Does the UK need a President and reform in politics?

[-:Undertaker:-]

http://news.uk.msn.com/why-britain-needs-a-president.aspx

I think the United States have a much better system to be honest, their politics makes people interested and is far less sleazy than ours. I also find the way our voting system is run is totally wrong with seats counting rather than votes.

So is it time the UK has a President and reform?

[Lycan]

Nope =)

[Awfy]

Yeah, as I'd love to pay for everything you ever need such as health care and the likes. It's a lot simpler just paying tax than having to take out countless insurance policies just to survive.

The thing we should copy right the US is the Prison scheme, so people who are given life in jail, actually have to spend life there. Not a maximum of 40 years, which 9/10 it's more like 16/17 years.

A good thing would be to get rid of the Royal Family since they provide us with nothing...

[Clowgon]

http://news.uk.msn.com/why-britain-needs-a-president.aspx

I think the United States have a much better system to be honest, their politics makes people interested and is far less sleazy than ours. I also find the way our voting system is run is totally wrong with seats counting rather than votes.

So is it time the UK has a President and reform?

I totally agree with what you said about the voting system it should be Votes rather than seating. But since the 20th century britain havent had
a strong leadership as of then. Do you follow American Politics?

If i was the PM these is what i whould do.

ban all racist party Eg BNP etc.
Kick out anyone who is not a British Citizen.
Kick out any foreigners who comit a crime.
Ban any pepole sending family or friends from any country.
Pepole who are 50-100 dont have to work.
Get every fit lazy **** in the country to do a course or work.
Bulid many more prisions.
Set a Green target for every household in the country.
More police on the streets.
Anyone who comits a really bad crime they serve the full Sentence.
Pepole who dont work pay taxes.

Thats some of the things i whould do.

[Awfy]

ban all racist party Eg BNP etc. - Hmmm, not sure.
Kick out anyone who is not a British Citizen. - Doesn't this contradict your first point?
Kick out any foreigners who comit a crime. - Also contradicting your first point?
Ban any pepole sending family or friends from any country. - Sending them? As in through the post?
Pepole who are 50-100 dont have to work. - A lot of people at that age enjoy working, as it gives them something to do.
Get every fit lazy **** in the country to do a course or work. - AGREED! Government needs to quit giving them more money than someone doing a college course gets.
Bulid many more prisions. - I say destroy some, so they have to be squashed into the ones we have left. That should stop them committing more crimes.
Set a Green target for every household in the country. - I prefer Sun though, plus the Ice Age was global warming and it basically created every hill you see around you.
More police on the streets. - Perfect solution to crime, as a town Policeman knows everyone by name (especially in smaller towns). So this stops a lot of crime straight away.
Anyone who comits a really bad crime they serve the full Sentence. - Life should be life, not just 40 years.
Pepole who dont work pay taxes. - Double taxes :D Just so they can't afford drink and ****.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I totally agree with what you said about the voting system it should be Votes rather than seating. But since the 20th century britain havent had
a strong leadership as of then. Do you follow American Politics?

If i was the PM these is what i whould do.

ban all racist party Eg BNP etc.
Kick out anyone who is not a British Citizen.
Kick out any foreigners who comit a crime.
Ban any pepole sending family or friends from any country.
Pepole who are 50-100 dont have to work.
Get every fit lazy **** in the country to do a course or work.
Bulid many more prisions.
Set a Green target for every household in the country.
More police on the streets.
Anyone who comits a really bad crime they serve the full Sentence.
Pepole who dont work pay taxes.

Thats some of the things i whould do.


I do follow USA Politics, yes :)

Also explain how the BNP is racist, because some of the policies you have just mentioned they get called racist for saying the exact same thing.

[Virgin Mary]

I love how people are scared of the power the queen has. Cause she's suddenly gonna dissolve parliament and take control of the armies of the commonwealth and wage war on the rest of the world :rolleyes:

We are apparently getting fatter anyway, why not follow America in politics too.

[Awfy]

To be honest, the best thing for the UK atm is the removing of all laws which concern racism. Racism wouldn't even exsit if it wasn't for the media and government's parts. People would still accept it as politically correct if the British Government didn't step in and muck it all up.

