HostSuite Logo [Archive]

Florx

16-03-2008, 08:42 PM

Hey,

While I was working for HostSuite.com (Darren Toogood's failing project), I asked Richard Knox to make me a logo for it which he did. The terms of the use of the logo were I own it and it could be used while I was working for the project.

Unfortunatly Darren seems adamant that because the image has the word HostSuite on it then he owns it.

This is not the case. I have spoken to Richard and he does not condole the actions of Darren as the logo was made for ME not HostSuite.

If you see the HostSuite logo I suggest that recognise that it is being used without the owners permission.

EDIT: I posted this thread to ask what the community thinks but I forgot to ask. Duh.

What do you think?

/EDIT.

Thanks for reading.
Jake.

Bojangles

16-03-2008, 08:44 PM

Rofl hes a 14 year old wannabe bill gates. He's going to attempt to steal the internetz and claim he made it next :)

Pazza

16-03-2008, 08:45 PM

Another thread showing up Darren Toogood :)

If he was such a good designer, why not make his own logo ?

And I agree with the point you are making, if it's made for you, then its yours. You can't really do anything about it though.

Apart from telling him to **** off and make his own work for once.

Hope this helps, if it was supposed to =)

Forge

16-03-2008, 08:45 PM

So it was made for YOU and not for darren, and YOU hold the rights to it?

He's using it illegally then.

EDIT: Thanks for telling us btw :) now we are sure that hes a lazy designer not willing to create a logo for his own project.

Florx

16-03-2008, 08:47 PM

Yep I do own it and it was made for me.

Pazza

16-03-2008, 08:48 PM

He is supposed to be a 'Freelance Graphics Designer'

Yet he chooses to illegally use a logo not made for him.

Lol @ him.

Bojangles

16-03-2008, 08:49 PM

If he uses it on one of his "sites" just contact his host with richard :)

Hypertext

16-03-2008, 08:50 PM

*Text Removed* Last time he said he can find designers for people. And that's a moneymaker, he can't do anything? of that in know, layouts? no, coding? no, graphics? no.....

Edited by LucasAge (Forum Super Moderator): Please do not be rude.

kk.

16-03-2008, 08:50 PM

it does seem like it should belong to you.

however, due to the fact that you were working for host suite and youa sked him to make the logo for you, for host suite, then i believe it stays with host suite. It has the companies name on and this would play a major role.

think about it like this: the person who designed the apple logo decided to leave apple, apple would retain the right for the logo and would have full ownership of it. bit of a rubbish example but works

Florx

16-03-2008, 08:52 PM

Thanks JimboJosh for posting. Let me clarify the terms of the use of the logo:

The use of the logo is only allowed when I am working for the project. When I terminate working for HostSuite I clearly stated that none of the code or images I made or were owned be me could be used.

Thanks,
Jake

Hypertext

16-03-2008, 08:53 PM

REMOVED

Edited by jesus (Forum Super Moderator): Do not insult other members.

RichardKnox

16-03-2008, 08:56 PM

kk.

16-03-2008, 08:59 PM

so you made sure that he understood this? if so he is in copyright infringment.
it seems like a stupid thing to agree to though due to the fact that, say you coded the system, he would have to surrender it if you left

EDIT: even though you designed it for jake, he offered it to host suite.
i am in no way defending darren :) im jsut clearing things up :P

Florx

16-03-2008, 09:01 PM

He didn't have a choice but to surrender it because I suspended the DEV subdomain so he could not access it. Unfortunatly it's not so easy for an image.

Edit: Thank you to REDNECK for removing the image from his other thread. Obviously HabboxForum does not condole his actions either.

DarrenToogood

16-03-2008, 09:14 PM

I could just see a thread coming. This is my statement;

Jake was working as a Joint Owner/Coder at the time of the logo being made. I requested that he seek someone to complete a logo, and of which he did. The logo was created for HostSuite, and was sent to me in PSD format, to use for HostSuite.

Today, after posting my thread about upcoming projects, Jake has seen an opp. to create problems, and is now stating that he owns the logo, however this is not the case. Jake left the project, however took the work he created, i.e. the coding. The logo was made for HostSuite, and belongs to HostSuite. I have spoken to the creator of the logo, he has no problem with me using it.

I see this as an opp. to point yet more fun at myself, and for everyone to have their two pence. For example, if I asked you to create a logo for me, free of charge, and you sent me the PSD, I then own that item/image/product, however you have seeked the service for me, yet you can not take it back. I know people do not like me on here, however the image in mine and will be continued as the HostSuite logo. May I remind you all of Jake's past dealings within 'taking things'. He leaves the projects on false grounds, stealing the coding, plus on another project he has tried to 'sue' hosts for 'stealing files', then claiming them as his own.

Florx

16-03-2008, 09:17 PM

Richard has made it quite clear that you are not allowed to use it.

