Removal or editing of staff rule breaking issue

[jrh2002]

I am not that impressed with how reported posts are always dealt with.

I reported the thread below today and expected it to be gone by now :s I spoke to somebody on messenger and pointed it out and they said they reported it the day the thread was created.

http://www.habbox.forum.com/showthread.php?t=465136

The person posting this is habbox staff and now they tell me to get over it :eusa_wall a moderator has also posted telling somebody it is against the rules but the thread is still left open or unedited.

I do know that when staff are breaking the rules it needs to be reported higher but surely a s/mod or admin should be able to deal with this and not just nvr? even if its just moved out the way until nvr reviews it then moves it back. I brought this up previously but was told its ok how it is :s so 3 days of stuff not being editied is ok? this happens alot more than this thread but I am highlighting this one due the the rudeness and rule breaking of the great staff member in question.

C&P of the thread incase its ever deleted

Beware REMOVED SCAMMS.
Yeh scammed me in a 5.0 bet. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyT2xz9QQPc for the vid.
yeh k so beware everyone dont fall for it.


The thread starter replying to me
Quote:
Originally Posted by jrh2002 http://www.habboxforum.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?p=4551677#post4551677)
Only bet what you can afford to lose even if it is by being scammed also only use trusted dealers to be safe.

Its against the rules to tell somebody they are breaking the rules but how has this thread lasted 3 days still naming the scammer and even has a mod editing a post :eusa_wall

#

stop moaning and get over it.:rolleyes: the thing youve said
has been sed like 10 times. read old posts before you do.

[jesus]

I fully agree with this. I spoke to nvr about giving us permission to close/move staff threads and he was it was a good idea but this wasn't taken any further. nvr comes on about once a day for not very long so it might be a good idea to hire 1 or 2 more staff editors.

[jrh2002]

Cant edit sorry :(

heres the link as i managed to get a full stop in the last one
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=465136


I fully agree with this. I spoke to nvr about giving us permission to close/move staff threads and he was it was a good idea but this wasn't taken any further. nvr comes on about once a day for not very long so it might be a good idea to hire 1 or 2 more staff editors.

I brought it up that if it was a normal staff member breaking the rules then surely at least elkaa as FM and the AFM should be allowed to deal with it. If it was a manager I understand a AGM would be needed but this would be very rare.

When I was AGM i brought this up and it didnt seem to go down to well but it would be looked into...............

surely a smod should at least be allowed to move it to a forum that only smod and above can see until the AGM deals with it then move it back?

[Mr.Sam]

you could just move the thread into the hidden forums, not like your editing the post or anything...


I fully agree with this. I spoke to nvr about giving us permission to close/move staff threads and he was it was a good idea but this wasn't taken any further. nvr comes on about once a day for not very long so it might be a good idea to hire 1 or 2 more staff editors.

[The Professor]

Imo the thread should also be closed on the grounds it is an argument, I don't think it's too much of a problem for a mod to close it until its reviewed by an smod/whoever deals with it.

[jrh2002]

you could just move the thread into the hidden forums, not like your editing the post or anything...

LOL yes it is that simple


Imo the thread should also be closed on the grounds it is an argument, I don't think it's too much of a problem for a mod to close it until its reviewed by an smod/whoever deals with it.

Surely it should be at least hidden as this could do damage to peoples reps. there is a video as proof but its not hard to edit them even though a little harder than editing a screenshot.

[Mrs.McCall]

I agree there about the possibility of more staff editors.

The forum and it's posts spans across a wide area and staff do break the rules but before mods can do anything, they have to tell Nvr and on top of his other jobs Nvr can't investigate every report straight away.

Maybe being moved to a hidden forum for Nvr to review is the better idea..

[Mr.Sam]

seems someone has finally moved it :eusa_whis


LOL yes it is that simple



Surely it should be at least hidden as this could do damage to peoples reps. there is a video as proof but its not hard to edit them even though a little harder than editing a screenshot.

[Elkaa]

The rule actually is that no infractions can be issued, or edits. The rule isn't that the post can't be moved into the private area, so SMod's are allowed to deal with it to that extent.

[jrh2002]

The rule actually is that no infractions can be issued, or edits. The rule isn't that the post can't be moved into the private area, so SMod's are allowed to deal with it to that extent.

That is good then :) the next question is how come it has took 3 days and this thread to get it moved? I never wanted to post here but after about 6 hours of my previous report and then finding out somebody else reported 2 or 3 days ago i was left with no other option.

[Mrs.McCall]

That is good then :) the next question is how come it has took 3 days and this thread to get it moved? I never wanted to post here but after about 6 hours of my previous report and then finding out somebody else reported 2 or 3 days ago i was left with no other option.

Probably because the rules on moderating staff members threads and posts wasn't clear. That's what i'd assume anyway. At least it's sorted now and I am sure Elkaa will pass the message on :P

[Greco!!]

