Post Spams

[zeJosh]

Now, before I start this rant, this is a serious post, and I would not a load of bad comments in this thread!


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My rant starts at the point of, how many people are too concerned with their post count, and are spamming up the forum, with useless threads, useless posts, and moderators, are taking hardly any action towards this issue.
Yes, sorting this issue, could cause a loss of users, due to the fact they cannot get their posts up fast enough, or a loss of reputation because of the forums vast post mounts.

But, if we look through a lot of the threads within the forum, you'll find,
short useless posts, which, are basically just used to gain a post count.


My Suggestions

I believe there a few ways this can be brought to a stop, or, a decrease in useless post counts.


A, post count limit per person.
The ability to vote if the post is useful or not, if it gets say, 10 no's, it should be deleted from the thread, and the person recieves a warning for useless posting.
A higher minimum on the post character limit.

I hope this is taken into consideration.


- Josh

[jesus]

i think the current system is fine, theres nothing wrong with having a high number next to 'post count'. it doesnt change anyones life does it?

if they spam, they get warned and infracted. if they continue they get banned.

[zeJosh]

No, but, people are spamming pointlessely and aren't recieving punishment for it.

[@xP]

No, but, people are spamming pointlessely and aren't recieving punishment for it.

I agree. I don't care about post count. But some people do. Problem is when they Spam it makes the forum look ugly in parts. It's annoying when your browsing through a popular thread and most of the replys are not relevant and a defined as spam.

[jesus]

No, but, people are spamming pointlessely and aren't recieving punishment for it.maybe its because moderators cant do a lot about it, except report to super-mods.

usually we edit posts with a warning telling them not to continue to spam, if they carry on then we report to a smod with evidence of it and they get a more harsh punishment.

[Warezkid2]

Now, before I start this rant, this is a serious post, and I would not a load of bad comments in this thread!


----------

My rant starts at the point of, how many people are too concerned with their post count, and are spamming up the forum, with useless threads, useless posts, and moderators, are taking hardly any action towards this issue.
Yes, sorting this issue, could cause a loss of users, due to the fact they cannot get their posts up fast enough, or a loss of reputation because of the forums vast post mounts.

But, if we look through a lot of the threads within the forum, you'll find,
short useless posts, which, are basically just used to gain a post count.


My Suggestions

I believe there a few ways this can be brought to a stop, or, a decrease in useless post counts.

A, post count limit per person.
The ability to vote if the post is useful or not, if it gets say, 10 no's, it should be deleted from the thread, and the person recieves a warning for useless posting.
A higher minimum on the post character limit.
I hope this is taken into consideration.


- Josh

I argee with you, but some idea are just stupid? lol.



i think the current system is fine, theres nothing wrong with having a high number next to 'post count'. it doesnt change anyones life does it?

if they spam, they get warned and infracted. if they continue they get banned.


yeh, like you spamming? :rolleyes:

[jesus]

I argee with you, but some idea are just stupid? lol.





yeh, like you spamming? :rolleyes:...and what do you call that post?

that was hardly contributing to the topic was it?

i'd like to add: the vote idea would just make people vote a thumbs-down for people they dont like on the forum even if the post was spam. a moderators perception is fine for detecting spam.

[GommeInc]

Are there any examples you wish to share? To be honest, it's a social forum and always has been. Habbox Forum has never been a business/super strict forum and I sure hope it never does.

As REDNECK has said, posts are dealt with and if you cannot be bothered to use the report post button, then they won't be sorted out. Besides, post counts don't mean anything, and although you say you don't care, you seem to if you are worried about people pointlessly posting.

[Corporal]

...and what do you call that post?

that was hardly contributing to the topic was it?

i'd like to add: the vote idea would just make people vote a thumbs-down for people they dont like on the forum even if the post was spam. a moderators perception is fine for detecting spam.

Most of your posts are pointless i reckon.
But you know how to construct them so they appear not to be!
You really are obsessed with this forum.

Edited by opensourcehost (Forum Super Moderator): Please do not be rude.

[myke]

I like 2. and 3. but not 1. however, I have noticed some moderators spamming too and they're supposed to enforce the rules, not break them..

[Hitman]

I agree. I don't care about post count. But some people do. Problem is when they Spam it makes the forum look ugly in parts. It's annoying when your browsing through a popular thread and most of the replys are not relevant and a defined as spam.If you see spam posts use the report icon on the side of the post to report it and it'll get sorted.

I think it's fine how it is; Person spams, mod gives them an infraction. They continue then they get banned. If I see somebody spamming, I report it. It's usually dealt with quickly! ;)

Just going to add, about the post counts; If somebody spams to get a higher post count, they regard post counts as some sort of 'title', if you get me. So their pride and joy post count goes up from spamming, so do the infractions. Eventually they'll be banned or warned to stop - so problem solved.

