i dont know if its just me..

[Breakfloor]

but i feel that im at riskreporting now. so many mods with so many friends like.

say i reported some guy and a mod was good friends with him then theres a big risk that they will tell the person who reported.

no names being mentioned but theres one specific mod that stopping me reporting. no names being mentioned.

[VPSwow]

I would PM J1mi if i was you :)

[Jamesy]

so we have the moderator mafia on here, the super mod sopranos. Lol.

[Breakfloor]

i just want to know if anyone else feels the same.

[jesus]

i just want to know if anyone else feels the same.i dont :) i dont see why you should too, mods arent like that.

[Breakfloor]

quite a few times ive reported and a mod has told somebody. but we never have solid proof.

[Favourtism]

If this has hapened then report it too J1MI and Elkaa as moderators shouldn't be giving out private infomation etc ;)

[Breakfloor]

i have before but they say "do you have solid proof?" and we cant have solid proof.

i was friends with this guy and he said something racist. i reported it and all of a sudden he was a total **** to me. giving me -reps and everything.

so, you know. its kind of obvious than someone has told them.

[Catzsy]

Well it is a difficult issue to deal with. If you are not sure - don't report. I am sure somebody else will however if its really bad abuse you should really. Mods are supposed to keep anything within that forum to themselves anyway but if it makes you feel bad leave it alone. However if you feel there is a strong possibilty that it has leaked to the person concerned and you are getting - rep for it I would post it here and it can be dealt with in private. :)

http://www.habboxforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1331

[VPSwow]

If this is part of the new batch they may need reminding about the rules. So reporting this to J1mi or Elkaa as said above will solve this problem. I know J1mi is working hard to make sure the new moderaters know exactly what to do.

[Breakfloor]

im not saying the one person is in new batch or old.

but the one with that guy was old.

[Corporal]

i dont :) i dont see why you should too, mods arent like that.
When ever i report one of your posts, YOU answer it!
how is that fair?
You also have had more fractions reported and reserved that are given by you then i have seen in a short space of time.

[buttons]

i have before but they say "do you have solid proof?" and we cant have solid proof.

i was friends with this guy and he said something racist. i reported it and all of a sudden he was a total **** to me. giving me -reps and everything.

so, you know. its kind of obvious than someone has told them.
Yes!!!
a moderator was racist towards me on msn and i reported it, they asked for proof and i gave them it and they said it could have easily been edited! i was rather shocked actually. & it's probably 'cause he was rather popular on the forum, so y'know.

oh and btw,
i sent it to this jimi guy, i didn't receive a reply, and i asked him to check it. :| and i sent it to elkaa i think [was told to] and nothing was done bout it.

[Breakfloor]

i dont think moderators should even look in the thread thats reporting THEIR post.

[Catzsy]

Yes!!!
a moderator was racist towards me on msn and i reported it, they asked for proof and i gave them it and they said it could have easily been edited! i was rather shocked actually. & it's probably 'cause he was rather popular on the forum, so y'know.

I do find that the msn rule is somewhat inflexible. Why would you bother complaining about it if you had made it up? Very few people would do this out of spite. I do think that MSN logs should be considered.

The person complained about always has the right to present their side of the story. I am sure a sensible person would know what was faked and what wasn't. Also if it was known that perhaps MSN logs could be taken into consideration then less people would think they can be offensive on it without any come back. I have been abused via MSN myself and its not nice.

[joshuar]

MSN Logs are never considered as we aren't responisble for staff out of the site. MSN is someones personal thing, so it's up to them what they say.

[@xP]

I've had this sort of issue.
I posed a thread a while back about it.

Edit: http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=435775

[jesus]

When ever i report one of your posts, YOU answer it!
how is that fair?
You also have had more fractions reported and reserved that are given by you then i have seen in a short space of time.i ONCE pmed you telling you that 'dog and bone' meant phone. i was telling you what it means seeing as you didnt realise how obvious it was :)

but yeah this lack of 'keeping it to yourself' with mods shouldnt be happening

[Corporal]

i ONCE pmed you telling you that 'dog and bone' meant phone. i was telling you what it means seeing as you didnt realise how obvious it was :)

but yeah this lack of 'keeping it to yourself' with mods shouldnt be happening

Actually you pmed a few other times over diffrent matters.
Plus you closed one of my threads when it didnt need closing.
Face it, your just power hungry:)

[Naruto!]

