Klydo ~ Social Networking Evolved

[Dentafrice]

Well we haven't shown Habbox Forum any previews yet, but I thought it may be time to release a little of our behind the scenes work.

I would just like to say, the system is only 30% done, so expect a lot more work coming from this.

The design is not final, changes will be made. I just wanted to see what the community thinks :)

Lets start!

Here is the main dashboard:

http://dentafrice.com/klydo/dashboard.png


Edit Profile page:
http://dentafrice.com/klydo/edit_profile.png

Main Page:
http://dentafrice.com/klydo/index.png

Manage Pictures:
http://dentafrice.com/klydo/pictures.png

View Pictures (public):
http://dentafrice.com/klydo/view_picture.png

Comments Page:
http://dentafrice.com/klydo/comments.png

Custom Profile:
http://dentafrice.com/klydo/profile.png

Default Layout:
http://dentafrice.com/klydo/zedtupre.png

Edit HTML & CSS:
http://dentafrice.com/klydo/editcss.png

Those are just some of the basic things.

By the way, you create "widgets" that can have Flash, HTML, words, pictures in them, and include them on your profile.

{widget_name} includes it.

Hope you enjoy! :)

[Florx]

VERY VERY NICE.

Excellent work. Keep it up :)

Looks better than myspace :p

[kk.]

The ideas in whole are great. The colours work well together and i like the way that you edit and add code.

The downside for me though, is that i dont particularly like the design of the profile page and main pages. However, as you said, it could change.

[Dentafrice]

Thanks! :) Feature requests?

Cool things?

PM me.



@kk:

The design on that page is my personal one, any user can change it.

This is the only code that you have to edit:



<div id="bg">

<div id="page">

<div id="top">
{widget_dp}
{widget_options}
{widget_username}
{widget_title}
</div>


<div id="middle">

<div id="col1">

{widget_about}

{widget_pictures}
{widget_comments}


</div>

<div id="col2">
{widget_info}
{widget_friends}
</div>

</div>

<div id="bottom">{widget_tags}</div>

</div>

</div>


Change that, new layout. Or you can fully change the CSS. Way easier then MySpace.

[RedCrisps]

It doesn't really give me that "WOW" like myspace does. But im sure they started basic and progressed. I'm going to sign up when it opens though =).

[Dentafrice]

It doesn't really give me that "WOW" like myspace does. But im sure they started basic and progressed. I'm going to sign up when it opens though =).
Just wondering, how could MySpace give you a "WOW", it is completely awful :P

I still don't see how it made it that far.

[Invent]

Personally, I think the site looks too "basic", quite a weird thing to say when it's a SN site :P

I'm not sure if it's the layout/design or something else..

I also think the site has a LONG way to go before social networking even thinks about "evolving" :P.

[RedCrisps]

Just wondering, how could MySpace give you a "WOW", it is completely awful :P

I still don't see how it made it that far.
Yes, it is awkward to navigate around and edit, but it has many features. Also on bebo they have "share the luv" maybe you could recreate that feature by having something like "thumbs up", just an idea.

[Dentafrice]

Yes, it is awkward to navigate around and edit, but it has many features. Also on bebo they have "share the luv" maybe you could recreate that feature by having something like "thumbs up", just an idea.
Nice idea. :)

Well this is just the start, MySpace has been open for a long time, of course they are going to have many features.

[RedCrisps]

Nice idea. :)

Well this is just the start, MySpace has been open for a long time, of course they are going to have many features.

Got any idea of when the site will become public?

[Dentafrice]

Not sure :) The system is working great at the moment, and we plan to open it as BETA invitation only.

[d17c]

I'm not too fond of the design, although for some reason, I really like it on the 'View Pictures' screen.

Maybe add a timestamp to the comments, instead of just the date?
Unless it's already on there, and I've just missed it...

[RYANNNNN]

Functionality wise the site is both good and bad, the reason I say this is because what you have so far looks good feature wise, but from what I can tell from the screenshots there is nothing that has evolved, you still have profiles just like other sites, add a few pictures, widgets and the like, the main thing you emphasised on this project was how it was going to take social networking to a whole new level, and I haven't yet seen that. I'm sure (I hope) you have other features in the pipeline and can prove me wrong.

Design isn't great but it could be worse.. I'd advise that you get a new logo made. Also .. doesn't social networking connote teenagers, the design isn't very vibrant and it seems you're trying to go for a professional feel, I think you need a professional design but at the same time you also need to take into account the target audience that are going to be using the website.

My constructive criticism.

EDIT: Structure wise on the design I think it's fine, it's just it needs to be spiced up here and there. Also, good luck breaking into the market even if your site has unique features, the niche is fairly saturated and has around 5 sites that dominate it by a huge amount.

[RedCrisps]

Functionality wise the site is both good and bad, the reason I say this is because what you have so far looks good feature wise, but from what I can tell from the screenshots there is nothing that has evolved, you still have profiles just like other sites, add a few pictures, widgets and the like, the main thing you emphasised on this project was how it was going to take social networking to a whole new level, and I haven't yet seen that. I'm sure (I hope) you have other features in the pipeline and can prove me wrong.

Design isn't great but it could be worse.. I'd advise that you get a new logo made. Also .. doesn't social networking connote teenagers, the design isn't very vibrant and it seems you're trying to go for a professional feel, I think you need a professional design but at the same time you also need to take into account the target audience that are going to be using the website.

My constructive criticism.
I 100% agree with you.

[DDDDYannd]

LOL AT THE CODING.

[RYANNNNN]

LOL AT THE CODING.

I laughed out loud, but you're an idiot. :eusa_danc

Edited by lAscend (Forum Super Moderator): Please don't insult other forum members.

[RedCrisps]

LOL AT THE CODING.
What's so funny about the coding?

[craigg.]

I like the design, well, some aspects. I think it's similar to Habbo's design in some way, with big headings and light grey background etc. Anyway, the main thing that is annoying me is the header. I think overall it's the header that's 'killing' the design.

Along with RYAN, I agree with his last statement. I still think you should keep the professionalism, but take into account the audience you are trying to involve.