[myke]

@ Above, if you report a moderator then they'll be like LOL.

and uh post counts are just stupid. They use it to be '1337' "ye, luk at mi i have 2000000 posts i dnt have a life yeeeeee im gangstaaa' thats the way I see it anyway.

[Hitman]

@ Above, if you report a moderator then they'll be like LOL.

and uh post counts are just stupid. They use it to be '1337' "ye, luk at mi i have 2000000 posts i dnt have a life yeeeeee im gangstaaa' thats the way I see it anyway.If you see a moderator spamming report it to J1MI or Elkaa. They can take action and warn the moderator. ;)

[Warezkid2]

If you see a moderator spamming report it to J1MI or Elkaa. They can take action and warn the moderator. ;)


and they do nothing


reported like 8 from the same mod

just some edits. nothing else.

[Hitman]

and they do nothing


reported like 8 from the same mod

just some edits. nothing else.I'm sure they do something, Jake. But they may know you have a grudge against the mod (which I know you have one again a certain mod) or they think it's not a good enough reason to take action.

[Catzsy]

Honestly does it matter that much? There are rules in place to govern short answers and posts not relevant to threads so they just need reporting in the usual way.

Some people just like to post a lot - simple as that - its not as if it means a lot. Quality is more important than quantity as far as I am concerned although I do post in forum games sometimes myself.

It doesn't spoil my enjoyment of the forum though. If someone is excessively spamming it becomes obvious very quickly.

[Hitman]

Honestly does it matter that much? There are rules in place to govern short answers and posts not relevant to threads so they just need reporting in the usual way.

Some people just like to post a lot - simple as that - its not as if it means a lot. Quality is more important than quantity as far as I am concerned although I do post in forum games sometimes myself.

It doesn't spoil my enjoyment of the forum though. If someone is excessively spamming it becomes obvious very quickly.Good post Rosie, I would +rep you but I can't atm. :(

With your last comment it does become obvious and the moderators or admins deal with it, so all is well! :D

I have to admit, since the new moderators were introduced many more threads are being dealt with quicker, which is logical. :P

[benjamin]

1. Stupid idea really..
2. Nope, people could just all gang up to vote people badly etc.
3. That can be bypassed with spaces such as between two letters..

[Warezkid2]

I'm sure they do something, Jake. But they may know you have a grudge against the mod (which I know you have one again a certain mod) or they think it's not a good enough reason to take action.


Not really.

I meant to everyone.

[Slowpoke]

Now, before I start this rant, this is a serious post, and I would not a load of bad comments in this thread!


----------

My rant starts at the point of, how many people are too concerned with their post count, and are spamming up the forum, with useless threads, useless posts, and moderators, are taking hardly any action towards this issue.
Yes, sorting this issue, could cause a loss of users, due to the fact they cannot get their posts up fast enough, or a loss of reputation because of the forums vast post mounts.

But, if we look through a lot of the threads within the forum, you'll find,
short useless posts, which, are basically just used to gain a post count.


My Suggestions

I believe there a few ways this can be brought to a stop, or, a decrease in useless post counts.

A, post count limit per person.
The ability to vote if the post is useful or not, if it gets say, 10 no's, it should be deleted from the thread, and the person recieves a warning for useless posting.
A higher minimum on the post character limit.
I hope this is taken into consideration.


- Josh

One - That would never happen because some people do make a lot of genuine posts in a day and this would cause restricted access to the forums.
Two - People would vote spam on members they hate. I know for a fact this would happen.
Three - Forum games do not require more than 6 characters per post a lot of the time.

[Agesilaus]

I think it's fine how it is; Person spams, mod gives them an infraction.

No no no no, we do not give infractions or warnings for spamming/pointless posts. There was a time when the spam forum was closed and at that time some smods gave out warnings for pointless posts instructed by the forum management, but only until the spam forum was open again, so if you got a warning for pointless posting on that day, that's fair.

But, if you've received a warning or infraction by a moderator recently for pointless posting, post in the Report Infraction Problems (link in my signature) and we'll look into it and remove it if that's the reason you received it.


They continue then they get banned.

Indeed. Repeated amount of pointless posting can result in a temporary ban, by pointless posts, I mean posts that aren't saying anything towards another post or about the thread topic. For example, saying "LOL!", "Yeah." "No. "Hmm".

