Forum filter

[Slowpoke]

It's being really strange recently. On a few occasions over the past few days I've found that it didn't filter really common swear words but then I would use the same word in another post and it would filter them correctly. I don't mean it's because it had a full stop/question mark etc, after it, it just happens randomly. I'll post, for the sake someone investigating, the words that I have (and have seen other people) having trouble with.

Edited by opensourcehost (Forum Administrator): Thread closed as the issue is now sorted and to prevent further avoidance of the filter in this thread.

[bo$$]

**** **** ***

pfft. filtered for me

[Neversoft]

Yeah thats what happened when I posted the s word assuming it would filter it and ended up getting an infraction that is aparrently fair. =/

[Slowpoke]

I don't recall saying it happened every time?


**** **** ***

pfft. filtered for me

[le harry]

surely the filter isn't going to just unfilter words randomnly.. :s

[GommeInc]

Indeed, sounds odd too and Neversoft, campaign against it. If the filter won't do its job then it isn't really your fault.

[Slowpoke]

[quote=harryisamazing;4565134]surely the filter isn't going to just unfilter words randomnly.. :s

well that's what it did. i typed earlier on and it didn't filter for some reason. Chris was infracted for typing although I tried it myself in a PM and it did filter.

[Neversoft]

surely the filter isn't going to just unfilter words randomnly.. :s


It like, unfilters some in the context they're used. Like if you say the s word as a question and add a question mark to the end of it, it won't be filtered.

[GommeInc]

It like, unfilters some in the context they're used. Like if you say the s word as a question and add a question mark to the end of it, it won't be filtered.
Oh yeah! That needs fixing. Somewhere down the line they've set it so only the word is filtered, not anything around it.

[Slowpoke]

It like, unfilters some in the context they're used. Like if you say the s word as a question and add a question mark to the end of it, it won't be filtered.

Not necessarily. After I saw you get infracted for typing it earlier I tried it in a PM to myself and it came up as "****?". It's dead weird.

[Neversoft]

Not necessarily. After I saw you get infracted for typing it earlier I tried it in a PM to myself and it came up as "****?". It's dead weird.

I just tried it in a PM to myself but it didn't filter the word.


Oh yeah! That needs fixing. Somewhere down the line they've set it so only the word is filtered, not anything around it.

Indeed. Yet I get a warning for it and moderators explaining that it's my fault.

[Slowpoke]

I don't get what it's doing... :S It should always filter the word even with something else before it/after it, surely?

[GommeInc]

I just tried it in a PM to myself but it didn't filter the word.



Indeed. Yet I get a warning for it and moderators explaining that it's my fault.
But it isn't your fault. The system is there to block words, it won't necessarily prevent you from using them. The word filter is used during the post process, everything you post goes through it so blaming you is avoiding taking the blame on themselves/filter.

[Neversoft]

But it isn't your fault. The system is there to block words, it won't necessarily prevent you from using them. The word filter is used during the post process, everything you post goes through it so blaming you is avoiding taking the blame on themselves/filter.

Thats what I tried telling them. I expected the forum the filter the word, when it should have, but it didn't. Oh it's now my fault for posting inappropriate language when the forum should have filtered it? :S It's not only the filter that needs revising...

[Slowpoke]

Thats what I tried telling them. I expected the forum the filter the word, when it should have, but it didn't. Oh it's now my fault for posting inappropriate language when the forum should have filtered it? :SIt's not only the filter that needs revising...

I agree; what's the point of having a filter if, when it fails to filter common swear words, you get in trouble/have to take the blame for it?

[jesus]

You shouldn't be using naughty language on here anyway.

A2. Don't swear - It really is as simple as it sounds.

[Neversoft]

You shouldn't be using naughty language on here anyway.

A2. Don't swear - It really is as simple as it sounds.

I never intended on using bad language. I assumed the forum would filter it, but before I know it I get an infraction. ;)

[Jamesy]

I agree; what's the point of having a filter if, when it fails to filter common swear words, you get in trouble/have to take the blame for it?

then don't swear here.

[Slowpoke]

No, sorry Jamie & Jamesy.


