HostSuite Logo - Why the other thread was closed

[DarrenToogood]

Hello,

The reason the other thread was closed, because Jake knows he has been bulling. After looking through my folder, I found the correct logo which was made for Jake. I admit, the logo I am about to show is owned by Richard and/or Jake and I do not own it.

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/4172/hostsuitelogorichardqy0.png

This is the logo I am using:

http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/3/hostsuitelslogohs7.png

I have made the second logo, and have free useage over it. The first logo is not mine and I do not intend to use it.

Closed by Hitman (Forum Moderator): Thread closed due to it becoming offtopic.

[rawritsluke]

So you just rip it :)

[DarrenToogood]

Not atall, anyone can pick up Photoshop CS3 and use the text tool, I have made that logo in that style, colourings etc and it is now mine.

[SATIRE]

You have no right to post that image, especially in a diminishing way.

[DarrenToogood]

Nothing stopping me posting an image, its not porn, its not illegal. The fact is I am trying to get across to users that Jake has been trying to turn people against me.

[Plux]

You do not have legal rights to posess that image.

[DarrenToogood]

The image was sent to me, therefore it was openly shared.

Now, lets not get off the point which I am trying to make.

[rawritsluke]

Nothing stopping me posting an image, its not porn, its not illegal. The fact is I am trying to get across to users that Jake has been trying to turn people against me.You've done that yourself.

[lolwut]

For god sake, who cares.
Darren, you turn every single thing you possibly can into a arguement. Ask anyone else on this forum, they'll agree with me.

[RedCrisps]

Heh. Everyone hates Darren =]

I think he is well cool. When he isn't going on like a *****.

[Florx]

The real reason I closed the other thread was because I know the real argument was about to start or spam wars so I was trying to save you the agony.

Instead you try and turn it round onto me.

If you compare the two images, it is clear that you just recoloured the word Suite.
- If I recolour a HabboHotel furniture item then Sulake still owns that image.

Therefore I still own BOTH images.

Thanks,
Jake

[Plux]

The real reason I closed the other thread was because I know the real argument was about to start or spam wars so I was trying to save you the agony.

Instead you try and turn it round onto me.

If you compare the two images, it is clear that you just recoloured the word Suite.
- If I recolour a HabboHotel furniture item then Sulake still owns that image.

Therefore I still own BOTH images.

Thanks,
Jake


Yes, this is correct.
Darren give up.

[DarrenToogood]

No you do not. I have taken the same font (everyone has access to a font), used the same words (everyone can use ANY word) and used a free colouring, and created my logo.

[kk.]

darren,
as you ahd the psd, all you ahve done is change the colour of the 'suite' part. i have gone onto PS and put the two texts together and, no surprise, they fit perfectly.

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/3272/hscopylj8.png

[Plux]

Darren has failed folks.

[DarrenToogood]

Nothing stopping me editing a colouring, anyone could create that logo...the fact is I have created it and I am now using it.

[Moh]

Oh gosh, looks like ANOTHER arguement.

[kk.]

you just said yopu got a font and created it. clearly you are now contradicting yourself and lieing. lol.

EDIT: oh wait nm. but what florx is saying si correct.

[Florx]

Yes but the recolouring example I used about Habbo where if I recolour a Club Sofa to yellow, Sulake still own it.

I therefore still own BOTH logos.

[DarrenToogood]

Creating an image such as furniture is different to using a free-to-use textbox.

I was just making my point, and explaining why I am still using my logo.

[Source]

Now then, I dont want to stand up for Darren, nor do I want to argue. I just want to state a quick point.

The logo that was created, you should realise that you have not gone through the legal process to copyright it that Saluke or any other company would have done. If however you provide the correct legal documentation, then you have a damn right good point.

However, darren don't rip. Your a graphics designer yourself fgs (or so you say).

Anyway, I will state this over and over again. I am not here to argue, that is just my personal opinion.

Have a good day :)

[DarrenToogood]

I have not ripped.

[Xarea]

I have not ripped.

why do you use this forum if everyone just bullies u?

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[DarrenToogood]

Resolved.

To stop all arguements, I have had a new logo made and will no longer be connected, or use the logo which was created by Richard.

Thank you Matt for designing this new logo for HostSuite. This logo is now owned by myself and is free to use on the HostSuite project.