On a whole, I like it and good luck with it. (This is my half-hearted/tired criticism)

[Dentafrice]

Functionality wise the site is both good and bad, the reason I say this is because what you have so far looks good feature wise, but from what I can tell from the screenshots there is nothing that has evolved, you still have profiles just like other sites, add a few pictures, widgets and the like, the main thing you emphasised on this project was how it was going to take social networking to a whole new level, and I haven't yet seen that. I'm sure (I hope) you have other features in the pipeline and can prove me wrong.

Design isn't great but it could be worse.. I'd advise that you get a new logo made. Also .. doesn't social networking connote teenagers, the design isn't very vibrant and it seems you're trying to go for a professional feel, I think you need a professional design but at the same time you also need to take into account the target audience that are going to be using the website.

My constructive criticism.

EDIT: Structure wise on the design I think it's fine, it's just it needs to be spiced up here and there. Also, good luck breaking into the market even if your site has unique features, the niche is fairly saturated and has around 5 sites that dominate it by a huge amount.

Taken all this in :) Thanks for providing some CC and not just complaining and whining :). +REP.


LOL AT THE CODING.

What are you talking about.


I like the design, well, some aspects. I think it's similar to Habbo's design in some way, with big headings and light grey background etc. Anyway, the main thing that is annoying me is the header. I think overall it's the header that's 'killing' the design.

Along with RYAN, I agree with his last statement. I still think you should keep the professionalism, but take into account the audience you are trying to involve.

On a whole, I like it and good luck with it. (This is my half-hearted/tired criticism)

Thanks, I agree with both of you.

[RYANNNNN]

Taken all this in :) Thanks for providing some CC and not just complaining and whining :). +REP.

I never complain or whine :8

[Bojangles]

I actually like the design :) Well done to greg.
OFF TOPIC: On the "this is me" picture you look like Ronald Weasley out of harry potter if thats you xD

[Falcon]

It looks alot better than bebo & facebook!
I'll deffo register, good luck!

[RedCrisps]

I actually like the design :) Well done to greg.
OFF TOPIC: On the "this is me" picture you look like Ronald Weasley out of harry potter if thats you xD

Also off topic: It is him, just with a different hair colour. :)

[Jordan3606]

I think it looks good, crisp and clean, not tacky like MySpace (worst design, ever, I've never understood why MySpace is so popular...) although the whole thing could do with a little brightening up a bit. It is all a bit grey and dull. Although professional and simple, I think you need more bright, vibrant colours in the background at least, or the header even :)

Overall, I like it though ;) good luck

[iTech]

Nice, I've seen 2-3 pages, before. (From Caleb on msn)
Good luck with it!

[RedCrisps]

I think it looks good, crisp and clean, not tacky like MySpace (worst design, ever, I've never understood why MySpace is so popular...) although the whole thing could do with a little brightening up a bit. It is all a bit grey and dull. Although professional and simple, I think you need more bright, vibrant colours in the background at least, or the header even :)

Overall, I like it though ;) good luck
Social networking sites usually don't have backgrounds. There usally just a solid colour.

[Hypertext]

Very nice I like the style.. I think you might end up running into trouble with the skins unless you really limit the customizability if thats a word.. (no red underline :D) Myspace went down the toilet because people made their profiles completely uneligible, and facebook corrected that.. but looking good.

@redcrisp: Faceparty.com

[Dentafrice]

Very nice I like the style.. I think you might end up running into trouble with the skins unless you really limit the customizability if thats a word.. (no red underline :D) Myspace went down the toilet because people made their profiles completely uneligible, and facebook corrected that.. but looking good.

@redcrisp: Faceparty.com
You can hardly customize Facebook. It is pathetic, and it is way more professional then any social networking site.

Users will be able to make their profiles the way they want to, if they want it looking like crap, let it look like crap, if they want it to be amazing, it will be amazing.

It is the user's choice, in the end, it is their profile, and they can design it the way they want.

It is the same with website design, you can't make it however you want, but it can be good, or it can be crap.

[Klydo]

Okay thank you for all comments, lets go through them;

I agree with the content being boring. However there is a reason for that and you'll see once it opens. Pretty sure you can guess though. I also agree that the site does look very professional as we wanted to combine all the aspect of current websites, they being Bebo, Netlog, Facebook, MySpace and Hi5. The thing I personally and a couple of friends and family I asked disliked about them all (apart from netlog) is the awkward way they display content. It all seems an after thought and often is confusing to read. So we opted for a large, spacey look so it was easy to read and follow. This means that navigation is simple and the page loading is fast as we're keeping the image use down and just working with CSS.

From seeing the screenshots myself I see how "bright" the content is, so that will have to be toned down at least a couple of notches.

Onto the logo and header issues, these are the bits which aren't going to be changed. The design for them is basically what it's going to be like when it opens. I must admit statically on a screenshot they don't look so good but when you're actually on the site interacting with the buttons it looks a lot better. The logo on the other hand has to stay as it is as that's our branding. That's here to stay I'm sorry to say, as we wanted to show communication with the speech bubble then have a nice "funky" font with Klydo written over the top and thats what we came up with.

Also you can't see the features which are to revolutionise the social networking world as that would kind of be ruining the revolution. Then if anyone saw it they could basically copy it before we even launch ours. Be patient and you'll see what we have done to hook everyone that ever visits :P

Think that's about it, I only let Caleb post these previews on the condition that the HxF community weren't bad mouthing because of me. Seems to have worked as there hasn't been much hating of me in here. So thank you all for taking a professional approach to the thread.

Thanks,

Greg :)

[loserWILL]

This looks superb! I can't wait until it opens, I hope this goes far.

[Bojangles]

Could be more to it tho. Couple images round the site I'd love to see, to fill up space :)

[Dentafrice]

Hopefully I can get to work now, fresh new music in my library, no work today, :)

[blanky12!]

I will buy this site off you.

I'm not joking, how much you want? Let me see it online?

[Bojangles]

Hopefully I can get to work now, fresh new music in my library, no work today, :)
Reminds me, would be great if users could put their own songs on the site via upload then display them in their profile with a little flash player ;)

[Dentafrice]

I will buy this site off you.

I'm not joking, how much you want? Let me see it online?
You don't have enough to buy it, from what we have been offered already ;)

It isn't for sale.


