Is it against the rules to break the law?

[Galaxay]

According to a moderator its not..?


Davetaylor and anyone else interested, it is NOT against the rules to post cracks or patches.

So yeh, is it against the rules to break the law, or doesnt it matter?

[Moh]

The moderators would have to do alot of work if they had to do something about it. I think they just let us do what we like, but were responsible for it, not them.

[--ss--]

You are allowed to ask/give keygens/cracks for programs.

[Galaxay]

So we're not allowed to swear etc, but allowed to break the law? :rolleyes:

[Catzsy]

Totally agree with you Scott. It seriously does not make any sense at all and all illegal activity/breach of copyright used to be banned. Any of these now allowed could get the site shut down especially serial codes, torrents, keygens. As far as music torrents go companies can get the ip/server banned. Aiding and abetting copyright piracy is pretty bad I think which is the way it would be seen regardless of a disclaimer in the t&cs.

[Mr.OSH]

According to a moderator its not..?



So yeh, is it against the rules to break the law, or doesnt it matter?

You will not be punished for this as it is not the forums job to enforce the law in this sense. Of course if the copyright material was being hosted on the server then it would be a concern for Habbox however posting links or discussing things like cracks, keygens etc is not breaking the forum rules. As long as sites posted are not inappropriate or break the forum rules this is not a rule breaking offense as far as I am aware. :) If it was becoming a real problem or there was a request from a company to remove the links due to breach of copyright then I can imagine Habbox would comply to this but as the keygens, cracks etc are not hosted on a Habbox server that means the offending site would be the 3rd party site who is hosting the material and or downloads and not Habbox.

[Moh]

You are allowed to ask/give keygens/cracks for programs.
Can you give me a crack?

Sounds wrong xD

Swearing is filtered automaticly, but its hard for a moderator to remove every illegal content posted.

[Galaxay]

So i can post any copyright materials, its not habboxs problem, so why do they enforce the rule in the gfx department to remove any copyright material and infract them?

[Danny$]

So i can post any copyright materials, its not habboxs problem, so why do they enforce the rule in the gfx department to remove any copyright material and infract them?
I don't think you could say start posting lots of links to cracked programmes and such but asking for the odd keygen/serial is alright.

[Galaxay]

That guy posted about 6-7 keygens in a single post in tech section, thats where h0bj0b said its not against the rules..

[Danny$]

I dunno then, Habbox's rules work in very weird ways. :)

[DaveTaylor]

Lol, Scotteh thank you, appreciated greatly :)

[--ss--]

So i can post any copyright materials, its not habboxs problem, so why do they enforce the rule in the gfx department to remove any copyright material and infract them?
We have never infracted anyone for ripping...
We remove ripped alterations/layouts/images as they cause arguments between people , As for serial codes and cracks/patches it was actually several users who wanted to do be able to post them (Which was a majority).

[Galaxay]

Yes you have, it used to be part of the mod guide thing to anyone thats ripping that we remove the image and put Edited by whoever: please dont take other members images and use without permission, or something along those lines and we'd add an infraction.

Also couldnt we report and get habbox shut down for breaking the law to an extent?

[StefanCampbell]

Lol, Scotteh thank you, appreciated greatly :)

Can't fight your own battles.

as many people have pointed out, it is not against forum rules.

[DaveTaylor]

Can't fight your own battles.

as many people have pointed out, it is not against forum rules.

F'LOL'd! I didn't ask him to he's just got common sense unlike you, also read my reply to "I ain't 16 I am only 15", I posted my bank account, I think I won?

As stefan is ******ed the bit in " marks are what he claimed

[StefanCampbell]

You said on the thread in technology section that you were nearly 17:rolleyes:

[DaveTaylor]

3 months and 5 days actually... til I am 17

[StefanCampbell]

You just said up there you were 15 :rolleyes:


It's amazing I go for some food and I come back to find that I was right it is againist the rules.. huh what a surprise

edit: stefan I am 16 nearly 17, I work in the co-op so learn to read the age



F'LOL'd! I didn't ask him to he's just got common sense unlike you, also read my reply to "I ain't 16 I am only 15", I posted my bank account, I think I won?

owned?

oh yeh btw, nice edit, lmao, nub.

[Galaxay]

"read my reply to "I ain't 16 I am only 15"

That means the reply to YOU saying YOUR no 16 and YOUR only 15, not him.

[StefanCampbell]

i didn't even say that if you ****** read what were on bout.

[Galaxay]

You said you cant get a job cause your 15, or you can only get a paperround or something along those lines. :rolleyes:

[beka]

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[StefanCampbell]

yes but i didn't even say


"I ain't 16 I am only 15"

soo.. REMOVED you lot going on about :rolleyes:

@Above; scotteh got told :rolleyes:

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[Galaxay]

I'm sure we dont remember the exact post off by heart. So obviously it's going to be a bit different, but what your pretty much saying is

"I crack programs because i cant afford it, i cant afford it because im 15 and i cant get a decent job"

[beka]

i dont really see the point in lieing about your age mr scotteh !

1) liers arent liked AT ALL EVERRR !!

2) to be a good lier you have to be good at remembering you see so you dont get caught out n look like a ***** .