Surely it should be at least hidden as this could do damage to peoples reps. there is a video as proof but its not hard to edit them even though a little harder than editing a screenshot.

ye exactly.. someone made a fake vid of me scamming a fish in my casino
it looks real but its fake
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8k6VJeNHri0

I think all super mods should be allowed to edit staff members posts..

[jrh2002]

Probably because the rules on moderating staff members threads and posts wasn't clear. That's what i'd assume anyway. At least it's sorted now and I am sure Elkaa will pass the message on :P

But after 4 years they should be :eusa_whis and I believe the hx staff following the rules is much more important than the members following the rules as they need to set a good example for the rest of us to follow.

I am pretty sure that previously the threads/posts by staff had to stay on public view until an AGM sorted the problem. I think that a smod moving them is all thats needed and if the change has recently been made (which is why nobody seems to know about it) Well done to Elkaa or whoever made the change.

[MissAlice]

Well it was me who reported it 2/3 days ago, and in fact I wrote in my report, that staff should read the rules. I was reporting a member of staff, surely when a thread created by a member of staff gets reported, it's given some kind of priority? Staff should be setting an example not rule breaking!
I don't know if the person accused of scamming is a member of the forum, but I do think it's disgraceful that the thread wasn't moved. Hopefully a lesson has been learnt here.

[Pix]

WOW YOU REMOVED IT. surely well done.
ive seen other threads like this before and only the name was ruled out.
why not do that instead... and for you jrh you got what you wanted finish it there.

[today]

I personaly think Elkaa should be given the permission to edit staff posts as the Forum is the main place for it ;D

[jrh2002]

WOW YOU REMOVED IT. surely well done.
ive seen other threads like this before and only the name was ruled out.
why not do that instead... and for you jrh you got what you wanted finish it there.

What a lovely attitude you have :)
The name and the link to the video should have both been removed or the thread moved until dealt with by somebody who had authority to do so.
This thread is pointing out an issue that could be solved in a better way so please dont think it was made to point out that you cant follow the rules as a staff member should.


I personaly think Elkaa should be given the permission to edit staff posts as the Forum is the main place for it ;D

As long as the person in question is below management then that would work perfectly als the AFM if there is one any more

[MissAlice]

I personaly think Elkaa should be given the permission to edit staff posts as the Forum is the main place for it ;D

I think common sense should of kicked in here, and surely any capable mod should of moved the thread out of members view and into a forum for unsuitable threads, until a suitable member of staff could have dealt with it! Not that difficult is it?

[Pix]

NXT QUESTION : WHY WAS THIS THREAD UP FOR 3 DAYS. I CANT BELEIVE THIS. LACK OF ATTENTION FROM STAFF. kk no more blamin me, all the staffs fault x

[today]

I think common sense should of kicked in here, and surely any capable mod should of moved the thread out of members view and into a forum for unsuitable threads, until a suitable member of staff could have dealt with it! Not that difficult is it?

We are not allowed to move any staff post/thread at all unless its a staff member posting constant porn links, swearing then we are allowed too in other words content which would mean your banned auto otherwise we must report the post to the Staff Editor.

[jrh2002]

NXT QUESTION : WHY WAS THIS THREAD UP FOR 3 DAYS. I CANT BELEIVE THIS. LACK OF ATTENTION FROM STAFF. kk no more blamin me, all the staffs fault x

You made the thread which was wrong but from then on its down to the forum staff etc to sort it especially after it had been reported at least twice. from making a mistake you are now starting to make yourself look a little silly.

[today]

You made the thread which was wrong but from then on its down to the forum staff etc to sort it especially after it had been reported at least twice. from making a mistake you are now starting to make yourself look a little silly.

I agree there, that comment from him was abit childish and i see why your slighty mad if its been reported but all we know the posts could of been reported to the Staff Editor but he didnt have chance to act?

I honestly dont know, normally S'mods ignore post reports like that and let the forum mods deal with them ones (i think?)

But still, its sorted now, better late then never ;]

[Pix]

not really, im still going with what your saying. might be my fault but why would forum staff not remove it afta 3 days. so im not the only one to blame.
on da ova hand i jst said that your wrong bcos i was tryna help them :l it might be agains forum rules but i had to say name for heads up.
further more, even if it was my fault forum staff should of warned me, i got no warning neither did it get removed till nearly 4 days, so as a staff i may be in the wrong but im not the only staff that is.
In conclusion my essay is finished.

[Mr.Sam]

could you stop being annoying?
the whole thread is about why it took 3 days, read the whole thread next time.