[Clowgon]

I do follow USA Politics, yes :)

Also explain how the BNP is racist, because some of the policies you have just mentioned they get called racist for saying the exact same thing.

Racism is at the very heart of the British National Party. It is racism that separates it from any other political party. And it is racism that attracts many of its members.

Of course the BNP denies this. It knows how hateful its views appear, and has tried to make its language less crude. But the song remains the same. BNP publications are still filled with racist articles, lies about immigration and asylum, and distorted figures in an attempt to portray black people as criminals and dole scroungers.

Today, the BNP has dropped its policy of compulsory repatriation and replaced it with a voluntary scheme. Make no mistake about it, this move is designed to win over supporters. The party recognise that the vast majority of people found its previous policy abhorrent. But the small print of BNP policy makes clear its true aims. The BNP claims that a BNP led government would consider forcible repatriation if not enough “non-whites” took up its offer.

If the BNP does not publicly support compulsory repatriation, it makes no attempt to hide its backing for an apartheid state in Britain. Current party literature proposes to “protect and preserve the racial and cultural integrity of the British people – and of others too, the party believes in separation”.

A few years this what was also said.

Privately, the BNP leaders have continued to air their real political views. “All black people will be repatriated, even if they were born here”, BNP leader Nick Griffin told Wales on Sunday in 1996. “We must preserve the white race, because it has been responsible for all the good things in civilisation”

Several BNP members have put this racism into practice:

Former National Organiser Richard Edmonds was convicted for his part in a vicious bottle attack on a mixed race couple in a pub in East London 1993

BNP supporter Stuart Kerr was sentenced to 12 years imprisonment for firebombing an Asian shop in Chichester, Sussex.

BNP leader Nick Griffin was convicted of incitement to racial hatred in April 1998.


The BNP organiser for Waltham Forest, Alan Gould, was convicted of racially abusing people in a pub in 2000 Former BNP member David Copeland was sentenced to six life sentences after planting bombs in London. He wanted to start a race war.


It tells you alot about BNP.

I think dont think BNP have any Black,Asian or asian in their group.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Racism is at the very heart of the British National Party. It is racism that separates it from any other political party. And it is racism that attracts many of its members.

Of course the BNP denies this. It knows how hateful its views appear, and has tried to make its language less crude. But the song remains the same. BNP publications are still filled with racist articles, lies about immigration and asylum, and distorted figures in an attempt to portray black people as criminals and dole scroungers.

Today, the BNP has dropped its policy of compulsory repatriation and replaced it with a voluntary scheme. Make no mistake about it, this move is designed to win over supporters. The party recognise that the vast majority of people found its previous policy abhorrent. But the small print of BNP policy makes clear its true aims. The BNP claims that a BNP led government would consider forcible repatriation if not enough “non-whites” took up its offer.

If the BNP does not publicly support compulsory repatriation, it makes no attempt to hide its backing for an apartheid state in Britain. Current party literature proposes to “protect and preserve the racial and cultural integrity of the British people – and of others too, the party believes in separation”.

A few years this what was also said.

Privately, the BNP leaders have continued to air their real political views. “All black people will be repatriated, even if they were born here”, BNP leader Nick Griffin told Wales on Sunday in 1996. “We must preserve the white race, because it has been responsible for all the good things in civilisation”

Several BNP members have put this racism into practice:

Former National Organiser Richard Edmonds was convicted for his part in a vicious bottle attack on a mixed race couple in a pub in East London 1993

BNP supporter Stuart Kerr was sentenced to 12 years imprisonment for firebombing an Asian shop in Chichester, Sussex.

BNP leader Nick Griffin was convicted of incitement to racial hatred in April 1998.


The BNP organiser for Waltham Forest, Alan Gould, was convicted of racially abusing people in a pub in 2000 Former BNP member David Copeland was sentenced to six life sentences after planting bombs in London. He wanted to start a race war.


It tells you alot about BNP.

I think dont think BNP have any Black,Asian or asian in their group.

I agree with them, white britain must be preseved just as the Austrialians and the Americans care for their own people. Yeah the BNP does attract racists but it is overblown by the three main political parties and the Media.

I would believe BNP/Newspaper figures on immigration far more than the Labour partys figures as they don't even know how many illegal aliens are in the country and don't include them in their statistics.