3) quit why yur ahed

4) nice giving you advice

[Galaxay]

Not really getting told lol.

I never lied about my age, i'm 16, and i've not once said my age. ;)

[StefanCampbell]

I'm sure we dont remember the exact post off by heart. So obviously it's going to be a bit different, but what your pretty much saying is

"I crack programs because i cant afford it, i cant afford it because im 15 and i cant get a decent job"

So by saying that your including 1/4 of all computer users who used cracked products, i'm sure if we all had the money we would pay for them but the fact is money doesn't grow on trees.

If we could all afford products for our p.c(which we shouldn't have to pay for anyway in my opinion), then i'm sure we would all buy them.

And don't tell me you or anyone else in this thread uses cracked products.

[DaveTaylor]

I am 16, ******* hell are you really that stupid?

[Galaxay]

If we dont pay for our products, how will the company survive, how will the company grow, how will the company produce more software?

Simply, it wont if it doesnt gain the revenue of the computer users.

I've never used a cracked product, i mean never, even mIRC i payed for.

[Cixso]

ROFL.

Habbox can get closed down right now if somebody provides proof of the posts, and if this server is located in a "21st" century law standards...

hahahahaha good bye Habbox.

No seriously, they can state in there terms and conditions we take responsibility for our own actions, end of the day, who is allowing us to do that? Hmmm..... I wonder.

Yo judge,
yo M@d,
so you allowed peeps to advertise cracks and shizzle
ya but dey take reponabilety id der own acti0ns m8
where is the server located?
USA
*kicks **** prisen u go m8

Owning a warez forum my self with over 1,000 of warez, I have a fair bit of knowledge in the aria. :)

Oh dear oh dear.

[StefanCampbell]

I am 16, ******* hell are you really that stupid?


oh it's you again. The person who never uses cracked products on his p.c cause he's so rich and snobboy? :rolleyes:

[Cixso]

Sulake will have this forum by it's neck when they find out.

[DaveTaylor]

oh it's you again. The person who never uses cracked products on his p.c cause he's so rich and snobboy? :rolleyes:

I F'lol'd again at the fact is you think I am snobby you used that in our last arguement, next **** please..

[StefanCampbell]

If we dont pay for our products, how will the company survive, how will the company grow, how will the company produce more software?

Simply, it wont if it doesnt gain the revenue of the computer users.

I've never used a cracked product, i mean never, even mIRC i payed for.


who really gives a ****, did i even use the words 'NO1 PAYS FOR P.C PRODUCTS?' no i did not, so get your facts right

Also

@Sarith;

i highly dout that, if so i don't think TPB would be online right now if the law had anything to do with it? i think they have more to worry about then a little ****** habbo fansite advertising a few cracks and patches.

And Dave im sure i share the opinion of numerous users on this thread that your a snob. :)

[Galaxay]

If we could all afford products for our p.c(which we shouldn't have to pay for anyway in my opinion),

Is what you said, hinting that we shouldnt have to pay for software.

[Cixso]

i highly dout that, if so i don't think TPB would be online right now if the law had anything to do with it? i think they have more to worry about then a little ****** habbo fansite advertising a few cracks and patches.

How thoughtful of habbox. They inforce rules so we can obey, but they don't obey the law.

I bet there's at least 100+ on this forum cracks, links etc.

[DaveTaylor]

First of all TPB is LEGAL! yes legal as it doesnt host any of the files, torrents are basically honested by the users, also its hosted in sweden which isnt a 21st century law

[StefanCampbell]

Buying the PC alone costs enough money without having to buy a program which if you could get for free is rather stupid? :).

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[Galaxay]

That by far the most stupid statement i've heard in a long time.

[DaveTaylor]

Buying the PC alone costs enough money without having to buy a program which if you could get for free is rather stupid? :).



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**** :/ hxf is hosted in the UK or USA which means posting links to cracks etc is illegal :/

[jesus]

You can just find them on Google anyway. There's no harm in them being here.

[StefanCampbell]

@ABOVE; THANK GOD SOMEONE ACTUALLY USES COMMON SENCE ..

[Hitman]

Insulting each other wont do anything, so just keep it to a nice discussion. ;)

I find no harm in the thread linking to crack and keygen downloads - however I closed the thread due to offtopic posts (arguing about age and banks or something) and there were arguments such as this which was debating if it's alright to post keygens etc.

[StefanCampbell]

more people within common sence!! :rolleyes:

[Cixso]

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Neither did TV links.

[--ss--]

Sue google then , They allow feeds from sites advertising cracks/illegal content to be shown when they can easily be blocked/filtered from the results but they decide not to get involved with what people do just like HxF , it's not like we have a section for it.
Also why would they care about a small minor forum when there are massive sites who dedicate them self to warez :rolleyes:.

[Cixso]

Sue google then , They allow feeds from sites advertising cracks/illegal content to be shown when they can easily be blocked/filtered from the results but they decide not to get involved with what people do just like HxF , it's not like we have a section for it.
Also why would they care about a small minor forum when there are massive sites who dedicate them self to warez :rolleyes:.

Oh for god sake, use a bit of general knowledge and think what google is compared to a community forum, site that is actually letting them happen.