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/230/hostsuitelogonewcc1.png

[Source]

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/2448/hostsuitesp2.png

There's a slightly improved one if that helps you. You know where to contact me if its necessary.

[DarrenToogood]

Thank you for further development. I am sure people will grow to love this logo when I get around to finishing the project xD

[Florx]

Thank you for changing your logo.

As I said on msn. You cannot win.

[Source]

Ok now then FlorX. I respect you and you seem like a generally decent guy around the forums, however that post was not neccessary. It was childish (bit like ye old darren) and just doesnt relate. Darren took a half nobel decision to take the logo I made to end your arguements.

Now, your happy and so is darren. So stop trying to inflame certain arguements and just be happy with what you have got.

Thanks guys, if everyone is nice there is never a problem.

[rawritsluke]

Darren you say your a designer yet you don't design your own logos? lol.

[Florx]

Yeah sorry that post was a little childish but it had to be said.

[Source]

lol I guess. It didnt 'have' to be said. You could of just held in your personal contentness.

[RichardKnox]

Darren, I appreciate you being respectful enough to change the logo. I wish you luck with your project.



The logo that was created, you should realise that you have not gone through the legal process to copyright it that Saluke or any other company would have done. If however you provide the correct legal documentation, then you have a damn right good point.

Matt, you do realise that by UK and European copyright laws the work is automatically owned by the creator?

[Source]

Yea I do, im british myself. However its different between business' and personal work. I'll post up some stuff later with all the nitty gritty small print.

[RedCrisps]

Not atall, anyone can pick up Photoshop CS3 and use the text tool, I have made that logo in that style, colourings etc and it is now mine.
not me, as i don't have that software.

[Invent]

All this really shows Darren is that you can't design and you also don't have any creative talent.

So yeah, congratulations for proving us all right about what we've been saying for the past few months.

[rawritsluke]

All this really shows Darren is that you can't design and you also don't have any creative talent.

So yeah, congratulations for proving us all right about what we've been saying for the past few months.
Well said lol.

[DarrenToogood]

I can design, not the best designer, however I do not like doing logos, its just not me.

[Plux]

Darren, you said to me, after asking for me to go nude on webcam, (I rejected)
if I'd like logos done, as you were awesome?




Please, Darren,
Not bullying, or forcibily insulting Mods!
Just leave please.

[RedCrisps]

I can design, not the best designer, however I do not like doing logos, its just not me.

Your designs are awesome. I've bought loads from you before.

[blanky12!]

what is going to happen darren then?

you gonna not nick the design?

[Agnostic Bear]

Nothing stopping me posting an image, its not porn, its not illegal. The fact is I am trying to get across to users that Jake has been trying to turn people against me.

No you're doing that yourself with these threads, I will tell you how many people actually care (hint: none).


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[SATIRE]

Yea I do, im british myself. However its different between business' and personal work. I'll post up some stuff later with all the nitty gritty small print.

Technically, you are wrong.

In this case, it's an un-registered company, which means the graphic goes straight to the creators will.

[Splinter]

I dont even have a clue what this is over but it involves Darren once again. Darren just because you have some mental illness its absolutely no excuse for CONSTANTLY acting like a ******** if you cant help yourself, keep of web forums. Its very simple.

[Forge]

So if i found the microsoft font and typed in Microsoft, but in blue would it be mine? would it hell! Microsoft would sue my ****.
Just accept it as your reputation is going down with every reply this thread gets. With all the time you spent arguing over this logo you could have created your own. Your a designer aren't you? Start acting like one.

[DarrenToogood]

I am going to continue use of this logo, because it is a logo I made. It has been been ripped atall, I just used the same font.

More updates to come on the project soon.

[rawritsluke]

I am going to continue use of this logo, because it is a logo I made. It has been been ripped atall, I just used the same font.

More updates to come on the project soon.
Lmao atleast you admit to ripping :)

[Forge]

I think thats a typo, we all know hes too scared to admit it.
Be an actual designer and design something of your own!! I dont think anybody cares about your project anymore as we know what a lazy owner it has.