[Jamesy]

Yeah, as I'd love to pay for everything you ever need such as health care and the likes. It's a lot simpler just paying tax than having to take out countless insurance policies just to survive.

The thing we should copy right the US is the Prison scheme, so people who are given life in jail, actually have to spend life there. Not a maximum of 40 years, which 9/10 it's more like 16/17 years.

A good thing would be to get rid of the Royal Family since they provide us with nothing...


Didn't we just sign away to the EU anyway :P

Healthcare thing too yes, I agree with you on that. (did you watch Sicko?)

I would vouch for bringing back the death penatly for the worst criminals. That is where the US has it right. No more human rights crap for terrorists because they tried to blow people up.

[Technologic]

Why does everyone want to rid of our ******* traditions?

Britannia is no longer going to printed on coins from april...

Why rid of the monarchy?

Our government system is fine, iot's just the politicans who are int he wrong. Same with the USA

[Clowgon]

I agree with them, white britain must be preseved just as the Austrialians and the Americans care for their own people. Yeah the BNP does attract racists but it is overblown by the three main political parties and the Media.

I would believe BNP/Newspaper figures on immigration far more than the Labour partys figures as they don't even know how many illegal aliens are in the country and don't include them in their statistics.

No not at all i dont agree with that. I strongly agree there is to many pepole who come over here thinking there own the god dam place.

There is to many pepole from Asian backgrounds over here. No wonder pepole think asians are terrorist.
No wonder Britians Economic Growth is bad.

[Virgin Mary]

I think a lot of people lack knowledge of history, especially concerning dictators, considering most people's opinions. If anything is changed, it should be the curriculum and be more to do with political history and general politics rather than rocks or whatever.

I'm surprised the BNP hasn't been removed already, considering it is essentially the British equivalent of the Nazi and National Fascist Parties. The fact people want rid of immigrants is merely a reflection of social Darwinism and racial hierarchy. Blacks and Asians are the communists and Jews of today.

I would like to see the Tories come to power if anything.

[Clowgon]

I would like to see the Tories come to power if anything.[/quote]


Lol the Tories are just as bad.

[Virgin Mary]

I would like to see the Tories come to power if anything.


Lol the Tories are just as bad.[/quote]
Not really, they've criticised the BNP and aren't nearly as extreme.

[Jamesy]

All I know is I want labour out, they have made many mistakes in the short term of Gordon Brown.

[alexxxxx]

i agree with you on this.

the way we do it atm is totally unfair, as some constituencies have MANY more people their than others, making some votes worth more.

then we need at least 2 more houses, eradicating the non-democratically elected House Of Lords.

i wouldn't like to see proportional representation as this would mean BNP/SNP would get in.

[Jordy]

I totally agree with what you said about the voting system it should be Votes rather than seating. But since the 20th century britain havent had
a strong leadership as of then. Do you follow American Politics?

If i was the PM these is what i whould do.

ban all racist party Eg BNP etc.
Kick out anyone who is not a British Citizen.
Kick out any foreigners who comit a crime.
Ban any pepole sending family or friends from any country.
Pepole who are 50-100 dont have to work.
Get every fit lazy **** in the country to do a course or work.
Bulid many more prisions.
Set a Green target for every household in the country.
More police on the streets.
Anyone who comits a really bad crime they serve the full Sentence.
Pepole who dont work pay taxes.

Thats some of the things i whould do.Sorry but I can't help but ridicule your post as your manifesto is awful...