Seriously, this argument went on in 100's of forums world wide when TV links got closed down.

This forum will get closed if they get cought, the datacenter will without any hesitation close this server off and report the account holdsa details to the police.

You really think the DC are willing to risk there own million pound business for a habbo hotel fansite?

[Mr.OSH]

Yes you have, it used to be part of the mod guide thing to anyone thats ripping that we remove the image and put Edited by whoever: please dont take other members images and use without permission, or something along those lines and we'd add an infraction.

Also couldnt we report and get habbox shut down for breaking the law to an extent?

The rules since changed. We no longer infraction members for accusing/naming each other of ripping unless it is in a rude or abusive way.

As I've said the files are not on Habbox's server therefore it is unlikely it would cause a problem. If indeed it did cause any problem I'm sure Habbox would happily remove the content linking to keygens, serials etc but really the people who are likely to get in trouble are those who host the files rather than sites linking to them, it is unlikely that Habbox would get in trouble simply for linking to the content and I expect if the data center had a problem with it or it was necessary to remove such links it could be resolved without any hassle. :)

[e5]

It depends I guess. Strict laws would probably stand.

[Cixso]

As I've said the files are not on Habbox's server therefore it is unlikely it would cause a problem. If indeed it did cause any problem I'm sure Habbox would happily remove the content linking to keygens, serials etc but really the people who are likely to get in trouble are those who host the files rather than sites linking to them. :)

Wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong Jayimbo!!!!

They are providing ACTIVE links, and encourging in breaking the law.

Hence TV links

[Mr.OSH]

Wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong Jayimbo!!!!

They are providing ACTIVE links, and encourging in breaking the law.

Hence TV links

As I've said it is a community site, if the data center had a problem with members linking each other to illegal content them I'm sure they would have said and Habbox would have avoided allowing members to do this. Additionally there are many thousands if not millions of other sites that will contain some form of link to copyrighted material either on purpose or by accident and unless the linking of illegal cracks/keygens became so large that the site had to stamp down on it I don't see it causing any problem. Members are posting freely and it is hard for Habbox to ensure 100% of copyrighted material links are removed and I doubt someone would take direct legal action against Habbox for this. I expect something like this if it began to cause a problem could be sorted out without legal action and additionally it doesn't appear to have caused a problem so far anyway and if it had or will I would have expected the rules to have indicated that doing this is in breach of them. :) There are too many sites hosting this material as it is that have not be taken action against, really action is only taken against the big ones and they aim to clamp down on sites hosting the content rather than linking and I'm sure as I've said that any content that the site was told it needed to removed could be removed easily. I've hosted sites before and had the data center request the removal of illegal content on sites rather than direct legal action which was always done swiftly when requested so really I don't see that causing a huge problem for Habbox either.

[Galaxay]

Jay what your saying is, if datacenter has a problem with habbox taking part in illegal stuff, they'd contact you and ask you to remove it, instead of reporting it to the police or whatever?

Thats like

"Oh hi your a 12 year old with 5kg of hash in your pocket, let me see it and you can be on your way, you may have broke the law but you removed the thing on your breaking the law so ur alright now"

[Mr.OSH]

Jay what your saying is, if datacenter has a problem with habbox taking part in illegal stuff, they'd contact you and ask you to remove it, instead of reporting it to the police or whatever?

Thats like

"Oh hi your a 12 year old with 5kg of hash in your pocket, let me see it and you can be on your way, you may have broke the law but you removed the thing on your breaking the law so ur alright now"

No I'm saying if members are posting links to illegal stuff then the datacenter would warn Habbox it is important that it is removed.

Habbox isn't "taking part" in illegal activities however members are linking to illegal content and not Habbox itself. The forum would probably be asked to remove the posts made by members rather than the site being taken offline. If the illegal content was on the main page of www.habbox.com (http://www.habbox.com) for example then yes this would be risky for Habbox however members posting content in this way is hard to filter and isn't really Habbox's job. If something like that became a problem then it would probably just be requested to be removed and the member to be banned but again that is unlikely. I've seen friends who have ran hosting companies and have helped them before and really if a members account has illegal content on it 9/10 the data center would send a simple email warning the host that it needs to remove the content. Legal action is normally only taken in the event that the person who owns the site refuses to remove the illegal content. It would be in the best interest for all parties to sort such and issue outside of court if it even got to that stage but as I've said there are many thousands of sites across the internet hosting much more illegal content whereas a few threads on Habbox link to some content? I think I know where the priority is for stopping people breaking copyright laws and I also think that if this was a problem the general management would have put a rule in place already so really it doesn't appear to be causing an issue?

This is just my opinion on the matter of course, I may be wrong but this is what I think anyway.

[Galaxay]

Habbox is allowing the members to, so to an extent it is taking part, otherwise you'd tell us not to, then it wouldnt be as much of your problem as you've got something in place to prevent us from doing it, however there isnt and frankly you couldnt care less if we posted it.

[Mr.OSH]

Habbox is allowing the members to, so to an extent it is taking part, otherwise you'd tell us not to, then it wouldnt be as much of your problem as you've got something in place to prevent us from doing it, however there isnt and frankly you couldnt care less if we posted it.