Reminds me, would be great if users could put their own songs on the site via upload then display them in their profile with a little flash player ;)

The thing is, that would bring more legal issues into this then we can handle, due to the fact people could upload any song in the world, and not pay royalty rights on them, all that jazz.

Hence the reason we are following the trend with users only being able to put songs on their profile from another band's profile.

Although, with our Widgets feature, users can put a flash MP3 player from another site, which can include any song they wish. EX: http://www.myflashfetish.com and any remote MP3 player :)

[blanky12!]

You don't have enough to buy it, from what we have been offered already ;)

It isn't for sale.
fair enught.

I wish you luck.

[Azul]

Nice. But how do you expect this to pick up with so many other popular social networking sites out there? What does your site offer that others don't?

[Dentafrice]

fair enught.

I wish you luck.

Thanks! ^_^


Nice. But how do you expect this to pick up with so many other popular social networking sites out there? What does your site offer that others don't?

I'm going to go with the biggest social networking site for this example: MySpace.

MySpace has no target audience, it is just based around everyone, from 14+.

Klydo has a target audience of ages 13-22, but allows anyone to register.

We (as staff) are not sitting behind our desks doing nothing, we integrate ourselves into the community to provide users with fun and exciting things to participate in.

Examples of that would include competitions, feature requests, general chat, and things that I haven't thought of yet :rolleyes:

Hopefully in the near future we can bring you more information, but this early into the development process, I can't :P

[Agnostic Bear]

Thanks! ^_^



I'm going to go with the biggest social networking site for this example: MySpace.

MySpace has no target audience, it is just based around everyone, from 14+.

Klydo has a target audience of ages 13-22, but allows anyone to register.

We (as staff) are not sitting behind our desks doing nothing, we integrate ourselves into the community to provide users with fun and exciting things to participate in.

Examples of that would include competitions, feature requests, general chat, and things that I haven't thought of yet :rolleyes:

Hopefully in the near future we can bring you more information, but this early into the development process, I can't :P

MySpace would do all of this if they didn't have over 500 million hits a day when you start getting that many things happening priorities start to change from "lets get involved and talk to everyone" to "lets keep everyone good with community powered things that they develop without admin intervention" :rolleyes:

[Dentafrice]

MySpace would do all of this if they didn't have over 500 million hits a day when you start getting that many things happening priorities start to change from "lets get involved and talk to everyone" to "lets keep everyone good with community powered things that they develop without admin intervention" :rolleyes:
True, but from what I have read, none of the staff were ever involved within the community at the beginning, just the site was there, you could use it, if you complained, you could leave.

[kk.]

just because you havnt seen any features as of yet, it doesnt mean that their are not any in development or finished. They said earlier that they didnt want to reveal any features because then any site could simply copy it.

Speaking to admins, you get to ask them questions such as whats coming up thats new, which s something you cannot do on any SN site. The main reason being that they dont really have enough time. If klydo can create time or have staff who actually communicate with users for their job then that would be great

[Azul]

Not being funny, but what makes you think that people using this site will want to be involved with staff?

[Dentafrice]

just because you havnt seen any features as of yet, it doesnt mean that their are not any in development or finished. They said earlier that they didnt want to reveal any features because then any site could simply copy it.

Speaking to admins, you get to ask them questions such as whats coming up thats new, which s something you cannot do on any SN site. The main reason being that they dont really have enough time. If klydo can create time or have staff who actually communicate with users for their job then that would be great


Not being funny, but what makes you think that people using this site will want to be involved with staff?

Not all people do ;) Yes, but it is still a major desire upon the SN market, as read in many articles.

Yes, our SN at the moment (that we showed you), isn't "funky-fresh".

The features that are intuitive, are not going to be released as of yet, as anyone could snatch them up and steal them ;)

[Klydo]

We want to target humans as I like to put it, all humans have opinions and different views on things. If you take Netlog for instance, they actually listen to their users. They have one of the widest spread user base as they target all different languages meaning their up keep and maintenance is much greater than MySpace's. However despite this they often have their Community Director blog about new things happening to the site and getting opinions and suggests on how to improve it. Proof of this was from the recent site redesign they had, where a lot of it was user influenced from the blog. So if Netlog can do it (who have a realitively small team of which a lot are non-paid) then so can we. It will be tough and time consuming but it gets you a lot more respect from industry professionals and long term members.

So it isn't being "involved with staff" as such, it's more about getting your wants onto a site which you enjoy. I'd find my experience on MySpace much greater if I was able to put forward my ideas rather than them just making them when they wish for more income.

[RYANNNNN]

Anyone could steal your ideas when you do actually launch them...

[Klydo]

Anyone could steal your ideas when you do actually launch them...
Yes but then we've actually launched and have a head start with them, if we showed now they could launch the features before we even have a chance to open the site. Therefore everyone who associate the idea with that site instead of ours.

[cunning]

Good site, can't wait until it launches!

[Dentafrice]

Thanks cunning! :)

[timROGERS]

It does look rather sexy :) Very nice design work and I'm sure there will be some nice server side code underneah if I know old Caleb!

[Dentafrice]

It does look rather sexy :) Very nice design work and I'm sure there will be some nice server side code underneah if I know old Caleb!
I have improved at least 150% from the last time anyone saw anything big :P

I can see myself learning daily.. and improving with everything I do.

[RYANNNNN]

Yes but then we've actually launched and have a head start with them, if we showed now they could launch the features before we even have a chance to open the site. Therefore everyone who associate the idea with that site instead of ours.

Okay, lets say you open your site and then myspace copy a feature, you think people will still believe the idea was yours?

[Klydo]

Okay, lets say you open your site and then myspace copy a feature, you think people will still believe the idea was yours?
No but at least we have proof of original idea so whenever people challenge our claims we can prove to them. It beats just being another MySpace copy :P

[Invent]

No but at least we have proof of original idea so whenever people challenge our claims we can prove to them. It beats just being another MySpace copy

You really think the average internet user cares about that? :P

[Bojangles]

No disrespect to klydo but if myspace did decide to rip an idea they would make it 100x better with their coders and developers :P

[Klydo]

No disrespect to klydo but if myspace did decide to rip an idea they would make it 100x better with their coders and developers :P

MySpace is the worst social network out at the moment, so I don't see that happening. They are nothing compared to Facebook, Bebo, Netlog and Virb. The only reason their popular is because they were first. Other than that they're crap.