NXT QUESTION : WHY WAS THIS THREAD UP FOR 3 DAYS. I CANT BELEIVE THIS. LACK OF ATTENTION FROM STAFF. kk no more blamin me, all the staffs fault x

[today]

not really, im still going with what your saying. might be my fault but why would forum staff not remove it afta 3 days. so im not the only one to blame.
on da ova hand i jst said that your wrong bcos i was tryna help them :l it might be agains forum rules but i had to say name for heads up.
further more, even if it was my fault forum staff should of warned me, i got no warning neither did it get removed till nearly 4 days, so as a staff i may be in the wrong but im not the only staff that is.
In conclusion my essay is finished.

"forum staff" cannot warn or infract you, as its been said several times we are not allowed to do so.

[Pix]

"forum staff" cannot warn or infract you, as its been said several times we are not allowed to do so.

I meant SPECIFIC ones. Like sMods and etc. i already know most cant infract
Back to topic : like sam said, WHY WAS THIS THREAD UP FOR THREE DAYS. WAITING FOR A EXPLANATION.

[today]

I meant SPECIFIC ones. Like sMods and etc. i already know most cant infract

We can infract users and VIPS if needing, we can even go infract staff but we'll end up getting fired :rolleyes: Super Moderators are not able to edit staff posts either. ONLY the Staff Editor can.

[Pix]

You planning to come back on topic now?
why wasnt it dealt with was the point of this thread, stop losing the route.

[jrh2002]

We can infract users and VIPS if needing, we can even go infract staff but we'll end up getting fired :rolleyes: Super Moderators are not able to edit staff posts either. ONLY the Staff Editor can.

But s/mods can move it until its looked at? surely the mod who posted somebody was breaking the rules should have informed a s/mod?
I think the moving the thread until dealt with must be a new thing elkaa is bringing in or brought in very recently? I know either sierk, mad or both didnt like threads moved (cant remember which)
Why were the reports (2 we know of) not followed up? I am sure they would have been if the smods knew they could.

I am not angry or mad at all. I am trying to give ideas to make things work much better in my opinion and from what i see others agree with me.

[Catzsy]

But after 4 years they should be :eusa_whis and I believe the hx staff following the rules is much more important than the members following the rules as they need to set a good example for the rest of us to follow.

I am pretty sure that previously the threads/posts by staff had to stay on public view until an AGM sorted the problem. I think that a smod moving them is all thats needed and if the change has recently been made (which is why nobody seems to know about it) Well done to Elkaa or whoever made the change.


Well it was me who reported it 2/3 days ago, and in fact I wrote in my report, that staff should read the rules. I was reporting a member of staff, surely when a thread created by a member of staff gets reported, it's given some kind of priority? Staff should be setting an example not rule breaking!
I don't know if the person accused of scamming is a member of the forum, but I do think it's disgraceful that the thread wasn't moved. Hopefully a lesson has been learnt here.


I have also seen far more instances of staff breaking the rules in the last couple of months. Its a lot for one staff editor to do but if I remember rightly
the staff editor does not cover the mods -its the mod management but in any event I would suggest:

1. Ordinary staff - edited by Smods
2. Above that staff editor or GM
3. Moderation staff - AFM/FM

Smods would have the experience to do it and could refer upwards in the event of a problem.

[Pix]

agreed, were here to construct not desctuct. im jst wonderin why the 2 reports
were not taken. is it cos it wasnt serious enough or cos of laziness or lack of staf..

[MissAlice]

We can infract users and VIPS if needing, we can even go infract staff but we'll end up getting fired :rolleyes: Super Moderators are not able to edit staff posts either. ONLY the Staff Editor can.

I think the whole point here is, why couldn't a mod have moved the thread into a staff sub-forum for management viewing? Management can see who moved a thread, and the person moving the thread could so easily have made a post at the end of the thread stating their concerns, which could of been deleted after, if necessary.


agreed, were here to construct not desctuct. im jst wonderin why the 2 reports
were not taken. is it cos it wasnt serious enough or cos of laziness or lack of staf..

It's not staff being lazy, it's the fact that mods can't or haven't been allowed to move a thread because the thread creator was a member of staff.

Hopefully, this thread has highlighted a problem which can be resolved.

[Catzsy]

I think the whole point here is, why couldn't a mod have moved the thread into a staff sub-forum for management viewing? Management can see who moved a thread, and the person moving the thread could so easily have made a post at the end of the thread stating their concerns, which could of been deleted after, if necessary.



It's not staff being lazy, it's the fact that mods can't or haven't been allowed to move a thread because the thread creator was a member of staff.

Hopefully, this thread has highlighted a problem which can be resolved.

I thought they had a thread dump for this purpose?

[MissAlice]

We are not allowed to move any staff post/thread at all unless its a staff member posting constant porn links, swearing then we are allowed too in other words content which would mean your banned auto otherwise we must report the post to the Staff Editor.


I thought they had a thread dump for this purpose?

There is your answer! They do have one, but for specific rule breaking only ;)

[Catzsy]

There is your answer! They do have one, but for specific rule breaking only ;)

I should read the posts more carefully :$ Well perhaps they could do the same thing for staff rule breaking :)

[Slowpoke]

I should read the posts more carefully :$ Well perhaps they could do the same thing for staff rule breaking :)

yeah that makes sense.