Well it really is partly the members problem for posting it as they are breaking the law and also I don't expect any action would be taken against the site anyway and at the most the site would just be requested to remove the content that links to the illegal site. Really the sites that are breaking the law are the ones that are targeted to be shut down and they shouldn't be there to link to in the first place really. Habbox isn't really doing anything wrong and if it was I'm sure the site management would have or will be informed and appropraite changes would be made but until then I doubt it will be made against the rules to post this sort of content. Really at the end of the day it is a management decision on if this is or isn't against the rules and I'm sure that if there is a problem or a problem develops the management would ban posting of this sort of content. Again this is my opinion and I may be wrong, it is just how I feel about the matter. :)

[StefanCampbell]

Habbox is allowing the members to, so to an extent it is taking part, otherwise you'd tell us not to, then it wouldnt be as much of your problem as you've got something in place to prevent us from doing it, however there isnt and frankly you couldnt care less if we posted it.


You, and this thread have been owned. :).

What ever way you look at it theres goods and bads, but it IS allowed, which was the arguement in the first place, guess you lost. :)

[Cixso]

We'll report Habbox Forum to the datacenter and let them sort it out then shall we.

Sulake will also be given a link to this thread. Should be interesting as well as authorities to this thread.

Habbox are allowing there members to break the law, which states you are not allowed to post links to warez, pirate software's or what ever you want to call it. End of the day, these links are stored on habbox, stored in the database.

Obviously there are a hell of a lot of what you can and can't do regarding the matter, but to put it simple;

Habbox are breaking the law.

[DaveTaylor]

---MAD--- says this is Sierks final word and it should be allowed,I have PM'd Sierk with links to his host etc with proof they disallow it, lets see what he says...

[Cixso]

---MAD--- says this is Sierks final word and it should be allowed,I have PM'd Sierk with links to his host etc with proof they disallow it, lets see what he says...

I've sent an email to Sulake, trying to trace down the datacenter.

It really is pathetic that MAD or who ever is in charge are allowing warez on a teenage community forum built for Habbo.

[Kardan]

The forum needs to sort out priorities.

I'd get infractioned for calling someone a ***** but I can go around posting illegal downloads :)

[Cixso]

The forum needs to sort out priorities.

I'd get infractioned for calling someone a ***** but I can go around posting illegal downloads :)

It's ran by bad management.

[DaveTaylor]

I've sent an email to Sulake, trying to trace down the datacenter.

It really is pathetic that MAD or who ever is in charge are allowing warez on a teenage community forum built for Habbo.

The datacenter was simple to find, locate the IP of this site or use dnscoop.com and find the hoster via the NS

[Catzsy]

As I've said it is a community site, if the data center had a problem with members linking each other to illegal content them I'm sure they would have said and Habbox would have avoided allowing members to do this. Additionally there are many thousands if not millions of other sites that will contain some form of link to copyrighted material either on purpose or by accident and unless the linking of illegal cracks/keygens became so large that the site had to stamp down on it I don't see it causing any problem. Members are posting freely and it is hard for Habbox to ensure 100% of copyrighted material links are removed and I doubt someone would take direct legal action against Habbox for this. I expect something like this if it began to cause a problem could be sorted out without legal action and additionally it doesn't appear to have caused a problem so far anyway and if it had or will I would have expected the rules to have indicated that doing this is in breach of them. :) There are too many sites hosting this material as it is that have not be taken action against, really action is only taken against the big ones and they aim to clamp down on sites hosting the content rather than linking and I'm sure as I've said that any content that the site was told it needed to removed could be removed easily. I've hosted sites before and had the data center request the removal of illegal content on sites rather than direct legal action which was always done swiftly when requested so really I don't see that causing a huge problem for Habbox either.


Its not hard Jay - I used to do it all the time :)

[carrick]

i hope habboxforum gets closed down

[Mr.OSH]

Its not hard Jay - I used to do it all the time :)

It doesn't ensure it will always be 100% filtered though. It is at the end of the day a general management decision and really it isn't easy to ensure there is absolutely no links to illegal content on the site as obviously posts will be missed etc or some links may not be labeled as illegal content but they are and not every link posted on the forum is checked so I can't imagine the forum could ever be 100% clean of it. Anyway it isn't my decision but I don't expect that it is something that would get the site in big trouble as it is partly the member in questions problem for posting it and the site which is hosting it also. Additionally there isn't even lots of illegal content on the site anyway - it isn't like the sole purpose of the site is to share illegal content, it just isn't directly against the forum rules.

[Catzsy]

It doesn't ensure it will always be 100% filtered though. It is at the end of the day a general management decision and really it isn't easy to ensure there is absolutely no links to illegal content on the site as obviously posts will be missed etc or some links may not be labeled as illegal content but they are and not every link posted on the forum is checked so I can't imagine the forum could ever be 100% clean of it. Anyway it isn't my decision but I don't expect that it is something that would get the site in big trouble as it is partly the member in questions problem for posting it and the site which is hosting it also. Additionally there isn't even lots of illegal content on the site anyway - it isn't like the sole purpose of the site is to share illegal content, it just isn't directly against the forum rules.

