Bus passengers in EU law 'farce'

[Clowgon]

Passengers across the UK have been hit by EU rules on working hours meant to protect drivers, bus companies say. Western Greyhound in south-west England has broken one route into three so that passengers have to change buses twice.
The rules on routes longer than 50km (30 miles) are too costly to implement and the result is a farce, it says.
But the European Commission says there is no problem elsewhere in Europe and the companies are trying to bypass laws which ensure drivers are not tired.


Under the EU drivers' hours rule, drivers on routes longer than 50km are not allowed to work more than nine hours a day because they need more rest.

Western Greyhound says that would be fine for companies operating large depots with a large number of drivers.
But, it argues, for smaller companies often with two or three drivers, longer routes have become impossible to operate.


This is stupid. Why are we letting another country decide our rules?
I say Bring Back Tony Blair:eusa_whis

[alexxxxx]

Passengers across the UK have been hit by EU rules on working hours meant to protect drivers, bus companies say. Western Greyhound in south-west England has broken one route into three so that passengers have to change buses twice.
The rules on routes longer than 50km (30 miles) are too costly to implement and the result is a farce, it says.
But the European Commission says there is no problem elsewhere in Europe and the companies are trying to bypass laws which ensure drivers are not tired.


Under the EU drivers' hours rule, drivers on routes longer than 50km are not allowed to work more than nine hours a day because they need more rest.

Western Greyhound says that would be fine for companies operating large depots with a large number of drivers.
But, it argues, for smaller companies often with two or three drivers, longer routes have become impossible to operate.


This is stupid. Why are we letting another country decide our rules?
I say Bring Back Tony Blair:eusa_whis


1. Source.
2. The EU isn't a country, it's a democratic union in which you elect EMPs.
3. The EU was 'in control' before Tony Blair. (The Maastricht Treaty http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maastricht_Treaty was signed by the Conservatives in 1992)
4. Yes it is ridiculous. Some lazy continental Europeans obviously thought this rule up.

[Virgin Mary]

Can't they just tell the EU to **** off?

[DJ-Vimto]

imagine how different things would be if we told the EU to bugger off and that we didnt want to be part of it anymore

[Klydo]

The EU is a load of donkey but nothing we can do about it now. At least we still have Stirling for now instead of the Euro.

If bus drivers are being tired after 1 hour of driving why are they bus drivers? An average route between my house and college is 1 hour 35 minutes. It's on a small cramped bus which gets packed to the rim as Stagecoach won't give us a bigger bus as we're not a large town.

Once the bus driver has arrived he has to do it all over again, then again and again. Then he swaps with another driver. If he got a break every hour we'd get nowhere.

[lew!]

OHH NO, NOT A.. CHANGE OF BUS??!!!! MY LITTLE LEGS WONT CARRY ME OFF THE BUS AND LET ME WAIT FOR ANOTHER!! WHAT EVER SHOULD I DO?

[-:Undertaker:-]

Passengers across the UK have been hit by EU rules on working hours meant to protect drivers, bus companies say. Western Greyhound in south-west England has broken one route into three so that passengers have to change buses twice.
The rules on routes longer than 50km (30 miles) are too costly to implement and the result is a farce, it says.
But the European Commission says there is no problem elsewhere in Europe and the companies are trying to bypass laws which ensure drivers are not tired.


Under the EU drivers' hours rule, drivers on routes longer than 50km are not allowed to work more than nine hours a day because they need more rest.

Western Greyhound says that would be fine for companies operating large depots with a large number of drivers.
But, it argues, for smaller companies often with two or three drivers, longer routes have become impossible to operate.


This is stupid. Why are we letting another country decide our rules?
I say Bring Back Tony Blair:eusa_whis


Are you stupid seriously? Tony Blair was pro-eu and signed away our rebate which was secured by Maragret Thatcher. The Labour Party has always been for the EU because they all get top jobs when they are found out to be liers/cheats in British politics. Peter Mandelson, Tony Blair - both are unpopular disgraced politians whom have/are going to get top EU jobs.


;4583989']1. Source.
2. The EU isn't a country, it's a democratic union in which you elect EMPs.
3. The EU was 'in control' before Tony Blair. (The Maastricht Treaty http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maastricht_Treaty was signed by the Conservatives in 1992)
4. Yes it is ridiculous. Some lazy continental Europeans obviously thought this rule up.