[jrh2002]

I should read the posts more carefully :$ Well perhaps they could do the same thing for staff rule breaking :)

Of course it would be and its been suggested a number of times but nothing has been changed :o until now maybe? elkaa seems to be looking into it. I also agree with you on who can deal with what :)

[The Professor]

I think common sense should of kicked in here, and surely any capable mod should of moved the thread out of members view and into a forum for unsuitable threads, until a suitable member of staff could have dealt with it! Not that difficult is it?

I agree, personally I would've done that, but on the other hand I might have been fired for it, so I can see why nothing was done. I personally think the mod guide needs re-writing and a few things changed/ammended to make our jobs easier. Another example being there's no infraction for pointless posting, which is actually the main offence I see. There's too much red tape in habbox, its a shame common sense doesn't prevail.

[mat64]

Moderators should be able to give out warnings/infractions to staff, excluding other moderators as that's a different matter. Staff are still forum members after all and they should be following the rules in a much better manner than others are expected to. Staff editors can be aware of the infractions issued simply though something like a PM to them or a thread in the moderator forums like "Report staff problems to the the staff editor here", which is very simular to the other report threads already in place. This not only saves nvr PM space but makes things easier for moderators as they can just get on with their job whilst nvr gets on with more important things than just chasing staff around because they are breaking forum rules. A simply post in this thread saying that a member of staff has X number of infractions now and should be looked into would be a much better way of dealing with staff infractions. I mean it does take a whole load of infractions for a staff member to get fired, pretty much the same amount it takes for a member to go on caution. So I don't see why this wouldn't work, nor why it hasn't already been implemented.

Just a small note; I haven't had time to read the 4 pages of this thread, so If what I have said has already been mentioned just disregard this post.

[Metric1]

All I asked for was a little slack. I made a MISTAKE a simple warning would have been fine maybe a little ban, but being PERMED for a mistake?

[The Professor]

All I asked for was a little slack. I made a MISTAKE a simple warning would have been fine maybe a little ban, but being PERMED for a mistake?

Who are you?

[Metric1]

Who are you?

Metric.

[Pix]

Metric.

and the reason being to change the subject?

[today]

I thought they had a thread dump for this purpose?
We have a thread dump to move normal or VIP user threads not Staff, ;)

I think the whole point here is, why couldn't a mod have moved the thread into a staff sub-forum for management viewing? Management can see who moved a thread, and the person moving the thread could so easily have made a post at the end of the thread stating their concerns, which could of been deleted after, if necessary.



It's not staff being lazy, it's the fact that mods can't or haven't been allowed to move a thread because the thread creator was a member of staff.

Hopefully, this thread has highlighted a problem which can be resolved.
The whole moving staff posts from the public would mess threads up completely and well it would mean staff get thier posts moved from the public so other users couldnt reply or see that staff do actually break the rules.

I agree Super Moderators should be able to infract normal staff only.

agreed, were here to construct not desctuct. im jst wonderin why the 2 reports
were not taken. is it cos it wasnt serious enough or cos of laziness or lack of staf..
Honestly you need to watch what your saying here. Your spelling, well lets not go there.


All I asked for was a little slack. I made a MISTAKE a simple warning would have been fine maybe a little ban, but being PERMED for a mistake?
Its not about you. :rolleyes:

[MissAlice]

We have a thread dump to move normal or VIP user threads not Staff, ;)

The whole moving staff posts from the public would mess threads up completely and well it would mean staff get thier posts moved from the public so other users couldnt reply or see that staff do actually break the rules.

I agree Super Moderators should be able to infract normal staff only.

Honestly you need to watch what your saying here. Your spelling, well lets not go there.


Its not about you. :rolleyes:

I never said posts, I said threads, it's not very difficult to move a thread lol. The very fact it was a member of staff who created the thread makes it even more important surely to have at least more than one member of staff move it before it becomes embarassing. The real purpose of this thread being created was to highlight an issue that needs rectifying, it's not an attack at staff.

Also, I really don't think it's your place to criticise members spelling or typing errors.

[today]

I never said posts, I said threads, it's not very difficult to move a thread lol. The very fact it was a member of staff who created the thread makes it even more important surely to have at least more than one member of staff move it before it becomes embarassing. The real purpose of this thread being created was to highlight an issue that needs rectifying, it's not an attack at staff.

Also, I really don't think it's your place to criticise members spelling or typing errors.
There's a difference in mixing up their/there/the're then spelling words wrong. ;)

Yes but i was saying if a staff member ever made a rude post and if we was given this "power" to move threads and posts. A example was that it would make threads look odd with staff posts being moved, and as said why should staff be given extra treatment to hide the rule breaking?