1) It is allowed to swear when the swearing is filtered.
Example: I was late for work / For **** sake I would like it if in the first example not just the **** part but the complete 7 letter word was filtered by our word censor, but unfortunately it doesn't work like that. These posts should not be edited.And with being one of the most common swear words, I would say that rule applies there. It wasn't Chris's fault; he was infracted within three minutes which was unfair since he didn't get a chance to edit it out. It was an obvious mistake.

[Jamesy]

No, sorry Jamie & Jamesy.

And with shit being one of the most common swear words, I would say that rule applies there. It wasn't Chris's fault; he was infracted within three minutes which was unfair since he didn't get a chance to edit it out. It was an obvious mistake.

he typed the word. hows that a mistake?

[Charly]

he typed the word. hows that a mistake?

thinking that it'd be filtered out if you read what he typed..

[Slowpoke]

he typed the word. hows that a mistake?

Fine, I'll repeat myself. With the S word being one of the most common swear words it should already be filtered. And the rule I quoted above means he can post that word freely (aslong as he's not trying to insult someone) because it should filter itself.

Fair enough, the filter didn't work. But the moderator in question should've given fifteen minutes (the post editing time) for Chris to realise this and edit it out himself. Instead, he infracted him straight away.

[jrh2002]

As far as I am concerned type some swearing and either

A) It will get filtered

B) its no longer in the filter so we are allowed to use that word as long as its not directed at anybody.

We currently have a number of words removed rightly or wrongly from the filter so how the hell do we know it should or should not be filtered? if the word shows without using strange symbols then its the fault of VB and whoever maintains HxF.

I also dont like how you just need to put a question mark or full stop on the end of a swearword and it shows :s the filter used to stop that how it was set up so somebody yet again has altered something for no reason for the worst. I would say 2 steps forward and 1 step back but in all honesty its 1 step forward and 3 steps back.

[jesus]

I never intended on using bad language. I assumed the forum would filter it, but before I know it I get an infraction. ;)If you didn't intend on using bad language then why didn't you just type 4 stars?

You obviously had some intent, even if you did think the forum would filter it.

[jrh2002]

If you didn't intend on using bad language then why didn't you just type 4 stars?

You obviously had some intent, even if you did think the forum would filter it.



Very true but when they decided to unfilter some words and not others how does he know which? Can the filter be published on a page somewhere so we can see whats allowed and not allowed? would it be kept updated? Some swearing is now allowed so surely we type it and the filter does its job if banned or lets it be seen if not?

There is such a grey area of whats added and not added to the filter and whats offensive to some and not to offensive to others.

LOL edited a little ;)

[e5]

It's because you're putting <b></b> (with []'s though) codes which separates the letters and shows the swear word.

[Slowpoke]

It's because you're putting <b></b> (with []'s though) codes which separates the letters and shows the swear word.

Neversoft didn't do that. I only did that in spoilers to show which words were 'breaking'.

[Catzsy]

If you didn't intend on using bad language then why didn't you just type 4 stars?

You obviously had some intent, even if you did think the forum would filter it.


Jamie, seriously have you thought about what you are saying here. The filter is for people not having to worry about that sort of thing. Why have it then?
We could all go around typing stars. :S Do you think Chris would intentionally
do this - I don't? I have just tested the filter with 2 swear words on my own forum and even if you put a question mark and fullstop after it it is still filtered and comes up as ****? or ****. There could be something something wrong with the Habbox filter set up and the infraction seems way unfair to me if that is the case. I just tested it in a pm to myself and it comes up infiltered. I can forward it if someone wants?

[jesus]

Jamie, seriously have you thought about what you are saying here. The filter is for people not having to worry about that sort of thing. Why have it then?
We could all go around typing stars. :S Do you think Chris would intentionally
do this - I don't? I have just tested the filter with 2 swear words on my own forum and even if you put a question mark and fullstop after it it is still filtered and comes up as ****? or ****. There could be something something wrong with the Habbox filter set up and the infraction seems way unfair to me if that is the case. I just tested it in a pm to myself and it comes up infiltered. I can forward it if someone wants?He keeps saying he didn't intend on swearing though, so rather than use what he did why not use the word 'crap'?