@Simon; The main reason is if we're ever mentioned in reviews by professionals they'll know. It's not all about the average user.

[RYANNNNN]

No disrespect to klydo but if myspace did decide to rip an idea they would make it 100x better with their coders and developers :P


I doubt it, the one positive thing I noticed about Klydo is greg and caleb seem to be perfectionists... even still, MySpace would still get all the credit.

@Kyldo's @Simon reply, but the thing is, your site is aimed at 13-21 year olds or whatever it is, not professionals. It is 100% about the average user.

[NEW-START]

MySpace is the worst social network out at the moment, so I don't see that happening. They are nothing compared to Facebook, Bebo, Netlog and Virb. The only reason their popular is because they were first. Other than that they're crap.

The reason they are popular is because they're successful, and more successful than you'll ever be.

Time for some market research m'dear! ;)

[Klydo]

The reason they are popular is because they're successful, and more successful than you'll ever be.

Time for some market research m'dear! ;)
You didn't understand the post at all I take it. They're only popular because they were first ones to make the social network "thing". Facebook have already caught up with them even though it's relatively new compared to MySpace, which shows MySpace doesn't have the features or user friendliness that others do. MS will soon be the under dog unless they realise their errors and start making an improvement to their site's layout.

@Ryan; it's not all about the average user since the majority of them have no direct access to large publishing organizations. Yes they can invite friends and so on but they can't write a piece which will be sold nationwide. Where as professionals can, such as writers from WebDesigner and .Net. If we can impress them then we can be mentioned in their magazines, which at least will gain us respect over MySpace if we had the feature first.

[kk.]

MySpace is the worst social network out at the moment, so I don't see that happening. They are nothing compared to Facebook, Bebo, Netlog and Virb. The only reason their popular is because they were first. Other than that they're crap.

@Simon; The main reason is if we're ever mentioned in reviews by professionals they'll know. It's not all about the average user.
The good thing about myspace is that you can customize the hell out of it and the control panel. they have a profile editor and their introducing new features. just because they dont have applications doesnt meant they wont bring them out or that theyre bad

[RedCrisps]

The only reason I dislike MySpace is because its like REALLY hard to customize your profile.

[Klydo]

The only reason I dislike MySpace is because its like REALLY hard to customize your profile.
With Klydo you can edit everything in real simplicity. You can either use a basic editor which allows you to edit colours, border widths and so on. Then there is our advanced editor which allows you to edit HTML and CSS directly. Then you can select from pre-made layouts by staff and other members. So you can customize your Klydo profile as much or as little as you want :P

[Hayd93]

With Klydo you can edit everything in real simplicity. You can either use a basic editor which allows you to edit colours, border widths and so on. Then there is our advanced editor which allows you to edit HTML and CSS directly. Then you can select from pre-made layouts by staff and other members. So you can customize your Klydo profile as much or as little as you want :P

so basicly you have bebo and myspace built into 1 and more.The myspace that you can do html and css editing and bebo premade skins ect.Sounds great good luck from me

[kk.]

yeh but although you ahve a basic editor, so does myspace.
you can rotate your boxes, change colours, rearrange, hide things etc you can also use editors outside of myspace to customize and comes with free designs.

im not slating klydo, i hope it works out for you

[Blob]

Do a thing, like the myspace layout creators, that when you do it, instead of getting the HTML, get a special code, like LSJDSD29382371 and then it auto registers that into it so the user can then type that code into the site and get the template :)

[Bojangles]

Don't say myspace is crap when your not even in their league. Actually I think you will find myspace is one of the best social networks around. Mostly adults sign up to facebook due to the "mature" interface. Myspace however attracts more of the teenage generation due to music and so on. Bebo attracts more bands than most. Don't know about the other SN's but I can assure you.. Klydo will NEVER get as big as one of them 3 I just named due to only 2 people running it. Myspace, bebo, facebook all have offices with 100's of people working for them round the globe, you have 1 in scotland and 1 in america.

Of course klydo will attract people but not hundreds of thousands of users such as most SN's. Sorry if you feel different but it's the truth.

[Dentafrice]

Don't say myspace is crap when your not even in their league. Actually I think you will find myspace is one of the best social networks around. Mostly adults sign up to facebook due to the "mature" interface. Myspace however attracts more of the teenage generation due to music and so on. Bebo attracts more bands than most. Don't know about the other SN's but I can assure you.. Klydo will NEVER get as big as one of them 3 I just named due to only 2 people running it. Myspace, bebo, facebook all have offices with 100's of people working for them round the globe, you have 1 in scotland and 1 in america.

Of course klydo will attract people but not hundreds of thousands of users such as most SN's. Sorry if you feel different but it's the truth.

That is your opinion, and your opinion only, so quit pretending it is a fact.

It may be the truth in your head, and you are really starting to get on my nerves :|.

Teenagers sign up to MySpace because it is the most advertised SN site, and the easiest to use (in their opinion), as most, of the users of MySpace do not want to or feel the need to develop applications such as Facebook.

They also don't want to do much work in editing their profile, and just want to meet people.

MySpace started out with two individuals who went to UCLA, Tom and Chris DeWolfel.

They had a relatively small staff network until News Corp bought them.

We have been working for about a month, duh we are not going to have 62 offices and 984654 network staff working.

Quit acting like you know what you are talking about, its getting on everyone's nerves. If you don't want to participate in the discussion with at least some knowledge of the subject, don't.

[Bojangles]

That is your opinion, and your opinion only, so quit pretending it is a fact.

It may be the truth in your head, and you are really starting to get on my nerves :|.

Teenagers sign up to MySpace because it is the most advertised SN site, and the easiest to use (in their opinion), as most, of the users of MySpace do not want to or feel the need to develop applications such as Facebook.

They also don't want to do much work in editing their profile, and just want to meet people.

MySpace started out with two individuals who went to UCLA, Tom and Chris DeWolfel.

They had a relatively small staff network until News Corp bought them.

We have been working for about a month, duh we are not going to have 62 offices and 984654 network staff working.

