Leave it, ok?

[MrPinkPanther]

When it comes to Darren Toogood I have been one of the worst critisizers of all. He recently messaged me about becoming part of my MMOCC and I thought theres no harm in speaking to him and looking at his application. I have just spoken to him and hes completely changed, he is actually a really nice guy. Some of you should take the time to speak to him like I just have, it really will change your view of him. So please before you lay into him next time, speak to him first.

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[Nick.]

Very thoughtful. + Rep :)

[MrPinkPanther]

I've been here since 2004 back when to be honest he was a ****, I never took the time to actually speak to him, If I had I would have noticed how different he was.

[Nick.]

I've been here since 2004 back when to be honest he was a ****, I never took the time to actually speak to him, If I had I would have noticed how different he was.
When he was 10?

[Invent]

Personally, I don't treat him like I do simply because it's him.

I treat him how I do (which isn't that bad...) as he has the same attitude in EVERY thread. He thinks he is a great designer and everything because a few executives humoured him. I have been told myself that I am a good designer (by adults and people in the web dev./graphics business) but I still know I'm not THAT good. He seems to think that he is and so when we give him advice he doesn't take it.

I never treat him bad because of what he was like when he was younger (as I didn't even know him then, even though I came on this Forum). I know that I was an idiot myself when I was younger but I know, we all change.

[DarrenToogood]

I am nearly 15 now, and I don't think people realise that, that when I was a total BEEP I was like 10/11.

[jesus]

edit: nvm

[php.net]

I can see this thread provoking arguments. :(

[Blob]

When he posted about his new work, I was actually going to stick up for him but you guys were not being harsh =D

He has changed.

[DarrenToogood]

I have changed, and thanks for the support. I want 2008 to be a better year for us all, and move on.

[php.net]

I'd suggest you change how you type. It makes you look like a failed businessman. ;)

[today]

Edit; nvm actually.

[Jõnathan]

I'd suggest you change how you type. It makes you look like a failed businessman. ;)
Oops.
You ignited the fire again.

[DarrenToogood]

I think the way I type is fine. I believe in a professional approach, not the unprofessional approach that some people take.

[DeejayMachoo$]

I think the way I type is fine. I believe in a professional approach, not the unprofessional approach that some people take.

Odea, odea odea, but your not pro?

[DarrenToogood]

There are different levels of professionalism.

[Florx]

There *are* ...

Just to let you know.

Anyway I like the site and good luck :p

[DarrenToogood]

Thanks for your support. I am currently (at a snails pace) learning how to make basic websites. Over the coming weeks I will build upon the website, addnig bits here and bobs there :)

[today]

I think the way I type is fine. I believe in a professional approach, not the unprofessional approach that some people take.
Theres "professional" and then theres over the top.

You reach the over the top.

[DarrenToogood]

Please could you explain why I am 'over the top'. I think alot of people our age speak normally, however due to my problems mainly and my attitude I speak different.

I have the condition Sematic Pragmatic Disorder (google it).

[Awfy]

When it comes to Darren Toogood I have been one of the worst critisizers of all. He recently messaged me about becoming part of my MMOCC and I thought theres no harm in speaking to him and looking at his application. I have just spoken to him and hes completely changed, he is actually a really nice guy. Some of you should take the time to speak to him like I just have, it really will change your view of him. So please before you lay into him next time, speak to him first.
Thing is if something doesn't go his way that's when he lose the rag.

A couple of months ago when Kurby was being developed for the first time. One of the staff got contacted by Darren as he wanted a job on the site. We told him that we weren't allowed to hire people under the age of 16 due to UK laws. He quickly turned nasty trying to say we were discreminating against his age and that he was going to take us to court. If someone says things like that to try and threaten me into giving them a PAID job then I'm obviously not going to change my opinion about them.

[Chippiewill]

People change as time moves on.

I havn't been on this forum for very long, but I do know that some people on here are very childish or one day were.


p.s. you can't sue someone because they think your to young, thats like saying 'I am sueing the goverment because I can't buy alchohol' :P

[Awfy]

I havn't been on this forum for very long, but I do know that some people on here are very childish or one day were.


p.s. you can't sue someone because they think your to young, thats like saying 'I am sueing the goverment because I can't buy alchohol' :P
Also he said he'd sue us for Age Discrimination when that law only covers people of the age 40 and over :P So we automatically knew he was lieing.