So much for this staff & users being the same. :rolleyes: And im unsure where you got this "attack at staff" as i dont see it as that i agree that the staff editing posts should be changed considering how active the moderation staff are specially the Super Moderators they should be allowed too. Either that or Managers have "super moderation" powers so they can edit the staff posts for staff they manage.?

[Pix]

Honestly you need to watch what your saying here. Your spelling, well lets not go there.

if you was clever, you would realise that im not typin proply, only people like you wont understand that, go grow up and get back to the point.
wonder who made you a mod. -.-'

[Catzsy]

We have a thread dump to move normal or VIP user threads not Staff, ;)

Yes I was told that many posts ago but thanks:)



I agree Super Moderators should be able to infract normal staff only.

Yes - experienced ones with good judgment :p




Honestly you need to watch what your saying here. Your spelling, well lets not go there.


I don't think spelling incorrectly/bad grammar is against the rules is it so why keep mentioning it? - you sound like the literacy police. You have a bit of room to talk anyway. You say 'loose' when its 'lose' so :P


Its not about you. :rolleyes:

No, we all know it's about you :D You could have given the member some advice though :)

[Kardan]

Ignore, Ignore... All you have to do is ignore :D

[Pix]

Yes, if someone makes a 'mistake' that in no way could have been a mistake, and could have been prevented then action should be taken. Firing the staff member yes, but giving them a perm ban is over the top in my opinion.

They should lose their chance to be on the habbox staff team, but to deny them access to the forum what-so-ever is a bit over the top. Of course I don't know why he was fired but to be honest if it was a mistake with his moderating I can't see why he should be banned for it? (Unless of course he caused havoc in the announcements forum - That would be classic ;))

Were not talking about Him lol this is something else!

[Kardan]

Were not talking about Him lol this is something else!

Oh, did I get the wrong thread? :P Yeah, total wrong thread :D

Ok, my views on this...

Super MODs should be able to move/edit staffs posts, it seems right to me... Of course if managers could move/edit their departments posts this would add pressure for the department leaders to moderate their teams posts rather than doing their job... So only Super MODs and above should get the power to do so...

[Pix]

yeh, your talkin bout the mod that got banned for posting on a closed thread! :) forgot his name

[Catzsy]

Oh, did I get the wrong thread? :P

Yes. ROFL! but the good news is that he is unbanned :D

[jrh2002]

We have a thread dump to move normal or VIP user threads not Staff, ;)


Whos we? it was said s/mods move staff rule breaking THREADS and then return them when dealt with not normal mods move them.



The whole moving staff posts from the public would mess threads up completely and well it would mean staff get thier posts moved from the public so other users couldnt reply or see that staff do actually break the rules.


THREADS not posts and you think its a good idea for staff rule breaks to be in public for 3 days? you should be setting an example and after a post is edited and the staff member in question told about it they should not do it again.



I agree Super Moderators should be able to infract normal staff only.


I agree with that :eusa_danc




Honestly you need to watch what your saying here. Your spelling, well lets not go there.
Its not about you. :rolleyes:

No need to criticise people for their spelling and grammar. If you can understand it whats the issue? whos to say hes not got a dyslexic? could just be being lazy but without the facts its not right to pick people up on it.


I laugh at people quoting the rules to Catzsy because I think she knows them inside out. Anyway keep digging.


Yes, if someone makes a 'mistake' that in no way could have been a mistake, and could have been prevented then action should be taken. Firing the staff member yes, but giving them a perm ban is over the top in my opinion.

They should lose their chance to be on the habbox staff team, but to deny them access to the forum what-so-ever is a bit over the top. Of course I don't know why he was fired but to be honest if it was a mistake with his moderating I can't see why he should be banned for it? (Unless of course he caused havoc in the announcements forum - That would be classic ;))

Minty's thread was moved to complaints :P

[Pix]

So the next question is? Are Mods gna hve enough power to close/move normal staffs threads?

[jrh2002]

So the next question is? Are Mods gna hve enough power to close/move normal staffs threads?

I think something will be done but who knows :) theres never alot of change and then when something is finally changed and it doesnt work it seems some people are to scared to admit a mistake and change things back.

[Pix]

the thing im amazed about is, weve been talkin bout this since the mornin and Mad or sumone hasnt actually sed enyfin bout it. atleast inform us of whats gna happen :S

[Slowpoke]

the thing im amazed about is, weve been talkin bout this since the mornin and Mad or sumone hasnt actually sed enyfin bout it. atleast inform us of whats gna happen :S

they will debate it for a few days. if they were to actually let this rule drop then it would be a big change for habbox. it's been like this since i first signed up back in 05, i believe. i do like this idea although i think it should only be SMods+ that are allowed.

