Unban Davetaylor?

[Recursion]

Hello,

Why ban Dave Taylor? If it weren't for him you would have been putting your hole user base as risk...

Unban him? All I can say is your bloody lucky to have a guy like that.

Tom

Perhaps we shall all go looking for exploits and instead of warning you use them to our advantage eh? ******s.

Edited by ---MAD--- (General Manager): Thread locked. Problem sorted (at least for now).

[Invent]

Hello,

Why ban Dave Taylor? If it weren't for him you would have been putting your hole user base as risk...

Unban him? All I can say is your bloody lucky to have a guy like that.

Tom

What has Dave been banned because of the chat? If so, thats ******* unbelievable! We were telling them to fix it and were asking them to turn it off! :@

[Recursion]

yup, its ******* rediculous in my opinion.

[Jamesy]

what happened?

[Recursion]

I am making this post on behalf of DaveTaylor - DO NOT MERGE.



Dear HXF,
I saved all your ***** tonight from a sql Database exploit meaning I could have accessed all your powers, I wanred mad via pm and I am now banned, I had access to passwords and I tested it on a dummy account of my own which i forgot the password of, I can't believe how low you let have gone.

[Invent]

LOL!

He got banned for "exploiting" the chat system when he was telling them to close it and fix the bug?!

This is absolutely ******* rediculous! I've been fine with all the things MAD and the other admins have been doing so far, but banning Dave was a step too far! Admins banning people for helping fix bugs? That's a new one..

[---MAD---]

Currently investigating :). He will be unbanned in a sec.

[Recursion]

I can now see how damn power hungry you admins really are now.

[Invent]

MAD, I would understand why you banned him if the chat was enabled, as he could potentially do something bad to the forum. But when the chat is disabled, why does he need to be banned?!

[Jamesy]

I can see why though.

You wouldn't hack a bank, steal all the money and say "see, you are unsecure".

Still breaking the law whether you are trying to be helpful or not. But yeah, he should be unbanned simply because he isn't some noob who would go out and hack it without valid reasoning.

[Recursion]

I don't see why the thought had even crossed his mind seeing as he reported it.

[Invent]

I can see why though.

You wouldn't hack a bank, steal all the money and say "see, you are unsecure".

Still breaking the law whether you are trying to be helpful or not. But yeah, he should be unbanned simply because he isn't some noob who would go out and hack it without valid reasoning.

But the thing is, he didnt "steal all the money". In your terms: he got into the bank and then told the bank that he managed to access it but didn't actually steal anything.

[Recursion]

And the fact that DaveTaylor is a very well respected person on here should back his case up even further.

[Jamesy]

stop saying admins are power hungry. It's their job to protect everyones data on the forum.

They are investigating and are seeing what can be done about it. Stop whining because he got banned. He hacked it and got punished, whether it was good intentions or not he still break the ToS for the site.

He is a good member, so he probably will be unbanned. They can't give out special favours just because of that though.

[GommeInc]

I can see why though.

You wouldn't hack a bank, steal all the money and say "see, you are unsecure".

Still breaking the law whether you are trying to be helpful or not. But yeah, he should be unbanned simply because he isn't some noob who would go out and hack it without valid reasoning.
He was showing them how easy it was. It's like telling a bank manager "I can get into the bank," the bank manager saying you can't and then the tester doing it. No harm what-so-ever, considering there was no 'money' stolen.

[Recursion]

and actually all Scripts should be thoroughly tested by code savvi people before being put to use in a production situation.

[Jamesy]

Valid points.

It's still the same act as doing it with intent to harm.
You did that to a bank manager you would get disciplinery action for doing it. But less than someone who stole.

I'm not saying he should remain banned. I'm against the ban. But the staff have to ensure he is safe, regardless of forum status.

[Recursion]

Seeing the conversations with Dave this is just rediculous, on MADs part. And once again MAD is trying to sweep HIS mistakes under the rug.

[GommeInc]

Valid points.

It's still the same act as doing it with intent to harm.
You did that to a bank manager you would get disciplinery action for doing it. But less than someone who stole.

I'm not saying he should remain banned. I'm against the ban. But the staff have to ensure he is safe, regardless of forum status.
... You're rather pessimistic :P The fact is, he didn't steal information, he was doing it for a good cause, he didn't destroy anything and he proved a point that no-one bothered to deal with. Why look for a problem that doesn't exist?

[Aarcn]

He is unbanned now so are you happy?

[Jamesy]

Currently investigating . He will be unbanned in a sec.

Stop blaming this all on MAD. I'm actually fed up with it. Every time something goes wrong or something somebody doesn't like happens it's always MAD's or management. Nvrspk is fed up with it too (judging from some of his posts).


... You're rather pessimistic :P The fact is, he didn't steal information, he was doing it for a good cause, he didn't destroy anything and he proved a point that no-one bothered to deal with. Why look for a problem that doesn't exist?

People said they sent PM's. That alone could have been enough without doing it. i'm not pessimistic, I'm thinking in real life terms.

[Favourtism]

Maybe he was just banned whilst Admins/Smods/Staff had time to change their passwords?

[DaveTaylor]

... You're rather pessimistic :P The fact is, he didn't steal information, he was doing it for a good cause, he didn't destroy anything and he proved a point that no-one bothered to deal with. Why look for a problem that doesn't exist?
Thank you Gomme, I am currrently unbanned but he is now wanting to speak to Sierk about the situation, the actual exploit could have caused alot of damage, but thank you , Tom and Simon

[GommeInc]

Stop blaming this all on MAD. I'm actually fed up with it. Every time something goes wrong or something somebody doesn't like happens it's always MAD's or management. Nvrspk is fed up with it too (judging from some of his posts).



People said they sent PM's. That alone could have been enough without doing it. i'm not pessimistic, I'm thinking in real life terms.
Then he shouldn't take the blame. I've said this time and time again, let whoever deals with these issues announce it, but for some reason MAD thinks he should because whoever it is will get upset. If they do, fire them for being babies "/

It is pessimism, whether in real life or not. At the end of the day, the forum is still here, as far as we know he didn't steal information and he did it for a good cause.

[Jamesy]

I agree on that.

I disagree on the "mad thinks..." because how do you know what he's thinking?

[GommeInc]

I agree on that.

I disagree on the "mad thinks..." because how do you know what he's thinking?
I've talked to him about issues and he's mentioned it on the forums many times :rolleyes:

[Invent]

Well, Dave's unbanned now and that's the main thing.

[Jamesy]

Fair enough mate :)

Yeah, no need to continue this debate. lAscend is safety banned, are other moderators?

[DaveTaylor]

At this rate I will be banned again in a couple of days if Sierk has his way

[GommeInc]

At this rate I will be banned again in a couple of days if Sierk has his way
As far as I am aware sierk has quite a good amount of common sense. Unless he is in one of his random moods you'll be fine :)