[Jõnathan]

In response to the thread title:
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=443710
Looks like some people CAN'T leave it.

[DarrenToogood]

because some people are just too immature to move on.

[Awfy]

because some people are just too immature to move on.
Darren it's because of your immaturity that got you to the position you are in, where majority of people are disgraced at the thought of you on this forum. Problem with you is you give people cheek then when you do work that isn't anything special, possibly even tippy toeing into the bad you complain when people bad word it. You need to grow up and mature before others will do the same around you.

I'm pretty sure when you're not in the picture most of the people are mature and take this quite realistically, however when you stick your big head in you muck it all up and kick people off. Like myself. When you tried to also threaten me when I was going to sell a layout I made for your old MMOCC as I left the company after reading all the truths about it. I even let you use the logo I made yet you still complained.

From the previous thread it's clear to see you haven't changed, still using other people's work for you own gain.

Darren, grow up then try to tell others.

[DarrenToogood]

I am mature thank you. Throughout your above post, your relating BACk to the PAST. The past is int he past and can not be changed, there is nothing I, you or anyone can do about that, however we have to learn to move on into the future.

I am not sure what you are on about 'using other peoples work for your own gain'.

[Awfy]

I am mature thank you. Throughout your above post, your relating BACk to the PAST. The past is int he past and can not be changed, there is nothing I, you or anyone can do about that, however we have to learn to move on into the future.

I am not sure what you are on about 'using other peoples work for your own gain'.
Fuzion Magazine and my design work. Don't say "All I used was your images" if you look at it it's basically a shrunk down version of the original with grey text. Yet no where on your portfolio does it say "This was made by Greg Cooper". No as you don't want people knowing that the best bit of design work on your portfolio was done by someone else.

Then onto the big one Fuzion Magazine or whatever it's called. YOU DIDN'T DESIGN IT! A team of people did so you have no right to feature it on your portfolio. You don't see the guy who was part of the team who made the BBC site having it displayed on his portfolio as it's not his own work. It's the BBC Web Development team's work.

[DarrenToogood]

Ok, just to clear it up I was the main designer on the team. The other name featured within the magazine credits (James) only did the little speaker design. I did every page layout, the headers and footers, imputting text etc etc.

I assume by 'my work' you are talking about MMOStartup. At the time I was working for MMOStartup and therefore has permission to use the graphics to create a splash page while the main website was being developed. I have not stolen your design, I used the design as I had permission to. If your that worried I will remove it, even though I don't have to.

[Awfy]

Ok, just to clear it up I was the main designer on the team. The other name featured within the magazine credits (James) only did the little speaker design. I did every page layout, the headers and footers, imputting text etc etc.

I assume by 'my work' you are talking about MMOStartup. At the time I was working for MMOStartup and therefore has permission to use the graphics to create a splash page while the main website was being developed. I have not stolen your design, I used the design as I had permission to. If your that worried I will remove it, even though I don't have to.
Technically you do, due to the fact it's not YOUR design. I'm not on about stealing graphics, I'm putting across the fact you are using graphics and saying you made them trying to get customers. All you've done is add grey text, which didn't even get used on the site.

So remove the image.

[DarrenToogood]

I did do some design. I took what belonged to the business and made a splash page design. I think you are thinking of 'Design' as making things from scratch, when I see Design as taking other parts and putting them together, and sometimes creating things from scratch.

(I do not rip if thats what you are thinking).

[Awfy]

No you're using MY WORK for YOUR PROFIT. I wouldn't take graphics you made then fling them together to make one and try to use it to make profit. As it's not my work.

[DarrenToogood]

Indeed you did make the Logo on MMOStartup, however you made it for the business, therefore the business can do what they wish with him.

http://www.waxcrayon-publishing.com/ are showing Fusion, however I did the majority of it, but I made it for Fusion.

[Awfy]

Indeed you did make the Logo on MMOStartup, however you made it for the business, therefore the business can do what they wish with him.

http://www.waxcrayon-publishing.com/ are showing Fusion, however I did the majority of it, but I made it for Fusion.
Yeah, but that's a company portfolio not an individual's portfolio. Don't you understand the basics? MMOStartup have the permission to display it as theirs as it's theirs. Just because you made a splash paging using their graphics doesn't mean its your. You have no right to be displaying it as yours.