[Pix]

yeh agreed, btw nice to see you back! :)

[MissAlice]

There's a difference in mixing up their/there/the're then spelling words wrong. ;)

Yes but i was saying if a staff member ever made a rude post and if we was given this "power" to move threads and posts. A example was that it would make threads look odd with staff posts being moved, and as said why should staff be given extra treatment to hide the rule breaking?


And they're ;)

Forum Moderators shouldn't be given that permission, well not in my opinion. But SMods maybe should.

http://www.habboxforum.com/showpost.php?p=4552622&postcount=9



So much for this staff & users being the same. :rolleyes: And im unsure where you got this "attack at staff" as i dont see it as that i agree that the staff editing posts should be changed considering how active the moderation staff are specially the Super Moderators they should be allowed too. Either that or Managers have "super moderation" powers so they can edit the staff posts for staff they manage.?

I will say it again "It's not an attack at staff". So why you are rolling your eyes is a little odd. Please don't try and read things that aren't there.

[Pix]

I love that last phrase. PLEASE DON'T TRY AND READ THINGS THAT AREN'T THERE. memorise that as well as the alphabet

[Kaine]

I know I'm digging my own grave by saying this, but this just goes to show how completely idiotic HxF staff are at times.

I also gripe at certain staff members marking certain posts as "pointless" when they aren't even pointless.

[nvrspk4]

I meant SPECIFIC ones. Like sMods and etc. i already know most cant infract
Back to topic : like sam said, WHY WAS THIS THREAD UP FOR THREE DAYS. WAITING FOR A EXPLANATION.

Get off the high horse, please. Maybe if you requested an explanation instead of demanded one you'd actually get some respect. Those who give respect to others recieve it back, as I'm sure you gathered during our PM conversation earlier :)


I agree, personally I would've done that, but on the other hand I might have been fired for it, so I can see why nothing was done. I personally think the mod guide needs re-writing and a few things changed/ammended to make our jobs easier. Another example being there's no infraction for pointless posting, which is actually the main offence I see. There's too much red tape in habbox, its a shame common sense doesn't prevail.

You wouldn't be fired for moving a thread :P But I agree with the red tape bit.


Ignore, Ignore... All you have to do is ignore :D

I know that was changed, but I have to make this comment: I can tell you used to be a Habbo X :P


I love that last phrase. PLEASE DON'T TRY AND READ THINGS THAT AREN'T THERE. memorise that as well as the alphabet

I love your overbearing sense of moral superiority to half the forum. While he memorizes the alphabet, please learn some manners and maturity :)




Regarding the issue at hand:

It was dealt with incorrectly. Super Moderators do have the power to move threads to a hidden forum where they can later be dealt with if its an issue such as this. They may also close the thread if its getting out of hand. The only thing they're not permitted to do is make physical edits or infractions. I'll explain why in a little bit.

However as to why this took three days, I have no answer for you, quite plainly its a muckup. There is a subforum where all Reports are posted and Super Moderators check through that daily and forward what reports they need to to me and I deal with them. Now I don't want to put it on the SMods as they normally do a great job but it seems that's where the muckup was this time. I never got a report forwarded until tonight.

As for why SMods aren't allowed to infract, there are two main reasons. First of all, a Forum Moderator isn't any higher up than a normal staff member. Even a Super Moderator is technically not as high up. Additionally, since all of them are colleagues, it has the potential to brew conflict between them. Furthermore, since some members of Moderation have positions in various departments, they may be warning someone on their level in another department, or they could even be put in the awkward position of having to deal with their manager. Also on top of that we need to keep close tabs on the staff rulebreaking. Staff do get verbal warnings via PM for bad conduct from time to time, in addition to use of the infraction system. When its half the moderation team taking care of it, its nearly impossible to keep track. For example, sometimes staff are given a "last warning" and then they would get away with another few offenses because the super moderator that dealt with it didn't know about the "Last Warning".


However there is procedure in place to allow Super Mods to move the thread to a hidden forum and if its very serious moderators may close the thread themselves.

[Kaine]

Get off the high horse, please.

He's not on a high horse. Leave him alone. He's raising a valid issue about the mods here and the way they do things.

You know, I'd crack an american joke about you right now, mainly because I'm Canadian and I've witnessed the stupidity of American's first hand, what with myself living in Niagara Falls Ontario, tourist central, but I don't want to get banned. ;)

[Catzsy]

You wouldn't be fired for moving a thread :P

You wouldn't? :$:$:$:$:$:$:$:D:P



As for why SMods aren't allowed to infract, there are two main reasons. First of all, a Forum Moderator isn't any higher up than a normal staff member. Even a Super Moderator is technically not as high up. Additionally, since all of them are colleagues, it has the potential to brew conflict between them. Furthermore, since some members of Moderation have positions in various departments, they may be warning someone on their level in another department, or they could even be put in the awkward position of having to deal with their manager. Also on top of that we need to keep close tabs on the staff rulebreaking. Staff do get verbal warnings via PM for bad conduct from time to time, in addition to use of the infraction system. When its half the moderation team taking care of it, its nearly impossible to keep track. For example, sometimes staff are given a "last warning" and then they would get away with another few offenses because the super moderator that dealt with it didn't know about the "Last Warning".