Agreed it it would be impossible to do it 100% that's why it's in the T&Cs but
I just feel that the forum doesn't look good allowing this particuarly as it didn't for years and it does risk action or shut down I believe.

[StefanCampbell]

You lot are taking 4 links posted WAY to serious.. lmao irl, when theres warez and torrent search engines posting links to hundreds of thousands of links, your pathetic.

Like the authorities are going to be bothered about a little nooby habbo fansite posting a few links to a few illegal downloads which no-one downloaded.

[Mr.OSH]

Agreed it it would be impossible to do it 100% that's why it's in the T&Cs but
I just feel that the forum doesn't look good allowing this particuarly as it didn't for years and it does risk action or shut down I believe.

Well really at the end of the day that is a management decision. I don't think that the forum would be shut down straight off because of a breach of copyright however it probably is a safer option just to stop members from posting it - I agree. Despite this I'm sure there is nothing to worry about as if the data center have an issue with the content posted on the forum they will or would have contact(ed) sierk and I'm sure he'd be able to sort it out. :) It is a decision for sierk and the general management to make at the end of the day really.

[Catzsy]

You lot are taking 4 links posted WAY to serious.. lmao irl, when theres warez and torrent search engines posting links to hundreds of thousands of links, your pathetic.

Like the authorities are going to be bothered about a little nooby habbo fansite posting a few links to a few illegal downloads which no-one downloaded.

I think you will find they take it very seriously indeed.

[GommeInc]

I am very certain if anyone is caught on Habbox posting keygens, cracks or any copyrighted/illegal documents and codes, Habbox will take the blame because they are hosting and endorsing it.

[Mr.OSH]

I find it concerning that some members seem as if they would like to see Habbox being shut down? I don't see why anyone who uses the forum would want this. Anyway I'm sure that sierk and the management will sort this out if it becomes a problem, I don't see serious action being taken unless the site was to ignore warnings regarding the content though. I suppose it is just my opinion anyway. :)


I am very certain if anyone is caught on Habbox posting keygens, cracks or any copyrighted/illegal documents and codes, Habbox will take the blame because they are hosting and endorsing it.

No copyrighted material is hosted on the server directly. You can be sure of that.

[Galaxay]

i don't want hxf to be shut up, but i want the rules to be sensible, cause its pretty stupid if you can break the law, but you cant swear? Rules like that are stupid.

[GommeInc]

I find it concerning that some members seem as if they would like to see Habbox being shut down? I don't see why anyone who uses the forum would want this. Anyway I'm sure that sierk and the management will sort this out if it becomes a problem, I don't see serious action being taken unless the site was to ignore warnings regarding the content though. I suppose it is just my opinion anyway. :)



No copyrighted material is hosted on the server directly. You can be sure of that.
It's in the database, but the endorsing bit is just as bad.

[Catzsy]

Well really at the end of the day that is a management decision. I don't think that the forum would be shut down straight off because of a breach of copyright however it probably is a safer option just to stop members from posting it - I agree. Despite this I'm sure there is nothing to worry about as if the data center have an issue with the content posted on the forum they will or would have contact(ed) sierk and I'm sure he'd be able to sort it out. :) It is a decision for sierk and the general management to make at the end of the day really.

I was and it took me 3 weeks to get back up when I proved it was a mistake that's why I am saying this. It is not easy to get your site/forum back.

[Mr.OSH]

i don't want hxf to be shut up, but i want the rules to be sensible, cause its pretty stupid if you can break the law, but you cant swear? Rules like that are stupid.

:) Fair enough but it is a management decision at the end of the day, not mine or yours.


It's in the database, but the endorsing bit is just as bad.

Well there is no endorsing as it isn't encouraged at all and also the actual copyrighted content is not hosted anywhere on the forum or in the database. Anything that was copyright would be externally hyper linked from the forum. The person hosting the copyrighted/illegal material is certainly breaking the law however Habbox is neither encouraging it or hosting it.

I can see what you mean but again I'm sure if there was a problem sierk would have taken action or if there is, I'm sure he will. :)


I was and it took me 3 weeks to get back up when I proved it was a mistake that's why I am saying this. It is not easy to get your site/forum back.

I'm sure that back ups are kept and that if the forum had to remove the content and move to another data center it would and it could be done without large amounts of hassle. As long as the site has its content stored somewhere offline and has the fund to move I wouldn't think the site would have a problem however I doubt it would ever get to that stage anyway as the issue would probably be able to be removed without shutting the site down if there was an issue to start with.

[DaveTaylor]

It's in the database, but the endorsing bit is just as bad.

haha, GommeInc thats a good point...

[GommeInc]

Directly linking is still bad as far as some companies see it and you're not exactly discouraging it.

[Mr.OSH]

Directly linking is still bad as far as some companies see it and you're not exactly discouraging it.

Well there isn't large amounts of it on the forum as far as I can see and it could be removed easily enough if that is what was required however monitoring it couldn't be 100% accurate. Also if it was a risk to the forum I'm sure that the management would ensure there was no direct linking to the forum itself. Again this is a management decision and I'm sure if there is a problem this could be resolved. :)

[Callum.]

