Oh dear oh dear

[Bibliophobia]

Considering the reports on the site


Today on Habbo UK some fantastic new Grunge Furni was released into the catalogue. The 3 new items available are fantastic for any room, they are:

Bench (3 credits)
Flaming Barrel (3 credits)
Candle Box (2 credits)
I personally love the Flaming Barrel and the Bench which go lovely in my room!
So, go onto www.habbo.co.uk (http://www.habbo.co.uk/) now and purchase this great furniture from just 2 credits each!
Click read more for a screenshot

Look, people want to news to be succint - they look, they know.

I really don't care what e5 personally thinks and can you make the news a bit more news like.


The Fountain of Kitsune has arrived! But it's being Sabataged and they need your help in deciding what happens next!

Spelling and understanding of nouns would help.

[Nixt]

Complaints should be forwarded to the News Management team - Adzeh and Yum999. If you are going to criticise it's best to do it constructively as threads that might upset another member aren't going to get you anywhere :).

[GhostFace-]

wait what are u copmplaining about.

[---MAD---]

I see your point. That news article also seems to be advertising the hotel when it doesn't need to be.

[Bibliophobia]

Complaints should be forwarded to the News Management team - Adzeh and Yum999. If you are going to criticise it's best to do it constructively as threads that might upset another member aren't going to get you anywhere :).

Well i thought this was feedback.


I see your point. That news article also seems to be advertising the hotel when it doesn't need to be.

Thank you, i hope all reporters take a test on grammar and spelling too.

[Nixt]

Well i thought this was feedback.


It is. However I think it's quite unfair for reporters to be targetted publicly as it knocks confidence. Your post also comes across as quite rude and condescending and that sort of criticism is in no way helpful.

[Bibliophobia]

It is. However I think it's quite unfair for reporters to be targetted publicly as it knocks confidence. Your post also comes across as quite rude and condescending and that sort of criticism is in no way helpful.

If e5s confidence could be knocked, it would have been the day 50% of habbo hated him after his infamous exploits.

Maybe my post seemed like that but the day i chose to read habboxs news reports i get confronted with that.

[Nixt]

If e5s confidence could be knocked, it would have been the day 50% of habbo hated him after his infamous exploits.

Maybe my post seemed like that but the day i chose to read habboxs news reports i get confronted with that.

Perhaps, but this is a slightly different situation. Again you are making comments which are rather supercilious. I have no problem with feedback and yes I can see where you are coming from I simply believe you should of phrased it in a slightly different way and contacted the relevant individuals rather than pointlessly making it public...

[---MAD---]

If e5s confidence could be knocked, it would have been the day 50% of habbo hated him after his infamous exploits.

Maybe my post seemed like that but the day i chose to read habboxs news reports i get confronted with that.
The first part of your post was unnecessary.

I have contacted adzeh (news manager) about your comments in your first post :).

I agree with garion that you shouldn't really target people and if you do want to, do it privately via PM :).

[-:Undertaker:-]

Complaints should be forwarded to the News Management team - Adzeh and Yum999. If you are going to criticise it's best to do it constructively as threads that might upset another member aren't going to get you anywhere :).

This is feedback, this is the thing that amazes me with this forum. We have a feedback forum yet we are told to send private messages and the thread is locked.

[OhLiam]

I don't see anythign wrong iwht the news article tbh. all he said was go onto habbo and buy them today and yes alot of news reporters write there own opinion in there news reports.

Oh and not everyone hates Elliot :l

[GommeInc]

I would rather the news reflected the news reporters thoughts in a mild tone than a news reporter appear as an un-opinionated robot... It's a good article, hopefully more like this would follow :)

[Jamesy]

Opinions are good. As long as it isn't I THINK THIS, YOU ARE WRONG. BITE ME. it's good.