He must have intended on the word being used as HE TYPED IT.

We punish inappropriate language. Whether it was filtered or not, he typed it. It makes sense, why doesn't anyone realise this?

[bo$$]

I don't recall saying it happened every time?

I don't recall saying that you did say that? Jesus christ.

[Catzsy]

He keeps saying he didn't intend on swearing though, so rather than use what he did why not use the word 'crap'?

He must have intended on the word being used as HE TYPED IT.

We punish inappropriate language. Whether it was filtered or not, he typed it. It makes sense, why doesn't anyone realise this?


Hey, what you say is extremely unreasonable. If the forum filter has failed it has failed and I have proved it has failed - I will forward pm if you want me too.

People are allowed to type in words that are filtered - they have been since day 1 of the forum. In fact you used to do it all the time! Chris has been penalised for something that is the fault of a glitch in the VB Bulletin. Check the word out for yourself. Apart from that , Jamie I do not think it is up to you to re-write the forum rules. That's up to Elkaa, ---Mad--- and Sierk, surely? He did not intentionally avoid the filter and therefore it cannot be considered inappropriate either so he should most definitely if there is any fairness on the forum not have an infraction. Don't you realise that?

[Kardan]

He keeps saying he didn't intend on swearing though, so rather than use what he did why not use the word 'crap'?

He must have intended on the word being used as HE TYPED IT.

We punish inappropriate language. Whether it was filtered or not, he typed it. It makes sense, why doesn't anyone realise this?


That's really stupid.

It's like you go through a traffic light - it's on green even though you know it should be on red...

You go through, get your car smashed up and get told:

"Even though it shouldn't have been on green - you still went through. Your fault."

The infraction should be reversed, why should we be punished when something of yours breaks?

[jesus]

Hey, what you say is extremely unreasonable. If the forum filter has failed it has failed and I have proved it has failed - I will forward pm if you want me too.

People are allowed to type in words that are filtered - they have been since day 1 of the forum. In fact you used to do it all the time! Chris has been penalised for something that is the fault of a glitch in the VB Bulletin. Check the word out for yourself. Apart from that , Jamie I do not think it is up to you to re-write the forum rules. That's up to Elkaa, ---Mad--- and Sierk, surely? He did not intentionally avoid the filter and therefore it cannot be considered inappropriate either so he should most definitely if there is any fairness on the forum not have an infraction. Don't you realise that?LOL I'm not rewriting rules, I'm saying that inappropriate language doesn't go unpunished. Nothing about the filter. He still typed the word.


Swearing is disallowed on the forum anyway, so the word shouldn't have been typed in the first place regardless of whether the user thought it would be filtered or not.

If you still don't understand what I'm saying after this post then I'm not continuing to attempt to argue my point as you all seem to be ignoring it.

[Catzsy]

LOL I'm not rewriting rules, I'm saying that inappropriate language doesn't go unpunished. Nothing about the filter. He still typed the word.


Swearing is disallowed on the forum anyway, so the word shouldn't have been typed in the first place regardless of whether the user thought it would be filtered or not.

If you still don't understand what I'm saying after this post then I'm not continuing to attempt to argue my point as you all seem to be ignoring it.



Jamie, you are completely wrong about this - where is the common sense applied here? The filter is not working on this word when there is a ? it is when there is a . It was filtered until recently but there appears to be a glitch. I have reported it in the technical section. You could at least refer it to Elkaa or ---MAD--- to look at which would be the fair way. It's not that we are ignoring it it's that you don't seem to grasp what we are saying. Thanks :)

[jesus]

It's not that we are ignoring it it's that you don't seem to grasp what we are saying. Thanks :)I did, you just didn't understand where I was coming from for some reason. It's been sorted now anyway.

[Catzsy]

I did, you just didn't understand where I was coming from for some reason. It's been sorted now anyway.

I understood what you said and in normal circumstances I would agree with you but that is when it is intentionally inappropriate - this was not and was a glitch in the filter. So has Chris's infraction been reversed?

[jesus]

We both know I'm not allowed to disclose things like that.

[Catzsy]

We both know I'm not allowed to disclose things like that.

