes if he wants. But as far as Department Managers and stuff goes that's a part of Adam's job IIRC.
Even though it goes against J1MI job and possibly tasks? MAD should have little say in what goes on in the forum, J1MI should have the last and final say because it is his department. Otherwise he would be a forum technician :P


Its not like someone comes out and says "I'm better than you because the number next to my name is higher." Its much more implicit. The second method has been tried but I got a bunch of complaining threads about it and was told that I was apparently being too harsh :rolleyes:
Then you tell them they shouldn't act immature and think so highly of rep. If they complain further, remove 100 rep points each time they make a new thread or a comment which you would consider rude :P That'll shut them up.


Considering there was all support and no opposition, I figured a poll would be extraneous, but I think Catzsy may have posted one. It may become a glorified Feedback Forum, but hopefully it won't. Really what it will be is a more controlled Feedback Forum where people actually post opinions instead of "YOU IDIOTS, YOU SCREWED UP, SORT IT OUT!" Plus, I think the Council will become more of a sounding board, a screening committee if you will ;)
You'll probably get people saying "YOU IDIOTS..." anyway, but you may aswell trial it. I just think it's a big department to take on board when so many other problems need to be leveled out.


A fair point, however that's why both departments have co-managers, and that's why he can handle it. IMO.
I'm sure I noticed a few issues with Habbox's Trade Values, quite serious ones at that. If the co-managers do more work, surely they should be the manager? And I've not noticed alot of activity from HxHD when I log on, or heard of any help desk events if they still exist? Surely something is wrong? Granted, help desks seem to be coming slowly extinct.


The roles have been spread out :P There are two Staff Editors. Myself and jrh2002 ;) One on the day shift and the nocturnal one :P And thank you muchly :P Its rare to hear praise nowadays.
Hmmm, well if you say you can manage it then there's no harm in that. If then events department all of a sudden blossoms then maybe it will become a task to be the manager, but we'll ahve to wait and see ;)


A fair point, but even so that would mean that those members were around for 1-2 weeks before.
True, but that if they have made the 1-2 weeks. They may have got bored in-between

[The Professor]

I think that's a bit unfair to call him out like that, as it seems you're attacking him for not getting enough done or not being given enough power. In j's defense, he does champion causes he believes in, and he MAD and I have had debates about many many things over the PM system, and we have made some changes, for instance certain words were unfiltered, others were no longer infracted, certain cases are now let slide.

I apologise if it came across as an attack, it wasn't.

In response to j's post, on the contrary, I commend you for publicly displaying your opinion. However, it confused me that you usually have some form of "I wish I could" in your post when you are one of the highest up in the hierarchy. Coupled with the fact that if you are doing anything, we can't see it because it is private, it gives the impression that you have a high up job but not a lot of influence over decisions :)

I know my thought process anyway :P

[GommeInc]

I understand what you mean! Because he is an AGM, it means he should have a strong say in any matter, yet from what he said, he only deals with staff issues and rules, which isn't exactly AGM standard...

EDIT: Typed a bit fast there, mistakes edited :P

[Adzeh]

I understand what you mean! Because he is an AGM, it means he should have a strong say in any matter, yet from what he said, he only deals with staff issues and rules, which isn't exactly AGM standard...

EDIT: Typed a bit fast there, mistakes edited :P

Each AGM has a specific role to focus on within Habbox; having a structure with our jobs lets us get more done. Jrh and Nvr are involved in all staff issues and the rules, but nvr is also responsible for VIPs. I am responsible for departmental success and Joshuar is responsible for Habbox International.

Jrh said that he deals with staff and rules, but it doesn't mean that he cannot post in other threads. More to the point, I guarantee you that 75% of complaints and feedback threads will have some sort of input by him.

Just because we are AGMs, doesn't mean we always have to have a strong opinion on things :).

[jrh2002]

I understand what you mean! Because he is an AGM, it means he should have a strong say in any matter, yet from what he said, he only deals with staff issues and rules, which isn't exactly AGM standard...

EDIT: Typed a bit fast there, mistakes edited :P

I was outlining my main job but I also am able to do alot of other things which i do but if I don't have time then as long as my main job is done then its ok.
nvr does far more than me yes but just look at his job titles.
I do get to give my opinion on most matters but because I am only a AGM what I suggest or say does not always go. I have to come across in my posts being diplomatic and cant say I WILL DO THIS and I WILL DO THAT because when it does not happen due to others not agreeing with me I would look like an idiot.