[rawritsluke]

I think thats a typo, we all know hes too scared to admit it.
Be an actual designer and design something of your own!! I dont think anybody cares about your project anymore as we know what a lazy owner it has.
I know but I just couldn't resist on pulling him up on it :) Darren I have two words to say to you and I want you to think about these, GIVE UP. You have no reputation no more, the only reputation you have is a lazy owner and a ripper. Nobody on here will buy anything from you nor start in one of your failing projects. You don't even have buisness plans for them, as I have said numerous of times your too young and naive to be doing this stuff, take some time to grow up and learn a few things.

[DarrenToogood]

Five words... grow up and move on.

[rawritsluke]

Five words... grow up and move on.
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[Forge]

I have the common sense not to start a huge php project as web services isnt my priority in life. Just give up now. Maybe giving up will get you a little respect as now your just being stubborn for the sake of a logo that is just abit of text you have taken from the logo that caused this arguement.

You cant tell people to grow up when you are acting like this. Go get a pair mate and then come back.

[rawritsluke]

Darren why do you persist to annoy? Does your mother tell you a success and egg you on? If so I think you need to listen to the people who have done design for a while and not your mummy.

[Source]

I have never seen so many people in my life argueing over something so pathetic. All of you, get over it. Worry about the real world rather than darrens project which will fail.

[Forge]

Matt i see your point but the arguement has grown from the original logo. Now its about him being a stubborn person which we have been saying for the past few months.

[DarrenToogood]

The HostSuite project is now my main project, as I am selling RangeHost.

[rawritsluke]

Goodluck trying to find someone who will work with you lol.

[DarrenToogood]

I am sure there are people out there. I know a few people, however some are busy with other projects, some are wanting upfront cash.

[rawritsluke]

I am sure there are people out there. I know a few people, however some are busy with other projects, some are wanting upfront cash.
Well you practically blew your chances of anyone helping you on here.

[Ini]

So if i found the microsoft font and typed in Microsoft, but in blue would it be mine? would it hell! Microsoft would sue my ****.


Actually where businesses are concerned, two companies can have exactly the same name aslong as they are not selling/doing the same thing.

So if decided to start up a company called 'Microsoft' as long as what you are selling/doing doesn't conflict with what they are selling/making/doing then you are alright, obviously the company logo could not be identical as people would get confused, but if it was a diffrent color, and a free to use font then it would be ok.

I don't no if anyone else has seen/heard this but i was in the work van the other day and i seen something like 'Sams' on the back of a taxi (Ok so it's a taxi firm) roughly 5 minutes later i see a vans with 'Sams' on the side, similar writing but they were a delivery service, therefore none of them could sue the other.

Anyway thats just about your microsoft point.

I totally 100% agree with Darren here, the way i see it, the text used on the logo is a free to use font, anyone could use it at any time, so that's fine..?

The colors are lighter than the ones used on Jake's logo therefore they are not the same, and nobody can copyright colors anyway, becuase then nobody would have free choice of them, so theres no problem there..

And it look to me like he has lower the optacity, which is a nice effect on PhotoShop which anyone can use.

He has just got inspiration from a diffrent logo, everyone gets inspiration from somewhere, so as far i can see this is not a rip.

Give him a break, look forward to seeing your project Darren.

Thanks

[JamesRouale]

Am I the only one who is thinking why a designer can't design his own logo... :rolleyes:

[rawritsluke]

Am I the only one who is thinking why a designer can't design his own logo... :rolleyes:
Nope lol, I don't know how darren has the cheek to say he is a designer when he ripped his portfolio layout and ripped a logo lol.

[Florx]

Darren this is the kind of argument that I tried to avoid in the other thread.

Good luck with HostSuite.

[rawritsluke]

Darren brings it on himself by not listening to anyone.

[DarrenToogood]

Rawr, I am a little confused why you believe I have 'ripped a portfolio design, and alogo'. Thank you Ini for your support, finally someone with some sense!

[rawritsluke]

Rawr, I am a little confused why you believe I have 'ripped a portfolio design, and alogo'. Thank you Ini for your support, finally someone with some sense!
How many people in the other thread said you ripped it? And L!nK posted a link. And you ripped the logo richard did, just changed a color rofl. Sense? If Ini believes in you he has no sense at all.

[DarrenToogood]

Please could you show me this 'ripped template'? You don't just take peoples word for it and spread rumours...

Also I have not ripped the logo. If you look at Ini's post, he is 100% correct. I used a text tool and a colour...that is not ripping.

[rawritsluke]

Please could you show me this 'ripped template'? You don't just take peoples word for it and spread rumours...