Well I hope so.:)

[Elkaa]

From what I understand, this only happened on one day due to a few issues. I assume that nobody has had this problem since yesterday?

[GommeInc]

Has NeverSoft's infraction been removed? If people were meant to type alternative words like crap, then there would be no point in a filter. A simple PM or edit would do. If he put size=2 in areas, then infract him for purposely avoiding the filter. But if it was genuinely typed out, it isn't necessarily his fault because the filter is meant to take control and remove it.

[Unpredictible.1]

Yeah thats what happened when I posted the s word assuming it would filter it and ended up getting an infraction that is aparrently fair. =/

that happen to me the other day
then i got banned for it.
:@

[Catzsy]

From what I understand, this only happened on one day due to a few issues. I assume that nobody has had this problem since yesterday?

I tested it twice today once in a pm and in a thread in the tech problem forum and its still the same i.e. not working. :)

[360]

i don't think people should be infracted if the server hasn't filtered it

Unless they obviously mean to avoid the filter like posting a character from character map instead of a vowel

[Neversoft]

Jamie, seriously have you thought about what you are saying here. The filter is for people not having to worry about that sort of thing. Why have it then?
We could all go around typing stars. :S Do you think Chris would intentionally
do this - I don't? I have just tested the filter with 2 swear words on my own forum and even if you put a question mark and fullstop after it it is still filtered and comes up as ****? or ****. There could be something something wrong with the Habbox filter set up and the infraction seems way unfair to me if that is the case. I just tested it in a pm to myself and it comes up infiltered. I can forward it if someone wants?


Hey, what you say is extremely unreasonable. If the forum filter has failed it has failed and I have proved it has failed - I will forward pm if you want me too.

People are allowed to type in words that are filtered - they have been since day 1 of the forum. In fact you used to do it all the time! Chris has been penalised for something that is the fault of a glitch in the VB Bulletin. Check the word out for yourself. Apart from that , Jamie I do not think it is up to you to re-write the forum rules. That's up to Elkaa, ---Mad--- and Sierk, surely? He did not intentionally avoid the filter and therefore it cannot be considered inappropriate either so he should most definitely if there is any fairness on the forum not have an infraction. Don't you realise that?

Thank you Rosie!
I PMed Elkaa and he removed it.
I don't get why Jamie can't understand whats going on here.


He keeps saying he didn't intend on swearing though, so rather than use what he did why not use the word 'crap'?

He must have intended on the word being used as HE TYPED IT.

We punish inappropriate language. Whether it was filtered or not, he typed it. It makes sense, why doesn't anyone realise this?


How can you not understand? =/ I DID NOT MEAN TO SWEAR.
I didn't say crap because why should I have to if the forum SHOULD have filtered the s word?
I never intended on using the actual word, I assumed it would come up as '****'. How many times do you want me to tell you this?

The filter didn't work. How was that my fault? Seriously, you're not thinking at all.


Has NeverSoft's infraction been removed? If people were meant to type alternative words like crap, then there would be no point in a filter. A simple PM or edit would do. If he put size=2 in areas, then infract him for purposely avoiding the filter. But if it was genuinely typed out, it isn't necessarily his fault because the filter is meant to take control and remove it.

Yeah, it got removed. I hadn't altered the word, I just typed it normally but it didn't filter it.

[Catzsy]

[QUOTE=Neversoft;4568300]Thank you Rosie!
I PMed Elkaa and he removed it.
I don't get why Jamie can't understand whats going on here.

*Screams and pulls hair out*:eusa_wall I wish I knew it doesn't seem like rocket science to me :D :P Oh Well alls well that finally ends well, anyway and good for Elkaa.:eusa_danc

[The Professor]

I really can't see why the discussion went in this direction. The point being raised was that there was a fault in the forum filter, causing an infraction for avoiding the filter (which it isnt because he didn't do anything to avoid it). Surely the response should be "Ok, I'll look into the bug, infraction reversed, corry for the inconvenience", I don't quite understand where the discussion came from.

Anyway, glad its being sorted :)

[---MAD---]

I think I have sorted it now. Let me know if there are any other problems :). Using formatting to avoid the filter is an infractionable offense.

[Unpredictible.1]

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