ban all racist party Eg BNP etc. - That's destroying a democracy, anyone should be able to stand as a party like the current rule is.
Kick out anyone who is not a British Citizen. - Agreed, easily said than done though.
Kick out any foreigners who comit a crime. - Just kick them out in the first place before they have time to do that
Ban any pepole sending family or friends from any country. - Sort out the visa system instead
Pepole who are 50-100 dont have to work. - 50? That's pathetic! My dad is way into his fifties, if he stopped working I'd be living in poverty. I think an age around 60 is fine, however 60 isn't a reasonable age as the pension system in this country is awful, so it'd have to be 65 till the pension system was sorted.
Get every fit lazy **** in the country to do a course or work. - It's a free country, let people be fat and lazy if they want? It's not harming anyone but themselves
Bulid many more prisions. - Indeed.
Set a Green target for every household in the country. - That's already being implemented soon, and sadly there isn't a need for it either as this so-called thing called 'Global Warming' isn't true in my opinion, and even if it was, everyone in the UK could go green and it wouldn't make a difference to the world. If anyone's going to believe Global Warming, it may as well just be America and China as there the only people capable of stopping such a thing.
More police on the streets. - There's already enough Police, it's just they have to do paperwork continually for everything, wasting the police's time. Just for stopping someone in the street they have to be spend 5 minutes filling out a form back at the station.
Anyone who comits a really bad crime they serve the full Sentence. - Fair enough, agreed, if anything make their full sentence's longer.
Pepole who dont work pay taxes. - Everyone pays tax's if they work or not...

I think the Monarchy is a pointless but an important tradition, it's makes us rather unique these days and I think our Monarchy is rather special. I don't think a president or a entire reform is needed, but I do think some big changes are needed, however I'm too tired to think of any atm :(

[Virgin Mary]

I'm wondering why people are so against immigration? A lot of English people emmigrate to places like Australia, France, Spain, America etc. and if they brought up the same policies then people would be moaning about that. I agree if it's deporting people who take advantage of benefits or commit serious crimes, but people who just want to live a new/better life?

[Neversoft]

LEAVE IT AS IT IS.

[Clowgon]

Who whould wanna work to their 65.

[Awfy]

Who whould wanna work to their 65.
My granda and granny are both still working. My granda is 67 and granny is 65. They had to leave full time employment due to their pensions. However they both have part time jobs which they are legally allowed to do. Which are Janitor and Accounting.

[-:Undertaker:-]

;4403592']i agree with you on this.

the way we do it atm is totally unfair, as some constituencies have MANY more people their than others, making some votes worth more.

then we need at least 2 more houses, eradicating the non-democratically elected House Of Lords.

i wouldn't like to see proportional representation as this would mean BNP/SNP would get in.

How can you ban a party which you don't agree with? That is what Stalin and the Soviet Union did because they were scare they'd lose power. If the people want far right parties don't deny them that right.


I'm wondering why people are so against immigration? A lot of English people emmigrate to places like Australia, France, Spain, America etc. and if they brought up the same policies then people would be moaning about that. I agree if it's deporting people who take advantage of benefits or commit serious crimes, but people who just want to live a new/better life?

Due to the people leaving to USA/Austrialia and so on are all intelligent people who will work and contribute to them countrys. Here in Britain we let anyone in, uncontolled numbers and we give them housing/benefits when in America if you didn't work you'd recieve no help - that's how it should be.

[Alkaz]

Tbh we need someone to come in and just say this is what needs to be done and this is what i am going to do. None of the politician shizzle. It would sort everything out and should sort it out for the better.

And also why should we get rid of the monarchy? How many hundereds of years has it been there and i dont see why we should get rid of it now. Its one of the most recognised familys in the world and most respected monarchy, why should we get rid of that, we should be proud that we have something like this which a majority of places do not have. Should be proud to be british and have a monarchy.

And also to some other comments about racism, if we was to treat people like other countries in the EU we wouldnt have half the problems we do atm. All these asylum seekers tracking through eurpoe to get to england for the benifits. But by EU law the first country the asylum seekers land in, they should have to deport them but its too much hassel at let them carry on through to england. They end up coming here and when we try and send them back there is a massive uproar about it, saying how dare the government try and send them back, they are tryign to make a better life for them selves. Well imo its not our duties to keep them, if they want to better them selves then yah let them do it by doing it by earning an honest crust, not sponging off of us. All we are doing by deporting them is doing the job of other EU countries.

[alexxxxx]

How can you ban a party which you don't agree with? That is what Stalin and the Soviet Union did because they were scare they'd lose power. If the people want far right parties don't deny them that right.

It's also what happened when the Nazi's came to power, because of proportional representation.

[-:Undertaker:-]

;4405567']It's also what happened when the Nazi's came to power, because of proportional representation.

The German people benefitted from Nazi rule, although yes they didn't later on. The BNP could never become something like a Nazi party in todays world. Not all right wing parties are evil Nazi's as the main parties have claimed.