[jrh2002]

Just seeing any news is good in my opinion because we did have a time when we were going weeks at a time with nothing at all.
I am not a fan of publicly criticising an individual but some people like to give it so deserve to get a bit of stick back. :eusa_whis

[Pyroka]

In my opinion, I was a News Reporter at Habbox before and I still criticise some of the News Reporters today. When news like this is posted, and it's repeatedly being done then there is obviously a bit of negligence going on here. To me, it seems like e5 has the potential to be a good News Reporter, but his spelling & ways of how he's presenting are awful. When I was a News Reporter, I knew that there were guides on this in the News Forum, and I don't think he's read them. I also used to get feedback on my reports, and I think that still occurs but with e5, he needs more than just feedback. He needs a tutor on reporting properly.

All the content is there, and it's all fine and dandy. It's just the way he's doing so, is really bad. I also noticed that he's had the "Start using emphasis" PM, by how many things have been bolded in his reports. How he could've gone in reporting, is writing about the Bench, and giving it a description along with the price. Same with the other 2 items. Then he could've went onto finding the images, but he screenshotted them. Personally I think screenshotting furniture is a bit horrid, but whatever gets the job done.

The personal note he's put, I can call him many names for but I wont. No one likes your personal opinion of things, they just want (FU ASHLEY!) straight news. A sentence like "This unique looking furni would be a great addition to all guest rooms!" is appropriate, and gets the same message across. As for the spelling, that is why I used to reccomend to trialists to use Microsoft Word, or a spellchecker which could be downloaded for Firefox (if you use it). As for the nouns, they'd come up as fragament (or w.e) errors.

There's a bit of constructive criticism for ya!

PS. I love hurting your guys eyes with this fontsize. Makes you actually read the post thoroughly...

[Dan2nd]

In my opinion, I was a News Reporter at Habbox before and I still criticise some of the News Reporters today. When news like this is posted, and it's repeatedly being done then there is obviously a bit of negligence going on here. To me, it seems like e5 has the potential to be a good News Reporter, but his spelling & ways of how he's presenting are awful. When I was a News Reporter, I knew that there were guides on this in the News Forum, and I don't think he's read them. I also used to get feedback on my reports, and I think that still occurs but with e5, he needs more than just feedback. He needs a tutor on reporting properly.

All the content is there, and it's all fine and dandy. It's just the way he's doing so, is really bad. I also noticed that he's had the "Start using emphasis" PM, by how many things have been bolded in his reports. How he could've gone in reporting, is writing about the Bench, and giving it a description along with the price. Same with the other 2 items. Then he could've went onto finding the images, but he screenshotted them. Personally I think screenshotting furniture is a bit horrid, but whatever gets the job done.

The personal note he's put, I can call him many names for but I wont. No one likes your personal opinion of things, they just went straight news. A sentence like "This unique looking furni would be a great addition to all guest rooms!" is appropriate, and gets the same message across. As for the spelling, that is why I used to reccomend to trialists to use Microsoft Word, or a spellchecker which could be downloaded for Firefox (if you use it). As for the nouns, they'd come up as fragament (or w.e) errors.

There's a bit of constructive criticism for ya!
I agree with the bold when I was assistant HxHD manager I used microsoft word while doing reports as I'm terrible at spelling and grammar so yeah I'd reccormend using that as well

[Pyroka]

I agree with the bold when I was assistant HxHD manager I used microsoft word while doing reports as I'm terrible and spelling and grammar so yeah I'd reccormed using that as well

Exactly. I'm fine on speelin and grammer so it's not much of a problum for me. Give e5 a break... I do find his reports attrocious, and I have ******* about them like you lot have, but there's a better way to go about it.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Just seeing any news is good in my opinion because we did have a time when we were going weeks at a time with nothing at all.
I am not a fan of publicly criticising an individual but some people like to give it so deserve to get a bit of stick back. :eusa_whis

Oh I agree, that was the worst I have ever seen News on Habbox.

[Dan2nd]

Oh I agree, that was the worst I have ever seen News on Habbox.

Lol.. I think if you're going to give negative comments at least tell him why it's so bad. Fair doos if he gives alot of it out he should expect some stick back but why lower yourself to his level? meh I just think making comments like in your post is really harsh :(

[Finkelstien]

One key factor many of you failed to realize is that e5 is on a trial as a news reporter meaning that there is endless room for improvement in his capacity as a reporter on Habbox with each and every report he receives from management on a weekly basis.