If he changes his mind then I have no problem you using it however at the moment his decision stands.

DarrenToogood

16-03-2008, 09:19 PM

I have spoken to Richard, he said he does not care. It is you that really needs to grow up and stop picking at other people, trying to spark more rage and arguements. You have already tried to steal peoples work, twice. I do not steal anywork, all work I display I own.

think about it like this: the person who designed the apple logo decided to leave apple, apple would retain the right for the logo and would have full ownership of it. bit of a rubbish example but worksThis is the same situation.

kk.

16-03-2008, 09:21 PM

lol, would he really post defending jake if he agreed to let you use it?
you can clearly see that you make a lot of things up and that do not have permission to use it. Just change the logo and then everything would be cleared up

DarrenToogood

16-03-2008, 09:25 PM

kk.

16-03-2008, 09:26 PM

yeh, but the fact is, unless we see richard sayhing you can use it and have full right then know one will believe you..

Johno

16-03-2008, 09:27 PM

Hey,

The logo is the sole possession of the person the work is created for. Either Richard or Jake are the sole owners of the logo, not HostSuite. Thats like me making something with "Google" on it and then Google coming to me and saying they now own my work because I used the word "Google" on it.

Jake is a pretty cool guy, so please don't try to drag his name down because of your poor reputation around these parts.

If the works were created for HostSuite for Jake, then it is upto Jake how they are used. It does not matter that the images bear "HostSuite" on them, it is the matter that it was made for Jake.

.:; Johno

EDIT - No Darren, it does not work like that. You do not rightfully own the logo, Jake was hardly the messenger. He asked Richard for a favour which was completed on his behalf. If it was not for Jake there would be no logo at all.

In your example, if User B is a Co-Owner then he has an equal share of the equity and he owns half of everything. If he leaves the project, he is well within his rights to take what has been made for him/he has created.

Hitman

16-03-2008, 09:28 PM

I'm not taking sides on it, as I just don't. I see both points of view.

Whoever actually paid for it should own it; then if DarrenToogood wants to use it he should buy it off of FlorX, unless Darren paid for it then it's his.

Forge

16-03-2008, 09:28 PM

I did not make the logo for the HostSuite project, instead I made it for Jake.

Darren read that. Problem solved. Change the logo.

DarrenToogood

16-03-2008, 09:29 PM

Active, you are wrong.

The logo is the sole possession of the person the work is created for.The logo was created for HostSuite. I asked Jake to find a designer, to create a logo for HostSuite.

Edit: The logo was not paid for, it was made for HostSuite, free of charge. Forge, to me it seems that Jake was on the fidle all along,because only a few days after the logo was made, he left stealing all the other work. Jake can't even use the logo...so.

blanky12!

16-03-2008, 09:30 PM

user a is the *****

probally..

the designer is hte owner.. not the idiot

DarrenToogood

16-03-2008, 09:31 PM

User B in this case is Jake, the messenger. I am User A, Richard is User C.

If anything, its Richard's decision. Now he may be an **** about it and says its Jake's, however Jake has no forms of using it, plus Jake has been purposly creating problems.

Robbie

16-03-2008, 09:32 PM

Darren, when Richard has already posted stating that it is Jakes and not yours, I don't know how you have the nerve to continuouslly post claiming it's yours when it has been proved it isn't.

kk.

16-03-2008, 09:32 PM

it doesnt matter if jake wants to use the logo. He just doesnt want it being use for your 'project'..

DarrenToogood

16-03-2008, 09:33 PM

I will be using this logo, end of.

The logo was created for my project, HostSuite, therefore I am using it. Josh, jake does not want me to use it, because from the start he has purposly been trying to stop this project, from the second he signed up to the project and messed me around.

I am now leaving this thread, and going back on my PS3.

blanky12!

16-03-2008, 09:33 PM

i think you deseve a spanking..

it's jakes end off

Robbie

16-03-2008, 09:34 PM

http://i27.tinypic.com/2rxfkol.png

You're telling me that is now the property of BBC for use by nobody else, because I just made it NOT directly for them?

Johno

16-03-2008, 09:34 PM

Active, you are wrong.

The logo was created for HostSuite. I asked Jake to find a designer, to create a logo for HostSuite.

Edit: The logo was not paid for, it was made for HostSuite, free of charge. Forge, to me it seems that Jake was on the fidle all along,because only a few days after the logo was made, he left stealing all the other work. Jake can't even use the logo...so.

Hey,

If you had paid for the logo, Yes that would be the case. You would be the owner of the logo and the image itself.

However since you received it for free, the logo is only allowed to be used if the creator allows its use. If you can prove to us that Richard is okay with it being used, Then we will get off your back.

.:; Johno

kk.