You're really, really silly. You're trying to get something removed which is pointless. Keygens and cracks HELP people do what they need to do, and your example of swearing - what use is that?

Stop trying to argue something that doesn't need to be.

[The Professor]

Personally I'm inclined to side with Jay. I haven't read through the essays that people have posted, so if I repeat anything I apologise.

Habbox also "endorses breaking the law" by allowing WoW and runescape items/currency to be exchanged to real life money. It also allowed people to trade credits for rares, which habbo didn't like. It allows talking about illegal drugs, and some of the details involved in that such as how/where to get them. It steals copyrighted images from habbo.

What you have to remember is habbox is not the police. It is not habbox's job to enforce the law. The reason this forum exists is to give a group of kids a place to talk about things. In real life, kids talk about drugs and underage sex and illegal things all the time, telling each other links to websites and how they're going to do their next bit of weed. If kids are caught with weed or illegal copies of operating systems, the police are not going to go to the school and arrest them for endorsing discussion of illegal activity.

Obviously, this is a bit out of context, but the theory applies to the forum. Habbox already takes itself far too seriously as a forum, with ridiculous amounts of red tape and a complicated heirachy amongst other things. Trying to act as the police as well as forum management would only be adding to the problem.

EDIT: As for the rule about swearing overruling illegal activity, the swearing rule is in place to keep the forum pleasant, not to keep people from being arrested for swearing. That's like asking why there's a law against fraud when there's already a law against murder.

[Andys]

Why do you care?

[Catzsy]

:) Fair enough but it is a management decision at the end of the day, not mine or yours.



Well there is no endorsing as it isn't encouraged at all and also the actual copyrighted content is not hosted anywhere on the forum or in the database. Anything that was copyright would be externally hyper linked from the forum. The person hosting the copyrighted/illegal material is certainly breaking the law however Habbox is neither encouraging it or hosting it.

I can see what you mean but again I'm sure if there was a problem sierk would have taken action or if there is, I'm sure he will. :)



I'm sure that back ups are kept and that if the forum had to remove the content and move to another data center it would and it could be done without large amounts of hassle. As long as the site has its content stored somewhere offline and has the fund to move I wouldn't think the site would have a problem however I doubt it would ever get to that stage anyway as the issue would probably be able to be removed without shutting the site down if there was an issue to start with.

They don't actually give me a warning beforehand but it seems that Habbox would have contingency plans. I never agreed with the rule change as It seemed the forum 'lowered' its principles to this sort of thing when although Habbo is sacrosanct as I feel the Habbo element is getting less and less important these days.

[--ss--]

This is all quite pathetic seeing as Habbox didn't used to allow keygens and cracks to be posted but it was the users on here who wanted the rules changed and for them to be allowed so the management gave in and made the rules less strict , but now there's people complaining about something which isn't harming anyone and is helping everyone instead.

Also Sairth , your site;http://www.downloadbag.com/ is following the law now isn't it? Your site is completely based on illegal downloads and supports it.

If keygens and warez are to be disallowed again then shouldn't forums like yours be banned from being posted aswell?

[Catzsy]

This is all quite pathetic seeing as Habbox didn't used to allow keygens and cracks to be posted but it was the users on here who wanted the rules changed and for them to be allowed so the management gave in and made the rules less strict , but now there's people complaining about something which isn't harming anyone and is helping everyone instead.

Also Sairth , your site;http://www.downloadbag.com/ is following the law now isn't it? Your site is completely based on illegal downloads and supports it.

If keygens and warez are to be disallowed again then shouldn't forums like yours be banned from being posted aswell?

I don't remember a huge demand and quite a few of us were dead against it.
Also, breach of copyright is against the law so I guess then that's okay or am I just pathetic?

Also links can be virused with all sorts of inappropriate material which is frowned upon here.

[--ss--]

I don't remember a huge demand and quite a few of us were dead against it.
Also, breach of copyright is against the law so I guess then that's okay or am I just pathetic?
I wasn't aiming it about you in particular, i'm just saying people complained about not being able to post warez and now they're complaining about that , there's no pleasing some people ;).

[cunning]

That's crazy, even if they don't support but allow it, they're to blame?

[Catzsy]

I wasn't aiming it about you in particular, i'm just saying people complained about not being able to post warez and now they're complaining about that , there's no pleasing some people ;).

Well the forum isn't set in stone is it? I feel its a valid thread particuarly as enforcement procedures are becoming much more sophisticated than when the rules were introduced :) Its not as if this has been discussed much at all to my knowledge.

[Corporal]

EDIT: As for the rule about swearing overruling illegal activity, the swearing rule is in place to keep the forum pleasant, not to keep people from being arrested for swearing. That's like asking why there's a law against fraud when there's already a law against murder.
How is it?:s

[The Professor]

Because they are there for different reasons. Personally I'd put the enjoyability of being on the forums before whatever legal rules you wish to place.

[Galaxay]

I used swearing as an example as to you'd get banned / infracted for swearing, but they couldnt care less if you broke the law.

[shizzle]

Use keygens is illegal tbh.

[The Professor]

I used swearing as an example as to you'd get banned / infracted for swearing, but they couldnt care less if you broke the law.