I'm not suprised that MODS tell people. On MSN a lot of mods wouldn't care as they can't get in trouble and they just secretely tell their friend who reported them and they probably laugh at the reporter.
I think a few people told me who reported me lol!

[Elkaa]

If it was found out that a moderator was giving out information like this, they would be removed from the team without question. Having situations like this come up isn't what the moderator team are here for.

Dispite some comments above, every PM sent to me/J1MI about a moderator, their edits or their actions is checked, and the appropriate action taken. It's easy to forget to reply to the person who sent the PM if you've just spent a good 15-20 minutes dealing with the situation.

You shouldn't be made to feel like this, and I'd urge you to continue reporting posts. If you find that the person you've reported has because aware, simply send me and J1MI and PM, and we'll try to track down the moderator whos doing it.

[Favourtism]

MSN Logs are never considered as we aren't responisble for staff out of the site. MSN is someones personal thing, so it's up to them what they say.
I think the only thing considered that is out of Habbox is when staff give out infomation to other people?

[jesus]

I think the only thing considered that is out of Habbox is when staff give out infomation to other people?i think hes trying to say its up to them what they want to do outside of habbox

also it cant be helped/proven if its on msn can it

[Corporal]

i think hes trying to say its up to them what they want to do outside of habbox

So habbox wouldn't mind to hire a peadofile?

[jesus]

So habbox wouldn't mind to hire a peadofile?can you please tell me how, in any way, that was related to my post which you quoted before i answer your question?

[Catzsy]

MSN Logs are never considered as we aren't responisble for staff out of the site. MSN is someones personal thing, so it's up to them what they say.

You know I can see what you are saying but if staff use their position on Habbox to bully or abuse people it really doesn't matter where it is as long as there is some notice taken of it. Staff are hardly likely to bully/abuse by pm because they can be caught so MSN or Habbo are the other places. To say its their personal life seems a bit simplistic because how many forums operate on a daily basis without MSN? When this rule was put in place I am sure hardly anybody used it so it was much less complicated. As it stands its virtually a charter for somebody who behaves impeccably on the forum to let loose on MSN or Habbo although I am sure this is a tiny minority. I believe every complaint should be taken notice of and judged individually. It would soon become obvious if there is a problem because it generally wont just be one person suffering.

[Corporal]

can you please tell me how, in any way, that was related to my post which you quoted before i answer your question?
Well you seemed to make it sound like habbox dont mind what you do outside habbox.

[Elkaa]

Well you seemed to make it sound like habbox dont mind what you do outside habbox.

We're not here to tell people what they can and/or can't do outside of Habbox. When you've got the position of Moderator, it's expected that on the forum you act like part of the forum staff, and avoid giving out personal details, such as reported posts.

If it was found out people were using the forum to try and do things which we found inappropriate/againest the law, they'd be banned from the forum, obviously.

[Corporal]

So if a member of staff was breaking the law on msn, would you investegate?

[Hitman]

So if a member of staff was breaking the law on msn, would you investegate?They have no reason to as it's not HabboxForums problem what staff do outside of the forums.

[Elkaa]

So if a member of staff was breaking the law on msn, would you investegate?

The main question there is: How.

Screenshots can be easily faked to make them look real, chat logs can just be written by the user in question and then the member of staff "breaking the law" could just lie, and we wouldn't be able to prove otherwise.

Obviously, we could logon to person X's MSN and see if they talk then, but that would be the only way of doing it, that I can see.

[mat64]

When ever i report one of your posts, YOU answer it!
how is that fair?
You also have had more fractions reported and reserved that are given by you then i have seen in a short space of time.All post reports are checked by a forum super moderator and forwarded on if needed to the correct people and remember, every moderator of that forum receives an email so they could aways forward the post report aswell :).

Yes!!!
a moderator was racist towards me on msn and i reported it, they asked for proof and i gave them it and they said it could have easily been edited! i was rather shocked actually. & it's probably 'cause he was rather popular on the forum, so y'know.These things can be easily faked and Habbox have to be very careful what they remove people over as things can very easily blow up in their face if they get it wrong, trust me I know ;).