Quit acting like you know what you are talking about, its getting on everyone's nerves. If you don't want to participate in the discussion with at least some knowledge of the subject, don't.
Your getting on my nerves by thinking your going to be the biggest thing since the earth was made. Fact is you've made a site with a system, your not over the hurdles yet, you said you had 30% done. What if you and greg fall out? Server costs? Advertisment costs? You have the funds to pay for that do you? Ahh but Tom and Chris know a hell of alot more than you and greg. Indeed your a good coder but your starting to get a bit bigheaded, your probably the best on this forum. This forum is nothing to the coding world so pop the bubble contained around your big head.

[iTech]

I have to agree with Bojangles, but not the fact you won't get as succesful.
Just, that these huge networks, have large servers, over America, Europe etc.
You have 2, I doubt even servers. (I may be wrong) I, do think, with more staff, and primary data resources you have a bigger chance of competing.

Good luck. :)

[Bojangles]

I didn't say they won't get big, I just stated they won't get as big as myspace, bebo, facebook.

[RedCrisps]

Also, YouTube started out as a site where a mate and some friends could upload there videos, now they have been bought by google and are a massive video hosting site.

Now, moving onwards. All of these site have been a sucess by finding a hole in the internet market. EG, MySpace was one of the first SN sites so was YouTube. So IMO you need to find that hole and grab it

[Bojangles]

If it's as big as calebs head then Klydo has a good chance.

[Dentafrice]

Your getting on my nerves by thinking your going to be the biggest thing since the earth was made. Fact is you've made a site with a system, your not over the hurdles yet, you said you had 30% done. What if you and greg fall out? Server costs? Advertisment costs? You have the funds to pay for that do you? Ahh but Tom and Chris know a hell of alot more than you and greg. Indeed your a good coder but your starting to get a bit bigheaded, your probably the best on this forum. This forum is nothing to the coding world so pop the bubble contained around your big head.

I never said that we were the next big thing, so quit putting words in my mouth.

I have made a site, and the system, no we are not over the hurdles, and the hurdles are just beginning.

If you don't like the site, or the way things are going, again, quit talking about it.

I'm "bigheaded", where do you get this? I never said this was going to be the best, quit putting words in my mouth.


I didn't say they won't get big, I just stated they won't get as big as myspace, bebo, facebook.

You don't know that, at all. That is your opinion, not a fact.


I have to agree with Bojangles, but not the fact you won't get as succesful.
Just, that these huge networks, have large servers, over America, Europe etc.
You have 2, I doubt even servers. (I may be wrong) I, do think, with more staff, and primary data resources you have a bigger chance of competing.

Good luck. :)

The site isn't even public yet, why would we need more then one server at all?

MySpace doesn't have more servers then America or Europe, they aren't that big.

Google has more servers then most people, and it doesn't matter how many they have, it is how powerful they are.

It has been a month, we don't need, 300 servers, we don't have a big load.


Also, YouTube started out as a site where a mate and some friends could upload there videos, now they have been bought by google and are a massive video hosting site.

Now, moving onwards. All of these site have been a sucess by finding a hole in the internet market. EG, MySpace was one of the first SN sites so was YouTube. So IMO you need to find that hole and grab it

Which is what we are trying to do, give it time :) Not a month.


If it's as big as calebs head then Klydo has a good chance.My head can be as big as it ******* wants to be, and your opinion isn't going to change it, I believe in myself and my work, and I do believe it will go far.

You are starting to piss me off, when I don't think you could code anything near Klydo, or anything for that matter. Oh, and please.. don't beg me for help on MSN anymore ;)

[Hypertext]

Why were you looking at an imageshack picture I showed you weeks ago :S Or old screenies? :P

[Bojangles]

Stop dreaming, get a grip. I can code, not as good as you but I can code..

Now now.. no need to get nasty about it, did I touch a nerve? Beg you on msn? I just asked for help with housekeeping if thats what you americans think begging is then you have high hopes for the future.

[Hypertext]

Caleb I believe in myself, but you always put me down =/

[Dentafrice]

Why were you looking at an imageshack picture I showed you weeks ago :S Or old screenies? :P
Yes them were older.


Caleb I believe in myself, but you always put me down =/

Learn to get over it, criticism is always going to be there, just get pissed and go on about things.

[Klydo]

Neither of us said Klydo was going to be bigger than MySpace, Facebook or Bebo. We know we're never going to be as big as MySpace or Facebook but we have got a chance of competing for positions with places such as Bebo. Bebo isn't as big as it's made out to be, it's small than a lot of sites I've never even heard of, so our target is to get to the level Bebo is at. Bebo is the 119th most popular site in the world, now that compared to the likes of MySpace and Facebook is terrible. Both MS and FB are in the top 10 of the global 500, so we don't plan on getting anywhere near that as it's just no realistic. However we see a LOT of social networks these days getting into the top 2,000 even when they're not offering anything special other than "a new social network". Where as we've been planning, developing and implementing new ideas which can't be found elsewhere. This gives us a much greater chance of getting into the top 2,000 than any that are there at the moment.

We know how we're going to get there and are more than willing to put in the time to do it. The fact I left college to take on the project shows the determination we have and the faith I have personally in the project. This isn't just another site that people think they can make to be the next best thing, it's a targetted and planned project which we are going to work on until we achieve what we've aimed for. Once we've got it that's when we can start to worry about the big boys such as MySpace, Facebook, Orkut and Hi5. Until then we simply wish to compete with the smaller names and eventually Bebo. This alone will take at least 3 to 4 years but we will do it.

[Hypertext]

P.S. I love famfamfam icons too. They save aloooooooottttt of money.

Edit: Leaving college.. *..school dropout* no? Ok no sing-n-dance. Good luck.

Edited by Kaotix12 (Forum Moderator): Please don't post pointlessly.

[iTech]

Yes them were older.



Learn to get over it, criticism is always going to be there, just get pissed and go on about things.

No, you're not givin criticism. You're just trying to make sure, YOU ARE THE BEST.

You used to be so nice :l

[Dentafrice]

No, you're not givin criticism. You're just trying to make sure, YOU ARE THE BEST.

You used to be so nice :l

Again I say, where the **** do I say I am the best in this thread?