Because breaking the law doesn't make the forum a more unpleasant place :)

[Cixso]

This is all quite pathetic seeing as Habbox didn't used to allow keygens and cracks to be posted but it was the users on here who wanted the rules changed and for them to be allowed so the management gave in and made the rules less strict , but now there's people complaining about something which isn't harming anyone and is helping everyone instead.

It does not matter if the user posts them, Habbox are FEEDING them.


Also Sairth , your site;http://www.downloadbag.com/ is following the law now isn't it? Your site is completely based on illegal downloads and supports it.

Duh, if it was based in the UK, USA etc then it's breaking the law. If it isn't then do your worst to try and close it down.

Hence rapidshare.


If keygens and warez are to be disallowed again then shouldn't forums like yours be banned from being posted aswell?

There's a difference between advertising a website that disputes illegal downloads, and there's a difference with advertising a site that hosts them.

But if it was to be fair, then yeah I'll agree.

[GommeInc]

Well there isn't large amounts of it on the forum as far as I can see and it could be removed easily enough if that is what was required however monitoring it couldn't be 100% accurate. Also if it was a risk to the forum I'm sure that the management would ensure there was no direct linking to the forum itself. Again this is a management decision and I'm sure if there is a problem this could be resolved. :)
That's besides the point. Any amount is illegal and it does happen. And moderating it couldn't be inaccurate, you watch for the key words: serial, patch, code, key, keygen etc. If you want to allow it, plaster up somewhere that they do it over MSN or over the PM system, which I believe most of them do anyway :S

[Galaxay]

Most people just post it in the thread -.-

[P1ckle]

It does not matter if the user posts them, Habbox are FEEDING them.


Duh, if it was based in the UK, USA etc then it's breaking the law. If it isn't then do your worst to try and close it down.

Hence rapidshare.



There's a difference between advertising a website that disputes illegal downloads, and there's a difference with advertising a site that hosts them.

But if it was to be fair, then yeah I'll agree.
Rapidshare actually removes some illegal content from time to time.

[jrh2002]

Habbox is breaking many laws by allowing the content/links to be posted and if somebody takes offence would have alot of explaining to do.

I think torrents are fine to be posted until the courts say otherwise (2010 probably) :) I am admin on one of the largest torrent sites in the world and the strict guide of what can and cant be posted covers most of what many of you say is ok :s

Laws should be more important than rules that are here to make the place a smooth environment. If you see anything illegal feel free to report it and then see the new rule changes by hxf. Yet again rules have been changed for the worse :s copyrighted material was forbidden :s lets scrap the laws because hxf rules are my life.

[Hayd93]

I find it concerning that some members seem as if they would like to see Habbox being shut down? I don't see why anyone who uses the forum would want this. Anyway I'm sure that sierk and the management will sort this out if it becomes a problem, I don't see serious action being taken unless the site was to ignore warnings regarding the content though. I suppose it is just my opinion anyway. :)



No copyrighted material is hosted on the server directly. You can be sure of that.
i am pretty sure we have a copy of sam broadcaster the full version on our servers and a serial and that is illigal.Not trying to get habbox in trouble just saying

[jrh2002]

i am pretty sure we have a copy of sam broadcaster the full version on our servers and a serial and that is illigal.Not trying to get habbox in trouble just saying

Which is why its hidden and kept out of the public eye :) if i ever say the key or anything on public view i would remove it and brief whoever posted it. well done on announcing it to everybody :)

[Hayd93]

http://habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=461776

thats the thread i saw it in.

[Corporal]

Which is why its hidden and kept out of the public eye :) if i ever say the key or anything on public view i would remove it and brief whoever posted it. well done on announcing it to everybody :)
Lets see how long it takes him to get fired.

[Galaxay]

Lol yeh i knew HxL had the keys for SAM but why post that here lol, its nothing to do with it as noone really spoke about the legal files really?

[Hayd93]

as far as i am aware i have done nothing wrong.Anybody else could of brung this up i dont see just because i am staff it makes it any differnt.If there is a debate about it we need it to be fair and all eveidance shown.I am not worried about loosing my job because in my eyes i have done nothing it was for public view and not just staff only so i see that as i have done nothing wrong.

[Galaxay]

Your post was nothing to do with the topic, the topic is of people posting keygens etc, not habbox staff posting proper licenses (if they are proper and not cracked, i dont know?)

[Corporal]

as far as i am aware i have done nothing wrong.Anybody else could of brung this up i dont see just because i am staff it makes it any differnt.If there is a debate about it we need it to be fair and all eveidance shown.I am not worried about loosing my job because in my eyes i have done nothing it was for public view and not just staff only so i see that as i have done nothing wrong.
Oh sorry i thought you had told us all about something we werent ment to know.

[Hayd93]

Lol yeh i knew HxL had the keys for SAM but why post that here lol, its nothing to do with it as noone really spoke about the legal files really?


Your post was nothing to do with the topic, the topic is of people posting keygens etc, not habbox staff posting proper licenses (if they are proper and not cracked, i dont know?)

SAM3 file is the full version meaning came from memebers only section meaning that your supposed to pay for it

[jrh2002]

http://habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=461776

thats the thread i saw it in.