However within the past 10 years the european courts have reeped even more power from us.

[Clowgon]

[quote=-:Undertaker:-;4585975]Are you stupid seriously? Tony Blair was pro-eu and signed away our rebate which was secured by Maragret Thatcher. The Labour Party has always been for the EU because they all get top jobs when they are found out to be liers/cheats in British politics. Peter Mandelson, Tony Blair - both are unpopular disgraced politians whom have/are going to get top EU jobs.

Why isnt the please do not be rude thingy on here.
Being a PM is a very hard Job. Everytime you make a rule you get banted, you just cant win. Tony Blair has done a great Job for this country.

[-:Undertaker:-]

[quote=-:Undertaker:-;4585975]Are you stupid seriously? Tony Blair was pro-eu and signed away our rebate which was secured by Maragret Thatcher. The Labour Party has always been for the EU because they all get top jobs when they are found out to be liers/cheats in British politics. Peter Mandelson, Tony Blair - both are unpopular disgraced politians whom have/are going to get top EU jobs.

Why isnt the please do not be rude thingy on here.
Being a PM is a very hard Job. Everytime you make a rule you get banted, you just cant win. Tony Blair has done a great Job for this country.

Don't lecture me on being rude, who was the one who said HHGS is crap? - If you believe Tony Blair was a good politician then your in 'coo coo' land, firstly you thought he was against the EU and thought he was great because of that then I tell you he wasn't and he's still a great MP? ~ Tony Blair and his government took this country into debt, put taxes at bizzare levels leaving families struggling, took this country into an illegal, expensive war which has torn apart hundreds of thousands of families and destroyed a once stable country, he has handed more power over to the EU more than ever before, he has surrended our EU rebate and has let the spread of socialist political correctness take a firm grip on our country - Great job?, I think not.

[alexxxxx]

[quote=Clowgon;4587893]

Don't lecture me on being rude, who was the one who said HHGS is crap? - If you believe Tony Blair was a good politician then your in 'coo coo' land, firstly you thought he was against the EU and thought he was great because of that then I tell you he wasn't and he's still a great MP? ~ Tony Blair and his government took this country into debt, put taxes at bizzare levels leaving families struggling, took this country into an illegal, expensive war which has torn apart hundreds of thousands of families and destroyed a once stable country, he has handed more power over to the EU more than ever before, he has surrended our EU rebate and has let the spread of socialist political correctness take a firm grip on our country - Great job?, I think not.

But did you know what Ton Blair DID do? He stopped the conflict in Northern Ireland. And dya know how important that is? The IRA are no longer armed (or so they say) and we haven't been bombed by the IRA in years. I'd say that was an INCREDIBLE thing.

[-:Undertaker:-]

;4590356'][quote=-:Undertaker:-;4590294]

But did you know what Ton Blair DID do? He stopped the conflict in Northern Ireland. And dya know how important that is? The IRA are no longer armed (or so they say) and we haven't been bombed by the IRA in years. I'd say that was an INCREDIBLE thing.

The conflict in Northern Ireland was going to end whether he was their or not. The above things I have mentioned especially the Iraq conflict outweigh the Northern Ireland claim by miles.

[alexxxxx]

[quote='[ALEX];4590356']

The conflict in Northern Ireland was going to end whether he was their or not. The above things I have mentioned especially the Iraq conflict outweigh the Northern Ireland claim by miles.

I disagree. Though I think it's ridiculous how much debt this country is in. I believe we're the 2nd most debt-filled country to the USA (France being 3rd). But we've been in debt for ages, just it's more ridiculous now. I'm gonna move to Switzerland when i'm older so I'm not here when the economy collapses.

[-:Undertaker:-]

;4590382'][quote=-:Undertaker:-;4590375]

I disagree. Though I think it's ridiculous how much debt this country is in. I believe we're the 2nd most debt-filled country to the USA (France being 3rd). But we've been in debt for ages, just it's more ridiculous now. I'm gonna move to Switzerland when i'm older so I'm not here when the economy collapses.

Labour have spent and spent but have not saved. Our country was stable under Major after the fixing of the economy under Thatcher - Most of that has now been partly destroyed by this governments' absurd spending.