Also I have not ripped the logo. If you look at Ini's post, he is 100% correct. I used a text tool and a colour...that is not ripping.
The orange portfolio layout. Also rofl, you clearlly ripped the logo richard did, just changed a color it's called ripping you fool.

[DarrenToogood]

The 'orange' portfolio template is not a rip. I have made that, and I have the PSD's for each page. I have not 'clearly ripped' the logo Richard has used, because I just used a font, a text tool and a colour.

You can not call that ripping, because I have not copied and pasted his exact work, infact I just got the font and made it myself, which is not a crime and not ripping.

[SATIRE]

Actually where businesses are concerned, two companies can have exactly the same name aslong as they are not selling/doing the same thing.

So if decided to start up a company called 'Microsoft' as long as what you are selling/doing doesn't conflict with what they are selling/making/doing then you are alright, obviously the company logo could not be identical as people would get confused, but if it was a diffrent color, and a free to use font then it would be ok.

You're wrong, I'm afraid. Microsoft is a registered trademark of Microsoft Corporation, so you wouldn't get far with that.

Most companies register their name as a trademark in order to avoid this.

Click here for a full list of Microsoft's trademarks if you wish to argue further. (http://www.microsoft.com/library/toolbar/3.0/trademarks/en-us.mspx)

[rawritsluke]

One word comes to mind.. owned?

[Ini]

You're wrong, I'm afraid. Microsoft is a registered trademark of Microsoft Corporation, so you wouldn't get far with that.

Most companies register their name as a trademark in order to avoid this.

Click here for a full list of Microsoft's trademarks if you wish to argue further. (http://www.microsoft.com/library/toolbar/3.0/trademarks/en-us.mspx)

Ok you are sort of right as microsoft made the fonts in the first place, but they made them free for anyone to use.

As i was saying i could make a company called microsoft, and it could be a cleaning company, or a building contractor as long as i dont start making computers or software under the name microsoft without permission there is no problems.

The link you supplied just shows what they have made and registered, every company does that, doesn't mean i cant you 'Microsoft' for my companys name aslong as i dont claim i made anything they have.

If i made a company and used 'Verdana' for example on my companys logo, microsoft can't come and shut me down becuase i used it and they made it, they made the font free for everyone to use.

Thanks

And Darren, no problem, seems to me everyone on here thinks everything is ripping just becuase it looks like something else.

If a man from the UK made a doll, then someone from China (or wherever) made a doll very similar but has different clothes, or diffrent color eyes then yes people would say its very similar but they havent 'Ripped' his doll because they made it and it has diffrences.

Thanks again

[SATIRE]

Ok you are sort of right as microsoft made the fonts in the first place, but they made them free for anyone to use.

As i was saying i could make a company called microsoft, and it could be a cleaning company, or a building contractor as long as i dont start making computers or software under the name microsoft without permission there is no problems.

The link you supplied just shows what they have made and registered, every company does that, doesn't mean i cant you 'Microsoft' for my companys name aslong as i dont claim i made anything they have.

If i made a company and used 'Verdana' for example on my companys logo, microsoft can't come and shut me down becuase i used it and they made it, they made the font free for everyone to use.

Thanks

If you made a company called Microsoft, no matter what you sell, you'll more than likely get a nice little letter from Microsoft, or a phone call, or an email, or a choo-choo train on a bike. You cannot make a company called 'Microsoft', since 'Microsoft' is a registered trademark of 'Microsoft Corporation'. [this means that, without written permission, you cannot use the name for advertising, branding, in a diminished mannor etc]

Yes it does.

That's not the same, since that font is released by Microsoft under a licence.

Thanks,

[Ini]

Yeh ok, if you say so this thread is not about that anyway

[rawritsluke]

Ini, give up. I have never seen another shop called BurgerKing that don't sell food. Or tescos or asda.

[Ini]

Ini, give up. I have never seen another shop called BurgerKing that don't sell food. Or tescos or asda.
Who said it has to be a big company?

And it doesnt have to be a shop to be called burger king?

Can you not read what i'm trying to say or are you just stupid?

[rawritsluke]

Can be small companies too you fool.

[Ini]

I'm going round in circles trying to explain it to you, try reading my first post again about the 'Sams' situation.