[Dan2nd]

As I'm a very Patriotic guy I'm obviously against getting rid of the Monarchy I think it's part of our culture and history and would be a massive mistake removing it =[

I'd also keep the current system as it is I think we need to stop comparing ourselfs to other countries and be proud of what we are - British :D

[alexxxxx]

The German people benefitted from Nazi rule, although yes they didn't later on. The BNP could never become something like a Nazi party in todays world. Not all right wing parties are evil Nazi's as the main parties have claimed.

i was just illustrating that proportional representation is how extremists gain support. And you may say 'oh, but everyone should be allowed to vote for this that and the other, say this that and the other.'

I don't agree with free speech, as hate is allowed to spread this way. However I believe that you should be able to critisize the government/other people, OBVIOUSLY.

The American republican guy McCain said something like 'all Muslims are interested in trading are One-Way Tickets and Burquas' and how he hates 'gooks' and he always will. One of his representatives said that they would 'chase the muslims back to their caves'

I don't believe you should be allowed to say that.

[Virgin Mary]

The monarchy is there as head-of-state to ensure we don't end up under the rule of a corrupt government. Though people, particularly the working class, are so ignorant to this and blame all their problems on immigrants and tax that they're easy to manipulate by governments - as most people prove. If I wanted to come to power all I'd have to do is deliver a speech announcing the deportation of immigrants and cutting of all taxes and I'd probably be made supreme ruler of Britain.

[Browney]

As a 15 year old boy I'm probably only clued up enough in politics to say:

I like the queen. She's on the coins.

[Jordy]

The monarchy is there as head-of-state to ensure we don't end up under the rule of a corrupt government. Though people, particularly the working class, are so ignorant to this and blame all their problems on immigrants and tax that they're easy to manipulate by governments - as most people prove. If I wanted to come to power all I'd have to do is deliver a speech announcing the deportation of immigrants and cutting of all taxes and I'd probably be made supreme ruler of Britain.I see what your saying, but we do have a very corrupt government that abuses the monarchy with all this 'Cash for honours' and all this uncounted donations for Brown's deputy leader.

Sadly the Lord's and the Monarchy don't have enough power any more, the Queen has to agree to the law's, she doesn't have a choice in reality, though in theory she does, the Lords can reject calls for new law's and occasionally do, but sadly if they do it too often, parliament will get sick of them and will put a stop to them.

On another note of corruptness, I believe it's wrong MPs select their own pay, couldn't the Lords do it for them?

[theJOSH]

This brings a striking point to what I was doing in English today!


The USA political way, is much more discisplined, and not so much full of idle threats, like our court of law!

Also, crimes such as Animal abuse, is just as bad as human abuse, we could say? Over here, they don't have the right funding, or policing ability.

A President and a reform in Politics, would turn Britain into a much better place! Yob behaviour would be decreased as our police would be much more agressive to the violent ways of yobs.

[Virgin Mary]

This brings a striking point to what I was doing in English today!


The USA political way, is much more discisplined, and not so much full of idle threats, like our court of law!

Also, crimes such as Animal abuse, is just as bad as human abuse, we could say? Over here, they don't have the right funding, or policing ability.

A President and a reform in Politics, would turn Britain into a much better place! Yob behaviour would be decreased as our police would be much more agressive to the violent ways of yobs.
Would we need a complete political reform just for that though? I think law should definitely be made tighter though. I find it hypocritical how the government preaches political correctness and no discrimination while they use discrimination when trying "young offenders" in the courts.

[:job2]

If there was a reform we would be copying america, in america the president has too much power and can therefore do anything weather it be illigal or not (an example is iraq). Over here if the PM wanted to do what Bush did he would have to take it through the government.

Also the media in america and totaly minipulated, the government own every TV chanel radio station magazine and newspaper and get the final say on what gets printed. If the American government doesnt its people to know something they tell the media producers they cant do a story on it and the people will never find out.

Id hate this country to become even more like America as it is very corrupt although it tries to hide it, the people with the power over there are the ones that spend millions of $ and get thousands killed in a war that is technicly illegal (according to world war rules).

If anyone hasnt seen this, search loose change on youtube. You will soon change your mind about American government :P