So honestly, to brand someone a negligent reporter or to criticize their reports so heavily during a trial basis is a tad unfair. He is new to the department and will grow in knowledge in due time.

Secondly, management (Adzeh or Yum999) can be contacted with any problems in this field but then again lets face it, this is more of an attack based on personal issues than it is on the quality of reporting itself.

[Pyroka]

I wasn't calling e5 a negligent reporter. I was calling the people who should be teaching him how to be better, negligent. :)

[Ouch!]

Where are applications for the News Team.

I'd put you all to shame.

I am a perfectionist when it comes to grammar and spelling. And I'm very unbiased.

Pyroka: You're complaining about advertising.....yet your sig links to a crappy (and not free) online game. >.>

[mat64]

Pyroka: You're complaining about advertising.....yet your sig links to a crappy (and not free) online game. >.>They shouldn't advertise in the news reports. I don't really see your point, it's his signature he can put whatever he wants in it. It's not like he's saying advertising as a whole is a bad thing but there are places where it should be and places where it shouldn't.

[Ouch!]

They shouldn't advertise in the news reports. I don't really see your point, it's his signature he can put whatever he wants in it. It's not like he's saying advertising as a whole is a bad thing but there are places where it should be and places where it shouldn't.

Eep! Sorry, sorry! I didn't mean to direct the comment to Pyroka. I thought Pyroka made the topic. Pyroka, sorry for dissing you. I feel like an idiot >.>

[Adzeh]

I wasn't calling e5 a negligent reporter. I was calling the people who should be teaching him how to be better, negligent. :)

I'm actually offended by that, you know full well the measures we take in the News Dept. to improve standards of reporting and provide constant feedback and I find it cheeky for you to say we are negligent.

Trials are put in place to see how a potential staff member can work in an actual environment and their standards of news without and intervention from management. The candidates pass their trials if they (among other things):

Respond to feedback given and adapt future reports accordingly
Show promising potential to become good reporters
Have a good attitude towards writing


Obviously some feedback is given to the trialists on their work, but only on major issues; not things such as nitpicking grammar.

Please do not judge management of a department on their trialists as that is completely unfair. The real work begins once a trialist becomes full time staff, during which time their reports are constantly monitored and feedback given.

I'm sure Pyroka, you will remember that it is customary for trialists not to receive Saturday Reports? This is for the reasons listen above.

[Pyroka]

I know the full measures you take, and either it's e5 ignoring them or them not being enforced like they used to be. I know you provide constant feedback, but I don't know the situation in the News Department? For all I know, it could be seriously busy... Which is what I assumed, when constantly seeing e5's awful reports.

I remember the Saturday reports too, and they're good. I'm not going to oppose the rest, because I agree with it.

[Nixt]

This is feedback, this is the thing that amazes me with this forum. We have a feedback forum yet we are told to send private messages and the thread is locked.

As I've already said, there is a different between feedback and pointlessly insulting people. Feedback should be constructive, pointing out in at least a neutral manner where someone can improve. People are simply being rude however, saying "oh he's crap" and "worst article I've ever seen" (trust me I've seen a lot worse from a couple of reporters during my time at Habbox) and that isn't fair. You are free to give feedback, just make sure you go the right way about it.

[e5]

I think the majority of people don't seem to realise that trialists are where the user is on a trial and is bound to make mistakes, even full-time news reporters to do it. If they didn't make any mistakes in life, they just wouldn't be human. I try my best to do news reports based on whats available at the time. I'm usually very good at spelling and grammar and my spelling results in school reflect that. Most of the time it's typo errors on the keyboard as my vocabulary is very good. My parents/teachers notice this. I haven't been on top of my game recently due to being ill but by next week (if I pass my trial) I'm hoping to improve big time. Thanks for your feedback anyway :8.

[Bibliophobia]

I think the majority of people don't seem to realise that trialists are where the user is on a trial and is bound to make mistakes, even full-time news reporters to do it. If they didn't make any mistakes in life, they just wouldn't be human. I try my best to do news reports based on whats available at the time. I'm usually very good at spelling and grammar and my spelling results in school reflect that. Most of the time it's typo errors on the keyboard as my vocabulary is very good. My parents/teachers notice this. I haven't been on top of my game recently due to being ill but by next week (if I pass my trial) I'm hoping to improve big time. Thanks for your feedback anyway :8.