16-03-2008, 09:35 PM

you have no motivation if you are playing on your ps3.
who cares if he wants your project to fail. When you have it all up and running, you will jsut be shut down because of the copyright. you claim to be a designer so jsut design another logo.

blanky12!

16-03-2008, 09:38 PM

Bojangles

16-03-2008, 09:49 PM

Darren your so immature. You are no way a designer, if you was a designer you'd say "Hey, this logo was made for Jake as Richard only made it because Jake was working on hostsuite" and you'd make another one, if anything try to improve on it. But your no way a designer, you ripped your portfolio layout in the other thread. Give up, you FAIL.

SATIRE

16-03-2008, 09:49 PM

To clear things up, fully. Darren, don't bother arguing with me on this one, I know exactly what works, since I've been studying and working in the field of business (and, specifically, copyright) for long enough. I've helped my Dad kick off his company.

The logo was made for 'person b' [Jake Hall] by 'person c' [Richard Knox], in order to pass to 'person a' [Darren Toogood].

If 'person c' demands that, without questioning, the free product is removed and disused immediately by 'person a', then that is the case. You do not own the rights to this since you have not placed forward a payment. This is a simple 'Gentleman's Agreement', which entitles 'person c' full rights to the logo, with 'person a' not having a decision. (Since 'person a' did not directly request for the item to be created).

You are breaching United Kingdom and also European Union copyright laws if you continue to use this logo, despite being warned to take it off.

If you persist, further action can and should be taken by 'person c' and 'person b'.

Since HostSuite is not a registered 'trademark' or 'company', you do not have control over the name HostSuite. It was not made for you, it was made for 'person b' to forward to 'person a' [you].

End of discussion about your rights to the item, Darren; unless you're willing to break the United Kingdom Design and Patents act.

Invent

16-03-2008, 09:53 PM

I will continue use of this logo, as I rightfully own it.

User A asks User B to create a logo, free of charge. User B gets User C to create the template, then send it to User A.

User B is just the messenger, does not own anything.

kk.

I wanted to set up a website called RangeHost so I asked your datacenter to create a site for me and they have. I'm just gonna go and take all of the rangehost.com files and use them as you're just the middle man, agreed?

Cheers, man.

Plux

16-03-2008, 10:02 PM

Actually Darren, Jake requested the logo, thus it was given to him
from the creator. Richard has the rights to decide who it goes, to
and does Jake. You do not.

Bojangles

16-03-2008, 10:06 PM

Darren do you even know how much trouble you can get into for using that logo? lol. Does your mummy and daddy have enough money to pay for the the legal costs?

DarrenToogood

17-03-2008, 10:12 AM

No invent, it does not work like that. I own RangeHost, and you will not get my files, I am not the middle man.

Yes we have enough money, and it will not go that far.

InvisibleMan

17-03-2008, 10:13 AM

So he's a epic fail then?

Bojangles

17-03-2008, 12:28 PM

No invent, it does not work like that. I own RangeHost, and you will not get my files, I am not the middle man.

Yes we have enough money, and it will not go that far.
Yes it will, if you use the HostSuite logo that ISN'T yours.

DarrenToogood

17-03-2008, 02:36 PM

But the fact is, it is mine.

When a logo is created for someone, free of charge and the PSD is sent, to be use on HostSuite, then the owner of HostSuite is the owner of the logo, once it has been given.

Jake was just the person that seeked the designer. I am sure the designer will see reason and allow me to use it on the site.

RedCrisps

17-03-2008, 02:39 PM

The logo isn't that good anyway.

rawritsluke

17-03-2008, 02:39 PM

No it is not. Richard clearlly stated he only let you use it when JAKE was working on HostSuite, now he is not therefore you're not permitted to use it. Richard also said something in this thread about it so stop using it, make your own.

RedCrisps

17-03-2008, 02:42 PM

it's only a logo.

rawritsluke

17-03-2008, 03:35 PM

Indeed it's only a logo but the logo is not darrens, it's richards.

Plux

17-03-2008, 03:37 PM

Darren has been pwnt.

Edited by Hitman (Forum Moderator): Please don't post pointlessly.

RedCrisps

17-03-2008, 03:38 PM

Florx

17-03-2008, 03:54 PM

Correct it is a logo however I have morals and I do not wish Richards work to be slung onto a project that is going to fail or cause embarrasment to Richard.

If this was anybody else I would take the same action just in a slightly quieter way.

Thanks to ActiveVision for your support and SATIRE, plus all the others.

Darren,

Let me make this very clear.

I do not want you to use the logo. Neither does Richard so stop using it.

Jake.

rawritsluke

17-03-2008, 03:54 PM

Jake got Richard to make it for host suite, Making it property of host suite, and at the end of the day. it says host suite on it so why not just use it. Because i see no little 15 years olds on here even trying to start a court case of a silly logo.
I suggest you learn to read before thinking you are smart. Richard and Jake clearlly stated in this thread that the logo was to be only used when JAKE was working on HostSuite. Jake then quit hostsuite meaning the logo can no longer be used by Darren. But darren being the child he is, is kicking and screaming (As per usual:rolleyes:) about it.