[kk.]

well today, i saw a vancalled DYSON. it was a house insulating company, not the hover. It depends on if the companies are TM and the name i think and who was set up first and if they had a TM.

say i set up a company called microsoft, and then the actual microsoft came along after me, i wuld be able to keep my name but no others would be able to set up as long as MS set up a TM.

[Hypertext]

Sorry darren but, you gave up rangehost for hostsuite?

If I'm not mistaken there too of the same thing?

You're a designer.. but... you can't design your logo... and I'm damn sure you didn't design the layout.. in fact I remember quite vividly, with the random clock. So no offence, but what exactly do you plan on doing with designing, if you don't design?

:S

[Plux]

Sorry darren but, you gave up rangehost for hostsuite?

If I'm not mistaken there too of the same thing?

You're a designer.. but... you can't design your logo... and I'm damn sure you didn't design the layout.. in fact I remember quite vividly, with the random clock. So no offence, but what exactly do you plan on doing with designing, if you don't design?

:S

Don't you have Divs to test?

[DarrenToogood]

RangeHost is a hosting business...
HostSuite is going to be a project which develops systems for the hosting market, i.e Live Support System.

I am a designer correct, when I want to design I can. I was finding it hard coming up with a suitable logo, so I asked someone else to help. I did not make the RangeHost template, because I did not have the time, someone else offered and hosting templates are not my strong point.

Everyone has their up points and down points.

[Plux]

RangeHost is a hosting business...
HostSuite is going to be a project which develops systems for the hosting market, i.e Live Support System.

I am a designer correct, when I want to design I can. I was finding it hard coming up with a suitable logo, so I asked someone else to help. I did not make the RangeHost template, because I did not have the time, someone else offered and hosting templates are not my strong point.

Everyone has their up points and down points.

What designs, have you made?

[Hypertext]

What he said. I would quote you darren, but what ups do you have?

[rawritsluke]

What he said. I would quote you darren, but what ups do you have? That would be NONE :P Welcome back reconix.

[DarrenToogood]

My first major design experience was working on a small project of mine called 'SmarterLayouts', that was around 4 years ago. Over the years I have been doing small freelance work for serveral websites, however in 2006 my big break came when I was taken onboard the 'Fusion' team as a graphics designer. Fusion is a local magazine, to a professional standard, however I left after Issue One.

I have continued to do some more freelance work, and work for myself, however I am in talks with a company based in Essex to be the Web Developer behind a new film called 'Alone', which will have a Cinema and DVD release. Sadley the project may be on hold, as the Oscar-Winning Director we were going to be having on board sadly died today. The project is working with the BBC and Daniel Radcliffe.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,91248-1309815,00.html

[Invent]

My first major design experience was working on a small project of mine called 'SmarterLayouts', that was around 4 years ago. Over the years I have been doing small freelance work for serveral websites, however in 2006 my big break came when I was taken onboard the 'Fusion' team as a graphics designer. Fusion is a local magazine, to a professional standard, however I left after Issue One.

Darren, it wasn't your "big break" ;)

[DarrenToogood]

Maybe this new project 'Alone' will be my big break.

[Invent]

Maybe this new project 'Alone' will be my big break.

From your previous work, I doubt it.
There are thousands of better designers than you, me and everyone else on this forum and yet they haven't got their "big break" after working on big jobs.

[DarrenToogood]

Ye there are better designers than me out there, however at the moment I am going to be leaving my design wrok, due to movig house, buiding a new PC, girl troubles etc.

sorry for bad writing , I am currently on my PS3,[leanng over my steering heel typing on one small keyboard

[Plux]

Girl troubles? They hiss and spit at you?
& Unless you lie about your age, a professional studio, would hire a professional flash website developer (Above 18+ licensed for business)
As most movie sites are flash.

You're a foney Darren.

[DarrenToogood]

The 'Alone' project is run by 'KidzFilmz Ltd.' and as the title say, it is a young adult led film, with help from people such as the BBC.

[rawritsluke]

Lmao! Another one of these little school projects he's working on with his class buddies that will probably go in the local paper of his and never to be seen again. Well done darren, 2 weeks of your life, gone, never to be retrieved.

[L!nK..]

Girl troubles? They hiss and spit at you?
& Unless you lie about your age, a professional studio, would hire a professional flash website developer (Above 18+ licensed for business)
As most movie sites are flash.

You're a foney Darren.

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