[DarrenToogood]

Waxcrayon-Publishing is just one man living in a small village.

It is mine, because I made most of it, just not the logo.

[MrPinkPanther]

If awfy created the logo you have to remove it from your portfolio if he wishes. Any designs you create are auto-copyrighted in the UK hence its copyrighted to him. Just remove it, you can do alot better anyway ;)

[php.net]

Darren, remove it and stop being immature. You're making your image worse by running around in circles.

[Awfy]

Just remove it and make something yourself. Even though it won't be as good you can try :)

[RedCrisps]

i don't even think your designs are that good, that splash page was just abit of gradient and some text with awfy's logo so ya :D

YOUR DESIGNS ARE CRAP
YOU FAILED :]

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[Liberation]

You cant bloody use someone's logo they made. Its like Audi going to Porsche and taking their wheels, interior and engine and sellling it on; or something like that.

Take it off and make your own.

[DarrenToogood]

I have now removed it from the portfolio, even though I did not have to as the logo belonged to the business not him personally, however removed.

[Liberation]

So what if it belonged to the Business? Not as if im gonna go to Tesco.com and take their logo and sell it on a design am I? Which is what you have basically said.

[DarrenToogood]

I made that design for the business MMOStartup, therefore I had the right to use that logo.

[Liberation]

o. I thought it was another company who made it and you just took off. However, you should still get permission from the original creater of the logo.

[DarrenToogood]

I should not have to, because once a design is made (Awfy's logo for MMOStartup) the business then owns all rights to that design, and the creator has no ownership over it.

[RedCrisps]

well it was used for another company, not yours so basically you did rip it :]]

[DarrenToogood]

I have not 'ripped' - what are you talking about?

I worked for MMOStartup...I was asked to make a splash page, so I did using their logo like anyone else would :S

[RedCrisps]

but a portfolio is ment to be your work, not no one elses :]]

[Liberation]

Its stupid making your portfolio and putting someone else's work on it. Just stupid. wth do you thinka portfolio is for?

[RedCrisps]

well all of 'his' work is someone elses :] and that signiture thing is abit of text and the default photoshop brush i could do better in fireworks lmao :P

[Liberation]

well all of 'his' work is someone elses :] and that signiture thing is abit of text and the default photoshop brush i could do better in fireworks lmao :P

Exactly. Someone with no photoshop experience could do that tbh. Get the marquee tool, fill it in with the colour, grab the text tool and type whatever and take the default grass brush.

[Cixso]

Can I just mention why I dislike him?

I dislike him because when I didn't purchase his templates I must of burst his bubble because all I got was a why, my design is better.

I chosen Georges over his layout. Probably a mistake in telling him.

We all have our own opinions about each other, and no threads will ever change it. It's nice to see people sticking up for each other but it is our own opinions. Everybody must respect that.

[RedCrisps]

http://i12.tinypic.com/8g8oxgk.png
2 minutes in fireworks.

[DarrenToogood]

and it looks awful. The colours used at the start of each word are too bright, and the bits on the side look like the eraser tool. The grey is too grey.

[Awfy]

and it looks awful. The colours used at the start of each word are too bright, and the bits on the side look like the eraser tool. The grey is too grey.
He was taking the mick you moron...

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[RedCrisps]

its a joke, read it pls :]

[DarrenToogood]

but still, it just shows that you have to have a vision to do things.

[RedCrisps]

but still, it just shows that you have to have a vision to do things.
sorry i don't get that but i am implying the only thing you made which is your signiture is crap

[Liberation]

Darren, it took him 2 minutes. And tbh, not much diff. to yours.

[DarrenToogood]

Its alot different. His looks tacky and childish, mine looks professional and clean.

[Awfy]

Its alot different. His looks tacky and childish, mine looks professional and clean.
GET PROFESSIONAL AND RAM IT WHERE THE SUN DON'T SHINE!

Never use that word again Darren, you now have no right to since you don't know the meaning of it. Your signature isn't professional, I've seen better stuff made as a joke on Paint. Yours is so basic and serves no real purpose due to the fact your portfolio in turn serves no purpose.

Tell you want, find professional in your dictionary and scribble it out.

[RedCrisps]

Its alot different. His looks tacky and childish, mine looks professional and clean.
No, yours looks ugly and off putting.