[Hypertext]

Oh totally constructive caleb:


I would love to see you attempt, to code something as stable as Klydo, with what I have seen of yours, you won't get past the first stage

Who cares, he gets an admin account on a social networking site that has very "beginner" coding, that is going to explode on server resources, and isn't going to make it.

And how does he know that it is going to be a "successful" social network? With coding like Reconix's, it is going to be nothing but a space on the web that sits their with a tiny user fanbase.


Edit: I see lots of arguing! Actually I see none.

[Klydo]

P.S. I love famfamfam icons too. They save aloooooooottttt of money.

Edit: Leaving college.. *..school dropout* no? Ok no sing-n-dance. Good luck.
Think you'll find some of the largest organisations in the world use FAMFAMFAM icons, this includes some of the biggest social networks. There is no point spending hours on making icons when you can get amazing ones from FFF. So if that was a "dig" at the fact we use free icons then go dig at IBM and all the rest.

Also I'm not a school dropout, I done 13 years of school which is the most possible in Scotland. I then spent 6 months at college when I started Klydo with Caleb and noticed that it was a lot more than just another project.

[iTech]

Again I say, where the **** do I say I am the best in this thread?

You imply it.

[Invent]

Bebo is the 119th most popular site in the world

You really think you're in the same league as that? Wow...

[Dentafrice]

Oh totally constructive caleb:




Edit: I see lots of arguing! Actually I see none.
No, I am not constructive, I never said constructive criticism, I just said criticism.

Get over it, I told you it wasn't going to work. I place my money on it, and I know I won't loose it.

Prove me wrong.

[Klydo]

You really think you're in the same league as that? Wow...
No don't quote little bits of posts, I said we hope to target that area in 3 to 4 years. I didn't say "we are as big as Bebo" as then we'd already be there which we're not. So don't make out as if I'm saying we're bigger than them.

[Hypertext]

@Greg: I was complementing you choice, you pick an argument with EVERYTHING!

@Dentafrice: Watch me

@Dentafriceagain: As popular as bebo... "Prove me wrong.".

[Dentafrice]

@Greg: I was complementing you choice, you pick an argument with EVERYTHING!

@Dentafrice: Watch me

@Dentafriceagain: As popular as bebo... "Prove me wrong.".
@ Reconix: I'll watch, and get bored at the failure.
@ Reconixagain: I never posted that, so don't aim that at me. ;)

[Invent]

Sorry, I missread your post, so let me change mine:

You really think you're going to be in the same league as that? Wow...
Hundreds of custom SNs are made all the time, all as good/bad as yours.

I do wish you guys luck, but from what I'm seeing I think you're hoping a little too high at the moment.

[Klydo]

Sorry, I missread your post, so let me change mine:

You really think you're going to be in the same league as that? Wow...
Hundreds of custom SNs are made all the time, all as good/bad as yours.

I do wish you guys luck, but from what I'm seeing I think you're hoping a little too high at the moment.
Thousands of free pre-made social networks make it into the thousands, so I don't see how something which has been custom built to user suggestions wouldn't make it into the same league as them at least.

Simon I don't understand why you're having a dig at us for saying we want to achieve something in the future. I would understand if we said we wanted to be as popular as them as soon as we open but it's not realisitic. Yes, of course we'd love that instantly popularity for our site but we have to think realisitically and we're aiming to produce a site which starts to at the very least challenge Bebo by 4 years of it's time online. I don't see why that should be such as problem for you when it's neither offending or being over the top.

[Invent]

I guess the way Caleb was talking to Reconix sort of made me loose a bit of respect in the site/in Caleb.

[Dentafrice]

I guess the way Caleb was talking to Reconix sort of made me loose a bit of respect in the site/in Caleb.
Simon, there is more then what you see by that post. I don't think you know the whole story ;)

[sgraham]

Good luck.

[Dentafrice]

Good luck.
Thanks :)

[Klydo]

I was just checking up on Facebook to see how new it was and from what I can see it was started around mid 2005. That means in under 3 years it's became one of the top 10 websites in the world and is worth $15 billion. So it's not impossible for Klydo to get somewhere in 3 to 4 years. It's hard and we won't have instant success but we're willing to work for it.

[PriceTags]

I never come in this forum, but I saw this thread and I'm looking forward to Klydo, so as a user who has no idea how to make any of this stuff work and as a heavy MySpace and Bebo user here are some things I'd quite fancy:
Customiseable personal homepage (the one when you log in)(as in pick which info goes on there and change colour scheme BBC style)
Some widgets I'd like would be a shoutbox/chat of some kind, a ratings system, a place to do some doodles, some quizzes (with some preset questions - like Bebo in the olden days), a miniblog (a bit like Twitter)
Plus, this is an absolute must imo, being able to set yourself to private and being unable to go on the random bar

[Jme]

To be honest, I really don't see how Klydo can't become as popular as bebo, myspace, virb and the rest. If people said to Tom or whatever the hell his name is before he made myspace, and he quit, we wouldn't have the site we have today one of the most visited sites in the world. Caleb is a very able coder and if they invest enough in advertising/marketing, I can see it becoming quite big. I can bet no-one expected myspace to take off but now the owners are multi-millionaires.

[Hypertext]

Good luck to Klydo..: miniblog ooh.

[Rafiki]

good luck with it (:

[Jamesy]

I love it, I prefer facebook to bebo for the simplicity but this seems to have that - and customisability. And the nice colour scheme wins it for me.

Good luck caleb - I'll most likely join when you release :)

[Bojangles]

Do you even know how much work them people put into their sites? More than you will ever know. They didn't just decide one day they will build a system, they contacted companies for sponsors so on so fourth.

I'm not saying Klydo doesn't have a chance in the near future but with both of your current attitudes I can't see it going well. You need to learn to take user feedback and stop hitting back at every not so pleasent comment afterall it's how you learn is it not?

[Jamesy]

Do you even know how much work them people put into their sites? More than you will ever know. They didn't just decide one day they will build a system, they contacted companies for sponsors so on so fourth.

I'm not saying Klydo doesn't have a chance in the near future but with both of your current attitudes I can't see it going well. You need to learn to take user feedback and stop hitting back at every not so pleasent comment afterall it's how you learn is it not?


from what they've said they've been planning it for a while and seem to be sticking to a plan now.