I will not comment :(

If nobody really cares about it though why not post it? i am going to report it to spacial audio now :) and then see if theres a rule change and if theres not expect a site closure. Does sierk know this is even going on? what a joke.

[QuickScriptz]

Refer to the the Forum Posting Rules, specifically B9 :)

[jrh2002]

Refer to the the Forum Posting Rules, specifically B9 :)

Rules only matter depending on who breaks them......

[Cixso]

Look's like seirk is in trouble for the management doing's.

[jrh2002]

it makes me laugh that people think the HABBOX RULES are far more important than stuff that could lead to a criminal prosecution :s i also cant understand how staff defend it :s surely they should be advising this is wrong and stopping it happening? very very worrying.

[Catzsy]

Because they are there for different reasons. Personally I'd put the enjoyability of being on the forums before whatever legal rules you wish to place.

Well I am sure that hormonal teens would enjoy links to sex sites but Habbox doesn't allow that does it? Also they do not steal Habbo Images - Habbo endorse fansites using them providing they abide by the Habbo Way. I am not sure if the Management quite realise what is going on these days since the rule was changed to apply to 'illegal to Habbo only'. :)

[The Professor]

Well I am sure that hormonal teens would enjoy links to sex sites but Habbox doesn't allow that does it? Also they do not steal Habbo Images - Habbo endorse fansites using them providing they abide by the Habbo Way. I am not sure if the Management quite realise what is going on these days since the rule was changed to apply to 'illegal to Habbo only'. :)

Didn't know that, apologies.

I'm sure they would enjoy links to sex sites, but I wasn't referring to specific features that members would find enjoyable, I was talking about the swearing rule keeping the forum a reasonably pleasant (I use the term lightly) place to be. Anyway, I'm going to opt-out of this one as this is purely a debate of morality; clearly you are opposed to illegal activity whereas it doesn't bother me. I've made my case and can't say a lot more without repeating myself. I wish you luck with your argument :)

[Catzsy]

Didn't know that, apologies.

I'm sure they would enjoy links to sex sites, but I wasn't referring to specific features that members would find enjoyable, I was talking about the swearing rule keeping the forum a reasonably pleasant (I use the term lightly) place to be. Anyway, I'm going to opt-out of this one as this is purely a debate of morality; clearly you are opposed to illegal activity whereas it doesn't bother me. I've made my case and can't say a lot more without repeating myself. I wish you luck with your argument :)

Fair enough :D I totally agree about the filter on swearing myself.

[The Professor]

Fair enough :D I totally agree about the filter on swearing myself.

Wow I sounded like an old wise man who makes up those chinese proverbs at the end. Or Yoda.

"I wish you luck with your argument, young jedi"

[Galaxay]

"I wish you luck with your argument, young jedi"

Thanks :P:P


But yeh i know the swearing rules wont go obviously.

[Chill]

I might aswell start posting hundreds of keygens then and get habbox shut down?

[Cixso]

I might aswell start posting hundreds of keygens then and get habbox shut down?

:D:D:D:D...

You're a smart guy! (girl?)

But you could get reported too so don't risk it.

The users on TV links forum where being traced down too.

[DaveTaylor]

Thats what I said I should start posting links to warez boards etc which give information on how to crack vbulletins etc

[benjamin]

Whoever said you're not allowed to swear (noted; this is like back on page 1 lmao), you can swear - it's just filtered. You're not allowed to be rude to fellow members.

[Galaxay]

I was referring to its against the rules to swear and you get infracted for it (which was just a basic example i decided to go with) but you can break the law and get of with it, which could bring even worse consequences to HxF.

[Chill]

Whoever said you're not allowed to swear (noted; this is like back on page 1 lmao), you can swear - it's just filtered. You're not allowed to be rude to fellow members.

Wow your smart!

[benjamin]

It isn't though, you get infracted for avoiding the filter/being rude to other forum members/staff - not swearing in itself.
I was referring to its against the rules to swear and you get infracted for it (which was just a basic example i decided to go with) but you can break the law and get of with it, which could bring even worse consequences to HxF.

[Galaxay]

You know what i mean :)

Avoiding the filter if you wish.

[---MAD---]

In regards to serial numbers etc, we will contact our data center to find out what exactly is allowed and what isn't allowed in these circumstances and then we will announce any changes :).

[Catzsy]

In regards to serial numbers etc, we will contact our data center to find out what exactly is allowed and what isn't allowed in these circumstances and then we will announce any changes :).

Well there is a good conclusion to this thread. :)

[DaveTaylor]

I got a reply from Sierk he cames he wasn't sure if it was illegal or not, but to backup his claim it may be true as he doesnt live in the UK etc

[Cixso]

I got a reply from Sierk he cames he wasn't sure if it was illegal or not, but to backup his claim it may be true as he doesnt live in the UK etc

Court will laugh at that for a 100% fact.

He took up a website aimed at the UK and Habbo, and Habbo's Sulake T&C state the UK and USA laws etc must be met.

Therefore he has no excuse.

[@xP]

I might aswell start posting hundreds of keygens then and get habbox shut down?

god ur annoyin.

[Cixso]

god ur annoyin.

So are you and my self. :)

It's how life works now a days to gain something.