Here is the rule with more examples:

B2. Don't post short or meaningless posts / spam - We don't want replies like "i dono" or "why" or "yeah". We have set the forum so that any message must contain at least 9 characters, do not try to get around this by adding meaningless characters.
If you notice someone spamming a lot, when you report a spam post, mention that they've been doing it a lot or private message a smod and we'll review their account's posts. ;)

[sierk1]

I think it is hard to be stricter against people posting a lot of short messages. Some short messages are with the best intentions, we can't ask our moderators do decide which people should be punished for posting a short message, and which not.
Maybe it would be nice if we could set a limit to the amount of short post one person can make per day, but this is not an option in vBulletin. We can only set a minimum lenght per post for everybody, and I think this is already set up fine.

[Hitman]

No no no no, we do not give infractions or warnings for spamming/pointless posts. There was a time when the spam forum was closed and at that time some smods gave out warnings for pointless posts instructed by the forum management, but only until the spam forum was open again, so if you got a warning for pointless posting on that day, that's fair.
Ah they don't get warnings for spamming? I thought they did. :P My mistake!

But as I said it seems fine now.

[Agesilaus]

Ah they don't get warnings for spamming? I thought they did. :P My mistake!

They used to do it, I believe, but it's changed since, so yeah. :)

[Mentor]

A post count limit? Maybe you should think though your suggestions just a wincy bit more...

[---MAD---]

Spam is annoying definitely (if its done in the wrong places). Spam forum is for all the spam.

We could increase the minimum characters per post, thats a good idea however we cannot do any of the other suggestions on vBulletin.

The best thing to do is report any users in the Report rule breakers forum and an smod/admin will take care of it from there. Its very important you supply links as well.

[zeJosh]

Spam is annoying definitely (if its done in the wrong places). Spam forum is for all the spam.

We could increase the minimum characters per post, thats a good idea however we cannot do any of the other suggestions on vBulletin.

The best thing to do is report any users in the Report rule breakers forum and an smod/admin will take care of it from there. Its very important you supply links as well.

Thanks.
Good to know something might be done

[Hitman]

We could increase the minimum characters per post, thats a good idea however we cannot do any of the other suggestions on vBulletin.

Only problem with that is say the limit is 20, somebody would do this:

Lol............................................... ................................................

or something similar to bypass it, which is leaving the problem unsolved. :(

[Agesilaus]

Only problem with that is say the limit is 20, somebody would do this:

Lol............................................... ................................................

or something similar to bypass it, which is leaving the problem unsolved. :(

Lmao, ways around everything?

We edit for stuff like that as it is against the rules. :P

[today]

I would like to see the character limiter higher really :) Only thing is your allowed to avoid the limit in the forum games by doing

"four..........................."
"apples............................."

[Hitman]

Lmao, ways around everything?

We edit for stuff like that as it is against the rules. :PYeah, well, I usually find a way. :P


I would like to see the character limiter higher really :) Only thing is your allowed to avoid the limit in the forum games by doing

"four..........................."
"apples............................."

Yeah, it can also be in normal posts. So let's see:

Forum with 6 character limit gets a spam post: lol...
Mod edits the post.
Forum with 12 character limit gets a spam post: lol.........
Mod edits the post.

Same thing happens! They bypass it both times, just using more characters. The mod will still edit/warn the user in both cases so is there really a point in upping the character limit?

[today]

As normally certain users just post like "good luck" and get away with it now they wouldnt :]

[Hitman]

As normally certain users just post like "good luck" and get away with it now they wouldnt :]
They would, all they have to do is post "good luck........................" or something that fills in the last spaces of the limit.

[today]

And they'll get warned for it.

Posts like that i think are spam, others may disagree but specially just "good luck" "iya welcome" i cant stand! :(

[Catzsy]

And they'll get warned for it.

Posts like that i think are spam, others may disagree but specially just "good luck" "iya welcome" i cant stand! :(

Yes but lots of people including higher management don't use more words than necessary. In the welcome forum especially why isn't welcome or Hiya enough. It's positive and quite honestly the rest is just a form of lingunistic garnish. Spam would probably be LOL, Go away or bog off! :D

[today]

We have different views on spam :) As iya welcome is what people C&P oftenly where as the odd one, or two users actually say "hii welcome to the forum!" yes it means the same but looks better imo.

:]

[Catzsy]

We have different views on spam :) As iya welcome is what people C&P oftenly where as the odd one, or two users actually say "hii welcome to the forum!" yes it means the same but looks better imo.

:]

Well yes that's what I use but if you don't know the person it's hard to
really post a meaningful message so 'Welcome' is just fine in my view and certainly wouldn't merit a pm or anything.