Oh come on, this isn't you 1st,2nd or 3rd mistake. And why are you doing news if you're not confident at spelling or grammar.

[Typoh]

Does this really matter - if you can read it why cant anyone else?

[Bibliophobia]

Does this really matter - if you can read it why cant anyone else?

cos i am god x

[Adzeh]

I know the full measures you take, and either it's e5 ignoring them or them not being enforced like they used to be. I know you provide constant feedback, but I don't know the situation in the News Department? For all I know, it could be seriously busy... Which is what I assumed, when constantly seeing e5's awful reports.

I remember the Saturday reports too, and they're good. I'm not going to oppose the rest, because I agree with it.

As I said, trialists are not given the benefit of clear cut feedback on their written work. This is because we, as management, want to assess how talented they are, and get to grips with exactly what sort of ability level we have to work with.

If we feel there is significant promising areas in a trialist's work, they will pass and we will begin to mould them into the Habbox Reporters that you see on show at the minute with virtually impeccable work, week in week out (Finkelstien, Hecktix, Nixt). If we feel that there is nothing we can work with, the trialist will not be offered a full time position.

If you are going to judge my trialists or our ability as News Management, please judge them on their improvement during the first three weeks after passing their trials; I guarantee you see results.

[Bibliophobia]

judging on improvement is silly.

they could still be below average

judge on skill

[GommeInc]

Does this really matter - if you can read it why cant anyone else?
That's my stand aswell. If you can understand it who cares? Saying you can't read it yet you clearly can because you're criticising it in a way that means you've understood it is just showing people what an idiot you are, who can't read and interpret...


As I said, trialists are not given the benefit of clear cut feedback on their written work. This is because we, as management, want to assess how talented they are, and get to grips with exactly what sort of ability level we have to work with.

If we feel there is significant promising areas in a trialist's work, they will pass and we will begin to mould them into the Habbox Reporters that you see on show at the minute with virtually impeccable work, week in week out (Finkelstien, Hecktix, Nixt). If we feel that there is nothing we can work with, the trialist will not be offered a full time position.

If you are going to judge my trialists or our ability as News Management, please judge them on their improvement during the first three weeks after passing their trials; I guarantee you see results.
I am confused, you hire trialists that could suck to high heaven, then put them on a s news reporters then teach them? Makes no sense, it'll be easier to teach them when they are trialists, so if they fail they can at least try better next time.

[Bibliophobia]

That's my stand aswell. If you can understand it who cares? Saying you can't read it yet you clearly can because you're criticising it in a way that means you've understood it is just showing people what an idiot you are, who can't read and interpret...


I am confused, you hire trialists that could suck to high heaven, then put them on a s news reporters then teach them? Makes no sense, it'll be easier to teach them when they are trialists, so if they fail they can at least try better next time.

yes but this is habbox, good luck getting anything rational!

[GommeInc]

yes but this is habbox, good luck getting anything rational!
That's besides the point!

[-:Undertaker:-]

Lol.. I think if you're going to give negative comments at least tell him why it's so bad. Fair doos if he gives alot of it out he should expect some stick back but why lower yourself to his level? meh I just think making comments like in your post is really harsh :(

A few months ago the news was terrible because there was none, I haven't a problem with e5's news as it's better than none.

[Yum999]

I am confused, you hire trialists that could suck to high heaven, then put them on a s news reporters then teach them? Makes no sense, it'll be easier to teach them when they are trialists, so if they fail they can at least try better next time.

Not at all.

First of all, we do not select applications "that could suck to high heaven". Adzeh and I look at each and every application, and consult each other on whom we believe has both the talent and the attitude to make a competent reporter. Only around 10% of applications go forward to the trialist stage.

Trialists are then trialled for two weeks, but aren't treated quite like a full time reporter. We watch them to see how they respond to criticsm and feedback (via individual one to one discussions with members of management called "Your News" personal messages) and generally how they cope with the responsibilities of a full time reporter in a high pressure environment.