Google was started in a garage by two friends if I remember correctly and all your feedback has been saying how they are going to fail and there personal flaws - not the site.

[[Oli]]

from what they've said they've been planning it for a while and seem to be sticking to a plan now.

Google was started in a garage by two friends if I remember correctly and all your feedback has been saying how they are going to fail and there personal flaws - not the site.

Alot of things started that way.. even Bill Gates ^^ IBM contacted him saying they needed a software to run on their new PC's, so Gates just went to his friend who had made a operating system, bought it over, named it ms-dos and sold it to IBM with an aggreement that he gets xx % on each sale.

Same as.. do you guys know "counter-strike" ? the shootergame ? That was made in a basement by two students.

Same as.. Youtube, made by two teenagers becouse they wanted to share their own videos to eachother in an easy way, it became popular and now google bought it over

Alot of ideas start by only a few people with an idea,
Basicly there has to be at least one guy with an idea becouse otherwise these things would have never been invented.

[Bojangles]

from what they've said they've been planning it for a while and seem to be sticking to a plan now.

Google was started in a garage by two friends if I remember correctly and all your feedback has been saying how they are going to fail and there personal flaws - not the site.
Read back, I have given great feedback on the site. But before all that both of them need to learn how to take feedback on their attitude toward it aswell. They can't run in with an idea, build a system and say 4 years time we hope to give bebo something to think about.. As Redscrisps stated in this thread, yes ALOT of sites were formed by a number of people coming up with a revolutionary idea BUT they found a gap in the online market. I would like to know how Klydo will find this gap if there is one?

[Dentafrice]

Read back, I have given great feedback on the site. But before all that both of them need to learn how to take feedback on their attitude toward it aswell. They can't run in with an idea, build a system and say 4 years time we hope to give bebo something to think about.. As Redscrisps stated in this thread, yes ALOT of sites were formed by a number of people coming up with a revolutionary idea BUT they found a gap in the online market. I would like to know how Klydo will find this gap if there is one?
You've given nothing.

Please do not continue to post.

[Klydo]

Luke you can't have been paying attention, as we're bringing new ideas to the table which means we will be hitting a hole in the market. We know it's a challenge and again you can't of been reading. I've said numerous times it will be hard and will take a long time to even get a hint of success but we're willing to work for it. So your post was entirely pointless unless you've missed out some posts of mine. I can't see any "unpleasent" replies to any feedback I've been giving. The only thing I can see is when I have to repeat an answer due to people simply miss-reading or missing out a post that's all.

So please Luke, don't just post when you have no reason. We know what it's all about, we've set realisitc targets and have the knowledge we need to get the site up and running. After that it's all about learning and improving, that's how all the big sites got to where they are now.

[Swearwolf]

good luck mr greg and mr caleb

[Bojangles]

You've given nothing.

Please do not continue to post.
Is one of your key skills not knowing how to read then?


Luke you can't have been paying attention, as we're bringing new ideas to the table which means we will be hitting a hole in the market. We know it's a challenge and again you can't of been reading. I've said numerous times it will be hard and will take a long time to even get a hint of success but we're willing to work for it. So your post was entirely pointless unless you've missed out some posts of mine. I can't see any "unpleasent" replies to any feedback I've been giving. The only thing I can see is when I have to repeat an answer due to people simply miss-reading or missing out a post that's all.

So please Luke, don't just post when you have no reason. We know what it's all about, we've set realisitc targets and have the knowledge we need to get the site up and running. After that it's all about learning and improving, that's how all the big sites got to where they are now.
Social networking is social networking.. If there was another big idea I'm sure other companies would have grasped it with open arms.

For one posting about your site on habbox doesn't tell me your going to be big.

[Klydo]

Not everything gets done by big companies it simply having the idea. You can be the smartest guy alive, have the biggest development team but unless you have someone with the basic idea then it's not going to happen. So just because they're big companies doesn't mean they're first to the idea. Otherwise Dragon's Den wouldn't exsit :P

[Bojangles]

So you believe the "idea" you have is going to make you one of the best SN's around do you?

[Klydo]

So you believe the "idea" you have is going to make you one of the best SN's around do you?
No once again putting words in my mouth. We've set a target to get to the level Bebo is at the moment in 4 years time. We know we will never get into the top 10 or even 50 as it's not realistic anymore. However with our new idea we hope to get the site at least into the hundreds of the global and into the top 100 UK by 2012. To us that's a very reasonable target and we are going to put the work in to do so. This means sleepless nights and probably quite a few doctors appointments from stress but we'll get there :P

Klydo.com was at 800,000 before we started the move to our new VPS so already it has the potential. I've seen many sites which are already up and running who are in the millions.

[mapowell1234]

I think it will be successful, you just need to give it time. We have only had picture previews and not a demo, so how can anyone say it will fail. I love the skin and I like the look of the system. I am sick of how people say that projects will fail, you never know until months even years after the release.

Good Luck to Caleb and Greg on this project

All the best,
Mark Powell

[RYANNNNN]

Alexa isn't even accurate

[Klydo]

I think it will be successful, you just need to give it time. We have only had picture previews and not a demo, so how can anyone say it will fail. I love the skin and I like the look of the system. I am sick of how people say that projects will fail, you never know until months even years after the release.

Good Luck to Caleb and Greg on this project

All the best,
Mark Powell
Thank you :D

[NEW-START]

I think it will be successful, you just need to give it time. We have only had picture previews and not a demo, so how can anyone say it will fail. I love the skin and I like the look of the system. I am sick of how people say that projects will fail, you never know until months even years after the release.

Good Luck to Caleb and Greg on this project

All the best,
Mark Powell

If people say that it ''will fail'', they do indeed have reasons!

Personally, I'd say "to the market... with the clipboards"!

[Bojangles]

Following from new-start's post, I hope this isn't the only market research your doing/done?

[Nick.]

Well, I have good faith in this project. Dentafrice is a very talented web designer & coder. Also, you always hear things on the news about teenagers (13-21) creating websites which kick off into big things.

Good luck Dentafrice! :)

[Klydo]

Well, I have good faith in this project. Dentafrice is a very talented web designer & coder. Also, you always hear things on the news about teenagers (13-21) creating websites which kick off into big things.