Plux

17-03-2008, 03:56 PM

I suggest you learn to read before thinking you are smart. Richard and Jake clearlly stated in this thread that the logo was to be only used when JAKE was working on HostSuite. Jake then quit hostsuite meaning the logo can no longer be used by Darren. But darren being the child he is, is kicking and screaming (As per usual:rolleyes:) about it.

Well said.

rawritsluke

17-03-2008, 04:02 PM

Well said.
Why thankyou kind sir :)

DarrenToogood

17-03-2008, 04:05 PM

rawritsluke

17-03-2008, 04:07 PM

I think you are all missing the point. Jake has no involvement in this, he was just the boy inbetween doing the hard work for me. Yes I was lazy, too busy up ranking on Rainbow Six Vegas to find a logo designer, so I got him to do it - he doesn't own it.
Darren, use them glasses of yours. READ! Richard states in this thread that JAKE came to him asking for a logo for HostSuite, RICHARD then said he would do it but ONLY when JAKE was working for HostSuite. JAKE does not longer work for HostSuite meaning YOU cannot use that logo under richards terms, get it?

Jõnathan

17-03-2008, 04:08 PM

Plux

17-03-2008, 04:09 PM

I think you are all missing the point. Jake has no involvement in this, he was just the boy inbetween doing the hard work for me. Yes I was lazy, too busy up ranking on Rainbow Six Vegas to find a logo designer, so I got him to do it - he doesn't own it.

If you're parents are rich, why are you playing such a crap game?

Edited by Hitman (Forum Moderator): Please don't post offtopic.

rawritsluke

17-03-2008, 04:10 PM

Any thread regarding Darren Toogood* is brilliant.
End of.
Oh, and Jake - WHAT WERE YOU THINKING OF WORKING WITH DARREN?!?
You deserve to be shot for doing that' :@

*getting owned by every other forum member
'Joke
I love DarrenToogood threads :) And I think jake was only in it for the money side of things haha.

DarrenToogood

17-03-2008, 04:10 PM

but the matter of the fact is...

JAKE came to him asking for a logo for HostSuite, RICHARD then said he would do it but ONLY when JAKE was working for HostSuite.Its not true. There were no conditions stated, it was made clear to me that the logo was for HostSuite, and I was even sent the PSD.

Off-Topic: I laughed. Rainbow Six Vegas is a pretty good game, getting Vegas 2 and GTA4 soon.

Plux

17-03-2008, 04:11 PM

but the matter of the fact is...

Its not true. There were no conditions stated, it was made clear to me that the logo was for HostSuite, and I was even sent the PSD.

Answer my question, why playing such a terrible game, if you're parents are rich, and even why a PS3?

Edited by Hitman (Forum Moderator): Please don't post offtopic.

rawritsluke

17-03-2008, 04:13 PM

but the matter of the fact is...

Its not true. There were no conditions stated, it was made clear to me that the logo was for HostSuite, and I was even sent the PSD.
Maybe they forgot to tell you but Richard owns the logo as he is the creator. Darren your a 14 year old naive child you need to learn this is not how you do things in the world of buisness.

Example:
http://blogs.chron.com/fanblogastros/archives/FREE%20LUKE!.jpg
That fat kid is using my name on his banner, am I right to say thats mine as it has my name on? NO!

DarrenToogood

17-03-2008, 04:14 PM

I have always liked PlayStation's, and if I recall, the PS3 is the most expensive console. The game is not crap, I enjoy it and is no cheaper than the others, for me anyway.

Edited by Hitman (Forum Moderator): Please don't post offtopic.

Plux

17-03-2008, 04:15 PM

I have always liked PlayStation's, and if I recall, the PS3 is the most expensive console. The game is not crap, I enjoy it and is no cheaper than the others, for me anyway.

Rb6 Vegas is terrible, CoD4 Beats it, or do you cry when someone kills you?

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rawritsluke

17-03-2008, 04:16 PM

Rb6 Vegas is terrible, CoD4 Beats it, or do you cry when someone kills you?
No he wrecks up his room and goes mad like always:rolleyes:

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Florx

17-03-2008, 04:21 PM

I have always liked PlayStation's, and if I recall, the PS3 is the most expensive console. The game is not crap, I enjoy it and is no cheaper than the others, for me anyway.

Don't spam.

Rb6 Vegas is terrible, CoD4 Beats it, or do you cry when someone kills you?

Please don't spam.

No he wrecks up his room and goes mad like always:rolleyes:

You too :p

I think the public have had their say so time to close this thread.

Edited by LucasAge (Forum Super Moderator): Please do not comment on members breaking the rules, use the report button instead.