I can see where you are coming from here but once you get to Smod you are pretty experienced in moderating and I for one do think it is a job that should get more status and recognition. They are pretty much the backbone of the forum and have possibly one of the hardest jobs. They have to be made of 'teflon' anyway so a few moody staff is not likely to make a lot of difference and if the staff are told it is a new system then they have nothing to complain about. If it aint broke don't fix it but I do think it is broken. Nvr you rely on reports to you. There is nobody specifically moderating the forum looking for staff rule breaking. If Manager's have an issue they could address it to you and I only suggested staff on the level entry so for instance Head RVR reporters etc would still come to you. I can see about the final warning aspect but I am assuming user notes are kept. If they are not you have a very valid point.


If you feel that they shouldn't deal with it what I would suggest is that they have the power to edit the post and then a special Staff Editor's forum is made for them to put a copy of the post in to be further dealt with by yourself. I can see members getting very frustrated when they perceive that staff who break the rules are not being dealt with although it is not the case as long as it is reported. I used to put 'pm to staff editor' in the edit box below the post so at least the members could see something was being done.
This was also so other staff could see it had been reported and avoid duplication of work to you.

[MissAlice]

Regarding the issue at hand:

It was dealt with incorrectly. Super Moderators do have the power to move threads to a hidden forum where they can later be dealt with if its an issue such as this. They may also close the thread if its getting out of hand. The only thing they're not permitted to do is make physical edits or infractions. I'll explain why in a little bit.

However as to why this took three days, I have no answer for you, quite plainly its a muckup. There is a subforum where all Reports are posted and Super Moderators check through that daily and forward what reports they need to to me and I deal with them. Now I don't want to put it on the SMods as they normally do a great job but it seems that's where the muckup was this time. I never got a report forwarded until tonight.


However there is procedure in place to allow Super Mods to move the thread to a hidden forum and if its very serious moderators may close the thread themselves.

Thank you Letters ;) I did think it was highly unlikely that only one person could be responsible for taking the necessary action to move a thread, like the one in question. You have restored my faith in reporting.

[jrh2002]

I am glad to hear it was a mistake :) TY to elkaa and nvr for pointing this out. I do however think that HxF has outgrown habbox itself so think that it would work better if super mods could warn anybody below manager or assistant manager status and drop the staff editor a pm to inform them of the situation. Even if a thread is moved and the staff member has not been contacted they could continue breaking the rules until the staff editor has dealt with them. From having one rule break they are unaware of and get a heads up they could break that rule 4 or 5 times and end up being fired.

[Pix]

I love your overbearing sense of moral superiority to half the forum. While he memorizes the alphabet, please learn some manners and maturity :)

who doesnt. and if you meant smod cand give infractions i got one from a smod? :S
also, just realised that im not staff no more!!!! really hurts not to be im crying atm!!!
whats next BAN?

[today]

Dont get our hopes up mate.

But honestly why does nvr write bloody long replies :( Though he has said some very good points =D

[--ss--]

who doesnt. and if you meant smod cand give infractions i got one from a smod? :S
also, just realised that im not staff no more!!!! really hurts not to be im crying atm!!!
whats next BAN?

You are no longer staff and haven't been so for a while now (There was a permission mix up resulting in you seeming you were) So (S)mods are allowed to give you infractions now.

[Pix]

but i was infracted before i was removed as staff. so your still in the wrong.

[--ss--]

but i was infracted before i was removed as staff. so your still in the wrong.
Your previous infractions were given by the staff editor who is neither a mod or a Smod , he is an Admin/AGM and it is his job to infract staff.
The one I gave you was given to you after your permissions were removed.

[Pix]

wth? i wasnt talkin bout my admin infractions, i was talkin bout your ones
19-03-2008 You have received an infraction at Habbox UK Forum
05:37 PM --ss-- was when i was infracted but my permissions were removed
at 6:23. proves stuff wrong.

[today]

wth? i wasnt talkin bout my admin infractions, i was talkin bout your ones
19-03-2008 You have received an infraction at Habbox UK Forum
05:37 PM --ss-- was when i was infracted but my permissions were removed
at 6:23. proves stuff wrong.

You've just proved yourself wrong. Permissions removed = not staff = able to infract = SS is right.

[--ss--]

wth? i wasnt talkin bout my admin infractions, i was talkin bout your ones
19-03-2008 You have received an infraction at Habbox UK Forum
05:37 PM --ss-- was when i was infracted but my permissions were removed
at 6:23. proves stuff wrong.
Seeing as I got a pm from the staff editor telling me that your permissions have gone and giving me the all clear to give you an infraction and seeing as you no longer had a maroon name, I think you are incorrect.
Also how do you know the exact time your permissions were removed? :rolleyes:

[Pix]

because i was on DUH.