Good luck Dentafrice! :)
Excuse me, I'm the designer not Caleb :P

[Nick.]

Excuse me, I'm the designer not Caleb :P
Well Caleb is good with coding you're good with designing.

[Dentafrice]

Thanks Nick! :)

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The website is being moved to the new VPS shortly, the nameservers are still propagating after being created last night.

This VPS will server as the BETA/Development server as well as hosting our SVN. I believe that hosting Klydo on a VPS will give us more control as well as faster speeds then on shared hosting.

I have had people express interest in working for Klydo, thats great!

If you would like to volunteer with Klydo, (at the moment payment is not an option due to budget issues), please follow the directions below.

At the moment the following are not needed:
Coders/System Programmers
Graphics Staff (we do need skin designers though.)

In the future we may need coders to help develop modules for the system. If you would like to get your name in, please follow the directions below.

If you would like to apply for any position, not BETA tester, please drop an e-mail to: [email protected] with a link/attachment of your CV/Resume!

Thanks :)

[Klydo]

Well Caleb is good with coding you're good with designing.
Thank you :P

[Bojangles]

Thanks Nick! :)

----------

The website is being moved to the new VPS shortly, the nameservers are still propagating after being created last night.

This VPS will server as the BETA/Development server as well as hosting our SVN. I believe that hosting Klydo on a VPS will give us more control as well as faster speeds then on shared hosting.

I have had people express interest in working for Klydo, thats great!

If you would like to volunteer with Klydo, (at the moment payment is not an option due to budget issues), please follow the directions below.

At the moment the following are not needed:
Coders/System Programmers
Graphics Staff (we do need skin designers though.)

In the future we may need coders to help develop modules for the system. If you would like to get your name in, please follow the directions below.

If you would like to apply for any position, not BETA tester, please drop an e-mail to: [email protected] with a link/attachment of your CV/Resume!

Thanks :)
See now your showing signs of success by getting some staff!

[Klydo]

See now your showing signs of success by getting some staff!
I don't understand how taking on staff shows more success than actually having the product? You confuse me sometimes Luke :P

[Bojangles]

I don't understand how taking on staff shows more success than actually having the product? You confuse me sometimes Luke :P
Well greggy if you only have 2 people running one social network it's not going to work out for you in the long run is it?

Now hiring some staff to help you with the site is a step further for your success in the long run!

1+1=2!

[Klydo]

Well greggy if you only have 2 people running one social network it's not going to work out for you in the long run is it?

Now hiring some staff to help you with the site is a step further for your success in the long run!

1+1=2!

Not always, more staff can cause problems with managing them and having choirs for them all to do. So since we're hiring staff I think we'll keep the amount to a minimum so we're not having staff who have nothing to do because then it's just embarrassing and over hiring.

[Bojangles]

Not always, more staff can cause problems with managing them and having choirs for them all to do. So since we're hiring staff I think we'll keep the amount to a minimum so we're not having staff who have nothing to do because then it's just embarrassing and over hiring.
What I was saying was hiring SOME staff now will help you and caleb concentrate on the more important things like the system. Yes, hiring too much staff and not having much for them to do will be embarrassing for you.

[Klydo]

Okay myself and Caleb have discussed which area we'll be looking for staff and here's the list;


Marketing
Advertising
System Technician
Public Relations
Moderation
Skin Production
Planning

[timROGERS]

I've sent in my job application ;)

[Jamesy]

I've sent in my job application ;)

where do you apply to? Pm caleb/klydo?

[Dentafrice]

where do you apply to? Pm caleb/klydo?
Check out the read in website staff.

[QuickScriptz]

Okay myself and Caleb have discussed which area we'll be looking for staff and here's the list;


Marketing
Advertising
System Technician
Public Relations
Moderation
Skin Production
Planning

So no real offense intended here but why do you need to hire all these staff members if you haven't even fully developed the system/began BETA testing yet? Secondly, until your site actually grows to a reasonable size, why do you even need people in all these different positions? This will be especially true if your social network grows slowly (which frankly, I think it will unless it offers something unique that no other more established social networking site does) - believe me when I say that staff with nothing to do, might as well not be staff at all....

Oh, and once again, no offense intended, but just tell me why (aside from you making money/running & owning a social network) are you doing this and what do you see as the main thing that will set apart your social network from the masses of others already out there?

[Klydo]

So no real offense intended here but why do you need to hire all these staff members if you haven't even fully developed the system/began BETA testing yet? Secondly, until your site actually grows to a reasonable size, why do you even need people in all these different positions? This will be especially true if your social network grows slowly (which frankly, I think it will unless it offers something unique that no other more established social networking site does) - believe me when I say that staff with nothing to do, might as well not be staff at all....

Oh, and once again, no offense intended, but just tell me why (aside from you making money/running & owning a social network) are you doing this and what do you see as the main thing that will set apart your social network from the masses of others already out there?
We are not taking on staff until we need them. Taking applications now allows us to estimate the interest in each department as well as get a large amount of applicants to choose from once we do need the staff. We won't be taking on things such as Advertising staff until we're nearing or even open. However we will take on some staff prior to the opening, which will allow them to be ready and learn the site before we actually launch. Even though the site won't be popular we will still need staff to help use work on things which myself or Caleb haven't got the time for.

We're also launching a social network as a personal challenge and to improve upon the current selection of sites. We want to offer a site which gives people the features they have been longing for on places such as MySpace. Which due to their size they can not implement new features easily. Where as since we're new and still in developing we can get all the features people want then open. In turn this means we're satisfying our visitors by giving them exactly what they want. First of which is our multiple skinning abilities as the argument over which SN is best usually boils down to how you can change the design of your profile. So we've decided to fling MySpace and Bebo together to make a skinning system to beat them all. Allow people to radically change with HTML/CSS, then for the less experienced some simple HEX codes and selections from drop downs. Then for those who don't wish for their own personal skin can use one from our gallery which people with more advanced abilities can add too as well. We obviously can't survive on just one feature which improves upon the current as not everyone is out for a nice skin. So we're working on other plans which can't be disclosed yet but once we have them completed on the system we might screenshot some in action and post for your opinions. Like I said we want to make this site entirely user suggestion based but as well as that improve the visitors as an internet user by informing them about new technologies.