Would you consider there to be spamming in this thread - i.e. off topic and
not really relevant:D:eusa_whis

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=447833&page=3

Sorry just couldn't resist. xox

On a serious note though there is a lot of spamming on the Habbox Site that should be looked into.
The news is good but the comments on the articles are just mainly rubbish. Perhaps these should be moderated?
Example:
Good article on credits followed by complete spam.
http://www.habbox.com/site//content/view/3286/1/

[Hitman]

And they'll get warned for it.

Posts like that i think are spam, others may disagree but specially just "good luck" "iya welcome" i cant stand! :(Yeah, good. But I mean changing the character limit will have no effect it'll be bypassed.

[Agesilaus]

Yeah, it can also be in normal posts. So let's see:

Forum with 6 character limit gets a spam post: lol...
Mod edits the post.
Forum with 12 character limit gets a spam post: lol.........
Mod edits the post.

Same thing happens! They bypass it both times, just using more characters.

That's a good point.


The mod will still edit/warn the user in both cases so is there really a point in upping the character limit?

And they'll get warned for it.

As I said before - as moderators, we only edit spam/pointless posts, we do not give warnings. It's not an issue that involves the infraction system.



Posts like that i think are spam, others may disagree but specially just "good luck" "iya welcome" i cant stand! :(


Ouch, I think those type of comments are fine in my opinion.


Yes but lots of people including higher management don't use more words than necessary. In the welcome forum especially why isn't welcome or Hiya enough. It's positive and quite honestly the rest is just a form of lingunistic garnish. Spam would probably be LOL, Go away or bog off! :D

I agree, that's exactly right. Short and positive and constructive comments that are still in some way adding yourself to the topic or another post is fine, but the "LOL" is just pointless and the "Go away!" Or "Bog off!" Would also be posting rude and unproductive comments.



We have different views on spam :) As iya welcome is what people C&P oftenly where as the odd one, or two users actually say "hii welcome to the forum!" yes it means the same but looks better imo.



Well yes that's what I use but if you don't know the person it's hard to really post a meaningful message so 'Welcome' is just fine in my view and certainly wouldn't merit a pm or anything.

I agree with Catzsy here, and I may add, some forums are more strict with this type of thing than others. With the forum I used to moderate before this one, they used to really crack down on spam and off topic comments, I guess it's just with the forum culture, and the opinions of the management.

[Paulio]

It's a forum, forums are supposed to be posted on. If post count is removed a lot of people will not doubt leave as they enjoy having high post counts. As sad as it is, I remember when I first joined on my other account in 2004. I used to love my reputation and post count, it used to encourage me to post more which is good for the forum.

If you're unhappy with pointless posts, report them to a forum moderator and they will be dealt with.

[---MAD---]

Only problem with that is say the limit is 20, somebody would do this:

Lol............................................... ................................................

or something similar to bypass it, which is leaving the problem unsolved. :(
Yes thats very true, which is why there is not real point in increasing it. But then again, theres a way around nearly everything on the internet ;).

Thanks.
Good to know something might be done
Oh definitely. Last thing we want are a bunch of spammers annoying everyone ;).

[FlyingJesus]

If you can make up grounds for it then I think you should move this thread to spam just for the irony.

[Hitman]

As I said before - as moderators, we only edit spam/pointless posts, we do not give warnings. It's not an issue that involves the infraction system.

http://habboxforum.com/showpost.php?p=4384484&postcount=34

Well Hollywood thinks they get warned or whatever, I was just posting what would happen (they get the post edited or whatever)... that's why I said warned but they don't get warned so I don't know why Hollywood said they do. :S

[Agesilaus]

http://habboxforum.com/showpost.php?p=4384484&postcount=34

Well Hollywood thinks they get warned or whatever, I was just posting what would happen (they get the post edited or whatever)... that's why I said warned but they don't get warned so I don't know why Hollywood said they do. :S

As you can see, my comment was directed to both quotes. ;)




The mod will still edit/warn the user in both cases so is there really a point in upping the character limit?

And they'll get warned for it.

As I said before - as moderators, we only edit spam/pointless posts, we do not give warnings. It's not an issue that involves the infraction system.

[Hitman]

As you can see, my comment was directed to both quotes. ;)
Ah right I thought I saw the name Hitman on both quotes. :P

[today]

http://habboxforum.com/showpost.php?p=4384484&postcount=34

Well Hollywood thinks they get warned or whatever, I was just posting what would happen (they get the post edited or whatever)... that's why I said warned but they don't get warned so I don't know why Hollywood said they do. :S
I meant warned as in mod edit not warning/infraction side of things.

[jackass]

Why do you care so much about a post count? :S

Edit; Sorry for double post, internet disconnected so I didn't think it posted.

Merged by Agesilaus (Forum Super Moderator): Post merged due to accidentally double posting.