[today]

because i was on DUH.

As i said you even said yourself your permissions was removed and you got infracted so what the friggen hell are you trying to say!? Even if the Smod infracted while you was staff it would of been removed but its there as your NOT staff so honestly, stop trying to create more trash stories.


Seeing as I got a pm from the staff editor telling me that your permissions have gone and giving me the all clear to give you an infraction and seeing as you no longer had a maroon name, I think you are incorrect.
Also how do you know the exact time your permissions were removed? :rolleyes:
I lol'd.

[Pix]

Im talking truths here. Nvrspk hates me for sum reason and hes directing nearly all mods to send me infractions.

[jrh2002]

@ Pix

When you thought the thread was aimed at you i understand that you got angry because i would have been the same. your permissions were removed when i looked in the day but please calm down and dont get banned.

@ SS

Maybe not do this in public? you are spot on so no need to argue your point.

@ Hollywood

Why have you bothered getting involved? I would think Pix is quite young and your posts aimed at him are more harrassing or/and bullying than there to resolve the situation.

Thanks for turning another debate into an argument :)

Maybe I will get infracted for this post? I hope somebody takes a good look at it.

Thread closed and reported.

[jrh2002]

Thread opened due to ongoing issues.

I believe if the thread by Pix was dealt with quite quickly none of whats happened to him over the last few days would have gone on.

If super mods and above could deal with normal staff who seem to be breaking the rules then all of this would have been sorted long ago. Because staff were not dealt with they continued to attack him and of course it provoked his reaction.

I am no defending Pix actions and he also admits he was in the wrong but want justice and others to be dealt with the same way he has.

Complaint thread
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?p=4564115

leaving thread
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?p=4563229

Anybody coming here for a slanging match will be reported.

[today]

Thread opened due to ongoing issues.

I believe if the thread by Pix was dealt with quite quickly none of whats happened to him over the last few days would have gone on.

If super mods and above could deal with normal staff who seem to be breaking the rules then all of this would have been sorted long ago. Because staff were not dealt with they continued to attack him and of course it provoked his reaction.

I am no defending Pix actions and he also admits he was in the wrong but want justice and others to be dealt with the same way he has.

Complaint thread
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?p=4564115

leaving thread
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?p=4563229

Anybody coming here for a slanging match will be reported.

Staff are sorted with pretty quick, i speak from experince of course. ;) Though its been said and i highly doubt its going to be changed that anyone other then the Staff Editor can edit staff posts. Though i do think Moderators and Supers should be able to temp delete the post untill the staff editor has looked into it. Asthe post is still there but removed from the public untill its sorted.

[nvrspk4]

Thread opened due to ongoing issues.

I believe if the thread by Pix was dealt with quite quickly none of whats happened to him over the last few days would have gone on.

If super mods and above could deal with normal staff who seem to be breaking the rules then all of this would have been sorted long ago. Because staff were not dealt with they continued to attack him and of course it provoked his reaction.

I am no defending Pix actions and he also admits he was in the wrong but want justice and others to be dealt with the same way he has.

Complaint thread
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?p=4564115

leaving thread
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?p=4563229

Anybody coming here for a slanging match will be reported.

I don't really think the moderation of individual staff members is an issue that should be discussed on the public forums. While I don't think it would be right of me to close the thread, I do request that you close it yourself and perhaps make this post in complaints.

Unfortunately I won't be replying here in regards to those two threads, as I don't feel its fair to the staff members or normal members involved in those threads to be put on a "public trial" because I'm sure that it will come down to the discussion of specific posts and specific people.

[jrh2002]

I don't really think the moderation of individual staff members is an issue that should be discussed on the public forums. While I don't think it would be right of me to close the thread, I do request that you close it yourself and perhaps make this post in complaints.

Unfortunately I won't be replying here in regards to those two threads, as I don't feel its fair to the staff members or normal members involved in those threads to be put on a "public trial" because I'm sure that it will come down to the discussion of specific posts and specific people.

You already know its posted in the complaints forum :) has been for 2 or 3 days now and I await my response. Dealing with staff as quick as members is a priority in my opinion and from my complaints thread and links to certain posts speak for themselves.

Closed for good this time but you must realise why it was re opened.


Hollywood
Staff are sorted with pretty quick, i speak from experince of course. ;) Though its been said and i highly doubt its going to be changed that anyone other then the Staff Editor can edit staff posts. Though i do think Moderators and Supers should be able to temp delete the post untill the staff editor has looked into it. Asthe post is still there but removed from the public untill its sorted.


Well they dont deal with people bullying quickly enough like when you picked up an member of the forum when it was nothing at all to do with you. i remember when staff were expected to uphold habbox's good name but now a few of you are a total disgrace.