Oh and I agree, I think i'll be out of here within the next 20 years because every aspect of the country is just getting worse and worse. It'll probably be United States of America, Canada, New Zealand or Austrialia for me. :)

[Frodo13.]

[quote=Clowgon;4587893]

expensive war which has torn apart hundreds of thousands of families and destroyed a once stable country

You refer to Iraq YET again in a topic which has nothing to do with it. You're foolish:rolleyes:

[Jordy]

[quote='[ALEX];4590356']

The conflict in Northern Ireland was going to end whether he was their or not. The above things I have mentioned especially the Iraq conflict outweigh the Northern Ireland claim by miles.Indeed, the conflict in N Ireland was pretty small by the time Tony Blair came to see it. Tony Blair simply got all the credit out of the peace deal, he played a very little part in it but was the 'Public face' to it. However he did take a risk cause no doubt if the deal fell through he would also be blamed for it all even though he was hardly involved.

Don't give me all that rubbish 'it's difficult being PM' - You have to be a natural leader and prepared for lots of stress and difficult decision's every day if your going into an election, it's simply no excuse. It may well be a difficult job, but we're meant to elect the person who will make good decision's for their ENTIRE term and can cope with the job. Clearly the public got it wrong three elections in a row. The PM also has loads of department leaders and adviser's, he just simply says yes and no, I wouldn't give a PM all that much sympathy.

[-:Undertaker:-]

[quote=-:Undertaker:-;4590294]

You refer to Iraq YET again in a topic which has nothing to do with it. You're foolish:rolleyes:

I was replying to Clowgon who said Tony Blair has done a great job for this country. If you could read you would see I posted about various other things Tony Blair has done wrong. Ask yourself why you feel the need to somehow ignore the Iraq topic. Iraq was Labour's biggest and most serious wrong-doing so why would I mention our country being in debt but not mention the war? (Also to mention the fact a war costs billions of pounds)

Who really is foolish?

[Frodo13.]

[quote=Frodo13.;4590651]

I was replying to Clowgon who said Tony Blair has done a great job for this country. If you could read you would see I posted about various other things Tony Blair has done wrong. Ask yourself why you feel the need to somehow ignore the Iraq topic. Iraq was Labour's biggest and most serious wrong-doing so why would I mention our country being in debt but not mention the war? (Also to mention the fact a war costs billions of pounds)

Who really is foolish?

You are. You should be banned of this forum tbh. You cause provokearguments. He said Blair was good. You come back with this crap yet again.

[-:Undertaker:-]

[quote=-:Undertaker:-;4591999]

You are. You should be banned of this forum tbh. You cause provokearguments. He said Blair was good. You come back with this crap yet again.

Hahahaha getting angry now are we? - It's called debating mate, if you can't take it without getting a period then I suggest you leave. :)

He said Blair was good, I said he was bad and gave examples on why I think he was bad. Would you rather I just reply with 'he is bad'.

It isn't crap! It happened and for some reason you choose to ignore it, perhaps because Tony Blair is undefendable!

[Frodo13.]

[quote=Frodo13.;4592102]

Hahahaha getting angry now are we? - It's called debating mate, if you can't take it without getting a period then I suggest you leave. :)

He said Blair was good, I said he was bad and gave examples on why I think he was bad. Would you rather I just reply with 'he is bad'.

It isn't crap! It happened and for some reason you choose to ignore it, perhaps because Tony Blair is undefendable!


Anger? Lol at you. Now you know why I think your a utter fool.

I agree with the Iraq war, and you know my reasons why. I just think you arguments have no relevents to about 90% of topics under discussion and you don't let other express there views without having a total fit.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Anger? Lol at you. Now you know why I think your a utter fool.

I agree with the Iraq war, and you know my reasons why. I just think you arguments have no relevents to about 90% of topics under discussion and you don't let other express there views without having a total fit.

What I said is relevent.



Tony Blair has done a great Job for this country.


Then I replied with what Tony Blair has done wrong..

[quote]Don't lecture me on being rude, who was the one who said HHGS is crap? - If you believe Tony Blair was a good politician then your in 'coo coo' land, firstly you thought he was against the EU and thought he was great because of that then I tell you he wasn't and he's still a great MP? ~ Tony Blair and his government took this country into debt, put taxes at bizzare levels leaving families struggling, took this country into an illegal, expensive war which has torn apart hundreds of thousands of families and destroyed a once stable country, he has handed more power over to the EU more than ever before, he has surrended our EU rebate and has let the spread of socialist political correctness take a firm grip on our country - Great job?, I think not.