[Catzsy]

The main question there is: How.

Screenshots can be easily faked to make them look real, chat logs can just be written by the user in question and then the member of staff "breaking the law" could just lie, and we wouldn't be able to prove otherwise.

Obviously, we could logon to person X's MSN and see if they talk then, but that would be the only way of doing it, that I can see.

I think its just a case of using commonsense and judging each individually.
Most people wouldn't fake a screenie or chatlog.
Example:

Staff A has worked for Habbox for 2 years and has one complaint from a person that is well known for not telling perhaps the whole truth.

Simple decision there.

Staff B has worked for Habbox for 6 months and during this time there have been several complaints from different people. The complaints are similar and so are the words used and style used by the 'offending' staff in each chatlog/screenie.


It would be very difficult not to come to the conclusion that indeed there could be a problem in this instance and something needed to be done about it.

If it was known that it would be considered by Habbox Management and not dismissed as not being the business of Habbox then just this fact would probably put people off doing it. :)

[nvrspk4]

On the topic at hand, if you get this happening to you a lot where people seem to find out, find a SMod you trust, explain the situation, and ask them if you can PM them posts directly.

[---MAD---]

This sort of information should not be given out. If you think a moderator is doing so, report it to J1MI :).

[Breakfloor]

but for god sake, we cant get solid proof because we dont get pms going

LOLOLOL MAT64 PMED ME TELLING ME YOU REPORTED LOL - REP I HATE YOU LOL

i dont think mat64 ever has. just an example.

and if i was told on msn, you wont listen.

so what are we supposed to do?

[Mentor]

meh, if you think its happening really badly and you really think somthing needs reporting or whatever, you can Pm me if im online and id be happy to report it for you :)
Other than thats, theres not alot that can really be done practically due to the nature of the problem. Even if there is a few 1 off bad mods out there, the great majorty are good and have the best intentions "/

[Breakfloor]

well done getting your name back!

[---MAD---]

Moderators will no longer recieve information on who reported the post.

Super moderators still will however :).

[Breakfloor]

how about admins only?

but if not, thanks for listening anyway.

[---MAD---]

We need smods to be able to check who reported posts for references when hiring moderators.

(A)FM sometimes pick moderators from those who report posts regularly ;).

[Catzsy]

Moderators will no longer recieve information on who reported the post.

Super moderators still will however :).

That is a very good decision. Prevention is better than cure.

[Hitman]

That is a very good decision. Prevention is better than cure.I agree, good decision. However, if the user that reports the post wants to be known, they could put their name, like this.

Spam post
- Hitman

Or whatever, but they can keep it confidential now so that's good. Also good SMODs can view names. :D Good work.

[Agesilaus]

Nice going. =]

We need smods to be able to check who reported posts for references when hiring moderators.

(A)FM sometimes pick moderators from those who report posts regularly ;).

I agree, this also helps if we get someone that decides to abuse the reported post feature. Smods check it more often and can deal with it if it's needed.

[Elkaa]

Nice going. =]


I agree, this also helps if we get someone that decides to abuse the reported post feature. Smods check it more often and can deal with it if it's needed.

Just means that information is leaked now, we know exactly where to go to. However, I'm sure the Super Moderator team won't have this issue, so, problem solved. :)

[Agesilaus]

Just means that information is leaked now, we know exactly where to go to.

Indeed it does, I was just pointing out something else.


However, I'm sure the Super Moderator team won't have this issue, so, problem solved. :)

You bet they won't or I'll hunt them down myself! I really can't see the point in giving out this type of information, because all it does, even if it was allowed, is cause problems between members of the forum, of course. It just seems stupid to me as a moderator.

[MAD]

I agree, good decision. However, if the user that reports the post wants to be known, they could put their name, like this.

Spam post
- Hitman

Or whatever, but they can keep it confidential now so that's good. Also good SMODs can view names. :D Good work.
Yes off course. Just like if you want to leave your name in a rep comment to a non vip :).

[@xP]

how about admins only?

but if not, thanks for listening anyway.

It then would be pointless having super moderators tbh. It helps moderators to find reported posts and rule breaking.

Plus, administrators don't have the time to look through reported posts as they have more time consuming jobs.