Only if we feel they have improved to a sufficient degree over their trial (to the standard of a regular reporter), have a positive working outlook and ability to take constructive criticsm onboard effectively without complaint do we offer them a permanent place on the team (about fifty percent of trialists go on to this stage). They then recieve regular, once weekly reports just like any other reporter, reviewing each aspect of their work (images, titles, grammar, activity, attitude and layout etc.) and giving them advice which they can use to improve their work as time goes by.

I hope by this you can see that we don't take on just anyone. e5 is a trialist because we believe he has the potential to make a good reporter, and we are coaching that. On average, only about five percent of applicants make the journey to become full time reporter, while in previous years we've simply been grateful for any applications of any standard. If you want proof of how report standards have rocketed in recent times, simply compare a report from today with one from 25th February 2007, and you'll see for yourself.

Finally, I apologise for any mistakes I made in this sprant (speech rant)!

[GommeInc]

This seems to go against what Adzeh says though? That trialists are left to their own devices, then turned into full time reporters that are then sent messages telling them to improve. Although there could of been some confusion in his post.

Your post made perfect sense anyway ;)

Not at all.

First of all, we do not select applications "that could suck to high heaven". Adzeh and I look at each and every application, and consult each other on whom we believe has both the talent and the attitude to make a competent reporter. Only around 10% of applications go forward to the trialist stage.

Trialists are then trialled for two weeks, but aren't treated quite like a full time reporter. We watch them to see how they respond to criticsm and feedback (via individual one to one discussions with members of management called "Your News" personal messages) and generally how they cope with the responsibilities of a full time reporter in a high pressure environment.

Only if we feel they have improved to a sufficient degree over their trial (to the standard of a regular reporter), have a positive working outlook and ability to take constructive criticsm onboard effectively without complaint do we offer them a permanent place on the team (about fifty percent of trialists go on to this stage). They then recieve regular, once weekly reports just like any other reporter, reviewing each aspect of their work (images, titles, grammar, activity, attitude and layout etc.) and giving them advice which they can use to improve their work as time goes by.

I hope by this you can see that we don't take on just anyone. e5 is a trialist because we believe he has the potential to make a good reporter, and we are coaching that. On average, only about five percent of applicants make the journey to become full time reporter, while in previous years we've simply been grateful for any applications of any standard. If you want proof of how report standards have rocketed in recent times, simply compare a report from today with one from 25th February 2007, and you'll see for yourself.

Finally, I apologise for any mistakes I made in this sprant (speech rant)!

[Adzeh]

This seems to go against what Adzeh says though? That trialists are left to their own devices, then turned into full time reporters that are then sent messages telling them to improve. Although there could of been some confusion in his post.

Your post made perfect sense anyway ;)

Obviously they aren't left totally to their own devices, but they are not coached to the level of full time reporters. If we spoonfeed trialists everything from day one, we are not getting a clear idea of how talented they actually are.

We have tried coaching trialists before, and it turned out to just be a waste of our time since 90% of the trialists either resigned, failed, or just did not actually post any news. This way, we can also easily pick out the commited people, and focus our attention on making their work better.

I hope we are all in agreement that our guidance is a source of guaranteed improvement for anybody willing to learn? Yes that might sound arrogant, but that is my firm belief which to this day has not been proved wrong, in all my time as manager.

[GommeInc]

Surely you should tell them the key elements of reporting? Such as:

- Spelling
- Grammar
- Neutrality (if there is a word)
- Source

And if they have any enquiries like how they think they should type out a report then they ask?

[Adzeh]

Again, that is all assessed through their reports which gives us a clear idea of their ability and potential.

In my opinion, this method works. Yes, we have a period of two weeks every so often where report quality is not as high as we usually expect from our reporters, due to the inexperience of trialists. But I think that two weeks of downed quality is a fair price to pay for making the correct decision on who we should keep as full time staff.

[@xP]

You've made this thread to annoy him purposely!


However i agree with your comments.
He's not been news reporting long. Give him time and a chance.