See? - It's rather simple.

Oh and I do let others express views, infact i'd actually prefer you to debate your views against mine rather than nag on about how relevant the debate is which is what you tend to do quite often these days.

[Clowgon]

[quote=Clowgon;4587893]

Don't lecture me on being rude, who was the one who said HHGS is crap? - If you believe Tony Blair was a good politician then your in 'coo coo' land, firstly you thought he was against the EU and thought he was great because of that then I tell you he wasn't and he's still a great MP? ~ Tony Blair and his government took this country into debt, put taxes at bizzare levels leaving families struggling, took this country into an illegal, expensive war which has torn apart hundreds of thousands of families and destroyed a once stable country, he has handed more power over to the EU more than ever before, he has surrended our EU rebate and has let the spread of socialist political correctness take a firm grip on our country - Great job?, I think not.

Frist off all, i did not lecture you on being rude. Tony Blair had to go to war
because George bush said if we never helped them, they whould not help us. We needed to go to war anyway. Saddam was making wepons aka Weapons Of Mass Destruction. If we had left it to the last minuite and invaded Iraq then he chould have use that extra time and did something unbelievable.
Subject Closed.

[GommeInc]

Frist off all, i did not lecture you on being rude. Tony Blair had to go to war
because George bush said if we never helped them, they whould not help us. We needed to go to war anyway. Saddam was making wepons aka Weapons Of Mass Destruction. If we had left it to the last minuite and invaded Iraq then he chould have use that extra time and did something unbelievable.
Subject Closed.
I am very certain there were no weapons of mass destruction nor any proof that Saddam was investing in them... Or did I fall asleep in the middle of the 'crisis.'

[Jamesy]

[quote=-:Undertaker:-;4590294]

Frist off all, i did not lecture you on being rude. Tony Blair had to go to war
because George bush said if we never helped them, they whould not help us. We needed to go to war anyway. Saddam was making wepons aka Weapons Of Mass Destruction. If we had left it to the last minuite and invaded Iraq then he chould have use that extra time and did something unbelievable.
Subject Closed.

you actually believe there were weapons? There were never weapons. te UN investigated for years and never found anything.

Something unimaginable at the last minute? You just lost all credibility in this thread.

[-:Undertaker:-]

[quote=-:Undertaker:-;4590294]

Frist off all, i did not lecture you on being rude. Tony Blair had to go to war
because George bush said if we never helped them, they whould not help us. We needed to go to war anyway. Saddam was making wepons aka Weapons Of Mass Destruction. If we had left it to the last minuite and invaded Iraq then he chould have use that extra time and did something unbelievable.
Subject Closed.

It just shows how much you think you know about the matter but don't actually. Saddam Hussein and the Ba'ath regime were cleared of making any weapons by the UN WMD Inspectors and it's head, Hans Blix.

[Clowgon]

I am very certain there were no weapons of mass destruction nor any proof that Saddam was investing in them... Or did I fall asleep in the middle of the 'crisis.'

I dont know, you tell me. :rolleyes:


[quote=Clowgon;4593472]

you actually believe there were weapons? There were never weapons. te UN investigated for years and never found anything.

Something unimaginable at the last minute? You just lost all credibility in this thread.

Oh really? :rolleyes:

[Jamesy]

really.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I dont know, you tell me. :rolleyes:

[quote=Jamesy;4593655]

Oh really? :rolleyes:

I love how you missed my post out. Anyway yes Jamesy is correct and you are wrong. You can't even argue your point can you? :P

[Clowgon]

[quote=Clowgon;4595546]I dont know, you tell me. :rolleyes:



I love how you missed my post out. Anyway yes Jamesy is correct and you are wrong. You can't even argue your point can you? :P

No not really:rolleyes: I never wanted to because, you are just to good for me. :eusa_clap

[-:Undertaker:-]

[quote=-:Undertaker:-;4595639]

No not really:rolleyes: I never wanted to because, you are just to good for me. :eusa_clap

I'm honoured. :rolleyes::P